might have been just the wrong time when I started watching it
#anime-manga
thorny nest
slender skiff
It's definitely one of the better isekais out there
But I'll hold my judgement on s2 till I see the full picture
Something tells me it's gonna be another index tho
thorny nest
I usually wait til I can watch 2-4 episodes on the same day
exceptions are when I know the original source
slender skiff
Literally
echo river
solid nebula
HEY HOLD ON
warm cobalt
solid nebula
Fair trade
severe grail
echo quiver
oh, dawn of the witch and second-best-girl-this-season animes were out last week
didn't realize since the crunchyroll release calendar is polluted with random dub releases
(best girl from spy x family 
)
echo quiver
nothing happens in shikimori. 
slender skiff
nothing happens in shikimori. <:Thinkpitz:470795614246928384>
It is an sol
What were you expecting
slender skiff
I mean it not that bad for a first season isn't it
Like
I dislike how the novels ended up
That's what I meant
echo quiver
even slice of life can have... something
slender skiff
I mean
echo quiver
humor, plot, idk
slender skiff
What were you expecting
I mean it has
...action scenes
It's about a guy and his girlfriend
echo quiver
boring action scenes that dont contribute much besides ||"look how cool this girl is"||
slender skiff
Who's more cool than cute
Obviously
Not much substance
Yet
Since when was the first chapter for a romcom ever really exciting
But ya
We do find out how they first met
A bit of drama
And why Shikimori feels so jealous of the other guy
echo quiver
the marin thing was pretty exciting
the sol parts of spy x family were pretty exciting
echo quiver
someone said it had sol aspects yesterday 
echo quiver
just a ||parent and daughter hanging out|| were fun to watch
||peanuts|| were great too
really hated the ||carrots|| tho
slender skiff
Shikimori is the billionth school romcom sol
grizzled acorn
Dont wanna be that guy. But so far shikimori is probably the most generic waifu bait ive seen so far
echo quiver
imo, you wouldn't lose much if you replace everything except shikimori in episode 1 with whitespace
and keep the op and ed too, i guess
slender skiff
Dont wanna be that guy. But so far shikimori is probably the most generic waifu ...
Clearly you haven't seen enough romcoms
Or harems really
It's the harems that are the worst offender
I'd say really the issue with Shikimori is that it's kinda... Just above average
I wouldn't call it excellent or anything
It takes time for it to get going
And really
It tends to be forgotten
But there really aren't many stories where the guy and girl are already dating
Or better still, married
stable herald
Dont wanna be that guy. But so far shikimori is probably the most generic waifu ...
Night, for the 2nd time. i do pity your viewpoint 
grizzled acorn
Clearly you haven't seen enough romcoms
I've seen a decent amount, most of them, yes, ive forgotten
slender skiff
While I don't think Shikimori will top your waifu list anytime soon
Or anyone's really
grizzled acorn
I said so far. Im giving it 3 episodes, a fair enough chance i think
slender skiff
It definitely won't be one that you'll forget at least
grizzled acorn
Ender, i already have friends with a shikimori pfp, i dont know about that
echo quiver
meanwhile anya 10/10 best girl of year
slender skiff
...I think trying to pit her against Marin is a bit unfair
Can we just say best child
slender skiff
But then people forget
slender skiff
Yeeeeep
echo quiver
okay, there'd be ONE competitor
slender skiff
And she's quite the force in her own right
But guys
Y'all talking about main characters
But forgot the underdogs
echo quiver
not enough screentime
grizzled acorn
Can we legally say anya is best girl?
