how does this fleet fail mobbing i need advice again
#i must have skill issue (14-3 mobbing)
stable palm
barren owl
it's regular rng
rich shard
show your dock
barren owl
na cheeky remember
rich shard
should be fine though RNG aside
rich shard
oh yeah
stable palm
nah 3 mobfights and theyre done i dont even know how
barren owl
hmm
dim warren
show equip
rich shard
were you picking up lighthose?
stable palm
yes obviously
barren owl
ill make the equip 
rich shard
yeah probably an equip issue
stable palm
lemme pull it up
rich shard
were you using double-line advanceformation?
harsh rose
double assualt makes it worse
rich shard
considering that fleet should be fine I'm checking the finer details
barren owl
advice starts after we know the problem
harsh rose
do you know whats dying ?
harsh rose
was it from sub penetration or suicide boats
harsh rose
and are you running at least 2 anti subs
stable palm
.....
harsh rose
2nd one here
in w14 especially with double line you wont do dmaage fast enough
single line is much more consitent
stable palm
rich shard
I would beg to disagree
harsh rose
his frontline is dying too
your frontline dying is bacuase your backline cant do damage fast enough
rich shard
no augments not helping
stable palm
wow surely augments will be gamechanging
rich shard
no but they def help
stable palm
when im getting bodied after 3 fights
harsh rose
run another anti sub on wakat
barren owl
personally
stable palm
ramming boats keep slipping
barren owl
im seeing massive skill issue once more
stable palm
okay so wat do i do
barren owl
exchange indep for shinano
stable palm
dont have shinano sorry
stable palm
and york 2 also died
barren owl
eh
harsh rose
okay so wat do i do
run the golden antisub in wakat and purple death charge on yuudachi
dim warren
i haven't used kala actively yet, is she good dps?
barren owl
meh
rich shard
she's Henrich lvls IIRC
stable palm
i dont tihnk so but she tanks or sth
harsh rose
Wait are you running lethal?
stable palm
dock
stable palm
Wait are you running lethal?
yea
stable palm
+klaudia 120
rich shard
might have to go manual at this rate
stable palm
i see people saying they beat it wit much worse units...
barren owl
i see people saying they beat it wit much worse units...
Yes 
rich shard
they were probably on safe
stable palm
Manual selecting or auto selecting fleets?
theres no autoselect when clearing
harsh rose
Should be no problem then , only problem I see is anti sub
stable palm
ramming boats consistently slip thru on like 3rd wave on 3* dd nodes
like, every single time
dim warren
i only started using volga on 14-4, here i remember running double healer, have you tried that? i did percy ryuuhou, uni klaudia may work or uni ryuuhou. this was on lethal too
harsh rose
Run another bb maybe? I have been using hood for fun
stable palm
i only started using volga on 14-4, here i remember running double healer, have ...
maybe uni musashi klaudia but will it even have damage
if indep already lacks damage
barren owl
my slow CV timing maintained killing that third wave of DDs
stable palm
ill try double healer
dim warren
indep i only used for screen clears, uni will dominate the damage chart if not musashi, also have you considered using zoomo gun on sushi?
harsh rose
Double healer is asking for even more trouble over independence but I guess
dim warren
even dd nodes have annoying bb that slap your backline
barren owl
klaudia dmg is very consistent grey
but i dont think the backline timings are good to use her
everyone is similar timing
harsh rose
It seems like he will rather use a 2nd bb to deal with suicide boats and not to mention it’s easier to stagger with bbs
stable palm
maybe i dunno
rich shard
load up Patricia I guess
barren owl
ehh
dim warren
i only used he gun here because richelieu and didn't realize she is fine with ap guns too
harsh rose
load up Patricia I guess
Why would you use patty over Musashi
rich shard
Why would you use patty over Musashi
run the two of them together is what I meant
barren owl
rather than something like brun and roma off flag with musa flag
rich shard
you said run two BBs
stable palm
yes
rich shard
Patty's barrage is pretty good
dim warren
what's in the other fleet, just to gauge if we can move cvs and bbs around
stable palm
amagi enty y2 but i dont even know if that will manage to kill the boss
or monarch idk
harsh rose
Isn’t the 14-3 boss light armo?
