anime-manga

[echo river]

neither does RoH

[slender skiff]

^

It's not that bad sure

[echo river]

and I can tell you there hentais with way better plot that RoH

[slender skiff]

But that's already being awfully generous

[echo river]

and they do not last 12 eps

[slender skiff]

RoH is the definition of shock factor

[echo river]

imagine good good plot in 2-3 eps or 12 eps 5 min each

[pallid osprey]

Shock? nah, everyone can predict how is it going

[slender skiff]

Goblin Slayer just does that for a single episode to burn the impression into you

That that's what can happen

In this world

Fucking hell, SAO has more sexual assault and attempted rape scenes than goblin slayer

[pallid osprey]

Oh really?

[halcyon dagger]

Technically

Yes

[slender skiff]

Technically yes

[pallid osprey]

I thought they stop giving it from s1

[slender skiff]

S3 has 1 more

[pallid osprey]

xD

[slender skiff]

S4 part 2 has another

[pallid osprey]

lol

how about s2?

lame

[slender skiff]

S2 actually yes

[pallid osprey]

must be lame

[slender skiff]

Once

I forgot about that scene in S2 too lmao

[halcyon dagger]

Which one was season 2 again?

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

Sinon

[halcyon dagger]

Ah, then yes

[slender skiff]

• Kono Yuuki later

But sinon's arc has attempted rape scene yes

[pallid osprey]

Why it sounds like a traditional in SAO series?

[slender skiff]

So 1 for every goddamn season

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

The anime exaggerates it

Massively

The author doesn't go into too much detail

[halcyon dagger]

Sinon has her scuffle after winning the tournament

[slender skiff]

Goblin Slayer is much more tame in comparison

[halcyon dagger]

Only because it doesn't need to beat us over the head with how vile the gobs are

[slender skiff]

the first ep sets the tone straight

[halcyon dagger]

In SAO, each new bad guy had to try and one up the previous bad guy in depravity

[slender skiff]

is it necessary? ofc not
it never is necessary to show such a vile disgusting act of human, or in this case, goblin nature outside a documentary or a political discussion about the issues surrounding it and how to resolve them

basically, it isn't necessary in fiction

[halcyon dagger]

Bullshit

[pallid osprey]

But it gave attention

[slender skiff]

at least in my opinion

[halcyon dagger]

One of the best ways to display a character as evil is by how they disregard another's humanity

Either by humiliation, violation, and/or extermination.

[slender skiff]

fair enough

got to give it to you on that note

but of course that doesn't mean you need to go into very descriptive language about it

[halcyon dagger]

That comes down to how much shock value the author wants.

[slender skiff]

yeah

in GS case, the idea is to shock the viewers the brutality of goblins

[halcyon dagger]

The more disgust they want from the Readers, the more descriptive it becomes

[slender skiff]

basically

fuck redo

[halcyon dagger]

However, it could also be said, that too much and/or too often certainly does little to help.

Kind of like diminishing returns

[slender skiff]

gs author in this sense is skilled

[halcyon dagger]

Quite

[slender skiff]

i think berserk is similar?

not sure

have never read berserk

[halcyon dagger]

Honestly, I only saw the series. Have not read it yet.

But it is dark fantasy, so such things that deny basic human dignity and decency are common.

[slender skiff]

so really @pallid osprey any excuses for redo really just fall flat

if you enjoyed redo for its "plot"

[halcyon dagger]

I have not seen it, so I can't comment

[slender skiff]

then goblin slayer will be significantly better

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

i've seen redo and read its manga

i can assure you it's just revenge porn at this point

although to its credit, it does have some semblance of a plot

[echo river]

Ender

just let the man enjoy w/e

[halcyon dagger]

But I do know it's on a certain H website for a reason

[echo river]

but we clearly know why they enjoyed it

I would watch if I had time to waste

[slender skiff]

ramzh, please do something about that 2000+ anime watch list

[echo river]

[slender skiff]

at least remove the part after the 2000

[echo river]

why do you have to bring that up

[slender skiff]

so it doesn't become 3000

[echo river]

I will just remove the 0

so becomes 200

[halcyon dagger]

Just create a pocket dimension in space time and binge away

[slender skiff]

even better

[echo river]

Yeah I wish

fml

[pallid osprey]

Uh

I have question

[halcyon dagger]

Maybe

[echo river]

at my previous work place I was able to binge watch anime/tv show while working

[pallid osprey]

is it better to read manga for AoT or anime is batter?