slender skiff
Did you forget which behemoth of a series was airing this season
echo quiver
yes
slender skiff
echo quiver
it's illegal to say otherwise
slender skiff
And I mean bigger than spy X family
echo quiver
didn't you say the first one was bad
slender skiff
Kaguya has always been solid
grizzled acorn
Who
slender skiff
Anyone that says kaguya is mid or straight up bad
grizzled acorn
Kaguya is pinnacle romcom
slender skiff
Is either named arutezza
grizzled acorn
@violet path
slender skiff
Or just being edgy for the sake of attention or being the contrarian
echo quiver
maybe im thinking of a different anime? idk. i don't remember animes i haven't seen
slender skiff
I'd be more surprised if he even watched it honestly
Kaguya is one of those Bisque Dolls or Spy X Family
echo quiver
i just remember one with a popular girl but the actual anime is supposed to be bad
echo quiver
grizzled acorn
Honestly with that statement alone its hard to narrow down
slender skiff
Chika is kaguya
grizzled acorn
Thats love is war 
grizzled acorn
Kaguya is an easy 8/10
slender skiff
Unless you just hate every damn romcom
I won't deny Chika is
Not a good character
Chika is purely comic relief for most of the series
grizzled acorn
Chika has moments
echo quiver
is she even the main character
slender skiff
Bruh
grizzled acorn
She fills the roll well enough, i dont mind chika
slender skiff
The series is literally called
echo quiver
i had my doubts when i saw the poster for kaguya 2
and chika is relatively tiny
also it's called kaguya
slender skiff
Kaguya-sama wa kokurasetai
grizzled acorn
This is a certified moment
echo quiver
why not the ED
slender skiff
People normally talk about the OP
slender skiff
Because the OP is sung by a very famous Japanese singer
echo quiver
slender skiff
As in
echo quiver
what about the chika dance
echo quiver
shuki shuki
slender skiff
A bonafide singer
echo quiver
doki doki
echo quiver
oh
echo quiver
okay, ive only seen that ed
grizzled acorn
It did hit, though
slender skiff
This guy that sang it
Quite the chad ol' gentleman
He's Japan king of romance iirc
Sorry
King of Love Songs
Like wew that's real classy
grizzled acorn
Hawaiian shirt?
echo quiver
elton john with shades
grizzled acorn
Based
slender skiff
Shield hero?
pallid osprey
Yeah
slender skiff
The ending was complete bs
Yes
They did
In the WN
Or rather in the webnovels
slender skiff
He and Raphtalia were forcefully sent back by the shield
Because basically the world was doomed
pallid osprey
oh
slender skiff
They came back
pallid osprey
so it is happy ending
slender skiff
...as god like beings
To save their world
Like I said
WN was weird
But at least it was straightforward
grizzled acorn
"The world was doomed"
"So it is a happy ending"
What?
slender skiff
The LN just made that same premise a billion times more complicated
pallid osprey
Isn't WN is just a draft of Author?
slender skiff
...I mean well
Yesn't
A lot of modern light novels
Start as web novels
Which are basically
Just a rando posting his stories on the net
pallid osprey
How wonder
slender skiff
It isn't necessarily a draft per se
grizzled acorn
How does one start publishing a web novel. I have a genius idea
pallid osprey
But whut made it worst?
slender skiff
That's where they all come from
Shield Hero's main issue in the light novel is that
It becomes EXTREMELY complicated
slender skiff
Nah
It's not about bullshit or interesting
At the end of the day
Shield Hero WN ended with at least
A plausible ending
Except they LITERALLY became gods
A lazy ending is still better than a straight up bad one
slender skiff
It's... A long story
pallid osprey
That is just unexpected
slender skiff
Which does include spoilers for the current shield hero LN
pallid osprey
I thought he might end up with like the best hero on that world then have a chance to come back the world where he suppose to be with his harem
but it's ok
Nah
A GOD?
slender skiff
Thing is
Naofumi
Was never one for a harem
Heck
He never even acknowledged raphtalia's feelings until WAY later
slender skiff
Uh
And there's literally no one else
Till sadeena and atla come along
...and then one of them ||HAD to kick the bucket||
silver robin
How does one start publishing a web novel. I have a genius idea
You literally create an account on like syosetu or kakuyomu and just post lol
echo quiver
what harem
silver robin
Free account too
echo quiver
pallid osprey
I feel like it become fantasy power some how
grizzled acorn
Thanks, i didnt know any platforms for it
pallid osprey
Which is kinda lame
echo quiver
slender skiff
Even in sadeena case
silver robin
i dont remember that
slender skiff
She was more egging on Naofumi to go for raphtalia
echo quiver
oh boy, crunchyroll comments gonna have a field day with raphtalia's age if that ever happens
slender skiff
...
slender skiff
Aqua raph age is the least of their issues
slender skiff
8.5 to 7 is a bit much
echo quiver
it's been sooooo less stressful ever since i switched to the 5 star system
slender skiff
I feel like it become fantasy power some how
It only really became one after s1
And even then not really
It is technically a power fantasy
slender skiff
But because of the way it's written it doesn't really come off as one
pallid osprey
echo quiver
shield hero got weird when they started fighting super powerful enemies, but they're also... weak? or maybe just incompetent
grizzled acorn
Maybe i should lower my rate for Shield Hero to 7
I have it at a 5
echo quiver
i feel like a few of the boss enemies could single-handedly wipe out most of the planet if the heroes didn't exist
slender skiff
Namely, knock-off Kirito, Filophile and Misguided Hero of Justice
slender skiff
i feel like a few of the boss enemies could single-handedly wipe out most of the...
