because they have worse aa ratings its

[keen spoke]

post dock by lvl ill help ya with a fleet for ch13

[normal python]

2 sec

[restive wyvern]

no independence Kai?

[normal python]

i can post the rest if it matters , i am playing for like 2 months

no indi

i just thought CLs have better aa in general and stats did show that so i just mashed my best aa gear on them and tried 13

[tepid mural]

oh just saw your thread...

[keen spoke]

lemme see

[tepid mural]

man you have shit loads of good tanks...

[radiant robin]

shouldn't be that hard to do ch13, it's prob gear issues

[normal python]

i was just sorting for aa when i tried 13

[restive wyvern]

Unicorn Zeppy strasser
Fdg Enterprise Saratoga

[normal python]

i was using for boss zep , strasser , enterprise

uni , sara , odin for mobs

[restive wyvern]

U want a bb for boss and triple cv mob

[radiant robin]

also, you don't have the base helena?

[normal python]

i do but not upgraded at all

kinda poor on resources after i got agir yesterday

[radiant robin]

she's good for bossing overall, helps a lot, but you could use helena meta I guess

[normal python]

i saw meta helena higher on the CL charts i think so went for that one

[keen spoke]

dunno if u need triple CV mob also IB CV are just yikes anyway

[radiant robin]

you mean the tier list?

[normal python]

yes

the main issue is when sandy dies i get trashed for the boss fight

[radiant robin]

what tier list are you using tho?

[keen spoke]

youre vanguard are the issues for AA

[restive wyvern]

Mob
Unicorn Zeppy strasser
Roon U Z46 kuyby/just saw a nurnburg she works

Boss
Fdg Enterprise Saratoga
Heinrich z23 Sandy

Might need a bit of levels but this should work

[keen spoke]

roon/z23/eugen should work for mob but boss
roon u/z46/san diego, they underleveled

[normal python]

thats basically what i used for boss

[restive wyvern]

Eugen has close to no dps, and you don’t need that much of a tank

[radiant robin]

what are your gears?

[normal python]

at least at first and get trashed really hard

on what ships?

[radiant robin]

I guess you can just show your depot, all of them matter

[keen spoke]

vanguard is really lacking, IB are just bad for AA

[normal python]

IB?

[radiant robin]

Ch 13/14 is heavily reliant on gear

[keen spoke]

mainz would be great or seattle

[radiant robin]

Iron Blood

[normal python]

i am working on mainz rn

need a few more xp

i started playing when the british event with manchester ended and iron blood event started

[restive wyvern]

Try this, if it doesn’t work then come back for gear setup

[keen spoke]

some good general vanguards would be montpelier and swiftsure, also current yat sen retro if you got those, work on them

[restive wyvern]

Why use roon when Heinrich is basically better,

[radiant robin]

she's 125 as well

[restive wyvern]

And if you are lacking aa why are you using Eugen even when oathed she isn’t gonna do any damage

[keen spoke]

saw eugen 125 and cried a bit tbh

[restive wyvern]

That enterprise setup is fucked, hellcat helldiver instead please

[normal python]

i prob have bad gear , i deleted a lot when i started cause i didnt knew much

enterprise's gear is on uni+sara

[restive wyvern]

Graf zeppelin gear is also not good, you want fighters that can intercept , not rockets

[restive wyvern]

Not to mention btd is a terrible dive bomber, use your helldivers

[radiant robin]

uni isn't good as well, no intercept

[normal python]

uni worked fine for mobs

[restive wyvern]

Those fighters have no intercept at all

[normal python]

just user her to heal front fleet

[restive wyvern]

Unicorn is one of your main sources of damage and protection

[radiant robin]

also, torpedos aren't that good on DDs overall, ppl usually use tool boxes as auxiliaries to keep them alive

[radiant robin]

I mean, they give more damage, but if the DDs are dead it doesn't matter

[restive wyvern]

Running rocket fighters is the best way to get your fleet killed

[normal python]

i saw but way too late

i spent parts on what i should have not

[restive wyvern]

Bruh man muted me

[radiant robin]

it's okay, you can get good gear pretty fast at your point in the game

[radiant robin]

lol

[normal python]

who muted who?

started working on this

but i need 1 more rainbow wrench

[keen spoke]

tbh u hit ch13 wall bc youre full iron blood vanguard, some gear issues but u need to level some AA CLs, max sandy and hel meta atleast

[radiant robin]

what's the comp you're gonna use tho?

