technology

[mental coyote]

Depending on the brand, Android's no different on pricing.

[scarlet belfry]

samsung tab S9 or S8 plus/Ultra

[wispy nova]

Ok, thank you. That's a nice start

[inner tusk]

wait I am curious whats the reason to own a tablet ???

[full moon]

number 1 reason I can think of is to watch movies in bed

[crystal sonnet]

bought this on sale so I just yolo it. Dramless so it kinda sucks, but I am using it for a game archive drive anyway

[full moon]

dramless doesn't matter as much as it used to since modern computers use NVMe's HMB

[scarlet belfry]

this is one of the best without dram

[crystal sonnet]

70 quid well spent

[lyric thicket]

bois

my new car has RGB

it is a real car for real gamers

PS: its the Chevy Equinox EV 2LT

[hexed citrus]

that is such a useless gimmick

I love it

[lyric thicket]

I was teeheeing a lot when I found the setting

[inner tusk]

bruh I lowkey thought it was a Mercedes

[inner tusk]

how is the quality of chevy ???

[lyric thicket]

The QL is insane. There are so many little things to appreciate. The infotainment system is awesome but you can also customize your dash as well.... I can have google maps next to my speedometer so if someone wants to fuck with spotify/r adio etc, I can still see the maps...

So far the touch and feel is amazing nothing give me the impression that it was an after thought or that is was cheap.

Sport mode will go 0-60mph in 5.7 seconds. It's not setting records at the track but for an SUV that's quick.

On top of all this I've already found a broken lv3 charger that gives out free charges if you just follow specific steps...

[lyric thicket]

Last picture of my car i swear..... today is her first day at work.

PS: her name is Raijin

[white obsidian]

So they finally fixed all the bugs in the infotainment stack? Heard at the beginning it was crashy as heck.

Me.. I'll just enjoy my Rav4 PHEV. No worries about charging, just as fast lol.

[lyric thicket]

No bugs so far but I've only been driving it for 3 days.

[white obsidian]

Lots of glitches last year on the models. https://electrek.co/2024/01/03/more-bad-buzz-for-chevy-blazer-evs-software-glitches-doors-that-fly-open/

Glad yours seems fixed though.

[lyric thicket]

Praying it stays that way lol

[inner tusk]

oh quality I mean like do the parts functions and such ??? I always heard chevy ha a bad reputation of bad quality like windows not working, leathers peeling off, seat remote not working, etc

[lyric thicket]

That has not been my experience, my gf has a 2017 cruise and other than some piston issues around 18k miles the car has been rock solid. Overall build quality in that car too has been excellent.

As far as mine goes it's top notch.

[inner tusk]

Good to know. Been looking for a new vehicle. I usually always go with Japanese brand but now they cost as much as a new house now.

[white obsidian]

Idk my Rav4 PHEV was 40k usd

plus EV rebates

[hexed citrus]

I was also thinking of getting a rav4 as well

[lyric thicket]

Everyone i know with a rav4 is very happy. But there were no good deals on one within 200 miles of me lol!

[crystal sonnet]

Ok chaps, need to ask.

I have a drive whose partition cannot be read on the os but the disk can still be read after around 10 seconds of plugging in before it dismounts itself and the PCB gets hot.
Is there a way to at least read the data? because I want to clone it to my new drive.

[hexed citrus]

no, you'll need to either fix the PCB or do a transplant

either way it's a expensive data recovery

[crystal sonnet]

The HDD PCB itself is more expensive than the drive itself brand new (which is... maddeningly laughable considering it's a very old 160 gig one).

the mechanical parts are still working so that's the bright side.

guess gotta pull out the old trick finding the data on my older drive then

and I was about to throw it out anyway

[full moon]

https://fixvx.com/uwukko/status/1842454799519736287
It’s never been as over as it is right now

[mental coyote]

Best part about open source... someone will fork it. Hell, folk already have.

[proven walrus]

Mozilla has been dead to me for over a decade, when they kept breaking core add-ons for Firefox because they wanted to be like chrome. Removing support for legacy extensions and not replacing it with anything was the final straw. Mozilla leadership has been walking down this path for a very long time. Today, Firefox is just literally Chrome, but worse. More compatibility issues because no one uses Firefox, and the same extension store. Besides the thin veil of privacy you think using an easily fingerprintable browser gives you, is there any reason to use Mozilla over one of the other chrome derivatives?

