Help my fleet!

[next forge]

Hi. So i'm gonna send my dock here.

[silk steeple]

what content?

[autumn vortex]

you have no battleships...

no heavy cruisers either.

[next forge]

Wait. I sort for DD, CL and CV only :(((
Here are my full fleet :(((

[silk steeple]

was about to say, quite impossible to have no portland lol

[wary tendon]

1st: stop mass pulling light pool, save your cube for event banner

[silk steeple]

now what content?

[wary tendon]

2nd: turn off sorting

show us what BB you got

[silk steeple]

he did show his bb

[wary tendon]

[silk steeple]

so what content?

[arctic valley]

you got good ships and you already got akagi, thats some newbie luck right there, but it seems like your neglecting your backline, early game vanguard ships seems to dominate the battle but you'll notice later that you'll struggle because of your weak backline

[wary tendon]

am i blind or something?

[silk steeple]

well he posted another set of pictures

[autumn vortex]

lock your ships btw

[arctic valley]

get yourself some ssr battleships and heavy cruisers

[silk steeple]

hes got rossiya roma

[wary tendon]

belou or soviet?
still cant see

[arctic valley]

also i'll recommend raising enterprise, volga, unicorn and sandy(they will carry you real hard later) then you can raise essex, saratoga pamiat chapayev and helena(retrofit if you can) later as your secondary objective

[autumn vortex]

Mob: Gangut, Volga, Unicorn, Portland, Laffey, St. Lewdis

Boss: Bismarck, Dork, Enterprise, Kronshtadt, Javelin, An Shan

[wary tendon]

mob: roma unicorn volga kron javellin st louis
boss: prince of wale enty essex portland helena sandy anshan

[autumn vortex]

strong consideration given to lack of bulins

[wary tendon]

would run sandy but she needed 6 more gold bullin to be useful

same with other vanguard, that non max limit break, they are low on priority list

max limit break one ship as a time and back line > frontline

you can farm dupe for rare/elite or purple bullin so that will be easier

kron use rainbow bullin so it just only took time

[arctic valley]

di he got those ships or he ask for help earlier with those ships mentioned?

[wary tendon]

he got those shipi

[autumn vortex]

they are all in the dock

[arctic valley]

[autumn vortex]

bismarck and dork are LB2 already

[wary tendon]

stiill useless

[arctic valley]

lmao then he should've showed us his whole collection

[autumn vortex]

Roma is LB0

[wary tendon]

rather grind roma up than use bismarck or dork

[arctic valley]

[wary tendon]

he showed

the image just doesnt load

[arctic valley]

roma bootleg vittorio but still better than bismarck and dork

[wary tendon]

i needed to use the search bar to see the image

depend on cases

[autumn vortex]

I'd rather not. You need Bismarck eventually for Odin and stuff anyway. You're going to keep them bottled up at LB0 chasing some meta that doesn't exist for them.

[wary tendon]

for campaign roma just straight up better and more general

[autumn vortex]

I'd rather have MLB Bismarck and Dork and Gangut then MLB Roma plus 0LB trash

[wary tendon]

you going to throw away durk in w11 and up

bismarck want kms bb and cant mob properly

also she good

but 0 ammo impact her

[arctic valley]

bro trust me, ib fleet is more functional without bismarck

[silk steeple]

that bismark is not mlb either , she is not worth the investment

[next forge]

At the very moment, I'm building Roma and I'm also waiting for coins to retro Ayanami. Is that ok?

[autumn vortex]

keep using capped 0LB ships. see how that turns out

2LB is significantly better than 0LB

[wary tendon]

retro javellin instead

[arctic valley]

bismarck buff seems nice but thats it, her dps will weigh down the whole purpose of putting her in the ib fleet

[wary tendon]

the thing is

i rather use 4 bullin on roma
than use 2 bullin on other

cause roma fucking slap

[silk steeple]

ill rather limitbreak roma then spending more bulins on a niche ship he will never use, if you want to gridn fdg in the future you will be using other ironbloods

[autumn vortex]

Like Gneis and Scharn? lovely suggestions

Odin? Yes

[wary tendon]

why you are using pr for reason

that so fucking weak

oh bismarck is weak

[arctic valley]

retro pamiat or laffey, preferably laffey because shes got a smooth dps and she also got that unique aux

[wary tendon]

wait just use her with a ship he dont have

[autumn vortex]

I never gave that as a reason. The two fo you or three are having wet dreams

[wary tendon]

and roma is better than odin

in generall

well it 50//50

but imagine research pr3

[arctic valley]

why is this turning into ww3

[silk steeple]

this early wasting bulins on bismark is such a fking waste, he wont get to grind even fdg for a while

[autumn vortex]

wasting xp is 0LB ships is even worse

[next forge]

I'm researching Saint Louis. OK?

[wary tendon]

he have 4 gold bullin

and he can get morme

well he would priotize enty first

[arctic valley]

@autumn vortex bro lemme ask, how long have you been playing al?

