Veroxious W14

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mmm

your fleets are unbalanced like that

agir shima ancho with fdg perseus isnt it @distant panther

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Unicorn op

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agir shima ancho isnt even the mob vg

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i guess unikai it is, i thought she was a little worse than perseus

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shes much better instead

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but i asked him what backlineand he replied with mob as if it was mobbing

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ye i get it, its just we didnt get to see full 2 fleets anyway

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nor dock

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i have everyone except for the dr4/5 and no fs5

[hasty herald]

Unicorn has better DPS over longer fights and vanguard healing

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ok, assuming literally everyone

[hasty herald]

I don't reccomend Perseus for W14 period anymore now that Unicorn retro exists

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FdG Volga Unicorn Yat Sen An Shan Chang Chun
Musashi Vanguard Yorktown2 Agir JdA Ancho

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067248932406710304/1067252376387469402/image.png

[distant panther]

2 DDG lives?

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cos of volga uni

[hasty herald]

use this just change out the aforementioned ships

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im running this full auto 14-4, it is safe but its also no lighthouse/flares/picking fleets to fight against manually

[distant panther]

oh damn that's pretty useful

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no ammo either

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here's like one step removed from wht i recommended

Im just recommending Yat Sen because it looks fun

but it ought be totally viable

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surprisingly i have all these gear

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Smh not leveling 3 or 4 ships in mob fleet

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on lethal

my level 105 fleet was viable on 14-1 tho

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grinding NO, cba lvling ships there honestly

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alr imma give it a shot now

[past viper]

on lethal too but I manualed that

[distant panther]

this can auto lethal right

[hasty herald]

yes

just don't pick up flares for the mob and don't be afraid to reset if necessary

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now that i look at it

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shit i only have 1 wyvern

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holy god of asw

its fine, just use another parallel on yk2

her main strenght is tenrai so she doesnt lose as much

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idk whose youre following, but i copied a picture from another w14 thread

and they got full S ranks across mob and boss lethal

so no deaths

of course

mob fleet is subject to RNG on lethal

no way around it without brest plymouth

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are augments necessary?

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no

actually

[hasty herald]

necessary no, very helpful for consistency especially on the backline yes

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just run aquila over yorktown2

my bad

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oh it was supposed to be healquila?

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the person i helped didnt have aquila

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fair

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i literally did just copy paste a fleet too

[hasty herald]

same

[distant panther]

where do you get those purple plane aux for unikai

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nice and simple double fighter aquila

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from core data or gearlab

I dont recall which faction crafts asw planes tho

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murica

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it's EU I think

also just get it from the gear lab

really cheap since it's purple

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the other asw plane is british but idk if its craftable or only shop

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agreeable

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and all gear must be +10?

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yes

well

ideally

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my coins run low

[hasty herald]

it's a must at W14

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guess i gotta break the piggy bank

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what

[hasty herald]

why you would run anything less is beyond me

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just run 2x cards on 13-4

or 12-4

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+10 is basically a default value at this point

[stoic raptor]

that unikai anti sub is a bit much

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it isnt for me

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can this fleet also apply for w13 or do i have to swap everything out again

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uhhh

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that may have been a dumbass question

[hasty herald]

I doubt either has enough AA

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sandy over JdA and Cheshire over Kronshtadt

should be enough perhaps

[stoic raptor]

Swap fdg for another cv, acv is important

[hasty herald]

yeah I'd swap FDG for say Independence to be extra sure

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i still barely catch all subs on 0 ammo nodes

with four sources

[distant panther]

have to farm some gold first before i can do this

do people swap around gear all the time when building a fleet to do harder content?

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yes

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i do

[hasty herald]

yep

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between w14, meta showdown, and opsi arbiter

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that basically most of my ingame time

[distant panther]

does it feel slow/choppy for you guys

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except fleet tech grinding i guess

a bit

[hasty herald]

it does but what other choice do you have

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but you get used to it

[distant panther]

no wonder my fleets are always goofy, i can't sit down and suffer through the menys

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after some time you even remember in which place particular piece of gear will appear before its there

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do you save gear presets properly

gear presets are also a little laggy

but very bearable

[distant panther]

...i don't even know what the presets do

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i cant force myself to use it until its able to use equipped gear

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changing yk2 shinano haku tenrais, and they keep swapping wrong

[distant panther]

does it work in like FEH where it locks a gear to a ship so you can build multiple fleet with the same gear or does it take it away so some ships have no gear in that slot?

