anime-manga

[rose oriole]

I thought Enkidu was a trap?

[slender skiff]

Not even

Enkidu is an it

Sentient lump of clay

[rose oriole]

I was joking.

[neat pelican]

Remember "It's okay if it's clay"

Yes bad FGO meme I know

[rose oriole]

Lmao.

[frosty knoll]

So

I watched the 2022 DP adaptation of Spriggan

Or at least

Skimmed the first two episodes

It’s bad

It’s the laziest fucking shit I’ve seen

[slender skiff]

Rudeus, please

[stable herald]

Exactly

[slim rain]

I always kinda feel bad for the side characters in OPM

They are all trying their best to become strong and successful and then saitama just comes and crushes their dreams

😔

[grizzled acorn]

bro is fucking trolling

such a chad

[slender skiff]

I mean...

[grizzled acorn]

what volume are you on right now?

[slender skiff]

21

Came out like

Yesterday

[silver robin]

[rose oriole]

[grizzled acorn]

nice

so Rudy is still saying that about Aisha lol

[slender skiff]

Btw Res
How was zoku owari

[faint crag]

@slender skiff I wanted to say this and forgot
After reading Zoku Owari I'm even more confused why the hell series continued after the Final Season lmao.
It's so clear it was supposed to be The End.

[slender skiff]

HA

[silver robin]

nisio ishin brain transcends us mere mortals

(i haven't read any monogatari lns)

[faint crag]

Like, the whole point of Zoku is that it wasn't needed and the story has already finished

[grizzled acorn]

average genius activities

[slender skiff]

Hanamonogatari
Why

[grizzled acorn]

Hana was 🔥

[faint crag]

wdym? Hana is part of the 2nd season and actually fits greatly into the story, even tho I still think it's a bit weak

[slender skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506527277907968013/1077254951782334554/Screenshot_20230220-174532_FBReader_Premium.jpg

Courtesy of Res

[grizzled acorn]

cant wait to get to owari, but sadly season 3 is off to a slow start for me. Im on Koyomimonogatari rn

[slender skiff]

I still find Hana weak ye

[silver robin]

what the fuck

[grizzled acorn]

Tsuki has been the weakest so far, personally

[faint crag]

I really liked Koyomigatari actually

[slender skiff]

Koyomi one was good

[grizzled acorn]

I just started koyomimonogatari

like two days ago, dont really have an opinion on it so far

[slender skiff]

Then it slaps you with

||Omae wa mou shindeiru||

Am I wrong tho

[faint crag]

In the end I think my favourites were Otori/Koi

[slender skiff]

Which was koi again?

Kaiki?

[grizzled acorn]

kaiki

yes

[slender skiff]

I have no idea which is otori tho

[grizzled acorn]

either koi or neko white are my favorites so far

[faint crag]

Nadeko medusa

[slender skiff]

Ah

[grizzled acorn]

beat me to it

Otori is amazing too

[slender skiff]

Yeah I really enjoyed koi too

Probably my favourite

Otherwise it would probably be zoku owari honestly

[grizzled acorn]

koi is just so good. Kaiki is a goat fs

[slender skiff]

Well

[slender skiff]

As for tsuki

[faint crag]

tbh in the actual physical book it should look much better since inverted letters would look like actual letters and not huge ass images

[slender skiff]

Karen Bee was... As much as I like Karen, confused why it even exists

[faint crag]

Oh yea, Tsuki was boring as dirt

[grizzled acorn]

I liked Karen bee

wtf

[slender skiff]

Tsukihi Phoenix tho

[grizzled acorn]

nah. you are being swayed by the openings

[slender skiff]

I argue it was supposed to be poignant

[grizzled acorn]

Karen bee > Tsukihi Phoenix

[silver robin]

honestly

i agree

[slender skiff]

I

[silver robin]

karen arc was better

[grizzled acorn]

lets goo

[silver robin]

granted its been a hot minute since ive seen it

[slender skiff]

Actually prefer marshmallow justice

To platinum disco

[silver robin]

i only remember the two kana hanazawa openings

[slender skiff]

Well I do have a soft spot for Kita Eri voiced characters

[silver robin]

[grizzled acorn]

Kaiki introduction! coulda been handled differently but I feel that it was a great way to introduce and characterize him

[faint crag]

establishes Kaiki as an actual character, shows Karen and her relationships with Koyomi, commentates on fire sisters' brand of justice and how it contrasts with actual justice and "what even is actual justice"

[grizzled acorn]

yeah that karen and araragi stuff too. but more importantly. deishu kaiki

[slender skiff]

Tbh I find phoenix more interesting but ehhh

[grizzled acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monogatari-hanamonogatari-kaiki-deshu-kaiki-suruga-kanbaru-gif-18566712

my reaction

[silver robin]

lol

[slender skiff]

Perhaps hindsight is 20/20

[silver robin]

perhaps you are just wrong

its fine to admit it

[grizzled acorn]

sam cooking rn

[silver robin]

i really need to go study

[slender skiff]

I mean preference is preference

[silver robin]

that is true

[slender skiff]

I never said it was better

[grizzled acorn]

of course

[slender skiff]

I feel like it could have been poignant

That said, surprised no one mentioned kizu

[grizzled acorn]

except for this preference. cant let this one slide.