[echo river]

Subjective

animation of AoT are nice

manga I could think would be more gruesome

[slender skiff]

i haven't watched AoT, but from what i've seen

[halcyon dagger]

Meh. Aot is trash in my opinion. But I would say anime is faster to get through

[slender skiff]

animation is seriously one of the best out there

at least

when wit was doing it

not sure about how mappa handled the later seasons

[echo river]

animation of MAPPA is nice

[pallid osprey]

Cuz most anime will skip some detail in manga

[slender skiff]

i would say wit is pretty close to ufotable standard

[pallid osprey]

So I still wondering

[slender skiff]

for action scenes

or really the only competitor

[halcyon dagger]

If you want ever single nugget of lore and whatnot, then just read it all.

[slender skiff]

kyoani does bulldoze them both in terms of consistency with quality though imo

just watch anime first then go to manga if you're so worried

often better than the reverse

on a side note

GS has gorgeous art

both for ln and anime

[pallid osprey]

ln

art?

thought ln is word by word

[slender skiff]

this might be a shock to you

but LNs do have illustrations

sure not much

not gonna get more than 10

[grizzled acorn]

[slender skiff]

but it's not a complete word only thing

it's a light novel not a novel novel

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

yes i did pick and choose a good one

that doesn't smash the server rules to bits

[pallid osprey]

Damn

who is that

what anime she belong to

[slender skiff]

...

goblin slayer

lol

[pallid osprey]

is that even japanesee

[slender skiff]

that's from the LN

[pallid osprey]

Oh

I thought LN is black and white

[slender skiff]

most of it is

[pallid osprey]

not colorful like this

[slender skiff]

usually

1 coloured cover

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

3 coloured illustrations or so

the rest is black and white

same with manga really

[pallid osprey]

I feel really weird when manga chooses the best part to color

like in WEH, they are black and white until the seggs scene of the main character

[slender skiff]

. . .

that's probably why yes

cos it's weh

it is the HIGHLIGHT

[slender skiff]

that is the main female lead for goblin slayer

[pallid osprey]

That aint look the same

[slender skiff]

But it is her

Just in a ceremonial garb for a festival

[pallid osprey]

Bruh

The pic in LN is better

She has less cover

Than this one

[slender skiff]

That is the LN

Both of those are the LN

Lmao

[pallid osprey]

Bullshit

[violet path]

Im pissed

[pallid osprey]

Well they should use this appearance in anime tho

[violet path]

They dont have the sg manga at the store yet

[slender skiff]

No because it's literally something she wears once

For the sake of a ceremony

That is not in s1

Iirc

[pallid osprey]

Can I talk about azur lane here since AL count as anime?

[slender skiff]

This is not meant to be a fan service anime lmao

Although the LN illustrator clearly doesn't shy from having fan service coloured inserts

You want fan service, to love ru and dxd is that way

[slender skiff]

You have #al-general for that

Slow ahead, queen's orders, the anthology

[pallid osprey]

Do you have ur list of manga on anilist?

Im so stress right now cuz I have to manage manga that I plan to read, manga that I am reading but no anime yet, manga that I am reading but I already watch anime, manga that I havent read but I already watch anime

[violet path]

I started kino no tabi yesterday

Its cute but kinda boring

[slender skiff]

It's basically

Elaina before Elaina was a thing

It's the OG Elaina to speak

[slender skiff]

Haven't done so yet
I should get onto it though

[violet path]

Is the remake any better or is it the same

[slender skiff]

Remake looks much better

And has a wider cast

I do think remake is better

[violet path]

Is it more interesting

The original feels like kino going to random places and being like
"Oh no, anyways"

[slender skiff]

I mean

That's the entire point

It's basically an SoL

Except it was extremely novel when it was first released

Back in 2003

The theme of the show is

"The world isn't beautiful, therefore it is"

It's meant to be pretty chill

I don't think it appeals to an audience of this age

So it's understandable if you don't enjoy it

[echo river]

WOW

WHO IS SHE

[queen canyon]

CN cosplayer

[thorny nest]

[queen canyon]

or TW? idk

she only has weibo

[echo river]

name?

[queen canyon]

note

she also cosplayed as noshiro *maid

[echo river]

I like this quite a lot

[brisk cloak]

her lips bent around and kissed herself

[queen canyon]

kawa

[ivory mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-kids-goblin-child-baby-goblin-loli-goblin-cute-goblin-gif-22032905

[silver robin]

i agree redo is way way worse

[ivory mauve]

Unanimous agreement

[pallid osprey]

Ramzy lewd desu

[echo river]

cursed!

