anime-manga

[faint crag]

good thing ANILIST keeps track of dates

[silver robin]

so does MAL

[faint crag]

that's part 1

[silver robin]

i just don't keep track of dates for anime i watch during the season and anime from before i started using MAL

[slender skiff]

Apothecary is a different kind of amazing

[faint crag]

that's 2

[unkempt briar]

i just dont bother with tracking dates

[silver robin]

there was a chrome extension a while back that allowed you to keep track of when you bookmarked tabs

and i used that to go through all my anime

now its borked

and for some anime i bookmarked them on other devices

[thorn briar]

Is Ascendance of a Bookworm good to watch

[grizzled acorn]

one of the mal mobile apps automatically tracked dates, ik thats a thing at least

[silver robin]

like wii u

so i don't have dates for that

[slender skiff]

My only issue with ascendance anime

[silver robin]

yes i bookmarked anime on wii u browser don't question it

[slender skiff]

Is that the MC voice miiight be a bit annoying

If you found index/tsukihi annoying

They have the same VA

[silver robin]

index

[faint crag]

I mean she is a 7 yo kid so it makes sense

[silver robin]

it got worse and worse as it progressed

i stopped after s2

[unkempt briar]

btw thats one reason i hate because it reminds me of index

[slender skiff]

She is a young kid so yes it makes sense

I mean

[silver robin]

yes i also hate smol children

[slender skiff]

You stopped before the anime went to shit

[unkempt briar]

whenever i see datamine doko? i hear it in index's voice

its terrible

[faint crag]

lmao

[silver robin]

no like i started s3 but dropped it after a couple eps

[slender skiff]

Index S3 is an abomination I do not want to relive

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

It's a horror

[silver robin]

bro i don't want more accelerator theres the whole spinoff for it

[slender skiff]

And I sat through it all

[silver robin]

if i wanted more accelerator content id read the spin off

give me more touma punching people

[slender skiff]

The idol accelerator spin off?

[thorn briar]

Mute it when she appeares then

[slender skiff]

[unkempt briar]

blame the dumb director, just make railgun director do index from now on thanks

[silver robin]

thats the content i want

[trim swan]

did someone say datamine 📣 ⁉️

wait wrong channel

ok bye

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

But yes I do recommend it

It just might be

Very different from what you've watched

[silver robin]

only my railgun can shoot it, ima sugu

[slender skiff]

It's very unique

Even as far as isekais go

[silver robin]

this is all i know about railgun btw

[slender skiff]

Maybe best way to imagine is

Tensura, but everyone is actually human, and the world building is actually much more realistic

[silver robin]

so realist hero

[slender skiff]

And also, they actually are proper characters

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

Realist is more politics/macro scale

[grizzled acorn]

throwing tensura under the bus in every way possible

[slender skiff]

Which fits in more with later parts of Tensura

[unkempt briar]

you should watch it, altho id say it doesnt get good till s2

[faint crag]

I still haven't got to tensura

[slender skiff]

I dunno if that's the best comparison

[silver robin]

time to get to tensura

[slender skiff]

Tensura tries to do a lot of things

But I think it's still best at action

[faint crag]

just rewatch sister's arc 5 times, that's pretty good experience of watching railgun

[slender skiff]

Sister's arc and level 6 arc

[unkempt briar]

sister's arc is a highlight but the 2nd half of s2 is a mid filler arc, while both arcs of s3 are good 🙃

[slender skiff]

Those 2 are by far the best railgun arcs

[silver robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpHdgXETruI

[slender skiff]

JUST LIKE FLAAAAAAAMES

I prefer the 2nd OP of s1 still

[faint crag]

I haven't watched S3 of either Railgun nor Index
Index was pretty bad and I just decided "I'm cool actually ya know"

🙂

[slender skiff]

S3 railgun is fine

Genuinely

I have no idea how it's so fine honestly

[faint crag]

nah, I believe you
I'm just kinda exhausted with Raildex by this point

[slender skiff]

But somehow it had none of the issues index had

To be fair

[silver robin]

it has over 30 ln volumes as well

[faint crag]

it's good, but books are slog

[unkempt briar]

raildex's setting is better than its shows

[slender skiff]

Index is probably the largest LN franchise

30

30

We're at almost 60

[silver robin]

isn't it 30 in part 1

[slender skiff]

And that's just for index

22

[silver robin]

then like more in part 2 and part 3

[slender skiff]

22 for part 1, excluding side vols

28 for part 2 I think

Part 3 is at 7 I think?

[silver robin]

thats fair

[faint crag]

yea that's what got me through books mostly
It's geniunelly amazing in terms of worldbuilding and magic system

[slender skiff]

60 volumes in like

As a reminder

18 years

[faint crag]

but actual prose is atrocious
especially since I was reading fan tl

[slender skiff]

And that's not accounting for everything else he did

Such as railgun and accelerator

[silver robin]

fan tling is hard, you should be happy there were tls of some kind

[unkempt briar]

i wanna be isekai'd into the raildex universe

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

And other series entirely (re: heavy object)

[silver robin]

source: i tried fan tling

[silver robin]

get shocked by mikasa multiple times then say that again

[slender skiff]

He has like 100 volumes of books and manga published in the last 18 years

Like

That's ridiculous

[unkempt briar]

worth

[slender skiff]

It's a meme in the community

It's misaka

[silver robin]

oh

[slender skiff]

She isn't an ackerman

[silver robin]

rip me

or from azur lane

[slender skiff]

Or the Baba yes

[unkempt briar]

[slender skiff]

Are said 100 volumes all quality?