[slender skiff]

Over platinum disco

Yes I said it

And I will die on that hill

[grizzled acorn]

😭

[slender skiff]

Cos platinum disco is almost as overplayed as renai

[grizzled acorn]

ok that is fair

[stable herald]

I just realized this but, dude built like goddamn Kirei

[grizzled acorn]

it is super overplayed

[stable herald]

Not a bad thing, but hella hot

[grizzled acorn]

yorokobe

[slender skiff]

PU LA
TI NA
UREISHI NI YO NI

[grizzled acorn]

I actually made a mono op tier list recently. lemme find it rq

might get absolutely blasted for this though

[slender skiff]

I mean

It's Kogarashi Sentiment >>>>>> Everything else

[grizzled acorn]

not ordered within tiers. was too lazy to do that

[slender skiff]

The colour

[grizzled acorn]

yeah its hard to read, but it be like that

[slender skiff]

I agree with sugar sweet

[faint crag]

what the actual fuck

[grizzled acorn]

there is a very clear Hanekawa bias in this tier list but I know im cooking

[grizzled acorn]

those ops suck bro

[slender skiff]

White lies doesn't even exist in my head

[faint crag]

Mousou Express in C while Renai is A is actually wild

[slender skiff]

Like I have it in the playlist

But I don't know how it sounds like

Mousou tho

[grizzled acorn]

Bro fr telling me this isnt bottom tier compared to other mono openings

https://youtu.be/rhIeViPKANE

[slender skiff]

Mousou is da shit

Especially if you compare it to renai

[grizzled acorn]

My mosou take is probably my hottest tbh, just not for me

[stable herald]

MY MAN DRIP AS HELL

[grizzled acorn]

where is his cross

[slender skiff]

No as in nights

Watch mousou and renai side by side

You will get your mind blown

[grizzled acorn]

I did that last time you told me to

😭

[slender skiff]

I don't think I did

[grizzled acorn]

you or someone else did, i remember having a mono op discussion with you

[slender skiff]

I mean then again it's Kubo I mean Nadeko's journey into the unhealthy obsession dom

[grizzled acorn]

so i assumed

[slender skiff]

I mean

I was the one who introduced someone to Kogarashi

Was it you or Sam

[grizzled acorn]

me

I wasnt planning on listening ahead on the ops but im glad you got me to

kogarashi is straight 🔥

[faint crag]

Yea, I think most people got the point of "delusion express" when they watched it the first time, ender

[slender skiff]

I mean

If you paid attention to the lyrics or the tune it gets even more uncanny

[faint crag]

I don't know lyrics, but it always gave creepy vibes

[grizzled acorn]

I get all that, and its really cool, however, I just dont like the song that much. as painful as that is to say

[slender skiff]

It's

Not meant to be particularly likeable

[grizzled acorn]

wouldnt listen to it on my own time really

[slender skiff]

It's meant to creep you out ye

[grizzled acorn]

didnt creep me out either, but that is a herculean feat tbh

[faint crag]

while Renai is A

[grizzled acorn]

I would listen to Renai on my own time 100%

[slender skiff]

Playing the TV OPs side by side is already unsettling

Cos you can see the animations sync up

[faint crag]

actual psycho

[grizzled acorn]

I do listen to it on my own time, im evil as fuck

[slender skiff]

Paying attention to the lyrics makes you even more uncomfortable

Then if you wanna make it even worse

[grizzled acorn]

the ones I listen to most though are kogarashi and the hanekawa openings

[slender skiff]

Play mousou the full

And pay attention to the 2nd last line

[frosty knoll]

So

[grizzled acorn]

I have, its in my spotify playlist. done that too lol

[frosty knoll]

I tried to watch the 2022 adaption of Spriggan

[grizzled acorn]

just realized I said I wouldnt listen to it on my own time yet it is in my playlist. peak hypocrisy

[slender skiff]

She says "se no" near the end of the mousou

[faint crag]

exposed

[grizzled acorn]

exposed myself

[slender skiff]

Which is how renai starts

Lood

[frosty knoll]

What weirdness are you guys up to, anyway?

[faint crag]

I mean I just use The Official Spotify™️ Monogatari™️ Playlist

[slender skiff]

The weirdness known as monogatari

[grizzled acorn]

I am waging war rn

[frosty knoll]

Feels like it’s the same group of 5-10 people

And I’m just over here being annoyed at the DP adaptation of Spriggan from last year

[slender skiff]

I

Can't say I've ever watched it

[frosty knoll]

Just read the manga

Seriously

The sound design isn’t particularly unique and it uses so much 3D that it’s confusing why they bother with 2D at all

The music feels stock, too

They somehow managed to turn a story about tracking down alien artifacts boring to watch

While also accurately adapting the manga

How

It’s a quantum superposition of being a good adaptation and a bad anime

Which is weird because the manga is great

Like

This goes hard

[faint crag]

eh, it's same as berserk
it has good "adaptations" which fucking suck as anime

some things just don't translate into animation

[frosty knoll]

The overuse and blandness of the CGI didn’t help

Which is weird because DP has done some really kickass CGI before

Like

If they’d done it in the style of the Phantom Blood opening

That would’ve been really fucking badass

Also the French werewolf doesn’t have a French accent in the English dub

[stable herald]

What does the 2 indicates?

[frosty knoll]

And the first mention of the character is that he’s French

[silver robin]

zenbu zenbu zenbu zenbu

[slender skiff]

Yeah that's some nice manga art wow

[frosty knoll]

We know he’s French before we see him or get a name

And they don’t give him a French accent in the dub

This grits my gears way harder than it should

The Japanese is… okay

[silver robin]

probably volume 2 i presume

[frosty knoll]

A lot of it feels halfassed

[stable herald]

i dont mind if its novel

[frosty knoll]

That’s what Spriggan 2022 feels like

[stable herald]

its good as hell

[frosty knoll]

Half assed

I go now

Go read the manga for Spriggan

That is all

[slender skiff]

Let's be honest

CGI in anime is very hit or miss for one

[faint crag]

wait I just realized it doesn't have platinum disco/marshmallow justice for some reason, even tho futakotome is in it and it's the same fucking album lmao

[slender skiff]

Like it largely depends on the studio/team animating it

[slender skiff]

And also how it's used

It takes a lot of skill to blend in the typical anime artstyle with 3D models

[faint crag]

my favourite recent thing about CGI is when people were complaining about CGI in CSM and were using as an example scenes that don't have CGI

that was fun, really shows you the expertise of people online

[grizzled acorn]

thats so fucking genius

[slender skiff]

My sides have gone into orbit

[faint crag]

it uses a bit unusual animation style in some scene and people just went REEEE CGI

and tbh - there is some cgi in CSM that isn't blend in that well
but it's still funny

[slender skiff]

Which studio did CSM again?