dim warren
rocket planes on the cv will kill the boss, 14-3 hard part is mob, boss will just die to rockets
rich shard
anyone else have any ideas
stable palm
i do but i havent raised
barren owl
He only posted his leveled ships
dim warren
i used enty essex with 109g to clear this definitely not hard for them to do
barren owl
how about we start from beginning
stable palm
no point in raising hood if they didnt have the augment till recently
rich shard
it's not like it's hard to get
dim warren
just a 21 000 credit deposit
stable palm
i told you i dont have them levelled
rich shard
then lvl them
stable palm
because up until now there was no point in levelling them
barren owl
Post dock sorted by rarity from URs to SRs, filtered by main fleet then vanguard
but i mean like
yea
i dont see many changes tbh
rich shard
time to focus PR5
rich shard
with this set up?
barren owl
triple BB nodes was the 50% rng issue
dim warren
i autoed the bb nodes, only sustainable light damage
rich shard
maybe the timings just worked out or something
dim warren
i ran richie percy and ryuuhou, poi, kazagumo and jda
definitely comparatively jank, but worked comfortably
barren owl
mocking these people struggling the fleet is awful
rich shard
I ran FDG, Uni Retro, Volga, Abruzzi, Kita, Poi Kai
it worked but the again I didn't try on auto
harsh rose
using fdg 
rich shard
I had a skill issue when clearing W14 lol
stable palm
unlevelled vanguards (dont think purples will matter at all)
zenith forum
I ran augments
stable palm
mainfleet
dim warren
augments didn't exist when i did this 
stable palm
generally nothing useful
harsh rose
Time to manual lul
rich shard
Ryuuho?
rich shard
I'm just throwing ideas at this point
barren owl
ryuuhou doesnt help your particular case, would others
zenith forum
Not using augments is just stupid
+25 fp for DDs and 20 Eva for all main fleet ships
stable palm
well i will get thhe augments thhen
rich shard
not to mention slashes
dim warren
ryuhou focuses on the most wounded ship for 3 ticks, including main, klaudia heals 1 tick only on main at start and focuses on vanguard the rest of the time like uni
rich shard
yeah that's why I though she might be sueful
barren owl
if kala is dying then klaudia is better
dim warren
klaudia has both her event auxes right?
stable palm
yea yea
dim warren
just observe a run, observe who dies first and report on that and maybe what got them
rich shard
at this point it may be better to put it on the back burner and come back at a later date
or manual
stable palm
ill try double healer, i somehow cleared it once with it + patty but then couldnt afterwards
dim warren
also how your subs look like?
stable palm
at this point it may be better to put it on the back burner and come back at a l...
i mean obviously with more ships/gear it will be easier
stable palm
also how your subs look like?
not good
dim warren
i remember using them to burst down battleships when they show up/buy time for heal cv to top off ships
autobattle but not autocall
stable palm
the trio but theyre not even mlbed i dont focus on them much
rich shard
ok that explains why they're doing bad
def max them out to 120
subs really can help carry a fleet in W14
dim warren
not even 120, just 100 with gold gear and proper auxes, even then they helped, didn't even have bidders
rich shard
don't think I even maxed their skills
dim warren
same, finishing up skilling the last one 81; 96 and 37 already done
rich shard
I'm planning on running U-47 over U-81
barren owl
the trio but theyre not even mlbed i dont focus on them much
say, musa uni and indep all have a similar first strike timing right
stable palm
yea
barren owl
I suggest putting hpfcr on musashi
the solve is in timing, not really different ships
and probably beacon on indep to stop unicorn from catching up to indep
cos uni is faster
dim warren
i see how that works, overkilling small batches with the follow up leaking through, riche's preload probably did an accidental offset in our case
dim warren
riche being fast and percy being slow did my offsets
barren owl
that... is not right
stable palm
ill try timing adjustments
dim warren
percy has a preload, but subsequent launches are always slower than ryuuhou or volga
stable palm
kinda forgot about them honestly
barren owl
almost doubled launch time is not just slower
with almost half the dmg per airstrike after of unicorn
stable palm
unless ancho mob and kala boss would change anything but im scared bossfleet would die
dim warren
if ancho is in boss fleet they won't die
stable palm
yea thats why im afraid if i put her mob they will
dim warren
ancho will keep the vanguard alive, but won't stop leakers
stable palm
hmm wouldnt you prefer beacon on uni when hpfcr on musashi
indep still kinda close to musashi
but better than previously
dim warren
you wouldn't be the first one to put a beacon on uni if you can make it work. saw that setup earlier in another w14 run
btw do you have air supremacy on that map?
