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Nothing

Wait till he sees red saber
aren't they all different classes from og saber as well
NOPE

Only Jeanne is different
That's why they're called saber of red
Or red saber
Because they are sabers
@echo river
Stay night says it's saber
no

Reality isn't so clear
the entire series
I feel like archer is the weakest
The archer Rin summons doesn't have the best stats
But stats are just stats
no damage at all to berserker
Doesn't matter if their stats are bad if their practical combat ability is through the roof
long fight distance
Nah that's just cos berserker is that broken
i am the bone of my sword
can be counter by assassin or rider
If archer fights seriously
all the heroes are roughly equal anyway technically
He can take down berserker halfway
its all about how one engages the other thats the main diff
I mean archer in apocrypha pretty good tho
just the archer class might not the best
Chiron is wicked strong
But atalante is weak
Especially compared to rin's archer
Or well
Fate/Zero's archer
Who is one of the most powerful characters in the entire series
I don't really have a favourite

you only dont have any favourite character when the anime is suck or the anime has every character built as it best
There are many lancers
There are many archers
Etc
If you mean just within fate stay night itself
Then yes, I would definitely say lancer in fate stay night
Whut about you @silver robin
uhhh

yeah 
Nah, if say about strong most the comment refer saber
I mean
Saber usually has the strongest servants
That's what they say
And if you throw just victories and losses
Saber probably will come up on top
I DONT SEE ANY STRONG IN THIS NOMIYA 
To put it nicely
Any servant that can fight berserker is very strong
no strong at all
Fate stay night berserker is just
Absurd
Since ubw never explains it
And neither does HF
I'll explain I briefly
Berserker in stay night
Has 12 lives
12 by no exaggeration
Each time he loses a life
He becomes immune to that method of death
How wonder they said Berserker can carry other 6 classes as the same time
Only one servant is able to defeat berserker in a 1 on 1 fight in the series
SABER?
It's not an introduced character yet
Saber only takes out 5 or 6 in the original show (by blasting him continuously from the inside)
Archer takes out 5

What
look up
ender general is going a bit off topic
I see tank uo there
and by a bit i mean its mainly like 2 guys
its not really war, its more just off-topic military stuff
anyways offtopic so bonk 
Isn't we have off topic channel?
yes
Like
You remarked Rin's archer did no damage to berserker
But iirc
He actually does kill off berserker once in that sniping battle
When he tells rin and all to get away
Just that berserker regenerates so fast
Ender
I dont get it
when Saber fight Berserker
Berserker's master literately can be killed by archer
but archer choose to protect Rin
from distance
instead of just attacking Ber's Master?
That doesnt make any sense
@slender skiff
yrah maybe no, berserker got hella good reflex
If they tried to attack berserker's master
Berserker would just pull back
If you watch the fight closely
even when he got occupied by saber, the mf can literally swiftly come to his master
They even remark that berserker is unexpectedly agile
More so than saber even
And archer
berserker literally tanks 3 heroic lmao
Berserker has very sharp instinct shall we say
I mean
Berserker
Is literally the greatest warrior of all history
His instincts are literally god like
He even has a skill for it yes
No
Just this particular berserker
you fuvk my mind twice
ok, imagine flag-capture gamemode. Youre protecting the front. but your instinct says someone is flanking you
thats how good berserker is, but godlike like what ender said

Stay night berserker is wicked strong
even if youre occupied, you can still focuses on the main stuff
didnt watch yet
Strongest few in the whole franchise
Zero fails to compare even though he's pretty strong himself
Berserker of black in apoc is pretty shit
Berserker of red is just a damage sponge
Berserker isn't the strongest class
For one simple reason
For more power
They lose sanity
Reasoning
Intelligence
Strategy
They are forced to brute force their way through problems
I dont think this berserker has that issue
he fast as fuck as a berserker
It should be noted that this particular servant
Is weakest when summoned as berserker

If he was summoned into any other class
He would be even stronger
(well he can't be summone as a caster)
There is a formula to summon a servant as a berserker yes
Yes
and she got this servant
Unexpected isn't it?
she OP as fuck
Strongest because she's the only one with the mana to let berserker run unfazed
Combat wise she isn't as strong as some other masters
But she has body guards
And frankly you don't really need a better bodyguard than berserker