[silver robin]

probably not

[slender skiff]

...well certainly higher than reki

[faint crag]

tl itself is fine, I'm not really bashing it
Just that professional tl-er would be better at salvaging bad prose to better flow at target language, while fan tl-ers mostly just stick to as close to original text as possible, which makes it quite difficult to read at times

[silver robin]

unironically true

[slender skiff]

Reki has done half the amount

In the same amount of time

That said

Even if his quality is worse

Let's just say SAO sales more than make up for it

I think

[silver robin]

yea cause from my experience most fan tls use deepl, then have a human editor parse through the output, and depending on the quality of the output we put specific passages into deepl again or ask a native speaker to tl specific bits as needed

[faint crag]

I'll die on the hill that Reki is a very competent writer who writes shit because that's what people want

[slender skiff]

Fair argument

[faint crag]

and it works which makes me mad

[silver robin]

which series gave you the idea that he writes good just out of curiosity

[slender skiff]

The unfortunate thing is

Sam you misunderstood

[faint crag]

SAO Ainkrad is genuinely great

[silver robin]

oh

yea imo sao would have been great if they just did progressive from the start

[slender skiff]

Res means that he's competent because he knows what sells

Basically

[faint crag]

it goes downhill from there cos he goes out of his way to insert fanservice even if it actively hurts the story

[slender skiff]

The Michael Bay of Japan

[silver robin]

except instead of boom he goes tits

[slender skiff]

Tits and unnecessary sexual scenes yes

[silver robin]

you get what i mean

[faint crag]

No, I mean that's actually a good writer who got too popular for his own good (or for his own stories good)

[slender skiff]

That said
I think Reki and Kazama overall LN sales are almost... Equal actually

[faint crag]

tho it's kinda weird for me to say since I only read his stories tled, not original, obviously

[slender skiff]

SAO has exceeded 26 mil copies worldwide in 2020

Index exceeded 30 mil in 2019

And I'm sure SAO has caught up by now

Considering it sells 100k+ copies for every new volume within the first month in Japan alone

And index LN sales are about

15-20k per vol?

Which is kinda scary honestly

[faint crag]

tho ok, I have my own counterpoint, since Accel World is pretty bad
but it's literally Pandering The Animation The Book, which proves my point that he writes bad cos that's what sells

[slender skiff]

I dropped Accel world far quicker than sao (ln wise)

Even though I preferred Accel world when I was younger (anime wise)

And blimey

[faint crag]

people say that Kirito is power fantasy, but at least he's a functioning human being with own interests, goals and motivations

[slender skiff]

From what I've heard from yama

Accel World gets so convoluted

I'm honestly speechless

[faint crag]

Accel World is literally
"Here's a power fantasy where some fat loser gets the Best Girl Of All Time cos he's good at video games"

lmao

[slender skiff]

It ties in so heavily with sao

It's ridiculous

And no

We still do not know what kuroyukihime's real name is

[faint crag]

I knew that Kirito is the one who made accel tech, does it get even worse?

[slender skiff]

And we're like 20+ volumes in

Simply put

You remember what kind of entity Alice is?

(in sao)

[faint crag]

no, I dropped alicization

[slender skiff]

When

You at least remember Eugeo right

[faint crag]

Pretty early on

Last thing I remember from LN is them getting to some sort of library after fighting Alice

or escaping more like

[slender skiff]

Ah ok so that's midway

LOL

Ok so for short explanation

[faint crag]

put it in spoiler

[slender skiff]

Eugeo and Alice and everyone in that world are called Fluctlights

This isn't really spoilers

At least

That line isn't

[faint crag]

your standards for spoilers are even lower than mine

[slender skiff]

I mean it should have been obvious that that's not earth right

||So the original aim of the whole programme simulation thing to begin with (before it was "save Kirito's live after being stabbed with a drug), was to create this Fluctlights, which are basically a form of AI, and use them to control weapons||

That's the original aim

[silver robin]

yes that sounds about right

[slender skiff]

Basically, instead of an AI programmed from top down like Yui

The goal was more for ||the AI to evolve on its own to act human||

From bottom up

(these are the words Kirito uses himself)

At least the whole top down and bottom up thing

So you can think of them ||as kinds of AI||

[faint crag]

about what I expected yea

[slender skiff]

So the organisation running this thing got infiltrated some time back

[grizzled acorn]

kirito also said "That's right. I'm a beater." and that hit different

[slender skiff]

And because of said infiltration, the ||system was modified so that it actively prevented the Fluctlights from reaching that point of being truly human like||

||Eugeo and Alice are amongst the few exceptions that were able to fight against the system||

||Unfortunately Eugeo dies not long after this confrontation, and so his thing is lost, and this sends Kirito past the event despair horizon and he becomes a vegetable, basically where Alicization went to shitters||

[faint crag]

LMAO

[slender skiff]

There's a reason Kirito AFK memes were a thing

Cos it's literally like he went AFK

[faint crag]

"He's going to die of sadness"
I cri

[slender skiff]

Well it's not as simple as that

While all these drama is going on inside the computer world or w/e

The ship they were on was being invaded

So the complications caused well

The AFK

[faint crag]

nah I just think it was a legit plot point somewhere that I remembered
A char being "too sad to live" so they just died

tho I don't remember where it's from
but it's still funny

[slender skiff]