[ivory mauve]

It's a simple trick

[pallid osprey]

Hey Ender

Do you know some anime has Dark Fantasy?

@slender skiff

[soft tartan]

wotakoi new chapter is too wholesome

[grizzled acorn]

Berserk

does Made in Abyss count?

if the Claymore adaptation is good, that as well

[pallid osprey]

Oh lord no

I read manga

I look down comment

There is NtR

[grizzled acorn]

yeah and its a 10/10, right?

[pallid osprey]

I mean the art kinda detail

But NTR

[grizzled acorn]

why do you love ntr so much

[pallid osprey]

I aint

[grizzled acorn]

always talking about it

curious

[pallid osprey]

I talk about it as negative perspective

[grizzled acorn]

likely story

[soft tartan]

ngl gonna recommend madoka magica if you ask for dark fantasy

[grizzled acorn]

does that count as fantasy?

[pallid osprey]

[soft tartan]

I mean, depends on how you'd define fantasy. Does it have to be a new world or can it just be a supernatural fantasy

[grizzled acorn]

i define fantasy as like, a fantasy world

[soft tartan]

madoka magica definitely comes as a strong contender in the latter

[grizzled acorn]

madoka takes place in our world, but goofy

its a very good dark show though

[pallid osprey]

How dark can it be

[soft tartan]

@pallid osprey that begs the question. New fantasy world? Or just supernatural is enough? Or are you looking for dark stuff in general

[pallid osprey]

How would you define dark stuff?

What is it included

[soft tartan]

madoka magica is pretty dark. It's a subversion of the magical girl genre. Just like re:zero is a subversion of isekai power fantasy

[pallid osprey]

Re zero aint that dark

[soft tartan]

sure, later seasons aren't that dark

but I'm gonna put money on the fact that rem getting twisted to fuck by betelguese is darker than most of goblin slayer

[pallid osprey]

[soft tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GCe1LAuSRk

or if you just want dark for the sake of dark, higurashi naku koro ni is also a thing

[pallid osprey]

Wow

That was odd

Luckily I havent watch re zero

I think I might drop it here

[soft tartan]

Monster is also pretty neat

old anime

based on mango from 1990s

[pallid osprey]

You pretty old since you recommended ols era anime

[soft tartan]

nah, just started watching anime at a young age

[pallid osprey]

Like I never watch stuff before 2010

[soft tartan]

I'm a wee babby

[pallid osprey]

[soft tartan]

I'm just 21. I started watching anime early so I had time to catch up to old stuff

[pallid osprey]

you same age at me

I thought you were like 35 or someshit

[grizzled acorn]

??

[grizzled acorn]

spam recommends evangelion

[pallid osprey]

Eva remake start from 2017

I aint gonna watch 1996 version

Cuz Im a cower ok

[grizzled acorn]

1.0 and 2.0 came out before 2010

[pallid osprey]

Oh

That was odd

But you think the remake art is pre2010?

Nuu

[inner sphinx]

Yuuki Yuuna

[slender skiff]

Yes

[pallid osprey]

Lmao

Ender

You should watch what happening in gph

[slender skiff]

What's new

[silver robin]

No like ender its insane

Even restart had to chime in

[slender skiff]

If you think this is insane

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

You haven't seen anything

[silver robin]

probably not tbh

Anyways

I watched first ep of fanfare today

[slender skiff]

This one is definitely up there though

[silver robin]

Its alright

[slender skiff]

Yuki is having a breakdown

[silver robin]

hooked me enough to watch another ep next week

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

Or was

[silver robin]

back to fanfare you should watch at least ep 1

Its very unique

[slender skiff]

Oh

I like how

I changed my pfp to hayaska yesterday

Without realising yesterday was also her birthday

[silver robin]

[grizzled acorn]

sigma activity

ep 1 of love is war airs today right?

[silver robin]

idk

Lemme check my chrome bookmarks

Nope

Kaguya is this upcoming friday in my time zone

which is server time for AL, so you can do the maths idk

[pallid osprey]

You do on purpose

[slender skiff]

Nah I legit didn't realise

I only knew it was siesta's birthday yesterday

[pallid osprey]

I heard something on April?

Any new season of anime?