Mappa?

[faint crag]

Mappa

[slender skiff]

Yeah mappa isn't the cleanest with CGI

But they're still well ahead of most others

[stable herald]

wait what

[slender skiff]

Gold standard is still ufo and wit after all

[stable herald]

csm cgis was complained?

[faint crag]

I mean are you surprised weebs would complain for no reason?

[stable herald]

Weebs are ungrateful?

Wait whay

what universr im living in

[slender skiff]

[faint crag]

ufo doesn't work with CGI that much tho?
At least I don't remember it being that prominent

[slender skiff]

Well

At the very least

They pioneered the use of 3D models in anime

[stable herald]

Also ender, i like that revolutionary princess pfp. cute

[trim swan]

hello guys I'm here to cimplane about eminence in shadow anime CGI
i don't like it

[slender skiff]

It's from the LN

[faint crag]

the best use of heavy cgi show for me is HnK

[slender skiff]

This tho

[stable herald]

hnk?

[faint crag]

houseki no kuni

[stable herald]

oh

but ita a great anime

ngl

[faint crag]

it's amazing

[slender skiff]

Ufotable has a surprising amount of cgi actually res

[stable herald]

i love it

[faint crag]

do you mean "cgi" or just post-processing effects?

[stable herald]

My love for it is bigger than Phos getting a mental breakdown

[faint crag]

I really need to catch up on manga

[stable herald]

manga is very gud yes

[faint crag]

I stopped at some point even before the hiatus

[grizzled acorn]

Orange???

[slender skiff]

It's just so well done it isn't obvious

[grizzled acorn]

only time its really obvious is like, the holy grail goop and the similar looking stuff in mugen train

otherwise ufotable uses cgi expertly. Orange is the best cgi studio though with land of the lustrous, beastars, and now trigun stampede

[faint crag]

Oh right! Trigun! I remembered there was something CGI heavy recently and wanted to use that as an example, but forgot what it was

[slender skiff]

I haven't seen any studio orange work so I can't comment there

[faint crag]

wait you haven't seen hnk?

[slender skiff]

Nope

Genuinely no

[faint crag]

you really should watch it
I think you'd enjoy just for Phos alone

[slender skiff]

I'll take note of that then

Actually

Now that I think about it

Are people complaining about CGI or 3D models more

I always felt it was more models than the CGI

[trim swan]

aren't those the same thing

[faint crag]

depends
it mostly is

[slender skiff]

If we consider them the same

Yes ufo uses CGI a shit ton then

They've been using CGI since KnK

[faint crag]

just anything computer generated is CGI, which includes even post-processing, but when people say CGI they mostly mean 3d character models

[slender skiff]

https://youtu.be/B5JMZm5m1o8

[faint crag]

oh, speaking of CGI
I think one of the best pure CGI are Precure endings actually

[slender skiff]

That's ufotable using CGI

In 2007

[faint crag]

https://v.animethemes.moe/MahoutsukaiPrecure-ED1.webm

[slender skiff]

Ufotable in a way pioneered the use of cgi in this sense

[faint crag]

does it embed?

[slender skiff]

To display dynamic camera angles more easily

[faint crag]

I think it doesn't embed

[slender skiff]

(it does not)

[faint crag]

oh well

[slender skiff]

Guess who did the same 5 years later

Studio Wit with AoT's OLM scenes

Those are all cgi heavy too

[grizzled acorn]

oh yeah ender I forgot to ask you

off topic af rn, but what are your thoughts on Algard after today's episode of magirevo?

actually. you read ahead in the ln 💀

[slender skiff]

I'm suddenly forgetting who that is
The prince?

[grizzled acorn]

yeah

[slender skiff]

Given what I see of screengrabs

I'm assuming end of the 2nd volume

So well this is my opinion

||He definitely had malicious intentions about it||

||But you can't say the blame falls entirely on him||

And that

[grizzled acorn]

just gotta make sure we're on the same page rq, ||you mean right after he stabs lainie and takes her magicite right?||

[slender skiff]

Is gonna haunt Anis for a while

Oh wait has the conflict not been resolved yet?

[grizzled acorn]

no

this stuff happened at the end of ep 8

[slender skiff]

Then I won't say anything

[grizzled acorn]

aight

[slender skiff]

Let the siblings have their heart to heart conversation first

Cos you have to understand his motivations for it

To form a fair opinion

[grizzled acorn]

rn I think Al is absolutely cooking tbh, I went off on my status on AL analyzing him tbh

nah we got the conversation

or at least some of it, there may be more

[slender skiff]

Well I can say this much

It's desperation

Really born out of circumstances indirectly caused by Anis yeeting the throne on him

So while the means were dirty

Can you really fully blame him for it?