The future of browsers is probably ladybird. A real ground up effort to make a functional browser. It's not ready for prime time, but once it's halfway decent I'm jumping ship to ladybird.

[full moon]

Many reasons, actually

1. Customization, I can’t delete UI elements by editing CSS
2. Functional Adblock
3. You should just give up is a terrible reason
4. Far more support for customizing the browser in general through the use of config flags
5. This isn’t a reason but I’ve never had a compatibility issue with a site except on Chrome-like browsers (Hetzner springs to mind)

You cite comparability as a reason to use Chrome-like but then bring up a browser I have actually managed to never hear of until this point, so which one is it?

Compatibility or not?

[mental coyote]

Chrome-alikes dominating the market brings back memories of when IE ran most of the 'net. I'd think folk learned their lesson from that shit, but nope.

[full moon]

Love me Firefox, simple as

[full moon]

[ashen zodiac]

It feels like every hybrid Toyota vehicle is on a wait list. RAV4 Hybrid and RAV4 Prime are on long lists. Only thing not-hybrid on that list is the GR Corolla lol.

[white obsidian]

iOS 18 phone mirroring is pretty nice.

lol doing the monday morning grind right now in the background

[ashen zodiac]

yea ive been using samsung dex for that reason... to play games off my phone lol

[hexed citrus]

well for me it's either a decked out RAV4 or a hybrid Cayenne

[proven walrus]

It's not a one size solution. Mozilla hasn't been interested in actually delivering what users want. There used to be a pretty robust ecosystem for extensions, until Mozilla repeatedly murdered it by throwing their devs under the bus multiple times over a decade. I watched the developers of some of the most useful and amazing extensions all quit over decisions Mozilla made. You've only brought up a single extension. For ad blocking. That's pathetic, compared with how many extensions there used to be, and how powerful they used to be. I'm surprised you didn't bring up noscript, since that's the only genuinely unique and useful extension Firefox has over chrome.

Customization is overrated. Especially in Firefox. I don't trust the CSS customization isn't going to break during Mozilla's next short sighted changes to chase whatever chrome does. They've broken my browser too many times. Plus, you can get custom CSS with Vivaldi and other chrome derivatives. Besides, stylish works on chrome too, and that's where most of the value in CSS customization is. The really useful things like changing tab opening and closing positions isn't part of the core browser, and whatever extensions allow you to change that get constantly broken. At least that's been my experience using Firefox for almost two decades. I gave up on Mozilla a long time ago.

I'm bringing up ladybird not as a "you should switch to this" browser, but as a "this is where the future is" browser. Firefox will never take back market share from Chrome as long as they spend most of their effort trying to catch up to Google. That's the game Google wants them to play. It's a game they've been losing for well over a decade. I believe ladybird is different. It's a chance to do things differently, to actually run a successful project where the goal isn't being slightly better than chrome. But the goal is to build a genuinely better browser, in a sustainable way that can compete with a trillion dollar mega company that can burn copious amounts of money.

Mozilla lost my trust by refusing to actually do what their community needed and wanted, since back during the Firefox 4.0 days. Their management org has a history of this, like killing netscape navigator by doing a code rewrite when it was a horrible idea. That's what eventually birthed Firefox. A management project so bad it killed their previous company. Mozilla is simply doomed. They don't have the management to succeed, and they don't have the technical chops to actually maintain their browser's custom features that make it worth using over a chrome derivative.

Don't misread me. I don't want the internet to be pure chrome. It's horrible, and it gives Google too much power. I'm rooting for more antitrust lawsuits against Google. But Mozilla isn't a solution. It's settling for a company that's been in Google's pocket for a long long time. A company with a track record of making bad decisions and bleeding out users to their competitors. That's not the company you want making important decisions about the future of the web. So right now, I'm placing multiple bets. One is that other companies contributing to chome will force Google to start making consessions or risk an actual competitive chromium fork. Remember that chrome started out as a fork. So the more chrome derivatives we have, the higher the chance that actually happens.

