Help with C14

[thin ermine]

Hi guys, first of all i want to Say thanks to everyone help me with c13, special thanks to @upbeat pendant and @bitter latch , they always present for My questions.

Now i need help to Beat c14, i gonna post all My ships and gear. If i should wait to beat c14 until i get a pr o certain dev level i can wait, but i need to know in what to work.

I need help with a fleet mob and a fleet boss and the gear.

[bitter latch]

okay fine

[desert salmon]

eugh

looks like you could make a pretty standard fleet

[thin ermine]

If i should Buy some ship no problem too

[desert salmon]

is agir at least d25? where is anchorage?

because of jervis, agir, musashi, and FdG, i think you'll be able to clear relatively ok

[desert salmon]

do you know how to fleetbuild?

mmm, boss fleet is difficult

[thin ermine]

Ehhh no, luo make my team for c13

[bitter latch]

I don't think they're looking to clear RN

I'd honestly give it a month or two

get some ships lvled up and developed

[thin ermine]

Yeah, when luo make my team for c13 it took me like 2 months to get the luo indicatioms

So, if u give the teams and the gear i could start preparing now the roadmap

[bitter latch]

Aquila should also be rerunning in a month or two so that'll make life easier

[desert salmon]

hmm

[thin ermine]

Aquila is bis ?

[desert salmon]

mainly just need agir and ancho up to speed

ye

[thin ermine]

And Aquila is for BOSS fleet ?

[desert salmon]

strong either

aquila is for RNG backline protection

[bitter latch]

yeah I prefer her on mob cause two healers for leeway

[desert salmon]

with how I am thinking, need her on mob

cos musashi can carry boss

musashi cant carry weak vang tho

[thin ermine]

So what are the fleets should i make ?

[desert salmon]

pls learna little fleet building

[thin ermine]

Anco agir Aquila ?

[desert salmon]

ch14 is like ch 11

[bitter latch]

but on steroids

[upbeat pendant]

My rotator cuff is killing me

Lets see

[desert salmon]

something like friedrich shinano unicorn jervis suzutsuki sandy
musashi vanguard yorktown2 agir heinrich ancho

assuming you complete agir and ancho catchups

should be gud

[upbeat pendant]

Ye

[bitter latch]

Musashi also needs to be MLB

[desert salmon]

is

[bitter latch]

I keep getting threads mixed up lamo

[desert salmon]

sometimes i host like 4 ch14 threads :yep:

[bitter latch]

oh they had a lvl 17 spare Musashi that's why

[thin ermine]

So:
BOSS fleet: FDG, shinano, Unicorn, jervis , susutsuki and Sandy
Moobfleet: musashi, vanny, YT2, ancho, agir, henrish

[upbeat pendant]

Kind of cursed pick but hammann 2 is a gud replacement for sandy if you forego frontline dps for ara

[desert salmon]

agir heinrich ancho

[desert salmon]

hamman cant survive

no volga aquila klaudia

[upbeat pendant]

Oh right it isnt 2 healer mb

[bitter latch]

no, other way around

[thin ermine]

So Sandy gonna go to c14? I would never imagine Sandy here

[desert salmon]

unicorn is always a mobber

sandy is about the samey slot as wakatsuki

it's not so surprising

[upbeat pendant]

Sandy can asw, aa, and ok dmg

[desert salmon]

she's like a T1 DD without a need for AA

[upbeat pendant]

W14 aa check is kind of brutal

[desert salmon]

bbv aa check is rly high actually

[upbeat pendant]

But dont run w13 setups there

[desert salmon]

bbv chibis are so

[thin ermine]

But if shimakaze got a rerun this Month should i replace Sandy for her ?

[desert salmon]

shima isnt next rerun

shima would also rather replace heinrich in boss fleet

[thin ermine]

And who is the better versión of Sandy ?

[desert salmon]

did you miss yuudachi's retro?

[upbeat pendant]

Oh and dont bother lethal 3 star

[desert salmon]

no one significant in your dock

[upbeat pendant]

You dun have 2 healer to have a good chance to do it on auto

[thin ermine]

An chan maybe ?

[desert salmon]

I 3* with richi compared to fdg

[upbeat pendant]

You can reset

And subs

[thin ermine]

Oooh, so My ships are not enough to 3 stars

[upbeat pendant]

Not easily

[desert salmon]

not enough to keep your sanity anyways

[upbeat pendant]

You can defo do it

With resets

[desert salmon]

infinite resets

[thin ermine]

What mean with reset ?

[upbeat pendant]

But yk, its mostly a waste of oil and sanity

[upbeat pendant]

When you die, quit and try again

[thin ermine]

Damn

[upbeat pendant]

Over and over

[thin ermine]

And what ship can prevent to doing that ?

[desert salmon]

aquila

[upbeat pendant]

Having aquila

[desert salmon]

aquila and some other niche ships

well not niche

[upbeat pendant]

Ideally both aquila and volga

[desert salmon]

difficult to obtain like kazagumo brest

[thin ermine]

Where i can find Aquila and volha ?

