oof
#technology
tame topaz
i don't get it
Also Nox ain't running AL on my laptop for some reason.
Gonna try bluestacks
Ah, programming.
severe falcon
Yeah one of my teachers said do the number on the left so it would yell at you for if(0 = num)
I hate debugging my python stuff cuz the ide doesnt point to where the error happened on the line
Like when it says i did something wrong with a conditional and tells me the line number of an if statement with 6 conditions
severe falcon
AND THIS IS WHY I HATE BUG FIXING
subtle hawk
oof
severe falcon
I found the reason though, so not a big deal
Just a divide by zero in the slope causing an undefined slope but its applying it to the wrong thing
subtle hawk
severe falcon
Maybe for you yamato, but usually it is met by another bug
subtle hawk
fiery dawn
tame topaz
So Intellivision is still alive... somehow.
And their comeback doesn't seem promising. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xokUnn1lBGA
But eh, to each their own.
The hell with these dead brands and attempts to hit at nostalgia?
subtle hawk
they are probably following atari's vcs reboot
subtle hawk
tame topaz
I think I've seen that one before.
vale raptor
Does matching the RAM capacity with the one soldered on the laptop is necessary on upgrading? Say that I will install an additional 2GB SODIMM RAM to my laptop that has 4GB RAM soldered on the mobo.
past bison
its more important to match the voltage the other ram uses though matching the latency and mhz could be good as well, size doesnt matter
vale raptor
@past bison thanks for the reply. Do you know any software that will list down RAM specs like voltages, MHz etc.? CPU-Z doesn't show up any of my RAM specifications on slots that my laptop has on the SPD tab. The RAM is soldered on the board.
past bison
is it ddr3 or ddr4?
vale raptor
DDR3
past bison
its running on 1.5v or 1.65v then, the latency timings depends on the mhz but since its a laptop, i think its only 1333mhz or 1600mhz frequency and maybe cl9-cl11 latency timings
vale raptor
is this a standard to RAM specifications in DDR3? I've bumped into google searches about DDR3L's which they said consumes less power than a standard DDR3. Or are they referring to SODIMM RAMs directly?
past bison
ddr3lp runs on a lower volt and are generally only used in small formfactor things, such as phones and some very small laptops
vale raptor
but either DDR3L and standard DDR3 is fine?
past bison
i dont know, have never had anything with ddr3lp other than my phones
vale raptor
ok thanks
subtle hawk
you know you can take a look at the RAM modules on the board and see what it runs at
bsaed on model number
tame topaz
i guess they never miss huh
subtle hawk
@tame topaz 10 points for perfect meme placement
subtle hawk
We need a bot that automatically reply that
subtle hawk
can be done
obtuse dawn
throws Postman into the sun
subtle hawk
I need to control myself
obtuse dawn
why does your darn API not let me call another request with data from the current request I'm in without finishing the current request?
Stop watching so much porn then!
subtle hawk
@obtuse dawn Thats 1/10 of it
obtuse dawn
It was a joke, relax
subtle hawk
NP
obtuse dawn
utorrent.exe
subtle hawk
After merging 5 years of logs
Still going
subtle hawk
Expect twice the size 2 days later
obtuse dawn
What are you even logging
obtuse dawn
Yeah, that would definitely do it...
That also explains the Access database, apologies for that, since it's probably not your fault that's the database type being used
subtle hawk
My life is hell for that crap
F@%k Access
Basically merging and cleaning 5 databases together into 1
mental coyote
damn
severe falcon
@subtle hawk if nimi sensei doesnt have "I guess they never miss, huh" auto response, we will lewd her and belbot together
fiery dawn
subtle hawk
lol
subtle hawk
severe falcon
then uhhh, dm some of them
tame topaz
Good lord
tame topaz
Blade.
languid saddle
@tame topaz damn dude, is that dirt? 
tame topaz
@languid saddle Rust and all kinds of nasty grimes.
languid saddle
YIKES
tame topaz
Contemplating going back to membrane.
Not that I l'd waste this thing. I got it from a lucky draw.
past bison
i went back to membrane after my k65 gave on me though i do miss the smoother key travel on the mechanical
languid saddle
I just... play rythm games
It's almost impossible for me to play rythm games with membrane 
subtle hawk
lol
past bison
subtle hawk
That cabling is quality
mental coyote
Noire is good civ.
subtle hawk
Noire is generic black hair twin tail tsundere
typical nippon waifu
Typical Sony
show some class
tame topaz
oof
subtle hawk
at least zun's art is still better than 07thexpansion, even if 07thexpansion's writing is god tier
tame topaz
Is that the name of Ace Combat 7's DLC
subtle hawk
no, its the doujin group that writes the When They Cry series, among others
tame topaz
Cool.
tame topaz
Heard of them before.
subtle hawk
back on the keyboard topic... how could anyone go back to membrane
I can hardly stand using laptops
@subtle hawk you take that back
tame topaz
If I go back to membrane then it's only because I'm lazy
Too lazy to clean up and all
subtle hawk
noire is besto
I agree
Kinda
if you think otherwise ur taste is shit
Noire is quality
@subtle hawk You into Neptunia?
norie gei
tame topaz
Nagase best girl fite me
subtle hawk
nep and vert are good for the memes
tame topaz
Actually I change my mind, it's Huxian now
subtle hawk
Nep is a lovable crackhead
Vert is... oh my
blanc is... variable. Sometimes top tier other time 'why is this girl even in the game'
ur gei
smh
tame topaz
@subtle hawk You have an AC best girl?
