technology

[subtle hawk]

our country had the benefit of having the infrastructure in the works when they decided to switch to a fiber backbone

so they ran it all underground

[bleak owl]

which country?

[subtle hawk]

and now we have a 95.5% coverage

[bleak owl]

AAAMERICCCA FUK YEA?

that country?

[gloomy tinsel]

Lol imagine the USA having good coverage

[subtle hawk]

america is also struggling with their fiber runs

[bleak owl]

which country then

[subtle hawk]

moldova

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

the 2nd best country when it comes to internet speed and availability

[bleak owl]

nice food

[gloomy tinsel]

I'm in the USA and lol coverage here

[subtle hawk]

we're beaten by korea

[gloomy tinsel]

Singapore's also very up there

[subtle hawk]

still

korea is the only one giving gigabit as a minimum

[gloomy tinsel]

Gigabit availability here in the US is not guaranteed in the slightest

[subtle hawk]

there it's normal

I mean here it's also freely available

but not many buy it

[gloomy tinsel]

Also, it's probably not surprising that effective speeds here very rarely reach the advertised speeds

Usually they come up significantly short

[subtle hawk]

mine are exactly as advertised

any less and I can bonk them

[unkempt oxide]

good that you dont live in germany the internet here is as fast as it was 50 years before

[gloomy tinsel]

Here you pay for 100 megs and get like... 60? 70? And that's considered normal here LOL

[subtle hawk]

I pay for 10+1Gbits

with a extra IPv4 and one IPv6 address

[gloomy tinsel]

Some people here are still on like 10 meg plans, it's baaaaad here

Like really baaaaad

[subtle hawk]

and even then

I capped my pc to suck only 200Mbits

and it's plain obvious when running speedtests

cause the needle is pegged at exacly 200

[gloomy tinsel]

nice

[bleak owl]

[gloomy tinsel]

I'm getting about 60 down here right now, that's a bad day for me

Normal days it's 70, on really good days it's 80-90

[bleak owl]

That's higher than mine

[gloomy tinsel]

Your speed is already considered decent here in the US, hahaha

A lot of people can't even manage more than 20 down

Our internet infrastructure is a mess

and ISPs charge too much for too little

[subtle hawk]

stable af

even doe the AP is in the other corner of the house

also made update to android 10

p lit

the new algo for the biometric sensors is sooooo much faster

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel

[gloomy tinsel]

@subtle hawk

:3

[severe falcon]

man i wish i could bonk my ISP like yama

pays for 150 mbps
gets 15

on a good day

[severe falcon]

nono, yama has a stable 10 Gbps, the 200 mbps is him limiting the computer

[obtuse dawn]

Yay... yeeted all six of the builds I can do at present and the first two times are not promising at all

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

yeah if u had actual 200Mbits it would fluctuate

but when it's artificiality limited you can see a clear cut line there

[sand spruce]

wanted some "information"

[valid acorn]

about a new rig

[sand spruce]

Assuming you have a budget of $900, what is the best PC you can buy in your own preference? The PC must have a CPU, Mobo, RAM, SSD, HDD, Discrete GPU, PSU and a Case. All others can be optional but still need to be within the budget. Try include prices per part .

[gloomy tinsel]

Depends on what the PC will be used for

And if games, then which games, at what resolution and framerate? Quality settings, too

[sand spruce]

a balance mostly, well at least 1080p

[gloomy tinsel]

If I bought it to my own preference, it would look kinda weird. I will choose parts that are more reasonable

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6y6Dx

I didn't choose any HDD. It's just my opinion, but I think that at this budget, you should just spend the extra for a big SSD (that has high endurance, so none of that QLC crap). And don't worry about the compatibility, because you can update the BIOS on the MSI Tomahawk without a CPU.

Feedback from other #technology folk is appreciated, there could be things I missed.

@sand spruce

[sand spruce]

ill check it out

thx

[gloomy tinsel]

:3

[subtle hawk]

I would use a better vendor for RAM

[gloomy tinsel]

Sure, could spend a little more to get some Corsair Vengeance LPX or somesuch

[bleak owl]

I think instead of the 3600 get the 2600 and with the saved money to get 1660ti

[gloomy tinsel]

1660 Super and 1660 Ti have almost the same performance, so no point going to the Ti imo

[bleak owl]

Same for 2600 and 3600

[gloomy tinsel]

3600 is actually significantly faster than 2600

[bleak owl]

Ok

[gloomy tinsel]

The average FPS won't increase drastically with a 3600 vs a 2600, but the 1% lows and 0.1% lows will

So the experience will be a good deal smoother

[gloomy tinsel]

Tbh

And this is just my opinion, but I would rather have a steady 60 FPS, than 120 FPS that had 1% framedrops to 30 FPS

[subtle hawk]

60 fps pleb

[bleak owl]

60 fps is for boomer

[vagrant holly]

isn't an m.2 eating up a bit too much budget in that build?

[valid acorn]

Well, it is but not that much

[gloomy tinsel]

M.2 is just a form factor, there are both SATA and NVMe drives for it

There are SATA M.2 drives, like the MX500, which are much cheaper while still being of high quality. Could use one of those instead.

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel

[gloomy tinsel]

@subtle hawk

Given that NVMe is gradually becoming standard, it is hard to say whether SATA will be enough in the future. The PS5 will likely be using NVMe, for example.

[bleak owl]

im using nvme too

they are so cheap rn

[olive axle]

The speed of m.2 NVME is much greater then m.2 SATA.

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes

[bleak owl]

For transferring file yes

[stone wave]

Yeah I'd say something along the lines of an R5 3600 and a 1660 of some sort.

