anime-manga

[quaint patrol]

what's an american manga

am I supposed to call TBATES a comic

this is super good

[slender skiff]

Has anyone encountered this phrase before

This LN I'm reading keeps on spamming this phrase over and over again to describe a character

[ivory mauve]

Huh

[quaint patrol]

ALEA NO

[somber relic]

OEL (Original English Languange) comic

it's not an American comic since it was launched globally in digital format (not sold with physical format first in NA region, nor sold in a digital comic website specific for NA region)

you can see stuff similar like that which published on Webtoon

and Tapas (publisher of TBATE)

but yeah, in short you can simply call it as comic

but if someone ask you if TBATE is a manhwa or not, tell them it's an OEL comic

you ever heard of Dog Ningen a.k.a Dog N-word before? that one is an OEL comic as well

but that one isn't a digital long strip comic like TBATE

[quaint patrol]

I have actually heard of that one

is it the one where the guy turns into a dog and lewds his father?

[somber relic]

I only knew that he want to rape his father yeah, but I don't actually read it except for the first chapter so idk

[quaint patrol]

i havent touched it, but I know of its existence for the memes

[quaint patrol]

tbate is gas gas gas on the feels

im getting worn out

im missing the amazing humor

[quaint patrol]

there isnt enough tess

[somber relic]

just read the novel if you don't wait for too long for proper continuation of the comic

worst situation we will not getting any continuation until the end of 2024

until they can find a new artist for it

the situation between the original artist and publisher was kinda sad

the contract terminated while the artist just working on the first chapter of new season

fucking Tapas

[somber relic]

source: artist's instagram post

[quaint patrol]

oh im about to dw
im almost caught up

[quaint patrol]

the beginning after 20 million death flags

[quaint patrol]

i hate that the author timeskipped alot of character developments

to what chapter does tbate manga 175 correspond

[somber relic]

chapter 108 was the mid part of the training arc, so try to find starting from that (according to my friend)

[stable herald]

@slender skiff

Shes such a fine lady

[slender skiff]

Indeed

[stable herald]

AHAHAHAHA

SHE lookin very hot

[slender skiff]

Kekw

[quaint patrol]

139

[thorn briar]

Even though I read the manga, and I know this is azusa , but when she did this I thought it was vermouth

Vermouth disguised herself as azusa once actually

[quaint patrol]

im having post alea depression

[flat cedar]

This episode of apoth was alright

Kinda disappointed with this weeks Returners being filler

because they are apparently ending the season with ||The stoppage of the magus tower raid||

[thorn briar]

Yes, amuro u met him in the train , and he is the one who disguised as haibara

Also thank u for making him smile

[boreal oyster]

📋

[somber relic]

https://fxtwitter.com/ohgreatofficial/status/1634872439191777281/en
FixTweet / FixupX

[whole berry]

I'm sadge cause we won't be seeing atomic rain in the nover/manga/ anime

[quaint patrol]

pls unfuck this manga tapas

[whole berry]

Whit that

[quaint patrol]

tbate

[somber relic]

elementary schooler

[quaint patrol]

not the teacher

yea ok

what is even the point of this?

I cant even type my retorts

it's too tragic

[dry moon]

Seems like a fetish whatever it’s called

Webcomic?

I dunno

[boreal oyster]

huh

[dry moon]

Regardless, it’s stupid

[quaint patrol]

it's by zyugoya

[dry moon]

Who now

[quaint patrol]

their manga chapters got alot of upvotes on r/manga when they were ongoing

[dry moon]

Hm

[quaint patrol]

their thing is massive badonkers

every series

[dry moon]

[quaint patrol]

i think they only draw one petite character ever

it's in their single mother series

i read their series

the start of their latest two was unbearable

well

idk about the hyena one

the hyena one looked like only fanbox bait

[quaint patrol]

the single mother one is pretty good

i could recommend it

it's about monsters fitting into human society

[dry moon]

Still reading the sleepy princess one

[quaint patrol]

https://anilist.co/manga/87409/Musuko-ga-Kawaikute-Shikataganai-Mazoku-no-Hahaoya/

[quaint patrol]

@somber relic have you read this work of theirs?

[cedar furnace]

Hey guys

There's a certain shitty anime that broke a record that you don't wanna break

Worst rated episode on imdb

At 1.2 out of 10

Guess which anime it is

[zinc lance]

that edgy shadow dude?

[quaint patrol]

im oversuspecting death flags now

im making my own tension for these stories

[solid nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/884849474969690266/1176407948134715444/skull-issues.gif?ex=656ec247&is=655c4d47&hm=39f01a113fc2edc80b32750bbed526fb39e09c1b3e98a93242ba6bb45db2e7d6&

[stable herald]

@ivory mauve Is it correct to say... A milf is patting a milf?

[stable herald]

HOLY SHIT

HERETICAL LAST BOSS IS GOOOD

[ivory mauve]

I just finished reading this. Yes this is fact

[weak glacier]

I'm on the KotD episode where they introduced the Laos character

I'm hella edad

So

Are you Chinese or Japanese?

I like how Hank isn't racist, just genuinely ignorant

[silver robin]

[whole berry]

Young employee Haruhiko Sanezawa is approached by Yuiko Monou, who is referred to as the “Queen” at the workplace and is known for being severe and feared. Haruhiko gets confused when she asks him to a hotel following a drinking event. She asks him, “Can you have a baby with me?” with an unexpected request in a shy manner

I found hope

[quaint patrol]

this resting point took too damn long

[quaint patrol]

but this is a hentai plot?