[normal python]

for boss i was using 3 cvs . helena , z46 and sandy as i said because they had the highest aa rating but as sandi dies i lose

[keen spoke]

sandy should look like this

use quad bofor instead sextuples

[normal python]

i do not have that aa gun

[tepid mural]

you used sandy + helena meta + z46 and vanguard dying right?

[restive wyvern]

Sandy should not be running aa radar

[normal python]

why not?

[normal python]

yes

[keen spoke]

dude if its the issue it should

the fuck

[restive wyvern]

Sandy should be running washing machine and a toolbox, aa radar ain’t gonna do jack

[normal python]

thought aa radar was good for aa ships

dosent it buff your aa?

[keen spoke]

it is, if she dies u can always run standard CL gear

[restive wyvern]

Aa radar is one of the most useless aux equips ever

[normal python]

damn

[tepid mural]

sandy is fine with AA radar tho, it's just EN tradition to hate it lol
alright try eugen + sandy + hien

[normal python]

ignoring the eqipment for a sec , what should i use as main front line for the boss

[keen spoke]

couldnt be more wrong

low levels man

hasnt even cleared the game

[restive wyvern]

[normal python]

i wont have a tank for mobs

[radiant robin]

.

[normal python]

does kuyby last that long under so many planes?

[tepid mural]

roon or roon muse can take easily

[restive wyvern]

Sure

[normal python]

zep , strss , fdg for vanguard and roon, z46 sandy for main ?

i can give wash machine to sand insted of gyro

and just move gyro on someone else

[keen spoke]

gyro isnt a pve gear

[normal python]

had no idea

[keen spoke]

very niche

[normal python]

so no more investment in gyros

[restive wyvern]

If you don’t have enough washing machine use Naval camos

[keen spoke]

just follow the tierlist gear setup, use the best u have from those and youre fine

[normal python]

most of the times i have almost nothing from them

[keen spoke]

sandy z46 and ur best tank prolly heinrich or roon u for boss should do it

[normal python]

since i got rid of my purp gear a while ago

[restive wyvern]

Also no more rocket planes,use fighters with bombs

[normal python]

ok will change for boss

[restive wyvern]

Mob especially needs fighters that can intercept

[normal python]

and my trash inventory if that matters

[keen spoke]

f6f max those, use those

[normal python]

will do

[keen spoke]

just take the time, go thru tierlist for every ship in both fleets

[normal python]

think my main issue is with gear

i invested early on in trash

[restive wyvern]

Use the circled ones, don’t use the guns crossed out

[tepid mural]

try to get more 113 and replace the quad bofors
and especially for sandy, pom pom is shit

[normal python]

i can move one of the quad bofors on her

thats no issue

[restive wyvern]

Give sandy the 113 aa gun

[normal python]

wich one is that?

probably i dont have it?

[tepid mural]

yeah if you have only 1, give it to sandy

[restive wyvern]

1st line row 5

[normal python]

found late these ones are trash

[keen spoke]

only good on ships that have skills that need them

[restive wyvern]

Turn them into plates for your hellcats

[keen spoke]

so very niche as well

[restive wyvern]

Hell no , those things are useless

[normal python]

i can move uni helcat to one of the main cvs also

[keen spoke]

they introd ju87 so now u can those instead

which he prolly doesnt have to activate the skill

[normal python]

any of the core guns/planes are good for anything?

i already got the shells , waiting for the monthly reset

[keen spoke]

u wanna buy some of these

[restive wyvern]

There is a fighter but that is not worth

[normal python]

do i buy the f4u or not?

i have 1800 core

[restive wyvern]

No

[normal python]

ok

[keen spoke]

it buffs AA os 1 per fleet is fine

[restive wyvern]

Buy a independence

[normal python]

do i really need indy ?

[keen spoke]

shes great

top tier CV

[normal python]

dont doubt that but its better then Enterprise?

[restive wyvern]

Independence is infinitely more useful then the ironblood cope cvs

[keen spoke]

both are t0 and do different stuff

[restive wyvern]

If enterprise doesn’t proc skill then yes

[keen spoke]

xD

[restive wyvern]

Independence is a extremely powerful cvl once retrofitted

[normal python]

that skill helped a lot

[tepid mural]

enty is only top tier when you have top tier planes, and she's good for having good damage ceiling

[normal python]

i can move stuff around , she had better gear at some point

so this for boss?

this for mobs

[restive wyvern]

My man

[keen spoke]

DDs middle

[restive wyvern]

Literally gave you a fleet

[normal python]

will work on gear in the mean time since i dont have oil to do runs now anyway

didnt we agreed on this fleet?