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you cant use same piece twice

also if a piece is equipped, preset wont take it to the other ship

so you have to unequip it manually

[hasty herald]

yeah that's really annoying

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which kinda ruins whole point of presets for me

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i wish the ship presets of content also had their own individual gear setups but

that will bug

[hasty herald]

never bothered much with presets after that

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you see my shinano equips tho?

fuck that

presets assist me

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guess its useful if you dont remember what gear you used

i mean

how do they assist

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one button instead of adjusting all five

cos all five are different between setups

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but doesnt that imply those 2 wyverns have to be free every time

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for which i do

cos i have four

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cba

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i have 1

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also i refuse to use a +10 wyvern if i could use a +13

[distant panther]

poverty

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i have three rainbow DBs to +13 before wyvern

cant do

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yeah well

one tenrai, two wyverns 13

only 2 gold planes 13

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very efficient

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and i dont even use shinano in pvp anymore

nor any other carrier

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im not finding as much success with it anymore

shima harbin blitz is too much

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lesson to learn: just dont +13 a wyvern

[distant panther]

i don't think i can farm enough gold to +10 all these gear today

i should've done this before lmao

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it ok

even if some people farmed gold

they couldnt ever clear

[distant panther]

fuck i'll have to swap the gear back for opsi no

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save the presets

but yes

[distant panther]

i just now realized, we don't recommend NJ for w14?

[hasty herald]

she just doesn't fit in

what with all the new URs released

you want to run at least one CV and Musashi is just broken, and Vanguard is really good support as always

[distant panther]

this is for boss

and this is for mob

is this good enough?

and sub is the standard LdV/Archer/Alba

[hasty herald]

you need to run a depth charge launcher on Chang Chun and probably a bulge on Kronk

also prefer the quads over the quints for faster cooldown

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on yuudachi?

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yep

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ok

need to do a few more runs tmr for gold and i'll dive into the abyss

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i 3-stared 14-1

[past viper]

14-1 is the tutorial

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fuck really?

[past viper]

14-2 is still tutorial although boss might be a bit harder

After that it's glhf

[distant panther]

how much more difficult is it

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much more three star spawns in 14-3 and 14-4

mob gets alot harder

and there's like 2(?) more BB waves in 14-4 boss

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so augments become necessary there?

man with how tough these campaign maps are they better give us some op drops

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no

augments are not necessary

inthe first place

you've crept it with several URs

compared to on release

it's fine

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yep 14-2 is blasting me

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is fdg flag

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yeah

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this should be very resilent to rng

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maybe because i swapped wyvern back to shinano?

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do you have a raised aquila

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yep

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aquila is more consistent in boss over shinano

so mob fleet died

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almost

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that's expected

just lethal rng

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they couldn't defeat every mob on map

or is that expected

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expected for this particular comp

ships like kazagumo, hamman2(i guess cos cn ) or gloucester are much stronger on zero ammo clears

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yeah, there's a comp that can auto lethal 3 star but it's very expensive to set up

[distant panther]

how expensive, full +13 ur gear?

[hasty herald]

FDG, Aquila, Volga, Brest, Kazagumo, Plymouth

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ye

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ply should take a few months with brest about the same

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u dont need it tho

[hasty herald]

expesnive as in the two PR5 DRs

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just use subs

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yeah you don't

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that fleet is subless three star lethal

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just dont 3* lethal, save yourself a headache

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ew

no balls

or uterus

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i did 14-2 lethal

but -3 and -4

fuck that

[distant panther]

or just manual once

that could work

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or that yeah

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i succeeded in 14-4 lethal auto 3* but

i want to preserve 14-3 for testing

so i didnt three star it back then

i skipped it at the time

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is this the aquila build for boss?

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yes

it's just healerquila

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i thought double fighters is for healing?

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very strong with musashi

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or im dumb

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the point is her healing

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i can replace one tigercat with one pancake right

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equivalent ye

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ok, it's so wack to me that both the air superiority and recon are both red lmao

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um

recon oughtn't be

how shy are you for it

have volga on cata rudder and see if it makes it up

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is it still red

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ill do that when i get more gold

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153/160

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just equip one more cata on volga

if needed, uni

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what is that

the hydraulic thing?

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steam catapult

aviation contribute to recon vaue

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oh

ok it's green now

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this comp can also auto safe 13-4 for me so it's all good now, will have to figure out 14-4 somehow now since 14-2 really scares me lmao

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eh

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if anything the 14-2 boss is the hardest

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i review it later

albadoubt

[hasty herald]

since it has a sh*t ton of HP

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14-2 probably harder than 14-3

but 14-4 is fked

[hasty herald]

14-4 boss fight is annoying but once you figure it out

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tbh someone else ran nearly this same shit

and cleared 14-4

idk what secret you're skipping

[hasty herald]

fleet tech?

augments?

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i have 0 augments

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what is there to even fix

i wouldnt bat an eye at that fleet

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both mob and boss or just mob?

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both

mob is mostly ok

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boss is pretty simple

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boss sometimes almost die

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Musashi Vanny Aquila, Agir Jeanne Ancho

ought be very consistent

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it has to be jeanne?

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jeanne is just a strong slot

her point is being defensive

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guess i'll have to raise her then

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oh well

just try aquila then

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i swear these tactical classes take too long

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agir shima ancho is itself very strong

aquila should be gud

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i am using aquila

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especially 14-2

you still struggled with aquila?

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sometimes she get 2 shot

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with musashi?

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yeah

maybe im just unlucky

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musashi should've been revealed before she ever dies

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it's ok i 3-starred 14-2

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aquila on bottom position?

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yeah

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well just unlucky then

trust in musashi to reduce RNG

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sometimes she takes no dmg, sometimes she get to 1% hp

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both aquila and musashi?

