#W14-4 fleet setup help

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glad plume
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I'll post the dock pics once it lets me, can't until I actually make the thread

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Main ships;

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Vanguard ships;

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And current fleets I've been using for it;

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I actually did clear it with those two fleets just now, though I think that's more luck-of-the-draw with the AI than it being an actually consistent clearing method
Haven't got the chips to 125 Klaudia, sub fleet is used exclusively for the boss (LdV 125, Alba 120, Royal Fortune 120)

spiral warren
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Volga Musashi Unicorn
Kron Kazegumo Yuudachi

glad plume
spiral warren
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Yeah

stable ingot
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man

stable ingot
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and flex on w14

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or do you just want normal clear

glad plume
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Autosearch-capable sounds good, I'm expecting the game won't be willing to hand over Nola for a while

stable ingot
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ok

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you have tenrai?

glad plume
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Yes, only one, +12

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oh lit you have kaza

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makes shit so much easier

spiral warren
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MonarchPout I already gave fleet recc

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mob fleet

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wait i fucked up the order again

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fucking website doing shit differently than ingame

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this

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complete autosearch and lethal 3 star

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this is mob fleet

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since you are autosearching, im putting more damage dealer and emphasis on mob

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cuz you be fighting a lotta outta ammo fights

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making mob fleet more important than boss fleet

glad plume
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I could waste a lot of time asking questions about the parts of that setup which confuse me but at this point I'll just accept it works and go with it

spiral warren
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Why not 134 luo?

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spiral warren
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Aa gun

stable ingot
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oh its bc hes running rockets

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w14 has similar aa check as w12

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higher aa check than w12 and less aa check than w13

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and planes can reveal backline

spiral warren
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Huh never noticed that

stable ingot
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and you know what happens when they get revealed

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and rocket is the best bc when you outta ammo, its impossible to not make the suicide slip through, like even harbin ddgs frontline has hard time

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rocket serves as instant one shot for the repair boat and suicide

stable ingot
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kek

spiral warren
glad plume
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Rockets seems kinda odd with the amount of aircraft, and with that many 113's the AA will be really slow
Anti-sub avenger + hedgehog + depth charge launcher seems a bit overkill, though I guess if the subs are the main threat it makes sense
Musashi in the mob fleet seems like it's gonna make the boss fleet messier, and the 457 on her instead of something like the 410 seems like it'd result in less overall damage output. I guess it's for the heavy-armor command ships?
And, why Seattle gun instead of Chappy/155kai on Kron? +15 FP, roughly similar damage output while helping her barrages/main gun a bit

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Oh, and if my Volga is only Lv.120, should I still use her? Haven't got the cog arrays to bring her up to 125, though I've got Perseus if she'd do comparably well

warm brook
spiral warren
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Percy def canโ€™t compete with Volga for w14

glad plume
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Even with the level difference?

warm brook
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yes

spiral warren
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Percy is a quick shot, and double preload carriers is asking for a disaster since you want staggered damage

stable ingot
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this is for boss fleet

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you can swap the 457s to mles if you dont have that many 457

spiral warren
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As for the amount of anti sub gear you will need it considering once you start running out of ammo those subs will start to slip by your vanguard

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warm brook
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also 410 is garbo against heavy which you see a lot of in W14 mobs so there is benefit to using the 457mm

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spiral warren
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Musashi I honestly prefer the twin 410 Kai but luo is right that there are some benefits to the much higher alpha and modifiers of 457 for sniping bbs

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spiral warren
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Seattle gun is because of dps , that gun is still great

stable ingot
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which is generally why ppl fucking die on w14 outta ammo

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cuz it instantly fills your screen with shit

glad plume
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I do have mild stupidity disorder so I'll just go with that setup after clearing it with my current mob fleet
Considering that fleet could barely clear W14-3, I'm surprised it's just working on 14-4

stable ingot
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and 410 shelling dmg against heavy armor bbs (which is generally what w14 mobbing hard part) while out of ammo is quite sad

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i have malded many times at 410 shelling dmg

