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slender skiff
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That is a fairly early plot point

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That doesn't spoil the identity of saber

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Because

silver robin
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oh

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my bad

slender skiff
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IT'S the same saber

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In zero and ubw

pallid osprey
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what did I just see

silver robin
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nothing

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you saw nothign

slender skiff
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Nothing

silver robin
slender skiff
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But ya they're the same sabers

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It's shown in the poster lmao

silver robin
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yeah they look the same

slender skiff
silver robin
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oh right

slender skiff
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And saber of red

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And realise they're 2 different servants

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That look like the og

silver robin
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aren't they all different classes from og saber as well

slender skiff
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NOPE

silver robin
slender skiff
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Only Jeanne is different

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That's why they're called saber of red

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Or red saber

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Because they are sabers

stable herald
pallid osprey
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Just a bonus question

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what is the strongest class in fate?

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is it saber?

slender skiff
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Stay night says it's saber

pallid osprey
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no

silver robin
slender skiff
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Reality isn't so clear

pallid osprey
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the entire series

slender skiff
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The answer is

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There isn't one

silver robin
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it depends on the timeline

slender skiff
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Or rather

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What servant is summoned in what class

pallid osprey
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I feel like archer is the weakest

slender skiff
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Archer
Weakest

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Well

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Wellllll

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Strictly speaking

silver robin
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wellll

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you will see

slender skiff
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The archer Rin summons doesn't have the best stats

silver robin
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there are badass archers

slender skiff
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But stats are just stats

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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Doesn't matter if their stats are bad if their practical combat ability is through the roof

pallid osprey
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long fight distance

slender skiff
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Nah that's just cos berserker is that broken

silver robin
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i am the bone of my sword

pallid osprey
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can be counter by assassin or rider

silver robin
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is that the line

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idk

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anyways

slender skiff
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If archer fights seriously

silver robin
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all the heroes are roughly equal anyway technically

slender skiff
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He can take down berserker halfway

silver robin
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its all about how one engages the other thats the main diff

pallid osprey
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I mean archer in apocrypha pretty good tho

slender skiff
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Aside from a certain other archer

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Honestly?

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No

pallid osprey
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just the archer class might not the best

slender skiff
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Chiron is wicked strong

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But atalante is weak

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Especially compared to rin's archer

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Or well

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Fate/Zero's archer

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Who is one of the most powerful characters in the entire series

pallid osprey
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what is your fav class tho?

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mine is Lancer

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dont know why

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it just look cool

slender skiff
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I don't really have a favourite

pallid osprey
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you only dont have any favourite character when the anime is suck or the anime has every character built as it best

slender skiff
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Nah I mean

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The class has many servants

silver robin
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theres like so many fate characters

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yeah

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lol

slender skiff
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There are many lancers

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There are many archers

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Etc

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If you mean just within fate stay night itself

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Then yes, I would definitely say lancer in fate stay night

pallid osprey
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ah yes

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the answer I want

slender skiff
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If it's fate zero I would say rider

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If it's apocrypha I would say saber of red

pallid osprey
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Whut about you @silver robin

silver robin
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uhhh

pallid osprey
silver robin
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its been a while

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but id also say ubw lancer or ubw archer

slender skiff
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Lancer is just

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Badass

silver robin
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yeah PortDoll

slender skiff
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And absurdly strong

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Just

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Massively nerfed

pallid osprey
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Nah, if say about strong most the comment refer saber

slender skiff
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I mean

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Saber usually has the strongest servants

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That's what they say

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And if you throw just victories and losses

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Saber probably will come up on top

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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To put it nicely

pallid osprey
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look at this dude

slender skiff
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Any servant that can fight berserker is very strong

pallid osprey
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no strong at all

slender skiff
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Fate stay night berserker is just

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Absurd

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Since ubw never explains it

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And neither does HF

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I'll explain I briefly

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Berserker in stay night

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Has 12 lives

pallid osprey
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They dont explain class strong point a weakness

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I wonder why

slender skiff
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12 by no exaggeration

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Each time he loses a life

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He becomes immune to that method of death

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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Only one servant is able to defeat berserker in a 1 on 1 fight in the series

pallid osprey
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SABER?