Could probably go with a more basic NVME drive like the Intel 660p

Put the difference towards an x570 board and not worry about flashing the BIOS

Maybe hold out for B550

[stone granite]

if you haven't already paid for it I don't recommend nvme

it's called nvmeme for a reason

which is to say that its advantages over an m.2 SATA drive are in sustained read/write over a longer period of time

and the likelihood of you needing to transfer at 50 gb/s for longer than a second at a time is very low

[stone wave]

a 1TB m.2 SSD is like $99.99 and a more basic 1TB NVME SSD is like $110

[stone granite]

if you've already got one it's fine but I wouldn't advise anyone to go and buy one if they're paying a premium for it

if you think better sustained speeds is worth the 20$ then you do you

but it's a pretty pointless upgrade imo

kinda like turbocharging a car that'll only ever be used on city streets

[stone wave]

it's great if you do 2k or 4k video editing and want quick scrubbing

[stone granite]

and do you need to scrub 2k+ videos?

[stone wave]

I'm giving an example

I got a 1 TB Samsung SM961 NVME (it's Polaris based and between a 960 Pro and 970 Pro)

The reason why I got that one is for MLC

[stone granite]

I didn't say that it's useless

[stone wave]

flash memory

[stone granite]

just that I wouldn't recommend it to the average person

(as the average person doesn't edit 4k videos)

[stone wave]

the price difference is $10

if we're talking basic QLC DRAM-less drives

[stone granite]

I'm surprised that the price is the same between nvme and sata with both drives having the same cell type

[stone wave]

IMO it's more of a might as well, to me.

But yeah, as far as the average consumer is concerned, 7 second cold startup vs 11 seconds or whatever is inconsequential.

[stone granite]

it's more like half a second difference between the two

[stone wave]

I only got mine cause I decided to get MLC flash memory for better read/write endurance.

[stone granite]

like such a small difference in boot time that you'd need a stopwatch to tell the difference

[bleak owl]

[foggy fiber]

[subtle hawk]

don't listen to @stone granite he's spouting nonsense, NVMe drives are marginally more expensive while providing way better access times and throughput as well as higher sustained I/O speeds not to mention a lot more energy efficient

[bleak owl]

For transferring file nvme is better

For other stuff is like the same

[subtle hawk]

it's overall better than SATA

[bleak owl]

As sata

[subtle hawk]

for like 10-20$ it's not worth to gimp yourself

[bleak owl]

Yep

[stone wave]

I got this: https://www.newegg.com/samsung-sm961-1tb/p/0D9-0009-001T0

$60 more than your basic NVME and ~$75 more than your basic SATA M.2, but for 1 TB of MLC storage it's a steal. No SLC cache so it has more steady read/write and MLC has a higher read/write endurance than TLC drives or QLC.

It's a matter of how much throughput and read/write endurance you want (and whether or not you can justify the cost) and where you want to penny pinch but the $10-20 to go from a SATA based drive to NVME is rather straight forward.

Though if anyone is eyeing the SM961 I'd go for the PM981 instead since that's newer.

[gloomy tinsel]

Waaaaayland

[bleak owl]

[unkempt oxide]

mhh placing Objects via script allways looks so clean

[weak lintel]

guys, cuz Im using my 1 TB HDD first. then If I want to add more memory, just Buy another 1 TB HDD or SSD?

damn, gonna upgrade my pc totally cuz of college needs

[valid acorn]

Do you want to upgrade your RAM or storage?

[weak lintel]

both tho

already have 8GB DDR4-2400

but the HDD

[valid acorn]

Why not upgrade into an SSD

8GB RAM is still ok, unless you want to upgrade to 16GB

[weak lintel]

hmmm

I have so many list to be upgraded

F college

[valid acorn]

Think of a budget

[weak lintel]

im still doing some searchin of budget now

VGA
another 8GB ram
Change my PSU
HDD/SSD

gonna skip buying ALC then

[valid acorn]

VGA?

[weak lintel]

im still using onboard vega 8

cuz ryzen

between RX 570 or GTX 1650

[gloomy tinsel]

570 usually cheaper

especially if you find it used on eBay or something

[valid acorn]

Fact: you dont need to worry about the memory that much when you buy an SSD

[weak lintel]

also SSD prices kinda dropped from few last year If I remembered

[valid acorn]

Yeah, SATA SSD has gone cheap

[weak lintel]

hmm, so 8gb ram is enough for a moment

atleast ssd

rx 570 + any 550W +80 PSU

[stone wave]

If you know how to shuck an external drive and tape a 3v pin on a SATA connector you can get a 10TB white label WD drive for $160 off of Best Buy rn.

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh yeah, shucking can get you drives for quite a bit cheaper

Drawbacks include not being guaranteed a specific model, and maybe warranty stuff

[weak lintel]

[stone wave]

The platter density means there's not much difference between a 5200 RPM and a 7200 RPM drive for a single user, but... without drive parity you risk looking several TB of data should the drive ever die on you.

[subtle hawk]

I just have a contact at Seagate that can supply me drives for cheap for my NAS

[stone wave]

Yeah the only cheap Seagate drives I'd get are SMR (not that I'd ever get those)

Unless I pony up for some Ironwolf drives

[subtle hawk]

WD > Seagate

[bleak owl]

If u have intel u can use optane

I have wd and seagate hdd

[wooden geyser]

Hey guys need some help

Trying to find a gaming laptop that is cheap

Something under 2k dollars

Or in the philippines under 85k pesos

[subtle hawk]

<$2k
cheap

there's $1k gaming laptop with 1060M

[subtle hawk]

@wooden geyser what are you looking for in terms of games, resolution, refresh rate and quality settings

[wooden geyser]

@subtle hawk something for streaming on twitch or something

Especially when it comes for video editing and can play triple A games above 60 fps

[subtle hawk]

well then 2k won't be enough

[wooden geyser]

My choices are predator's helios 300, lenovo's legion or strix G

[subtle hawk]

you might want to look into a very compact pc

the helios is lackluster and not a good value

[wooden geyser]

I mean from the classmates i've talked who are good at technology and shit they've recommended me the zephyrus G or the helios 300

[subtle hawk]

then they're not good at technology

[wooden geyser]

Idk

I need a laptop that not only can game but for schoolwork and for video editing as well

But the choices nowadays can be often damn hard

[subtle hawk]

any 500$ toaster can video edit

as for school work literally any laptop is good

[wooden geyser]

I mean my 2 core pc crashes any video editing software i throw at it (except for Windows MM and filmora)