[silk steeple]

spending on bismark is literally hampering his progress when he has a much better offlag he can use

[autumn vortex]

let's take minus's fleet suggestion. 17 bulins for MLB

they have 4

nice suggestion

[autumn vortex]

so you're gatekeeping nice

[wary tendon]

imagine wasting bullin on bismarck dork and other tho

[silk steeple]

well lets look at your suggestions

[wary tendon]

and he dont have to run 2 fleet

he can run 1 fleet for now

[autumn vortex]

4 bulins to have good fleets today. Not in 3 months

[wary tendon]

somethiing like
roma volga unicorn + 3 vanguard

[arctic valley]

im sincerely asking tho? why the toxicity?

[silk steeple]

imagine investing in fking gangut to a newbie

[wary tendon]

fucking easily get up to w8-9

and getting more gold bullin

[autumn vortex]

great idea. saves bulins and wasting xp on 0LB ships

[next forge]

Well, I'm building fleet 2 for events and Hard only :)))

[wary tendon]

no i hate you for recommending useless ship like dork and bismarck

where they not going to get use in w12 w13

[silk steeple]

not to mention gangut 🙂

[wary tendon]

maybe the same to prince of whale

could use pennsy over her tbh

[autumn vortex]

tell me how pow isn't a fucking waste

[silk steeple]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbguide i suggest looking at this site @next forge

[next forge]

No. N and R ships that you see is that I keep them just for fun :)))

[wary tendon]

peusdo preload + buff uss cv

[autumn vortex]

right and you're going to use this in your mythical 13

[silk steeple]

you keep mentioning limitbreak , you can legit grab a soveska rossiya to mlb and have much better porgress

[silk steeple]

well i guess you havent done 13 but yes its a viable fleet

[autumn vortex]

yep another gatekeeper flashing their dock around

just you left minus

[arctic valley]

bro this statement is funny af, imagine telling newbies to raise these ships than a more recent op ship, if you can't even tell powercreep is dominant in al then idk what is

[silk steeple]

gatekeep what, if you havent gotten the experience its impossible to help others,

flat truth, whats on paper is diffrent from reality buddy

[wary tendon]

@next forge
for now just run 1 fleet to save on resource and not spreading gear too much
somethhing like
roma unicorn volga anshan javllin st louis
and slowly save up bullin, gold bullin for 2nd fleet :shii

[arctic valley]

yes now we're turning actual experience as gate keeping? yeah go ahead

[arctic valley]

trueeeeeeeee

[silk steeple]

also slowly save up for independence as she is fking busted

[wary tendon]

tbh

he have essex enty

unicorn volga

indep dont have a slot tbh

[arctic valley]

she have, if she use triple uss cv

[silk steeple]

independence hits much harder then volga, slowly he caan also transition to a unicorn volga indepenecen setup for w13

[arctic valley]

essex enty and indep for boss ig

[wary tendon]

you want a BB still

if he can get monarch, he dont have to run prince of whale

[silk steeple]

not in 13, pure aa

[wary tendon]

in w13 you still want a BB for dmg

enemy have high avi res

[silk steeple]

boss yes , mob no

[next forge]

Is building Eugen a bad choice?

[silk steeple]

he has roma, gonna be fine

[silk steeple]

invest in portland, eugen is bad bad

[autumn vortex]

it's done though. not like you can take it back. you can scrap the dupes for dock space though

[arctic valley]

yeah shes a waste, even after they change how her skill works shes still a worse buffer compared to other faction buffer only elizabeth beat her to that title, lets not even talk about her dps

[wary tendon]

kinda yea
she give decent amount of kms tech so keep here around

[next forge]

Welp, looks like I've made a terrible mistake....

[silk steeple]

unless she is your favorite ship ever, you can build her in the future when you can afford it

[silk steeple]

she is still super tanky, keep her around

[wary tendon]

everyone here have 120 eugen dont worry
dont worry
gold bullin is not hard to get

just took time

check your medal shop and merit shop if have the currency to

[next forge]

I want to keep An Shan in the backline so is there anymore options?
Maybe Garibaldi?

[wary tendon]

graibaldi is good

but anshan needed to be front

[silk steeple]

ddgs are horrible in the backline

[arctic valley]

shes a bad backliner, better keep her as vanguard

[silk steeple]

unless you are running a 18 and below oil cost fleet for special event not worth

[arctic valley]

even monitor ships beat her in actual dps if shes put in backline

[next forge]

Time to take Bismarck's gears off and give them to s.o else!

[silk steeple]

Don’t forget to get Roma to mlb asap

[arctic valley]

oh yeah we haven't given him gear tips yet

[silk steeple]

Isn’t Roma barrage pretty decent

Roma might do better then Bismarck stil

[arctic valley]

nah her barrage straight up better than bismarck

[silk steeple]

Not to mention when barrage fails she still hits real hard

[arctic valley]

@next forge hey may we concern you about your equipment

[next forge]

Oh wait can I still put Kron in the frontline?

[arctic valley]

she's 100% in frontline

i do believe she's currently your tankiest vanguard so she should always be in front

[woeful solar]

Kron is a great tank if MLB, and even if not she's still pretty strong

[next forge]

Here is my depot. For everyone who needs to help me.