[whole berry]

Idk

[quaint patrol]

ive read this same plot severa times

[whole berry]

I haven't read the novel yet

I'm still deciding if i wanna study my finals or read the novel

[quaint patrol]

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

literally two chapters of happy

into why the fuck is this happening

anxiety up anxiety down anxiety up anxiety down

[whole berry]

Jtc they aren't hugging

The girl is trying to the guy

[solid nebula]

... Kita?

[silver robin]

switch knockoff spotted

[frail timber]

looks like one of those controls used for smartphones

[spark glade]

nice accessory u go there

[thorn briar]

U just strangled her at the beginning of the chapter u trash

[flat cedar]

THIS WEEK IN SLF

they added alot this week that wasnt in the manga

for a good benefit

Next week is the Iron ruins and farming

but this week added the following: ||Added alot more weight when Vash was ascending Sunraku's weapons, along with him singing||

Oh jesus christ

the mini is funny as hell

and also cringe

but funny cringe between the three mc's

Also this is a good face for the context of the scene.

New character means new VA. Bilac is voiced by Miyu Tomita (Miko in Kaguya-sama, Riko in Made in Abyss, and Inda Karane in Hyakkano).

oh yeah she shows up this episode too

and since she isnt a one and done char

she should be around this season a bit

since it's a 2cour

[stable herald]

MEDIEVAL ERA HELLO??????????????????????????????????????????

GUNS???

NOT EVEN REVOLVERS

[slender skiff]

Magic ✨

[whole berry]

Yooooo

Whut name

[hushed walrus]

Name of what, the last image?
If so it's:
The Most Heretical Last Boss Queen: From Villainess to Savior

[stable herald]

FUCK WHY IS IT SOO GOOOD

its just 4th episode damn it

[hushed walrus]

Gets more interesting

Enjoy

[stable herald]

I very lookin forward to it

[boreal oyster]

isekai crying

[stable herald]

yep

But its like, not drama kinda crying

its soo damn...motivational

and emotional

Ngl tho, her legs is hot

just saying

the one in ep3

[thorn briar]

Sounds like #al-general , not a live stream chat

The fortune-telling guy is the murderer and they made him confess while he was streaming

Ron , spitz and isshiki

[cedar furnace]

Is that one of the good kinds?

[stable herald]

yes

[thorn briar]

[dry moon]

His hair looks like an overgrown potato

[boreal oyster]

I'm didnt finish the anime but as far as i watch, every eps has crying scene

[flat cedar]

yeah ive seen it too

im on ep 2 atm

so much crying

[quaint patrol]

man

this new tbate arc in the novel is pretty silly

i like it alot

[cedar furnace]

That one ww1 isekai had panzer iiis, m1 garands, soviet railguns, and Swiss smgs in ww1

Also the Romanian uniforms are inaccurate but the other factions are fine

[cedar furnace]

Oh I forgot to answer its that one about the bodyguard and the girl

I forgot what it's called

[ivory mauve]

Cheeky demon. Hugging mother all to her self.

[stable herald]

I mean

I MEAN

MILF ON MILF ACTION

MILF PATTING MILF ACTION*

[trim swan]

absolutely disgusting

[quaint patrol]

absolutely disgusting
where's more

[dry moon]

WHERE

Give name

[ivory mauve]

Priest of corruption

[stable herald]

True

fuckin degenerate

[thorn briar]

7 years

[dry moon]

Golly

He sure stayed fresh

[silver robin]

oh u right huh

[thorn briar]

Who tf are you

Ron is getting to see his teachers in every case

This is the 2nd one

[zinc lance]

i first read astolfo

[thorn briar]

[whole berry]

https://tenor.com/view/siege-tales-russian-badger-floor-is-made-out-of-floor-rainbow-six-gif-21093443

[thorn briar]

[quaint patrol]

at first i supported this ship

but tess is a dumbass

literally moves the entire story by being the primary burden

[ivory mauve]

Ah hell. Here we go again

Mc's hunter name is LOOTER lmao

Btw it's not him

And she's indeed a little loot goblin

"I stole the number one hunter"

[quaint patrol]

korean MCs are all the same smh

i thought that was yoo junhyuk from omniscient

[quaint patrol]

female MC?

[ivory mauve]

Yup

[solid nebula]

when the fuck did you start reading this

[boreal oyster]

[cedar furnace]

You're saying that as if he murdered someone

[boreal oyster]

unless it is

😁

[solid nebula]

how did you even get that from that sentence

[boreal oyster]

i mean we murder ppl often

in games

[ivory mauve]

Like 2 hours ago

[cedar furnace]

Out of 10 how is it?

Like ?/10

[ivory mauve]

Hold on there I'm only in chapter 3.

I'm currently driving

Soooo i can't give a concrete answer

[cedar furnace]

Like so far?