slender skiff
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It's not an introduced character yet

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Saber only takes out 5 or 6 in the original show (by blasting him continuously from the inside)

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Archer takes out 5

pallid osprey
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Hey Ender

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they talking about war

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in general

silver robin
slender skiff
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What

pallid osprey
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look up

silver robin
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ender general is going a bit off topic

pallid osprey
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I see tank uo there

silver robin
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and by a bit i mean its mainly like 2 guys

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its not really war, its more just off-topic military stuff

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anyways offtopic so bonk ShiSleep

pallid osprey
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Isn't we have off topic channel?

silver robin
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yes

slender skiff
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Also

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New bisque chap apparently

pallid osprey
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anyway

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back to fate stay night

slender skiff
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Like

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You remarked Rin's archer did no damage to berserker

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But iirc

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He actually does kill off berserker once in that sniping battle

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When he tells rin and all to get away

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Just that berserker regenerates so fast

pallid osprey
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Ender

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I dont get it

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when Saber fight Berserker

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Berserker's master literately can be killed by archer

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but archer choose to protect Rin

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from distance

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instead of just attacking Ber's Master?

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That doesnt make any sense

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@slender skiff

stable herald
slender skiff
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If they tried to attack berserker's master

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Berserker would just pull back

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If you watch the fight closely

stable herald
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even when he got occupied by saber, the mf can literally swiftly come to his master

slender skiff
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They even remark that berserker is unexpectedly agile

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More so than saber even

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And archer

stable herald
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berserker literally tanks 3 heroic lmao

slender skiff
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Berserker has very sharp instinct shall we say

pallid osprey
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No sense but sure

slender skiff
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I mean

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Berserker

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Is literally the greatest warrior of all history

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His instincts are literally god like

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He even has a skill for it yes

pallid osprey
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So Berserker is the strongest class?

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yes

slender skiff
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No

pallid osprey
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wtf

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Ender

slender skiff
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Just this particular berserker

pallid osprey
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you fuvk my mind twice

stable herald
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thats how good berserker is, but godlike like what ender said

slender skiff
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Stay night berserker is wicked strong

stable herald
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even if youre occupied, you can still focuses on the main stuff

stable herald
slender skiff
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Strongest few in the whole franchise

stable herald
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unfortunate

slender skiff
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Zero fails to compare even though he's pretty strong himself

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Berserker of black in apoc is pretty shit

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Berserker of red is just a damage sponge

slender skiff
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For one simple reason

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For more power

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They lose sanity

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Reasoning

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Intelligence

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Strategy

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They are forced to brute force their way through problems

pallid osprey
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I dont think this berserker has that issue

slender skiff
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Literally unga bunga

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He does

pallid osprey
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he fast as fuck as a berserker

slender skiff
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It should be noted that this particular servant

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Is weakest when summoned as berserker

pallid osprey
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Oh

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so we have

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a formular

slender skiff
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If he was summoned into any other class

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He would be even stronger

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(well he can't be summone as a caster)

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There is a formula to summon a servant as a berserker yes

pallid osprey
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Weakest Master summon Strongest servant
Strongest Master summon Weakest servant

slender skiff
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Not really

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Illya is probably the strongest master

pallid osprey
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really?

slender skiff
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Yes

pallid osprey
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and she got this servant

slender skiff
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Unexpected isn't it?

pallid osprey
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she OP as fuck

slender skiff
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Strongest because she's the only one with the mana to let berserker run unfazed

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Combat wise she isn't as strong as some other masters
But she has body guards

pallid osprey
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yeaha

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but Astolfo still best girl

slender skiff
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And frankly you don't really need a better bodyguard than berserker

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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It takes an equally cheat character to take out berserker

slender skiff
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The 2 maids will definitely take out shirou in a fight

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Rin would have a hard time alone

pallid osprey
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What is Noble Phantasm?

slender skiff
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When lancer uses gae bolg

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At the start

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Against saber

pallid osprey
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Oh

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like mana?

slender skiff
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For example

pallid osprey
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to use special skill?

slender skiff
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Trump card basically

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Astolfo has a few

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One of them is his hippogryph

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Another is his shield

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Another is his sword

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Most servants only have 1 noble phantasm