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so uh

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457

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on kron, seattle gun has better general dps, the reason why 155 kai is so preferred on cls is bc the fp boost and cls have really really low fp, and since kron is a cb with relatively high fp i chose seattle, it shouldnt make or break your runs either way

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lvl 120 volga is fine

glad plume
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Oh, and should I just put the AD-1 on Shinano over the SB2C considering Mogami's a med-armor boss?

stable ingot
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boss fleet should easily wipe

spiral warren
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Run a beacon tho with skyraider

stable ingot
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you shouldnt worry about it too much

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issue is the fucking mob fleet

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but itll be fine since i literally copy pasta from cn's lethal 3 star setup

glad plume
stable ingot
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why kazagumo? she negates out of ammo debuff a bit

glad plume
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Hm, I don't think I have any ASW aircraft either
This'll take some setup

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warm brook
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Purple equips so they cost nothing

glad plume
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Anything to note with subs, or do they not factor into this?

warm brook
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no since it's auto search

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warm brook
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you can always have them on stand by though, usual Wolf Pack fleet

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glad plume
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I've just been keeping them for the boss, using LdV's open-ocean-support thing to attack regardless of location

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i used this

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and just fucking 1 fleet 14-4 autosearch

warm brook
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you need to write a guide on how to autosearch 14-4 at this rate

stable ingot
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your setup isnt that much different from my 1 fleet setup

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so uh

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yours should run fine

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and plus you have yk, a boss fleet with full ammo

glad plume
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Rebuilding my OpSi/META fleet equipment after this is certainly going to be interesting

stable ingot
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thats why i suggest do w14 in 1 go

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lmao

glad plume
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Bullshit mechanics call for bullshit setups I guess

stable ingot
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and swap out kron for ply

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gloucester reduce outta ammo debuff by like 15%

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adds that to kazagumo 15% dmg buff is negates 30% of outta ammo debuff for cvs

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add that to ply 18% dmg buff negates 33% outta ammo debuff for bbs

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but thing is, gloucester is literally useless outside of lethal 3 star and basically autosearch

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so its a bit of a meme challenge run support

glad plume
stable ingot
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457 is the rainbow pr2 gun that is also in gear lab

glad plume
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Alright, setups copied
One last thing, should I give Uni the flagship slot instead of Volga due to the level difference?

warm brook
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Musashi should be flag.....

glad plume
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Also could I somehow justify Warspite since she can equip ASW planes
I already know the answer to that one, just let me dream she's usable for a few moments WarZoom

stable ingot
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see these numbers?

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1 is flag

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or tank

glad plume
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Ohh, I got it off then
Assumed first slot = flagship since that's how it's ordered in some in-game stuff

stable ingot
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ye its not fucking ordered like ingame

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i hate this website

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it is impossible on mob fleet cuz you be autosearching

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and yk

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mob fleet needs to handle the high pressure

glad plume
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I'd give up half my fleet for Warspite to get a Graf Zeppelin-style total rework that made her have actual UR-grade performance

stable ingot
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you know what she might not be bad for boss fleet

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like, her snipe will prolly snipe the bbs

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if the bbs are at the back

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usually they are

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she just isnt nearly as good as vanny, but she might work

glad plume
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The mob fleet does seem to be working at least, so that should be enough to full-clear/3-star/auto-clear until I get Nola

stable ingot
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yeh

glad plume
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Okay, it's finally working
I had to mess around with the equipment/composition until it worked since I was lacking some, then manually babysat it through enough clears that I've got some damage resist from the level itself
Still not understanding Musashi as flag since she kept dying first due to Musashi's Guardianship, but it seems to be working, so I'll leave it

visual tendon
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i resurrect thread

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heeeh

glad plume
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Right now I'm running the same recommendation, just Musashi moved over into off-flag
That way, if things go south and the backline gets hit a lot, she sinks instead of the entire fleet sinking

visual tendon
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Why did luo recommend reis on boss

warm brook
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just to refresh my memory this is just W14 farming and not clearing?