It takes an equally cheat character to take out berserker
the 2 maids: 
The 2 maids will definitely take out shirou in a fight
Rin would have a hard time alone
For example
to use special skill?
Trump card basically
Astolfo has a few
One of them is his hippogryph
Another is his shield
Another is his sword
Most servants only have 1 noble phantasm
It's usually only the riders that have more than one
But this Berserker noble phantasm automatically activate when we injury?
Mean berserker NP is his body?
Body is a weapon
He has 12 lives
Each time he is killed he becomes immune to that method of killing
His body can only be hurt by attacks of a certain strength
Which is why archer's initial blows couldn't hurt him
Oh
Only the super shot he did towards the end of that fight
Where it caused an explosion
That actually killed berserker once
eps 3
Not like it mattered
Berserker's many lives don't really matter outside the original 2006 anime
Well
or higher?
After A is EX
But there's A+
A++
A+++
Etc
EX basically cannot be measured by normal means
A is very high rank
EX doesn't mean it's strong
Just that it cannot be measured
A is outstanding
Very few servants have A rank

He really isn't
Saying anything more spoils the second half
Rin's archer is strong
Just not the best
I know
Zero's archer makes berserker look weak

as a bow
What
Ishtar I'm guessing
But that's not her legs...?
Just watch the show honestly
Yeah
It's hard not to spoil anything
that one
Ishtar doesn't use her legs as a bow
Anyways just watch
Hard not to spoil anything
Especially about that other archer
No
Because it's an entirely different continuity
Which would require a lot more explanation
Ishtar is from grand order
are they sister tho?
Short answer is yes
why so many character look the same
Grand order is extremely confusing
To put it nicely
Get through those 3 first
And if you somehow aren't confused
Then consider the rest
Until then

I seen Ishtar when browsing figure for fate series
Grand order is a separate continuity just ignore it for now
It's even more painful to explain

Only one of the most well earning mobile games of all time yes


what is that about
like Azurlane?

stragergy>
And yet it's one of the most well earning mobile games of all time
Dec 2021 monthly sales for mobile games
Fgo being fate grand order

New chapter just dropped
awwww
Holy shit they rlly pulled off the arc where mc fought the 2 demon general
and hes smart using the ring as bomb
They though the mc is a weakling,
but they got beaten very hard after he released 3rd ring lmao (1st and 2nd got off by his chopped finger lol)
what does any of that mean
if u watched the anime, if the ring is on its full capacity. and not handled well, it have chances to explode as big as a Napalm's explosion. He used like 5-7 rings to strike the demon general
Thats basically an atomic bomb
imagine 10 rings, or more could've been a Tsar
yes ik, the swordprincess bruteforce herself 
Megatron and the decepticons wtf
yeah its wholesome how the sword is an old friend of perserk
Transformers enthusiast 
Very wholesome
@plain garden
Yo what


Subaru is running holding Beatrice's hand
Ah continuity is wonderful
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ain't the golem gargantua lol
Veterans
Can you tell me
The Azur Lane comics
In order, from start to recent???

(Only title)
@stable herald been reading this up to chapter 2
and yes
it's the "Corporate slave - disable/sick sister - Gets unreasonable 'opportunity'" pattern again

c'mon
it becomes JP's isekai bs but KR
too mainstream i am already sick of it
Regressed MC is better than this pattern
Kr
has some subpar manwa these days
Also
I can recognise she's from Tanya's world
someone mentioned that, but i forgor
Also I wonder if cautious hero will show up in this
go look at the comments
since they were supposed to be in S3
i remember someone mentioned it
those new charas
Aye thereโs a date 
YOOOOO WHAT THE HELL
deadpool infiltrated this manga

@ivory mauve
To make this story as dark as DC story
Thats straight out Marvel insults to DC 
Very nice deadpool
Nice
Deadpool is nice 
Whut is this anime about?
What does romcom mean 
Romantic comedy
What
you're thinking of dating games
Why would anime teach you how to tease better
Even those won't help

Cuz the show called teasing master Takagi san 

anime is educational

but ok

also ender why do you even reply to yami

ask how many of the anime suggested he watched

Fine kaguya is
yeah between anime and manga id say so
Probably all but not right now

Im on fate tho
Hey Ender
Some of the comment said
fate has 3 route
Ubw is Rin route
2006 series is saber route
heavens feel is Sakura route
is that true?
So what is grand order route then
the 3 routes are like
"what if" situations to the shirou/rin/sakura story
different endings and whatnot
fate grand order is a different story set a few years after the shirou/rin/sakura nonsense
fuyuki holy grail war was in like... 2004 or something
and FGO takes place in uh... idk, whenever it was released
since it uses real time
sort of
due to the uh...
pruning theory thingy
there's a bunch of different timelines and worlds
so all of them can be canon if you want them to be

