technology

[fickle crest]

my router is just next room

luckily

sweats

[subtle hawk]

my desktop is 50m away from the switch

give or take

[languid saddle]

50m cable?

[subtle hawk]

nah

everything is ran in the walls

with sockets

[severe falcon]

id say with that distance even with an aplifier its at least part of the problem

[subtle hawk]

so in reality it's just a short half a meter cable

[languid saddle]

Yeah i kinda know

It kinda works but, I already have the cable but the damn signal, I can barely play games stable

[fickle crest]

o_o

[severe falcon]

yeah even with good internet and small distance wifi can sometimes decide it hates you

[fickle crest]

Wifi can be also sometimes really bitchy if the weather outside is worse

[severe falcon]

i remember playing warthunder with like insane internet and the router was about 6 ft above my pc and i got 78% packet loss

[fickle crest]

(which is sometimes my problem) but it behaves in 95% of the time

wow that's worse

I play warthunder too but I don't have that problems

I do not have lags at all actually. Unless the router is overladen by the devices using it

[severe falcon]

it was just a one time thing

[subtle hawk]

I've switched to a fiber network so no interference is ever present

[severe falcon]

im pretty sure my current internet still uses copper for quite a ways until it reaches the gigabit section

[subtle hawk]

unless the cable is damaged or cut

then it won't work at all

[fickle crest]

my country is switching it's darn old cables too slow

They are so old like literally the first cables ever laid here

[severe falcon]

my cables were supposed to be switched to fiber like 5 years ago

[subtle hawk]

well I only use copper for the wifi access point and the digital TV box

[severe falcon]

i have no choice cuz its my isp

[subtle hawk]

the rest p much uses fiber directly

[severe falcon]

my isp who has gigabit internet for the city im 5 miles outside of

[fickle crest]

oof

but yeah thanks for helping guys on the audio thing o3o/

Ima head off to bed

[subtle hawk]

but as much fun having a lot of bandwidth is

[languid saddle]

I had to use a couple of year ago 30 mbps ADSL cuz the damn appartment block didn't want optical fiber to be installed

[subtle hawk]

I still restrict the gaming rig and the wifi access point to 200Mbits each

they don't need more

[languid saddle]

You don't really need more imo, 200 Mbits it's decent to stream or gaming

I think you don't need more than 20 Mbits of Upload Speed to be able to stream at 1080p 60

[severe falcon]

im fine with my 100Mbits if it was more reliable

[fickle crest]

50k was 5mbits right?

[languid saddle]

50 kb?

[fickle crest]

50.000

[languid saddle]

50.000 kb?

And I think that's 50 Mbits

[fickle crest]

I only know the german abbr. for that >_<

[languid saddle]

About 6.25 MB/s

[fickle crest]

ah oki

cuz that's my bandwith

[languid saddle]

50 Mbits?

That's pretty decent

[fickle crest]

the 50k >-<

[languid saddle]

Here in Spain max we have it's about 650 Mbits simetrical optical fiber

Meanwhile in Romania

[fickle crest]

oh ok I googled

I have 50mbits

[severe falcon]

not entirely sure about the highest here in the us but if i drive down the road about 12 miles and give my entier lifes savings i can get gigabit

[fickle crest]

50mbits is average here in germany or maybe even below average now

[severe falcon]

acutally im not enitirely sure if its public or just businesses

[quartz atlas]

i have had gigabit for a few years now

but my router is holding me back

i'm planning to upgrade next year tho.

[subtle hawk]

gigabit isn't easy to upgrade to

but for the average house with 2 parents 2 children a 100Mbits line is plenty

[quartz atlas]

Gigabit is like $50 a month for me tho, doesn't make sense not to get it.

[gritty kite]

I'm already content with 100 Mbit despite being a mod-enthusiast with games

Gigabyte is rather excessive from my point of view

Only $50?

Is this in the US?

[quartz atlas]

Besides, although I can achieve 200+mb/s to local servers through my router, when connecting to overseas servers, I get maybe get ~40mb/s thru steam for example.

Nope, Singapore

[gritty kite]

My god, that's cheap

[quartz atlas]

Gigabit btw, not byte.

[gritty kite]

Autocorrect wasn't being friendly with me

[quartz atlas]

Haha, IIRC our fastest here is 2 gigabit network.

Ain't that expensive too

[gritty kite]

How much?

100 mbit is around $60-70ish from my home state. I'm currently leaching off of my uni's

So $50 for a gigabit connection is rather

[quartz atlas]

Whelps, 2gbps is $60 a month. Not my provider tho. Time to switch providers next year.

[gritty kite]

The only time I've switched providers was when my family's house was suffering from random disconnects from the Internet. They refused to fix it so we pulled the plug and switched.

[quartz atlas]

https://viewqwest.com/internet/broadband-plans if anyone wanna take a look.

I switched when gigabit first same out

[gritty kite]

They give you a chair

[quartz atlas]

My original provider was still doing broadband 50mbps speed for $70 lul. Then my current provider came in with $50 gigabit and fked the triopoly here up.

Never looked back since.

It's cheap to do this kind of thing in sg cuz sg is very small

So its very cheap for fiber infrastructure.

Helps with the cost.

[subtle hawk]

10Gbits for 45€ a month for me

[gritty kite]

Man, stop making me envious

[subtle hawk]

well we are the number 1 country by internet speed and availability of gigabit in EU

[gritty kite]

[subtle hawk]

even doe we're poor af

[gritty kite]

And in the US providers are still trying to sell us packages that have TV channels

[subtle hawk]

same here

only use TV for news and HBO

[quartz atlas]

10?!

[subtle hawk]

yes 10

[gritty kite]

Man, I'm curious. What country?

[quartz atlas]

Hori sheet

Did you guys take the top spot from Korea?

[subtle hawk]

little Republic of Moldova

nope

[gritty kite]

[subtle hawk]

but we're close

[quartz atlas]

Can I clarify that this 10gigabit is available to general consumers?

For 45€

[subtle hawk]

no that's just me pulling strings xD

[quartz atlas]

[subtle hawk]

businesses have doe

[gritty kite]

[subtle hawk]

for a lot more ofc

[quartz atlas]

So it's not available to general consumers as of yet?

[subtle hawk]

since they get internal VoIP and a lot of crap I don't neef

well 2Gbits is available

[quartz atlas]

:yeptune:

[subtle hawk]

for about 25€ a montg

[gritty kite]

[quartz atlas]

Comparable to the prices here I guess after currency conversion.