Like Overlord

[slender skiff]

Wut

Overlord is July

Spring anime have already started to air

[pallid osprey]

No anime list up coming

???

[slender skiff]

Wut

I already pinned the list of spring anime

Kaguya s3

Shield hero s2

Komi s2

Ascendance of Bookworm s..3?4?

Forgot

Those are the biggest sequels

[stable herald]

Harem of maids

[ivory mauve]

It was all a dream

These two my word

[ivory mauve]

Boy's abyss be like

[stable herald]

oh wow

[queen canyon]

[inner sphinx]

Wonder what will happen to them next chapter

[stable herald]

i can agree with that man's 2nd sentence lol

imagine going as an adventurer but wears like a slut

not wearing full protection, no wonder they become the prey of goblins and ogres

smh

[slender skiff]

goblin slayer makes a point about this

[thorn briar]

Ender became hayasaka

[slender skiff]

s3 is hitting soon

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1510565524450656258

A.I.R (Anime Intelligence (and) Research) (@AIR_News01)

The previously announced "My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!" movie is scheduled to open in Japan next year.

They've also released a new visual:

https://t.co/n7i0biMrHW

Twitter · Apr 3, 2022, 10:31 AM

[echo river]

nice

[queen canyon]

to Noel and Flare? sure

[queen canyon]

woman adventurer in every fantasy be like

[inner sphinx]

[stable herald]

They're worthy to get Goblin'd

"May god forgive your slutness, but the goblins wont"

[queen canyon]

Your thottery has blinded you

[thorny nest]

what even is that from?

[queen canyon]

gaburin sureia

[thorny nest]

got an english name?

my site can't find it

[queen canyon]

goblin slayer

[thorny nest]

[queen canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/395387081448226816.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[solid nebula]

Reject Bikini Armour

Embrace armour that protects your vitals and looks cool

[queen canyon]

even in fps games

women : only covers booba and thighs

men : full body armour

[stable herald]

They are blind, thats why they cant wear a proper protection

[stable herald]

Best girls with proper armor for me are Alice and Saber

rather than fantasy girls wearing only 1 piece of clothes, they eases the goblins

[solid nebula]

Alice SAO?

Integrity knights with them Armour

[stable herald]

yeah

the knights armor looks hella cool

[queen canyon]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/d4/28/44d4289b2cab3acfed796fc840565525.gif

PROTECTS YOUR BELLY HOLY FUCK

anyway

@stable herald Marin 20x has gone

[stable herald]

what

oh ok

i understand

[queen canyon]

it will be shikimori 20x

[stable herald]

with that kind of armor, enemy can easily incapitate her limbs. and go for the stomach, which is a vital part

such inefficient armor

smh

[queen canyon]

or lick her belly

nvm

[stable herald]

what

[queen canyon]

[slender skiff]

And thanks to Yami

[queen canyon]

[slender skiff]

I've decided to actually catch up with goblin slayer

[queen canyon]

wot

[slender skiff]

I'm like 5 volumes behind

LN wise

[queen canyon]

i don't even update to goblin slayer

my last watch is

ehh

its movie

[slender skiff]

https://anilist.co/anime/129188/Goblin-Slayer-II/

There is that

[thick edge]

Goblins attack regardless of what one wears. However what one wears would make a difference if one wins against or loses to the goblins.

[slender skiff]

Indeed

At least

Wear chainmail

[thick edge]

Historically chainmail did not protect against arrows. In the first episode the goblins shoot poisoned arrows.

[stable herald]

Be like goblin slayer, light armour but well equipped and protected

[slender skiff]

*old armour

[stable herald]

i didnt say new armor tho

[slender skiff]

Nah specifically old armour

[stable herald]

i see

[slender skiff]

GS himself says it

New armour makes too much noise

[stable herald]

well i do wondering, is the armor type like his arent manufactured anymore?

oh i see

[slender skiff]

So he prefers to fix up his beat up one

Also to make it more dull

Clean armour also has well

A smell

Also GS wears chainmail under his leather armour

[thick edge]

Usually blades are described as dull and and one wants their blade to be sharp. One also wants to look sharp.

Clean armor has a smell but dirty armor doesn’t? uh oh stinky

[slender skiff]

The smell of metal

Rather

[thick edge]

Goblin Slayer wears three armors?

[slender skiff]

I just checked the wiki

He wears a leather armour with metal plates

And chain mail underneath

Also a helmet

Dull in the sense of colour btw

[thick edge]

I don’t trust wikis. I get my information from the source.

