Haio guide talk

[mighty lodge]

ok yuki

so anyways, vanguard damage is worth more in the earlygame remember

[fiery lion]

is that so?

[mighty lodge]

i think so

[fiery lion]

do you want edit perms for the guide?

[mighty lodge]

decide about it mr. guide man

[steep delta]

yes my helena do most of the work

[fiery lion]

i mean i trust you so

[mighty lodge]

I don't want edit perms, i'd need to test the shit that im saying

but i do know that early-midgame mob clears are frail enough that vanguard can push waves outside backline timing

[fiery lion]

anyways here's the guide https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q38qA4PEaR9iDuz3x-kQfO7j_agBeofu/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=112866220658525721744&rtpof=true&sd=true

[fiery lion]

yeah that's what i was thinking but i get varying answers

some says backline dmg over vg

some says otherwise

[mighty lodge]

uni and indep are god tier because mobs are frail enough that they clear like two additional waves on their on retrofits on the same timing

so i get it

[full nova]

aaaaaaaa

[mighty lodge]

but retrofits are just about always post MLB

[full nova]

just make the text wrap. or even better, combine all 4 row into 1

[mighty lodge]

nagami

what's retro bp droprate for newbies

can they even do partial retros well while farming for MLB

[full nova]

100% by doing 3 star missions

[mighty lodge]

[full nova]

nobody knows the drop rate

[mighty lodge]

cost, availability, place in progression*

blegh

just give high cost and low cost retros

[fiery lion]

yeah i'm also thinking about that

[mighty lodge]

the best retros of the cheap rarities vs the best of the more expensive

[fiery lion]

but decided not to in consideration of resource efficiency

[mighty lodge]

cos uni is objectively a bit expensive

[fiery lion]

this is harder than i thought XD

i was also thinking of separating backline and frontline retrofits

[mighty lodge]

only cos im making it harder, you can choose to ignore some things in a guide

[fiery lion]

nah i'll consider those suggestions

[mighty lodge]

like, replaceability of the ships is another staying factor

shrop is just another dps ship, so could be low prio

even tho she's a strong retro

[fiery lion]

yeah i feel like i'm still on the right track not considering her as high priority, maybe i'm just putting those that are long lastingly great

[tiny summit]

is shropshire retro a discount london retro?

[fiery lion]

coz after you get someone better than shrop she just gets benched unlike uni or indep

[mighty lodge]

yup

[tiny summit]

ah

[mighty lodge]

let me test juneau vs sandy real quick

by real quick i mean later today

[tiny summit]

not that high a priority since the big three retrofit

[fiery lion]

keep in mind this is for newbies so

[tiny summit]

ngl she isn't that bad now

[fiery lion]

i'm a bit skeptical about Juneau

[mighty lodge]

some people compared juneau to prinz eugen but

eugen was using 234, which is amazing on avg dps

tho jun was on tashgun

[fiery lion]

like what's her use aside from aa

[mighty lodge]

mgm+1

which is alot less dmg than sandy

but reasonably cheap

[fiery lion]

can she mob tank?

[random pond]

lol no

[mighty lodge]

idk if she can offtank

[fiery lion]

hmm i would've placed her higher

[mighty lodge]

similar stats to sandy but bit lower on everything

might be able to offtank but really bad luck

[fiery lion]

since in this guide i valued backline dmg over vg then after that just vangaurd tankiness

[mighty lodge]

only has more rld and asw than sandy

[fiery lion]

maybe take all good backline retrofits first then line up all your vg suggestions?

there's like few backline retros no?

[mighty lodge]

yama/fusou half, hyuuga/ise full

like ranger

[fiery lion]

hmm

[mighty lodge]

and they arent so long staying to put off starter portkai i think

[fiery lion]

i'd go only for hyuuga then

[mighty lodge]

backline dmg matters more than vanguard when you have the best backliners vs best vanguard

[fiery lion]

she's like the strongest among all of them right

[mighty lodge]

p much

ur forgetting that backliners early are also weak

[terse quarry]

Yeah but I kind of wouldnt retro her for beginners

Losing an aux gun for beginners kinda hurts em

[fiery lion]

that's true

[mighty lodge]

best thing for players is usually to one fleet

maybe that flavors good retros a bit

[fiery lion]

maybe it really is better to just separate backline and vanguard retros

then just make a 'retrofit priority tree' showing the recommended order of retrofit for newbs

[mighty lodge]

is port even early prio

btwn onefleet and phoenix and being bad to raise before retro

[fiery lion]

i just kind of go with what people said

but surely she's highest prio for vg retro right?

[mighty lodge]

how earlygame is this guide

is this post full mlb or what

[fiery lion]

like fresh account

[mighty lodge]

ah

wouldnt put port retro early prio

but high prio

if u can convey that then i think the guide is more complete

[fiery lion]

[mighty lodge]

is portland retro a starter mission

am i janking

[random pond]

fresh accounts can't even retrofit common ships

[mighty lodge]

that was a big problem i had with this lel

idk if they have resources to MLB

[fiery lion]

I'mma go for now, it's 23:00 for me. I'll comeback here tomorrow, I'll take your advices in consideration.

[random pond]

you only want a few nodes on port retro tree for rookie missions

[mighty lodge]

I could pretty easily help wjth a retro guide for a midgame full mlb player

it's clear what they can work on at that point

[fiery lion]

well it's not really for a fresh brand new account

prolly just an account with 0 retros

prolly for a new player wanting to know what's best value retrofit

[mighty lodge]

individual nodes arent high value

i feel like the starting point is wrong

[clever copper]

im a new player