[gritty kite]

That's just $28.36 in US currency

That's really good

[quartz atlas]

Oh? Euro is that weak now?

[gritty kite]

It's been declining yeah

It was like a dollar and twenty some months ago

Now just around 1.13

[quartz atlas]

I rmb when euro was 2:1 for my currency

[gritty kite]

I still remember when the Euro was strong compared to US.

[quartz atlas]

Anyways what do ya'll think of Teslas?

[gritty kite]

Not 1:2, but

Tesla cars

Overpriced

And not too great of quality assurance

I do admire their progressiveness in looking to the future, but their execution leaves much to be desired.

[quartz atlas]

Ain't their warranty program pretty great?

[gritty kite]

I mean, I heard horror stories

And does it really matter if the warranty program is good

if the product they give you is not properly made?

[quartz atlas]

Hmmm, I did not hear of problems with Model S and X so far tho. Only body gap problems with early model 3s that has mostly been fixed if I'm not wrong.

I see a wild nozo lurking.

[gritty kite]

He be lurking

But yes, the stories I've heard with quality has been mainly been with older models.

Haven't really checked in on the newer ones

[quartz atlas]

I blame them trying to rush model 3 to market and hit production numbers.

I kinda envision smaller cities or even countries like Singapore enforcing a tesla only rule. So there will never be anymore traffic jams or accidents due to tesla fleet control managing all traffic.

[gritty kite]

I'm hoping for more of smart cars

[quartz atlas]

Then again. A tesla is 400k here so.

[gritty kite]

And machines handling traffic

Or increased focus on public transportation

Basically less humans on the road, controlling cars

The better

[quartz atlas]

I still feel auto driving > public transport

[gritty kite]

I agree for comfort's sake

[quartz atlas]

Once a person hits a certain income level they will outright refuse public transport

Plus it isn't really too convenient either.

It take an hour by public transport for me to get to work.

But 15mins or so in a car.

Or less depending on traffic

[gritty kite]

Well it would depend on the scenario and how good the infrastructure is

[quartz atlas]

Singapore's bus system is pretty darn fine I would say.

[gritty kite]

My campus and the city itself has busses running roughly 15-30 minutes per route

So you can get to places in a reasonable pace

Slower than cars sure, but not too slow

[quartz atlas]

Ours is depending on route and time. But most routes have an interval of less than 10mins mostly.

[gritty kite]

But I do understand that you want speed, comfort, etc

so people want cars

Preferably cars that can drive themselves

[quartz atlas]

Then thing is the constant stops and transfers to get to specific locations.

[gritty kite]

mmm yeah, but investing into public services decreases the amount of cars in the area and thus provides less traffic issues

And allows pedestrian growth

[quartz atlas]

I don't really agree. You're just providing for the people who can't afford or don't want a car.

Unless you're public transport is a "private taxi service", most people won't forgo their car for public transport in my opinion.

But I heard a country is testing the idea of totally free public transport.

So we'll have to see how that goes.

[gritty kite]

I'm more of observing this as a viewpoint of someone from the US, which has automobiles everywhere (I drive a car myself). Sure you get the freedom of getting from point A to point B under your command, but this has serious tradeoffs when you have thousands of other people that do the same. You start to massively increase the amount of cars on the road, and thus the higher chance of traffic or even jams during accidents. I say utilizing a good public transport service is an excellent way to counteract this. By directing people that want to get to areas quickly, don't want to afford a car that costs them yearly, or don't want a car period you will see a decrease in people driving.

I'm not for totally forgoing private transportation, but public ones has its merits

And a system that is automated by machines will reduce traffic stress, which is what I'm really hoping for

I will say that most traffic issues don't stem from people using cars often, but from a system which has issues due to accommodating people.

[quartz atlas]

If the public transport can get me to my desired location in less than twice the time it takes by car, I'll glady forgo cars for the rest of my life tbh. But I think that with the rise of self-driving cars, public transportation may soon be just a fleet of self-driving taxis in the future that pools people together that are along the same route more or less.

Machine managed traffic really cannot come soon enough tho.

[digital vigil]

Tfw u dunno what to chose as ur computer case

[past bison]

i personally really love the fractal design cases

[digital vigil]

Currently i've smth like 150€ to invest in it

Just going to upgrade some pieces, Going to take a Z390 MSI + I5 9600k + 16Gb RAM (3000MHz CL15) + a computer case

I did noticed the Corsair Carbide 540 design being kinda unique, making the PC ez to build but making it way more annoying to move around

[subtle hawk]

I have a Phanteks case

[digital vigil]

There is also the Thermaltake View 31 that seems interesting (and tempered glass so why not ?)

As for the rest I dunno more

[subtle hawk]

totally didn't get it bcz it has Aura RGB sync

I'm personally would focus on airflow

look up case reviews

[tame topaz]

Be quiet?

[subtle hawk]

then looks

[digital vigil]

Corsair Carbide 540 seems interesting

[subtle hawk]

like tempered glass abd RGB

[gritty kite]

Air flow and space is usually what I want

[tame topaz]

Where are you from?

[gritty kite]

RGB is just unneeded imo.

[digital vigil]

^

France

[subtle hawk]

I'm also looking for water cooling moun- HOW DARE U

[tame topaz]

Silent Base 601?

Seems good.

[gritty kite]

Like glowing lights is good, but I like my towers cold and sexy

[subtle hawk]

Y'all mind if I praise RGB

[digital vigil]

Welp for the carbide I noticed that u can separate the PC in two and put the main part with the mother board on one side (and still take a water cooling) and put the rest on the other side

[gritty kite]

By all means

[tame topaz]

Cool

but is it??

[gritty kite]

Though most RGBs aren't that bad, but RGB ram just makes me go why

Like what

[digital vigil]

RGB Logo on Godlike motherboard

[subtle hawk]

RGB out the ass

[tame topaz]

I mean with RAM I can get where they're coming from

Probably the most prominent place to have RGB

[subtle hawk]

even the desk is RGB

[gritty kite]

Wait what

[tame topaz]

Since it's so visible

[gritty kite]

holy shit

[tame topaz]

Lemme guess: RGB programmed with Arduino.

[subtle hawk]

nope

it's hooked to the RGB header on the motherboard

[gritty kite]

Reminds me of when I watched a video of a person of building a table that served as a tower

[tame topaz]

Integrated?

