W14 fleetbuilding

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just have been too lazy and i would rather have direct guidance rather than doing research for an optimal fleet. (also i dont really play opsi so i dont have access to everything)

i have more ships and i also have 1400 xp packs so if there is someone that would be nice to have/use, i can level them up

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Do you have volga?

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i do

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Mob: fdg, uni, volga, jervis, shima and yukikaze maybe

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volga's third ability isnt leveled, still usable?

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For boss, just use nj, vang, musashi, agir/kron, kita and ancho

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Prob, the only important is heal though

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do i need to move anyone around or equip anything special on anyone? i hear subs are an issue in world 14

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Perfect, you can also use haku, shinano in boss with musa

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probably what i will do. those two are my goto for most endgame content

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Use uhh, hedgehog and asw planes

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asw planes? are those in the aux slots or actual plane slots. unfamiliar with them

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Aux

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and does it matter who holds the hedgehog?

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Thats for DD mobs

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sorry i meant the individual ship

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Just put it on jervis

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ok everything is just about ready i think. thank you very much for the help. anything special i should do in the stage? like formation/prioritizing enemy types? or the mechanic that i kind of forgot about up until just now

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Lighthouse first then here ya go

Just be careful to 3 star DD/BB? those suicide boats might kill ur backline

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sounds good. thanks once again

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Ok,no problem, hope u clear em

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Inaccurate, but strong enough

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musashi Volga uni Kronshtadt Kita yuudachi
FdG Vanguard Aquila Anchorage Shima Drake
What dev level is agir?

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27 or so. fleet the other lad gave me seems to be working well so far.

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on 14-1 14-2?

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14-2. need one more clear for 100%

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the fleet spawns are far easier on early 14

musashi and fdg are strong enough but

you arent using the strongest fleets

still subject to lethal rng 14-4

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mob fleet takes almost no damage most of the time, when they do they seem to be repaired within one or two nodes. but ya i can try switching people out. which fleet is what?

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This has swaps for both fleets

volga Uni is mobbing

I think Shinano is stronger than Volga for this comp but

I not positive

probably just shinano actually

test it for me

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i'll give it a go. one sec

everyone in the correct place?

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Shinano in top position, Yuudachi for offtank, Vanguard in top position

else good

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mkay

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not sure how your gearing is, but gist of it is

the good AP BB guns, Hedgehog on Yuudachi and ASW auxes on uni

and healmode Aquila

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generally everything i have is only +10 and the few UR gears i have are from the events and PR research. aside from that like only shinano and hakuryuu and nagato have +12 and +13 things and gear lab things are minimal.

if you want i can send the individual shipgirl's gears or just use the fleetbuilder thing

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either or works

maybe volga on lethal is better than shinano

and kron drake swap

but that's just a maybe

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so far everything seems to be okay. though in this run i didnt get any of the big bb fleets so, hard to say for sure.

about to do boss after this..

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with new fleet? mmk

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the hard part of W14 testing is zero ammo triple bb nodes

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boss done with 1:38 left. aquila and vang almost died though, when musashi was on boss she was almost died each time so meh.

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14-2 boss is extremely high backline pressure

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btw, does staying within the flare mess with the backline too or is it just the vanguard?

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enemy flares only mess with frontline

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oh thats good to know

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allied flare procs mess with backline targetting

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it's pretty standard in W14 to use rudder backline

Another issue is probably your lack of staggered CDs

yeah that's probably what's happening

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never got into any of the timings or anything that deep. always just equip this and that and try using/doing this over that

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it's nothing huge on timings

just dont have them fire all at once

HPFCR on vanny for example when wearing the same gun as fdg

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14-3 boss is light armored

so have one of fdg or vanny wear HE gun

probably not both, someone needs to kill BBs

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ya vang has one on already. oh ya i forgot to ask. the uhhh one sec let me remember the name of the gun

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457? mk7?