My second bet is on ladybird. A new browser from the ground up sounds insane, but I think they've got a genuine shot at making it work. If that happens, it'll be the first true rendering engine and JS engine since, well, a long time. And it's not going to have the same complicated multi-tiered OSS license nightmare that makes chrome such a pain to maintain. If a single team can even get close to making a performant modern browser engine, it would be a literal game changer for browsers. It's a long shot, but it's the best chance for actual changes in the browser space, so I'm supporting it wherever I can.

[full moon]

I wanted to say tl;dr but I actually did read it

[proven walrus]

And yes, that's a long post. I've actually looked into the OSS licenses behind Chrome. I'm a senior software dev, and I know my tech. Firefox can't ever beat chrome. Ever. Ladybird isn't a viable browser, but it's the best chance we have at a real chrome replacement. None of the other browser projects have a real shot at replacing chrome for anything other than tech enthusiasts.

I'm rooting for ladybird because I really don't like chrome. Never have.

[full moon]

Was EdgeHTML actually technically a new browser engine or was it just “this totally isn’t just Trident”

Cause I don’t think I ever bothered checking

Either way it’s dead now

[proven walrus]

You know, I'm not actually sure. I get the feeling that it was just a rebrand, knowing how Microsoft operates.

[full moon]

Oh it was a fork of Trident

So technically new but also not

[proven walrus]

Yeah, it was one of those "alright, I'll wait and see" kind of things, but it died before I ever looked into it seriously. Which explains pretty much everything about Microsoft's browser plan.

Yeah, that's how most tech is. New stuff built over top of the old.

Which is why I'm so excited for ladybird. I don't think anyone has tried a full ground up implementation of a browser since Firefox 1.0

Which was before even my time.

I'm sure they'll make lots of stupid mistakes that end up causing problems, but that's life. Not having to remember which OSS license your software is under for that specific file, and not needing to do weird hacks to keep the licenses from colliding sounds like a major win, even if the actual performance is still bad. Just having something to work on would be a big leap forward.

[full moon]

Gecko is actually quite a bit older than that, Firefox just reused Navigator’s

[proven walrus]

Heck, the biggest problem is that we don't even have browser specs anymore. Modern browsers are just "whatever chrome does", even Firefox. And that's horrible.

[full moon]

Gecko is the oldest of the big 3 actually

[proven walrus]

Wasn't webkit actually the newest? That's the original tech behind safari and chrome.

[full moon]

WebKit is the 2nd oldest

Blink is very new

[proven walrus]

Wait, IE is technically the newest?

[full moon]

WebKit dates to 2001

EdgeHTML was 2015

Gecko I want to say 1998

Blink is 2013idh

[proven walrus]

Ah, are we counting rewrites and renames, or not?

Like, blink was still heavily based on webkit. It's not anywhere close now days, but back then it was basically fancy webkit.

[full moon]

Well WebKit was a fork of KHTML basically the first good browser engine

[proven walrus]

I guess we've stumbled into philosophy. At what point does a fork become different from the original?

I'm not sure I have a good answer to that. Sometimes, like with Jenkins/Jeeves, the "fork" was really just a move to keep doing the same stuff, but without the bad parts of old company management. (Thanks Oracle)

[full moon]

Funny how Oracle Linux is the best thing Oracle ever did

[proven walrus]

But other times, a fork is actually trying to do something different.

[full moon]

Only free product they ever made too

[proven walrus]

Don't get me started on the only time I've ever interfaced with an oracle product.

They know Linux has to be free. The real money is with the support contracts anyways.

Oh god, I'm looking at that Oracle code, and apparently I didn't have my spell checker installed. There's typos everywhere.

It's perfect for such a disaster.

[full moon]

Oracle at least knows they’re money grabbers

Oracle Linux support costs money. If you just want the software, it's 100% free. And it's all in our yum repo at yum.oracle.com. Major releases, errata, the whole shebang. Free source code, free binaries, free updates, freely redistributable, free for production use. Yes, we know that this is Oracle, but it's actually free. Seriously.

[proven walrus]

The oracle oAuth code explicitly violates RFC 3986, and all common sense.
https://stackoverflow.com/a/18347870

[full moon]

Browser engines were a mistake return to Lynx

[proven walrus]

I figure Oracle is actually run by geniuses. First, they pay cheap contractors to make a giant mess of a codebase that's impossible to work with. So they save money there. Next, they hire grubby salespeople to negotiate with big businesses that can't make good product decisions. They sell cheap products with big marketing hype, that are cheap up front because they have huge long tail contracts. There's lots of dumb businesses chasing short term profits, so that's easy. Finally, Oracle hands the mess to your technical team, and now your company pays triple for those same cheap contractors to give you crappy support for the mess they created.