subtle hawk
rom and ram are simulatenously angelic and annoying
@subtle hawk I have all neptunia games, what do you think
nepgear and uni are best girls
I have em all as well
@tame topaz ye
Ionela, Mihaly's biggest granddaughter
That's a ship and 69
subtle hawk
nagase is too kuudere for my taste
tame topaz
Huxian is snarky as hell
subtle hawk
but anyway ye. at the end of the day, nowah too generic to be interesting
ur too generic
also best nepgear is conquest nepgear
severe falcon
I unironically liked the conquest ending, but rei ryghts is best waifu fite me
Btw anyone know a good n64 emulator? I never got past dodongo in ocarina of time and i wish to actually finish it
I already tried playing oot on gamecube emulator, but an emulator running an internal emulator didnt like existing
subtle hawk
@severe falcon Rei is quality as well so no fighting
severe falcon
Spoilers but rei was conquest nepgear before being conquest nepgear was cool
mental coyote
Ahem. If it ain't Noire, then bring on Plutia.
subtle hawk
*But I'm afraid of Saddie
mental coyote
If someone's traumatized over a work of fiction, they -or their parents- are the issue.
(Presuming you meant rl children.)
severe falcon
no in the story, plutia accidently traumatizes a child
mental coyote
I'm surprised Nep doesn't. That level of hyperness can mess with people.
severe falcon
well in that case she has traumatized an irl child: Noble of Lost Pause
mental coyote
So, who's been reading some of the stuff about Gnome 3.32?
severe falcon
not me, but is it a Gnelf?
mental coyote
No Gnelfs here. Who even started that Gnome'd bit?
subtle hawk
@severe falcon I thought I was the only one here who watches Lost Pause lol
severe falcon
tbh i havent watched him in forever
subtle hawk
Copy over everything
subtle hawk
v
If my valentine art contest submission actually looks good I would set it as a desktop background too
It's been ages since I did that
right now I used this
severe falcon
(9)(9)(9)
subtle hawk
hello is this microsoft tech support?
severe falcon
Yes how may i help you?
flint bobcat
Proceeds to open up CMD and type tree
"Ok, I see you have a lot of viruses on your computer"
subtle hawk
And a crappy calendar
subtle hawk
My limit is going to be blown away to hell
@subtle hawk why is this look broken
Because MS Word
Open it in Office Online
MS = Business afterall
subtle hawk
Now we have 5Ge
Nice
noice
we have the infrastructure in place
but we're still waiting for the go ahead signal from main HQ
doe I don't think a lot of people have 5G compatible phones rn
There's so 5G phone available rn
5Ge is basically LTE+
there are some
SDM855 has 5G
MWC 2019 = 5G for sure
it's fun to poke around with a wide spectrum signal analyzer
And software
and AT&T
shows how signals propagate and how congested we are
How long till a future where we can have cellular in our brains?
I can also flip it around and turn it into a emitter
or a jammer
cellular in the brain isn't happening
quantum entangled transmitters in the brain
now that's more like it
That would be quality
Or a full quantum computer in the brain
Even better
But taking out data from the quantum PC
Not at all good
u don't need the pc inside your head
quantum communication doesn't suffer from latency
can't say what data rates it might have since we didn't make one
yet
over 9000 zettabytes/s
I hope
quantum computing isn't done with binary
Oops
severe falcon
our brains are already frickin quantum computers
subtle hawk
nah, just very efficient neural network
severe falcon
well we dont use "bits" though
or at least when they tested with some lab mice, they found that its "bit" could have 15 different values
severe falcon
yeah i guess its not quantum then, but do they even know how a qbit works?
severe falcon
yeah but how close are we to making uncertainty?
just a bunch of schrodinger's cat boxes hooked up with wires
subtle hawk
lol
obtuse dawn
And this is why you don't use /var/tmp to hold files where it's imperative they get copied... Because if that server reboots for any reason.....
subtle hawk
You become ded
subtle hawk
I am very afraid right now
severe falcon
So i finally fixed my script at work so that it stops missing enter and tab keystrokes, by never letting it hit enter or tab
i think this deserves to go here, try to figure out what it is
subtle hawk
are your camera glitched or something
severe falcon
No it was working perfectly fine, that is not a glitch
subtle hawk
so why was it half filtered?
severe falcon
Heres a hint, any digital camera would take the picture like that
subtle hawk
Wild guess but did you take a photo of the same place in daytime and nighttime and then merged them?
Wait that has editing in place
Nevermind
severe falcon
Wouls it help if i told you it was about 10pm at that time?
subtle hawk
ISO Overexposure?
obtuse dawn
Was it a digital or film camera?
severe falcon
Digital phone camera and no overexposure
I know exactly whats going on but im just seeing if anyone else can figure it out
subtle hawk
I'm not a camera person so not me for sure
Oh Xbox...
HOW MANY TIME DO I NEED TO HAMMER IN YOUR SORRY SERVERS THAT THIS IS NOT 3019 YOU F@%KING PIECE OF $@%-
severe falcon
Oooof
subtle hawk
THE SIZE OF THE GAME WILL BE REDUCED TO HALFED THEY SAID
GUESS WHAT
THEY REDUCED HALF THE SIZE OF MY WALLET INSTEAD
Like seriously
Ate up 84 GB after showing this
severe falcon
It sounds like they have never heard of optimization
subtle hawk
I lost 84 GB of my data
I have a 2 TB limit
It took friggin 84 GB of it
subtle hawk
It downloaded 84 GB of whatever before showing that error message like wtf Microsoft
severe falcon
Thats awful
I kinda wish they went back to being as optimized as nintendo with the n64
subtle hawk
It was supposed to reduced the size of Sea of Thieves (39.2 GB on the One X) to 18.7~19.5 GB
Guess what happened instead
severe falcon
The original animal crossing was made for n64 but it was finished so late that they put it on gamecube, since it had an n64 emulator, but the game on the disc is less than 43 mb, which is how much ram the gamecube has. Meaning you can open the gamecube while the game is running, take the disc out, and it will never crash unless you do something dumb
subtle hawk
And even though a 2TB limit is extremely big for normal people
It's not for power users like me
And what if I was on a small data plan?