visual tendon
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that's mysterious

glad plume
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W14 auto-farming, yeah
Though it's not entirely cleared yet which I probably should've mentioned, as that DR% changes things
I've been babysitting it through manual clears with flares/lighthouse to get to that

visual tendon
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fk me

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i have to gear this

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i hate gearing

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the ships are mostly all fine

warm brook
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I mean looks fine, just ditch the rudders and extinguishers for catapults

visual tendon
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apparently there's a few more needed changes

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i dont think CV catas will unsink musa

warm brook
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and rocket fighters for normal fighters

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Kaza is in there so maybe that's why the CVs are running defensive aux but yeah

glad plume
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I'm still honestly not getting the logic of Musashi as flag
She is the single tankiest ship for the slot, but she's going to redirect almost all the damage to herself regardless of slot, so shouldn't it be about the same with her in off-flag with less risk?
I've also seen her barrage's slash just missing between two rammer DDs or two backline BBs before, so I don't think she's necessarily doing more damage from the middle
I could be completely wrong on this dentCat

lucid fog
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Top Musashi cant shoot bottom rammer

warm brook
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I mean I used Musashi recent for my 14-3 lethal auto 3 star and she performed fine

visual tendon
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ought i replace kazagumo with emden?

warm brook
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out of ammo things started to get touchy but with ammo and the first 2 fights without it she was fine

visual tendon
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i 14-4 three star with musashi lethal

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and subless

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cos i was testing

warm brook
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honestley I'd say Laffey or Sandy

glad plume
# lucid fog Top Musashi cant shoot bottom rammer

She hasn't been killing the rammers anyway, even after changing her secondary from the 155kai to belgun
No clue why honestly, she's max enhance/200 affin so assumedly there's not any particular damage enhancer I'm missing

warm brook
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Emden's ASW is kinda garbo

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I mean Sandy is basically a DD

glad plume
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Wait, by rammers do you mean the bomb boats or the rammer DDs
The bomb boats she gets 1 of in a 2-pair unless she randomly just misses, the DDs she basically never gets

lucid fog
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I mean the kagerou productions

warm brook
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yeah you need MGM+1s to deal with them

visual tendon
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is boss fleet completely fine

glad plume
visual tendon
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i see issues but do i have to bother fixing it

warm brook
visual tendon
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are you dying on boss

warm brook
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make sure they don't and she works like a champ

visual tendon
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idk smth basic

glad plume
visual tendon
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ok

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i will make boss fleet

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cos you shouldnt need subs

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or like, just readjust the small parts

warm brook
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do you have Shima?

glad plume
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Using Musashi in my mob fleet is making me realize how much of a crutch she's been in my boss fleets since I got her

glad plume
warm brook
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is Hak Dev 25 at least?

glad plume
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Yes

warm brook
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hmm

glad plume
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I like how W14 is such a strange, gimmicky mess that it completely changes all fleetbuilding conventions
I don't know if I'm being sarcastic or unsarcastic when I say that either but it's one of em

warm brook
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you could try running Musashi, Hak and Shinano then for the boss

visual tendon
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emden > reis

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like

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idk what luo did

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maybe he misclick

lucid fog
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Misclick four bombs too DunktsukiStare

glad plume
# visual tendon

I'm missing some of the gear there, particularly the second 2x130mm, second 457mm, and second 114mm on Emden. Guess I can just sub in whatever?
Also, the second slot DD gun on Emden for defense instead of second slot CL gun for offence is intentional, right? Just wanna check on that one

lucid fog
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Feather for Shinano

visual tendon
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hmm, ok

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Yeah

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I dont think emden is tanky enough to run DD cl gun

lucid fog
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And don't use bulges on boss

visual tendon
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in 14 bossing

glad plume
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I'll swap all that in and see what happens

visual tendon
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im reediting with the small bits

lucid fog
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Crystal ice bomb instead of blue camo

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Ye

visual tendon
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ok

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im not sending another pic

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but do that

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i think i would actually run oxytorp on sandy DunktsukiStare

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cos of volga uni

glad plume
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Actually using the feather for its evasion, something about this massages the folds of my brain

warm brook
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at this point we may as well have a W14 help channel

glad plume
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Maybe an in-depth, updated guide pinned in #gameplay-help
I'd bet if there already is one it's missing a lot of newer ships/gear

visual tendon
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dont need pin

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ectl has a guide, but it's outdated, and they dont tier ships for any special notes about w14