Yes..
That's WHY the heroes are there
The heroes are summoned because the waves cannot be handled by the people of the world
echo quiver
i honestly forget it's supposed to be a game sometimes
echo quiver
echo quiver
the other heroes seem to have played a variation of the world in a game tho
slender skiff
They don't take it seriously
The fact is
As Naofumi so points out
This isn't a game
The other heroes treat it like one
echo quiver
i mean, the world has consequences
grizzled acorn
Its got gamelike properties, not a game
echo quiver
but the power levels of the enemies feels designed after a video game
slender skiff
And it becomes especially clear with this season
The whole turtle thing they mention in ep 1
echo quiver
which is what i mean by it feeling trippy
slender skiff
Appears in the games they played
Which is why
They went on their own
Long before anything major happened
slender skiff
While Naofumi went to train in the village
A bit more
Mind you
The OP does spoil what happen to them after they do try to challenge the turtle
So don't watch it too closely
Sam
Did you watch the ep yet
echo quiver
i always skip the op now
pallid osprey
Guess this better than Shield hero then, even it is power fantasy
silver robin
I did
pallid osprey
silver robin
Its just
echo quiver
ops have too many spoilers
silver robin
I didn't pay attention to the OP
echo quiver
usually leave them until like... episode 11 or 12
silver robin
...
echo quiver
aw yeah, brown haired girl in fancy clothes
slender skiff
(ok no not really)
I'm just kidding raphtalia still is
Anyways
Sam you read the LN right
Or no
I forgot
silver robin
Yeah up to like 1-2 volumes behind the official eng release
silver robin
regarding what?
slender skiff
When they never did the village development properly
silver robin
didnt they cut all the village development yeah
slender skiff
They never did the training properly
And that's not mentioning how much they skipped in the Cal Mira island arc
With l'arc and Therese
They have skipped over
silver robin
yeah they did
pallid osprey
I feel like Ender hate when it comes to harem anime 
silver robin
Well its a harem anime
pallid osprey
Nah
slender skiff
I do like my harem anime
slender skiff
silver robin
pallid osprey
Almost every harem that I watched, Ender rate is like 6-7
slender skiff
Yeah that one is
silver robin
Which one?
slender skiff
Very very very mediocre
pallid osprey
slender skiff
Guess this better than Shield hero then, even it is power fantasy
This
silver robin
Oh yeah
silver robin
The one with the loli and the big boob elf
slender skiff
S2 was so much better
silver robin
pallid osprey
It is power fantasy
slender skiff
But it's still shit
silver robin
I read the first 3 volumes of the LN for it
pallid osprey
just enjoy the comedy
slender skiff
Yami there are better power fantasy comedy out there
silver robin
Mainly cause i was browsing the ebook section of my library
slender skiff
This one really had no substance
silver robin
and they somehow had the first 3 volumes there
slender skiff
It did get better with s2
silver robin
slender skiff
Ngl
pallid osprey
Yami there are better power fantasy comedy out there
Example?
slender skiff
S2 was much better than s1
slender skiff
....bofuri
pallid osprey
unexpected Sam
slender skiff
Konosuba
silver robin
On a serious note i liked cautious hero as well
pallid osprey
silver robin
silver robin
slender skiff
The animation wasn't good
Unfortunately
But the story was decent
And it was funny as hell
pallid osprey
Konosuba
I know that one, I watch several eps, didn't enjoy comedy much, maybe I too old
slender skiff
I do follow the LN for cautious hero
Too old
....too old?