So the goal of the invaders

Sorry, the Americans

[trim swan]

was to be villians

[slender skiff]

Was to get their hands on this thing

Because basically they wanted in on the idea

Who doesn't want ||weapons that can be controlled by AI||

[faint crag]

I have a feeling all of that supposed to be a thinly veiled metaphor for something, but it's so thin and veiled, that I just cannot decipher it
I guess we'll just never know

[slender skiff]

At some point they find out ||Alice is the ONLY "successful" product||

Both the muricans and the Japanese

So they ||actively infiltrate the world to try to get her out||

Yes it's silly

And that's where asuna and sinon and imouto all came in

[faint crag]

you know, maybe Aincrad was just a fluke and Reki just sucks
I'm having my doubts now

[slender skiff]

And can ignore that

And then some cat fights with Asuna and Alice

We can ignore that too

[trim swan]

SAO ended with S1

[slender skiff]

I'm not shitting they really did have a cat fight

...multiple ones

[silver robin]

don't forget the ordinal scale cameo

[slender skiff]

So bla bla bla ||Kirito at some point unvegetates himself when all is lost||

[faint crag]

as one does

[slender skiff]

And successfully ||manages to get Alice "escape"||

By basically ||allowing her to be extracted from the system by the staff outside||

[faint crag]

Please ||tell me he just downloads her to a flash drive||

[slender skiff]

Uh

Close enough

[silver robin]

||he doesn't himself, but the staff basically do that||

[faint crag]

amazing

[slender skiff]

||And I'm gonna ignore the fact that Asuna and Kirito got stuck in that world||

(the world has sped up time)

[silver robin]

||for technically hundreds of years right||

[slender skiff]

||So they were stuck there for equivalent of 200 years bla bla bla||

[trim swan]

200 years later

[slender skiff]

Also can be ignored

[silver robin]

or was it ||in the thousands|| i forgot

so it was ||hundreds||

[slender skiff]

So while they're uh

Recovering

||Alice has been added to an android body||

Ok I forgot to mention, ||good old kayaba akihiko came back to save the day on the ship||

[silver robin]

this is such an oversimplification of alicization

[slender skiff]

HOW DID HE DO IT, GOD KNOWS

[silver robin]

||man programmed himself onto everything for every scenario||

[slender skiff]

||He came back as a robot and saved the fucking day
Fucking hell he has more plot armour than kirito||

||So basically, Alice ends up in an android body by the end of alicization||
And glossing over the epilogue stuff

So back to Accel World

[trim swan]

Accel World

[slender skiff]

So it should be clear that this whole thing was never made public

But some companies attempted to illegally copy the concept

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

And some were somewhat successful

||Kuroyukihime is actually a Fluctlight in a human body||

@faint crag

[silver robin]

[slender skiff]

I'm serious

[silver robin]

what the fuck is this lore dump

and how did she end up ||in a human body||

instead of ||an android like alice||

[faint crag]

I mean
yea you know what, sure

[slender skiff]

||Human experimentation was obviously illegal||

But it is what it is

They quite literally ||killed the "human soul" and replaced it with a Fluctlight||

Yeah it's

Fucking dark and wack

This is like 20+ volumes in admittedly

And not something I read first hand, but a pretty good summary

They literally like

Copy, pasted and overrode the original

That's the best way to think about it according to the books

Basically, fuck ethics

And you got well

The girl who we still don't know her real name

[trim swan]

that didn't age well

[slender skiff]

It really didn't

And WHAT DO YOU MEAN REKI JUST STARTED A NEW LIGHT NOVEL SERIES

[grizzled acorn]

All this sao talk just to gloss over the best installment of the franchise...

[slender skiff]

I genuinely have not checked out progressive or ggo alt

So I cannot comment on them fairly

Then again ggo alt has an entirely different author

Author for kino no tabi

[grizzled acorn]

progressive is a lot better. I don't like the direction Reki went with some of the arcs in it but that isn't worth getting into if you haven't read it

[slender skiff]

Which is a classic in Japan

I mean

As Res said

Somewhere up there

Aincrad was literally the best part of SAO

[grizzled acorn]

eh

[slender skiff]

And while I personally feel alicization is better

Aincrad is no doubt relatively high quality

And I mean well

[grizzled acorn]

if you mean aincrad in the original anime, not at all. If you mean progressive aincrad, yes because it doesnt fall off as hard as alicization

all my opinion though

[slender skiff]

I mean

If aincrad itself wasn't good enough we would have never seen progressive

And I think a lot of people don't know this but

SAO was originally released as just the aincrad arc for a novel competition

And I mean just the main aincrad arc

No side business with silica lisbeth etc

[grizzled acorn]

yeah, it was rushed to hell because the story had to be concluded to qualify for the competition iirc

[silver robin]

he did but it got axed for selling like shit

[slender skiff]

Wait seriously?

[silver robin]

yea

lemme find it

[slender skiff]

Didn't it just came out a few months

Or was it even a few months

[silver robin]

oh wait nvm

i got confused with a different reki ln

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isolator this one got axed

iirc

[silver robin]

https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/09/04-1/sword-art-online-creator-reki-kawahara-to-launch-new-vrmmo-novel-series-this-november

literally sounds like sao but reskinned

also with k-on character designer tagged in cause why not

first volume of a new genre entry by Kawahara titled Demons' Crest will hit shelves on November 10 in Japan.

so true

[grizzled acorn]

curious

[silver robin]

i am too

but EN translations will take a while

give it like 6 more months

[grizzled acorn]

probably not gonna read it though

reki keeps doing things that I do not like

[slender skiff]

The one thing

I'm happy? About

Is hatamaou's author new LN

Not selling well

Ok less happy
More schadenfreude?

