W14 Mob and Boss Fleet Help!

[hard tinsel]

Hey Gents. Im trying to build a mob and boss fleet to full clear W14 and farm New Orleans, any and all help is appreciated!

[gilded citrus]

I use this

[mellow ether]

ok

[gilded citrus]

but depends on what you have 😄

[hard tinsel]

@gilded citrus Im grabbing Screenshots right now.

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post ur dock, sorted by rarity from URs through SRs, filtered by main fleet then vanguard

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already covered

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recovering in thread

[hard tinsel]

Ignore the collection of Enterprises and Essexs

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vang next

i'd use fdg here

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Mob: FDG, Unicorn, Volga, Kronk, An Shan, Chang Chun

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FdG Volga Uni Kron Kazagumo Yuudachi
Musashi Ulrich Yorktown2 Agir Jeanne Ancho

Ulrich ~ NJ ~ Vanny, i dont really know what to choose for lethal clear

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oh FFS hold on let me get the quips

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im doing it

[tacit light]

ah good I was about to loose my sanity

we deviating from the DDGs this time round

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cos he has kazagumo

chang is probably stronger than yuudachi in some way

but I dont wanna think about it

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Ive gone through W14-1-2, but Ive heard that W14-3-4 is pretty intense, what makes it so bad?

[tacit light]

everything TBH

[mellow ether]

more three star nodes

-1s and -2s spawn alot of 1 and 2 triangles

[hard tinsel]

So its basically going to be hell until I full clear

[mellow ether]

hmmm

i think you might push lethal 3*

your ships are strong

[narrow zephyr]

14-3/4 mobs also have enemy subs, need good asw

[deft sky]

uh... did you bring ASW

14-3 and 4 is rough because there's no level advantage at all on lethal plus you need to fight against some really tough subs

[mellow ether]

something like this

[tacit light]

yeah don't wanna hand around 14-3 too long

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i think uni can wear two asw planes and maintain recon here

0 ammo sub nodes need alot of ASW

[deft sky]

practically speaking you're usually fine with 1 ASW plane and a hedgehog unless your hedgehog is on a poor ASW ship

[mellow ether]

not on 0 ammo

my similar setup still almost misses subs

[deft sky]

I did fine on 0 ammo... shrug

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yea but do u just tank subs

[deft sky]

not really

if you're concerned then yeh bring a second plane or DC

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part of why i list four is cos vang isnt always in range of top or bot subs

and hedge asw doesnt catch them when they are revealed too shortly

[deft sky]

there's some RNG to it I guess I just personally had no issues with hedgehog + 1 plane

[mellow ether]

that's probably a factor of overall strong ships

which he does have

[deft sky]

he does, he'll be fine as long as he's geared for the occasion

heck I did mine with Volga 120 not 125

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do u agree enough with fleet

[tacit light]

not sure I'd take Ulrich Aquia over Vanagurd Shinano myself but that works

[deft sky]

I probably will drop Kazagumo for Ingraham

ARA for mob is like ehhhh

[narrow zephyr]

shima over jda, Kazagumo gives backline heals, ara nice for 0 ammo

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oh trust me you have not tried to auto lethal 3 star W14 then

[mint stag]

more reliable running a nano and nj lol

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oh, but ive tried shinano vs yk2, i liked yk2 more

[tacit light]

eh fair enough

[deft sky]

why would you want to lethal 3-star 14

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cos cant turn lethal back on

[tacit light]

save some time

[deft sky]

why would you want to lethal 3-star anything

[mellow ether]

flavor the game before he goes into copy pasting meta fleets

altho this is still just copy pasting a w14 setup

idk

[mint stag]

if a fleet is strong enough to lethal 3 star then its strong enough for anything in that chapter
Anyway kazegumo creates a more reliable clear then ingraham

[deft sky]

keep in mind 14 now has clearing mode, you waste more oil trying to do it before clearing

[mellow ether]

ARA was also cos

0 ammo buff

[deft sky]

unless you're one of those people who like keeping their 14 lethal for testing shit it's irrelevant

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ngl im surprised ur on that side of the argument

cos u read cn more

[deft sky]

I appreciate that people do it

but it's not relevant for most players

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ah right, with aquila, shima should be good

[tacit light]

if you're at W14 then you're hardly just another player

[mellow ether]

if no aquila, i'd back to jeanne

[deft sky]

it doesn't mean if you're at 14 you need to be a top meta tester either

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@hard tinsel are you rushing w14 or no? cos i chose alot of unleveled ships

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@mellow ether Nah, just looking to clear at some point