What the fuck
I'd expect you of all people to enjoy konosuba
pallid osprey
You rate causion hero 7?
silver robin
I did read like
pallid osprey
pallid osprey
I'd expect you of all people to enjoy konosuba
I know it famous because Aqua, I watched it like 3 eps
didnt enjoy it mych
slender skiff
My only issue is that it got old really quickly
...so I say
But I went to read the cautious hero LN
All I can say is
Oh my
slender skiff
Sam
silver robin
slender skiff
Did you totally like
silver robin
i read the WN for it
slender skiff
Forget about the ||daughter||
slender skiff
It's after the anime
slender skiff
then the ||god world gets destroyed and shit||
Before this
Nah quite sure it isn't
Because
There's
Almost no difference
In the WN and LN
silver robin
im literally drawing a blank
Granted though its been like 3-4 years since I've read it
slender skiff
then the ||god world gets destroyed and shit||
Sam did they not go to a 2nd world before this happened
silver robin
Believe they did yeah
silver robin
Second world was like ||very demonic from the start right||
or was that the third world
slender skiff
Yes
silver robin
ok im remembering 
slender skiff
Third is the reverse of first
slender skiff
is DAL 4 out yet?
1st ep has aired yes
The animation is fantastic
What a brand new studio can do
silver robin
Is it jc staff
pallid osprey
silver robin
Oh wait no
silver robin
huh
slender skiff
The date a bullet movies
silver robin
Yeah I've said this many times
pallid osprey
Do I suppose to watch this before s4 or after?
silver robin
But i dropped dal after Mayuri judgement movie
pallid osprey
or it just a soin off?
silver robin
silver robin
yeah
silver robin
I get that
pallid osprey
Oh
silver robin
Then after i watched like 5 min of s3 and dropped it cause cringe
Like why did they have to ||lolify everyone cmon guys||
silver robin
pallid osprey
It's a Booba anime
silver robin
am i misremembering s3
pallid osprey
we say no to loli herer
silver robin
Anyways the first main girl in s3 isnt my cup of tea as well
slender skiff
Mayumi did as a prank
pallid osprey
...yoshino...?
That's a tear
slender skiff
He doesn't like yoshino
pallid osprey
that aint loli
pallid osprey
Beside he do it for everyone sake
slender skiff
I really don't want to say it but she can be
silver robin
yeah yoshino gives off subtle yandere vibes
pallid osprey
I guess
slender skiff
yeah yoshino gives off subtle yandere vibes <:shisleep:907028597741600849>
...ya kinda missed origami there pal
slender skiff
Anyways his eyes have always been for tohka
He did literally call her beautiful
Like in his honest feelings
He's never said that to the rest (honestly)
...ok no
silver robin
He did literally call her beautiful
That was ||at the end of s2|| right
slender skiff
There was that one time
When he went cuckoo
Cos of the powers running wild
And he became a complete flirt instead
silver robin
silver robin
Cos of the powers running wild
this was s2 though right
pallid osprey
Yoshiro?
silver robin
pallid osprey
really?
pallid osprey
I dont see they interract that much in S1
pallid osprey
neither s2
slender skiff
Anime didn't adapt everything
So ye
I admittedly
Need to finish the LN
But I'm currently reading something else
silver robin
Its been like 4 years
pallid osprey
For real I dont see Yoshiro interrated with Shidou that much
slender skiff
Namely the whole of natsumi arc
silver robin
pallid osprey
slender skiff
It is less than tohka and origami and kotori sure
But it is more than miku
More than natsumi
Less than the twins
pallid osprey
Hmm
slender skiff
Way more than mana obviously
The LN I'm currently reading
Feels like
It's a mix of bakarina and genius prince
echo quiver
when you max out INT but you use WIS as your dump stat
slender skiff
Uh
This one is more of
Max out luck
But use common sense as dump stat
It's pretty interesting ngl
Oh great no blurb
Synopsis: Surrounded by the hate-filled gazes of her people, the selfish princess of the fallen Tearmoon Empire, Mia, takes one last look at the bleeding sun before the guillotine blade fallsβ¦ Only to wake back up as a twelve-year-old! With time rewound and a second chance at life dropped into her lap, she sets out to right the countless wrongs that plague the ailing Empire. Corrupt governance? Check. Border troubles? Check. Natural calamities and economic strife? Check. My, seems like a lot of work. Hard work and Mia donβt mix, so she seeks out the aid of others, starting with her loyal maid, Anne, and the brilliant minister, Ludwig. Together, they strive day and night to restore the Empire. Little by little, their tireless efforts begin to change the course of history, pushing the whole of the continent toward a new future. And why did the selfish princess have a change of heart, you ask? Simpleβshe didnβt. Sheβs just terrified of the guillotine. They hurt like hell, and Mia hates pain more than work.