[grizzled acorn]

not at all

I think he's in the right tbh

[slender skiff]

I mean
He's not in the right for choosing this method certainly

But it goes back to my point of

[grizzled acorn]

He has the right intentions in every way with a ends justify the means approach

respectfully

[slender skiff]

This series has an eerily accurate way of depicting relationships

In this case, sibling relationships

[grizzled acorn]

All of his reasonings and incentives are supported by historically proven and/or accepted ideologies and philosophies

from what I've seen so far

[slender skiff]

In simple terms

||Anis being selfish as a child and yeeting the throne on him is the actual root cause for all of his resentment, and by extension this incident||

||But there's absolutely no way she could have realised this would happen eventually||

Ok well, maybe she should have given her isekai status

[grizzled acorn]

||was all this caused by resentment? Because tbh, everything he has said so far has been based more on logic and reason as opposed to emotion imo||

[slender skiff]

Well, not all of it certainly

But it is the root cause

The thing is

[grizzled acorn]

||is his goal not to bridge the gap between the nobility and the commonwealth?||

[slender skiff]

That's what he says

[grizzled acorn]

interesting.

[slender skiff]

But think about their age for a second

Consider their relationship

Do you really think that's all?

[grizzled acorn]

well not all

[slender skiff]

If you ask me

I saw it as more of

He's using all these to justify his actions and feelings after the fact

[grizzled acorn]

but such a goal is not improbable for someone his age, its naive and childish

[slender skiff]

That's how I saw it

It's like

[grizzled acorn]

and there are other circumstances that back up that being a legitimate goal of his

[slender skiff]

"Ok I feel this way, but how do I dress it up in a way it's not all a tantrum"

No matter what their long term goal is, it all boils down to their relationship as siblings

||Had Anis not yeeted the throne on him to begin with, none of this sophistry would even be in discussion||

[grizzled acorn]

well, yeah that much is true

[slender skiff]

How do I say it

||He resents her in the sense that, despite being the older and way more capable sibling, she was allowed to be selfish and chase her own pursuits - forcing him to become king and the long droll that is required for it||

||In fact I would argue it became worse because he realised that her discoveries had the potential to do so much more for the kingdom itself, rather than just for her own goals||

To put it bluntly
||"You have all this potential, talent and capabilities, you've done so many things I never could have. Yet why must I be the one to take the helm, when you can make it so much better? Why must I be the one suffering because of your selfishness!"||

[grizzled acorn]

I'm imagining this part of his character conflict become more apparent to the viewer after the current issue is resolved?

[slender skiff]

Well it's something they discuss during the fight

[grizzled acorn]

ah ok

[slender skiff]

He flings all his resentment at her really

[grizzled acorn]

Yeah the fight hasn't started

[slender skiff]

And it leaves a very lasting impact on her

[grizzled acorn]

I do like that though, it just makes him an even more complex character than he already is

[slender skiff]

It completely screws her over for the subsequent arc

[grizzled acorn]

this is a good direction for it to take. I like this

[slender skiff]

And not just her

But it also heavily messes up her relationship with Euphy

Tho the seeds of the conflict have already been planted

[grizzled acorn]

there's so much I gotta see from this series

12 episodes is not enough 😔

[slender skiff]

I don't know if they'll even cover the subsequent arc

We're at ep 8? 9?

8

Well if we have 13 eps maybe they could make it work

Nope 12

[grizzled acorn]

nope. 12

this is regrettable

hoping for s2 ig

[slender skiff]

Yeah that's why I like this series so much

The character dynamics are spot on

Sometimes, everyone is to blame

[grizzled acorn]

this is the first seasonal since I started using Anilist to make me want to write out my thoughts on an episode lol

[slender skiff]

It's nuanced

In this case, both of them are to blame

And in fact I believe the parents end up expressing their own regrets

That things turned out this way

[grizzled acorn]

id hope so

[slender skiff]

Nuance is very hard to get right in any form of narrative

Even bookworm struggles to get nuance right

Not that it hasn't

It's particularly obvious in one particular incident in part 3

Largely because Ferdinand (is forced to) spell it

[grizzled acorn]

regrettably I havent started part 3 yet (I am sorry)

took a break after part 2 to read Zaregoto and Pandora Hearts. almost done with the latter so I will be back on the grind momentarily 🫡

[slender skiff]

Part 3 is a bit long

Part 4 is twice as long

[grizzled acorn]

yeah thats why Im taking breaks. long ass series

dont wanna be burnt out of it

[slender skiff]

Res stopped at the end of part 4

Understandably

It's agonising to wait for releases of part 5

[faint crag]

At the end of part 4 makes it sound like I didn't finish it

[slender skiff]

Gomen Res

[faint crag]

But yea, I'll wait for more volumes to come out in part 5

[slender skiff]

I meant stopped once part 4 was done

[faint crag]

[grizzled acorn]

paused is a better word ig

[slender skiff]

Stopped before part 5 FINE

[grizzled acorn]

im also probably gonna take a break there and by probably I mean I will and you cannot stop me

[slender skiff]

I mean

As with every part of bookworm

The end of each part signifies some major changes in Myne's life

Which is why it's a good place to stop

I did try reading the WN

[grizzled acorn]

yeah at least im not some psychopath taking breaks between random volumes in the part

[slender skiff]

Google TL can be scarily accurate at translating

[grizzled acorn]

although I may in part 4, cause thats what? 9 volumes?

[slender skiff]

3, 4, 5, 9, 10

[grizzled acorn]

evil

[slender skiff]

Well as of now it's 10

Think it'll be wrapped up with 11

[grizzled acorn]

is 5 finished and just waiting on translation rn or was 5 the last part?

[slender skiff]

5 is the final part, still being released

[grizzled acorn]

ok

[slender skiff]

Translation is up to p5v2

[grizzled acorn]

oh right. super fucking behind

[faint crag]

You're like a little baby, watch this
[Pauses in the middle of the volume]

[slender skiff]

At least volume releases are super fast

[grizzled acorn]

I will literally stop reading part 3 volume 2 at page 148 to read the entirety of One Piece before picking it back up

[slender skiff]

3 months per TL?