[gritty kite]

That was pretty sick

That's neat

[visual quartz]

desk RGB. wow

[tame topaz]

Mid-range used GPUs are selling for as cheap as dirt

[subtle hawk]

I'm obsessed with RGB yes

[gritty kite]

... RGB car?

[subtle hawk]

those are old pics btw

yeeees

[gritty kite]

[subtle hawk]

RGB underglow

[tame topaz]

Dude.

Get the RGB 24 pin cable.

[subtle hawk]

which one

[tame topaz]

Lian Li Strimmer.

It's not that expensive either.

[subtle hawk]

I should

but first

finish the 1000D build

[tame topaz]

And 8 pins as well

And hot damn 1000D

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[tame topaz]

It's the thing where you can have 2 computers inside right?

[subtle hawk]

both mine and my gf's pc will be in it

me on the left of the case

she on the right

[tame topaz]

That's awesome.

[subtle hawk]

I just need some water cooling parts and that's it

since the systems are going in as is

[tame topaz]

Nice.

[subtle hawk]

fun fact

acryllic tubing from local plastics company is the same as expensive retail one

[tame topaz]

Huh.

Well water cooling is pretty much out of the question for me

Unless I went with cheap Chinese cooling

[subtle hawk]

same type of acrylic, same thickness, just without the extra cost

[tame topaz]

But that money might as well be spent on a better mobo.

[visual quartz]

so that means it has the same quality as the expensive one?

[tame topaz]

It does seem like it.

[subtle hawk]

seems like it

[tame topaz]

What about PETG tho?

[subtle hawk]

idk if they make PETG tubing

I was looking for acrylic or glass

[gritty kite]

Custom watercooling huh, nice

[subtle hawk]

it's all fun and games

till you fry your GPU

[gritty kite]

[subtle hawk]

ripp my gaming laptop

[gritty kite]

Overheating took its toll I imagine

[tame topaz]

Is 70-ish degrees safe?

[gritty kite]

If it's F, that's safe

If that's C, that's getting really steamy

[tame topaz]

It's Celsius.

[gritty kite]

Are you gaming/rendering/etc with that?

Or that's standard?

[tame topaz]

Gaming.

60-ish if not overclocked

[gritty kite]

Is your GPU being bottlenecked or below that?

[tame topaz]

Wdym?

Idle's around 30-40

And no I don't think it's bottlenecked

[gritty kite]

That's good then

As long as it doesn't touch 100C+

[subtle hawk]

no @gritty kite

it was a water cooling project went wrong

[gritty kite]

Ah

I was thinking of watercooling, but it was a laptop so I discarded that idea

[subtle hawk]

managed to turn a thin and definitely not light laptop into a hybrid

until the GPU block leaked

one drop it took

and ded

[gritty kite]

F

[subtle hawk]

it dropped right between the dye BGA and one if the VRAM chips

[gritty kite]

yeah that's goner

[subtle hawk]

BSOD and then it couldn't use 3D mode

had to install arch with a custom kernel and special config for the driver for it to work somewhat

[fickle crest]

I heard praising RGB?

https://video.fham1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.9040-2/40639380_1901192576852387_6293325345860878336_n.mp4?_nc_cat=101&efg=eyJybHIiOjMyMiwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic3ZlX3NkIn0%3D&_nc_ht=video.fham1-1.fna&oh=3722339df238028accb537fe0f0c6e38&oe=5C097E93

[languid saddle]

y i k e s

[fickle crest]

[gritty kite]

hella sexy

[fickle crest]

Yes

[gritty kite]

Is that from Steelseries?

The keyboard

[fickle crest]

Nope

All corsair

[gritty kite]

Huh, looks like the one I got at home

Nice

And I didn't know they made RGB mousepads

[fickle crest]

Corsair K95 RGB, Corsair Scimitar and their RGB mousepad

I am a steelseries and corsair fan though

I love both their stuff

I switch my whole set up once a while (kb, mouse, headset and mousepad) between those when I am renewing

The "old" stuff goes to a dude if he wants it

[subtle hawk]

awwwww yiiiiiiis @fickle crest

man my mouse is starting to have the scrolling thing

hate it

[tame topaz]

Scrolling thing?

[subtle hawk]

u know when you scroll up or down

and randomly it will jump just a tad bit in the other direction

[tame topaz]

Huh.

[languid saddle]

Bois

I'm gonna sell my old 730 for 40 euro lmao

Considering that I published the offer 3 days ago

[gritty kite]

ayyyyy

[tame topaz]

Lucky bastard.

Here my 730 is barely worth anything

Urgh it's christmas and I want to buy something so badly

[severe falcon]

so i was previously asking about the level up stat gains for ships and now i need to know if there is a way to look at the game's code.
anyone know how to do that?

[subtle hawk]

I'm personally am trying to crack open some of the source code files

since they're encrypted

[severe falcon]

lemme know if you crack them, cuz im trying to figure out their algorithm

its either just (lvl 100 stats without LB - base stats)/99 level ups
or
its some kind of thing where the stats get a higher boost the higher the level is

[languid saddle]

@subtle hawk Have you tried the new gamemode of CS:GO?

It's fucking shit, I don't wanna play CS:GO anymore, also, F2P Prime Matchmaking

This shit is gonna be full of cheaters and smurfs

[ember crest]

I hope others I know think that
fed up of them dragging me to play

[severe falcon]

so i just had the weirdest glitch on youtube

i just finished watching a playlist and went to go watch another playlist and instead of the first video of the 2nd playlist i was greeted by the first video of the FIRST playlist, which wasnt even in the 2nd playlist

i then clicked on the first vid in the playlist side bar and i got the correct thing

[subtle hawk]

@languid saddle I did

rlly dissapointed in valve

[obtuse dawn]

I'd been trying to get the music extracted for AL but whatever they used to encrypt it doesn't work with the tools for decrypting Criware music files

Also soon I'll be able to upgrade my laptop's HDD to an SSD, provided I can navigate the innards... They don't make it nearly as easy as they used to to upgrade components

[subtle hawk]

@obtuse dawn the files aren't using the default encryption for criware

I mean they do

but they also have their own file encryption

[obtuse dawn]

Of course they do... =/

Though the background images and live2d skins can be viewed with Unity viewers

Guess it's just the music

[mild geode]

https://pp.userapi.com/c849020/v849020160/d4b0a/bBIzPe5IIls.jpg
its bad build?