Just look at my usage this month
Now cut 84 GB off it
severe falcon
Well they assume your isp doesnt base it off of data
subtle hawk
Their assumption is shit
severe falcon
Well i cant even get data based internet service where i live, its all unlimited but the speed is limited
subtle hawk
Mine has a speed limit of 100 Mbps and a 2TB cap
severe falcon
Mine is just 100 Mbps but it has never gone past 35
subtle hawk
Mine goes at least 95 Mbps
severe falcon
But maybe its unlimited cuz my isp could care less about the measly amount of data we could use, since they also do gigabit in the city
I love working on the weekend where i can watch youtube for 8 hours straight and never see it buffering
subtle hawk
Just download it
severe falcon
It still takes forever since when it buffers that means my internet has gone down to kbps
subtle hawk
That hurts
severe falcon
So downloading wouldnt work
They are better than they were though, it used to average 280 kbps
subtle hawk
@severe falcon so basically you captured the lightning
but due to rolling shutter it didn't last for a full frame
should've noticed the storm earlier 
severe falcon
i know but there was light and then there was absolutely nothing inbetween columns of pixels
though i guess camera shutter speeds are quite slow compared to display drawing
and then light is several magnitudes faster
subtle hawk
yeah
you can even see tearing on normal light switches
or better example is misaligned recording of crt tv
severe falcon
yeah but thats not as cool as accidently timing lightning
subtle hawk
if shutter speed doesn't sync with screen's drawing rate you would see flashing black bars
still, stroboscopic effect is an interesting thing
like how you can restrict the frame rate of your eyes with it
severe falcon
is that where it makes the weird lines when you take a pic of a screen?
subtle hawk
yes
severe falcon
i hate that cuz my phone always has it when i try to take a pic of my rpi
subtle hawk
most cameras can finetune the shutter speed to eliminate it
severe falcon
i never thought of changing shutter speed
subtle hawk
I mean automatically
severe falcon
yeah mine doesnt do it automatically
subtle hawk
🤔
also welp couldn't get a desktop environment to run on that linux
but I think I'll put my rpi project on hold
now I'm more interested in that FPGA board 👀
which I borrowed from my lab class
severe falcon
so i just remembered that i have a python project due tomorrow, but then i saw its due tomorrow at 8AM
subtle hawk
oof
subtle hawk
anyone had success getting the hardened mainline kernal on arch to work?
subtle hawk
I'm having boot issues and I think it's a filesystem or video module
subtle hawk
got any logs
severe falcon
So i finished my bezier tool and it did like a 14th degree bezier curve in faster than i can blink time
tame topaz
@subtle hawk VII more like V2 amirite
subtle hawk
more like enterprise grade card wrapped in a consumer shroud
subtle hawk
that would mean selling it at a huge loss
tame topaz
Good lord, seems like the VII is overvolted to hell and back
Look at that ridiculous performance per watt boost when you undervolt
subtle hawk
Nvidia: Shrinks die to increase efficiency
AMD: Shrinks die to overclock it to Andromeda and back
severe falcon
So the bezier tool i made starts to visibly habe a delay between clicking and drawing at the 12 point mark. But at that point it has to calculate 6600 lines, 6600 points on said lines, and return 100 of those points to be drawn in a single frame(i havent made the display on a seperate thread yet) so i think its doing pretty well
subtle hawk
No, arch doesn't have kernel logs enabled by default
once I figure out how to dump those I'll go through them
(I still have the standrard kernel installed, so the system is OK)
subtle hawk
Very afraid to do the update
Especially what happened last time with the updates before
subtle hawk
@severe falcon that sounds like a very bad algorithm
There's a generalized parametric function for it, use that
severe falcon
@subtle hawk for n-point bezier curves?
