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even though he didnt kill them. all he did was go around beating up heroes for personal gain
stain killed heroes in MHA because he found them unworthy of being a hero, that the standard of heroes has dropped
he wanted heroes to rise and become more like all might, an IDEAL hero
very fine line here
its like if i went around fighting police officers for no reason
that, is an anti hero
Oh
So you are saying that scene that he fight all heroes to protect that boy says nothing?

yes
1 scene does not redeem a character
especially once you include the manga
if anything
garou is a good example of how you write a good villain
OPM is almost as much his story as it is saitama's
But it funny tho
I see OPM as both antagonist and protagonist
saitama cant be the antagonist. the antagonist is the person/people that oppose the main character. He is the MAIN CHARACTER. he could kill that little boy and he'd still be the protagonist
anything that's not a totally brainless SoL has an antagonist lmao
i would argue that final exams are a common antagonist in SoL

not all but most
So in that case
ratio
Is Sasuka antagonist anit hero or villain?
sasuke is a villain
who even is sasuka
he is an antagonist, not the main one though
sasuke from naruto?
should be antag
idk never watched naruto
hes an antagonist and a villain
But is he anti hero or villain?
villain
I thought he want the world better by his way
he does everything for personal gain until the end
is that not anti hero?
by his own way
what is that outcome
is it anti hero
exactly
sasukes goal was to wipe the leaf village off of the map killing every man, woman, and child
better world 
and how does that make it a better world?
for most of the story, at least
no honest question
if there's a legitimate gain to the rest of the world you can make an argument for either
So he is the Villain
yes
i can't comment as i have not watched naruto
hes a bit more complicated, because sasuke changed a lot during the story
his overall goal shifted like 5 times
Fair enouhg
since you said he changed a lot
but at the End
The reason he fought with Naruto, if i only count that reason is he still a villain?
Bruh I really confuse between anti hero and villain now


kiritsugu is an anti hero
||initially, yes he just wanted to be stronger and kill his brother. then he found out the truth behind that whole thing and his goal was genocide because "how dare the leaf village people be happy", then he wanted to be hokage and thats why he fought naruto at the end of shippuden. for most of the story all he wanted was revenge though, and for a majority of it he was definitely the villain||
gilgamesh is the hero
nights please
fine fine
he may be the king of heroes
I saw him as a comedian
that doesn't mean he isn't a villain

gil is the villain in stay night. but in fgo, which you dont need to worry about rn, he is the hero
absolutely based
well fgo is very nuanced
heck
heaven's feel is EXTREMELY nuanced itself
it's why it is the best
If you said Gil is Villain, proof? what his reason in staynight and ubw?
did you watch zero yet yami?
ok so no spoilers for zero then
for ubw
and stay night
not HF
gil's purpose is just
modern humans are shit
let them be reborn
All his doing is making the world better right
by his way
how is that a villain
by difinition
it's not about whose way
he should be anti hero
it's about what actually happens
gil's goals involves KILLING EVERYONE
for really
the sake of entertainment
since humanity as it is bores him
that is true
in ubw
lol
you have initiated a gang war
you not want to kill everyonw
only one who deserve live will live
If he want to kill everyone he no need that Grail
He can do by himself
remember?
and who is he to decide who deserves to live and die?
that is the very act of a villain

see, gil is a great guy. proof
https://youtu.be/imrC3HWwCDU

an anti hero is someone who does "bad" things for the greater good of the populace
a simple example is
Oh fuck I haven't seen this scene
THAT'S FROM UBW
did you not finish unlimited blade works?
I did
then you saw it
exploding a plane full of people with a deadly disease on board in order to save the whole world from that disease
that is an example of an anti hero
he killed the whole plane but hey at least everyone else is safe
If in this case, what a hero should do then?
*this is what kiritsugu did during his younger days
a hero would never blow up the plane to begin with
he would try to find a way to get onto the plane and try to save everyone
or if the plane lands
to stop it from getting out of the plane... somehow
That is just impossible
exactly
kiritsugu is a very practical person
so he is an anti hero
but... that impossible thing is something SHIROU would (try to) do
textbook example of hero
He tries to save everyone
correct
so I guess Shirou is hero
the only times shirou becomes an anti hero is when he becomes archer
or heaven's feel
Wait
but id
if
you give an example of plane
mean
if you have to make a decision
of sacrificing something to get something, that would be anti hero?
i mean, shirou tries to save illya from this in UBW despite him almost being murdered by her previously
depends on what kind of sacrifice it is