[subtle hawk]

well do you need it to be laptop?

with 2k$ you can build a baller pc

and with some spare cash

get a cheap laptop

[wooden geyser]

Depends

I've originally planned for a ryzen 5, rtx 2060 pc

[subtle hawk]

and that's like 1000 to 1500$

[wooden geyser]

But since school is a more top priority i set that aside for a bit

[subtle hawk]

trust me

school can be done on any laptop that can run windows

you don't need a beast laptop to do school

with 2000$ I would set aside 500-700$ for the school laptop and use the rest for gaming pc

and you would get way better performance from that

and won't have to carry a 30 kg monster on your back all day

I'm now in uni and I can say for sure, a laptop that can do what I need and is light is way better than having a gaming brick in my bag

[valid acorn]

Thats a huge wishlist

[subtle hawk]

not really

with his budget it's more than doable

[subtle hawk]

this

now that I have my pc I could finally go lower on my laptop now if I need one

I too hate carrying a gaming brick everywhere

[gloomy tinsel]

Agree. If you have space, then build a desktop and get a cheap laptop

[tame topaz]

News flash: 5500 XT sucks.

Especially because of the price.

[gloomy tinsel]

The price makes it DoA. Hopefully it comes down

[tame topaz]

Yeah. Only thing going for it is the VRAM, but that's it.

Bad price.

[subtle hawk]

just get 1660ti

[gloomy tinsel]

Inb4 AMD is doing a galaxy brain and intentionally announcing it way above what they actually plan to sell it for

[tame topaz]

Or 1650 which ended up being good value for money lmao (if we discount the 580)

That kinda galaxy brain would be nuts lol

[gloomy tinsel]

Well if it's galaxy brain, it definitely got us talking about it LOL

[tame topaz]

Yep

[gloomy tinsel]

There's one 5500 XT I can find at a good price, actually. The ASRock Challenger, at $170 it's decent

It may be better to grab a used 580 tho

[subtle hawk]

I have dongles, pens, mechanical pencil, drawing tablet, notebook and a clipboard along with a mouse and the surface pro or the macbook with their charger just in case

oh and the 20000mAh power bank

[unkempt oxide]

Case for what? the apocalypse ?

[subtle hawk]

in case I forget to charge them

or need to stay the whole day at uni

usually at labs need the charger since compiling shit on them nukes the battery

[unkempt oxide]

I dont like working at my uni but the wlan is so good there. I do most of my work at home on my gaming pc. The best thing on uni is you dont need to even go to the lectures ... not like school wete they get mad if you are 1 min to late

[subtle hawk]

ye

still need to attend labs

[tame topaz]

Galaxy A51 is out first in my country, that's quite something.

The front is absolutely gorgeous, but they just had to copy the iphone 11's stove

[unkempt oxide]

But the biggest balls some at my uni had when he went to the prof and said the pc arent good enought for gaming ... guess we get new pcs next semester

[bleak owl]

I just wanna say 1 thing

[subtle hawk]

portable gaming computer

actually someone should make it in that form factor

corsair did

their corsair one

MSI too

Trident SFF pc’s

[valid acorn]

I'm sure this is just ROG things

[subtle hawk]

What’s 6,199 SR in USD

[valid acorn]

Approximately $1.6k

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

$1.6k??

i know gaming laptops are usually a ripoff but

who in their right mind would actually buy this

if you have $1.6k to spend, you can build a much better rig for just 1k and then probably save the $600 or buy a slightly inferior but still capable of gaming laptop at that rate

[flint bobcat]

they are for portability anyway

unless you want to bring your chasis and monitor to everwhere u go

[stone wave]

Could go the Thunderbolt 3 / eGPU route

[gloomy tinsel]

There's an ASUS TUF Gaming laptop that's like $600 or something

[stone wave]

Gaming laptops are too much of a crapshoot for me to justify over $1000 for one.

Too many potential points of failure.

[gloomy tinsel]

I, too, went the non-gaming laptop + gaming-capable desktop route

[stone wave]

I use a ThinkPad T450s, can't game for shit but it's FHD, 8GB of RAM, i5-5300 CPU, supports a tiny ass m.2 and or a 2.5" drive and they go for like $200 used.

Soldered on CPU but who cares since it's dirt fucking cheap, just pay another $50 for an i7 for whatever reason if you want.

[gloomy tinsel]

I have a Ryzen 7 lappy

[bleak owl]

Well I don't play outside and I'm not comfy playing with laptop

And gaming laptop are Hella heavy

And the screen is small

Changed my mind

Well I have laptop with i7 4710hq 16gb ddr3 and gt 840m and I throw away the super slow hdd and installed a 120gb ssd

Is still alive after 5 year

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel

@stone wave

[gloomy tinsel]

@subtle hawk :3

[bleak owl]

Thats gay

[valid acorn]

Is it just me or ROG prices are absurd

[gloomy tinsel]

Did you mean: GAMING GEAR prices are absurd?

[valid acorn]

[vagrant holly]

don't bother with ROG products

ROG is just asus' excuse to charge more

[subtle hawk]

buy american

buy corsair

[bleak owl]

Corsair is shit as rog

[subtle hawk]

@subtle hawk @subtle hawk no I meant those 80s portable computer

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

imagine mATX tower case with a monitor on a front behind a keyboard door

[bleak owl]

U mean

A all in one

[flint bobcat]

Who needs all these brands anyway, just get a thin client

[bleak owl]

[valid acorn]

[bleak owl]

To play wut

Fallout 76?

[subtle hawk]

lewd

[gloomy tinsel]

@unborn flicker I have a spare one, hmu if you're in the continental USA and interested

[subtle hawk]

o kurwa

[bleak owl]

[severe falcon]

use rpi as console emulator, but its the size of a gameboy and runs better than the actual console

[gloomy tinsel]

The Pi 4 and 3B+ can use a heatsink if you want sustained clocks

[severe falcon]

i have just a heatsink that came with my kit, and then a 40mm fan loosely attached to whole board, it keeps the temps pretty low

although i dont know how hot it can get before it starts to cause damage, it IS meant for phones with no cooling after all

[dusky linden]

anybody here who use both memu and mumu emulator can tell me which one has better performance overall?

for any mobile game not necessary only to play AL

[bleak owl]

wait

raspberry has his own software?