severe falcon
that IS what my algorithm does, idk if it does it in O(tn) but thats what it does
subtle hawk
instead of O(tn^2) of yours
hm really
then why did you say 6600 lines
nCr can be cached
subtle hawk
yeah that formula only requires you to do a sum of n+1 terms
subtle hawk
yeah, and you can even reuse t^x and (1-t)^x terms in each iteration
severe falcon
ok so i dont understand why its multiplying the points
i did it how that gif does it, where you draw lines between the points t% of the way from p0 to p1, etc and then draw lines between the points of those lines t% of the way from those points etc etc
but this formula is confusing cuz it has no mention of how to actually get useful numbers from it
severe falcon
ok im calculating an example
subtle hawk
B = (1-t)P0 + tP1
subtle hawk
ah
severe falcon
so at t = 0.5, when i do the x coordinates, i get 0.5 as the answer
but it should be 1
oh wait i labelled them wrong woops
subtle hawk
severe falcon
the 0,2 should be 2,0
ok its now 1 
huh, well im gonna try it and see which ones are faster
probably saturday since i have a report due tomorrow
yeah which is basically what i was using, but it just does it in a less literal way
OH AND NOW I WONT HAVE UNDEFINED SLOPE ERRORS
well sweet
subtle hawk
what language do you write this in btw
severe falcon
python
subtle hawk
ah nice
severe falcon
am using it for a paint program and i have to learn python for data mining class so i thought i might aswell
subtle hawk
I can give you an efficient script for it
severe falcon
nah ill just edit the one i have
subtle hawk
just make sure you cache t^n, (1-t)^x and nCx terms
subtle hawk
t steps should be flexible with curve length which can roughly be determined by input points' total path length
severe falcon
so far ive done t with 100 steps and i havent really found a problem
subtle hawk
that's nice
severe falcon
plus the display size is 800 x 480 and my window size is like 320x240
so i might be using too much
severe falcon
wow they need to make wifi adapters with fans in them cuz mine is literally overheating and barely working rn
subtle hawk
@severe falcon tf kind of adapter do u have
severe falcon
i sent a pic of it before, this is the first time its gotten this hot though
its just a belkin adapter
subtle hawk
severe falcon
but like it was at least 50 C on the plastic shell
subtle hawk
my intel adaptors never heated up that hard
severe falcon
rn its like 35-40 which is normal
severe falcon
well the only difference i can think of is i was using netflix, which ive never done with it before
but i think it was actually getting so hot it stopped working cuz it kept on disconnecting from wifi over and over
severe falcon
@subtle hawk @unborn flicker so i made the algorithm, but its doing something weird, no matter the number of points, it starts off going fine until about the halfway point and then it heads straight to the origin
Oh boy it gets better, i found that calculating the nCx was giving the wrong numbers but it still goes to the origin, except its more of a curve instead of a spike
I mean thats what its calculating now
It used to be doing the wrong thing, but now its doing exactly like pascals triangle and still not working
Lemme get a pic of the code
That for loop goes from 0 to n-1 since the length of the point list is one more than what the equation needs
Bclist is the nCx values
Oh i just figured it out
Im missing a t^i term in the calc
WAIT A MIN NO IM NOT
Cuz pow(t,i) is there
subtle hawk
try logging each parameter and find what result in 0
severe falcon
Yeah cuz it has to be between 0 and 1
Range goes to the 2nd number minus 1
It makes no sense whatsoever
This is my first semester using python and believe me, i have the same opinion as you
No no thats the value for t
subtle hawk
Range goes to the 2nd number minus 1
this is more convenient than you might thought
for example, if you want to split two ranges at k, you can just do [:k] and [k:]
and you won't accidentally get another copy
severe falcon
Welp i have phys lab starting in a few mins so if you think of a problem i have just @ me, rn the numbers for bcalc are sporadically decreasing and the last n calcs are 0, with n being the num of points
Its also starting off with a 1 and n-1 0s after it before the decimals
Wait i think im on to something
Flist stores t points it gets from the algorithm
If you look the numbers should start off 1,0,0 and then hit .125,.25,.125, and then go to 0,0,1 but its not hitting the least one
This is just t = 10
Yes but im using the length of plist as n, which the algrithm on wiki has the points labelled as p0 p1 p2 and n is 2
subtle hawk
why is z goes up to .147 and go back down to 0
severe falcon
I do not know but i cant really talk anymore, lab is going on but ill be back in 3 hours max
But that z is the issue and why its going to 0
And then that makes it go to 0,0
severe falcon
Z is not z axis value, its the result of the calculation that will be multiplied by p2, the last point
It should be 1 at rhe end so that the endpoint of the curve is at the end of the line
But if i change the range to n+1, the index of plist, and bclist dont exist
Not n+1, i meant n
Like from 0 to n
I see the problem
No no, its the OPPOSITE problem, since n is one more than the algorithm calls for, it needs to be (1-t)^((n-1)-i) since i is n-1
Gonna change n to be length -1 and then fix the whole thing
Its cuz len(p0,p1,p2) is 3, but n in the algorithm needs to be 2
I used n without making it -1
Like the way it is for every i
Welp ill find out if it works later, i gotta learn about string superposition now
TIL that the biggest problem with my programs is me
severe falcon
@unborn flicker @subtle hawk end me please
Nah im just saying im an idiot
Im a senior in college with comp sci major, im not allowed to reconsider
Also after spamming 42 points, it shows no signs of delay
So i now have an efficient bezier tool
subtle hawk
nice
subtle hawk
finally got around to setting up gaps
subtle hawk
yeah, odd stick configuration is uncommon
*looks at old laptop which has 4+2gb ram*
Ya old-ass PCs were like that
3/6/12/24/40 GB configs
Seen em all
mental coyote
sway, eh? haven't seen too many folk using that one.
been using a lotta the off-brand DEs, lately. stuff like budgie or deepin. pantheon's a total bish on arch/arch derivs, tho.
subtle hawk
it's a laptop, 16+8
and sway isn't a DE, it's a compositor
wayland is fun
fuck nvidia for not supporting it properly
lol
easiest way to relate sway to x11 is to consider it the wayland version of i3
mental coyote
I said I had been using off-brand DEs, not that sway was one.