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It's usually only the riders that have more than one

pallid osprey
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But this Berserker noble phantasm automatically activate when we injury?

slender skiff
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Berserker having 12 lives is his noble phantasm yes

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They need not be offensive

pallid osprey
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Mean berserker NP is his body?

slender skiff
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It's a trump card

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Well

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For berserker

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His noble phantasm is basically

pallid osprey
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Body is a weapon

slender skiff
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He has 12 lives

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Each time he is killed he becomes immune to that method of killing

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His body can only be hurt by attacks of a certain strength

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Which is why archer's initial blows couldn't hurt him

pallid osprey
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Oh

slender skiff
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Only the super shot he did towards the end of that fight

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Where it caused an explosion

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That actually killed berserker once

pallid osprey
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Spoiler

slender skiff
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I mean

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It's the fight in the graveyard

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You were talking about

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I mean

pallid osprey
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eps 3

slender skiff
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Not like it mattered

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Berserker's many lives don't really matter outside the original 2006 anime

pallid osprey
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But RIn talk about A rank Noble Phantasm

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mean

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there is S rank

slender skiff
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Well

pallid osprey
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or higher?

slender skiff
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After A is EX

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But there's A+

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A++

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A+++

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Etc

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EX basically cannot be measured by normal means

pallid osprey
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So A rank is just normal?

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not outstanding ?

slender skiff
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A is very high rank

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EX doesn't mean it's strong

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Just that it cannot be measured

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A is outstanding

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Very few servants have A rank

pallid osprey
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but you tell me Rin archer is meh

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in this series

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like not the best archer

slender skiff
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I didn't though

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That's what you said

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Yes

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He isn't

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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He really isn't

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Saying anything more spoils the second half

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Rin's archer is strong

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Just not the best

pallid osprey
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I know

slender skiff
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Zero's archer makes berserker look weak

pallid osprey
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there is a archer

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that look like Rin

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she use her legs

slender skiff
pallid osprey
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as a bow

slender skiff
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What

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Ishtar I'm guessing

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But that's not her legs...?

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Just watch the show honestly

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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It's hard not to spoil anything

pallid osprey
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that one

slender skiff
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Ishtar doesn't use her legs as a bow

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Anyways just watch

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Hard not to spoil anything

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Especially about that other archer

pallid osprey
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why ishtar look like Rin

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at least explain that

slender skiff
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No

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Because it's an entirely different continuity

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Which would require a lot more explanation

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Ishtar is from grand order

pallid osprey
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are they sister tho?

slender skiff
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Short answer is yes

pallid osprey
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why so many character look the same

slender skiff
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Grand order is extremely confusing

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To put it nicely

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Get through those 3 first

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And if you somehow aren't confused

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Then consider the rest

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Until then

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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For the sake of your sanity

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Ignore everything else

pallid osprey
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I seen Ishtar when browsing figure for fate series

slender skiff
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Grand order is a separate continuity just ignore it for now

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It's even more painful to explain

pallid osprey
slender skiff
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You're better off playing the damn game than me explaining to you

pallid osprey
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We have game?

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about fate?

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I dont know that

slender skiff
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Only one of the most well earning mobile games of all time yes

pallid osprey
pallid osprey
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what is that about

slender skiff
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Only second to Genshin and Uma Musume

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Actually

pallid osprey
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like Azurlane?

slender skiff
pallid osprey
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stragergy>

slender skiff
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Turn based combat

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With strategy yes

pallid osprey
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ehhh

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no

slender skiff
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And yet it's one of the most well earning mobile games of all time

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Dec 2021 monthly sales for mobile games

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Fgo being fate grand order

pallid osprey
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I think Azur lane better

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I will stick to AL

slender skiff
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I mean

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No one said they were good games

pallid osprey
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See you later Ender

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Imma sleep now

ivory mauve
slender skiff
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They are still not dating

silver robin
ivory mauve
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New chapter just dropped

slender skiff
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All I can say is

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Looks like hell is gonna break lose soon

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Also poor juju

echo river
stable herald
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Holy shit they rlly pulled off the arc where mc fought the 2 demon general

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and hes smart using the ring as bomb