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aquila

mushashi goes down to 30% consistently

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hmmm, musa vanny aquila agir shima ancho

whatever

you provided gud data

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i'm a test subject?

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troll

but this is a pretty standard fleet

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i didn't know that

double healer and 2DDs for mob

and aquila over shinano

and i used to think that vanny has low dmg

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all upturned in 14

just repositioning the fleet pics

it gave me a mental fk

to try and read that

anyways

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do you know why?

are you getting revealed by rammers? are BBs living aquila's airstrike?

[distant panther]

i can't remember

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oh well

just recheck your equips a little

in line with this picture

oh i might have it

aquila is probably a bit too fast of an airstrike

did you have two wyverns?

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no

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did you wastefully make a skypirate

or have a vit

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i'll check after this 13-4 run

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ok

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this thing?

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oh you had one

yeah, try it over cuda on aquila

[hasty herald]

yeah may as well use it

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pushes aquila into 22+ sec instead of close to vanny's salvos

[distant panther]

yeah i have no clue about gear, what they do, their name even

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it ought to be good

but then again i am just testing on you

there are other ways to stagger too

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that's an advanced concept for me

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but skypirate aquila ought be improvement at least

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this is her gear now

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gud

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but now their mood are low so i can't try lmao

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it ok

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and bunker hill is still nowhere

so uh i have 942 prototype core, do i dump it on tenrai prints?

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hmm

can you buy a tenrai with that

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15 prints

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no no

i mean can you craft one

right away

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no

but i can finish harbin now

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ok

wym finish harbin

talkign about protocore

just save it ig

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i can buy pr5 prints from the protocore store

so just save it?

well harbin can wait until next event

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hmm

harbin gun doesnt replace russian 130

you'd already had enough

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i meant harbin the ship

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ah

ship bps are very poor value

so ought not

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ok

i can wait a month

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another thing to try is York2/Haku with Tigercat Tenrai Wyvern @distant panther over Aquila for a tenrai CV for clears

er well

Skypirate replace wyvern for budget

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haku forever stuck at dev24, raising york2

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hm

then leave it i guess

you ought to focus on a single season at a time

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yeah for now im focusing on pr5 with harb/ply/brest since i already fs5 ancho and finished agir

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yeah so

14-2 was just super hard on backline

musashi vanny aquila prob just suffered from taht

try skypirate whenever

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14-3 is awful lmao

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hmm

oh well

have u a tenrai?

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1

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could try tigercat tenrai skypirate shinano over aquila

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boss is chilling but mob is crying

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but tbh i think you are just suffering from RNG

oh that's how it is now?

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for 14-3

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is mob aligned with this

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i replaced the 4 gods seal with repair kit but everything else is same

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that's nota good replacement

the point of chang is her high damage

she doesnt need toolbox passive with uni volga

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ok ill swap it back

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hmm, and

w14 lethal is always hard

DRs just reduce RNG

but it's still very dyable

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even with manual?

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depends skill

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only skill i have is use airstrike when enemy salvo is in the air

[past viper]

Another skill is just to use mk ix torpedoes on the kagerou rammers

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reopened

@jolly lichen

[jolly lichen]

[hasty herald]

lamo

[jolly lichen]

latom

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from last session

[jolly lichen]

@distant panther

[distant panther]

thanks for the tutoring guys

but uh we didn't go over kaza gear

[hasty herald]

check the gear guide above

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a basic

[jolly lichen]

oh shit i forgot to move planes

if no tenrai put helldiver

and +13 is unnecessary

i just forgot to swap it back to +10

[distant panther]

ok i have a single tenrai

[jolly lichen]

ye just slap it here

on volga

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rather goes on YK2

[jolly lichen]

really

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i think so

[hasty herald]

same

[distant panther]

wait so no unikai?

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volga has 2 dbs

it's a shame

[jolly lichen]

ye coz vola aquila superior

[hasty herald]

don't think the Tenrai is that necessary for mob especially when it's on Volga

[jolly lichen]

ok

[stoic raptor]

Mob is the main problem , feel like they should get tenrai

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i dont think it's any problem

[jolly lichen]

ye, just dont yk, eat too many 3 flag fights

3 flag sub fights

the sub fights i feel on out of ammo is much worse than bb fights

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did you have a raised jeanne? or just shima

that's why i keep recommending 4 asw sources

[jolly lichen]

bb fights are fine once yk, you get the fucking extinguisher down

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but people are like no

dont need much asw past hedge

[distant panther]

she's not mlb

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then you could at least put depth charge

actually

is double depth charge kazagumo a play here

with aquila volga that should be fine

im gonna put it

[jolly lichen]

yeh

[jolly lichen]

can 457 on vanny to stagger

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ye

even with champy

it's like she as fast as musashi wearing 457

isnt too bad

hmmm

timings look bad

maybe aquila should wear beacon over fire extinguisher

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alr farming gold rn

is this mob fleet better than what i had before?

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well, better at persisting through zero ammo

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what does kaza do that enables that?

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additively reduces 0 ammo debuff

on CVs

this is probably better or smt

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will that be enough for recon?

even with no aug?

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it should be