[restive wyvern]

[normal python]

roon insted of heinrich

[restive wyvern]

Whatever that works

[normal python]

i mean , i am asking does that work or i can just move roon there

[keen spoke]

prolly use roon u over roon

[normal python]

oke

[keen spoke]

not big diff for mobs but roon u is just straight up better at everything

[normal python]

roon u for the second fleet , anything else?

or move normal roon insted of heinrich

[restive wyvern]

Arguably nurnburg is more useful then eugen

[normal python]

as aa probably but less tanky

[restive wyvern]

Unicorn keeps everything alive

[normal python]

to a degree but point taken

[keen spoke]

only thing to do with eugen

[restive wyvern]

Heinrich as boss tank , roon u as mob

[normal python]

ill change

[normal python]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-no-disagree-hell-no-gif-15861629

my fav ship

anything besides eugen

[restive wyvern]

Hey we agree on something

[normal python]

wow

[restive wyvern]

Eugen is usless, only CAs worse are the takao class

[normal python]

and i have all 3 , nice

[tepid mural]

a lot of hot takes...

[restive wyvern]

There are 4 takao class

[normal python]

i ment eugen , takao and chokai upgraded

[keen spoke]

how is "eugen bad" a hot take 😄

[normal python]

she tanks pretty well , i am not defending her cause i didnt see her in any tops but its my fav ship so i am keeping it no matter what

i have a model 1:350 of eugen too

[keen spoke]

i look at this and eugen hmmmm, btw if u have kala, level her, shes great even without the full event fleet

[normal python]

i dont have any of the ships from that event

didnt roll

[keen spoke]

that event was good for vanguard

[restive wyvern]

Kronshtadth simp, disgusting

[normal python]

lol

kron looks nice tho

[restive wyvern]

And azuma too , wtf

Also you are a bigger noob then I am, great

[normal python]

arent we all nobs

[keen spoke]

sure thing :>

[normal python]

i made and painted them

[tepid mural]

since she can do one thing well: tanking
not having enough damage made her worse choice than current top tier tanks like CBs, but that doesn't mean she is useless
and drake should not be in that list lol

[restive wyvern]

Just use Plymouth, she does everything drake can but better

[keen spoke]

its nostalgia use

[normal python]

cant a dd just tank better? i saw some shimas in pvp that i could not even touch

[keen spoke]

its crazy but u can rotate ships when u have all of them

[restive wyvern]

Where is your Brest

[restive wyvern]

That is a you problem lol, shima is pretty easy to nuke

[keen spoke]

bing chillin in the 2nd line of 125s ?

[normal python]

the cvs nuked her but main fleet barley did touch her

[restive wyvern]

Also not even a dev30 agir

[normal python]

i just got agir yesterday

[tepid mural]

pvp is totally different to pve

[normal python]

cant argue with that , only doing it for the free gold wrench

dont care about anything else

i just want to finish the campain for now

and work on my gear since i know thats medicore at best

[restive wyvern]

Read ectl

[normal python]

ectl?

[restive wyvern]

Don’t just look at tier, read the notes they write

[normal python]

you mean the things when you hover your mouse around them

as i said , i found out way too late about tier lists and that gold is not always better then purp

so will take a while probably to get on track

and i am playing for almost 3 months now , more or less

so i guess i have time

well thank you all for the help , will try the fleets on monday when i get some free oil

and if its close ill just work on gear , i am not expecting to beat it first try

12 took a while before i got sandy

[restive wyvern]

You are gonna need more levels on those ships

[normal python]

working on that as well

is there a way to get more cognitive chips?

or thats just a slow grind with daily raids

[restive wyvern]

W12+

[normal python]

does 12 give you them? i havent seen any

and grinded 12-4 a lot for coins

[normal python]

my bad ment array

i have plently of chips

do i do roon next to 125? or just save arrays

[restive wyvern]

Array good luck with that

[restive wyvern]

No

[normal python]

daily raids give a small ammount so i just save for future usage

i am trying some runs now with the oil i have

that worked lol

thank you again