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They though the mc is a weakling,

but they got beaten very hard after he released 3rd ring lmao (1st and 2nd got off by his chopped finger lol)

grizzled acorn
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what does any of that mean

stable herald
# grizzled acorn what does any of that mean

if u watched the anime, if the ring is on its full capacity. and not handled well, it have chances to explode as big as a Napalm's explosion. He used like 5-7 rings to strike the demon general

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Thats basically an atomic bomb

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imagine 10 rings, or more could've been a Tsar

ivory mauve
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@stable herald

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Yassss

stable herald
ivory mauve
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Megatron and the decepticons wtf

stable herald
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yeah its wholesome how the sword is an old friend of perserk

stable herald
ivory mauve
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Very wholesome

ivory mauve
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This brings back so many memories

slender skiff
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@plain garden

ivory mauve
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Yo what

slender skiff
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They were talking about it during the overlord S4 stream

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@warm cobalt

thorn briar
slender skiff
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I like how

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In the pv

warm cobalt
slender skiff
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Subaru is running holding Beatrice's hand

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Ah continuity is wonderful

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warm cobalt
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ain't the golem gargantua lol

slender skiff
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We've never seen him

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So hard to say for sure

warm cobalt
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that's for sure

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gargantua

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*by the design

gusty light
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Veterans
Can you tell me
The Azur Lane comics
In order, from start to recent???
UniCry UniCry UniCry

(Only title)

queen canyon
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@stable herald been reading this up to chapter 2
and yes
it's the "Corporate slave - disable/sick sister - Gets unreasonable 'opportunity'" pattern again

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c'mon

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it becomes JP's isekai bs but KR

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too mainstream i am already sick of it

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Regressed MC is better than this pattern

flat cedar
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has some subpar manwa these days

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Also

queen canyon
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the story is decent, i admit

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BUT FFS

flat cedar
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who

queen canyon
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not this pattern again

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idk

flat cedar
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I can recognise she's from Tanya's world

queen canyon
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someone mentioned that, but i forgor

flat cedar
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Also I wonder if cautious hero will show up in this

queen canyon
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go look at the comments

flat cedar
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since they were supposed to be in S3

queen canyon
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i remember someone mentioned it
those new charas

flat cedar
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Oh

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they are ORIGINAL

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chars.

queen canyon
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this

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prolly OG charas

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never heard of em

plain garden
stable herald
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YOOOOO WHAT THE HELL

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deadpool infiltrated this manga

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@ivory mauve

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To make this story as dark as DC story

Thats straight out Marvel insults to DC AkagiLUL

solid nebula
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Very nice deadpool

slender skiff
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Nice

stable herald
pallid osprey
slender skiff
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Only the biggest romcom of the last few years

pallid osprey
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What does romcom mean HelenaPeek

slender skiff
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Romantic comedy

pallid osprey
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Oh

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Is it improve my teasing skill when I watch it?

slender skiff
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What

echo quiver
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you're thinking of dating games

slender skiff
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Why would anime teach you how to tease better

echo quiver
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maybe you'd know if you watched more anime

slender skiff
echo quiver
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just choose the right option

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in real life

slender skiff
pallid osprey
slender skiff
echo quiver
#

anime is educational

echo river
#

but ok

#

also ender why do you even reply to yami

#

ask how many of the anime suggested he watched

slender skiff
echo river
#

yeah between anime and manga id say so

silver robin
pallid osprey
#

Im on fate tho

pallid osprey
#

Hey Ender

#

Some of the comment said

#

fate has 3 route

#

Ubw is Rin route

#

2006 series is saber route

#

heavens feel is Sakura route

#

is that true?

#

So what is grand order route then

echo quiver
#

the 3 routes are like

#

"what if" situations to the shirou/rin/sakura story

#

different endings and whatnot

#

fate grand order is a different story set a few years after the shirou/rin/sakura nonsense

#

fuyuki holy grail war was in like... 2004 or something

#

and FGO takes place in uh... idk, whenever it was released

#

since it uses real time

#

sort of

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

due to the uh...