that was just the scene but reversed
LIKE SIEG IN APOCRYPHA
That's a hero
then that would make you a hero
yes
if it's not a personal sacrifice
but instead the sacrifice of others
then that leans you into anti hero territory
Like sacrificing the whole plane with bunch of people in it?
correct
he chose to save the majority in the airport
instead of the minority on the plane
if he was ON BOARD and crashed the plane himself
that's different
So a hero is just sacrifice himself or save all right
doesn't have to be just himself
anything he values
could be his loved ones
or his powers
for the greater good
My brain kinda explore after this conversation
to be fair

we are getting into rather advanced literature
and if i add this statement
you're gonna be even more confused
add it
nuu
"ultimately, the line between an anti-hero and a villain is very thin"
I need to finish reading manga
Bruh
that why I confused so much
it's not something black and white that can be clearly defined
Like Nights said
hence that whole sasuke thing
Light count as Villain right?
sasuke is fuckin weird alright
all Light do is for his own goods
light was initially anti hero

light initially started with
these people committed heinous crimes
DIE
then it became
...heinous crimes which they would be killed for anyways
initially it was just that
the difference between anti hero and villain there is
i mean
light wanted to make the world a better place by ridding it of all evils
they both Villain?
judges are anti heroes😂
and a politics discussion i'm NOT going into
So the Judges is Villain by definition?
again
can't look at it that way
it's what makes it so confusing
then light went
these people committed petty crime they should die too
and he slipped more into the villain spectrum
and then he fell all the way in when he decided
these people MAY have committed crimes
they should die
and then it only got worse when he killed people after him
he went from anti-hero to villain very quickly
and for whatever it's worth
gil
isn't choosing people to live based on whether they are good or evil
So the diff between judges and Light is the Judges kill people for majority will, and Light kill people for his own goods?
just on whether they entertain him
a judge is given power by the government to decide the fate of a convict, whether through death, or life imprisonment or really just the taking away of certain human rights (freedom)
in order to protect the majority - aka the rest of the population
light just did what he wanted after a certain point
the concepts of heroes, villains, protagonists and antagonist
strictly apply to literature, or rather fiction in general
not real life
but literature was made based on real life
It doesn't have to
But that is why some characters
like sasuke
are as confusing as they are
But without real life perspective, literature wont exist
but because in literature/fiction
you have limited context
limited perspective
hence it becomes possible to classify characters as hero/villain/anti-hero/anti-villain
have you watched pokemon
You mean they on bad side but never do bad things?
those three in particular
outside of stealing
and maybe trickery through disguise
never really do anything worse
at least THOSE three
in some cases they even help the main characters
You said one act does not change who they are
how can helping mc made them anti villlain
then

one
thing is
several
not one time
secondly, they've never really crossed that line of
LET'S DESTROY THE FOCKING WORLD
It just mean they never success, doesn't mean they wont
nah

i've watched
most of the thousand episodes of pokemon
the most they intend to do is give the stolen pokemons to their boss for a promotion
...or that one time they were hired by the boss for missions they didn't even know the purpose of
and ended up just
not helping towards the end
even sabotaging it
without being noticed ofc
But in the end, does team rocket become good?
or they just the same way what they are?
anti villains will never become heroes
more of
just supporting ash
or fighting alongside
temporary alliance if you will
But you cant say they are villain?
you could argue villain because they ARE stealing and tricking people
but context matters
oh new isekai smartphone manga chap
BYEEEEEE
...and good night
Ping me when Ender come back
i have work tomorrow

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hold on
the final season
... has another season

what
is it still april first...?
They had the final season
Then the final final seasom
Then the final final final season