[upbeat pendant]

Then on frontline use something like cb, ARA, plymouth

Or soemthing equally op

[thin ermine]

Playmonth can be used at dev 20 in c14?

[desert salmon]

no

[upbeat pendant]

No

[desert salmon]

might be a detriment at d25 even

mmm, maybe not

probably even

[bitter latch]

what season are you focussing anyway?

[thin ermine]

Well... So this is going to be My Road map:

1. get agir dev 30
2. get ancho dev 30
3. get YT2 to 125
4. get Aquila in next rerun

[desert salmon]

agir d25 is ok

[upbeat pendant]

Well you dont need to lethal 3 star

Just keep in mind

[bitter latch]

so is Dev 25 Anchovy TBH

[desert salmon]

i dont think he can even boss, luo

[upbeat pendant]

Lethal 3 star is mostly for flexing

[desert salmon]

gud

focus ancho instead of haku

do haku later

[upbeat pendant]

Musashi with both rudder and extinguisher not enough?

[bitter latch]

and then Agir after Anchovy

[desert salmon]

his vang

is squishy

d20 agir no ancho

[upbeat pendant]

Oh ya defo agir and anxho to 25 first

[thin ermine]

Do u have agir at dev 30?

Is that really a dofference ?

[upbeat pendant]

Aquila for lethal 3 star is optional

[bitter latch]

no Dev 25 is fine

[desert salmon]

25 to 30 isnt big difference

for 14

[upbeat pendant]

Ofc i have her on dev30

But

Dev25 to 30 is only dps diff

[desert salmon]

i used her from d15 through d30

[thin ermine]

And if i get NJ in next rerun, should i use in c14?

[desert salmon]

i dont think she fits

given current URs

[bitter latch]

she doesn't

[thin ermine]

So, My main fleets are very good. My problem is My vanguard

[upbeat pendant]

I have agir dev30 since like november-december 2021

[thin ermine]

But My vanguard is Bad for jervis right ?

What ship can replace jervis

[upbeat pendant]

Aquila is next rerun

Then nj is the rerun after that

[desert salmon]

no one in your dock

jervis is a top tier mob tank

even without volga aquila

[upbeat pendant]

Cbs

[thin ermine]

And this ship can be replace ? I feel like is really Bad

[desert salmon]

cos ur gear is bad

[upbeat pendant]

Only cbs can replace jervis for mobbing in your setup

Your gear is horrible ye

[bitter latch]

get her a better Main Gun

and some Gold Quad magnetic torps

[upbeat pendant]

W14 absolutely require top tier equipments

[thin ermine]

That was the gear that luo told me for c13

[desert salmon]

how are you maintaining coins with FdG coining and others?

are you not spending coins on research?

[upbeat pendant]

Well just know that w14 isnt easy even with fully fucking decked top tier staggered equips

[thin ermine]

I'm soending money on FDG fate sim

[upbeat pendant]

So no

I wont even attempt w14 until i have all the best equip that isnt unreasonable

[desert salmon]

you need to consolidate your gear with gearlab

cant just laze by with transitional

[thin ermine]

And yatsen is not good here ?

[desert salmon]

she is, but jervis was leveled

[upbeat pendant]

Oh yat sen, yes shes good, but jervis

jervis can heal

And ehp and dmg is not that far apart for 1 healer

[desert salmon]

jervis heal across like 14 nodes is like 70% hp

[thin ermine]

And if u check My gear, what is the next equip should i make in gear lab ?

[desert salmon]

check /gearlab in #bot-spam

/gearlab doesnt work in threads

[thin ermine]

I already make a wyvern and a tenrai

[desert salmon]

read the command

[upbeat pendant]

Read the command

[thin ermine]

/gearlab

[upbeat pendant]

Wyvern actually isnt top prio

[desert salmon]

do u read every three lines?

[upbeat pendant]

Go to #bot-spam and type the command there

[desert salmon]

this why

[thin ermine]

Yeah the problem is too nlurry

[desert salmon]

zoom

[upbeat pendant]

Click open original

[upbeat pendant]

Click top right corner

[thin ermine]

Ohh let me check

Now bot spam channel dissapear

[upbeat pendant]

Restart your discord

[upbeat pendant]

Click on the expand button

[thin ermine]

well

i check the /gearlab guide

and i already have all of the priority gear there

So idk what to craft next

[desert salmon]

you dont

cos you dont have the DD guns from the guide

[thin ermine]

oooh i dont use DD's

[desert salmon]

just recommended suzut and sandy, who uses dd guns

[thin ermine]

but i have it

i have that

[desert salmon]

hmm

[desert salmon]

consolidate your gear then

[upbeat pendant]

So what it means is to craft multiple copies of it

1 is not nearly enough

Cuz you use like what, 3 dds minimum

And more ships that can use dd guns

[thin ermine]

And what about musashi, it's good or can be improved ?

[upbeat pendant]

This is fine

[thin ermine]

The Main gun should be the rainbow ?