#

pruning theory thingy

#

there's a bunch of different timelines and worlds

#

so all of them can be canon if you want them to be

pallid osprey
#

But who behind holy grail?

echo quiver
#

the root

pallid osprey
#

Root of what

echo quiver
#

the grail is a tool that draws upon the root

pallid osprey
#

Alien?

echo quiver
#

no one really knows what the root is, but it's theorized to be... uh

#

this super awesome and magical place that's the root of all magic and stuff

pallid osprey
#

Isn't the holy grail belong to god?

echo quiver
#

no

#

gods are nothing compared to the grail and the root

#

although shiki is an exception of sorts

#

being... shiki

#

it's important to not think too hard about fate lore

#

a lot of it is vague on purpose

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

according to fate lore, magic is based upon mystics, and mystics are based upon mysteries, and mysteries only have power if they're mysterious. or something along those lines

#

so the more you know about magic, the more powerful it is, but if everyone knows about magic, then it is no longer mysterious

#

and magic, overall, loses its power

pallid osprey
#

But at the beginning of ubw

echo quiver
#

which is one of the reasons why magic was extremely powerful inthe age of gods, but it's weaker in modern times

slender skiff
#

lol

pallid osprey
#

There is only nomiya has power

#

So

slender skiff
#

i already said earlier

#

grand order is a separate continuity

#

it has very little to do with fate/stay night

pallid osprey
#

So just those people who being chosen by the holy grail can use magic?

slender skiff
#

no

#

wut

#

anyone that has the aptitude can use magic

#

shirou could use magic before the war

echo quiver
#

the grail is like a battery

slender skiff
#

just... very weak magic

echo quiver
#

a really, really big battery

#

for mana

slender skiff
#

the grail chooses who can summon servants

#

or acts as a catalyst to summon servants

pallid osprey
#

Cuz at the beginning, there is no one can use magic except nomiya, and he use power to help people fixing things aroud school

echo quiver
#

you can use it to summon a super strong servant that draws upon magic from both you and the grail

slender skiff
#

wut

#

rin can use magic

#

and... very strong ones

#

it's just that emiya doesn't know anyone else who can use magic

#

not that there isn't anyone that can use magic

#

shirou is on the weak end of mages if anything

echo quiver
#

there's hundreds of mages in the world

slender skiff
#

hundreds, thousands even

echo quiver
#

but there's billions of people on earth

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

so the odds of you meeting another mage in the same school is highly unlikely

slender skiff
#

aptitude

#

something you're born with basically

echo quiver
#

i mean, it also helps if you have a magic crest

slender skiff
#

to briefly touch on it

echo quiver
#

magic circuits*

slender skiff
#

it's kinda like selective breeding

echo quiver
#

and inheritence

pallid osprey
#

But shidou didnt born with magic, he has been adopted by a guy who can do magic

echo quiver
#

more inheritance than anything tbh

slender skiff
#

the blood basically

#

shirou always had the aptitude

#

just a matter if he was ever trained in it

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

i'm not sure if you even need aptitude

slender skiff
#

nah you need

echo quiver
#

you just have to transplant the magic circuits, no?

slender skiff
#

nope

#

need it

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

it's like

echo quiver
#

they never really explained what would happen if a muggle tried doing magic

slender skiff
#

if your body doesn't have the path even built for the magic to flow

#

it's multiplying 20 or whatever by zero

pallid osprey
#

So normal person without aptitude cannot be chose by the holy grail?

slender skiff
#

well

echo quiver
#

how did waver enter the wizarding world anyway

slender skiff
#

yes yami

#

keyword is chosen by the grail

pallid osprey
slender skiff
echo quiver
#

His grandmother, the first generation, was the lover of a certain magus who picked up the very basics of magecraft during their pillow talk.

#

lmao

pallid osprey
#

I fuck up in both language

slender skiff
#

in a line of wizards

echo quiver
#

during their pillow talk. amazing

slender skiff
#

shirou has aptitude

#

just... really poor aptitude

#

cos it was never cultivated over generations

#

like the tohsakas or the matous

pallid osprey
#

But what about number 7?

#

Why it has tobe 7 servants?

