False accusation

[delicate scarab]

i received a warn for "implied sexual favors" on the following image. can someone explain how and where exactly there is any "sexual favor" implied in an image that shows a cooking mistake? this feels like yet another case of made-up rules, similar to the bare butts thing that spawned from an image considered mostly sfw by both mods and community, save for one particular mod

or more accurately, it both looks and feels like whoever mod was behind that, had some very wild imagination running

[blazing merlin]

Just wanted to let you know you can appeal your cases at https://dashboard.azurlane.moe/case/appeal

Probably better to go there so you can reach the staff faster, most likely. Our opinions as users are unlikely to influence or change decisions that the staff makes.

[delicate scarab]

making things even more intransparent i see

but i guess that works better than having a channel cluttered with posts about users receiving warns for extremely awkward or, who knows, maybe even outright imaginary reasons

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/djmlom/always_have_plan_bsiriusbelfastenterpriseessex/ the image itself by the way was taken from a reddit post that is not marked as nsfw either, from the subreddit related to this server. so other users and staff can check and judge for themselves

[solar briar]

reddit is not related to this server in any way, especially this subreddit

if you think the warning is incorrect, then as WhiteFoxy said, you can go through the appeal process and we will look into it.

[blazing merlin]

Transparency isn't making cases public, it's just unecessary from my point of view. Your chances to have problems solved increase if you talk to people directly through the methods they specify. Once again, just my opinion. If your plan isn't to have anyone listen to you, then disregard my message.

That said Reddit is not Discord. Different platforms have different sets of rules and what is allowed there may not be allowed here.

[delicate scarab]

except it is. it even has a link to the ALO discord there and staff from this server are also active as mods in that subreddit

[solar briar]

I've no idea why are you arguing with me about this as if I wouldn't know better whether we have or don't have any connection

[blazing merlin]

It does not work that way. I link this server on my website and that doesn't mean we have anything to do with each other. I have my rules, they have theirs.

[delicate scarab]

its besides the point anyways. point is, some mod interpreted something that isnt implied anywhere on the image at all

[blazing merlin]

May I then suggest again to appeal your case on their dashboard. If you truly feel you were warned by mistake that is.

[delicate scarab]

already done but posting about it here helps raise awareness among users

if the staff take issue with that, it stands to reason as to why because that WOULD be a borderline authoritan mindset, not only wanting to hide information about controversial cases but actively removing it

pointed out the hypothesy before someone jumps the gun and interprets this as real and true

[solar briar]

Thanks, we'll look into your appeal and you'll get an answer after we reach a decision

[delicate scarab]

it would be great if, in case of a denial (for which the chance is certainly high), the explanation of such could be posted pubicly here for others to see

or how exactly would it be an issue if other users could see why an appeal was rejected and where exactly the warn reason lies in the image?

if anything, it would further help minimizing the chance of conflicting staff opinions (mod DM A says yes, DM B says no, DM B is right)

[solar briar]

nah
the cases and the appeals are not public and we have no interest in playing a judge judy show

[blazing merlin]

Nowhere in the Discord ToS or Community Guidelines it is specified that the server administration owes you such information. They can warn and ban anyone at any time for any reason they want.

Legally they don't have to do anything you said.

[solar briar]

Foxy, I appreciate the help, but I can handle this

[delicate scarab]

by all means, quote me on where i said "i demand" or "they owe me" a public explanation

[solar briar]

the appeal discussions are held by the entire team and serve exactly this purpose already
the publicity is not neccessary for this

[delicate scarab]

neither have i and again, thats besides the point. the point is to show transparency which in return will make it easier for users to trust the staff. the age old "just DM mods" response simply does not pull anymore because there are too many cases where DMs are either ignored/missed or where between conflicting DMs, the one saying no stays in the right, even if the one saying yes to an image was there first

[delicate scarab]

as i mentioned before, i was hinting at the result, not the process or discussion itself

i mean, IRL court debates between judges are typically not held in public either

but the verdict, along with a logical and detailed explanation, that came as a result from that debate, is

[solar briar]

We operate on "need to know" basis. If your appeal gets denied, then you, as the concerned party, will receive the detailed explanation as to why. The public are not, so we will not be going out of our way to announce anything.

[delicate scarab]

though in all honesty, the staff-wide mindset of "we dont want users to know how we do things" itself already sows distrust and insecurity among users. there is no harm in having a userbase gain some understanding on how your staff team handles conflicts. i learned as much during my time as a gamemaster in aion. my userbase was probably smaller than the active portion of ALO (no, total user count is NOT equal to active) but it was a fairly large one in the three digits nonetheless

[solar briar]

And I usually do my best to answer questions that people might have about how we operate
But my previous answer stands. Specific cases will be left between concerned parties.

[delicate scarab]

this case isnt the first or only either. ALO has had a reputation for controversial NSFW warns for years. a while ago when someone else had such a case, i did some digging out of curiosity and found very similar user reactions and cases as old as 3-4 years

im only here since early 21, so i wouldnt know how it actually was but it paints a clear picture

of course, the kinda judgement you need for GM work cannot be compared to the one you need for NSFW images

[solar briar]

Honestly not sure what it has to do with the discussion at hand, sorry.

[delicate scarab]

the discussion at hand is about a controversial decision because a staff seemingly interpreted something completely unrelated in an image

[solar briar]

Yes, and you submitted an appeal.
Now just wait for the answer

[delicate scarab]

one thing that would also greatly help with the whole "just DM mods" thing is to introduce a rule that states if you are visible in the server, you are on duty. such a thing is common sense among GMs. because 8 out of 10 times, a DM is left without answer for unknown reason

tbh i thought it already was, till a mod told me there was no such thing back in 21

[solar briar]

We'll discuss it, but the answer is almost certainly a no. This is not a job, we're volunteers, there's no "on duty, off duty" concept. If the place you moderated operates like that - it's their right, but we don't.

[delicate scarab]

that could very easily be interpreted as sloppiness by users, if a staff team actively allows its members to be visible as a staff member but not require them to respond at all to an inquiry. and that, again, further feeds into distrust

sure, its safer if you ask a staff before you post anything. but if the staff doesnt respond until hours later or at all most of the time? that doesnt help you as a user to trust them and feel comfy posting content

[delicate scarab]

it was gamez aion by the way, in case you are familiar with MMOs. private server but was the largest during my activity in 2016

[solar briar]

Again, we're just volunteer discord mods. If people think not being able to respond every time you're online is sloppy, then I guess we can't help that.