As far as wayland. I wonder if that's ever going to replace xorg.
severe falcon
at least your ram setup isnt 4 x 4 3
subtle hawk
tbh I wanted nvidia gpu on my new pc
but since it has bad drivers for linux so I'm not sure 🤔
past bison
im starting to get VERY annoyed at the issue with my pc... i can some times run games on it for days on end without problem, some times it takes just minutes for the gpu outputs to crash/die upon starting up anything
right now, im testing to run with my old gpu in the pc to see if the issue is the gpu itself or rather something else
past bison
i7 4930k, 32gb (4x8gb) dominator platinum 2133mhz ddr3, asus rampage 4 black edition, asus strix gtx 1060 6gb OC edition
used to be a i7 4960x but switched to my previous 4930k because i thought the cpu was the cause but no, it happens even after cpu swap, testing with my old gpu atm actually
subtle hawk
Wait
I thought the supported mem types for 4930k were DDR3 1333/1600/1866
Same for 496OX
past bison
2133mhz xmp profile
subtle hawk
Does your board have onboard display outputs
past bison
it does and it displays AA, which means no problems, when my problem occurs though some times when i reboot my pc after the problem occurs, i get random error codes on the code display
you seriously think a x79 board has onboard graphics?
past bison
tested several pcie slots, both cpu linked slots and asmedia controller linked slots, happens on both
subtle hawk
My card crashed after a Nvidia driver update
had to uninstall them in safe mode later on
past bison
and yes i have tested different drivers, prior to the 4xx.xx drivers, i got mostly WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR bsods or just sudden pc restarts, updating to 4xx.xx drivers has increased the occurrence of the problem but now it doesnt throw me the bsods or just suddenly restarting but rather just stop sending output signals to the monitors
subtle hawk
when you started seeing WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR, did it have anything else with it
past bison
windows 10 bsods shows barely anything but the general error message so no
subtle hawk
It usually occurs if using sysprep/if you overclocked your gpu/overheat/bios
past bison
it happened even if i underclocked the gpu
past bison
have tried both stock cpu settings and overclocked cpu settings, doesnt matter
i have never seen the gpu temps go above 65C so that shouldnt be the problem
subtle hawk
Do you have the latest bios?
past bison
the 0701 version doesnt even work on my system so im still on the 0603 bios version, 0701 doesnt detect my raid array when i set the sata controller setting to raid mode
past bison
i think i tried 0801 and it couldnt even POST with that
and no, i havent tried 0501
but i have big doubts about it being bios issue if my pc is running fine with a 780ti but randomly errors with a 1060 6gb
subtle hawk
Maybe your board can't handle it or something
The best CPU+GPU combo is supposedly 4930K+980Ti
the stuff you need to do sometimes to play some JP games is quality
Not really
Kinda understand Japs so just decided to give the OS a weebover
subtle hawk
Meanwhile my win10 install is home single language which literally not allow changing OS language as the name suggests
But still allows changing the locale
So the result is that I have English win10 with Japanese locale
subtle hawk
lol 8.1
tame topaz
Don't blame me it's my dad's old work laptop
subtle hawk
Yeah, good luck though
tame topaz
tfw personal laptop too weak for art
subtle hawk
I remember my mom once had a win8 laptop that doesn't allow any os installation at all
tame topaz
Already having a portable nuke handy
No time to get to it yet.
Probably.
Well I mean laptop BIOS varies wildly by manufacturer so I guess this is no different
subtle hawk
If you mean you can't install any other edition of Windows 10 then there's a way to solve that v
subtle hawk
'wonder if wayland will ever replace xorg'
I certainly hope it does eventually
wayland isn't just spinning window memes
it's a ton smoother than I get on xorg when it comes to apps that run natively on it (qt5, gtk+ 3, and a lot of other common gui libs support wayland natively)
only issue is when you're using a dated app that doesn't run except on xorg. xwayland is a thing, but it's basically the same as WiNE
in that you'll have weird bugs with some apps
pulsar saddle
one other issue I can think of is wayland support on nvidia cards
wayland has troubles with those as nvidia keeps pushing their eglstreams api instead of using standard gbm buffer api that basically everyone (wayland devs, amd, intel etc.) has agreed to develop together
which means proprietary drivers won't work with wayland unless kernel is patched to support eglstreams, otherwise we have to resort to nouveau
but iirc nouveau is not really efficient, especially on newer cards that had less time to get reverse-engineered
so I see the situation as a sad one for nvidia users
though what I know about wayland&nvidia situation is based on info from several months ago, maybe it's better now?
mental coyote
That's nvidia for you. Throw wrenches in the works for everyone else.
subtle hawk
a lot of ppl are working on wayland yes
but the majority of linux users don't need a GUI
so compared to other core parts it's gonna be slow
severe falcon
@subtle hawk so when i use the ping command on z23 sensei, what is the heartbeat part?
subtle hawk
something discord API specific
severe falcon
ah ok
subtle hawk
Is there any way for me to successfully replace the drive actuator?
no
don't even think about it
replacing the actuator requires a absolutely sterile room and very steady hands and a good understanding of hardrives
I have a sterile dustproof lab nearby
severe falcon
is the drive actuator part of the arm, or the spin motor?
subtle hawk
the entire head arm assembly
severe falcon
OH
half the old/broken HDDs ive taken apart have the arm completely unable to come off without breaking it
mental coyote
Makes me glad I switched to a SSD
severe falcon
though i have the luck of my electronics breaking but still able to work, like my 3TB broke, probably due to the process of moving the comp, but it was still functioning with 931 GB of total space
severe falcon
subtle hawk
@severe falcon I need to copy that drive D:\ of yours 👀
severe falcon
im at max HDDs though, i can only shove so much into an ITX case
and dont even mention cable management, its like a mass of worms at this point
subtle hawk
That's quite the cable noodles you have 👀
severe falcon
oh you know its only graphics card power, mobo power, 3 sata cables, and 2 fan cables passing through the small opening between spinning fans and the metal wall the mobo is attatched to
subtle hawk
Graphics Card cable are thicker than 2 pens sometimes vv
severe falcon
at least this card only needs one cable
subtle hawk
Oof
severe falcon
my old AMDs needed 2 6-pins each
subtle hawk
So nice
tame topaz
Nice.
subtle hawk
This is epic
severe falcon
my displays pulled a switcheroo, where they swap only the windows, and they just did it again
subtle hawk
@severe falcon is ur GPU that potato?