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not like any tierings change for w14

warm brook
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yeah and their fleets were kinda sus to begin with

glad plume
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Oh, I have two rainbow quad-magtorps, do I sub those into either fleet or just leave it as is?

visual tendon
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those are UR quints, and doesnt matter

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put it on sandy and emden i guess

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because they have low torp stat

glad plume
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Quint, meant to type that dentCat
Gotchu

warm brook
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just leave as is IMO, for faster cooldown

lucid fog
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Half a year and they still haven't fixed the false information

visual tendon
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about pellet count DunktsukiStare

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excuse is that bombzen is not the rewriter

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his job is just to delete and add

lucid fog
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Snub is too busy calling people ret

warm brook
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TBF I don't think anyone actually took that guide seriously

glad plume
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I mean, the torp launcher choice probably won't be the deciding factor
If it works consistently I'll be happy enough, the current one sits around ~30% success rate

visual tendon
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took the time to leave this server, go to ECTL, then call me ret there

warm brook
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they do that everyone

glad plume
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I have no idea who that is but based on how they're being talked about I should probably be glad about that fact

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Aight, fleets are set up, time to see what happens

warm brook
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good luck

visual tendon
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if you're actually seeing

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then eyeball whether you're leaking rammers and planes

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well not planes

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but rammers now

glad plume
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Gotcha, I'll watch for it

warm brook
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shouldn't with Poi Kai and Sandy but W14 is like that

visual tendon
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leaking planes with two fighters, two wyverns, and sandy WarZoom is huge skill issue

visual tendon
glad plume
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I don't doubt the build so much as I guess I may have missed something and would need to fix it
But, hopefully not

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It worked, though I did pick up the lighthouse/flare shells for both fleets at the start. Musashi is still getting boned somewhat, I'll have to watch closer next time and see what's actually hitting her

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That's the last fight the mob fleet was in, she's just taking enough damage that it's a bit disconcerting. Bad RNG or no lighthouse/flares and it might be a loss
Though again, if I get the full clearing DR that probably stops being an issue

visual tendon
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lighthouse is ok, flares are bad

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did she fight a three star node on zero ammo?

visual tendon
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im curious about boss dmg

lucid fog
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safe threat is another 20?% damage boost for your ships

glad plume
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I'll try to screenshot it next time

warm brook
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more like 20% dmg reduction

visual tendon
warm brook
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oh right forgot that

glad plume
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That's no flares/no lighthouse/ 5/5 ammo
But considering auto-clearing is the goal that does seem like what it's supposed to be

visual tendon
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i was kinda thinking that fdg should wear rudder FE DunktsukiStare

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but thought it was fine

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whatever

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make her more defensive

glad plume
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She's currently got rudder/admiralty-fire-control-thing

glad plume
visual tendon
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meh, she's already wearing a twin and vanny is on triple

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so put rudder FE

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on fdg

glad plume
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FE?

visual tendon
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fire extinguisher

glad plume
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Gotcha

stable ingot
visual tendon
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visual tendon
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ok

stable ingot
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imma just record once its outta ammo

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fights with ammo yall know how itll go

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sashi will just murk everything

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@glad plume forgot to tell you, dont pick up flares

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it changes the target priority of enemies and will fuck with your clear

glad plume
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glad plume
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Boss fleet

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glad plume
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At this point I've just been sending the mob fleet (w/flares+ammo+lighthouse) at the boss after the boss fleet dies, and it wins ๐Ÿ—ฟ
Even coming in with lower HP

stable ingot
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bro i knew the mob fleet isnt the issue @lucid fog @visual tendon

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lmao

lucid fog
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it was

glad plume
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Okay, except this time where it lost due to Musashi redirecting all the backline damage at herself

lucid fog
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we fixed it

glad plume
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Aaand now I'm out of oil so I can't actually test any changes

warm brook
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yeah the fleet worked when Musashi was off flag lamo

glad plume
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That also applies to this current mob fleet
Any time it has died, it's Musashi eating every attack