If it weren't so evil, it's actually an amazing business model, as long as you can always find businesses chasing quarterly profits. Repugnant, but brilliant.

[full moon]

One
Rich
Asshole
Called
Larry
Ellison

[proven walrus]

There's practically zero downside, as long as you're willing to sell your morals. Every part of their business is cheap, with huge profit margins, besides the lawyers that trap you in a decade long contract. Then when you realize you can't migrate away from their mess without their help, you get stuck in another contract and the cycle repeats. If they sniff you trying to leave, then they hike the prices and pull your support. Evil, but very profitable to exploit companies making bad decisions.

I hate Oracle just as much as the next guy, especially now that I've touched one of their products and actually seen it for myself, but I can't be too angry that they're exploiting business rather than individual people. In some weird backwards way, it's more moral than most other companies that exploit individual people. I still hate Oracle though.

[full moon]

For what it’s worth, Oracle Cloud has the best free VPSes, they’re just ARM only.

[proven walrus]

It's kinda weird how big companies do things that go against their normal processes.

Like, Microsoft is actually the biggest app publisher on Android. At least they were the last time I checked.

Unrelated, but learning to properly use git rebase -i and cherry-pick has been a game changer. I actually feel like I now can use git to speed up my work and keep organized, rather than it basically being a checkbox I need to fill out before my work gets deployed.

I think the only command I can't use fluently is now bisect, but I don't really need it while working with this codebase.

[hexed citrus]

those are basically the big boy tools you whip out when you've screwed up some workflow

granted it very much depends on what branching and merging strategy your project/company/team uses

the nuclear options would be git reset and git push --force

[proven walrus]

Is it wrong that I use git reset hard as part of my usual workflow? Never force push though.

And yeah, since we have only a few developers, and I'm one of the primary contributors, I've just never needed to use git to tell me when a bug was introduced. Either it's been there since 2007 when the codebase was written, or I probably introduced it within the last few weeks. There's very little in between.

[hexed citrus]

uh depends

[full moon]

The only thing I use git for is a fork of a PowerShell script edited to work properly on PowerShell on Linux

I edited it mind you

Wasn’t that hard

Just had to switch hardcoded \ to /

[odd juniper]

any recommendation on a 4k 10bit tv? I had a philips the one before, but it got destroyed.
had 4k, 10bit hdr support, 120hz, dolby vision and android tv
Philips The One (43PUS8807) - Ambilight (2022)

Was thinking about a samsung neo qled Samsung Neo QLED 65QN90C (2023) since it's cheaper because it's a older model

nothing oled please, i dont want the headache of any chance of burnins

[glossy patrol]

Take a look at LG's C lineup
They're pretty great, though I can't comment on value as I have not the reference there
I know LG also have some other lineups but again, also not knowledgeable on them
I personally have a CX which I love, but it's a bit old at this point and there's shit like the C3 available now

[full moon]

I thought OLED burn in was fixed for years now

[hexed citrus]

it was

[odd juniper]

you can delay burn-in with pixel shifting and other means but it'll eventually happen since oled is a organic material which degrades over time, the question is only. When.
I can get like a 5 year warranty on the tv to prevent any issues with that , but I don't want to start that entire process to begin with the small chance if it happens.

[hexed citrus]

I have yet to see any burn in on my 8K TV

[odd juniper]

yesyes I know most people will be fine with it. Heavily depends on the use case too.
I just dont wanna bother with the technology.

[full moon]

Cursory Google search has shown me manufacturers claim it doesn’t happen anymore but it’s still worse than ever

[full moon]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/11/windows_update_cleanup/

Windows 11 grows in size by nearly 9GB after an update
you literally can't do anything about it
Sasuga, Microsoft

[hexed citrus]

it's not, that's mad cope

modern oled is nowhere near the failure of the first generation panels

[ruby yarrow]

And this is why I stubbornly refuse to upgrade my Win10 to 11 here

[full moon]

The real cope is people claiming Plasma is good

[hexed citrus]

tru

[full moon]

Just use Linux like me and get an entirely new set of new and interesting problems instead

[ruby yarrow]

Yeah, the problem is I'm not that much of a computer programmer, or coder for that matter

[full moon]

Neither am I

I just know how to fix stuff

But I still don’t recommend it to be clear

[unborn oxide]

oh yea btw, how do i install those appstore updates on al?