Not something I'd really recommend personally?
It is dumb fun and at the same time real big bren
Idk how but it is what it is
silver robin
Sounds like realist hero to an extent
slender skiff
Kinda is
Except
Let's be honest here
She isn't the brain
Usually
It's more of
People tend to overinflate what she thinks/does
If anything
It's like overlord
Like genuinely
It's really a sasuga Ainz Sama moment
Like everyone tends to think she's some genius mastermind
When... While she tries to be
Often isn't
Oh
Ascendance S3 starting today
slender skiff
flat cedar
because
it went downhill fast
Sheild hero's first part was really strong
only hits that high at a certain part that WILL be animated
slender skiff
why did you rate arifureta 5.5
EXTREMELY bad s1
Unbelievably
Horrible animation (note CGI)
Horrible pacing
slender skiff
...you need to see it to believe it
pallid osprey
I only read manga
slender skiff
...
pallid osprey
the manga total is good
slender skiff
pallid osprey
but the s2 is meh
slender skiff
Rate manga as the manga
Rate anime as the anime
Anime can be better or worse than manga
... usually it's worse
But then you have exceptions like no game no life
And demon Slayer
pallid osprey
No, it is like I already read ahead in manga so basically when I watch anime, if it is not cutting too much detail and I already know the true story behind it I would rate easier on anime
slender skiff
For me
I'm usually more critical
If anything
Since I know what to expect
Which is why
2 of my favourite LNs
Which both got animes
I personally rate 7.5
pallid osprey
Which one are those 2
pallid osprey
Ah the controversial one
slender skiff
Seirei Gensouki (Spirit Chronicles)
pallid osprey
fxxk
slender skiff
The latter is especially meh anime wise
pallid osprey
I read manga then i dropped
slender skiff
slender skiff
If people of this age can't approach fictional politics without hating it cos hurrdurr politics
Then this is a sad world
It's not control
It's rebuild
pallid osprey
Cant debate with you until I start reading again
so I can prove you wrong
Oh really
Then I should start watching anime then
slender skiff
Way behind at this point
You're not gonna win me in any debates about realist hero
I've read the LN a good 10x so far
If anything
If people hate it because it deals with fictional politics
Then all I can say that non ficitonal politics in the real world are in a sad state
Or rather
Worrying
Manga is at early s2
pallid osprey
slender skiff
I'm miffed more because it was given to a studio with a questionable track record
grizzled acorn
If people of this age can't approach fictional politics without hating it cos hu...
People are complaining about fictional politics?
slender skiff
I mean
slender skiff
Because fxxk that political
^
Can't tell if he's being serious
I mean then again
When have people not hated fictional politics
especially if they happen to reflect real life issues
i mean well
if it's regarding political ideology then yeah it's also understandable lol
but realist hero's "real life comparisons"
slender skiff
are well, not particularly limited to ideology
pallid osprey
ivory mauve
name <:HelenaPlease:554899604269957130>
The Onee-sama and the Giant
ivory mauve
HEY HOLD ON
?
ivory mauve
I fell asleep right after
violet path
Is either named arutezza
Yes yes aru actually has good tastes
thorn briar
halcyon dagger
Biology; learn it
violet path
<:Wotspite:839635014572048394>
Mitochondria(Noun): the powerhouse of the cell
thorn briar
How can he eat 
thorny nest
How can he eat <:poggies:958200364157530143>
gonna watch it tonight once my connection is a bit more stable 
thorny nest
if anyones got good taste its me
is good pfp 
grizzled acorn
is good pfp <a:nodnod:947533866011328583>
π€
violet path
if anyones got good taste its me
You like one piece and weird catgirl show
grizzled acorn
you mean the best selling manga of all time and monogatari, one of the most appraised light novels and anime
thorny nest
also hanekawa has the best tongue twister 
grizzled acorn
flat cedar
How can he eat <:poggies:958200364157530143>
the first episode should have pointed something out
as to why
im not saying it as its a spoiler
thorn briar
flat cedar
if it overlooked that major crutal point
then the adaptation is trash
like its hyper vital
thorn briar
pallid osprey
How can he eat <:poggies:958200364157530143>
Whut anime is it
why it looks like it copy Ainz-sama
thorny nest
gaikotsu-kishi-sama-tadaima-isekai-e-odekakechuu
thorn briar
Whut anime is it
Skeleton Knight in another world
pallid osprey
Skeleton Knight in another world
thorny nest
depending on the site you're watching it might not recognize the english name
pallid osprey
depending on the site you're watching it might not recognize the english name <:...