It already had 2
It's just part 2 of part 2 of the final season
This is more complicated than kingdom hearts names
This is basically a spanish novela
The all new, Kingdom Hearts 14.5.3 Re:Mix Remastered 2nd edition Game of the year part II
It's just 2020+2
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It's definitely not Nier Gestalt ver.1.22474487139
This is freaking beautiful
look at that floof over there
Bruh


😂

Time for the glorious shitshow
the funny thing is
that vid was posted on april fools
so i have no idea if its true or not

although april 1st in my timezone could be april 2nd in JP time zone depending on when vid was released
It isn't
The April fools joke is that
They announced a third production
Even though there wasn't a second
Remember EN don't read
Oh hey black rock shooter is getting a new anime
I missed u 
speaking of unnecessarily long and complicated titles
That's not too long 
This anime have a long title too 
She's back 
They changed the artist and the art is so good 
Sao progressive is the one that gives the fleshed out aincrad arc, right?
I think I know this, hold one
Yep
I do
Thank

Oh god
Plz kill me
Why short hair girl in anime is so damn diff from real life

Any good short hair girl?
Ender?
@slender skiff
Kek
The first one that came to mine was siesta from tanteishin
yep yep
Because
yami lemme bring you to short hair girl paradise
You haven't read the source material
Lol
Anime onlies would definitely prefer Eris
On account she's actually written properly
Where is the teleporrt portal
I read manga
Havent watch anime of Mushoku
Even Sylphie first girl but I will go Eris-Roxy-Sylphie
yami likes it rough
Eris best girl
There's also... Half the cast of bokuben has short hair
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Gotoubun, but actually has a good ending

https://anilist.co/character/120940/Vignette-Tsukinose-April
The true best short hair though


Oh, plz Ender I know the show but cant remember name 
more angel than angel themselves
Bokutachi wa benkyou ga dekinai
Oh yeah
kurosaki?
My bad

Franxx
Lul
Grand Order
mashu
Your main female lead has short hair
No she's an eggplant (mashu)
Cos it's tied up
Even Im havent watch the show
If I ask a real weeb who is best short hair girl
50% they will say either Ram or Rem

Right Ender?
Yes
Lol
Anilist gives me Ichigo first
Lmfao
Then Rem
Then gahara-san
...does gahara count as short hair if she changed to it mid series
Do you remember the blue short hair girl
Of course
In Tokyo Goul?
Why Ender why
That show is good
S1-S2 I mean
Not 3-4 tho

Well we forgot Misaka
From AoT

Both misaka
Lisbeth from SAO
Ackerman and Mikoto
Seishirou from Nisekoi
A lot of short haired characters have blue hair

Ichigo, Haruna, Rem, Seishirou
Damn that girl in Nisekoi was good
Idk why you hate the show lol
Does Saber count as short hair?

No
Not even close
Her hair is tied up
Nisekoi falls to pieces past what the anime adapted
Absolutely no progress in the story whatsoever
Uraraka 
It's not good honestly
Nisekoi
What was animated was very well done
But beyond that naaaah
Oh whoever might that be
Totally not the character that kicked off the kuudere trope in anime


Idk who this is but pretty cute
Shuna aint short hair
tomboy girl of Nisekoi best girl
Shuna long hair
debate me
Haters will say Ram/Rem
Oh did you? 
comatose girl 🚮
I did yes
ye
One of the best
duck yes
No
yami hates sol
it has comedy.