[full moon]

You have to download the IPA again

[fossil sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/MarkGComedyUK/status/1846609239986589892

[full moon]

Artists finally bullied off Twitter

[full moon]

I wonder how many script kiddies scripts my website breaks by serving an actual png as the 404 error page, instead of HTML

[hexed citrus]

not many, because you're also serving the MIME type of image/png or smth similar

[ruby yarrow]

I wonder if those artists would wander back onto Tumblr now if that's the case.

Also, instead there like an Opt Out for that, or no?

[cosmic lichen]

Okay maybe not like that

[rose quartz]

I've seen one artist on Tumblr start full time using Tumblr instead of just having it as an archive.

So yeah some will.

[rose quartz]

There was one before, but they removed it.

[ruby yarrow]

Nature is finally healing itself I see

[rose quartz]

I've started getting back into doing art recently, and because of all the stuff with Twitter and some other sites, I personally use Tumblr.

Besides, I'd never touch Twitter anyway.

Not even with a 39 and a half foot pole.

[white obsidian]

Every platform has it's flaws, but the end of the open APIs to access all of them was basically my last straw.

everyone wants you on their platform, and that's it.

I don't soapbox much, but if X became a fediverse instance (by default, with full export) that'd be amazing. Even more so if they developed really good self controlled (even ai driven) userland content curation tools.

[full moon]

So I just found out Bluesky block lists are public and that’s the worst feature I’ve ever heard of in my life

[vagrant holly]

Why?

Also who the fuck would you even want to block on Bluesky, it's the chillest social media right now

[glossy patrol]

Really torn on what to do when the 9800X3D drops. I'm planning to buy essentially a whole new system come Black Friday, but can't decide between the 7800X3D when it goes on sale, or waiting it out longer to see how the 9800X3D is (as by Black Friday it'd only be like a month old)

[hexed citrus]

wait

also you won't probably get it on black friday

bcz it's most likely to release post BF

[glossy patrol]

I guess I'll just have to wait and see then, which sucks, as I hate being unable to plan
I think I'm going to stick to the 7900 GRE/XT as my possible GPU though

[hexed citrus]

I'm waiting for 9900X3D and 5090

[glossy patrol]

Tempted by NVidia, but fuck paying an extra £300-£400 just so I can have minimum 16GB of memory, while performing worse outside of RT

[hexed citrus]

not really worse, the VRAM also depends on what resolution you'll be playing at

[glossy patrol]

Any GPU I'm considering has to be 16GB minimum, so for AMD that's down all the way to the 7700XT (IIRC), but for NVIdia 16GB starts at the 4070Ti Super, which costs £300+ more over a 7900 GRE with 16GB, and £200-£300 more over a 7900XT with 24GB

In the case of the 7900 GRE Vs the 4070Ti Super, I'd be paying £300+ for just RT and other NVidia features, rather than any actual performance gain outside of those features, which I don't think I can justify

Also undecided on monitor, though I'm very tempted to get Alienware's UW QD-OLED (without the G-Sync module)

[hollow glade]

guys should i delete my system32 for more freespace?

[full moon]

Meanwhile my computer problems are “I need a new video card but also mine works perfectly for what I do” and “my server UPS needs $150 worth of batteries”

[hexed citrus]

using a office UPS for ur servers doesn't make it a server UPS

[full moon]

Oh no you misunderstand it’s a server UPS

[hexed citrus]

what kind of server UPS only takes 150$ worth of lead batteries

[full moon]

I don’t know what I did with the front plate I took it off awhile ago to check the batteries with my multimeter

[full moon]

A 2U 1500W one

[hexed citrus]

what is that, a eaton?