[slender skiff]

Nah I do remember him wearing chainmail

[thick edge]

If Goblin Slayer wears chainmail underneath his armor he should wear it underneath his helmet too like knights in the 11th century.

[slender skiff]

I'm 100% sure he wore chainmail in the source material

I'll need to go dig up when he says it though

[slender skiff]

The very first page

Wait I cropped badly lmao

All his basic equipment

This is what the dwarf says regarding his equipment

[echo quiver]

too bad chainmail in your face doesn't make you look as cool

[flat cedar]

You know whats funny

the origins of goblin slayer

started iirc from 2/4chan

[echo quiver]

sounds reasonable

[slender skiff]

I mean

Katawa Shoujo started from Raita (a famous H artist who also does characters in FGO) and was developed by 4chan

Into arguably one of the best VNs out there

[echo quiver]

so what im hearing is that 4chan is a breeding grounds for degeneracy culture and art

[slender skiff]

Like under 1% of the time

Yes

[queen canyon]

ain't katawa shoujo about disable girls?

[echo quiver]

[stable herald]

what

[queen canyon]

iPhone 20 Pro Max be like

[pallid osprey]

And you hold it by double hand?

[thick edge]

Chainmail was not “in the face”. Knights in the 11th century wore the hauberk. A shirt made out of rings of iron that could protect one’s major organs from anything that was not a direct shot from a longbow.

Goblin Slayer should be wearing this. Chainmail combined with a helmet and a shield as the knight on the right has in his left hand. You can see the hauberk underneath the chest plate and below the helmet.

[pallid osprey]

The production on this

Bro

even better on anime

[stable herald]

hot petite girl

when will she grow like her sister

but stay flat please

[pallid osprey]

Nah

I like her be like that

[stable herald]

wait yami

[pallid osprey]

Like both of them have unique pretty

[stable herald]

how old is she again?

[pallid osprey]

She 24

[stable herald]

oh alr an adult

[pallid osprey]

her sister 22

[stable herald]

no room for her growth

yeah, then her petite self is alr suffice

[pallid osprey]

If I can choose between Tatsumaiki and her sister

I would choose both

[slender skiff]

ain't katawa shoujo about disable girls?
It is @queen canyon@stable herald

it genuinely is

and if you're interested in VNs

I do highly recommend it

It's foc anyways

[pallid osprey]

Why they have to make all the girl in OPM so hot

[slender skiff]

https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1510640856864202759

A.I.R (Anime Intelligence (and) Research) (@AIR_News01)

"Attack on Titan Final Season" final part announced for 2023:

https://t.co/T2lmyWuXQD

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not that anyone here likes AoT

https://www.katawa-shoujo.com/

but yes here it is for anyone who wants to try

why no thumbail lmao

Clyde pls

[pallid osprey]

Anime not END yet?

[slender skiff]

ofc not

[pallid osprey]

I thought today is eps 12 season 4 part 2 already

Keep going on 2023?

[slender skiff]

yes, and they're saying there's more

apparently

[pallid osprey]

bruh

[slender skiff]

idfk

i don't watch aot

[pallid osprey]

Why not

I disgust what in AoT

[slender skiff]

maybe don't is a strong word

i intend to but have not

probably will one day

[pallid osprey]

Do you know the word

"Fan service"?

Ender

[slender skiff]

ofc i do

https://youtu.be/3qU90_SJe3g

fan service

[pallid osprey]

No

Like

do you know what it mean

[slender skiff]

yes ofc i do

[pallid osprey]

Explaination plz

[slender skiff]

to put it nicely

[pallid osprey]

I dont get it

[slender skiff]

fanservice are little scenes that are clearly not necessary to the show but are there purely for the viewer's pleasure

it's usually ecchi fanservice

as in the occasional pantsu shot

or a hot springs bath where everyone is almost certainly naked

[pallid osprey]

Well

That's new

[slender skiff]

it's nothing new

[pallid osprey]

No

I mean

[slender skiff]

i'm more surprised you don't even know the meaning

[pallid osprey]

ur explaination is diff from what I know

[slender skiff]

every ecchi anime has copious amounts of fanservice

but as i said, it need not be limited to ecchi

[pallid osprey]

I do but in diff perspective

[slender skiff]

fanservice can also be in the form of cameos

or references

For example

that 2nd panel from a chapter of tonikawa has 3 very familiar looking characters

[stable herald]