[faint crag]

If I was interested in Reki's new LN, I would simply not have dropped his previous ones

[grizzled acorn]

lol which one

[slender skiff]

The vampire one or sth

[grizzled acorn]

dracula yakin?

[slender skiff]

It's basically hatamaou reskinned

I think so

[grizzled acorn]

i own every volume.

[slender skiff]

It's ratings are like 5/10?

Or something

[grizzled acorn]

this is a lie, it sucks

[slender skiff]

It's not doing well

I firmly believe

Hatamaou was either axed

[grizzled acorn]

that dudes works besides hatamaou are all too unpopular to even have a rating on mal

[slender skiff]

Or the author rushed it

So he could start a new series

[grizzled acorn]

absolutely nobody is reading them

[slender skiff]

Cos the last 3-5 volumes feel so incredibly low in quality

Compared to the other 15 or so

Like they're super rushed or like

Trying to force the story in a certain direction

If the guy had built it up properly

I think no one would have issues with how it ended

That's how I feel about hatamaou

[faint crag]

It could be the best ending ever and someone will still find issue with it, you know this

[slender skiff]

Ok maybe not "no one"

Most people wouldn't find issue with it

Instead I think most people hated it?

Dunno if it's more neutral

Could just be a vocal minority

I know he did receive death threats over it

[grizzled acorn]

simply should have written a better ending

[faint crag]

skill issue

[slender skiff]

I mean that's easier said than done

[grizzled acorn]

I coulda done better

[slender skiff]

I mean frankly

[grizzled acorn]

i say without having read a word of that light novel

[slender skiff]

I think you could

[grizzled acorn]

thanks

[slender skiff]

The last few volumes just felt off

It's like when hayate ended

[faint crag]

I'm looking at recent scores at mal and most completed ones are 7-8s

[slender skiff]

Even I personally would still give it a 7.5?

[grizzled acorn]

as a mal user, i can confidently say that the opinions of other mal users do not matter

[slender skiff]

Everything else was perfectly fine

It's literally only the final arc that just flopped horribly

And I personally judge the whole product

[faint crag]

it does when the question is "did other people like it"

[slender skiff]

It just leaves a sour? Bitter? Taste

[grizzled acorn]

but yeah that, i'm not gonna dock too many points off of an otherwise good manga just because the last bit was bad. thats just my gimmick though

although, most people do that i think? except GoT fans

[faint crag]

GoT fans just ceased to exist after the ending

[grizzled acorn]

nah all my friends are still hounding me to watch it

[faint crag]

as someone put it
"Never in our history there was a piece of media that disappeared from cultural relevance as fast as GoT show did"

[grizzled acorn]

theyre like "nah seasons 1-6 are peak you HAVE TO BRO" and when i say imma just read the books man, ik the show falls off too, they say no. flat-out deny it

[slender skiff]

Like not to rant on it too much

I feel like hatamaou ending went in the complete opposite direction of what the first 15 or so volumes were shifting it to

As this comic/meme so exemplifies beautifully

Wait fuck I need to spoiler the 4th page

There

Like talk about hitting the nail on the head

[ivory mauve]

Fffffffffdjjsjjskdkzkjsjs

[ivory mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/the-devil-is-a-part-timer-sadao-maou-chiho-sasaki-shirou-ashiya-yell-gif-6195697

This is very pleasing

Bro do you even lift

"Isekai de Cheat Skill wo te ni Shita ore wa, Genjitsu Sekai wo mo Musou Suru ~Level Up wa Jinsei wo Kaeta~"

Colgate total

[stable herald]

yooo

shes hot asf

share me onegai

[stable herald]

This manga mann....i love how steadily the pace are for mc's character dev, like this one where he experienced outing with friends.

At the same time author wants him to flex his powers Also not too exaggeratedly

[ivory mauve]

You'll probably regret your decision

That's from the new chapter of "Rosen Garten Saga"
It's been a good minute since it got updated.

[ivory mauve]

Rosen Garten Saga

[thorny nest]

I usually put more importance on the ending, that's why I hated guilty crown so much and felt like wasting the whole time watching it

[ivory mauve]

Did someone say GC:Lost Christmas

[thorny nest]

what the is that?

[silver robin]

the ova

*guilty crown ova

[trim swan]

the only thing i remember from guilty crown is the OP

[silver robin]

so everything that makes me whole ima kimi ni sasage, yoo
im yours

[trim swan]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5HhYHpxwdGTCO5YK7dycoT?si=-ssP_CR8QXGDeMFuGzVAnQ&utm_source=copy-link

[silver robin]

smh my head

use youtube music

[trim swan]

ew

[silver robin]

https://youtu.be/WmZQFfypvhg

[slender skiff]

Oh that's absolutely fair

It's like

What did I waste my life for

It's the ultimate

[thorny nest]

that's why I like the mirai nikki ova

gave the show a much better ending

[trim swan]

mirai nikki has an OVA

[thorny nest]

it's called redial

[slender skiff]

It does lmao

Yeah redial is

Not that it fixed the core issue with the franchise

Literally too much deus ex machina

[thorny nest]

tbf 11 years ago it wasn't that big of a deal

I was more surprised by how episode 4 was aired like that

[trim swan]