#

You said there can be more people can use magic

slender skiff
#

you need the magic energy of 7 servants to summon the grail to be used

pallid osprey
#

Not only the 7 masters

#

There will be people who is better shidou

#

Just not be chosen by the grail

slender skiff
#

shirou was in the right place at the right time

pallid osprey
#

Why it has to stop at the number 7?

#

If it a war

slender skiff
#

it's explained in zero actually

#

how he did it

pallid osprey
#

It can be more

slender skiff
#

7 is enough

#

that's all

#

the grail decides

#

not the mages

pallid osprey
#

Like there is no exception?

slender skiff
#

apocrypha is the exception

#

if all 7 servants are on the same side

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

the grail allows another 7 to be summoned

pallid osprey
#

So who behind the grail?

slender skiff
#

there isn't anyone

pallid osprey
#

Or just the grail itself has inteligent?

slender skiff
#

yes

#

sort of

pallid osprey
#

Like own awareness?

echo quiver
#

Still, the Circuits are ultimately something unnatural for the human body and their activity will cause pain and numbness to the magus. Their very presence in the human body is something uncommon and an ordinary person will have little to none.

#

sad

#

the real question is if you can transplant circuits to someone without them

pallid osprey
#

Since it named Holy grail, I thought it should relate to god or some sort of spirit religions

slender skiff
#

the holy grail originates from arthurian myth

#

ok

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

well

#

that's one origin

echo quiver
#

and no sane mage would ask the church for anything. probably.

slender skiff
#

it's related to christianity in short

echo quiver
#

Prior to the Fifth Grail War, Shirou believed that he had to โ€œmakeโ€ a new Circuit every time he wanted to perform Magecraft. In each attempt to do so, he temporarily (and inadvertently) converted parts of his nerves into makeshift Magic Circuits.

pallid osprey
#

But how the guy in the church

echo quiver
#

what a god

pallid osprey
#

What his name again?

#

Kirei?

echo quiver
#

jerkwad

#

dumbface

#

esquire

pallid osprey
#

How is kirei being chosen to be the middle man?

#

Who watch the holy grail war

echo quiver
#

he went around {{REDACTED}}

slender skiff
#

lol

echo quiver
#

spoilers

#

so

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

the church basically acts as a neutral party

#

he took over the job from his father

pallid osprey
#

Oh

#

Understood

#

No

#

Wait

#

If the job is move from gen to gen?

#

Mean

echo quiver
#

pretty sure the church gets to choose

slender skiff
#

his father died in the middle of the previous war

echo quiver
#

but kirei is extremely charismatic

slender skiff
#

so he took over in the interim since he was already there in the city

#

it became permanent

#

anything else will be major spoilers for fate zero

pallid osprey
#

No like if the job move from gen to gen, mean the family has convention with the holy grail at the beginning right? Since the grail didn't change other except that family to be neutral party to witness the war from outside

slender skiff
#

not really

#

but since they're familiar with the land

#

they're chosen for the job

#

but the tohsakas, the matous and the einzberns have been there since the beginning yes

echo quiver
#

the church has a lil meeting to decide the person to officiate the war

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

usually the grail wars are spread out across decades, so the previous person is deaderoni anyway

pallid osprey
#

But eps 2 also said

#

You can make your wish to the holy grail if you have it

#

But also said

#

No one can hold the grail for too long?

#

What does it mean?

slender skiff
#

after you use it once it returns to the land

#

basically

echo quiver
#

it's basically a genie with one wish

pallid osprey
#

Is there any limit for the wish?

echo quiver
#

sort of

#

the grail itself isn't actually "all-powerful"

#

it's just a giant mana battery

pallid osprey
#

Cuz I feel like Shidou will wish " this holy grail war will end forever" AkagiLUL

slender skiff
#

the grail provides a means to an end

#

if it's not physically possible

echo quiver
#

to cast a spell, you need a lil mana

slender skiff
#

it wont work

echo quiver
#

to cast a stronger spell, you need more mana

#

now imagine if you have access to an ocean of mana

#

that's what the grail is for. to give you that mana temporarily

pallid osprey
#

How logic is that

slender skiff
#

it means

#

you can't wish for what is impossible

#

like

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

you can't wish a dead person to be brought back to life

#

no

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

like i said

pallid osprey
#

Lame

slender skiff
#

the grail is a means to an end

#

not an omnipotent device

#

for most mages

pallid osprey
#

Grail not powerful, there is no reason to fight for it. Shidou must be so dumb to except the convention

echo quiver
#

you can do almost anything if you're not a shitty mage tho

slender skiff
#

the end they want is to reach the root

echo quiver
#

shirou is dumb

#

haven't you noticed

slender skiff
#

^

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

that's the point

#

he joins in the war because he wants to end it

#

at least in stay night and ubw

pallid osprey
#

But that wish cannot come truth?