[ivory mauve]

Pretty generic start so a 5/10

[cedar furnace]

I'm kinda split if this was a good year for movies and TV shows

[thorn briar]

Wtf

Also , he's involved in the case that got Ron to be stripped of his deduction license

[thorn briar]

@slender skiff how old is she

Can I slap the ones behind her

[dry moon]

9

I believe

That or 12

[thorn briar]

Wtf

[dry moon]

One of the two

[thorn briar]

[dry moon]

Don’t worry the current emperor doesn’t care about seeing her at night

He likes older women

[thorn briar]

Okay

[dry moon]

Previous emperor sucked though

[thorn briar]

I thought it would be this case of being old but looks young

[dry moon]

Nope

Just young, and she even acts young too so it’s not like she’s just 25 year old in a young persons body

[slender skiff]

14 during the times of the story

[dry moon]

Oopsie

[slender skiff]

Canonically

[dry moon]

I swore it was 12 or something

[slender skiff]

She was 9 when she was made the consort of the previous king though

[thorn briar]

14

[dry moon]

Ah yeah

That

[thorn briar]

Wait she was 9

[dry moon]

Mmhm

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

The previous lolicon king yes

[dry moon]

Previous king was a pedo

[thorn briar]

She was from that episode that explained them and thier ages

[slender skiff]

Though that is explained more in the story

[thorn briar]

She's voiced by same va as tsukuyo from gintama

[whole berry]

Dw age in old time is irrelevant

Now drop kick the child, that's what technoblade would have wanted

[cedar furnace]

That's happened irl before

[dry moon]

Which is sad

[thorn briar]

Wtf

The emperor have a little brother

[dry moon]

Isn’t it just

[silver robin]

yes

[dry moon]

Ohh

[silver robin]

that happens

[dry moon]

I remember

[silver robin]

uh

don't spoil it

[dry moon]

Yes yes

[silver robin]

(i got spoiled myself)

[thorn briar]

A what

[silver robin]

it means they were adopted

or something

one of them was adopted

[thorn briar]

[silver robin]

so therefore they aren't related

so its allowed

[thorn briar]

Okay

I thought he married his adopted sister when u started explaining it

[silver robin]

well he kinda did

im not sure how it works

[thorn briar]

This is getting more confusing

[silver robin]

maybe they were childhood friends and its a mistranslation?

idk

[thorn briar]

Her dad

[silver robin]

yes

[dry moon]

I like her dad

[cedar furnace]

What in the hell are you guys watching

[thorn briar]

And it ended in cliffhanger

I want more

[silver robin]

apothecary diaries

[dry moon]

The apothecary diaries

[cedar furnace]

Wa

[cedar furnace]

https://youtu.be/vDj189pFpZw?si=5YJAYGZIGTcTiS0e

[thorn briar]

Tf is this

[cedar furnace]

If you get it you get it

[thorn briar]

Is this jenshi

[silver robin]

its spelled jinshi

[cedar furnace]

Who

[silver robin]

also maybe

idk

[thorn briar]

Why his tears are covering his eyelashes

Also the title is making me worried

[silver robin]

someone will die

trust me

(i don't know what will happen)

[thorn briar]

I have a strong feeling that they will kill someone

[dry moon]

Someone probably gets fired

[thorn briar]

[dry moon]

I forget

But I don’t remember anyone important dying

[thorn briar]

I developed this feeling thanks to Pandora hearts

[cedar furnace]

What's an anime that you guys like and an anime that you hate?

[dry moon]

I’ve not watched anime in a while

[silver robin]

https://myanimelist.net/animelist/samheart564 check out my myanimelist

[whole berry]

I actually gave up on i am the strongest

[silver robin]

understandable

[shut lion]

I dont have an anime I actually hate

as for likes I think higurashi will be always my #1 anime and vn

[cedar furnace]

What does watched_ mean?

Like you watched something 25 times?

@silver robin have you touched grass?

[silver robin]

yes

[cedar furnace]

I'm asking this out of concern

[silver robin]

can you send a screenshot

[cedar furnace]

Like watched: number

Under the show

[unkempt briar]

That’s the amount of episodes watched

[cedar furnace]

Oh

[cedar furnace]

I thought for a sec that he watched something like 25 times

Lol

@silver robin you have some... odd questionable bizarre strange peculiar weird intriguing "interesting tastes"

[silver robin]

i could say the same about anyone

[cedar furnace]

True dat

I'm mostly just messing with ya

@silver robin wait you haven't watched Angel Beats?

[silver robin]

nope

[cedar furnace]

Yet you watched... uh... "that"

[silver robin]

@slender skiff

[slender skiff]

Oh god

[cedar furnace]

Oh God what?

[slender skiff]

They absolutely knew what they were doing with that video title

[silver robin]

yes

[cedar furnace]

fucking weebs

Lol

[slender skiff]

Uh no

That's not the joke here

The joke here is that the title is referring to one of those typical western porn ads

Also- if you're playing this game
You're definitely at least halfway to being a weeb

So lol

Pot, meet kettle

[cedar furnace]

Yeah

[cedar furnace]

Insert boo womp sound effect

[cedar furnace]

Ok that's fair

[silver robin]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C0o9Auut6QZ/?igshid=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ==

[silver robin]

[quaint patrol]

fuck tessia

[stable herald]

tessia?

[quaint patrol]

from tbate

[solid nebula]

I love the crunchyroll basement guy

[weak glacier]

I was curious how comics credit people

There is a few notes

DC Comics uses "illustrators" while Marvel uses "artists"

2000 AD refer to their artists as "robots"

Comics that are were created on a short deadline in quick succession usually separate the roles inkers, colorists, pencillers, etc

Manga foregoes any of this because culture ig

Usually the the writer/"main" artist will get credit

Which come to think about, is kinda sad

Also, TV franchises are little bit weird in how they do credits

[uncut marlin]

Opening or closing or both?