[thorn briar]

It started playing in my head

[slender skiff]

Mood

[thorn briar]

I watched guilty crown but i dropped it when ||gai died ||

[slender skiff]

It had a good op at least

Never watched it

I think I did have it on my watch list at some point in like 2017

Clearly forgot about it

At that time I just kept my watch list on a bloody sticky note

[thorn briar]

I didn't used to have a watch list , I just went and made a list of animes that I already watched

[trim swan]

it's good enough to atleast watch

was one of the very first anime i watched

[thorn briar]

I remember someone recommended me to watch death note and I got bored and dropped it

[trim swan]

i can see why you got bored

[thorn briar]

Also , They killed my fave guy so why would I continue

The same thing with naruto , I wanted to watch it in Japanese but when I learned that all my faves died I didn't want to watch

[slender skiff]

Death note drops in quality mid way through yeah

[inner sphinx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/678783001433210900/1039506158752387184/13-n-4.jpg

Aekanaru

[stable herald]

thats the name?

tqvm

[solid nebula]

oooo

[thorn briar]

Getting married in the 4th chapter , also they have same hair colour u would think they are siblings source: Lips On The Tip Of a Knife

[thorny nest]

it was okay'ish but after that and especially the ending was just

I started the "i got strong by leveling up my farming skills" anime

the first scene is just

[thorn briar]

I think I saw like 4 episodes after gai died but felt like I can't continue

Spoil me what happened at the end

[trim swan]

||doesn't the mc becomes OP or something||

||and decides on a dictatorship||

[thorn briar]

[trim swan]

been too long since i watched, can't remember

[thorn briar]

I think I start watching it like 4 or 5 years ago

[thorny nest]

|| mc forces inori to kill people against her will iirc and in the last 2 episodes she sacrifices herself for the mc. in the epilogue of the final episode: mc becomes blind and inori "lives" inside his mind or something||

also @thorn briar

[trim swan]

yeah that's what happened

[thorn briar]

[thorny nest]

indeed

[thorn briar]

||sacrificing herself for that garbage guy ||

[thorny nest]

ikr

[thorn briar]

[stable herald]

dude do be garbage

blessed with power and become stalin

dude a capitalist

[boreal oyster]

s-such pornographic act

[thorny nest]

she died?!

[thorn briar]

[stable herald]

WAIT WHAT

MIKE U-

[stable herald]

mentally

Oh also, just a fact. But the artist made a for this one

its the action after this chapter i think, and yes its canon

[stable herald]

@slender skiff Hot asf

[trim swan]

mommy goddess vampire

[stable herald]

i forgot that shes a heterochromia

[trim swan]

is rimuru stronger than luminous at this point in manga

[slender skiff]

Not quite mommy

But yes

[slender skiff]

God I love her

[slender skiff]

In manga? Hard to say

I think luminous might have holy magic?

I forgot

If she did that would already shred rimuru

[echo quiver]

[chainsaw man last week episode spoilers] yknow, im a little concerned that he does this in the intro now

[chainsaw man this week spoilers] I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING

[silver robin]

i am the bone of my sword

[echo quiver]

that's what i said when i watched eminence in shadow

[ivory mauve]

I AM

[echo quiver]

yeah, that scene

you can tell which ones are manga readers and which ones are anime only

[ivory mauve]

I was hoping for the crazy smile but this was alright

[echo quiver]

i like the way he whispered it. cool > crazy

[ivory mauve]

His nihonglish

[thorn briar]

I watched csm new episode and wtf was happening at the beginning

[ivory mauve]

https://youtu.be/O5fk80I3orw

This reboot was alright

[silver robin]

sawano

my favorite songs are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8PArsf68M and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-jWJ79p8D8 from that though

[unkempt briar]

Seeing sawano with lotgh feels weird

[silver robin]

i haven't seen the show, i only know songs cause sawano

[unkempt briar]

I’m too used to lotgh with classical music

https://youtu.be/GwTn5CKubN8

Still peak lotgh soundtrack

[ivory mauve]

Pretty awesome all around

[thorn briar]

His eyes , source: I Thought I Didn’t Have Long To Live!

[ivory mauve]

They say the eyes are windows to the soul

[thorn briar]

[ivory mauve]

"There's No Such Thing as a Villainess Route? Not in My Book!"

[pallid osprey]

Watch Chainsaw man

@slender skiff

[slender skiff]

When it's done airing

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

You said you would finish FMAB on the 22nd of October

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

It's already the 8th of November

It's been almost 3 weeks

Have you even started

Ok

Let's put it this way

[pallid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[slender skiff]

I won't touch chainsawman till you finish these 3

[ivory mauve]

[pallid osprey]

Mean the first 2 is reasonable

But

Clannad

Nah

[slender skiff]

Nope

Then I'll never touch csm

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

Which is perfectly fine with me

[pallid osprey]

Do you remember what I tell you to watxh before csm?

All the remake of Evangelion

[slender skiff]

Ok then we'll add that to the list

Finish those 3, and I'll watch csm and eva

[pallid osprey]

Deal

You will regret this

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

Let it be known
If yami finishes these 3 anime by the end of this year, I will watch csm and eva

Edit: He failed

[slender skiff]

[grizzled acorn]

Finishing all of Fate is more reasonable than 50 episodes?