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Not in the actual mob battles, but if the boss fleet faceplants and they have to do it, then that's what does it in

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visual tendon
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not like bbs automatically retarget the other ships DunktsukiStare

glad plume
visual tendon
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i've been sussing some things out but

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i thought the mob and boss fleets had more tolerance ngl

lucid fog
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not like a fire automatically jumps to another ship and leaves musashi alone DunktsukiStare

warm brook
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yeah even if it wasn't at safe yet I thought they would be fine

stable ingot
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hold up uploading

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i think its difference in aquila

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it worked for me but

visual tendon
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ofc it is DunktsukiStare

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aquila and musa is sooooo different to volga

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luo pls

stable ingot
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it still worked for me, nobody sinked after doing every battle

stable ingot
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uni is just worse at keeping musashi alive

visual tendon
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@glad plumeill make u my testing guinea pig
ill suggest something else DunktsukiStare

glad plume
visual tendon
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yea so tomorrow

glad plume
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Man, all this effort just to grind a ship I'm never going to actually use

warm brook
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hey I did the entire grind on manual I don't know what you're complaining about lol

glad plume
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Yes but I'm lazy

stable ingot
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ill run it myself first and record

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also dont pick flares

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they bad

lucid fog
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also nerf your tech luo

glad plume
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For now I've gotta return to opsi and fix whatever horrors I've inflicted to the fleets there in the process of this

stable ingot
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This is with first

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Not really nerfed tech

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Only nerfed rld

visual tendon
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i was just tired

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of keep scrolling

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so i reply properly

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by the way

glad plume
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Gotcha, I'll change over to that
Why the rudder on Volga?

visual tendon
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because FdG does not draw aggro

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and top position bb spawn usually lives more to deal more dmg

stable ingot
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ill copy pasta this except replace brest with kron

visual tendon
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normally i wouldnt say anything about the +13s

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but that's so many +13s

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on ur shit

stable ingot
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ill use all +10s

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lol

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ik that

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even in the vid im mostly using +10s

visual tendon
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oh right only the usual important ones

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ok

visual tendon
glad plume
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I didn't check honestly

visual tendon
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ok

visual tendon
stable ingot
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other than that everything else is mostly +10

glad plume
# visual tendon ?

I'll set it to this and run that, see what happens
Should have enough oil to complete it once commissions come back

visual tendon
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hmm

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yea

glad plume
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I'm gonna guess the boss DPS uplift from Musashi's existence should be enough to do it

visual tendon
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yea

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dont do flares

stable ingot
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flares are trash

visual tendon
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lighthouse is fine tho

glad plume
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Alright, do they just make things worse?

stable ingot
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ye

visual tendon
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they change targetting prio

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flares targetting prio is shit for backline focus

glad plume
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Ahh, alright
Guessing that's why Sendai never came up as a recommended ship despite her being uniquely suited to W14 on paper

stable ingot
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oh no its just that sendai is shit

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lmao

visual tendon
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ship flares operate differently to w14 flares

stable ingot
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sendai is different

visual tendon
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oh

stable ingot
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no i mean sendai is just shit

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her flares are trash

glad plume
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Y'know, I've met people in other places than here who were in the "FDG needs fate sim, NJ is way too much powercreep" camp back in around Feb/Mar 2022 when I started
I never saw that with Musashi even though she's got even more damage output, raw stats, and skills that make her really important for tons of niche compositions dentCat

stable ingot
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and it works differently than the map flares

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# visual tendon ?

i dont think sandy is needed here since you arent running rockets, ill try this setup real quick

visual tendon
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surface dps

glad plume
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oh i prefer kaza then PortDoll

visual tendon
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i suggested emden before but cheeky thought that emden bad asw

glad plume
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That's the last mob clear before the boss spawns, no ammo/lighthouse

stable ingot
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since kaza reduce out of ammo debuff

visual tendon
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that's rudder fire extinguisher?