[weak glacier]

So like the X-Files comics (Topps, yes they did have a publishing division) credits a lot of producers from the show

It's strange

[uncut marlin]

True

[weak glacier]

I come to think

Manga publishers just don't bother to credit the assistances

I don't know why

I know someone will try to defend this pratice

[uncut marlin]

Yea

[weak glacier]

[uncut marlin]

Lmao

[weak glacier]

I was only able to find one example

None of the English copies have any

Only one of my Japanese manga has it

It's not even a consistent practice

Now, I do have like 8 series in Japanese, one being written by a Korean

Usually just ads at the end

[faint crag]

Yea, it's pretty fucked up
usually they only get credited if the artist'll go out of their way to mention them when they get a chance which I see sometimes, but not that often
or if the assistant makes it big as mangaka themselves and people start caring where else they worked

[weak glacier]

I literally just disapproved an article on ANN

[silver robin]

100gf anime literally playing an almost remix of mission impossible theme

[weak glacier]

idk feels something niche to bitch about

but I care because I hate when people's work go unnoticed

[somber relic]

most manga, manhwa and manhua never put assistant names in the credit page yeah

who knows the reason why

kinda sad but well

I guess it's just Eastern Asian things

and no I'm not trying to defend them, just in case if this frosty guy misunderstood what I'm trying to say and accuse me as "manga apologist" again

that's the fact and I can't do nothing about that

ToG did mentioned assistant name in chapters credit tho, but that's one of exception

[somber relic]

mangaka occasionally mentioned the assistant's work if they work on a serialiazation, it's usually on their social media account, so they didn't noticed by us foreigner until social media account that actively posting news about manga (in English like MangaMogura) become more active since during covid period

[weak glacier]

?

I didn't accuse you

I would've named draw dropped someone if I was accusing them

It's weird...

Like

They do it for movie/tv show productions they list everybody

OH BOY I WONDER WHY

[somber relic]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak glacier]

Nothing feels cathartic than disproving an ANN article

[somber relic]

which article\

[weak glacier]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-08-03/.135055

I hate how she brushes it off

It seems she doing her best to downplay the issue

[somber relic]

if you read first until third paragraph, what they said was true though

in afterword of tankobon volumes

[weak glacier]

I actually did

I own japanese manga

[somber relic]

well not all manga have them, but there are lot of them that have that

[weak glacier]

I have 8 japanese manga series

Only one credits the assitance

[somber relic]

just 8. yeah

[weak glacier]

They aren't small series anyways

[somber relic]

Assistants are also frequently mentioned in the extra “day in the life” comics at the end of some manga volumes

this is true at least

[weak glacier]

"some"

[somber relic]

yeah

literally waht I said above

[weak glacier]

The broader issue

Is that it isn't standard to have their names on the works they worked on

[somber relic]

I know about the bigger issue, but at that point publisher is the root of the problem

[weak glacier]

Assistants come and go, I know

The comic industry had this shit figured out

idk, maybe because comic industry a lot of the people did go on to work on other series

[somber relic]

the manga "demographic" itself is a mess thanks to the pubs

[weak glacier]

I don't like this article because it downplays the issue

As if it's something trivial

[somber relic]

what? I think they don't try to downplay the issue

did we read different article here or what

maybe you need to reread again before going emotional

[weak glacier]

Or maybe we have different attitude towards the subject

It's like walking into a bar and listening to someone's divorce

[somber relic]

no? I agree about assistant should have credited in proper way

[weak glacier]

Like you could give fuck all

But the guy saying cares a lot

[somber relic]

but mangaka also have their own way to help their assistant

[weak glacier]

I don't think you understand what I am saying. We both know it's bad, just one cares more about it than the other

It's honestly not a hard ask...

But people are subborn

🤷‍♂️

[somber relic]

lol so you are trying to say that you care more about the issue than me? ok bud

but you are also the one who tried to say the article writer tried to downplay the issue

[weak glacier]

You know I don't just read manga

[somber relic]

yeah you think I only read manga as well?

why are you always trying to throw ad hominem

[weak glacier]

that's not even ad hominem looool

[somber relic]

what are you trying to say then next?

this was based on my conversation with you here for many times

[weak glacier]

You think I just have a 2D perspective on this

[somber relic]

yeah you also consume another stuff and not just manga, and then what?

[somber relic]

the fuck is "2d perspective" lmao

[weak glacier]

1 dimensional

Like

[somber relic]

so, what are you trying to say here then hmm?

[weak glacier]

You think I have little to no understanding, black and white if you will

[weak glacier]

I don't know what you getting at

You fishing for something that isn't deep

You realize, ad hominem doesn't make my agrument wrong either

[somber relic]

ok, calling someone downplaying an issue

how about you point out where is the part when the article author tried to downplay the issue

[weak glacier]

[somber relic]

because you are just talking non sense at this point

yeah I understand about your opinion about assistant should properly credited, but after that I'm completely confused

disprove about what exactly?