[slender skiff]

I think he's already finished UBW and Zero

[thorn briar]

Can't wait for yami to watch them

[slender skiff]

So it's just 3 HF movies, 64 eps of FMAB and 48 eps of Clannad

[grizzled acorn]

No no no

Ender, all of it

[slender skiff]

I imagine the last one will be the most problematic

Even I haven't watched all of it

[grizzled acorn]

Wdym yami doesnt have to watch the cooking show?

[slender skiff]

[grizzled acorn]

Yes he does

[slender skiff]

I haven't finished knk

[grizzled acorn]

Thats technically not Fate, but please finish it

Knk goes hard i wanna rewatch it all

[thorn briar]

Kara no kyoukai

If it is then I watched all the movies

They were great

[slender skiff]

And now mny is coming out

[grizzled acorn]

So hyped

[thorn briar]

What is mny

[grizzled acorn]

Mahoutsukai no yoru

[thorn briar]

[grizzled acorn]

Its the one with Aoko and Touko. I think of it as the prequel to knk and tsukihime

It was Nasu's first work as well

[thorn briar]

[thorn briar]

Not me reading this as mahouka

Autocorrect wtf

[ivory mauve]

Is this? A FATE character?

[thorn briar]

No

[ivory mauve]

Don't lie

[thorn briar]

I'm not

[ivory mauve]

And here i thought i didn't have long to live

[slender skiff]

Fate characters would never look like that

Ok well

I guess that could pass as Holmes

[ivory mauve]

[last quiver]

you can do it yami

[silver robin]

Ender i dropped clannad does this mean you hate me too

[echo quiver]

sam will never understand dango

i mean, neither will i, since i haven't even started clannad

[thorn briar]

I didn't watch clannad too

[unkempt briar]

Clannad is a slog to get through until after story

[grizzled acorn]

I finished og clannad and decided not to go on to after story because i hated almost every character

But thats life

[last quiver]

I don't think clannad season 1 was that bad

[grizzled acorn]

Besides akio and okazaki, almost every character annoyed me. Given, i actively don't like moe or childish characters. so its all just subjective as to why i didnt like it

[slender skiff]

I hate people who break their promises

I mean that's why I'm willing to make this bet

Yami will almost certainly not get through clannad

It's not his kinda show

There was this anituber

From sometime back

Misty Chronexia or something

He's from the same sort of group as like TheAnimeMan, Aki and LostPause

[last quiver]

[slender skiff]

I still remember

[last quiver]

The memories

[slender skiff]

He had quite the hatred of clannad s1

[last quiver]

Lost pause when he was still funny

[slender skiff]

Lost cause more like

[last quiver]

He started becoming cringe but like all YouTubers i guess

[grizzled acorn]

i was expecting you to say "then he watched after story and he now loves clannad", just give the man a redemption arc

but no, the story ends at "he hated season 1"

[slender skiff]

Sorry was doing something

He praises the shit out of s2/afterstory

[grizzled acorn]

there it is

[slender skiff]

He rates clannad afterstory as like one of the best romance anime ever

But at the same time

Bashes hard on s1 (like he seriously gives it a 0/10 multiple times)

[grizzled acorn]

it was bad, but not that bad

0/10 is like, exarm.

[last quiver]

I mean i get it i had somenthing like that but not with clannad

It was megalo box

[grizzled acorn]

literally me with re zero

[last quiver]

Understandable, re:zero was good until the idea was fresh

And isekais weren't oversaturated

[slender skiff]

I mean it's obviously an exaggeration

But as someone who read the VN

I actually do agree that Clannad S1 has so many issues

Clannad S1... Has the same pacing as the VN

[grizzled acorn]

clannad s1 is a 3/10 for me, sorry clannad fans

[slender skiff]

For the 3 routes it does adapt

And as anyone who's seen a proper VN to Anime adaptation

(re: steins gate)

You can't just

FULLY adapt an arc

And expect it to work

It just doesn't

You will need to cut bits here and there

Clannad S1's biggest issue is that it's slow as molasses

[last quiver]

I'm biased on steins;gate, it's my favourite anime

[grizzled acorn]

same, based opinion

🤝

[last quiver]

[slender skiff]

I mean

As long as you aren't Aru or whatever his name was

That literally parades around steins gate as the next coming of some God or something

And shits on everything else

That's fine

[grizzled acorn]

im inclined to agree with aru

hes right.

its the newer testament

[slender skiff]

I mean

You don't shit on everything else

[grizzled acorn]

iirc though, aru also quite liked code geass and evangelion

[slender skiff]

Yeah literally just those 3

He's stubborn really

[grizzled acorn]

if only he accepted fate zero as his lord and savior

he coulda been saved

[slender skiff]

Yorokobe

But yes

Clannad S1 is so slow

I felt the same when I first saw it

I'm like

HOW IS THIS STILL GOING???

[grizzled acorn]

did after story not have the same pacing issues?

[slender skiff]

Zilch

None of it

[grizzled acorn]

the answer to that question is filler episodes. im convinced s1 was 50% filler. you couldnt pay me to think otherwise

[slender skiff]

Clannad S1 feels like

It's just a giant prologue

If it was only filler that's fine

It's more of

Even during the important moments

It's dragged out so much

[grizzled acorn]

really shoulda been 12-13 episodes

[slender skiff]

Aye

Or at most

16 ish

No more

I distinctly remember

There's this one part during kotomi's arc

Where it's like

How long are we gonna stand in front of the fucking house for

Go inside already dear god

[grizzled acorn]

they pretty much showed the entire gardening process. normally youd time skip that, not clannad.