I mean it is a new anime right, might be up top of the month
thorny nest
yea
thorn briar
I took the japanese name from the site and googled it
thorn briar
When he fell 
thorny nest
π
thorn briar
Did I misunderstand something 
thorn briar
But I don't like him , I like the elf girl more 
thorn briar
I want to see more of her
thorny nest
I dont have netflix so I dont care 
thorn briar
Me neither
slender skiff
What is that word even mean
To not complicate things too much
Mitochondria are the things within cells that turn glucose or whatever into energy the cell can use
violet path
Mitochondria(Noun): the powerhouse of the cell
I already said it
violet path
I learned nothing in school besides the fact that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
slender skiff
Even the glucose part may not make any sense
violet path
They didnt teach me how to do my taxes so i just evade them
flat cedar
grizzled acorn
Sigma
solid nebula
Who here, PINGED ME
ivory mauve
@solid nebula i did
solid nebula
Ok
ivory mauve
Reply to last night's ping
pallid osprey
To not complicate things too much
Mitochondria are the things within cells that ...
Meh, doctor language is just weird
slender skiff
Yami
If all of biology was doctor language
Managing covid wouldn't be as big of an issue
pallid osprey
Managing covid wouldn't be as big of an issue
Speaking of biology, we do have an anime about cell work. Have you watched it?
slender skiff
Yes
pallid osprey
slender skiff
I mean
At a fundamental level
Kind of
I've studied immunology
It is definitely accurate to quite a remarkable degree
It isn't gonna help you pass your exams though
pallid osprey
But it entertaining and knowledgable at the same time
Also doctor stone
I havent watch yet
But they rate it good
slender skiff
Dr Stone borders on
slender skiff
Read the manga too
Lol
Well how do I say this
Dr Stone is more of greatly exaggerated modern science
It is accurate
But obviously it does take a lot of artistic liberty
With how it does things
Still
An excellent show
Not that it'll teach you much
Cells at work is actually educational
Dr stone not really
Doesn't take away from the fact that it's a well written series though
pallid osprey
Btw
Just be clear
WN is free on website right? And LN you have to buy it and other LNs that showed on website is illegal copy right right?
slender skiff
Basically
Yes
LN is actually published by a company
For monetary gain
A WN isn't
Well
silver robin
LN = physical book, WN = some rando typed it online
pallid osprey
So you did spend a lot of money on LN? Since you always saying stuff in LN most likely
slender skiff
There are legitimate websites you can buy light novels off
pallid osprey
slender skiff
And read online
silver robin
although theres ebook LNs, but thats basically same diff
slender skiff
So you did spend a lot of money on LN? Since you always saying stuff in LN most ...
It goes without saying doesn't it
Though it is far cheaper to buy ebooks online than physical copies
pallid osprey
It goes without saying doesn't it
Wdym
Do you read every anime you hace watched
silver robin
Not all books make it to print
im pretty sure all JP LNs make it to print at least in JP
translated ones not making it to print sure that happens
slender skiff
Do you read every anime you hace watched
Only those I am interested
I do have a subscription so I don't need to buy everything
silver robin
slender skiff
Anyways
Back to apothecary diaries
A series that deserves a good anime above all else
ivory mauve
FLOOD FIREFIGHT
silver robin
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1513333347208282117 did someone already mention this yet
Twitter
ivory mauve
That's adorable
slender skiff
ivory mauve
π
slender skiff
Kore wa shooock
ivory mauve
NANI!!!!
My boy you're going to die of shock
The plot thicckens
"Otome Game no Mobu desura naindaga"
halcyon dagger
What is with that face?
thorny nest
pallid osprey
I do have a subscription so I don't need to buy everything
Subscription on whut?
slender skiff
J-novel