There are numerous examples of assistants going on to publish related works -- for example, Boruto is drawn by Mikio Ikemoto, one of Masashi Kishimoto's former assistants while he was working on Naruto. Manga creators also sometimes help promote their assistant's solo works, such as Kōhei Horikoshi's shout-outs for Yoko Akiyama, an assistant who works on My Hero Academia who has also launched her own manga series, Saguri-chan Tankentai(Saguri-chan Expedition Party).

here, if you are actually trying to dive deeper, you can prove that what they said is true

[weak glacier]

The author tries to trivialize the problem as if it's not a common practice to not credit the assitances. It occasionally makes concessions like they aren't credited on the "weekly" mags, but primarily focuses on the net positives

You are unable to read between the lines

It is true what they said, but ignores the greater reality

[somber relic]

the reason why there were no credit in magazine but in volume instead because well, the chapter published in magazine, until it compiled into a volume/tanko release

manga publication isn't like western graphic novel, most manga published in a manga magazine each chapter

[weak glacier]

It's like citing the life national expectancy numbers and ignoring any stats for local level

Yeah it's true, but ignores the fundamental problems

But hey

I'm just being obtuse

You really are an apologist. I was gonna refrain from it, but here you are

[somber relic]

can you please tell me what apologist mean, by your definition then

[weak glacier]

You say you support crediting assistants, then you try to defend them not doing it

Also comic published weekly for the longest time and still credit the assitants

[weak glacier]

You defending literally everything even if it's bad

[somber relic]

no? I'm just trying to explain the current state about the work flow between mangaka and their assistant

and I swear I already mentioned that you should blame the publisher for that

not the mangaka

[weak glacier]

I never pointed the blame at anyone

[somber relic]

mangaka's own series can get axed by pubs anytime, as if they actually hold some power

unless they have big name

[somber relic]

you did though

[weak glacier]

I just made a blanket statement that said assistants should be crdited

You literally

Are making a fuss

Over me pointing out a problem

Why the fuck are we even agruing

At the end of the day, we still gonna consume it

[somber relic]

also I'm still wondering what is apologist mean here

[weak glacier]

Well consult the oracle

[somber relic]

huh??? ok??

[weak glacier]

Cause I already explained

[somber relic]

ok??

[weak glacier]

You ain't gonna listen to whatever I say

So you might as well consult the oracle

[somber relic]

ok, I'm just agreeing about some part of your opinion and you said I'm not gonna listen to whatever you said

wow

[weak glacier]

You only agreed to my opinion and none of the reasons

so I'm begging the question

Why are we even agruing

Apparently, it's a big enough problem to mention

Yet both of us have totally different atitudes toward the subject

[somber relic]

I mean, you said you don't blame anyone, but there is no way that someone read what you said above and then they think you aren't trying to blame someone here

just said it if you think it's mangaka fault, publisher fault or the entire industry's fault

You seem to enjoy expressing vague statements, as if you're trying to provoke someone into arguing with you

[weak glacier]

You know

I'm vague for a reason

[somber relic]

in this case, I'm just trying to ask which part of the author's article that you disproved

[weak glacier]

It's so not to call out someone in specific

Cause

[somber relic]

I'm not even defending the way of manga industry work

[weak glacier]

You failed to realize that you accusing me of provoking people into agruments, and yet here you are calling me out

[somber relic]

but you admitted it here anyway?

[weak glacier]

My guy, you cannot even read inbetween the lines

[weak glacier]

[somber relic]

I saw your edited emote

[weak glacier]

You are confusing

Because your whole agrument

Is that I'm vague to provoke someone

[somber relic]

.

[weak glacier]

But I never call out someone in particular to avoid arguing

And you just make assumptions instead of asking

You are literally accusing me of things you do too

[somber relic]

you technically calling out the article writer though, am I wrong?

you said you disproved their article

[weak glacier]

Now you moving the goal post

We went from "you accusing the mangaka ok I was wrong" to "you calling out the writer"

[somber relic]

what? aren't we still sticking to the topic about ANN post you linked here?

[weak glacier]

bruh

[somber relic]

but that's still relevant though?

don't act like it's not relevant

you were the one who posted the link here even

and proudly said that you disproved their article

[weak glacier]

You accused me of accusing the mangaka for not creditting assitances

And then you went around to say "oh you called out this author"

Dude

I know your game

You just being agrumentative

Two people can read the article and walk away with two different takes

You can see it as right and non-problematic, others can intrepret differently

You get upset when someone doesn't agree with you

[somber relic]

you see, I guess this is what I don't like the most, that (at least for me) you tried to framed me to have a completely different opinion about that matter

and I guess that's also why I can't accept it when you called me out as "manga apologist"

[slender skiff]

Right

[somber relic]

if you ask about my perspective, it's just that the way the industry going on now, and as much I don't like it, I also can't do anything about it

[slender skiff]

I haven't had the chance to backread yet

[weak glacier]

it's because you defend manga to a fault. Every problem that someone raises, you chalk it to industry

[silver robin]

which is true

[slender skiff]

But I think it'll be a good place to stop

[silver robin]

like

what do you expect any of the artist to do

unionize?

they have no money

[slender skiff]

This is far from the first time y'all arguing about shifting goalposts

[weak glacier]

honestly

OnK debates weren't this heated tbh

[somber relic]

.

you are just love to complain for the sake of it

[silver robin]

this is my opinion too

[weak glacier]

So that makes my criticism invalid?