[upbeat pendant]

No the rainbow gun is trash

460 is absolutely garbage on w14

[thin ermine]

the prototype twin 457 rainbow is top in the guide D:

[upbeat pendant]

Use it on fdg

And use it on vanguard

[thin ermine]

So i need to craft 2 of that

should be that my next prio

[upbeat pendant]

You dont need to

But it helps

[thin ermine]

do u remember, you say me something about we build vanny with some purple gear, because helena. Now should i remove the purple gear because helena is not in the party?

[desert salmon]

hmm

ectl isnt quite accurate here

i dont wanna gear anything

[thin ermine]

whats mean ectl

and i have another question, i have 2 rainbows gear that is not being used, should i equip it?

[bitter latch]

english community tier list

[bitter latch]

and I don't feel like gearing either

[upbeat pendant]

Like i said 460 is trash

Use table on fdg

[thin ermine]

So 460 and table for FDG

[upbeat pendant]

No

[bitter latch]

457 NOT 460

[upbeat pendant]

460 will not be used

[desert salmon]

[upbeat pendant]

It is trash

For w14

[desert salmon]

are u reading 1 in 5 lines now

[thin ermine]

I have this on FDG

O thought she was fine

[bitter latch]

[upbeat pendant]

Remove black shell for table, remove main gun for 457 once you craft 457, but if not 457 you can keep the current purple gun

[thin ermine]

thanks!

and the other problem, i feel like fdg is hitting poor

why ?

[bitter latch]

define poor

[upbeat pendant]

Define poor ye

[bitter latch]

or poor compared to what

Musashi?

[thin ermine]

yep

[upbeat pendant]

And are you using fdg on bossing

[thin ermine]

musashi is absoluty a monster

[upbeat pendant]

Everything sucks compared to musashi

[bitter latch]

that's not suprising

[upbeat pendant]

Especially on low tech

[thin ermine]

FDG is the main fleet that is going in the center?

the lead ship?

[bitter latch]

what?

[thin ermine]

if she is putted in the position of musashi

[upbeat pendant]

Fdg is the middle

[thin ermine]

so she always on the middle, niceeee

[upbeat pendant]

Did you read the fleet we gave you

Fdg is mobbing there

[thin ermine]

but i gonna tell you something LUO, she not hit hard than musashi

[bitter latch]

we know

[upbeat pendant]

NO ONE HIT HARDER THAN MUSASHI

[thin ermine]

i test it by myself

[upbeat pendant]

THATS A FACT

[bitter latch]

^

[desert salmon]

ur testing is likely also shit

but that aside, fdg doesnt hit harder than musashi

[bitter latch]

FDG is still more than capable of handling W14 mobs though

[desert salmon]

still second best at w14 mobs

maybe best, depending how u consider rammer intercept

[thin ermine]

i make a lot of effort to get FDG, and when i see her damage i got dissapointed, but we will see her in c14, maybe she shut my month

[upbeat pendant]

I honestly take fs5 fdg with musashi crossfleet over musashi for mobbing

[bitter latch]

she really needs fleet tech to get the most out of her

but even then she's still well above you're average SSR BB

[thin ermine]

i have iron blood fleet tech at level 3, is that enough?

[bitter latch]

so I don't know what you're complaining about

[bitter latch]

she really needs Hit from fleet tech

[desert salmon]

W14 Fleets:
Mob Fleet: FdG Shinano unicorn, Jervis Suzutsuki Sandy
Boss Fleet: Musashi Vanguard Yorktown2, Agir Heinrich Anchorage.

im done helping

bye

[thin ermine]

thanks Card, but so Fdg is not in the center

[bitter latch]

[thin ermine]

shinano is in the center

im confused T-T sorry guys

its hard for me

[bitter latch]

luo good luck, I'm gonna loose my sanity at this rate

[thin ermine]

sorry guys, but no problem! with this is enough! i just gonna build my agir and ancho and when they ready, i gonna contact you in this thread!!

thank you very much for all the help

❤️

[upbeat pendant]

Read this very carefully: fdg is not going to beat musashi on bossing @thin ermine no battleship is going to beat musashi on bossing. In fact, to beat musashi in anything, you need a very niche setup/situation. THAT DOES NOT INDICATE FDG IS BAD, she is still way, WAY stronger than every gold bb in the game, and on mobbing, she rivals musashi

[thin ermine]

now i get it, damn

im happy to have FDG hehe

[upbeat pendant]

You dont use musashi as a benchmark for being good

Because musashi is definitively the strongest bb in the game

[thin ermine]

i hope she never get powercrepet

[bitter latch]

tell that to New Jersey

FDG, Azuma, etc

[upbeat pendant]

When you list ships, you usually list flag ship, up, down for backline

Tank, middle, off tank for frontline

Because that is the ingame display order

[thin ermine]

oooh, that is why i was confused

[upbeat pendant]

Thats what they said to warspite

Then now warspite is avg

[bitter latch]

some visuals might help

[thin ermine]

who is the first ship?

look amazing

the dragon one

[upbeat pendant]

Thats avp

[thin ermine]

i gonna get her after ancho