[slender skiff]

It's as bad as a shounen battle anime stretching out a 10-15 minute fight into like

4 episodes

[grizzled acorn]

ok but at least theyre fighting and not standing outside someone's house

but thats my shounen monkey brain talking

[slender skiff]

No no nights

If it was 4 episode of fighting that's fine

Half of it is flashbacks

Or other characters talking

[grizzled acorn]

as a one piece fan, ive been there

[thorny nest]

my most liked char this season is tania

[slender skiff]

Or literally ANYTHING else

[grizzled acorn]

the luffy vs katakuri fight was like 50 episodes

lemme check actually

ok its like unironically 21

ish

[slender skiff]

Mood

[thorny nest]

[grizzled acorn]

the evil one?

[thorny nest]

she aint evil at all

in fact she's quite cute

[ivory mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/236957822833655808/1039279616453525664/d373b0b3dbdf2b8edf9db895bfe3169d1169b6ff46842c98d4c96d0048f0b36a_1.mp4

[grizzled acorn]

im most certainly thinking about Youjo Senki

[thorny nest]

probably

but I think that girl was called tanya no?

[slender skiff]

It's Tanya in that case yes

[grizzled acorn]

idk i didnt watch it

[slender skiff]

Tania is a cute

That said so is kanade

[thorny nest]

true

[ivory mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/tanya-the-evil-tanya-degurechaff-youjo-senki-isekai-quartet-gif-24933540

[pallid osprey]

I mean Clannad vs Eva is a good trade to me

Right baka @thorn briar

[thorny nest]

[thorn briar]

I didn't watch both so i dont know what do u mean

Yami baka

[slender skiff]

Lmao

[pallid osprey]

You aint watch Eva yet?

Shame

[thorn briar]

No

[slender skiff]

I think the expert on youjo senki would probably be restart

[thorn briar]

I will not even watch it

[pallid osprey]

Im pretty sure Eva story > Clannad

[slender skiff]

I

[thorn briar]

Fate over both

[slender skiff]

Wouldn't be so quick to say that actually

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

I know Eva's story somewhat

[pallid osprey]

No you dont

[slender skiff]

And I can safely say Eva has many of its own issues lol

[thorn briar]

I only know the opening of eva

[silver robin]

I only watched ep 1 of eva

[pallid osprey]

Imagine I finish Clannad and Ender drops Eva

[slender skiff]

Highly doubt

[pallid osprey]

[thorn briar]

Yami , u didn't even start FMAB yet

How would u finish clannad

[slender skiff]

Eva's issue is kinda the same cause

Poor production decisions

[pallid osprey]

Eva is meaningful than you think it is

[slender skiff]

Oh definitely not clannad tier

I can assure you that much

[pallid osprey]

Beside the arc main char jerking off

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

It may be more meaningful than I think it is

But clannad afterstory in particular is on a much higher level

[slender skiff]

Restart read the novel for youjo senki iirc

[thorn briar]

I remember they have a character called shinji in eva

[slender skiff]

That's literally the main character

[thorn briar]

[slender skiff]

Frankly

I'd sooner watch gundam seed than Eva

[silver robin]

Both the main girls are also named after ships

[slender skiff]

Cos gundam seed actually holds a place in my childhood

Eva does not

[silver robin]

Gundam seed

[slender skiff]

Yeah we're talking about that old yes

[silver robin]

I always miss it in amq cause my friends are Gundam heads but I'm not

[slender skiff]

I'm not either

[thorn briar]

His name reminded me of shinji in fate

[slender skiff]

It's just like how I have friends that are kamen rider heads

(and quite a handful)

But I've only watched one kamen rider series properly

I probably will just check one and bail lmao

I'm just... Not really crazy about mechas

[grizzled acorn]

i think both evangelion and clannad season 1 are bad but when just talking about s1 of clannad, eva is better

[slender skiff]

Which is why I never really touched gridman or dynazeon or franxx

[grizzled acorn]

thats my humble opinion though

[slender skiff]

The first 2 are just not the same quality

And the last one is just

[thorn briar]

I watched one gundam anime and i really liked it

[slender skiff]

Divisive

Franxx is the definition of a divisive anime

Then again

Most trigger animes are divisive

[thorn briar]

This one

[grizzled acorn]

studio trigger makes shit look good but... god damn can they not tell a story

[silver robin]

lol

so true

[silver robin]

I know this one cause the opening has mech noises in it

[grizzled acorn]

their work falls flat for me. every time. im watching gurren lagann right now and I just think its kinda mid. im not even at the part of the show where it falls off

[slender skiff]

Uh

Gurren lagann is not trigger

That's gainax

[grizzled acorn]

was it not?

[slender skiff]

Which is same as eva

[grizzled acorn]

ive been told that gainax and trigger were the same thing

[thorn briar]

I watched it on tv and it was in arabic dubs the opening was really great

[slender skiff]

Sort of?

[thorn briar]

I still remember the opening

[slender skiff]

They do share a lot of the same staff

[grizzled acorn]

yeah, thats what it was

[silver robin]

Trigger happened when gainax went bankrupt

[grizzled acorn]

whatever gainax cant tell a story either.