[somber relic]

it's valid, but it's also not as bad as you think

[weak glacier]

That's a matter on who you ask

[silver robin]

i interpret it as not right and non-problematic

[weak glacier]

Like if you ask a rich person's stance on a housing crisis, they wouldn't see an issue

[silver robin]

the gain that an assistant would get from being listed publically is not that high

you get promotions through connections

the people who run the magazine for the series know the assistants, even if the public doesn't

[somber relic]

and yeah, this is exactly why I blamed the industry (again)

of course one of real solution is if MAYBE, manga author and assistant trying to unite and fight the big companies

but personally I don't like it when I touch topic about imagining about something that might be happen or not

[silver robin]

and through that, they can self-scout their talent

[weak glacier]

idkd, maybe I come from a western perspective where it's actually common for people to credit on multiple pages. It's also useful for looking through who worked on what because even if the publishers know, their legacy may not be perserved. It's something I am passionated about

[somber relic]

well, at very least manga database site like Anilist try to put credit on manga assistant, even translator (official one) to the entries

still need a lot of work but at least we are starting from something now

[slender skiff]

It is absolutely a cultural thing

[weak glacier]

It is hard unless it's been explicitly said

[somber relic]

it's hard but not impossible

but yeah I have to admit it's not easy, even I usually don't want to bother to add info about manga assistant in one manga entry

but well at least it's better than nothing right?

[weak glacier]

The reason why we know so much about comic history is because the people worked on them were credited a lot. It's easy to trace who worked on what for how much and why

It also because I have limited access to Japanese resources too

But I just notice western records are just extremely better than most Asian sources. It's almost scary how much things are recorded and archived in the West from the last 200 years ago

[silver robin]

i hate to be that guy

but colonialism happened

and guess what the westerners did to non western records

[weak glacier]

Oh, I am aware

[silver robin]

🔥 🔥

[weak glacier]

British museum exist

[silver robin]

not sure about its extent in asia

but it definitely happened in south america and africa

[slender skiff]

It's not too bad in the more traditional, older Asian countries

In the smaller ones however...

[weak glacier]

The last 100 years still should have good records

[silver robin]

even disregarding colonialism, theres also internal conflicts that happen within a country

[weak glacier]

I don't know why, I have to dig into it. But it seems (me speculating) that they don't really care much about keeping records of non-notable people

in fact hold on

[silver robin]

isn't that like a global thing though

theres a reason why the term "famous" exists

[weak glacier]

Maybe it's just the US, but all works must have one copy submitted to library of congress

[faint crag]

yea, that's why proper credit matters

[somber relic]

they do. it's more like that we foreigner don't have a lot of access to it

there is also languange barrier issue

[faint crag]

and not waving it off as 'cultural thing'

[weak glacier]

I stated that before

[silver robin]

credit matters yes

[weak glacier]

I know how hard it is

Cause I did try to attempt to research in Japanese sources

But old Japanese internet hard to find

[somber relic]

I guess this is the time for us foreigner to cancel manga publisher company on twitter so they finally want to put a proper credit (assuming they care)

[weak glacier]

That's assuming if twitter notices

[silver robin]

twitter is dying anyway

[weak glacier]

I didn't even notice this

[silver robin]

[weak glacier]

Until I was trying to figure out the difference between Illustrator and Artist

[silver robin]

artist is a more universal word

[somber relic]

^

music artist

[silver robin]

illustrator specifically relates to picture drawing

[somber relic]

yes

[silver robin]

artist is just "someone who creates"

at least from my understanding

[weak glacier]

Well, it's a little bit more confusing

[somber relic]

the reason why we mentioned a person who draw the manga as "artist" because well, it's habitual I guess?

also to make difference with a person who only draw (light) novel illustration

otherwise it will confusing

[weak glacier]

My definition is an illustrator is an artist you commission from (assuming artist does drawing). Like you don't say child book's artist. Yet, we say comic book artist, but then DC says calls their artists "illustrators"

[silver robin]

i mean

[weak glacier]

People who do adwork are also called illustrators, etc

[silver robin]

all illustrators are artists but not all artists are illustrators

[weak glacier]

It is

[silver robin]

people who draw pictures for advertisements are illustrators yes

terms used to refer to people are not mutually exclusive

[weak glacier]

But I heard that "illustrator" was used derogatorarily, as in not seen as "real" art by the high arts ig

It's confusing

[silver robin]

heard from where?

[somber relic]

maybe in this case, just mention what kind of artist specifically

since this is anime manga channel, it's not hard to assume when someone mentioned "artist", it most likely a manga artist

[weak glacier]

But my definition is an illustrator is an artist you commission to do work for

[somber relic]

I'm also in a music discord server and when someone mentioned "artist", I will not assumed they are talking about manga artist

[silver robin]

i just assume you can tell from context yea or i just say ln artist / manga artist whenever it applies

[somber relic]

it's just semantic issue

ofc semantic is important though

like the issue with manga "demographic" here

[weak glacier]

I'll have to look into it

[somber relic]

well that one wasn't really a semantical issue though

more like a misconception

[weak glacier]

"Artist" is a general word, but it also implies work done for the sake of it

[silver robin]

no it doesn't...