[severe falcon]

you can put emulators on it, theres even an emulator OS called retropie

[gloomy tinsel]

Usually you run a Linux OS on Raspberry Pi. Anything that supports Linux and ARM should run

[severe falcon]

nintendo 64 is a lil too powerful for the rpi to run them really good, so thats about the limit for it

[bleak owl]

Haa

[severe falcon]

though i havent seen what the rpi4 can do

[subtle hawk]

Run an entire data center using one pi

[severe falcon]

the data center is made out of more pis

[gloomy tinsel]

Some people use Pis for teaching people about clusters

[gritty wharf]

@bleak owl

dont

[bleak owl]

sorry

dont kill me pls

[gritty wharf]

recommendations on brand of nvme SSDs?

[bleak owl]

1. samsung

2.crucial

3.wd

cheap choice

silicon power

or sabrent

kingston is ok but is the slowest in the market

[gloomy tinsel]

Crucial (and often Intel as well) uses SMI controllers and Micron NAND, so they're pretty robust and generally a known variable

[bleak owl]

Samsung is like rog

reliable but expensive

[gloomy tinsel]

Samsung makes their own NAND

[gloomy tinsel]

Also, Inland has some good SSDs. The Inland Premium uses a high quality controller and Toshiba NAND

[vagrant holly]

Samsung is cheap af for the quality

[stone wave]

The OEM Samsung Polaris NVMEs are great if you want something that leans closer to prosumer.

Since they're like nearly half the price of the non-OEM 970 PRO line.

Otherwise I'd say something like... the Crucial MX500 NVME (avoid the P1) or choose a similar nvme with MLC flash

if you don't need or can't justify the extra cost for the improved read/write endurance and higher sustained speeds

I would suggest avoiding drives using QLC flash, as well as those without a DRAM cache.

MLC with DRAM is reasonable and won't break the bank.

If you want TLC and don't want to go with an OEM drive without the manufacturer warranty, then the Corsair MP510 is an option.

[gloomy tinsel]

The MX500 is actually M.2 SATA, not NVMe

[stone wave]

is it oops

did they make a nvme that isnt the p1?

The MP510 is at a reasonable price now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HR78FQ5/ref=psdc_1292116011_t4_B07J2Q4SWZ $125, still falls short of a 970 EVO IIRC but it's also cheaper than it

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave I have been running a QLC NVMe SSD for a year now

literally no difference from the MLC one

[stone wave]

There's also the Sabrent Rocket for $120 or so https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR

Outside of Samsung it seems like it's just a $20 difference or so.

QLC has superior read performance IIRC

[subtle hawk]

not rlly

it just has higher density

[stone wave]

NGL I'd consider the 2TB Intel 660p as a secondary NVME if I had the extra slot

need something to store all those Steam games I never play

but yeah ive never had an SSD of any sort fail on me

but at the 1TB range the cost difference between flash memory types is so minor, I'd say aim up

once 1TB becomes too small use that shit as a scratch drive or some shit

i still remember doing work on an older computer with sub 8GB of RAM

and after a while photoshop doesn't like that

[bleak owl]

samsung is cheap wut

[gloomy tinsel]

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Premium-M-2-2280-Internal/dp/B07RCM6DXK/ these are extremely competitive

$115, similar performance and endurance to 970 EVO with Toshiba NAND. Anandtech did a review on the Phison E12 controllers used in these - they're really strong

So I wouldn't bother with QLC since they're not much cheaper than this

[stone wave]

Just shuck this bad boy
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-14tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6390390.p?skuId=6390390

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave

[stone wave]

[bleak owl]

[bleak owl]

[subtle hawk]

@unborn flicker just get a pi if you want to toy around

the linux install isn't that RAM heavy

still

[gloomy tinsel]

Get the 4 GB one if you plan to do heavier stuff, but otherwise I say 1 GB

[subtle hawk]

tf will u do with 4 gigs of ram on a pi

[gloomy tinsel]

More important is the quality of the SD card

[subtle hawk]

I have my pi 3s running smoothly and they never capped on RAM

[gloomy tinsel]

You want at least a class 10 SD card with good endurance.

Class U3 is probably ideal

Pi 3 and 4?

4 has true gigabit Ethernet vs the few-hundred megs on the 3B+ and 100 meg on the 3B. 4 also has 2x microHDMI instead of 1x HDMI, and it has USB 3 ports

The SoC in the Pi 4 uses A72 cores, vs A53 cores in the Pi 3B and 3B+. Much higher IPC

2-3x perf at the same clocks

A heatsink may be prudent, as the Pi 4 runs relatively hot and is known to throttle if run at sustained clocks

Active cooling not required, but can be nice to keep temps even lower

Due to having USB 3, the Pi 4 is more useful as a NAS, if for whatever odd reason you want to use it for that

Also, USB-C power for Pi 4 @unborn flicker

Forgot about that

Pi 4 supports 4K60

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah 3840x2160 is just 4K
And nah imo

Yes

[stone wave]

@subtle hawk are you still planning to switch over to Box Navy switches at some point? I'd recommend going with a brass plate, IMO it sounds better

https://streamable.com/zziw8

[stone wave]

If you need something more powerful maybe consider a different SBC than a Pi?

Orange Pi, ODROID, LattePanda and etc.
But it'll cost more than a Pi and support/compatibility may not be to your expectations.

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave

Bruh

You have SA caps, of course the brass plate would sound like heaven

[stone wave]

They're MT3

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

this ad pisses me off

[subtle hawk]

nice shirt

[valid acorn]

https://youtu.be/KxsFat1ImiY

[lunar patrol]

the moral of this video is the masses are dumbasses

[severe falcon]

i mean thats been the truth for forever

[valid acorn]

The iPhone lost the first round, very interesting

[chrome inlet]

do you need high computer specs to stream?