Yeah she got jealoused

[stable herald]

i see kaguya

[slender skiff]

if you got kaguya, you probably got shirogane

[queen canyon]

https://c.tenor.com/8H85zIHpboMAAAAM/frau-koujiro.gif

[stable herald]

also, that dude

[slender skiff]

and the other one is also very obvious

[queen canyon]

https://c.tenor.com/yMvuHmwmK0sAAAAM/yuushibu-yuusha.gif

[slender skiff]

it's a famous school battle superpower shounen

[pallid osprey]

I didn't know back then but now when I reading Manhua(Chinese manga) or Manhwa(Korean manga), when they repeat or copy some of the motip like mc OP from others original series over and over again, they called it fanservice cuz a lot amount of people when reading Manhua or Manhwa really enjoy and feel pleaser when seeing mc can do what ever he want

[stable herald]

index

?

right?

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mha

[stable herald]

oh

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IT'S DEKU

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oh yeah, that dude from index never wear necktie

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yeah that's a kind of fanservice too

[queen canyon]

bloodbath in manhua is the fanservice

[slender skiff]

but that's more of
lack of creativity

rather than fan service

[stable herald]

true

just like the mc from my wife is a demon lord

[queen canyon]

i rarely read cultivation manhua rn

[slender skiff]

https://youtu.be/PYPZum8Pxvc

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he said he's a structural engineer

chapters later he can even built an ironman suit

[queen canyon]

only read ones that already have hundreds or thousands of chapters

[queen canyon]

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and then we have fanservice that goes beyond parodies

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thats becuz most of then got split chapters

[queen canyon]

no

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Whenever a Manhua or Manhwa like that coming out, they say stuff like "Ahh, another fanservice manga. I expected more good plot manga nowaday than these OP mc"

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dude also built an atomic bomb

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basically

fanservice in that context

is more of

in weeb context

[stable herald]

imma go schleep. gn yall

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we call that a Power Fantasy

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[queen canyon]

i mean manhua like
Legendary Mechanic or The Game That I came from is fresh

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Power Fantasy is the more accurate term for this specific kind of trend

[queen canyon]

and I'm not evil god's lackey

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and most isekais also fall into the power fantasy cliche

[queen canyon]

and nowadays manhwa is

ehh

dungeon and player bs

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like 90% of isekais are power fantasies

and ever since solo levelling

[queen canyon]

Zhuge Liang Time Travel lol

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so are manhua and manhwa

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yeah from that Manhwa

[flat cedar]

Most of the stuff have some inspriation from Lost Ark and

Dungeon&Fighter

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A lot are copy the motip

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not really copy

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aka DFO in the west

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solo levelling just decided to copy the japanese

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and they realise

huh

power fantasy

[queen canyon]

this is surprisingly good lol

[flat cedar]

DNF is as old as WOW

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is ALSO popular in korea

who would have thought

guess which series popularised power fantasy in japan...

it starts with S

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Is the power fantasy start from Rudy?

[queen canyon]

sao

mf

[slender skiff]

SAO yes

In mushoku, Rudeus is very strong yes

but he's deliberately written NOT to be a gary stu/power fantasy chara

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Eh even Kirito is hacking, he useless in half of s4

[queen canyon]

isekai bs starter pack
mc is either anti sosial loser or salary man

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i mean

SAO is much older than mushoku

like

6? years older

SAO WN was 2003 i think?, mushoku wn was 2011
8

SAO is one

the other is Irregular at Magic Highschool

[queen canyon]

[pallid osprey]

Oh

The siscon one?

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yes

both of those were huge hits

sorry

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He OP from the start

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are

huge hits

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Not like Rudy or Kirito, at least they have build up

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kirito has no build up lol

are we even watching the same show

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He aint shit as a new player

The diff is somehow he can hack

We;;

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you forgot him carrying them in the first boss?