[quaint granite]

i hate those big shapely mouses

they are terribly hard to control

[quartz atlas]

are there any open source android emulators out there?

[fickle crest]

I like my corsair setup actually and that big mouse helps me

The other mice are too small for me

[wooden geyser]

I'd honestly go for the g703

Its a cool mouse

And stuff

[quartz atlas]

i have g502 hero, it work amazing

[tame topaz]

I seriously want my mouse to break rn

I wanna try out the G102

[mild geode]

@ruby girder CoolerMaster MasterWatt 550 good psu?

[wooden geyser]

Go for corsair or evga's they have higher quality

But i have a be quiet one on my fam pc

[severe falcon]

@unborn flicker yeah seeing the code would be faster but ill know enough about it once my shropshire gets to lvl 70

[tame topaz]

Seasonic S12 good? Just asking since I arleady got a PSU

[subtle hawk]

my dudes

I got a new toy

a brand new Supermicro 1U server

Xeon Silver cpus

128 GB RAM

4 TB high RPM SAS drives

unboxed it today at uni

the wrapping peel was

on Monday we're unboxing the other one

[mental coyote]

dayum, bro

[tame topaz]

Holy crap

[subtle hawk]

I mean it's not as powerful as my home server but it's still pretty legit

[gritty kite]

[mental coyote]

"Not as powerful," he says. 128 Gb RAM, alone, is unimaginable to my pocketbook.

Yamato's about to build the Navi, from Serial Experiments Lain. Or Samaritan ...

[severe falcon]

meanwhile im sitting over here with 16 GB 12 GB of DDR3

one of my ram sticks died recently send some flowers for its funeral

[mental coyote]

💮🇫

[languid saddle]

Y'know, it's meant to be a server, not a gaming pc

So 128 GB RAM it's kinda decent for a server

[severe falcon]

its 4x4 GB and one is dead

so only 12 are usable

so far it hasnt noticeably impacted performance but thats because i havent tried playing arma 3 with all my mods

[languid saddle]

Why not changing it for 2x8?

Dual Channel is more efficient

[severe falcon]

i mean technically it IS dual channel

although i guess since one is dead, one of the channels is only half the address space

but id rather just buy a completely new system rather than upgrade anything on this one considering every single part is a few generations behind

[pliant hinge]

Meanwhile

Don't mind me and my DDR4 4 GB RAM

[sand spruce]

@quartz atlas what your desktop looks like?

[quartz atlas]

I have a laptop

[sand spruce]

i mean

desktop wallpaper

[quartz atlas]

Oh

It shuffles between a bunch of AL wallpapers

[sand spruce]

wew

can me see?

[quartz atlas]

Sure, I'll DM you at night. I'm at work right now. senpai pinged me, I'm so excited

[sand spruce]

xd

well i can post mine here if u want

[quartz atlas]

Sure, but won't it be #off-topic for #technology tho

[sand spruce]

[wooden geyser]

Best budget gpu to pair with the i7?

[quartz atlas]

1070ti?

I7 what tho

And what resolution do you play at?

[tame topaz]

Would switching from a 3 gig 1060 to a 570 be wise?

[quartz atlas]

I have an nvidia bias so

[tame topaz]

Hope AMD has something good for CES

[quartz atlas]

Dun look forward to anyth in the gpu space

They literally can't produce anything competitive

CPU tho

👌

[tame topaz]

oof

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz the 570 is on par with the 6GB 1060

[tame topaz]

@subtle hawk Really now?! The benchmarks I'm viewing so far show otherwise...

Maybe you're confused with the 580?

[subtle hawk]

maybe

[tame topaz]

The benchmarks show that it's weaker than the 1060 by a few percent

But I still wanna get it because VRAM

[tame topaz]

Someone's trying too hard to rub us the wrong way. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/a44f4b/the_excel_spreadsheet_ryzen_leak_was_me_it_is_not/?utm_source=reddit-android

[tame topaz]

Got it

[tidal hill]

any android phone experts here

xiaomi pocophone F1 or oneplus 5T

there's a sale coming on and in my area 5T is about $50 more expensive over the pocophone

[quartz atlas]

poco hands down

[mental coyote]

Whichever one comes with OEM Unlock, just in case you wanna root/custom ROM that shit later.

[quartz atlas]

poco has higher specs for the price tho. nth can win poco in the value for $ market rn iirc.

[tidal hill]

i see thanks

but the 5T has a better display and 2gb more RAM 🤔 any thoughts on the display?

[quartz atlas]

i would prioritize a btr processor if you're going budget personally. too much ram is overkill. my p20 pro rarely goes above 3gb ram use.

[tidal hill]

aight bought it thanks

time to play azur lane at 9000fps

[subtle hawk]

I wanted poco too but I was in a hurry

[tidal hill]

what phone ye using?

[subtle hawk]

Redmi Note 5

[tidal hill]

ah

actually im using a oneplus 3T given by my brother but he kinda destroyed the screen

its still working perfectly fine but i scratched my face answering a phone call

[subtle hawk]

ow

my old phone got accidentally dropped in the water

so that's why I said I bought it in a hurry

[tidal hill]

xD

[languid saddle]

Yeah

[tame topaz]

And here I am barely getting by with 2 gigs of RAM

AL would crash kinda often

Though not too often

Nah more like restart itself

[languid saddle]

I think It doesn't use more than 1 GB of RAM

Not really sure, I almost have 3-4 GB of RAM free / 1-2 GB used by system/

Huawei P10 Pro to farm in bed and NOX to stream

[tame topaz]

My phone uses up like 1.2-1.3 at all times.

I play pretty casually

[loud schooner]

95% of people haven't even heard of my phone

[green umbra]

my phone was $99 and handles AL well

[severe falcon]

i remember my windows phone that couldnt measure its ram in GB

[subtle hawk]

i remember my old nokia phone that even harder than a brick

mean while my Oppo F3 broke beyond hope just from a drop

[brave anchor]

i should get this.

or not?

[quartz atlas]

nah uh

overpriced

[subtle hawk]

it's not overpriced

you pay top dollar for having the best phone on the market rn

[quartz atlas]

true, but its still just a S845. marginal higher performance for so much more $.

or is it s850? i forgot.

[subtle hawk]

845

[brave anchor]

1st time i see phone come with luggage

[subtle hawk]

wow

fancy

woah

[brave anchor]

https://www.slashgear.com/asus-rog-phone-and-all-accessories-come-in-a-suitcase-12545273/

[subtle hawk]

at least 899 USD

[brave anchor]

i so temped

it almost same with my 2 month house loan.