[full moon]

Cyberpower

[hexed citrus]

ah well that explains it

[full moon]

It’s literally the highest wattage 120V/15A UPS you can buy

[hexed citrus]

yeah cyberpower is mid at best

I have eaton and APC rack UPSes that take up about 10U worth of space

[full moon]

Well those aren’t 120V/15A so not that useful for me

[hexed citrus]

to replace the batteries in those I need smth like 2000$

why 120V/15A specifically, do you backfeed it into the house wiring?

[full moon]

Because houses are wired at 120V/15A sir

[hexed citrus]

yeah but you're not plugging the output of it to the house wiring

so your UPS can input that but output smth like 220V

[full moon]

1. Why wouldn’t I
2. Why would I want my UPS to output 220V

[hexed citrus]

lower amperage through the cables

meaning less resistance and less heat

meaning more efficient

[full moon]

That doesn’t really matter when the cables are rated for thousands of watts and I’m putting less than 300 through them

And you’re just moving the heat source to the UPS because now it’s transforming 120V into 220V

[hexed citrus]

not really, transformers are highly efficient at converting the volts and amps up or down

because energy-wise you're carrying the same amount

120V/15A and 240V/7.5A are the same

[cloud oar]

okay quick question i have always played Azur Lane via LDPlayer on Windows but have now switched to Linux has anyone here managed to get Azur lane to run on Linux ?

[white obsidian]

have you tried waydroid?

[cloud oar]

I couldn't get it to work

[white obsidian]

x86 pc right?

how far did you get?

and what distro?

[cloud oar]

i use endeavouros

[white obsidian]

Okay so arch basically

[cloud oar]

the problem is that I can't switch to GNOME

[cloud oar]

yes

[white obsidian]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Waydroid ?

[cloud oar]

I have already tried that I cannot boot into Linux-Zen

[white obsidian]

lol time to compile a kernel then 😛

[cloud oar]

How do I do that? I am new to Linux xD

[white obsidian]

Okay why can't you boot the zen kernel? seems compatible with the right grub switches

also what gpu?

[cloud oar]

so when I boot it suggests EndevourOS Linux-Zen and when I select it I see a wall of code and at the end it hangs with cannot enable: Maybe the usb cable is bad

[cloud oar]

RTX3080

[white obsidian]

okay waydroid isn't supported w/ nvidia

[cloud oar]

nice and what do I do then?

[white obsidian]

lemme think. qemu ?

[cloud oar]

could work I'll give it a try

[white obsidian]

not sure how well it virtualizes the graphics stack though

[cloud oar]

I have also just found Genymotion, maybe that would also be something

[white obsidian]

written for windows, but the steps should be the same on linux qemu. https://guanzhang.medium.com/running-android-games-on-windows-10-11-4eea9be9a06b

[full moon]

After literal weeks of struggle the only reliable way I got Azur Lane to run in nvidia Linux was to run a Windows VM and run BlueStacks on that

[cloud oar]

okay that's not good

[full moon]

VirtualBox’s GPU performs better than QEMU’s if you decide to do that
It’s suitable for auto battle but the FPS will be around 20 most of the time

[cloud oar]

thats...not really what i am aiming for

[glossy patrol]

Azur Lane I 99.9% idle grinding so heavily reduced performance shouldn't be much of a bother
However yeah, have fun with that 3080

[cloud oar]

I still have an old RX380x lying around here, could I install it in my PC and use it?

[full moon]

If you can install 2 GPUs in your system you could passthrough the 2nd one to be used by the QEMU VM

[full moon]

CPU only emulation of AL on Linux be like

[cloud oar]

I got it Azur Lane running on Waydroid with Nvidia GPU

that was such bullshit

but I got it done

[full moon]

Closest I got was Azur Lane immediately crashing on launch

[white obsidian]

anything we need to note? While I have a nice (headless) linux server, I mostly use my mac (so playcover)

[cloud oar]

far too much for me to write here - it would be half a bible

[cloud oar]

it shows me the typical this device is not supported and crap but i used the Waydroid extra scripts and then it worked xD

i think i've been working on this shit for over 20 hours now xD

[full moon]

Oh so you were just lucky

Got it

All you did was install libhoudini and it worked

[white obsidian]

still interested - link 'extra scripts'?

[cloud oar]

https://github.com/casualsnek/waydroid_script

ah and Internet was also a bit tricky

[full moon]

All it does is automate installing libhoudini

[cloud oar]

ey it worked for me xD

[full moon]

Yeah none of that is the issue I’m having. Azur Lane just crash loops, it’ll download about 10 megabyte then crash

Repeat times infinity

[white obsidian]

thanks.