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

no one is aware

#

that's how the grail works

echo quiver
#

you have to realize that the grail spawns once every 50 years or something

#

there isn't exactly an instruction manual that comes with it

#

apparently it's 60 years

slender skiff
#

50

#

the 5th is an exception

#

because of what happens in zero

pallid osprey
#

Unless I can wish for anything, im not gonna join that war and waste my life CooperWut

slender skiff
#

it happens again after 10

echo quiver
#

Each Holy Grail is in effect a solidified mass of pure magical energy, which reacts to the wishes of the one who holds it in order to grant them

#

oh, hey

#

you don't actually need to be a decent mage

#

it's self-granting! yaaay

#

quality of life update

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

nah

#

aqua

#

unless you can visualise the means to that goal

#

it doesn't work anyways

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

that's the reason why apoc becomes a race against time towards the end

pallid osprey
#

But only the Master has a wish? What about servant?

#

They fight for Master but get nothin?

slender skiff
#

as far as the normie masters are concerned

echo quiver
#

the grail is very powerful tho. previous mages have used it to become rich, and servants have been able to obtain material bodies

slender skiff
#

the servant also gets a wish

echo quiver
#

they do

echo quiver
#

previous

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

previous

echo quiver
#

shhhhh

slender skiff
#

previous

echo quiver
#

previous

slender skiff
#

ok there have been cases of that happening

#

in alternate timelines

pallid osprey
#

What yall mean? MutsukiHyperStare

slender skiff
#

apocrypha does end with astolfo getting a material body

echo quiver
#

it does?

pallid osprey
#

I knew that

slender skiff
#

yes lol

echo quiver
slender skiff
#

astolfo gains flesh and blood body post apoc

echo quiver
#

im still trying to forget apoc exists

slender skiff
#

apoc is fine

#

last encore is the horror story

pallid osprey
#

But yes Kirei said before it there is a weak master reached to the grail

echo quiver
#

i find that there are two camps of fate fans

#

those who hate apoc
and those who hate last encore

slender skiff
#

nah people universally dislike last encore

#

because it makes no goddamn sense even if you are a fan

#

unless you're familiar with the original game's story it makes 0 sense

echo quiver
#

yes, but you see

pallid osprey
#

I mean Astolfo best girl so I like Apoc BuckyPrideZoom

echo quiver
#

there's red saber in it, umu

slender skiff
#

look

#

even nero fans consider it shit

#

nero fans consider the one grand order chapter that features nero as the main character as an abomination

#

because it's literally written only to praise nero

#

story value out the window

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

nero is a fine character

#

just that last encore is shit

#

apoc is fantastic in comparison

#

and i dislike apoc don't get me wrong lol

pallid osprey
#

Why Ender

#

Why

slender skiff
#

too large cast

#

shitty main characters

echo quiver
#

wait, how did jeanne and astolfo both get bodies. i dont even remember them making wishes

pallid osprey
#

Who main in apoc?

slender skiff
#

...the story is mediocre to begin with but the anime skipped out on some details that actually made it decent

#

jeanne never had a body

echo quiver
#

oh, right

slender skiff
#

jeanne was a pseudo

echo quiver
#

host

#

forgot she kidnapped an innocent girl

slender skiff
#

main in apoc is sieg

#

lol

echo quiver
#

uh

#

no

#

it's necromancer

slender skiff
#

it's supposed to be sieg

echo quiver
pallid osprey
#

Yeah

echo quiver
#

sure it is

slender skiff
#

necromancer (sisigo) just is such a well written character

pallid osprey
#

Nocromancer

#

Main

slender skiff
#

that's what i mean by shitty main characters

#

astolfo isn't well written either

#

neither is jeanne

pallid osprey
#

But they have good fight tho

slender skiff
#

the best written are Sisigo and Mordred

pallid osprey
#

I mean you have to give up some to do some

slender skiff
#

by and far

#

good fight

#

i'll give some credit

#

karna vs sieg and achilles vs chiron are good fights

#

ok and mordred vs semiramis too

#

that's all

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

you can have good fights and a good story

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

...what you're watching now

#

and zero really, is even better

pallid osprey
#

Fate ubw eps4

slender skiff
#

you're at 4 out of

#

24?