[silk steeple]

Not the worse set of gear

Not the best either

[arctic valley]

keep those toolkits and those hellcats and corsairs

[woeful solar]

/equip I'd recommend looking at this. Nerzza's guide is good

[silk steeple]

Your vanguard should not be running fire controls

[woeful solar]

Wait, it didn't work in threads? Oh well, type it into #bot-spam

[autumn vortex]

yeah

[arctic valley]

also try to just enchance them up to lvl 6 only as to not waste purple plates

use those purple plates only on t3/t0 equipment

[next forge]

I just build them following my hunch :(((
Not having any researches on how to use them :(((

[arctic valley]

and mind you not all t3/0 equipment are good so keep that in mind

[woeful solar]

Gold twin 410 is T0 (T3?), for example, and literally the worst BB gun in the game

[autumn vortex]

the gear is really bad

[silk steeple]

Triple 406 he gun is one of the best guns ingame

That is worth the investment

[woeful solar]

As are purple Helldivers

[silk steeple]

Also for torps I suggest purple quad magnetic which are quite good if you don’t have gold

[woeful solar]

Triple magnetic are better aren't they?

[silk steeple]

The current meta for torps on auto are all magnetic

[silk steeple]

Not sure actually

[arctic valley]

also a tip for choosing aa guns, anything with the brand name of "bofors" is already a good pick if not the best

[silk steeple]

Also use your catapults on dps carriers

[next forge]

Twin 127 good?

[woeful solar]

Not really

[silk steeple]

One of the Best barrage BB gun

[autumn vortex]

the gold one is the best dd main gun you have

[arctic valley]

w8 what twin 127?

[silk steeple]

Ehhhh

[woeful solar]

Once you get far enough to start doing Operation Siren I'd recommend making Twin 128. Until then just use what you have

[silk steeple]

There are so many better guns then the 127

[autumn vortex]

and it's stuck on Z46 instead of An Shan?

[next forge]

1 BB or CA, 2 CVs. I'm thinking about that kind of the backline.

[woeful solar]

Z46 is a strong gunboat, so I don't have a problem with that unless she's not being used

CA is vanguard not back line

[arctic valley]

ca is vanguard tho

[autumn vortex]

That makes no sense. An Shan is fully retroed and you would nerf her with a Purple 127 because?

[next forge]

I usually use Z46 so not worry about that prob tho.

[autumn vortex]

Put your best gear on your best ships

[arctic valley]

don't worry hes not in endgame he doesn't need every bit of dps he can squeeze and if he were to get to that point then he would already have tons of better equipment

[next forge]

Between 76mm AA and Quad 40mm Bofors AA, which is better?

[wary tendon]

hammal probaly dont backread

and assume stuff

[arctic valley]

quad bofors

[arctic valley]

here better remember this

[silk steeple]

Hola

You miss out on the beginning

[arctic valley]

your late lol

[astral mason]

I missed the hot cakes

[autumn vortex]

Purple Quad Bofors is better than Purple 76 and Purple 102 but Purple 102 in particular can be fully recovered into something useful eventually.

[woeful solar]

Just because recommendations were made doesn't mean they're going to be taken. And he deleted the fleet pictures so I can't see levels or LB

[silk steeple]

Well backreading exsist, have fun

[autumn vortex]

I still see them?
#1005882660779991071 message

[woeful solar]

Weird, discord wasn't loading them then.

[arctic valley]

yeah me too haven't seen them until he pinned it

[woeful solar]

Ah, mobile Discord cuts off above a certain number of responses. Well that's dumb

[next forge]

I was waiting to retro Javelin and Ayanami. Both my coins and blueprints are not enough :(((

[silk steeple]

Not that worth ngl

[next forge]

You can still see it tho.

[arctic valley]

retro laffey instead

[silk steeple]

Laffey and z23 are superior ships

Especially laffey

[arctic valley]

it didn't appear to me before @autumn vortex posted the link

[woeful solar]

Z46 is better than either of those IMO, and An Shan is even better

[wary tendon]

well he probaly wont have z46 mlb anytime soon so :shii

[arctic valley]

[wary tendon]

and he needed to retro 1 starter for mission

[next forge]

No. I mean that mobile Discord can still see the pictures. Just click in the spaces, don't click on the name.

[arctic valley]

doubt z46 is better than laffey

[astral mason]

why do you doubt?

[woeful solar]

Yeah, I'm not sure now; my comment was in response to Jav and Ayaya

[arctic valley]

oh

sry then

[woeful solar]

It was posted a little too late though, so I could see it being confusing

[arctic valley]

[small cloak]

Laffey does far more gun damage, the only advantage of z46 is AA

[next forge]

Centaur ok?

[small cloak]

Maybe not far more but still more. Especially at low level and low tech when the fp difference is huge and z46 doesn't have AA stat

[arctic valley]

more than ok

[autumn vortex]

Why?

[arctic valley]

z46 can't even reach 100 fp raw

[next forge]

Meh. Build Unicorn instead.

[arctic valley]

better choice tbh

[silk steeple]

She is a decent carrier with a slow