[lunar patrol]

you need decent specs

[subtle hawk]

technically no

[severe falcon]

high internet more than anything

[subtle hawk]

but if u rlly want ppl to pay attention to your stream then yes

[lunar patrol]

unless you want your computer to become a powerpoint slideshow

[severe falcon]

a decent computer should be able to handle both gaming and streaming

[subtle hawk]

GL streaming smth in max settings

[severe falcon]

well yeah

[subtle hawk]

without a beefy system

[severe falcon]

i mean i cant even play on max settings

except warthunder and arma 3

[lunar patrol]

if you have a powerful nvidia gpu but a not-so-powerful cpu you can sacrifice some gpu for encoding using NVENC instead of the standard H264 on the cpu

[severe falcon]

cuz arma 3 loses performance when you turn the textures down

[subtle hawk]

NVENC only works on RTX cards

[lunar patrol]

huh? i've used it on my 1060

and i know it def was my 1060 bc my cpu was a pentium g4560 and i was streaming in 60fps (which the pentium most certainly could not handle)

[subtle hawk]

the older cards suffer a big loss for using NVENC compared to the RTX cards

[lunar patrol]

that's true the video quality is noticeably worse than H264 but you can still do it

[subtle hawk]

since the latter have a hardware implemented encoder

while the former relies on software

[chrome inlet]

I only use an AMD APU :/

no graphics card

[severe falcon]

oh that aint gonna work

[chrome inlet]

because fuck the seller of my pc

when I said to build one with ryzen 5 2600 and RX 570

but convinced me to use ryzen 3 2200G instead

[severe falcon]

and this is why you build your own computer, no one can talk you into a bad idea

[lunar patrol]

you got swindled my guy

[chrome inlet]

I've never had experience building a pc

my extreme anxiety requires me to say no

[subtle hawk]

you need good specs and fast internet to stream well

[severe falcon]

its basically like legos

extreme anxiety just means you need to plug the power supply in and touch it every now and then

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

dont need to worry about static electricty if you ground yourself

[chrome inlet]

besides

[subtle hawk]

No need for ESD if you build your pc in space

[chrome inlet]

my whole family doesn't want me to have a pc with high specs even tho I have money for it
also the reason why I only play free games

[lunar patrol]

i wouldn't exactly say your original r5 2600 + rx 570 was "high specs" in the first place

[chrome inlet]

it's mid-class yes

[lunar patrol]

i think those are very reasonable specs in case your parents were worried you'll get "addicted to your gaming computer" or something like that

[subtle hawk]

@subtle hawk u dum?

[severe falcon]

well better to get addicted now than to get addicted with the freedom of college

[subtle hawk]

static electricity gets generated from friction of 2 materials not material and air

[severe falcon]

but im fairly certain your current comp cant even beat my 7 year old comp

[subtle hawk]

in open space you act like a giant capacitor

[lunar patrol]

@severe falcon i built a gaming computer when i went off to college figuring i'd live it up and play games 24/7

ended up just watcing anime and playing AL

biggest waste of gtx1060

[severe falcon]

see i actually did play games

i woke up at 6 am every day and went to sleep at 2 am

even weekends

and any time that wasnt classtime was on warthunder or arma

[subtle hawk]

sleep > games

you can't change my mind

[lunar patrol]

i'm with @subtle hawk on this i sleep 10-12 hours a day in college

[severe falcon]

yeah im saying its bad what i did

cuz i got rekt when i had lots of cal 2 homework

[subtle hawk]

that's what we call a git gud moment

[severe falcon]

yep

also me discovering anime didnt help

i def ruined what sanity i had left

[lunar patrol]

hey this plex thing seems cool
oh i'll just download some of this anime stuff to add to the server

press F for productivity

[subtle hawk]

ah yes plex

that one thing that occupies over 12 TB of space on my NAS

[severe falcon]

i watched elfen lied, wanted to stay away from gore and stuff after that

but then i was trying to find this

and i found this

[subtle hawk]

oh boy

[severe falcon]

yeah

[lunar patrol]

close enough

[severe falcon]

turns out "dark haired anime girl with eyepatch" is really common

[subtle hawk]

whoops forgot the /s

speaking of streaming, I can probably do a 8K@60 stream without breaking a sweat

[severe falcon]

also i have no idea how my body could run on 4 hours of sleep per day

cuz now it doesnt even run on 8

[lunar patrol]

what the fuck kind of nasa computer you got

[subtle hawk]

don't ask

[severe falcon]

yama has an entire server farm under his command

he can delete you from the matrix

[shadow valley]

is there a way to disable the bixby button on the s10

[subtle hawk]

no

I mean you can disable bixby itself

but it won't disable the button

[bleak owl]

[shadow valley]

the amount of times i've pressed it for vol down

[stone wave]

Some how that's never really been an issue for me on my S10+

Maybe it's cause I never set Bixby up

at all

[shadow valley]

bixby itself doesn't start up at all but my muscle memory needs some time to adjust
that's where the vol down of my old phone was

[stone wave]

I think you can rebind the Bixby button, I know you could in the past with some workarounds. I've heard it's easier since they introduced OneUI.

Never really bothered to do it myself, but you can probably bind it to Vol Down.

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave you can but u need to activate it in the first place

also I don't have trouble with volume since I usually control it from the earbuds or the galaxy watch

[stone wave]

programmable keyboard

[gloomy tinsel]

I don't know if I like the ambiguity of the yellow arrow keys

[stone wave]

they were from a random novelty set i bought

the keycap profile isn't exactly common (MT3)

I do have an alternative, but it's just 2 grey keys that say ANY KEY

[severe falcon]

wait

the mythical ANY KEY?

[stone wave]

yes allow me to take a picture

[gloomy tinsel]

That's even more ambiguous

[stone wave]

I have a star a heart and a space invader

but they're all R0

[subtle hawk]

Press Any Key to continue

[olive axle]

Imagine not having the Any Key
How do you even start games?