[subtle hawk]

bruh

no wonder

[mental coyote]

Akashi's secret phone build.

[subtle hawk]

@brave anchor you know that's a review unit

[brave anchor]

@subtle hawk

because i saw it from ebay and asus store page, so i google the phone

[subtle hawk]

I mean u get a pelican case with a acer predator 21X

[brave anchor]

[subtle hawk]

that thing weighs about 10 kilos

[brave anchor]

mechanical keyboard on lappy

[subtle hawk]

"laptop"

I've had the opportunity to use one for an hour or so

that's definitely not a laptop

[brave anchor]

i hope i can see 1 in real

[subtle hawk]

very unlikely

they're extremely rare

even I got lucky that this guy had ut for a day and I managed to get my hands on it for a little while

[brave anchor]

bring a whole desktop to gaming outside :X

ok , $9999

it almost same price with a new car

[quartz atlas]

Ya'll and your $10k cars

A car costs 100k here

[subtle hawk]

I don't consider those hi-end gaming laptops a laptop

it's so heavy it'll crush your lap

I do

but the 21X is a whole another league

yeah I meant those things

my friend has a high end gaming laptop

[quartz atlas]

Still a laptop. I'm using a msi gt72 dominator myself.

[subtle hawk]

and that shit is definitely a laptop

[quartz atlas]

I can still bring it to sch and shit

So

[subtle hawk]

very light for the heat it packs

my MacBook is 1.5 kg and I still think it's super light

[mental coyote]

That kinda money, why not just pick up a portable server?

[subtle hawk]

if it weights more than 5kg it's just a portable pc at that point

compared to my old ROG latop that had like 4.7 kg with the brick

[mental coyote]

Yea. But which one could you swap more internal parts on?

[subtle hawk]

🤔

they're equal

my macbook is a 2015 retina model

[mental coyote]

That'd be why.

[subtle hawk]

so it's still somewhat ugradeable

[mental coyote]

Even pc laptops are starting to pull that non-upgradeable stuff, the thinner models.

[subtle hawk]

doe I'm chewing through its battery cycles

I don't mind that

[mental coyote]

Batteries will prolly always "suck."

[subtle hawk]

as long as battery life and perf is up to snuff

if I want upgradeability I have the desktop

[mental coyote]

That's one of the shit points on linux-side. ACPI is still a messy bastard.

[subtle hawk]

ikr

linux
battery life
pick one

[mental coyote]

As for upgrading: I am surprised noone ever tried to make a modular laptop. I know I'd fucking well save up for a lappy I could board-swap every few years.

[subtle hawk]

not me

I like thin & lights

me too

MacBook pro, Dell XPS, LG Gram, Xiaomi Mi Notebook, Microsoft Surface

[mental coyote]

Eh. I want light, I have a tablet. I'm old enough to remember the ass-end of the 70s. What's an 8lb laptop to my ancient ass?

Does it have the internal specs? Bring that shit to daddy.

[subtle hawk]

I also grew on NES and SNES games

but I'm now a person that loves to stay close to the bleeding edge of the technology

[mental coyote]

NGL, even my windoze-hating ass'd try a Surface, tho. I must admit M$ put out nice quality on those. Rumor has it, they're considering amd chips for a future series.

[subtle hawk]

indeed

also @mental coyote MS changed drastically since the new CEO is in charge

[quartz atlas]

I never bring my msi around anymore cuz of the size, weight, and horrible battery life. I would kill to have a nice ultrabook right now.

[subtle hawk]

and towards greatness

[mental coyote]

pop a r5 or r7 in one, we'd talk biz.

[quartz atlas]

Im stuck using a sucky Toshiba at work

[subtle hawk]

I won't buy that surface if the battery life is less than 6 hours

my current one lasts about 10 hours

[jade sinew]

damn windose, unplugged floppy cable from the motherboard and it crashed into bsod, LUL

[mental coyote]

Gods no. I swore off Toshiba. Last machine was a damn cheapy Tosh. Bastards expect you to cough premium for just activated virtualization in yer bios. Never again.

[subtle hawk]

wel ye @jade sinew

any Os would crash at that

PATA or SATA aren't hot pluggable on standard mobos

[mental coyote]

Yamato ain't wrong. Even 'nix-based shit will act a damn fool, then.

[subtle hawk]

I've been working with OSes and kernels for so much time I already know by memory how a pc turns on at the electronic level

I grew up in 2000s yet I'm into old 80s hardware

[jade sinew]

i tried plugging and unplugging ide and sata hdds/ cd/dvd drives and nothing was crashing

[subtle hawk]

ngl old hardware is amazing for learning the basics

[mental coyote]

Or BASIC

[subtle hawk]

nobody uses that

well not anymore

[mental coyote]

No, but it is part of computer history.

[subtle hawk]

so is FORTH and Fortran

[mental coyote]

cobol

[subtle hawk]

still used unfortunately

[mental coyote]

tell me about it.

[subtle hawk]

damn bank systems

I have a fellow sysadmin that only uses BSD for hosting

and I'm like why

why use a monolithic OS in 2018

bank systems wanting the fastest transaction codes

[mental coyote]

Heh. BSD is my side-ho'. Solid OS, but a royal bitch to run if yer trying to even somewhat keep up with newer EQ.

[subtle hawk]

those use mainframes

that run their own specialized OS

@mental coyotetry to run NGINX, Node.js, Elixir, Docker or Kubernetes on BSD

it's gonna be a PITA

and if one service fails you're fucked

while a modern OS will recover

[mental coyote]

Oh, fuck no. Hard enough to even RUN BSD on newer machines, let alone trying newer code with it.

[subtle hawk]

exactly

I'm working with modern shit

[brave anchor]

[subtle hawk]

that is way better and more secure than old legacy crap

[mental coyote]

That's the fail point; their drivers are even more behind the curve than Slack or Deb Stable. And that says a shitload.

[subtle hawk]

hey

[brave anchor]

my country bank system still using win95

[subtle hawk]

deb stable is ok

we use it in production

[brave anchor]

[mental coyote]

OK, but admit that the kernel is an old one.

[subtle hawk]

can't remember which one is on 9.6

[mental coyote]

Yer not running that on a lappy from this year, out-of-the-box.