But who behind holy grail?
the root
Root of what
the grail is a tool that draws upon the root
Alien?
no one really knows what the root is, but it's theorized to be... uh
this super awesome and magical place that's the root of all magic and stuff
Isn't the holy grail belong to god?
no
gods are nothing compared to the grail and the root
although shiki is an exception of sorts
being... shiki

it's important to not think too hard about fate lore
a lot of it is vague on purpose

according to fate lore, magic is based upon mystics, and mystics are based upon mysteries, and mysteries only have power if they're mysterious. or something along those lines
so the more you know about magic, the more powerful it is, but if everyone knows about magic, then it is no longer mysterious
and magic, overall, loses its power
But at the beginning of ubw
which is one of the reasons why magic was extremely powerful inthe age of gods, but it's weaker in modern times
lol
i already said earlier
grand order is a separate continuity
it has very little to do with fate/stay night
So just those people who being chosen by the holy grail can use magic?
no
wut
anyone that has the aptitude can use magic
shirou could use magic before the war
the grail is like a battery
just... very weak magic
the grail chooses who can summon servants
or acts as a catalyst to summon servants
Cuz at the beginning, there is no one can use magic except nomiya, and he use power to help people fixing things aroud school
you can use it to summon a super strong servant that draws upon magic from both you and the grail
wut
rin can use magic
and... very strong ones
it's just that emiya doesn't know anyone else who can use magic
not that there isn't anyone that can use magic
shirou is on the weak end of mages if anything
there's hundreds of mages in the world
hundreds, thousands even
but there's billions of people on earth
I know Rin can use too, that why I wonder are the people who been chosen can use magic on normal dont?
so the odds of you meeting another mage in the same school is highly unlikely
this ^
to briefly touch on it
magic circuits*
it's kinda like selective breeding
and inheritence
But shidou didnt born with magic, he has been adopted by a guy who can do magic
more inheritance than anything tbh
the blood basically
shirou always had the aptitude
just a matter if he was ever trained in it
Oh like natural selection
i'm not sure if you even need aptitude
nah you need
you just have to transplant the magic circuits, no?

it's like
they never really explained what would happen if a muggle tried doing magic
if your body doesn't have the path even built for the magic to flow
it's multiplying 20 or whatever by zero
So normal person without aptitude cannot be chose by the holy grail?
well
how did waver enter the wizarding world anyway
he's the 3rd generation
His grandmother, the first generation, was the lover of a certain magus who picked up the very basics of magecraft during their pillow talk.
lmao
I fuck up in both language
in a line of wizards
during their pillow talk. amazing
shirou has aptitude
just... really poor aptitude
cos it was never cultivated over generations
like the tohsakas or the matous
But what about number 7?
Why it has tobe 7 servants?
You said there can be more people can use magic
Not only the 7 masters
There will be people who is better shidou
Just not be chosen by the grail
shirou was in the right place at the right time
It can be more

the grail allows another 7 to be summoned
So who behind the grail?
there isn't anyone
Or just the grail itself has inteligent?
Like own awareness?
Still, the Circuits are ultimately something unnatural for the human body and their activity will cause pain and numbness to the magus. Their very presence in the human body is something uncommon and an ordinary person will have little to none.
sad
the real question is if you can transplant circuits to someone without them
Since it named Holy grail, I thought it should relate to god or some sort of spirit religions
it probably does. the church acts as a neutral third party to officiate the grail wars
and no sane mage would ask the church for anything. probably.
it's related to christianity in short
Prior to the Fifth Grail War, Shirou believed that he had to โmakeโ a new Circuit every time he wanted to perform Magecraft. In each attempt to do so, he temporarily (and inadvertently) converted parts of his nerves into makeshift Magic Circuits.
But how the guy in the church
what a god
he went around {{REDACTED}}
lol
pretty sure the church gets to choose
his father died in the middle of the previous war
but kirei is extremely charismatic
so he took over in the interim since he was already there in the city
it became permanent
anything else will be major spoilers for fate zero
No like if the job move from gen to gen, mean the family has convention with the holy grail at the beginning right? Since the grail didn't change other except that family to be neutral party to witness the war from outside
not really
but since they're familiar with the land
they're chosen for the job
but the tohsakas, the matous and the einzberns have been there since the beginning yes
the church has a lil meeting to decide the person to officiate the war

usually the grail wars are spread out across decades, so the previous person is deaderoni anyway
But eps 2 also said
You can make your wish to the holy grail if you have it
But also said
No one can hold the grail for too long?
What does it mean?
it's basically a genie with one wish
Is there any limit for the wish?
sort of
the grail itself isn't actually "all-powerful"
it's just a giant mana battery
Cuz I feel like Shidou will wish " this holy grail war will end forever" 
to cast a spell, you need a lil mana
it wont work
to cast a stronger spell, you need more mana
now imagine if you have access to an ocean of mana
that's what the grail is for. to give you that mana temporarily
If the wish won work, mean while you waste your time and your lil life for a nonsense war 
How logic is that
So if the weakest person got the grail, he basically cant wish anything big?