[bleak owl]

Damn

[unkempt oxide]

Make a random key

[gloomy tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521725593436291088/657275381211987987/image0.jpg

[teal shale]

Passing this here because I didn’t knew we had a technology channel and I put this on off topic oof

Because of my countries PC part prices, a laptop would be cheaper than building myself a PC with the same parts. A GeForce RTX 2060, a good processor, 2k 144hz monitor, the rest of the parts, a desk, and peripherals would be more than 2000$, but a Dell G7 Gaming with the same specs is cheaper than that, and I dont have to buy a desk or go through the process of building it

I thought it would be cheaper to just build a PC myself than buying a laptop but apparently not

[tame topaz]

Gib specific price

[teal shale]

The price is about 1800$ of the bare minimum for a PC and monitor

But now that I think about it the processor may not be good enough for the graphics card to do well, its an Intel I5 9400F

Oh and the rest of the parts are the cheapest I could find that are compatible

Meanwhile the Laptop that I would buy with the same parts would cost 1722$

Oh and the laptop has a better processor

[tame topaz]

@teal shale Ryzen?

[teal shale]

Those for some reason are a lot more expensive than intel processors

[tame topaz]

And you may wanna dip the refresh rate a little

And woah, another unheard of thing again

How expensive is the 3600 there?

Or for that matter, 2600?

[teal shale]

The 3600 is 236$ and the 2600 is 162$

Wait the intel one is like 180$

[tame topaz]

Where are you from specifically?

[teal shale]

Costa Rica

[tame topaz]

Ah, I see

[teal shale]

Other stores here have even more outrageous prices

[tame topaz]

geez

[teal shale]

This laptop for example

[tame topaz]

2600 might not be a bad idea

[teal shale]

There are places that sell this for 2755$

Luckily a friend that is into Gaming PCs told me of a different store that is a lot more common and has actual normal prices

[tame topaz]

btw what's your mobo choice?

[teal shale]

Whats that

[tame topaz]

Motherboard?

Also geez, 1650

[teal shale]

This one, its like 88$

[tame topaz]

Pretty okay choice

Like I said, maybe be slightly more conservative with the monitor?

[teal shale]

Maybe but i kinda want to try out 144hz

[tame topaz]

Tried it, it's nice

[teal shale]

Maybe remove the 2K, that would lower the monitor price from 521$ to 282$

[tame topaz]

1080p with a 2060 seems overkill tho

[teal shale]

Also theres no in between for monitors, its either 60hz or 144hz

[tame topaz]

Is it?

[teal shale]

Yea thats why I dont want to downgrade from that

[tame topaz]

2060 non Super or Super?

[teal shale]

Super

Theres a 4K 60hz monitor for 415$

That might be good

[tame topaz]

@teal shale don't. 2060 isn't cut out for 4K.

1080p 144hz seems to be the sweetspot for it.

[teal shale]

If I downgrade the monitor price, I might get the 2070 Super

Wait no its still expensive

This is hard oof thinking about PC parts that fit together

[tame topaz]

Yeah

For Intel, less speedier RAM can be a way to save money as well

Unless you wanna go for the 2600

[teal shale]

If I pick the AMD Processor I can use this mother board which is cheaper

[tame topaz]

HDV might as well be too barebones

What's the next cheapest board?

Might wanna pick something with 4 RAM slots

[teal shale]

This one is compatible, and its still cheaper

[tame topaz]

This one is nice.

Anything close to the price of the Intel board?

[teal shale]

Nope this is the closest

[tame topaz]

Hm

[bleak owl]

Get a msi b450 tomahawk

[tame topaz]

Tomahawk or Mortar. Both are great for overclocking.

[teal shale]

What if I replace the monitor for a 4K one 60hz, and the card for an RTX2070 Super

[bleak owl]

And auto bios flash

[teal shale]

Do you think 16gb ram can run 4K or nay

[bleak owl]

2070s is ok for 4k

Yes

[tame topaz]

Thought 2070 Super is too expensive

[bleak owl]

16 GB is enough for everything

[teal shale]

Maybe I can stretch it a bit

[bleak owl]

Do you need 4k?

For wut?

[tame topaz]

If 2060 then 1080p 144hz is gud

[bleak owl]

2060 is fine for 1080p

[tame topaz]

You do wanna try out that refresh rate

[teal shale]

Yea u right

[tame topaz]

Save yourself some money

And invest in a nicer mobo

[bleak owl]

And u can buy the 3600 with the saved money

[tame topaz]

Yus

Superior performance

[teal shale]

Oh right

[bleak owl]

And the b450 tomahawk max is compatible with third gen

[teal shale]

Oh shit oh shit its all getting together

[tame topaz]

Yes...

[teal shale]

Cooling?

[bleak owl]

Or u can go with amd gpu

If u are not interested in raytracing

[tame topaz]

You can get away with stock cooler if you don't OC

But if you do then show me the catalog for air coolers

[teal shale]

Liquid or air?

[bleak owl]

Depends on ur budget

[teal shale]

Imma send you the site for liquid

[tame topaz]

Air too

Keep your budget in check still

Also wut's your case choice?

[teal shale]

This ones epic

[bleak owl]

Cheap liquid cooler is garbage

[vagrant holly]

tbh, there's not point in water cooling nowadays that much

[teal shale]

90$

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

air cooling is just as good

[bleak owl]

Ehm no

[tame topaz]

In Win? For that cheap?

Wut?

[bleak owl]

The front seems closed

[tame topaz]

Yeah

[bleak owl]

Fractal design meshify c

[tame topaz]

Search for this case: Cooler Master NR600

[teal shale]

im sorry this is my first time dealing with parts

[tame topaz]

Gamers Nexus' recommendation

[vagrant holly]

nr 600 or meshify c are good budget options

[bleak owl]

Well u should watch some yt video

[vagrant holly]

very good cooling

[bleak owl]

The meshify c is meshed so yea

[vagrant holly]

possibly get an extra 120mm fan for the nr 600 and you're golden

[tame topaz]

Prices where he is is kinda ridiculous lol

[bleak owl]

[tame topaz]

That said it might be attributed to his original choice of a 1440p 144hz monitor

[teal shale]

Not in stock

[tame topaz]

F

Fractal?