[white obsidian]

ndk might be important if parts of azur lane are arm code (native dev kit)

houdini is apparently another ndk translator though

[white obsidian]

platform details?

[full moon]

Ryzen 5600, GTX 1080, Fedora 40

[white obsidian]

waydroid isn't a fan of nvidia gpus

[full moon]

Yeah that’s just the beginning of the conversation again

[white obsidian]

Yeah lol.

[glossy patrol]

The day of my first proper computer upgrade/build approaches and I'm so anxious because of how much I'll be spending 😭

[odd juniper]

what u gonna do on the pc? If it's just league or some shit it won't be that much

[hexed citrus]

I can't decide on the last pc parts until the CPU and GPU come out

[glossy patrol]

Hoping 9800X3D releases very early November

[hexed citrus]

I'm going for 9900X3D which releases around the same time as the 5090

so waiting until CES

[glossy patrol]

IDK if I'll go 9800X3D, though it depends on how far it bumps down the 7800X3DD

[hexed citrus]

if you already have a 7800X3D there's no point

the upgrade is a small one

[glossy patrol]

I have a 6800K lol

[hexed citrus]

ayyy, same

actually wait

8700K on mine

[glossy patrol]

Only found one other person with a 6800K

[hexed citrus]

mine rlly starts to show its age

I also need to get a pair of new monitors for it

[glossy patrol]

Same

Though at times it's hard to tell if it's my GPU or my CPU
Main game that drives me nuts is Mechwarrior Online

[hexed citrus]

for me it's MSFS

and ik that the CPU is dying since it lags when it has too much shit on screen to track

[white obsidian]

Heh it's almost time to update my pixelbook, 8gb and an 7th gen i5 isn't really cutting it anymore if I do anything intense.

But it's such a nice screen and slick lightweight machine still.

Just chokes on vs builds and qgis...

Thinking about the Framework 13 w/ AMD, but it's only a 7840U

[glossy patrol]

"Only"

[white obsidian]

well it's a year old at this point. If I'm gonna get a new rig I want it to last a while.

so ryzen ai 300 and hopefully camm2 ram modules

Would like to jump back onto the x86/linux side, but heh a MBP w/ a M4 could work too

[full moon]

Man I bought a 5600 in January so I could keep using DDR4

[ashen zodiac]

Damn. Apple made a Magic Mouse with USB-C

Charge port still at the bottom.

[full moon]

Well yeah you’re intended to charge it when you’re not using it, makes sense

Otherwise idiots would keep it plugged in all the time

[hexed citrus]

it makes absolutely no sense

[full moon]

it's not intended to be used as a wired mouse, so there's no reason to make it usable wired

[hexed citrus]

every other bloody mouse on the market that the plug from the front to charge while using it

[full moon]

and unlike every other rechargable mouse, you only need to charge it once a month so

idk what the big deal is

[hexed citrus]

so if it runs out of battery in the middle of my work day what am I supposed to do, call it in? "sorry guys, I can work today, my magic mouse needs to charge"

[full moon]

you should have planned ahead because it'll tell you to charge it about 3-4 days before it dies

so yeah literal skill issue

even at 10% it'll be good for literally days

and it prompts to charge at 20% based on what my uncle's told me

[hexed citrus]

that is just blind depending a bad design

[full moon]

"hmmm my mouse told me to charge it a week ago and I ignored it, and now it's dead how could this happen to me"

people who would buy the Magic Mouse don't care where the port is or that it's not usable wired

people who care about that wouldn't buy an Apple mouse even if it was usable wired to begin with

it's two entirely separate circles of people

[hexed citrus]

it's not

it's just stupid design from apple that wasn't updated in over a decade because why waste money on it

[full moon]

my uncle thinks it's perfectly acceptable that he has to charge his headphones twice a day despite spending over $700 on them less than 3 years ago. Apple people don't care. You won't ever get them to care.

To them this is perfectly fine

All you can do is laugh at the idiocy

[mental coyote]

And people wonder why Apple gets called the Fruit Cult. Shit like this. But, what can I expect from a corp that shat out a $3000 monitor with a matching $1000 stand? Let alone their VR headset.