[slender skiff]

^

[silver robin]

So former execs started a new company

[slender skiff]

Trigger can tell stories

[silver robin]

which was trigger

[slender skiff]

They definitely can

It's just that most are very hit or miss

[silver robin]

That's like most studios

[slender skiff]

Not really

Trigger is infamous for this

It's either you like them or hate them

There's like no in between

[grizzled acorn]

trigger at the second to last episode before realizing there arent any evil aliens in it

little witch academia was good though, actually

[slender skiff]

Like

If you wanna talk about good trigger anime

One is yes, little witch academia

Another is kill la kill

Those are generally accepted as good

[grizzled acorn]

Promare was good

well, good as in awesome. it kinda failed at the whole storytelling part but it was awesome

[slender skiff]

Kiznaiver and Franxx are good examples of

Hit or miss

I abhor kiznaiver

It's one of the few anime I actively dislike

[grizzled acorn]

you're gonna be adding another anime to that list if Yami pulls through and watches Clannad

[slender skiff]

I don't think I'll dislike Eva

[grizzled acorn]

yeah probably not an active dislike. my prediction is youre just not gonna care much about it either way. i could be wrong though, im just going for a crazy prediction thatll make me look awesome in 2 years

[slender skiff]

It's probably a not care ye

Like

Anything from black cat and below are stuff I didn't rate cos I really can't remember them

Well if you include dropped anime

[grizzled acorn]

youre rather forgiving

[slender skiff]

Yeah I'm quite forgiving

Like I feel I can't rate a product if I don't give it a fair chance

[grizzled acorn]

ive rated like ~30 shows below a 5

i tend to stand my ground and finish them even if they suck. so i do not feel bad

[slender skiff]

It's less it's bad and more

It's not my cuppa tea

Osamake was weird

I did read the first 2 LN volumes

Before the anime

And I was like

You know I always thought stuff like haganai was a stretch

Somehow I felt that osamake is an even more ridiculous stretch

[grizzled acorn]

idk what haganai is but ill go along with it

idk my romcom lore

[slender skiff]

Haganai is

I actually forgot the English name

Wtf

[silver robin]

Boku wa tomodachi ga sukunai or something

idk

[slender skiff]

Yeah I remember the Japanese name

And that's mostly correct

[silver robin]

Just link the mal

[slender skiff]

https://anilist.co/anime/10719/Boku-wa-Tomodachi-ga-Sukunai/

I didn't really enjoy the anime

And this has apparently one of the most trash tier LN endings of all time

Down there with domekano

[silver robin]

Yea

That's what i heard too

The mc ||unironically friend zoned everyone|| iirc

[slender skiff]

In haganai? That's the end end result yes

But how he got to that end is nothing short of legendary

[slender skiff]

https://youtu.be/ErTEqW1_25c

Oh wait domekano is a manga

So uh

Trash tier endings in general I suppose

[grizzled acorn]

Thats kind of genius

[slender skiff]

To be fair

If that's all it was it would be fine

But no it wasn't

The 4 people involved

||Friendzoned each other||

That's the simplest way of understanding it

[grizzled acorn]

Based if the author did it to troll his readers

[slender skiff]

The slightly longer summary is

||Guy A likes girl A. Girl A friendzones him
Girl B likes guy A. He leads her on for some time, then friendzones her.
Girl C also likes guy A. I think she's never even given a clear answer
At the end of the day they go their separate ways, and then they all meet up some time later as "friends" cos that's what the bloody anime was supposed to be about||

[pallid osprey]

[slender skiff]

Something like that

I can't remember the exact details

[faint crag]

I genuinely think you're the only one I heard that take from
Most of their "big" work is actually really safe like Luluco, LWA, BNA, and Edgerunners
The only real outliers are
KLK which is just normal Imaishi
Kiznaiver which is just normal Mari Okada (who isn't "part" of Trigger)
and stuff that isn't that well known like Inferno Cop and Ninja Slayer From Animation

Even DarliFra is absolutely "normal" until the story just goes to shit closer to end which isn't any trigger-special

[slender skiff]

Ok fair
Maybe it's more of me being outdated

Those are all newer trigger animes

[faint crag]

Trigger don't have anything before this lol

KLK is their first work

[slender skiff]

I mean the "big anime" list

Fairly sure those are all last 3 years

[faint crag]

Luluco is their 3rd

[pallid osprey]

Is that mal?

Smh res

[faint crag]

that's wikipedia

[slender skiff]

Yami have you like

Never used Wikipedia

[faint crag]

tho ok, it's not fair calling Luluco "big"
but you get my point

[slender skiff]

Which is impressive in its own right

Tbh Res

I've heard of inferno cop, but not luluco or bna

[faint crag]

Well Inferno Cop is "widely popular is small circles" as they say, so it's fair I guess

[slender skiff]

Weird isn't it

[grizzled acorn]

"is that MAL"

absolute, unprecedented genius

on a side-note, my friend that is a big trigger fan agrees with the take that theyre hit-or-miss, and also botch a lot of endings. thats their trademark gimmick

he said it about cyberpunk, ditf, bna, and even kill la kill which is one of his favorite shows. luluco doesnt count its nonsense from start to finish

[faint crag]

I agree about the endings somewhat, but not the stories
Their general style and direction can be hit-or-miss but most of their stories are really safe

[grizzled acorn]

the stories itself, yeah theyre fine. they just need to stick the damn landing. once would be fine

[slender skiff]

Superhero landing!

[faint crag]

and I didn't have any issue with KLK ending really
now its mid section on the other hand is absolutely fucking awful...

[echo quiver]

kill la kill ending

[slender skiff]

Don't lose your way indeed

[echo quiver]

||you cant hurt me like this||

[slender skiff]

And now

I thought I was done with senketsu

Then he appears in genshin