[teal shale]

http://extremetechcr.com/tienda/25-cases

This is the site

Its in spanish tho

http://extremetechcr.com/tienda/90-enfriamiento-aire

These are for cooling

Oh and yea prices where I live are kinda oof

[tame topaz]

Tricky.

[bleak owl]

Search

Sharknoon tg5

[vagrant holly]

what's the budget?

[tame topaz]

No sharkoon as far as I can see

[bleak owl]

1800

[vagrant holly]

your currency, not dollars

[bleak owl]

Sharknoon are pretty good

[teal shale]

Less than 1000000₡

[tame topaz]

The SPEC-04 seems decent

@bleak owl I've dug the catalog.

No Sharkoon.

[bleak owl]

The spec 04 is

[teal shale]

I love how Air is empty with only 4 parts

But liquid has like 2 pages

[bleak owl]

Well choice is urs

Imo sharknoon is pretty good

[tame topaz]

That is a very limited choice of air coolers.

The Aigo water cooler seems good tho.

[bleak owl]

No

That's trash

[teal shale]

Found this one, is it fine

Super basic heh

[bleak owl]

120 liquid cooler are trash

Buy a air one

[vagrant holly]

if you have to go that basic you may aswell go air

[tame topaz]

@bleak owl

[bleak owl]

Sharknoon*

[teal shale]

Ok then from those 4 things which one

[bleak owl]

N missing

[tame topaz]

@bleak owl No results either.

[bleak owl]

[teal shale]

Check the link

[tame topaz]

And no, it's spelled Sharkoon.

[bleak owl]

Well

[tame topaz]

I know

[bleak owl]

Ah yes

Wait let me search a good case

And don't buy a 120 liquid cooler pls

[teal shale]

Ok just help me im so confused

[tame topaz]

@vagrant holly with the limited choices of aircoolers (a grand total of 4) he'd be better off buying that 240mm water cooler

[bleak owl]

U can keep stock cooler tbh

[teal shale]

This is new to me i have always been a console peasant

[vagrant holly]

dw about it

[bleak owl]

How about the phanteks p400a

[vagrant holly]

oh shit you're right

that's a pretty limited choice dam

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

WERE MY NOCTUA AT

[bleak owl]

Hm no

[tame topaz]

Lower than the air coolers, and Aigo is a decent brand.

[bleak owl]

The brand is

Very cheap brand

[tame topaz]

The brand is fine! Because I know

It used to be a very common brand.

[bleak owl]

[tame topaz]

@teal shale try looking for air coolers in other places too

[teal shale]

The issue is

That this is the only store with decent prices

[bleak owl]

Use the stock one and save money

[tame topaz]

Look nonetheless

[teal shale]

Thats why its curated by PC gamers in this country

[bleak owl]

No amazon?

[vagrant holly]

just check anyway man, you never know

[teal shale]

Hmmmm

Ok then

[vagrant holly]

you live in SEA?

[tame topaz]

Costa Rica

[teal shale]

Kinda

[bleak owl]

[teal shale]

Ok the cooling is fucked

I have to keep looking

Now cases

[bleak owl]

Phanteks p400a

[teal shale]

Pick one thats epic

[vagrant holly]

don't forget as kakashi said, you can stick to stock

[tame topaz]

Look for Phanteks

[teal shale]

You are helping me you deserve some retribution

[bleak owl]

retribution?

[tame topaz]

I saw some NZXT cases lower than your choice too

[vagrant holly]

if you feel like the heat is a problem, you can always look for a cooler later on

[bleak owl]

I am doing it for free lol

[teal shale]

Yea but

Its my way of thanking you guys

Because I dont know where else to go

[vagrant holly]

this is a hobby man, dw about it

[bleak owl]

Nzxt are good looking but 0 airflow

[vagrant holly]

everybody has fun with it

[bleak owl]

The only good imo is the s340 elite

[vagrant holly]

nah the h500 is alright

[tame topaz]

Should you build it yourself, we're here to help with that too

[bleak owl]

Most of them are closed

[vagrant holly]

it's the 510 they kind of screwed

500 is ok

[bleak owl]

I dunno why lol

[vagrant holly]

still could do better for the price tho

[teal shale]

Yea nzxt doesnt look good

[vagrant holly]

that's the thing

[bleak owl]

I love nzxt design

[vagrant holly]

for that price there is better that's the only issue

[bleak owl]

But damn why close the case

[vagrant holly]

yeah the price is mostly for the design

[tame topaz]

There's the corsair SPEC-04

the SPEC line is legendary by now lol

[vagrant holly]

is the spec 04 good?

[bleak owl]

No its pretty bad

[vagrant holly]

i have a spec 03

and it's always done good by me

don't know about 04

[bleak owl]

No its pretty bad

Corsair cheap case are all bad

[bleak owl]

I know is that

[teal shale]

Ngl that spec-04 looks epic

[tame topaz]

Too bad the NR600 is outta stock

[vagrant holly]

ye but i don't know about the design

[bleak owl]

Just half of the front is meshed

[vagrant holly]

ye the nr600 is sick

ye that's the thing

the front panel design doesn't convince me

[teal shale]

It does look weird

The mesh is not good

[bleak owl]

Try to search noua

Wut

The mesh is god

[vagrant holly]

mesh is very good

it acts as dust cover

while not hindering airflow too much

[teal shale]

http://extremetechcr.com/tienda/25-cases#

Gimme options please ill keep looking as well

I barely undestand anything about this

[bleak owl]

Ok no noua case that's a shame

[vagrant holly]

i'm just playing around tryin to figure out a build

it's with a 3600 right?

[teal shale]

Yes

[bleak owl]

This seems ok

Jk

That's glass

[teal shale]

G l a s s

Its literally just glass

Bruh

[tame topaz]

570X ripoff

I'd personally buy that

Going any further than his original choice would be going into premium case territory

Not exactly a good thing when we're trying to save money

ONCE AGAIN, do look in other retailers as well.