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Oh yeah

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and then later with gleam eyes

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2 sword Unique skill

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and then later with heathcliff

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Well

I bet Rudy still better anime

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and THEN later with eugene in fairy dance

and THEN that tower with impossible as knights

and THEN hacking the game to torture the guy

[queen canyon]

and then

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and THEEEEEN to beat the guy with a knife in real life
when he JUST came out of rehab after being bedridden for 2 years?

and that's just s1

don't even get me started on the whole laughing coffins nonsense, the arcs with silica and lisbeth too

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Well I hate to say that a lot of Isekai making OP mc like that. It is ok if some but god if 90% Isekai like that kinda make Isekai tags more trash

[slender skiff]

mushoku is obviously a way better series

though it has it's own flaws

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Yeah I like how Drama and Tragedic involve

[queen canyon]

i like op isekai when it's SoL

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i've been killing slimes for 300 years and maxed my level

[queen canyon]

Leadale is good

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right

i need to watch that

[queen canyon]

try this

fucking underrated

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didn't ep 1 just came out like

ytd

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I know that one, I didnt count is as Isekai + power fantasy, I count is as Isekai +Comedy

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slow down

it's not a power fantasy

because she doesn't go around beating people to progress the story

story is... mega chill

or rather

she doesn't MAGICALLY gain new powers

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She still over power tho

[queen canyon]

what progress do you need when she can just obliterated the whole world if she want?

[slender skiff]

the king of power fantasy is isekai smartphone though

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But the series focuz on comedy that why I like it

[slender skiff]

ya ain't gonna beat isekai smartphone in terms of power fantasy

[queen canyon]

well the story will be better when the mecha bs show up

but the anime will become Mecha

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it's so bad it's good

<- says the one who read it like 6-7x

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Speaking of this, there is one more point I would like to talk about

[queen canyon]

sadly no s2, yet

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isekai smartphone?

0 chance, and thank goodness

give a chance to better isekais

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You know like how the plot of Power fantasy goes like so smooth? Like every time mc meet enemy stronger time by time, he still beat it no matter what. It make the plot so lame cuz no plot twist, no hard time, no drama, no diff decision to make.

It's only satisfied kids

not with a real weeb

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that's why it's called a power fantasy...

[slender skiff]

you say that

but well

they are very popular

the well written ones in particular

[pallid osprey]

I can say this i did satisfied when smartphone was on stream

but now when I watch it again

it feel so lame

and bored

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it is lame

lol

[queen canyon]

it always is

lol

we need another overlord

[slender skiff]

no one has been successful

[queen canyon]

[slender skiff]

in making another overlord

[queen canyon]

that's the point

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Overlord

He already strong

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it's difficult to make one without making the protag be a complete asshole

[queen canyon]

https://c.tenor.com/jZaswrcrsJ4AAAAM/albedo.gif

https://c.tenor.com/xCivDowikgEAAAAM/pandoras-actor-anime.gif

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and he know the world better than people in that world

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the art of writing an anti hero is a difficult one

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thats what i want lmao

that would be really funny

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that would just be a revenge fantasy

...like redo

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Yeah I would say Overlord is the best anti hero I have watched

[grizzled acorn]

redo was really funny

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frankly

[grizzled acorn]

from an ironic pov

[slender skiff]

overlord isn't good because of its characters

[queen canyon]

Wenn Es Meines Gottes Wille Is

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characters are its weaker part if anything

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It is, I enjoy it as comedy show not NTR tho

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especially the main cast

the main cast is easily the weakest part of overlord

ainz himself aside of course

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I just think Ainz is funny

as a anti hero

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most of the nazarick denizens get little to no character development

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that why I enjoy the show

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when people say antihero in anime

there's really only one show

well 2 if you count death note

[grizzled acorn]

does kiritsugu count?

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though it's debatable

kerry... could be

[queen canyon]

Code Geass

?

[slender skiff]

yeah it's code geass lmao

[grizzled acorn]

howd i forget lelouch

lmao

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it's the first one people think of

[grizzled acorn]

my mind went right to kerry

[slender skiff]

i would say kiritsugu is an anti-hero ye

but people usually jump to lelouch in code geass first

that or light

but whether light is an anti hero is... eh

i don't really consider light an anti hero

[queen canyon]

Hellshing Ultimate

Samurai Camploo

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Yall talk about kiritsugu Emiya?

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yes

he is an anti hero by definition

[queen canyon]

Saga of Tanya the Evil

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actually

now that i think about it

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Why did he save Shirou then?

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ainz isn't an anti hero ... half the time

[pallid osprey]

Anti hero dont save people

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that's not what anti hero means

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

an anti hero is someone who takes drastic, often destructive measures to achieve their goals, which are normally for the greater good

[queen canyon]

does hyakkimaru count as anti hero?

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who

[queen canyon]

dororo

smh

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I know that manga

havent read it

[slender skiff]

an anti villain is the opposite

ainz is half anti hero half villain

depending on the situation

anti villains well

think team rocket

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So you are saying you not enjoy Overlord?