I think

Jan 19 for P5V2, Apr 6 for P5V3

Less than that even

[grizzled acorn]

decent rate. unfortunate though because it will take like two years for all of it to come out in English

I was not aware this would turn into a multi year affair when you recommended this series to me

[slender skiff]

I mean reading the series itself can become a multi year affair

[faint crag]

Me reading monogatari

[grizzled acorn]

😨

fr

[slender skiff]

I've

Read the series more than a few times

To ensure I grasp everything

[grizzled acorn]

I started monogatari in early 2022

ish

[slender skiff]

Dunno about monogatari

[grizzled acorn]

its not too bad

[slender skiff]

I have a bit of a backlog at the moment

[grizzled acorn]

ill be done with it before this year is halfway over

[slender skiff]

Like 5? Series I follow

Released new volumes yesterday

[grizzled acorn]

so like, a year and a half affair but if i was reading it on my phone id be long done

[slender skiff]

Tenshi 5, Bofuri 8, Alya 2, Mushoku 21

Oh and Death March 18

[grizzled acorn]

When is Mushoku projected to be fully translated?

dont feel like picking it back up till I can binge it all

[slender skiff]

It hasn't even been fully released

[grizzled acorn]

what?? I thought it ended?

[slender skiff]

No lol

Redundancy is due to be published

[grizzled acorn]

AL is lying

[faint crag]

I mean it's a spinoff
The main series has ended

[slender skiff]

[grizzled acorn]

ender lying and deceiving me

[slender skiff]

Ok fair

[grizzled acorn]

smh

[slender skiff]

At the current rate tho

6th June for next volume

So about 4 months

[grizzled acorn]

nice!

big W

[slender skiff]

Uh

Not finished in 4 months

[grizzled acorn]

you are a misleading man

[slender skiff]

Next vol is in 4 months

[grizzled acorn]

😭

not nice. day ruined.

[slender skiff]

I'm doing the math hush

20 months

So almost 2 years

[grizzled acorn]

damn.

this is why I prefer finished series lol

the ln world is evil

[slender skiff]

I can count the number of LNs I follow that are of actually finished series

3

That are actually completed

And even then those have sequels/spin offs

[grizzled acorn]

I havent read too many lns yet, but Monogatari, Fate/zero, garden of sinners, and garden of avalon are done

there are a few others on my ptr that are done

[slender skiff]

Oh wait no 4

Mahouka, Oregairu, Case Files, Konosuba

But case files translation is

As is mahouka if you don't read the wiki

A few are caught up

Another few are just

Most of them are still ongoing

[faint crag]

monogatari
done

[slender skiff]

PFFFFFT

[faint crag]

If you just stop at some point, then sure

[slender skiff]

https://twitter.com/edomonogatari/status/1628393780973015040?t=vOGPDtrOlItdLJMSlKSSfQ&s=19

He hasn't seen this then

Edo (@edomonogatari)

The final project for NISIOISIN's 20th anniversary as an author: an ani...mated conversation between the Nonsense User and Koyomi Araragi!

It reveals that the story arc covered in the upcoming Ikusamonogatari novel is called "Hitagi Honeymoon." https://t.co/pBU92i0loD

Likes

452

Twitter · Feb 22, 2023, 1:58 PM

@grizzled acorn

[grizzled acorn]

you are completely right. I havent

I count it as done tho cause monster and off season are simply never getting translated. only 1-3 is real

[faint crag]

Off-season is fully fan translated

[grizzled acorn]

are they good fan tls 🤨

[faint crag]

Who knows, haven't read yet

Almost certainly not tho

But considering Vertical is fucking dead - they're as good as we'll get

[grizzled acorn]

why must vertical be dead

they stopped at Zaregoto volume 3 too. the fan tls were awful for 4 and after

[faint crag]

They got bought by Kodansha

[grizzled acorn]

😭😭

[thorn briar]

Delta , source: eminence in shadow

[thorny nest]

[stable herald]

i meaan

i wont say i wouldnt

at the same time i rlly would

wanting to ||have a nice bloody afternoon tea with her||

[trim swan]

you don't choose delta if you wanna have tea

you choose her if you've got a whole cow that no one wants to eat

[meager ridge]

Or if you want to have a "chill" hutning session

[thorn briar]

I love them both

[thorn briar]

Red tea but the red is blood

[thorn briar]

[thorn briar]

Finally, I finished the episode

He's so annoying

And what he did

[slender skiff]

Well

In this series

Never judge books by their cover

even if you've already read half the contents

in other words, don't be so quick to cast judgment on him

[thorn briar]

Wait , so he will become better

But I don't think that I will like him later , since I didn't like him from the beginning

Also , he reminds of 1 character that I actually hate

[slender skiff]

Uh I never said that

What I meant was

You have to consider his motivations

And why he even has said motivations to begin with

He's not some cartoon villain in other words

[thorn briar]

[trim swan]

I'd be surprised if that reason wasn't envy towards his sister

[rose oriole]

What'd I miss?

[slender skiff]

well yes, envy is one of the reasons
but envy regarding what

it's not like Anis herself is completely innocent here

[inner sphinx]

[rose oriole]

[red magnet]

Is this also eminence in shadow

[silver robin]

she just like me frfr

[thorn briar]

No , its : Tensei Oujo to Tensai Reijou no Mahou Kakumei

[rose oriole]

[red magnet]

Neat

[slender skiff]

In the words of the trio
"Die! Miledi!"

And yet Miledi has her own spin off

Where she's the MC

Well, that's definitely the first time I've seen this idea...

@silver robin since he's following it

[inner sphinx]

Is that one getting anime adaptation?

[slender skiff]

Ya think?