[vagrant holly]

b450 is good enough

[teal shale]

I would but theres none other

[tame topaz]

Give us a few websites and we'll peruse through them

[teal shale]

Looked every other national store

No luck

[bleak owl]

I saw mesh panel

[teal shale]

Theres a reason this place is HUGELY popular here

[bleak owl]

B450 is fine

[teal shale]

Imma go for the mesh

[bleak owl]

X570 is overkill

For 3600

[vagrant holly]

you going for ssd or hdd?

[tame topaz]

Ah yeah

[bleak owl]

Ssd pls

[vagrant holly]

couze when it comes to ssd i seldom go for anything other than samsung

[teal shale]

Ssd because f a s t l o a d i n g

[vagrant holly]

and there is no samsung here

[bleak owl]

What store is that

[vagrant holly]

only 1 tb ssd is from gigabyte

[teal shale]

This one is 100$ and the only 1TB

[vagrant holly]

and i didn't even know they made ssds

[bleak owl]

overkill

Gigabyte ssd are good

But 1tb

[vagrant holly]

i never heard of them

[vagrant holly]

you thinking of having him get an ssd just as boot drive?

[bleak owl]

Yes

[tame topaz]

Yep, the first pcie Gen 4 SSD in the world

The honor goes to Gigabyte

[bleak owl]

Expensive and useless

[tame topaz]

Hot as hecc too

[vagrant holly]

wasn't the first from some chinese company?

don't even remember their name

[bleak owl]

Just get a sata ssd or a nvme gen3

[tame topaz]

Of course

But we gotta ask him tho

[teal shale]

Whahappened

[bleak owl]

Pay attention

We are helping u

[teal shale]

Im sorry my brain

Hurts

[vagrant holly]

btw man, do you have amazon in costa rica?

it's ok dw about it

[teal shale]

No

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

kakashi is a bitch anyway

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

[bleak owl]

Why

Btw u really need to spend 1800 for a pc?

[vagrant holly]

are you guys sure gigabyte ssds are good?

[bleak owl]

Yes

[vagrant holly]

fine

[bleak owl]

As I said

They are not using Chinese cheap ssd

[teal shale]

Thats the budget my parents gave me

[bleak owl]

U need a monitor?

[teal shale]

For Graduation gift aka the last gift ill ever get from them

Yes

[bleak owl]

1800 and the monitor?

[teal shale]

1800 for everything

[bleak owl]

There is any store there?

[vagrant holly]

is electricity a problem for you?

like, is the bill expensive?

[bleak owl]

I don't think is a problem

He got 1800for a pc

[teal shale]

I mean

[vagrant holly]

PSU efficiency

yeah but in the long run it could affect the bill

[teal shale]

This country produces 100% of its energy by renovable sources

[vagrant holly]

oh

[teal shale]

So its kinda cheap

[vagrant holly]

real?

[teal shale]

Yea

[vagrant holly]

that's cool

[bleak owl]

[tame topaz]

You guys haven't heard?

[bleak owl]

How much we pay in Italy cyber?

Well whatever

[tame topaz]

https://www.under30experiences.com/blog/costa-rica-has-run-on-100-renewable-energy-for-299-days

[teal shale]

This is the monitor ill get btw, around 300$

[bleak owl]

It's ok

[teal shale]

yay costa rica clean

[tame topaz]

MSI is gud enuf

[bleak owl]

Samsung pannel iirc

Well have u listed the pc components?

[teal shale]

Yea hol up

[bleak owl]

Let me see

[teal shale]

RTX 2060 Super 8GB
AMD 3600
Mother Board: Asrock B450M PRO 4-F, can upgrade a bit
16GB RAM
Corsair VS650
I think thats it

[bleak owl]

Ehm

The vs650 is trash

Change it

And msi b450 tomahawk max

Ram speed?

Ram speed is important on ryzen

[tame topaz]

Show us the PSU catalog

[teal shale]

That ones not in stock

PSU?

[tame topaz]

Power supply

[bleak owl]

Power supply

[tame topaz]

@teal shale Search for B450M Mortar

[teal shale]

http://extremetechcr.com/tienda/24-fuentes-de-poder

[bleak owl]

Mortar is fine

But the tomahawk is way more better

[teal shale]

Theres no Mortar nor Tomahawk

[tame topaz]

Once again very few choices!

Jeez!

[bleak owl]

[tame topaz]

@bleak owl check the link

[teal shale]

http://extremetechcr.com/tienda/16-tarjeta-madre here are the motherboards

[tame topaz]

It's sad

[bleak owl]

This is good

For the price

But I wouldn't use that for a 1800 pc tbh

[tame topaz]

As for mobo maybe the B450 Aorus Elite?

[bleak owl]

We dunno if the b450 aorus elite is upgraded for third gen

[tame topaz]

Listed in Cheap B450 Boards That Aren't Totally Garbage by Buildzoid

[vagrant holly]

oh hold up

how are you thinking of buying windows?

[tame topaz]

Not sure if he will

[vagrant holly]

you buying a genuine key from microsoft or a key from a grey market site?

[tame topaz]

If anything, SCDKey

[bleak owl]

[teal shale]

Ill buy it

[bleak owl]

Ehm don't buy it?

Oh ok

[tame topaz]

From where?

Legitimately?

[bleak owl]

Internet

[vagrant holly]

we aren't allowed to talk about piracy here

[teal shale]

Wait they dont sell those

[bleak owl]

I got warned for posting a meme lol

[tame topaz]

F

Shhh

[bleak owl]

Well was pretty edgy meme deserved

[vagrant holly]

ye original windows is only from the actual microsoft store

now it is at least

[teal shale]

Ok so which motherboard do you think is good

[bleak owl]

200

Msi mobo

[teal shale]

That Aorus?

[bleak owl]

We dunno if is update for third gen

[tame topaz]

hmm

[bleak owl]

And that msi board don't have autobios

Well buy the cheapest x570

[tame topaz]

Website says it's gud to go, so hopefully his one is ready out of the box

[teal shale]

Cheapest x570 is 105000₡

Which is 170$

[tame topaz]

Ouchies

[teal shale]

I think

Imma do the math