or are you running some legacy OS
cause windows 10 keeps the display setup using their hardware IDs
so does modern linux
severe falcon
am using win 7 ultimate and its a GTX 950
subtle hawk
well there's your problem
severe falcon
but its not the actual displays switching
subtle hawk
win7 is a legacy OS
severe falcon
like my main monitor that has all the desktop icons still has all the icons, but my youtube and discord switch monitors
subtle hawk
yeah that's bcz 7 keeps the monitors set by their connection order
so things like that happen more often than not
I highly recommend switching to 10
since 7 will EoL very soon
Or 8.1
not 8.1
god
I loved it v
mental coyote
Don't curse anyone with that heresy.
subtle hawk
8 and 8.1 are the vista of the current cycle
Ya no
They are a blessing for old PC's
I swear to god Windows 8.1 felt the fastest among 7/8.1/10 on my old PC
And i's not that bad
It's just touch-friendly
back when MS under the old CEO tried to push for the Apple experience and with as much Linux hate as ever
severe falcon
i went to 7 FROM 8.1 cuz it had a glitch where the process called "system" would take literally 99% CPU usage for no reason
subtle hawk
Nice
probably the broken ass integrity service
Windows 7 has more problems than anything else
I always recommend ppl to upgrade to the latest there is for both security, compatibility and reliability
But less than Ballmer
unless your pc can't handle it
then limit the fuck out of your internet connection
w
severe falcon
so the system process was the integrity service?
subtle hawk
most likely
what was the name of it?
"system" in task manager is a amalgam of services
It's probably svchost.exe
usually divided by their common purpose
they're all svchosts
severe falcon
cuz i would be playing Just Cause 2 and then drop to like 10 fps from the CPU doing that even though the GPU was basically idling
subtle hawk
oof
severe falcon
so my upgrade was: get better CPU and move to win 7
subtle hawk
'maybe [the wayland situation] is better by now?'
nope, nvidia still being a bag of dicks as usual @pulsar saddle
speaking of which, I should work on the kernel patch for the new host
I don't recognize wayland as a successor to xorg
at least not yet
mental coyote
Nvidia. Or as Yamato named 'em, Novideo.
subtle hawk
the thing is too raw
mental coyote
xorg is crufty as fuck, tho.
subtle hawk
novideo doesn't rlly care about GeForce linux drivers
severe falcon
and amd is absolute minimal driver (support)
mental coyote
Home computing, yes. But I guarantee even nvidia's running linux for their servers.
subtle hawk
unless you take enterprise then they use special drivers meant for their Quadros and Teslas
I have 8 of their compute GPUs running simulations for me
never had a problem with their drivers
since I don't need them in 3D mode
mental coyote
Also, of course MS runs the homefront. How many years did they lockdown the majority of oem boxes to their os? (And to be truthful, the plethora of options in Linux confuses the shit outta non-techy Joes and Janes.)
mental coyote
Wouldn't we accuse Apple of that, even before MS?
subtle hawk
both of them
mental coyote
Accepted.
subtle hawk
linux never aims to replace those 2
and it never will
linux is powerful
very powerful
mental coyote
Let's be real, systemd is an attempt at "simplifying" Linux, at least init/default daemon-wise.
subtle hawk
but with that power comes a lot of knowledge
it's not
systemd is one essential piece of software
or would you rather run everything in screen instances
or the like
mental coyote
Hey. When Poettering himself called it a "building block" for the os, seems like I do have a point.
mental coyote
Look. I'm not totally against the guy. Hell, Pulseaudio was a shitshow for about 2 years, but is pretty cut and dry, now.
subtle hawk
we don't talk about pulseaudio
the new generation of sysadmins have it so easy
a few scripts here, some chef recipes there and done
mental coyote
Meanwhile, we're from the shell script ALL the things crew.
subtle hawk
back in my day we used to manually install servers, configure them, join them to the cluster
mental coyote
Of course, we could mention another sound server: How 'bout dat OSS?
subtle hawk
@mental coyote pls miss me with that OSS initative bullshit
god are those ppl ever so annoying
subtle hawk
this question again
flint bobcat
but i dont know what to choose
subtle hawk
how well do u know linux
subtle hawk
fairly well
would you be able to partition a drive, mount them, setup the bootloader, display server, desktop environment and drvers
flint bobcat
are you implying arch linux
subtle hawk
as well as apply microcode patches to the CPU
subtle hawk
isn't the only one like that
subtle hawk
only skids use kali
subtle hawk
Parrot
flint bobcat
cause i only know kali
or
flint bobcat
subtle hawk
than use these "hacking OS"es
subtle hawk
netsec huh
then either 
or 
the latter is a more user friendly and locked down version of the former
flint bobcat
also what are bsd and arch for?
flint bobcat
well, you did say linux is powerful
subtle hawk
I'm gonna say what everyone before me said
That being
unless you know what you're doing don't touch those
flint bobcat
but can't i learn
subtle hawk
I used arch before v
flint bobcat
flint bobcat
subtle hawk
flint bobcat
how far are you able to customize?
flint bobcat
woah
subtle hawk
that's why it's dangerous
flint bobcat
so would i be able to study netsec in arch?
subtle hawk
ofc
severe falcon
"no limits" that just makes me think of C and the sheer amount of seg faults i got
subtle hawk
if I had time I would work on improving ACPI for linux
Go for it
as I said
if I had time
Replace sleep with help
3 hours won't make a dent
sad
severe falcon
yo yamato, on my rpi should apt-get upgrade auto update the python it comes with? or do i need to update it another way?