Honestly no announcement about it

I haven't read arifureta zero myself

[inner sphinx]

Would be nice if so
Though somehow Arifureta has never been in my list if someone asks for recommendation

That Zero has ended too

I have only read until they met the 3rd Liberator iirc

[slender skiff]

I mean

Even main series has ended LN wise

...I think

[red magnet]

@thorn briar NEW PSYCHOPASS MOVIE

[rose oriole]

[halcyon dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-gaming-sigh-shrug-gif-16607444

[silver robin]

uh i dont follow kanokari

[slender skiff]

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

Sounds like a confession to me

[silver robin]

its true though

If i wanted to read another trashy rom com id read rent a gf out of all the other options out there

cause visually its good

(thats the only reason)

[slender skiff]

My man

There exists series that reiji has drawn

But gasp has not written the story for

And it's infinitely better

How about you read those instead

[silver robin]

Like what

[slender skiff]

https://anilist.co/manga/53052/AKB49-Renai-Kinshi-Jourei/

Drawn by, but not written by reiji

[silver robin]

[thorn briar]

[trim swan]

y'all watch psychopass?

[silver robin]

i watched ep 1

[trim swan]

i think it's pretty good

atleast till the part where akane chan is the MC

[grizzled acorn]

💀💀

You mean the entire show?

[trim swan]

hmm I remember there being a part where a male dude was protag for a while and akane was working behind the scenes or something

[grizzled acorn]

Akane was always the primary mc, kogami was very prevalent though for season 1

[trim swan]

did you watch psycho pass 3?

[nocturne widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqzdUcc3k9Y&ab_channel=KADOKAWAanime

[grizzled acorn]

I didnt watch past season 1 because Urobuchi was no longer writing it

and I heard there was a drastic drop in quality, plus the story ended nicely in s1. No need to tarnish my experience with one of my favorite anime

[trim swan]

well ig the quality did drop

i only watched it cause I had nothing else to do and i don't even remember most of it

from what i recall tho, akane isn't the protag in s3

[grizzled acorn]

yeah the lead changes there

[slender skiff]

Goddammit

[frosty knoll]

Why do I find the majority of modern seasonals utterly boring

[faint crag]

Because they are

[slender skiff]

^

I mean

It's the majority of seasonal period

There's like 30 anime every season

The majority will be mediocre

[boreal oyster]

i am

kessoku

band

[faint crag]

@slender skiff @grizzled acorn 😤

[slender skiff]

Mathemagics

Bless

[faint crag]

(as much as I dislike Renai, it deserves B for just how well it fits the character and I kinda supposed to feel the way I do)

[faint crag]

(Endings tierlist is much easier)

[silver robin]

i was about to say, if kimi no shiranai monogatari was not very high up

[grizzled acorn]

Kaerimichi in C?

[faint crag]

ye

[grizzled acorn]

Youre breaking my heart

[faint crag]

[silver robin]

I dont like the mayoi arcs as much as some of the others though tbf

[faint crag]

I really like Kaerimichi's animation, but the song does not do it for me at all.
Same with happy bite, except I don't care about its animation either

[faint crag]

You mean her story?
I like it, it's simple, but it works.

[silver robin]

im not saying its horrible im just saying its worse than the others i remember

like i didn't really like the bit where arararagi turned into a lolicon

[grizzled acorn]

araragi is always a lolicon

[faint crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506527277907968013/1072815692132388974/Screenshot_20230208-103326_FBReader_Premium.jpg

[grizzled acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[silver robin]

@slender skiff

[slender skiff]

Idk how complex hata wants to make the story honestly

It's making the same mistakes hayate made

[silver robin]

[zinc lance]

WAT

and no i didn't edit it in

oh she's stronk. the Autor has his prioritys straight

[ivory mauve]

Suspicious

[zinc lance]

it's fine, she's not comming out of a wall

[ivory mauve]

Yet

[zinc lance]

man, why is the countrys name sandals

why a shoe

they could have choosen anything

[ivory mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/flipflop-chances-focus-attention-gif-17723973

[stable herald]

what mango name?

ouhh, same manga as sandals country?

[zinc lance]

nono a different one

Sandals is garbage brave

[stable herald]

who doesnt know how OP i am

oh

oh

another trashsekai?

or there actually smth in it?

yo what the fuck, 1.4mil view in the website im using

[zinc lance]

hmmmm i dunno

what i read so far was only soso

[stable herald]

Hmmm, a man with no common sense but quite conscious with himself

Ok i already liking this, i love laffey's reactions

[inner sphinx]

Yet another Alchemist manga

the last one I read was not Isekai, though there were heroes from another world that came years ago and they already came back
the heroes had catalog book and left the book behind, the MC created stuff based on that, thinking the items are all really useful when in reality they're just advertisements scams

but ended up creating actual OP stuff anyway

[neat pelican]

To think the Alchemy setup is still popular outside of the Atelier games, and Full Metal Alchemist

[inner sphinx]

Souzou Renkinjutsushi wa Jiyuu wo Ouka suru: Kokyou wo Tsuihou saretara, Maou no Ohizamoto de Chouzetsu Kouka no Magic Item Tsukuri-houdai ni Narimashita

Quite a short title for a new one

[neat pelican]

[inner sphinx]

Henkyou no Renkinjutsushi: Imasara Yosan Zero no Shokuba ni Modoru Toka Mou Muri

[neat pelican]

Wait, was that the title for one, or 8 things there?

[inner sphinx]

for one

[neat pelican]

It's like, give the synopsis for the LN as the title so that way people won't say "what is this about anyways?"

[pallid osprey]

Is baka Ender around?