OTOH, I used deb for a few years. Shit's bulletproof, you find gear it works well on.

[subtle hawk]

4.9.65 for debian 9.3

@mental coyote running it on a Xeon Platinum server

[mental coyote]

Should be fine on that.

[subtle hawk]

it's being a bitch with NIC drivers but the rest is gucci

[mental coyote]

Now, an inspiron 5575, with touchscreen and shit? Not happening, with any kernel less than ~4.17

[subtle hawk]

touch has always been a PITA on linux

[mental coyote]

Eh. Works pretty fine, on here. Since 4.18, at least. But, we both know mileage varies from box to box and company to company.

Dell tends to do well.

[subtle hawk]

usual problems on linux

nouveau, touch and APCI

[mental coyote]

We don't discuss nouveau. Glad I'm not rolling nvidia gpu.

[subtle hawk]

Intel/Nvidia here

[mental coyote]

Hell, remember the first year of pulseaudio? That was fun to deal with. Especially for a beats audio setup.

[subtle hawk]

NVidia isn't for Linux

[mental coyote]

Nvidia is barely for windows, let's be honest.

[subtle hawk]

or how I like to call it

novideo

lol

even doe I have 8 of their cards

Was Intel/NVidia too until AMD recently released better CPUs

ayyyymd won't buy me until it has something to beat Intel/Nvidia into the ground

also considering that Intel is about to enter the GPU war

hm yeah

it's gonna be one helluva interesting year

[mental coyote]

AMD's come up a lot, considering their r&d budget vs. intel's.

[subtle hawk]

I'll still be stuck in using a laptop for an another year or so though

[mental coyote]

Hell, wait until ARM starts hitting lap/desktop machines. That'll be interesting shit.

[subtle hawk]

Yes

Isn't chromebook ARM though

it is

well the old ones

[mental coyote]

More and more are intel chips.

[subtle hawk]

the newer ones have Intel pentiums

or U series

Pentium

[mental coyote]

Which aren't the greatest, but do shit on most arm sets.

arm's advantage is in how many cores you can stack, without significant heat issues.

imagine an octa-core tab or phone with intel or amd. that shit'd burn itself hard.

[subtle hawk]

fusion reactor

cough i9 cough

It's RISC cpu after all

lol yeah

[mental coyote]

9's are brutal, I hear. Haven't pissed with one, yet.

[subtle hawk]

x86 does really bad when it comes to embedded systems

[mental coyote]

Truuuue.

[subtle hawk]

Remember Intel Atom?

[mental coyote]

Had an EEEPC.

Also had an atom tablet, back in the lolipop days.

shit ran HOT.

[subtle hawk]

my close friend runs a i9 7980XE

god dam is that thing a hungry chip

[mental coyote]

water-cooled, wot?

[subtle hawk]

yeah

ofc

he's also a LN2 enthusiast

[mental coyote]

not air-cooling that damn thing. it'd be like Utsuho in Touhou: CAUTION ☢ CAUTION ☢ CAUTION ☢

[subtle hawk]

hey

utsuho is gud waifu

[mental coyote]

I love me some Okuu. More a Yukari man, tho.

[subtle hawk]

reimu master race

ahem

[mental coyote]

Why be the lazy hooman, when you can be the lazy youkai?

[subtle hawk]

yokai u say

http://nyamato.ban-hammered.me/i/lr8qb.png

[mental coyote]

rofl

[subtle hawk]

low-key I should try and replicate that drone

a drone body, electromagnets and a bottom and front mounted cameras

@mental coyote this is my new toy that I'm setting up

[mental coyote]

That almost looks like the business end of an all-in-one, on the bottom.

[subtle hawk]

@mental coyote u mean the air heater?

or what

[mental coyote]

(Remember: not a desktop builder.) I meant what yer monitor's sitting on.

[past bison]

thats a server case meant to be mounted in a server rack

[mental coyote]

They're thin, nowadays. Holy shit.

[subtle hawk]

not rlly

that's a 1U

most servers are 2 or 3U

meaning twice or thrice the size of this one

in height

[mental coyote]

Now, that makes sense.

[subtle hawk]

freaking a

this thing is giving me a headache

I swear if the network cable is bad

[tame topaz]

now put magnets on the damn thing https://youtu.be/4l-6qWaZpVQ

[jade sinew]

[subtle hawk]

it costs a small fortune

no ty

[mental coyote]

That's Arch. Harsh mistress, but you will learn how yer box is set up.

[tidal hill]

bought 2600x few months ago and 3000 series already looks so promising fuck

[subtle hawk]

have fun

[mental coyote]

Yea. Go fig, I almost waited a week and got yer box, instead.

[tame topaz]

Headphones sale, oh my

Feeling seriously tempted

But I still wanna save up for Ace Combat 7

[past bison]

but... good headphones for a good price...

[brave anchor]

there have few good headphone with decent price

[quartz atlas]

I personally still prefer IEMs on the go.

[brave anchor]

currently still using Razer tiamat 2:2, 4 years old still kicking good

[green umbra]

iphones banned froms sale in china?

[quartz atlas]

i've never heard of that

where did u get that from? @green umbra

[green umbra]

was in a qualcomm press release, looks like phones older than the xs

[tidal hill]

https://youtu.be/meA8TiMD2hk

[brave anchor]

Made in China , banned In China?

[quartz atlas]

this is nice

[brave anchor]

@ruby girder it Free tho

[jade sinew]

i'm using hyperx cloud stinger w/ my pc

they're cheap and good

[brave anchor]

i hope i have extra money to change headset

i like senheisser

if i have extra money , i better take G933

[jade sinew]

stinger cloud is more comfortable and better compared to my other Sennheiser hd201 or bloody g301

[brave anchor]

https://www.logitechg.com/en-roeu/products/gaming-audio/g933-7-1-surround-sound-gaming-headset.html#981-000599

[jade sinew]

i got them for free

[brave anchor]

my friend suggest me RS160

but it rare in my area

https://en-us.sennheiser.com/audiophile-headphones-wireless-digital-over-ear-rs-195
my friend using this

[past bison]

Rs195 is what I have at home for my PC when I'm not using my speakers, they are great

[subtle hawk]

@ruby girder give objective opinions please not hate speech

[brave anchor]

not so expert in those headset spec, i might go IT fair and search which suitable for me.