plane icon on the upper left is deep green
stable palm
i know what that is dont worry....
stable palm
btw do you have air supremacy on that map?
yeah i do
dim warren
i know that some people are running at superiority or parity, just making sure
stable palm
eh vanguards arent having too much fun either
stable palm
well wouldnt call kala or wakatsuki top tier
barren owl
kala is top tier
dim warren
who is losing the most health, and what type of node is it
stable palm
i mean shes good tank but theres better damage tanks
rich shard
yeah even with the best comps W14 on lethal is still a PITA
barren owl
indep still kinda close to musashi
feel free to test that
I simply eyeballed beacon on indep
stable palm
yea i keep trying different combos but its kinda hard to sense whats good and what isnt with rng involved
dim warren
also how are you sequencing your fights are you fighting 3 size red nodes right after each other or are you putting yellow 2 and 1 size nodes in between?
barren owl
ehh
stable palm
leaving all 2* for last fights
dim warren
it gives your heal boats time to top up hp between bad nodes
stable palm
well i guess theres not much difference between 1/2/3 ammo 2 or 3*
rich shard
I mean yeah I did that trick as well
barren owl
with volga?
rich shard
I had skill issues
dim warren
with both ryuuhou and volga yes
rich shard
and was using Abruzzi as a tank so yeah
barren owl
no, the point is that he has only uni
dim warren
i do it all the time
dim warren
yeah i favored regeneration over dps in -3, volga was for more dps in -4 plus ryuuhou won't let me meet acv for supremacy since augs weren't invented yet. literally made goldivers for essex and enterprise to pad acv
rich shard
I ended up using Ark Royal as a sacrifice in the boss fleet until I cleared 14-4
stable palm
well i barely cleared the mobs and boss but it was like all ships at 10% hp at the end of mobbing
and 2 fights with musashi starting with like 5%
so i got lucky
dim warren
this is fine as long as you get the boss to show up is all that matters
stable palm
boss wasnt too hard with enty/y2/amagi
also both had tigercats i forgot to switch to rockets
dim warren
i remember shifting richelieu off flag for the healthier cv/cvl to take their place as the ships wore down. what matters is the flagship won't die immediately
rich shard
I just held my breath and hoped FDG made it
barren owl
i just called subs like 10x in a row and coped no one is revealed
dim warren
how many kills left? 
stable palm
3 more to clear im trying izumogun
rich shard
at least 14-4 will be easier cause ammo node
barren owl
ehhh
125 kala is worth it
as an independent advice
izumo gun is
really bad here
stable palm
well 410 was rather mediocre sync thought to try other option
plus extra dmg vs heavies
barren owl
whatever, experimenting is the game
ngl that mob clear hp is pretty funny
I had 14-4 1:1 boss clear
as in, only vanguard and noshiro survived
stable palm
ill see, im still quite quick into w14 not even playing for 6 months, people playing even for years often dont bother with it
barren owl
i did it in three
stable palm
well
i could get a 457 for protocores but im saving up and trying to get it from gearlab instead
i could be a bit stronger if i didnt care about longterm
or knew what im doing, id rather catchup odin than cheshire in pr3 if i started now
rich shard
it is what it is
stable palm
~~i did it in three~~ <:DunktsukiStare:661087783619788812>
was that a new account or 3m from starting the game on a new account to speedrun it
rich shard
we all made mistakes just best to move on
zenith forum
3m from returning to the game
stable palm
i mean i didnt really make mistakes i just invested in longer term
zenith forum
anyways i lethal third starred 13-4 in 4 months from a new account, without using any carriers (arizona solo healing)
and quit the game before i 100%'d 13-4
rich shard
mad lad
stable palm
hmm took me 3 to 3* 13-4 but with 3 carriers
zenith forum
musashi 
zenith forum
mob was really difficult though
barren owl
i just used unikai like a pos
barren owl
well 410 was rather mediocre sync thought to try other option
you mean mediocre desyncing?
stable palm
yea yea