[ivory mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/kiniro-mosaic-kiniro-mosaic-anime-teacher-gif-19978942

[stable herald]

me want

office worker lady

[stable herald]

Which any of those have the good kind of mc, i meant like non blackhole personality

[slow otter]

https://youtu.be/VfkdJj7km7o

[silver robin]

I just watched the first ep of madoka and holy shit i didnt know yuki kajiura did the music for it

[grizzled acorn]

lets gooo

have fun, sam

[frosty knoll]

Madoka was kind of mediocre for me

[grizzled acorn]

same for me at first. I watched it in 9th grade and I didn't think it was that special but it aged really well for me in hindsight

[ivory mauve]

She's actually a Assassin

[stable herald]

share onegai

[ivory mauve]

"Youngest Scion of the Mages"

[stable herald]

tqvm

is she

very good fml?

or shes not?

[ivory mauve]

She's Not a FmL

[silver robin]

Idk if ill have time to finish it

every friday my uni anime club watches the 1st ep of anime that we voted on for that week

this week was lucky star, k-on, madoka, and gurren lagann

all anime i havent seen yet surprisingly

[stable herald]

well issokay

shes hot anyway

[slender skiff]

@grizzled acorn
And people ask why Kana Hana isn't in FGO

[grizzled acorn]

FR she should be

such a good VA

[slender skiff]

Alice is iirc one of the main characters in MnY

[grizzled acorn]

yeah she is

Alice is goated 🔥

[slender skiff]

And in terms of FSF she's a rather confusing existence
She doesn't seem to be the Ayaka that Waver knows

And I mean she's saber's master

Surely she will be important

[grizzled acorn]

wait why does Waver know her?

[slender skiff]

In FSF

[grizzled acorn]

right

[slender skiff]

Ayaka used to be in his class

[grizzled acorn]

still need to read it. I usually think of her as the prototype character

[slender skiff]

However, early on we find out that the Ayaka from his class is no where close to America

So this Ayaka is a mystery

Gotta remember waver's class is huge

[grizzled acorn]

by class do you mean his year or just all the people that were being taught by kayneth in the zero prologue?

[slender skiff]

And he has many graduates from his class that have surpassed him in rank

[grizzled acorn]

cause that lecture hall was pretty fucking huge

oh you mean when he taught

TRUE

[slender skiff]

The people he ends up teaching

I mean

[grizzled acorn]

gotta reread el mellois

[slender skiff]

Waver becomes heavily involved in strange fake too

[grizzled acorn]

yippee

[slender skiff]

Well, later on at least

I mean, even Rin reappears in SF

In a not so minor role

[grizzled acorn]

strange fake is shaping up to be fire

[slender skiff]

That's why I made a joke that Rin is in like every Fate work

[grizzled acorn]

cannot wait to read it. The more TM light novels thrown at me the further bookworm gets pushed back tho lol

[slender skiff]

And plays a not so minor role in each one

You know she's in case files too right

[grizzled acorn]

she really does

[slender skiff]

[grizzled acorn]

yes

[slender skiff]

She's even in fucking Taiga Dojo

[grizzled acorn]

on the topic of Rin, would you agree that she is at her peak writing wise in HF as opposed to in UBW?

[slender skiff]

Agreed

[grizzled acorn]

everyone else agrees with me except my roommate

[slender skiff]

For as rush job as HF is

[grizzled acorn]

guess he will have to revisit HF

[slender skiff]

It's more of

Seeing her relationship with Sakura is just

[grizzled acorn]

goated

[slender skiff]

Esp in HA

[grizzled acorn]

is she even better in HA?

gotta figure out how the hell to play that game lol

[slender skiff]

Rin is missing for a lot of the early parts of HA

But when she appears

She slaps

Quite literally

[grizzled acorn]

[slender skiff]

She slaps archer for trying to kill shirou again

[slender skiff]

Tho Rin being teased by Sakura is nothing short of hilarious

How the turn tables indeed

[stable herald]

rin x sakura?

WAIT

I forgot theyre siblings

[grizzled acorn]

Nah you were cooking for a second

[grizzled acorn]

Nasu doesnt care about that, though tbh

[slender skiff]

Lmfao

[grizzled acorn]

one of my favorite authors really out here writing that shit

crazy

[stable herald]

whos nasu?

what series from

[grizzled acorn]

Nasu is the guy that wrote Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, Garden of Sinners, etc.

that line is from the original Tsukihime visual novel

[stable herald]

ahh i thought its that in series character

[grizzled acorn]

oh, lol nah

[faint crag]

[trim swan]

saaay no~
demo sonnan ja dame~
mo sonnan ja hora~
kokora ga shinka suru yo motto motto~

[frosty knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/pistol-anime-reload-gif-24353953

[trim swan]

renai circulation one of the best songs of all time frfr

[slender skiff]

Only people who've never watched the monogatari series will say that

[trim swan]

I've watched first 3 episodes of bakemonogatari

[slender skiff]

The point still applies

[trim swan]

[thorn briar]

I watched bakemonogatari, but I'm pretty sure I dropped it after this

I wasn't sure of the correct order to watch it

Fate was easier to watch and its still better

[slender skiff]

I mean

Monogatari is great but it's definitely not for everyone

[slender skiff]

That said fate timeline is far worse if you consider anything past the main zero to stay night timeline

[thorn briar]

Far worse

I googled the watch order of fate and then watched based on it

[slender skiff]

Because fate isn't a linear timeline

Monogatari is linear

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

It's either you watch it in release order or timeline order

For fate well

There's a billion ways to watch it

[thorn briar]

I'm trying to get back to fate zero just to finish it and I always forget about it

[slender skiff]

Like

1. UBW/HF -> Zero -> HF/UBW (whichever you didn't watch)

That's the most basic

The alternative to 1. Would be
Zero -> UBW/HF

Which I personally do not recommend

[thorn briar]

I watched fate deen one , and then UBW the movie and after it UBW from ufotable

[slender skiff]

UBW the movie is an abomination

[thorn briar]

I did somehow enjoy it

[slender skiff]

Then there's still Apocrypha

[flat cedar]

astolfo

[slender skiff]

The 3 Kaleids and their movies

And then there's last encore

And grand order

And that's just those with "fate" in the name

[faint crag]

Fate isn't linear in a "you can just watch whatever the fuck you want" sense.