[subtle hawk]

give the said graphs to a person or a recommendation based on what they might need

not everyone is an audiophile

some people may not have the space and/or budget for a good separate mic

so a all in one solution is usually prefered

just like pc prebuilts or all-in-ones

there's people that spend time to build them from parts and there's people that just want a working pc

[tame topaz]

KZ ZS3?

I currently have the ATE and I love it

Too bad too much strain on the cables means it is just activating Google constantly now

[frail trout]

Razer? I used a pair of 7.1 krakens for while....things fell apart pretty quick.

Then I tried loading about 13 games at once and all the sounds hit at the same time and blew the left speaker out.

[obtuse dawn]

I should check which channel I'm in before posting

[languid saddle]

Isn't this chat a little bit dead?

[obtuse dawn]

(printf "I wonder if Discord has Racket syntax highlighting...)

That would be a "no"

I did a thing~ Because my college class said do the thing

Plotting meteors, whether they've been found or not, and size the circles in a logarithmic relationship to the mass

[subtle hawk]

that's neat

[obtuse dawn]

Only thing is Racket is Lisp-based, so (you ((get a (bunch) of ((parenthesis (all over)) the) place))))

[languid saddle]

[subtle hawk]

we'll it's lisp

ofc it has a lot of parentheses

[subtle hawk]

(I(love(function(al) programming)))

[tame topaz]

Adored...

He figured out AMD's agenda.

This leak might as well be their ploy to observe public opinion.

And all of us saying that these leaks are "too good to be true" might as well have been a self fulfilling prophecy.

Too good to be true? They'll make it so.

Congrats, everyone. You might as well have played yourself.

Oh boy.

[tidal hill]

hi guys not the best place to ask but i just bought xiaomi pocophone and i want to unlock the bootloader but i ran into this crappy problem any android experts know how to fix this?

it says device unlocked but going back into the phone it is still locked, retrying does not work and i already have debugging and OEM unlocking enabled

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz that is some next level conspiracy theory right there

@tidal hill u know

u have to unlock bootloader from the phone

not with some fake program

[tidal hill]

how do i do that

that's the official xiaomi unlocker

[subtle hawk]

OEM unlocking right there

[tidal hill]

i already have that enabled

[subtle hawk]

then you're good to go

get fastboot and adb

and flash what you want

flash TWRP and you're off to the races

but unless you wanna get rid of MIUI or get root I don't see any point @tidal hill

[tidal hill]

but doesnt that option only just allow for unlocking

and doesnt actually already unlock it?

[subtle hawk]

this ain't HTC

[tidal hill]

and yes i want to remove miui

[subtle hawk]

also u know how to use fastboot right

[tidal hill]

volume down + power?

[subtle hawk]

no no

the command line one from the pc

[tidal hill]

oh another thing

even when the phone is booted into fastboot and connected to pc

typing fastboot devices in cmd adb doesnt show the device

[subtle hawk]

but does it show in ADB

[tidal hill]

no

[subtle hawk]

fastboot and adb are completely different

[tidal hill]

tell me more

[subtle hawk]

fastboot interacts with the bootloader

adb with the OS itself

while a device might not show up in fastboot it can show up in adb

also u have the USB drivers right?

[tidal hill]

uhm not quite sure whats that

[subtle hawk]

oh boi

gimme 20-30 min and I'll guide you through the unlock

[tidal hill]

okay

[subtle hawk]

my little lab rat

[ember crest]

Did you register the device on their website?? I think that I heard somewhere that the pocophone needs registering with a phonenumber before the boot loader can be unlocked
That might also be another phone I'm thinking of though

[subtle hawk]

@ember crest yes that's the procedure for all MIUI phones

doe they have some that don't need it

[tidal hill]

yeah i registered

[ember crest]

I'm unsure then..
I wouldn't look to me for any more help though, all I'm good at is making oos fail to boot after any update

[subtle hawk]

@tidal hill alright do you have fastboot on ur pc?

[tidal hill]

not yet

[ember crest]

Oh, did you also wait 24 hours after registering?? Another not helpful thing, but I think that's also needed

[tidal hill]

i think they removed the waiting requirement

[ember crest]

I'm unsure, it was mentioned in a video I watched not too long ago
But I guess it's possible

[tidal hill]

yeah there was a linustechtips video showing you how to unlock the poco

[ember crest]

Yes, that was the one I watched

[tidal hill]

the unlocker would tell you to wait before unlocking but its not there for me

[ember crest]

Well, I guess it doesn't hurt to continue
I mean, the worst case is it's still locked and fastboot just won't let you do anything

At which point, I guess trying again in 24 hours is all I can think of to do, sorry I don't have anything else more helpful

I guess you could ask on the whatever forums

[subtle hawk]

this is how a untampered phone looks like

@tidal hill if you need to I can send you the archive with ADB and Fastboot

also remember to enable usb debugging

[tidal hill]

are those the SDK tools?

[subtle hawk]

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=746010030569952951

close to that

the SDK tools have a lot of crap you don't need

[tidal hill]

ok installed what now

[subtle hawk]

plug ur phone in and make sure usb debugging is on

[tidal hill]

does it need to be in fastboot?

[subtle hawk]

no

normal OS is fine

[tidal hill]

k then

[subtle hawk]

now @tidal hill go into a command line

and type adb devices

that should start adb and fastboot servers

then it should show your device hash and the mode it's in

[tidal hill]

unauthorized

[subtle hawk]

make sure on your phone you approve of the connection

[tidal hill]

ok now it says device

[subtle hawk]

good

now type in adb reboot bootloader

[tame topaz]

oof

[subtle hawk]

this should get you into the actual fastboot

not the download mode

[tidal hill]

ok

[subtle hawk]

ye

now in the same command line

type fastboot devices

it should show up now

same hash

only this time in fastboot mode

[subtle hawk]

hmm

run fastboot oem device-info

[tidal hill]

< waiting for any device >

[subtle hawk]

[tidal hill]

this is one troublesome phone

[subtle hawk]

one question

is your pc a ryzen machine by chance

[tidal hill]

yes

[subtle hawk]

there it is

[ember crest]

that can have something to do with it?!

[subtle hawk]

AMD Ryzen has problems with fastboot

[tidal hill]

🤦

[subtle hawk]

you need either a older AMD system

or a intel one

[tidal hill]

k time to buy intel cpu

[subtle hawk]

don't u have a friend or smth that can let u run some things for like an hour

[ember crest]

You could technically just get some suuper old used thing for like, pennies
It only needs to have usb and command line

[tidal hill]

jk i have my bro's rig

i'll try the mi unlocker first maybe that would work on his pc

[ember crest]

Why does Ryzen have issues anyway??