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then i think that these fleets are gud

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Besides if these are ships relevant now, they likely are good ships to have leveled anyways

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maybe aquila for yk2 is good, or keep aquila and swap in shima over jeanne

[deft sky]

I mean you're done with -1 and 2, -3 and 4 is just throwing the ASW in

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according to stigma

yk2 has like 8/3 damage of aquila

on campaign context

cos of tenrai and other bits

[deft sky]

for boss you kind of can just stack rainbows nowadays, it's really the mob fleet

[mellow ether]

mob fleet looks really standard

[deft sky]

yep

I mean even his original fleets would have worked as long as he had at least a hedgehog + 1 ASW plane, though maybe less optimized

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macabre didnt post his

[deft sky]

oh that was arten nevermind

but yeh along those lines

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mm

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i think you can complete w14 subless

but that aside, 96 flag 81 37

archer cavalla naut is also 125

[deft sky]

you can do 14 without subs if your surface is stacked enough

[mellow ether]

which probably wins

u alrdy have standard subs raised

[deft sky]

yeh those subs are fine

[tacit light]

yeah my sorry butt used them to clear W14 and they performed just fine

[hard tinsel]

So what will I have to be careful with in 3-4?

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oh, butt

[deft sky]

the only thing seriously harder about -3 and 4 are subs

[mellow ether]

If u can satisfy the gearing in those pics, not much rly

[deft sky]

and you're practically no longer getting any level advantage for -3, penalty for -4

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Im kinda curious of YK2 being better than Aquila here

whether she is

one of yk2, haku, shinano

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you'd also probably have to swap UvH as well then

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The only thing Im missing from gear is Rainbow AA

[deft sky]

honestly the only times I see people recommend Aquila for 14 boss is when they want the main fleet heals, if you bring Yorktown and make the DPS check it's probably not relevant

[mellow ether]

mmm

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just do another quad bofor

[deft sky]

rainbow AA is irrelevant for 14

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i just chose it cos i figured people had one by this point

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Nvm I can build it

[deft sky]

don't do it you don't need it

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Yea I saw that other people met dps check and do just great

with S ranks and jeanne

[deft sky]

I'm tempted to do make one UR AA to try that Independence/Ingraham 13-1

[mellow ether]

you mean 1 +13 AA?

cos 57mm is relatively cheap

[mint stag]

Literally 134 is more useful then rainbow aa

[deft sky]

I did Musashi/NJ/Shinano/Agir/Shimakaze/SF, was a bit hairy for SF but cleared all boss fights

134 is going to do more than rainbow AA in general unless you specifically need the AA

[mellow ether]

i respect AA alot more after maintaining better arbi and meta stealth

im not totally sure that they can maintain stealth through bbv spawns tho

cos the ships aas are too weak for aa guns to save

[deft sky]

I guess I had less trouble in part from using Ingraham since she's actually got decent AA

[hard tinsel]

So if I wanted to clear W14 soon, I could theoretically do it with the same teams I used with -1 and -2, just with more asw?

[mellow ether]

what did you even use

[deft sky]

will need to see those fleets first

[hard tinsel]

Dont mind the subs power level, I took their gear for now

I feel the criticism coming

[deft sky]

Perseus does no damage in 14 you'll feel it in -3 -4

Helena is probably better replaced with something that does good damage after you stagger out main fleet damage

[mellow ether]

with sub calls, you'll clear

but

[deft sky]

Agir move to boss fleet

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it's far more difficult

[deft sky]

actually just do Agir/Shimakaze/Anchorage for boss vanguard

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and you'd said you dont mind raising ships right?

so raising the new fleet is gud

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which was this

[hard tinsel]

Ill definitely raise the ships, all of this is for the clear, after the clear though, what would be a safe but optimal farmer team for -4?

[mellow ether]

same fleet

[hard tinsel]

Fair enough

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also remember not to pick up flares

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Not pick up flares? To save them for the boss?

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no just don't pick them up period

they scuff targeting for your BBs in W14 on auto

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For all of W14?

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yep

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Damn, I thought I was crazy when Id auto the boss with flares, felt like I shouldve killed em sooner

I appreciate the helps gents, saved me a lotta headache as well as some insight as to who to use, when and why.

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no prob though Cad and nntktt did most of the work

[mellow ether]

you ought to learn gearing yourself tbh but there's plenty of variants to fleet building

one of NJ or Vanny can swap UvH

if u drop aquila

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Id like to, however I don't really know where to start, Im not at all savvy with math or conversions

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hmm

this isnt that mathy

o well

two variants to try out

pls post results here for data