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yep

should i just use that on fdg for now?

shes got the 406 on rn

not +13 or anything

was 14-2 boss heavily armored? didnt realize but i was using two HE guns and still did ok

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14-2 was heavy, yes

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which one

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woops

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twin 457 on fdg is gud

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not cool enough to have multiple yet so she doesnt have her own yet unfortunately

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nagato isnt even best with 457

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i just use it with her because the fleet i use her with seems to do well against the meta bosses (nagato shinano hakuryuu agir kazagumo helena)

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musashi would be stronger at that point

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maybe. just been using it since the start of the game and have been tweaking things every now and then. anyway, uhh anything i should know about 14-3?

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light armored boss

one ap one he bb

ASW required in mobs

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got it

ok well yeah things are not going well. maybe its because i forgot about the lighthouse? do the flare shells matter that much also?
anyways heres what happened, in the mob musashi and unicorn are taking too much damage and frontline is on the halfway point after 6 fleets even after trying to stall with uni.
boss: aquila died around 10 seconds after the boss spawned and then the frontline died around 20 seconds into the boss (give or take) (using anchorage and kron)

subs seemed to be doing a lot of the damage for the mob, but for the boss i honestly dont even know, there was way too much on the screen to even tell what actually happened

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ok, so

you are using hedgehog and two asw planes right

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only one and i bought it this month so i cant get another right now through core data

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mob vanguard being at only half HP is no issue

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well unicorn and musashi were at around 10% each with 5 or so more nodes to go

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for lethal full clear?

https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/ could u use this

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ya one sec

for both mob and boss?

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yea

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something like this

Drake is FS5 right?

well, volga doesnt need rudder

i revise

but not that much

what main gun were you using on musashi originally?

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everything is here. i mostly use the tierlist for all of the eq on my ships also, im just now seeing that aquila has rudder, i did not notice that until just now putting this together

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vanguard prefers a triple gun

BB aux guns need to be strengthened

frontline gear is all fine

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drake is FS3 btw

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shiinano/volga prefers parallel torps

ok, drake stays in mob frontline then

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yeah i noticed the tracking ones were not really working very well

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swap shinano for voga

yeah you mostly have backline equip issues

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this is what volga has atm

also which gun would you recommend for vanguard?

im not using the 406 right now for anything.

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406mk6

406mle for 14-4

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definitely not rockets

just typical 2x1000lb or 2x500lbdowngrade fighters

and give shima double toolbox

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406mk6 and 406mle?
and yea sure

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yeah, those two are choices for vanny

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idk what they are is what i meant lol

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give kita double toolbox as well

and drake one toolbox

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replacing beaver or washing machine

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purple triple he gun, pr3 gold ap gun

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replacing beaver

beaver to kron over toolbox

cos boss doesnt use toolkit well

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quint gold mags are bad

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what should i use in their place?

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quad gold mags or

quint UR mag

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mkay.

anything else need changing?

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aside from general upgrades, I dont think so

kita and yuudachi are on double toolbox

well

maybe kita should war purple depth charge

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that would mean dropping hedgehog

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i meant shima

kita and shima

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ya

i can try using depth charge though

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can you upgrade your bb aux guns

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yeah, one hedge one depth charge one asw plane

should be close to enough

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like past +10 or to a better gun

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better guns

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let me update rq

probably forgot stuff

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forgot kita depth charge aquila rudder kron beaver

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oh yep a lotta things

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these 155 wide spreads are bad for W14 intercept

sorry, i shouldve been clear on the upgrades

these need to intercept high HP rammer boats

aquila parallels are also better than converging

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how can i tell if they're converging or parallel?

besides just using them

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the payload torpedos are named, but they arent named parallel or converging

so uh

just ask ig

or look ingame

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its just the torpedo bomber right?

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mmm?

yeah it depends on the torpedo bomber

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can i use this?

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yes

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perfect

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equivalent to barracuda surface dmg

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ok got everything ready to go so imma try it again

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oh, you're supposed to reset bad rng nodes

musashi is incredibly resistant to rng

but you shouldnt let your boss fleet die

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well i was not aware of that

this is after 6th node again. i had defense formation on tho so that was probably why. also a lot of large fleets

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OH

oh

you didnt put rudder on musashi

i didnt spot that

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do i still need it on volga too?

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nope

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ok

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it wasnt even on

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it was i just forgot to update it

should i bother with the single heavy shell or should i replace it?