subtle hawk
can't remember what python it comes with
severe falcon
well im just asking if it SHOULD update it, cuz its definitely not the current python version
severe falcon
well i really need the numpy library updated, im 3 vesions behind of what we use in class, and it had a really convenient function that it doesnt have now
subtle hawk
I just have my editor hooked into my server
so when I run it runs on the server not locally
severe falcon
but apt-get upgrade should update it if it can right? and if it doesnt does that mean it hasnt been made for rpi yet?
severe falcon
yeah i have python 3.5 on it rn
but i think i need version 1.15 of numpy and currently it is 1.12
subtle hawk
it should be capable to upgrade to 3.7
flint bobcat
@subtle hawk so just use a VM at first?
severe falcon
pip?
subtle hawk
so u don't break ur actual pc
ye pip
it's the package manager for python
like npm for nodejs, nuget for C#, gradle for java
severe falcon
ah i assume it just works in the background when i apt-get?
subtle hawk
no u manually call it
severe falcon
oh ok, ill see about doing that tomorrow
flint bobcat
@subtle hawk virtual box or vmware?
subtle hawk
@severe falcon @mental coyote
flint bobcat
LOL
severe falcon
Tfw i had a laptop with windows me and literally the only program that worked on it was mahjong, it couldnt find the files for paint or minesweeper
My grandpa gave it to me
subtle hawk
oof
flint bobcat
@subtle hawk what maximum disk size should i use?
subtle hawk
since you're testing probably 10 GB
subtle hawk
Or 100 TB
flint bobcat
mental coyote
Hmmm. Which to hate more: ME, Vista, or 8?
subtle hawk
All of them
mental coyote
I count 8.1 as 8.
MS OSes are like pre Kelvinverse Star Trek films: you only can stand alternating ones, in most cases.
subtle hawk
preach it
mental coyote
I swear. I wonder how long they're going to keep that kernel on life support.
subtle hawk
idk
severe falcon
That one time a win 8 update broke every single laptops built in wifi adapters
severe falcon
I have found one of the people that #history was talking about when they said "clense the gene pool"
subtle hawk
LMAO
mental coyote
OS Darwin Award, wot?
severe falcon
@subtle hawk gonna suggest this here instead of #512967149975896084 so that mods dont get mad at me for "not being serious", but can z23 sensei have a tracker for how many unifbi reactions have been on our messages, so we can see who is the most lolicon
mental coyote
Isn't this like asking for more skill percentage in Cthulhu Lore, in a Call of Cthulhu game? Mindbreak in a can, dood.
severe falcon
i just want it cuz i swear id be like sandy in this competition, No. 1
subtle hawk
Is it a limit in the software or the interface?
@subtle hawk in the link
what speed uplink is it
100Mbits?
Ya
and what speed is your ISP providing
Upto 300
hmm
open up the network adapter properties
and check its stats
see what does it really report on the link
Oh
100
Looks like I have someone to murder today
severe falcon
ive looked at that before and its changed for me several times
subtle hawk
@subtle hawk upgrade ur toaster router
severe falcon
sometimes it tells me its 75 Mbps, other times it says 180 Mbps, but my ISP is supposed to give 100 Mbps and i have seen an actual 35 Mbps
subtle hawk
I have an AC router 👀
big 
Netgear R6120
all 802.11ac routers come with gigabit lan
severe falcon
do you need a special ethernet cable for Gigabit?
subtle hawk
I dunno
huh
it doesn't have gigabit
now that's a ripoff
you deadass wasted money on it
Someone bomb them
no
someone should smacc u for not reading the spec sheet before buying it
100Mbits can be done even on 802.11n
I didn't buy it v
My ISP gave it to me
I asked them to give me a gigabit-capable AC router
I should've just bought my own
severe falcon
@subtle hawk did you mean this to look at the speed?
severe falcon
yes
subtle hawk
severe falcon
well we gonna move in like 90 days and i never had a problem
subtle hawk
mine shows glorious 10Gbits
severe falcon
anyway so what exactly does that "speed" mean? is that whats incoming to the router? or whats incoming to my comp?
subtle hawk
god bless mellanox NICs
WiFi however is at 800 Mbps so no problems with that
it means the negociated protocol speeds
@subtle hawk it's still bottlenecked by the 100Mbits port
severe falcon
ok mine is fluctuating so what does that mean?
subtle hawk
you'll only see higher speeds between wireless devices
it meand ur on wifi @severe falcon
severe falcon
but thats not ISP speed right? thats just between PC and router?
subtle hawk
So I need to throw that router and directly attach it to my PC's ethernet v
@severe falcon ye
severe falcon
ah ok, no wonder its going to 270% ISP speed
subtle hawk
Can the optical port be used for optic fiber?
severe falcon
anyway maybe next house will have ethernet in more than one room
i dont even know what my router is, its probably some heresy cancer that you would ban me for
severe falcon
Optical
used for sound
subtle hawk
it carries decent stereo
because unlike wire it doesn't have interference
for that crisp sound
severe falcon
oh yeah, wish my rpi didnt have interference on its audio
severe falcon
and its power cable even has the little cylinder that is supposed to help with that
severe falcon
tho it might be the wireless logitech keyboard thats causing it
subtle hawk
why do u think none of the decent cables have it
severe falcon
what mean ground my power supply? it does it even when its plugged into the wall
wait so these dont work?
severe falcon
oof
subtle hawk
some myth from the 2000s
severe falcon
well how do i ground a battery bank or a plug?
i can understand the battery bank not being grounded but i dont think 3 prong usb plugs exist
severe falcon
oh so the battery bank would be worse than the 2 prong
subtle hawk
ye
severe falcon
though do rpi 3s even have decent audio?