warm brook
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she has 92 ASW at 125 Emden

visual tendon
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also, testing autosearch before safe is kinda DunktsukiStare too hard

stable ingot
glad plume
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nono dont give up

visual tendon
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not manual

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just take the ammo

glad plume
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Same auxes as recommended here

warm brook
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Sandy has more than double that and resepctable DPS

glad plume
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Well, manual as in lighthouse/ammo then back to auto-search

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visual tendon
warm brook
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ok this has gotten me curious

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I'll to a run myself with that comp

visual tendon
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im also really curious

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i wonder what's happening

stable ingot
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@glad plume try dis

visual tendon
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this originally failed

stable ingot
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nah i need to see if kaza

visual tendon
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with musashi over fdg

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originally this is with musashi

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fdg dont soak as many shells

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see what happens

warm brook
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I'll do a run if you want

visual tendon
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are you thinking that it's ok for cvs to soak WarZoom

warm brook
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I have 14-4 on safe already though

stable ingot
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14-3 has lethal still right

warm brook
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yep

glad plume
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Had to clear a mob with boss, gonna try running the boss with it even with the lower HP
After this I will have single-digit oil XDcat

stable ingot
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tho granted it was safe

visual tendon
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safe is 20% dmg buff compared to other threats

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so

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too different

warm brook
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yeah and +20% dmg dealt

glad plume
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Also, Musashi was on about 33% HP from just one 2-star mob so I yet agains wapped her off of the middle slot
Why not Yorktown II as the flag? Waltzing Beyond Tragedy lowers her detection gauge and The Fighting Lady gives her a heal, the BBs should hopefully be higher priority targets

stable ingot
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fair

glad plume
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The vanguard fleet died anyway so it doesn't matter dentCat

stable ingot
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for mobbing

visual tendon
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hmmm

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i wonder about that

stable ingot
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like if you run 1 healer and tryna autosearch itll be kinda pain

visual tendon
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his vanguard is acceptable tanky

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i was thinking shinano would do better

glad plume
stable ingot
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yeah fuck it doesnt work for me neither

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i didnt realize how big of a diff aquila and pr5 would be

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i mean in hindsight like, ply is the strongest dps in frontline and ye

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aquila has her big ass shield

glad plume
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I would say I'm farming cortisol drops from W14-4 but that would require me to actually clear it

stable ingot
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or is your fleet dying even with ammo

glad plume
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Yep, once I actually have oil that should work
Still not sure if it'll clear the boss

warm brook
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so I guess this fleet wasn't overkill then

visual tendon
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apparently not

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did you just test that on lethal autosearch

warm brook
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14-3 lethal 3 star clear

visual tendon
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mmm

stable ingot
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@warm brook this will actually work on lethal auto search

warm brook
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I had to call subs though for the last fights and pick up flares and pick up lighthouse

stable ingot
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i just didnt realize how fucking big aquila brest and ply is

visual tendon
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luo

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that's really

stable ingot
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i thought you could substitute them with uh normal rainbows

visual tendon
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massive skill issue

stable ingot
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bro

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turns out you cant substitute them with normal rainbows

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pr5 is fucking mandatory

glad plume
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I bet my dev.4 Plymouth will be able to do it, just gotta believe in her

warm brook
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thank you guys for ruining my equips by the way

glad plume
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It be like that

visual tendon
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huh, ok

spiral warren
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๐Ÿ‘€ jeez we are still one this?

visual tendon
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yes

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because these normally strong fleets

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are actually dying

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in warspite's runs and ours

stable ingot
spiral warren
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and aquila + volga too

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aquila is fucking mandatory

visual tendon
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wildin

spiral warren
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At this point if you manual search you would be at safe already

stable ingot
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you cant substitute ply and brest and aquila

visual tendon
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but that is lame ghost

stable ingot
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ye but where muh challenge

glad plume
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Y'know, now that I think of it, I probably should've screenshotted the equips on my META fleet setups before completely obliterating them

visual tendon
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screenshot?

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you can save the equip layout ingame

glad plume
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That would also work, I've never even used that function

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Aight, I think that's proof it's set up well enough to run on auto
Plus, map is cleared to safe
Thanks for the help, now the Nola grind begins