Well I guess we not the sam

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i enjoy overlord because of its world building

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

that is overlord's main strength

and frankly

[queen canyon]

Ainz is anti villain yes

[slender skiff]

the side characters like jircniv and later neia are MUCH better written than most of the main cast

AINZ IS NOT ANTI VILLAIN

[grizzled acorn]

i think the stuff that happens in overlord is good, none of the characters are anything special, really

[slender skiff]

[queen canyon]

in the eyes of isekai peeps

[slender skiff]

nah

he isn't

[pallid osprey]

Ainz is Villiane

[slender skiff]

^

pretty much lol

[pallid osprey]

And anti hero

[queen canyon]

[slender skiff]

anti villain is someone who does villainous things in a rather uh

[queen canyon]

noble

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not villainous way

yeah

[pallid osprey]

He do what the fuck he want to open Nazzaric to the world

[slender skiff]

team rocket is a good example of anti villain

well

the main 3 at least

greed in FMAB would be an anti villain

[queen canyon]

so anti villain is just like
uh
Satsuki Kiryuin?

[slender skiff]

that works ye

[queen canyon]

all she want is to stop her mother

[pallid osprey]

Like they are villain but not do what villain suppose to do

Is Overlord s5 this year

?

[slender skiff]

s4 is july

movie unknown release date

[pallid osprey]

We have new side character

which is build up more than the main cast

[slender skiff]

yes

jircniv gets more character development

[flat cedar]

tfw satsuki's mother was incestuous

yabai

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and then gets abandoned by the story

neia is the main one

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epic embed fail

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L... isn't really anti villain

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Ayo scam link

[queen canyon]

lol

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if anything L is technically the hero

i would argue light to be more villain than anti hero

[grizzled acorn]

L is the antagonist, but hes the hero

[slender skiff]

^^^

correct

[pallid osprey]

Light?

[grizzled acorn]

light is the villain, but hes the protagonist

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^^^

perfect summary

[queen canyon]

^^^^

[grizzled acorn]

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Hm

Kinda confuse now

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the short answer is

[queen canyon]

i need to sleep

[grizzled acorn]

that wasnt the short answer?

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what is Protagonist, Antagonist, Villain?

[slender skiff]

the protagonist is the main character

one

main character

it's who the story follows

[pallid osprey]

That doesn't count as short answer if I dont get the meaning

[grizzled acorn]

:(

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in horimiya, the protagonist is miyamura

in overlord it is ainz

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antagonist?

[slender skiff]

the story revolves around this one character, the protagonist

[pallid osprey]

like OPM?

[slender skiff]

the antagonist is the opposing force, or the enemy to the protagonist

OPM has several antagonists

biggest currently being

what's his name

gorou?

[pallid osprey]

yeah

He is anti hero

[slender skiff]

no he is not

lol

[pallid osprey]

Yes he is

[grizzled acorn]

he is just straightup a villain

[pallid osprey]

want a debate?

[slender skiff]

^

[pallid osprey]

Ender

I sure I can win

[slender skiff]

explain to me, how anything gorou does is for the betterment of the rest of the cast

[pallid osprey]

If he a Villain he aint help the boy

Yes he is Villain later

But he was a anti hero

[slender skiff]

. . .

an anti hero for like

[grizzled acorn]

anti heroes do bad things but for a good cause

[slender skiff]

before the story of saitama lol

he tried to be a hero

failed

and became a villain

that's gorou

[pallid osprey]

He agianst hero to save the boy

[slender skiff]

if you mean that scene in s2

that... one scene alone doesn't mean he's an anti hero

if you want an actual anti hero

[grizzled acorn]

garou is a little convoluted, but hes still not an anti hero

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stain from MHA

he's much more of an anti hero than garou

[pallid osprey]

What is he then

[grizzled acorn]

a villain

[slender skiff]

garou is mostly just a villain

[grizzled acorn]

one act of kindness doesnt completely redeem him

[slender skiff]

a rather nuanced villain as said

but still a villain

[pallid osprey]

But one act of badness did?

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one

everything ELSE

[pallid osprey]

[grizzled acorn]

one?

are you sure about that

[pallid osprey]

I mean

He do against hero

I guess he a villain then

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for what reason

[grizzled acorn]

he wanted to become a monster

is the reason

[slender skiff]

exactly

he didn't have some grand reason like Stain did in MHA

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I thought he refused it