i would kinda want to see if i could put like a n64 emulator on it
severe falcon
yeah i knew there were things like that
subtle hawk
but decent
severe falcon
the last time i tried the audio it was somewhere between rocks in a garbage disposal and this:
hrmmm i wonder if the offbrand wiiu gamecube controller adapter would work with an rpi
flint bobcat
i have a lot to learn from yamato
tame topaz
tfw RGB sync without mobo sync header
subtle hawk
MacType is so nice 🙂
tame topaz
Tacky, but somehow still looks cool
mental coyote
Ouch
tame topaz
RGB of course
subtle hawk
severe falcon
So when do we get Net Navis like megaman battle network, i want a CYBER WAIFU
flint bobcat
Mayl's net navi was waifu
mental coyote
You want Moe Skynet? Cause this is how you get Moe Skynet. 
severe falcon
No because if we actually give AIs human personalities they will just call each other gay and fight all the time
I just realized that google play store has emulators so im playing megaman BN 6, the nostalgia is overwhelming
subtle hawk
v
severe falcon
And @flint bobcat speaking of mayl's navi, i just got her chip and now im gonna LEWD IT
severe falcon
Just the one called "Roll" where she beats the enemy to a pulp and then heals me while time stops
totally not OP
severe falcon
Though thinking about it, arent siri and cortana basically net navis?
mental coyote
Time stop ... so this Navi thinks she's DIO?
severe falcon
Oh my gosh if she shouted za warudo when she did it
mental coyote
TOKI WO TOMARE
flint bobcat
oh yeah that chip
subtle hawk
weeb chip
flint bobcat
I usually use SP chips because when you are influenced by dark mega, you can't use regular navi chips
subtle hawk
did someone say weeb chips?
can do
just need a foundry to make them
Weeb Chips
Made by Kadokawa
For pro weebs
Costs ¥420.69
Available exclusively in Japan
If only
I won't be surprised if Japan makes weeb chips tho
mental coyote
Yamato, get a foundry. Weeb chips is just fucked enough to sell.
subtle hawk
I know right
I mean Japan loves their vending machines so much that they created an Isekai manga for it
How f@%ked up is that
mental coyote
Fuck, they have used panty dispensers. I doubt nothing regarding the SUTANDO POWA of Japanese degen.
mental coyote
(I gotta give 'em cred, tho. That shit is ballsy)
severe falcon
They did infact make 2d waifus real 3d waifus with the gatebox
Which they just need to allow you to put any 3d model in it
severe falcon
Except vr chat is icky real girls
Like best case scenario, its a flesh and blood human female
0/10
subtle hawk
@severe falcon that little cylinder you sent is just a wire weight lol
severe falcon
Well the wire that i have literally came with it so i didnt waste money
@flint bobcat imagine if capcom pulled a pokemon go and made an app where you can have your own navi and do battles when you connect to networks and go to certain websites
subtle hawk
It'd be Pokemon GO+Death+Weebness on the roads
severe falcon
Well yeah except you wouldnt need to move and theres no reason to run in traffic
I mean obviosuly dont make it where you have to go to DIFFERENT networks and websites
subtle hawk
Ya
Pokemon GO was crap
I never played it
Especially after my friend got hit by a bike while playing it
severe falcon
Well my work was a pokestop so we had people drive around in our parking lot like 2 hours before we opened, and every employee was playing it, but the wifi didnt extend outside and the gps didnt put you close enough to the stop if you were inside
subtle hawk
I stopped playing once it won't boot on my very old phone
flint bobcat
@severe falcon would be awesome
severe falcon
honestly if they just make cosmetic stuff and giant chip packs cost real money, they could make BANK
@flint bobcat after the VN lets join forces and make a megaman ripoff like that
severe falcon
well thats if you want to ACTUALLY connect to websites and stuff, you could probably just tell it to ping the site to see if it can access it and then randomly generate a lil map that your navi can move around on with like the logo of the website or something
honestly i think i might try to make a lil test game of it
at this point phones can handle simple 3d stuff with unreal engine right?
subtle hawk
ye
severe falcon
if you are talking about social networking then everyone with a career has that as a 2nd career 
severe falcon
oh i always heard social networking for like trying to spread your network with connections to people who can get you jobs
subtle hawk
tf
subtle hawk
first time I hear about it
I mean yeah that's how u get places
but like nobody ever mentions it
flint bobcat
yamato, whats the difference fo network engineer to a network admin
severe falcon
if only unreal could do 2d where it isnt sprite sheets
severe falcon
dont think it applies too much to networking, but the things you are taught might be completely unused in industry
subtle hawk
nah
networking is networking
it didn't change much
if at all
also learned that my fag ISP isn't giving me IPv6 when they have the capability to do it
flint bobcat
severe falcon
yeah but we had a database class, and one of the guys got a job doing database stuff for a giant local company. he said the stuff that we learned about how to make sure a database is efficient and clean without alot of nulls everywhere was throw out the window bcause "storage is basically free"
subtle hawk
big fucking doubt
if you don't optimize your database you'll have simple queries take minutes to complete
when your max target is 1 sec
flint bobcat
i feel like a network admin would need to know databases
subtle hawk
if I would meet your friend I would whoop his ass
flint bobcat
yamato goes to the gym confirmed
severe falcon
well idk the actual circumstances but thats what he said, basically as long as the database was working.
also it wasnt HIM who was saying it, he said he was told that by the upper database guys
subtle hawk
ripp that company
flint bobcat
i mean, even in the world today, im sure you need efficiency
severe falcon
like he got into the job and asked why its wasnt clean and efficient
subtle hawk
ofc u need efficiency