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on musa, black shell + rudder is fine

did you complete boss node yet

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ya although shimakaze almost immediately died during boss again

she ended up surviving long enough to do enough damage so im happy with that

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normally i would recommend JdA, but you dont have

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jda?

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jeanne d'arc

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i do but yeah shes level 70 or so

and only 500 packs i think? i dont think its enough

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just keep on clearing for now

ngl

well

nah rudder musashi is good enough

i almost said FE rudder

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wait

jda is 110

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needs 120

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though her abilities are 6 and 7 so yeah maybe not.

another time i suppose.

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mm

the goal is 14-4

post ur next mob fleet hp finish too pls

i curious

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will do.

got to 7th node this time

are there spawns that are all just small and medium?

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tbh i saw a ton of gearing downgrades, but i didnt think it was this bad

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not on 14-3 and 14-4

the average spawn changes

the skill son both of these current fleets are maxed, right?

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that was with like 4 large fleets (not bb)

yeah

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could you add in the equip changes

here once

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give me a moment

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are you calling subs?

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i usually only use them on large nodes and boss

in that last run i had 3/6 left

mostly trying to save for other large nodes since im trying to use the smaller nodes to heal

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mmm

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i might just be playing the actual game wrong too. im hanging in the back between my backline and the flare most of the time. when im not, i move up every now and then to try and hurt the subs/use torpedos on humanoids/bbs

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are you manualling?

i'd thought you were autoing

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im not autoing

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give auto a try and see the clears

spread the dps out more

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sure thing

sometimes auto knows how to play better than i do lol

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and aquila still using convergings

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saiun kai?

sorry im really bad at taking information, there is quite a lot to keep track of and remember

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um

yeah, aquila is using converging tbs rn

in w14 boss nodes, parallel is best

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when you were mentioning it earlier i assumed you were referring to volga. my bad

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both should be using parallel

im really lazy with describing equips, mb

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its okay

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you're using far stronger ships than me with worse results

maybe you are just manualling poorly

give auto a try

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trying auto right now

after 6th or 7th node 4 large bb fleets with 2/6 sub left fully autoing

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wow

and drake didnt die

by the by

I think shinano would clear the BB threats better than volga

I dont know how this particular vanguard interacts with that

it's totally reasonable that volga is the only thing keeping you afloat as well

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its hard to say. i lose a lot of healing with volga gone but i make up the healing for the damage with shinano

the boss was flawless though atleast. no deaths

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are you using double line on both fleets?

or circular

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double for mob and i think normal for boss?

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try double line both

mmm, ok i got it

I would say your shinano isnt well geared enough

keep on volga

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this is what i have on her. no wyvern so yeah probably just gonna stick w volga

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um, steal the tenrai

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put it on who?

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volga

since aquila changes her skills with a divebomber

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i also have a +12 sea hornet, whos it best on?

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um

unicorn

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Is uh, volga launch at the same time as musashi?

Like once or twice in battle

If they sometime launch at the same time, put a homing beacon on volga

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havent been paying attention. never learned how to utilize timings

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mmm, isnt musa faster than volga

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Idk im just askin

Idk 410 timings

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17 and 21 according to this

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Try a fight or two and see if their timing overlap sometime

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i guess beacon volga reduces overlap

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Or launch very closely together

Besides that, use submarine teams on fights out of ammo @safe geode

If you take a bb node out of ammo without subs you are gonna take Ls

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large fleets only or medium and large? or just all

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any zero ammo node

and triple BBs if you have spare sub calls

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Bb nodes specifically are the ones with the battleship icon

Tho ya all fights outta ammo should take subs preferably

And if you are trying to lethal 3 star you pray to god theres no bb nodes out of ammo

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i have stronger gear but, tbh i expected more from these better ships

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I also dont like kitakaze dmg

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drakebad

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Kitakaze when i used her just feel weaker than the ddgs

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he does have chang suzut

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Ye chang should work

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Also put augment on ships mang

They help a lot

Well its extra stats

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no $$$$

event stole it all

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You can wait yk, w14 isnt running away

If you fight and lose you be just wasting oil

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he already had successful runs on 14-3