[slender skiff]

There's also Garden of Sinners/Kara no Kyoukai

[thorn briar]

I didn't finish last core and the illya ones

[thorn briar]

I did watch all of them

[faint crag]

The only series that are connected are Stay Night and Zero and even there I still stand that you can watch those in any order

[slender skiff]

Honestly for monogatari just watch release order if you're interested

[faint crag]

I'm always confused when I hear people talk about "watch order" about series that are just... linear.

[slender skiff]

Monogatari's issue is more of

[faint crag]

There's no another watch order anyway. You're not given options to watch them in the "wrong" order unless you go out of your way to watch season 1 after season 3 or some shit

[slender skiff]

The release order isn't the chronological order

But frankly

[faint crag]

yea, which is intended

[slender skiff]

You don't need to watch it in chronological order

The story makes even less sense if you watch it in chronological order honestly

Because as Res said

[faint crag]

The only part of the series that kinda falls out of "just watch it as it's released" is Kizu and it's a prequel series you can watch at any point

[slender skiff]

The story was written in that way for a reason

[faint crag]

Monogatari are literally categorized as "First Season, Second Season, Final Season"

[faint crag]

I mean, I do plan to re-watch them chronologically at some point, but I already watched the anime twice and read all the books

[slender skiff]

Soon ™️

[thorn briar]

[faint crag]

I just want to watch them with character commentaries and doing it chronologically seems like an interesting way to spice it up, not because I think chrono is a good way to watch it

[slender skiff]

And tbh

If you want confusing timeline

That award goes to index anyways

And I don't mean including the spin offs like railgun and accelerator

Just index alone is a fucking nightmare

[thorn briar]

Index was good but then I dropped it

[slender skiff]

Index is linear it's just that...

The way it's done makes it confusing

[faint crag]

I mean clearly chronological isn't intended if this is how this shit looks like

[slender skiff]

That's what happens when your main series has 3 MCs/perspectivess

I'm assuming blue is Mayoi Snail

Also huh
Neko Kuro takes place before Hitagi crab?

Shows how much I understood then

[faint crag]

I'm pretty sure Neko Kuro ends literally when Hitagi Crab begins

[slender skiff]

It has been a while

Perhaps I am due for a rewatch myself

And this time, finishing kizu

[slender skiff]

Oh

Wow it really is when it begins

[inner sphinx]

They strike me as MCs that are not completely oblivious

[stable herald]

tqvm

[grizzled acorn]

my reaction to missing both a Fate and monogatari conversation

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[gusty light]

If you dare make Carol cry, her "Ko-chan" will be super angry that you will scared for life

[quartz fox]

What do y'all think of Fate/stay Night [Heaven's Feel]? Since I found the trilogy for $30 on Xbox.

[thorn briar]

Heaven's feel is the best fate

[quartz fox]

Worth it then?

[zinc lance]

i just read that as Heaven's feet

[grizzled acorn]

Peak fiction

But that hinges pretty much entirely on whether youve watched the other fates like zero and ubw and enjoyed them

[quartz fox]

I've never seen Fate, I just know it seems neat. And is Fate acceptable in English dub form?

[faint crag]

It should be watchable without other parts, but I'd recommend watching Unlimited Blade Works first.

[quartz fox]

Is Evangelion worth getting too?

[faint crag]

People have polirizing thoughts about it tbh
Imo it's still holds up great

[neat pelican]

Unlimited Blade Works kind of follows what the VN did more or less

[faint crag]

Very kinda, in a "well it is supposed to be the same story" way

[grizzled acorn]

Id still recommend watching zero before ubw tbh

And if you can tolerate a bad show, 2006 stay night but you probably dont want to start there, so zero is what id recommend

[silver robin]

personally i wouldn't spend $30 for it

[gusty light]

also whut source

[silver robin]

especially if its on an online service that could go kaput

just get crunchyroll premium for a month and watch it, way cheaper

[gusty light]

me? 🏴‍☠️ is the answer

or go to Muse

[stable herald]

legend of the northern blade

very good manhwa

An actually a dinasty-liked settings that doesnt do cultivation bullshit

[gusty light]

oh ok

[stable herald]

Out of everything why a fucking jerk of a noble

get rekted

[inner sphinx]

Which one is this again?

so many alchemist titles that I might mistake it

for something else

[stable herald]

He's an alchemist

thats the title

dont blame me

[inner sphinx]

No no no
It can't be that short

[gusty light]

oh ok

I like short titles tho

short titles makes things easier to remember

heck

JP People DO shorten things up for long titles

[quartz fox]

What's the difference between Neon Genesis: Evangelion and Evangelion 3.0?

[grizzled acorn]

3.0 is the third of four movies that basically retell and alter the story

1.0 and 2.0 are a retelling, and then 3.0 and 4.0 branch off into a different ending kinda

you should probably just watch the original tbh, the .0 movies arent as good, nor will they make as much sense without the context from the originals

[quartz fox]

Aight.

[heady patrol]

Hearing so much about Boku no piko has, overtime, made me curious

Now I debate whether I should or shouldn’t

[stable herald]

???????????

First of all thats a hentai

2nd of all thats fucked up

3rd of all why that of all things you can consider to watch