Gabriel Dropout is a very good comedy sol
Emma from Promise Neverland
It's ... Technically fantasy too!
Neither the girl in Ender pfp is short hair or she tired it up
@slender skiff what ya watching currently
Probably last eps of season 4 part 2 AoT and last eps of Marin
I missed it
I know I asked you
but I literally missed it
I think we Endered up talking about Shana
and dead authors
Whut
Not like the rest can see it
I mean exactly
Uh
I thought I found you on Anilist
Kaguya, shield hero, Shikimori, bookworm, cuckoos, and date a live
S5?
Like Marin last name


sure
S3
Date a live is s4
S4 DAL seems correct

It is
Why I dont know
Genuinely
Never heard
Have poster?
Yami
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I dont know if you had this Ender
But it has one of the best world building and character building for isekais
The art looks for kids
Exactly
but at a younger age I was into Ecchi Comedy etc then moved slowly towards RomCom and SoL
and still like that
Much like... ranking of kings
Female main?
Female lead yes
How dark is it?
Ranking of Kings and Bookworm both have this issue of the artstyle

The opposite
I think Yami its in that phase
You mean chill
Nah it isn't really chill
no he meant wholesome
The plot moves at a mile a minute
It's a lot more realistic approach to isekai if anything
And isekai
There are magic elements yes
Sol + Isekai
But a lot of it is grounded in realisim
Never heard of that

One of the best isekai for sure
now who has a bad memory Yami
Just that people don't usually talk about it

And like what you said
Artstyle
It's sol isekai
Ya think?
It does have actual plot
But I for one don't think you can get past the artstyle
I don't think you'll get past ep1
Never watch
Maybe ep 3 if we're generous
and creepy as well

But it becomes really stupid towards the end
I am quite sure you will like it
It is good for a horror anime though
Ender shtap pls
Ender x Ramzh fight 
If only it didn't turn into akame ga kill


I mean

Another's nickname
Ender the spoiler
just tell him the entire plot at this point
I didnt but people talk about it so much so I know Esdeath best girl
Eh to each their own
I think it was highschool at least
Then he discovers there's a girl that no one sees
Umbrellas.
back to another suggestion
Umbrellas.
go watch Blood C
Blood C?
Death by umbrella or death by boat propeller
Honor?
You decide
Ek
Too many anime
But I will drop if neither the art or curiousity not satisfied me in the first 3 eps
rip
Usually
missing out
then it's not dark if you drop it

anyway I gave you some suggestions based on what I liked back in the days
as I was and still am very much into horrors gore etc
if I was not lazy I would probably keep up with new releases

HOLY HELL
@ivory mauve gramps ||Cut off his fuckin limbs to escape||

Also, that escape is referenced from Saw
@slender skiff https://twitter.com/maruyama_kugane/status/1510622776675094536?t=hFIhG1OoFI5cdlerwc7cvQ&s=09
sheeesh
not 17 but 18
I saw
I'm getting mix messages here
idk man, looks kinda like chagall 
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Bruh
I just thought it end yesterday cuz I dont wanna read manga
I can just watch anime
now have to wait till 2023?

Yeppega
Just read manga not that hard
I dropped aot already 
I got spoiled on twitter also the fans are way too annoying 
That is how I feel when about to watch Kimetsu no Yaiba
Like
Also for my hero academia I dropped it cause i got spoiled and the fans are really annoying 
I think Ender has a solid reason for that one
He also dropped it

The fans always say that those 3 are best animes of all time when there are animes that are better than those 3 
Boku no Hero?
I dont know about that
I think it have friendship power
so I barely watch it
Yes also demon slayer 
Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan might good cuz the story is kinda unique
The concept of heros became overused in anime its also boring 
I haven't watched all the seasons sure
Basically, haven't watched s5 yet
Too long is fairy tail
I dropped that around ep 120+
That's why I like Overlord cause they focus on the Villain's side which I like 
But does it contain too much friendship power in BnA?

Samn with OPM
But everyone want to be hero which is annoying 
Honestly, season 2 is one of the best parts about MHA
S2 and S4 are the strongest
Lul
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Obligatory
Every shounen anime mc want to be a hero , why don't they want to be villians 
27 million views
But to be fair it's one of the most well animated fights in the series
It does get much more value with context though
Also yes that is Eren Yaeger
The problem with a lot of these anime is that
Toga was the only good character in that show
Because they're so mainstream
Change my mind
I’m reading light novel now
Or no game no life
If you want them to maintain the quality, patience must be observed
Where is no game no life?
For ngnl to have an s2
They need to retcon the end of s1

Also as someone who has read ngnl
They gonna kill each other maybe
