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well yeah just saying thats the only reason i dont have em on

i need to waste oil. i have like 15 mails i need to get rid of tbh

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Okay

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mails are hoard

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Oh wait u forgot to mention, you can put converging tb on the cvs

Thar should help with bb nodes

Try that

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i didnt really like it that much

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i dont actually need to waste it, but ive got plenty to spare. im not worried about it

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It worked for me when i tested marco but ig musashi diff

Musashi has better st dmg

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free to test convergings vs bbs tho

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Just run one or two fights on bb nodes

See who dies first and the cause of death

Like if you take dmg bc your fleet cant clear the bbs fast enough, it means you lack st dmg and converging should help

If volga launch too close to musashi at times it means stagger is bad

Just watch out for those 2

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bbs do linger a bit

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Ye try converging then

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is an shan better than chang chun or are they pretty much the same. i have both retro'd but chang is 120 and an is 110

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use chang and be lazy

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Chang works

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an shan would be better solo, technically

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I like any of them more than kita

Kita feel whack

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i could give that a try after this i guess

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Ayo cad, what if i run nj on w14 mobbing for more st dmg @random widget and cover the aoe with cvs

Yk day 1 cn strat

That sounds fun to test

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i might need a delay, volga tends to get her cd done not even a second after uni does hers. unless thats a good thing

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Thats a good thing if they dont all launch closely with eachother

You want them to launch apart from eachother

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nono im saying as soon as uni launches her volga gets her back, and musashi's is about 2 or 3 seconds before uni's

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Oh thats bad, put a homing beacon on volga

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also not quite sure what happened but fleet almost died during 4th node this time. maybe its cuz i wasnt using subs idk

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Thats cuz w14 is horribly unbalanced between bb nodes and sub nodes

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rng moment?

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Sub nodes are easy af if you have the proper asw gears (which you do)

Bb nodes are always a pain in the ass

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You can tell them apart from their icon

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i only hit one that time and it was a small one so i dont understand

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So you can purposefully avoid more bb nodes if you want easier time

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btw, should i put converging on both or just volga/uni

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Try both

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if you had wyverns, the conversation wouldnt be about convergings really

but you dont

so may as well try it

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Also dis is the bb node

One below it is the sub node

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i know

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Just making sure

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ok well

the ships that spawn near the backline, i cant seem to destroy them quick enough. even when im manually battling and saving a torpedo for them they either eat my frontline or just take a big chunk of my backline

they're kinda like the bombers just not as quick and they're more tanky. u probably know which one im referring to

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Oh the suicide ships with the big ass shield that can 2 shot a perseus from full hp

Ye those actually need your bbs to have good aux gun

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yeah those ones

musashi with a +10 triple 155 isnt good enough?

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You need to do enough frontline damage in combination with backline aux

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hmmm

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Ik 155 kai is better

Than 155

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picture?

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155 kai is the thing you craft from 155 in gear lab

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oh yeah i dont play opsi enough so i dont have very much gear stuff

cant craft it currently

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Ah fuck, you tried converging yet?

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is it even worth trying world 14 if i dont play opsi?

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How bout chang chun

She working better than kita?

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It helps, shouldnt make or break a run, but it helps

Like those little gear upgrades stack up

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doesnt really seem like it. idk if the 5 level difference from 125 to 120 really affects her much

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From augment, to using staag, to using gear lab gear

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Its a 10% damage/defense difference from 120 to 125

Every level difference in this game is 2% more dmg and 2% more defense

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but, for well prepped people, w14 only needs 120s

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i feel like i might just be doing something really dumb

im doing all of the large fleets first, not counting the fleet in the way of the lighthouse. after i activate the lighthouse i try and do all of the BB nodes first and then the sub ones. should i grab the flare thing while doing it? does it matter that much? anyways, if i can make it past all of the large fleets any of the other fleets usually kill me anyway

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no, some people here dont like grabbing flares at all

but lighthouse is beneficial

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I dont like flares ye

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probably overthinking it. going to take a bit of a break. if anyone has anything to say or ideas feel free to @ me about it.

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sounds good

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Also make sure your formation is in the one that boost evasion

It helps

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i checked with him on that earlier

it gud