[weak glacier]

"Illustrator" is kinda like someone you commission

At least the way I heard it

[silver robin]

maybe you haven't heard the words used in other contexts before

[weak glacier]

Cause traditionally children's books are called illustrations, cover art is also called "illustrations"

[silver robin]

yes

its the same for lns

[weak glacier]

Remember, I have a very western point of view

[silver robin]

ln artists are credited as illustrators

[somber relic]

manga demographic issue is a different matter, because the understanding of "shounen is a manga for kid and teen ony" is blatantly wrong and can be fatal

[weak glacier]

Perhaps, it's because the writer/artist aren't technically on the "same team". As in, a writer and illustrator doing their own things

Like, an illustrator gonna do some other stuff in between while the LN guy is writing

But a mangaka is gonna be constantly working with the writer

So I guess that's why the distinction

My theory anyhow

[silver robin]

i think its just a translation thing

[weak glacier]

Here's a definition from art-insider

[silver robin]

cause im looking at the jp cover for a manga like food wars, which has a different person for story and art

[weak glacier]

https://www.art-insider.com/what-is-the-difference-between-an-illustrator-and-an-artist/3288#:~:text=An artist is a person,a particular idea in mind.

[silver robin]

and they just credit it as
story: person
art: person

[weak glacier]

I mean

It just clears any confusion tbh

[somber relic]

I'm still stand this

[weak glacier]

But the way I mentally separate them is how they are treated

[weak glacier]

I did touch on this #anime-manga message

[somber relic]

yeah, exactly what I said before regarding mangaka and LN illustrator

[silver robin]

[somber relic]

it can be super confusing

[silver robin]

words have multiple meanings wao

[weak glacier]

Honestly, it just comes down to the prestige tbh

Some like to be called the other, some due to culture or industry practices

[silver robin]

thats not due to prestige

thats due to personal preference, either by the person or their employer

[silver robin]

regarding this statement i mean

[weak glacier]

Are you gonna walk up to van Gogh and call him an "illustrator"

[silver robin]

id call him a painter

[weak glacier]

touche

[somber relic]

kek

[weak glacier]

But the point is, it carries different weight in what sector you in

If you in the high arts, illustrators are look down

Their is a few exceptions

Ironically, to challenge that notion

[silver robin]

maybe in the past, but i don't think its relevant anymore

[somber relic]

isn't that not really on topic for this channel though? since I don't see the reason why japanese illustrators looked down by other

[silver robin]

personally i believe the work speaks for itself

[weak glacier]

I come from a western perspective... whatever country you in may have a different take

[silver robin]

the label(s) you assign to the work / creator are whatever

if the work is good its good

[weak glacier]

I am trying to find that artist name

[somber relic]

yeah, another reason why I can't see this is relevant with #anime-manga

not trying to play as some mini-mod here, I just want to say that

[silver robin]

and good work -> more employment -> more money -> more fame, in an ideal world at least

[weak glacier]

I mean, I could also use Andy Warhol, but that's low hanging fruit

[somber relic]

literally almost manga artist also work as illustrator

they also got commission from people

[silver robin]

they also work on r18 sometimes

[somber relic]

they just don't draw manga for the entire life

[weak glacier]

Here's the points I'm laying out

[silver robin]

sorry guys this is a very riveting conversation but i have 8 minutes to finish my honkai star rail dailies so ill be right back

[weak glacier]

1. The label "illustrator" and "artist" are based on the line of work
2. The terms carry different meanings based on what part of the art world you in

You can ignore the labels, but other people care

So don't be bitching when I come in calling manga comics

[somber relic]

who did that here though?

[silver robin]

my fault, jokes are hard to understand on the internet

[weak glacier]

I need to put more scarcasm indicators /s

[somber relic]

I will call that a bad sarcasm, no offense

the term of "manga, manhwa,manhwa" is just the matter of where it originally published anyway

it's not about the "style"

[weak glacier]

You must be fun at parties /s

[somber relic]

maybe you need to take a mirror

[silver robin]

can yall calm down

[weak glacier]

Haru just can't read between the lines

I'm gonna just go back to whatever I was doing
If he wants to be pedantic, that's ok

[somber relic]

was this supposed to be a joke as well then? sorry for not capable to read between the lines

I literally just followed up what you said above

[weak glacier]

I take it you're an ESL

[somber relic]

yes I am

[weak glacier]

Yeah

[somber relic]

.

[weak glacier]

go figure

[silver robin]

unfortunately i am an english first language

or rather fortunately

[somber relic]

.

[weak glacier]

I could swear Haru could be German for all I know

[somber relic]

or French

I met enough french in another server who don't even want to bother to talk with english

most infuriating kind of people

[weak glacier]

Germans aren't funny people

[silver robin]

...