[tidal hill]

im bamboozled

yeah i found another forum on the pocophone

🤦

[subtle hawk]

told ya

[ember crest]

Is it all AMD CPU's or just Ryzen??

[subtle hawk]

Ryzen specific

[ember crest]

I mean, different phone but fastboot stuff works fine on FX atleast

Okay

[subtle hawk]

FX and the like are gucci

[ember crest]

aside from their other endless flaws

[tidal hill]

[tidal hill]

ok yeah there is a 72 hour waiting period

but at least i found the problem thanks @subtle hawk

[subtle hawk]

ur welcome

[ember crest]

Feel free to ask again if you need any more help!
even if I'm not very helpful, atleast Yamato is ;-;

[mental coyote]

At least you can oem unlock.

Unfortunate, since that's the one bad part about these newer us j7s.

[ember crest]

Looking at the stuff that Samsung put on the phone I had like, years ago, I'm not surprised that their phones aren't all nice and unlocked and such

[fickle crest]

I am getting my new motherboard today :poggers:

[ember crest]

🎉

[subtle hawk]

@mental coyote with Samsung the stock experience is p good

[mental coyote]

Yes. BUT, they shag you outta Adoptable Storage. 16 Gb ain't fuckall, these days. Even 32 is mediocre.

[severe falcon]

Wait are we talking about phones WITH i7s or is that 2 diff convos?

[subtle hawk]

what about i7s

[severe falcon]

Ok its 2 diff convos

I think i skipped a couple lines and it went from ryzens and i7s to samsung and i got all sorts of

[subtle hawk]

ah that

[ember crest]

I think you must've read j7s as i7s, I think the j7 is a Samsung phone

Either that or

With the fastboot cpu thing

[subtle hawk]

that was about fastboot and adb

imo the J series is potato

if ur getting a samsung phone then might as well go for S or Note

[ember crest]

I don't see me atleast ever getting a samsung phone

Like, expensive aaaa

[tidal hill]

oneplus oxygen OS is real good imo

[subtle hawk]

I don't liek 1+

[tidal hill]

wouldn't do anything to it if i bought a 1+6

y not

[subtle hawk]

idk

I just don't like it

[tidal hill]

[subtle hawk]

I like the stock Android experience

not too many customisation options

[tidal hill]

i mean of course i like that too that's why i'm removing MIUI

shittiest thing about MIUI is all the unwanted apps they include

[subtle hawk]

for me it's the design itself

material design better

[ember crest]

OOS is fine until it constantly fails updates for me and fails to boot after one, causing me to lose all data
Goodbye OOS, not going back

Also, my brother has the 1+6, I don't see why there are so many people saying it's terrible

[tidal hill]

i like 1+6 but poco gives me more for the price

i hate 1+6T coz no headphone jack

[ember crest]

My friend was literally like 'the 1+6 is terrible' and then didn't really say why
And then said that if you get a phone double the price you'll be better off

Yeah no headphone jack sucks, but also 80% of phones don't have one now

It's not exactly an exception anymore, it's norm

[tidal hill]

^sad truth

at least samsung still has a jack

good selling point for the biggest android phone manufacturer

[ember crest]

Oh, I was talking about 6t in above, just btw
I don't know, I'll stay with 3T
I don't see any point getting a better phone every year'

[tidal hill]

i am using a 3T before i got this poco

but it was given by my brother and he broke the screen real good so that's the only reason why i'm switching

i couldn't bear the cracked screen and actually went back to my 1+2 lol

[ember crest]

Cracked screens suck
But also I don't know how everyone gets them so easily, i don't take much care of my phones atall and have never gotten one

[tidal hill]

some people like the feeling of having a stock phone i guess that's why they don't protect with tempered glass and cases

[ember crest]

It's so dumb though

[tidal hill]

but for me i'm taking no chances i'm waiting for my poco glass package to arrive before i take it out of the house

in the meantime back to my 1+2

[severe falcon]

You have to have a pretty good case and luck though

[ember crest]

I just literally throw a case on my phone and forget about it

[tidal hill]

btw have you guys seen that iphone titanium case

[severe falcon]

Landing on the corner isa death sentence for your phone

[ember crest]

Is it £1000 too??

[tidal hill]

it works but it's pretty stupid looking and stupid expensiveimho

[severe falcon]

But it also will hit WAY harder

[tidal hill]

dumb part is that the case isn't scuff proof itself, even if it protects the phone it won't retain its elegance

[severe falcon]

Like i know titanium is a light metal but wrapping it around a phone is still gonna add quite a bit of weight to it

[mental coyote]

Yer not necessarily wrong, Yamato. I prolly should just go hardcore, next phone. I'd not need or want to upgrade for years.

[severe falcon]

I kinda wish windows phone survived cuz i had one and it was pretty good

[ember crest]

Looking at the rest of what Microsoft are doing, I'm glad it didn't

Good or not

[tidal hill]

5G connectivity coming next year though, might want to hold off upgrading

[mental coyote]

5g will take a dog's age to roll out, just like 4g did.

[tidal hill]

around a couple years for it to become mainstream, if you don't wanna upgrade for years that's a factor for consideration

[severe falcon]

Could be worse, it could go as slow as ipv6

[tidal hill]

best to wait till it gets released and tests are out

don't want the same thing to happen with nvidia RTX cards

[ember crest]

I don't mind waiting for upgrading
Don't need to join the 'aaaa there's a notch why' club
Like, noone complained at just smaller screens, soo

[past bison]

5g will most likely be restricted to single carriers per sku the first generations just like with 3g and 4g when they were new

[tidal hill]

that sucks

i remember when i was a kid i'm like "damn, 3G is fast i don't need 4G" and trying 3G again now i'm like nope can't use it anymore

[past bison]

compared to 2g, 3g is very fast

[tidal hill]

indeed

back then i only watched 720p videos on youtube and i thought 720p was great

needs have since changed

[severe falcon]

Anyone know if nokia android phones are any good?

[tidal hill]

just watched a vid on nokia 8 yesterday

can't say how good it is till i've tried one for myself, but nokia is nonexistent in my country in this age

[severe falcon]

Do they still have it where you can add a microSD to it?

Or did nokia realize it was breaking the unspoken rule of giving too much power to the user

[tidal hill]

yes