#

or 26

#

i forgot

pallid osprey
#

Yeah

slender skiff
#

apoc is the same length

pallid osprey
#

Nu

slender skiff
#

3 memorable fights

#

lol

pallid osprey
#

Apoc is like 12

slender skiff
#

no it isn't

pallid osprey
#

Isnt it

slender skiff
#

it's 24

pallid osprey
#

Man I have to watch apoc after this

#

I forgot everything except Astolfo

slender skiff
#

sorry

#

25

echo quiver
#

i just rewatched that one scene in episode 23 with mordred and necro

#

didn't expect to tear up

pallid osprey
#

So now I know 4/7 master included ill, shidou, Rin, and Sakura BuckyPrideZoom

#

Who are other 3

slender skiff
#

...whaddya mean

#

sakura isn't a master

#

lol

#

at least in ubw she isn't

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

she isn't

#

she actually isn't as far as ubw is concerned

pallid osprey
#

Like the one shidou thought her brother fought her

slender skiff
#

the brother is the master

#

not her

pallid osprey
#

Bruh

slender skiff
#

it's not a big spoiler

thorn briar
#

Shinji ๐Ÿšฎ

pallid osprey
#

Unexpected

slender skiff
#

it's revealed in the next

#

2-3 episodes

#

except

#

in ubw it's just very anticlimatic

#

it's not unexpected

#

he's... very arrogant

#

to say the least

pallid osprey
#

He is ๐Ÿšฎ

echo quiver
#

that's too kind

pallid osprey
#

Holy fuck

#

She said

#

Berserker's Noble phantasm will regen after 3 days

#

How OP is it

echo quiver
#

how is she not the main character again

slender skiff
#

extremely

#

he doesn't regen all lives lost though

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

just "HP lost"

pallid osprey
#

Oh

#

Then it is not that OP

slender skiff
#

uh

#

again

#

what part of

#

you need to kill him 12x

#

he becomes immune to the method of death

#

and that he can only be hurt by a-rank and above attacks

#

is not op

#

lul

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

hm?

#

no, she's a cat, what do you mean

pallid osprey
#

I mean the red saber

#

She has her own lore

#

Right?

echo quiver
#

i guess? Thinkpitz

#

everyone in fate lore has a 10 page biography

slender skiff
#

she does

#

ofc she does

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

thing is

#

who the hell has a way of killing the same guy

#

12 different times

echo quiver
#

have fun killing a 500 pound gorilla 12 times

pallid osprey
slender skiff
#

in 12 different ways

#

no he never manages to do that

#

lol

echo quiver
#

main character is kinda shit tbh

pallid osprey
echo quiver
#

brute strength, speed, and combat experience alone, berserker is unmatched

pallid osprey
#

Why I feel like re:zero mc

echo quiver
#

and he has the cutest cheerleader

#

basically unstoppable

#

and 12 lives on top of that for no reason

slender skiff
#

re:zero mc just has infinite retries

#

his body is perfectly normal otherwise

echo quiver
#

if you shoot him as soon as he wakes up, he'll be stuck in an infinite loop

#

if you shoot berserker, well

#

you better have 11 more bullets

#

very big bullets

slender skiff
#

11 different bullets

#

rather

pallid osprey
#

But he immu to that type of kill

echo quiver
#

i dont think he gets immunity to previous, no?

slender skiff
#

he does

#

yes

echo quiver
#

lmao, what

slender skiff
#

which is why illya is very surprised archer is able to take out 5 or 6 of his lives in the original

pallid osprey
#

Ender the spoiler

slender skiff
#

original

#

not ubw