[weak glacier]

They very serious people

No funny business

[silver robin]

theres people of all types in every location

[somber relic]

and this still ignored anyway

[weak glacier]

I often take for granted lots of foreigners speak English, and a lot of things I say will get lost

It is 3 AM

[somber relic]

lol and my question still got ignored

[silver robin]

i have to wake up in ~6 hours to get ado tickets

[somber relic]

oh yeah speaking of that, I think Cad ping me here and I missed it

[silver robin]

just use inbox

problem solved

[weak glacier]

I was listening to like that one Ado song

They good

[somber relic]

yeah I did, not all of them though (meaning that I don't finish any work of them), but I knew enough that most of their recent work only made to promote their porn on fanbox

[silver robin]

shes coming to austin too

[weak glacier]

[silver robin]

so you can just go yourself

[weak glacier]

I'm broke af

Scandal came down and I was shit out of luck

[silver robin]

idk what the prices are

[weak glacier]

I'm in Houston

[silver robin]

ah rip

[weak glacier]

It's not like I can take a Sunday drive there

[silver robin]

the austin show is on april 1st

which is a monday

so thats a rip

[weak glacier]

🤔

[weak glacier]

I'm in college

[silver robin]

i wanted to get radwimps tickets but their la show was on a thursday

[silver robin]

depending on when your spring break is

april 1st could be valid

[weak glacier]

I have school only for 2 days

I load them for 2 days

[silver robin]

nice

[weak glacier]

Also, Scandal good band too

hol up

Y'all ain't gonna believe me when I say this

I have a signed CD from Garendelia I bought for like $5

From the duo

I think Birthia?

[somber relic]

https://vxtwitter.com/Erzat110/status/1733089032887033894

mission impossible

[somber relic]

you mean GARNIDELIA?

or is Garendelia you mentioned exist

never heard them before

[weak glacier]

that one

i don't remember the spelling on the top of my head

[silver robin]

[weak glacier]

From both bandmates

I didn't mean to buy the one with the signatures

I just kinda got lucky ig

The seller never mentioned anything about it and had the auction for 500 yen and I just put the bare fucking minimum and won

Don't know why

Something worthy to mention

Probably was selling their whole collection and just trying to rid them

I am so confused how I came into possesion of this

I fangirled hard when I noticed

I can show the rest of my collection

[somber relic]

they most likely already rip and scan the content inside them anyway so I assume they just want to create some space in their room/storage

[weak glacier]

But it's signed...

Isn't that something you would keep?

[somber relic]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

don't ask me

[weak glacier]

but hey

I have it

[somber relic]

I only said they probably already scan and rip them, so they already have it in digital format

[weak glacier]

Yes, I know...

[somber relic]

would be funny if I can find it on some private tracker site lul

including the sleeve scan

[weak glacier]

It is real

I can attest the marker is real

[weak glacier]

oh it's easy

I actually know

https://musicbrainz.org/

[somber relic]

I never said it's fake though, I only think it's hilarious if they upload it to a private tracker site

[weak glacier]

[somber relic]

I also want to going insane after wasting a lot of time looking for some rare CD-rip

[weak glacier]

I have a rare CD

hold on

@somber relic Find this one. 1993 copy, not the '96 copies

Genocyber

Vol II I think?

[somber relic]

I'm praying that someone have this and already rip the content https://ec.toranoana.jp/tora_r/ec/item/210006521073/

store exclusive bs and already not available anymore

it's not even exist on youtube as well

[weak glacier]

Is there another release?

What band?

Try looking on yahoo auctions

[somber relic]

https://utaitedb.net/Al/1150

fucking store exclusive

oh it's available on a chinese private tracker torrent site though

[weak glacier]

🤔

[somber relic]

but of course I don't have access to them

it's hilarious how chinese ppl got literally almost everything (pirated japanese music)

even some super obscure doujins music

[somber relic]

not them

that's a different album from the original album https://vocadb.net/Al/1013

[weak glacier]

What's the difference?

Is there something special about that?

[somber relic]

yeah, that was the original song of doriko ft. hatsune miku

[weak glacier]

does this one have like natural vocals?

[somber relic]

it's singed by Hanatan ft. Marasy (technically a cover)

[weak glacier]

oh

[somber relic]

not vocaloid one

[weak glacier]

Yeah

good luck

I have the genocyber theme song

without the vocals

which ironically hasn't been posted on the internet yet

so uh

[somber relic]

if you actually interested with sharing stuff you owned (by ripping them), I can introduce you to some place

[weak glacier]

nah

I'll probably save on my hard drive and upload it on youtube

[somber relic]

what is the name again? genocyber? it's japanese right?

[weak glacier]

yeah

It's from an old Japanese OVA

It's the 1993 album

[somber relic]

yep, it's already ripped in a private tracker site I joined in

lol

[weak glacier]

Not surprised

[somber relic]

this right

[weak glacier]

1993?

[somber relic]

oh, 1994

genocyber 2

lol

[weak glacier]

[somber relic]

it's different I guess

[weak glacier]

ok

nw

[somber relic]

oh nvm I found it

[weak glacier]

PPlay the Fairy Dreaming track

[somber relic]

here

[weak glacier]

Still not it

It's the number 2

[somber relic]

Track list:

1. Fairy Dreamin’
2. バジュラ
3. PSYCHO SHOCK
4. TWINS ~Elaine and Diana~
5. 出会い
6. 惨劇
7. 急襲
8. 覚醒
9. 融合
10. Fusion
11. GENOCIDE
12. GENO-CYBER
13. ここで立ち止まってるよりも

Release Date: 1994.5.21
Label: Apollon
Catalog#: APCM-5034

hmm

idk

[weak glacier]

hold on

Play track 1

If it has vocals

then it's not it

@somber relic

[somber relic]

holy shit, the seeder's upload speed is slow af

[weak glacier]

but yeah

The fairy dreaming goes hard af

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFpp9b-O_JU

[somber relic]

I'm just going to send the album scan

[weak glacier]

but yeah

That isn't the same album