like i said
Lame
Grail not powerful, there is no reason to fight for it. Shidou must be so dumb to except the convention
you can do almost anything if you're not a shitty mage tho
the end they want is to reach the root
^

that's the point
he joins in the war because he wants to end it
at least in stay night and ubw
But that wish cannot come truth?

you have to realize that the grail spawns once every 50 years or something
there isn't exactly an instruction manual that comes with it
apparently it's 60 years
Unless I can wish for anything, im not gonna join that war and waste my life 
it happens again after 10
Each Holy Grail is in effect a solidified mass of pure magical energy, which reacts to the wishes of the one who holds it in order to grant them
oh, hey
you don't actually need to be a decent mage
it's self-granting! yaaay
quality of life update

nah
aqua
unless you can visualise the means to that goal
it doesn't work anyways

that's the reason why apoc becomes a race against time towards the end
But only the Master has a wish? What about servant?
They fight for Master but get nothin?
as far as the normie masters are concerned
the grail is very powerful tho. previous mages have used it to become rich, and servants have been able to obtain material bodies
the servant also gets a wish
they do
previous

previous

previous
previous
previous
What yall mean? 
apocrypha does end with astolfo getting a material body
it does?
I knew that
yes lol

astolfo gains flesh and blood body post apoc
im still trying to forget apoc exists
But yes Kirei said before it there is a weak master reached to the grail
i find that there are two camps of fate fans
those who hate apoc
and those who hate last encore
nah people universally dislike last encore
because it makes no goddamn sense even if you are a fan
unless you're familiar with the original game's story it makes 0 sense
yes, but you see
I mean Astolfo best girl so I like Apoc 
there's red saber in it, umu
look
even nero fans consider it shit
nero fans consider the one grand order chapter that features nero as the main character as an abomination
because it's literally written only to praise nero
story value out the window
nero is a fine character
just that last encore is shit
apoc is fantastic in comparison
and i dislike apoc don't get me wrong lol
wait, how did jeanne and astolfo both get bodies. i dont even remember them making wishes
...the story is mediocre to begin with but the anime skipped out on some details that actually made it decent
jeanne never had a body
oh, right
jeanne was a pseudo
it's supposed to be sieg

Yeah
sure it is
necromancer (sisigo) just is such a well written character
that's what i mean by shitty main characters
astolfo isn't well written either
neither is jeanne
the best written are Sisigo and Mordred
I mean you have to give up some to do some
by and far
good fight

i'll give some credit
karna vs sieg and achilles vs chiron are good fights
ok and mordred vs semiramis too
that's all

you can have good fights and a good story
Yeah
apoc is the same length
Nu
Apoc is like 12
no it isn't
it's 24
i just rewatched that one scene in episode 23 with mordred and necro
didn't expect to tear up
But she has the burn on the hand like shidou
Like the one shidou thought her brother fought her
it's not a big spoiler
Shinji ๐ฎ
Unexpected
it's revealed in the next
2-3 episodes
except
in ubw it's just very anticlimatic
it's not unexpected
he's... very arrogant
to say the least
He is ๐ฎ
Holy fuck
She said
Berserker's Noble phantasm will regen after 3 days
How OP is it

how is she not the main character again
Best saber ngl
just "HP lost"
uh
again
what part of
you need to kill him 12x
he becomes immune to the method of death
and that he can only be hurt by a-rank and above attacks
is not op
lul
She has the seperate lore right iirc?
At least he not imortal 
have fun killing a 500 pound gorilla 12 times
The main character 
main character is kinda shit tbh

brute strength, speed, and combat experience alone, berserker is unmatched
and he has the cutest cheerleader
basically unstoppable
and 12 lives on top of that for no reason
if you shoot him as soon as he wakes up, he'll be stuck in an infinite loop
if you shoot berserker, well
you better have 11 more bullets
very big bullets
i dont think he gets immunity to previous, no?
lmao, what
which is why illya is very surprised archer is able to take out 5 or 6 of his lives in the original