My own issue with 'em is that, when they pull some goofy shenanigans, other OEMs rush to be just like 'em. Thin, hard to repair laptops? Started with the Fruit Cult. Removing phone headphone jacks to hock pricey earbuds? Fruit Cult.

[ruby yarrow]

Rather have a corded headset than trust those Bluetooth headsets

[mental coyote]

Even funnier is when these same OEMs pushing unrepairable e-waste earbuds turn around and remove charging bricks from phone packaging because "the environment." Bitch, please. One set of good wired headphones can last years. Some of these earbuds, yer lucky to have working right for a year.

[glossy patrol]

Just have a headset that can do both, or all three; wired, Bluetooth, 2.4 dongle

Wireless headphones/earphones are fantastic at times

[hexed citrus]

I have regular headphones that I use for my laptop and desktop

for phone I use a pair of wireless earbuds

[vagrant holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558812288484900874/1299850694248890439/RDT_20241004_1937013379078093337795911.png?ex=6721ff8b&is=6720ae0b&hm=63db8f62abc94537e45b21ed51c3d2b3a3284a711a0e9ff36debfdfd79d4561f&

[hexed citrus]

🐌

[white obsidian]

eh that's actually because of regulation

[white obsidian]

no dongle but my B&W are pretty fantastic in wired or BT

[hexed citrus]

no lmao

the lack of brick is because of Apple

they're the ones that started the trend

because it's easier to upsell you the brick then include a decent one with the phone

[full moon]

They also recognize most people already have a wall brick to begin with.

Yes it was to save money on shipping costs but it’s also to avoid manufacturing millions of power bricks that go right into the landfill without ever being used

[ruby yarrow]

Funny thing I managed to save some of those wall bricks you call them as chargers for my phone and my PS controller as well

[full moon]

Yeah last time I bought a phone that came with a charger I just threw it away because I had 0 use for it

[ruby yarrow]

The thing is one of my chargers is a Rapid Charger, so I kind of kept using that one, and shelved the other

Although now everything seems to be going to USB-C brick chargers now

[full moon]

Yeah for me it’s like, no phone is ever going to come with a $30 GaN charger so I’d rather they just didn’t include one at all

[glossy patrol]

Okay, but you are not everybody, hence why it's shitty
Phones should be forced to provide a charger and cable that provide the spec'd charging wattage to meet the device's advertised speeds and actually allow the device to function

Or provide people with the option of yes or no charger at checkout - best of both worlds

[full moon]

The version that comes with a charger will also coincidentally cost exactly as much more as the charger would retail for and we both know it

[mental coyote]

Hell, the usual argument for removing headphone jacks is to keep IP ratings. Meanwhile, Sony's Xperia phones have both the jack and IP ratings. Hmm...

OEMs bullshit consumers. It's just that simple. Unfortunately, most consumers don't twig on to this fact.

[full moon]

Honestly Apple removing the 3.5mm jack was VERY funny, because their excuse was they needed the space, right? Do you know what they used that space for in the iPhone 8? Nothing. Like there was just an empty void that would have fit the jack inside the phone

Apple with the galaxy brain, the power button on the M4 Mac Mini is… on the bottom. You have to lift it up to hit the power button.

[white obsidian]

I need more 100PD GAN wall warts

[glossy patrol]

And if it does, even that's okay, though in an ideal world there would be a small fee for the charger

[hexed citrus]

yes, it should be a small upcharge for the charger that is to spec for the device

like if I have a 200W PD charger then obv I don't need another power brick, but if I don't have one I'd like to get a charger that can do the max charging of the device and not the gimped 10W charging of regular USB

[full moon]

https://www.techpowerup.com/328356/microsoft-offers-usd-30-windows-10-security-extension-for-home-users oh man Windows 11 take up rate must be garbage

[valid sky]

I just got myself 205W Charger

Now i dont need anything else

I can charge all my devices and laptops

[white obsidian]

Firm 'nope' here. 1) will need new HW, the win box is a perfectly fine i7-7700k and gf1080. 2) I don't need ads in my OS, thanks. 3) win10 iot ltsc 4) between qemu and external gpus, I've been able to do just about everything virtual. I might upgrade my pixelbook to a framework in the next few years, but it sure ain't running windows by default.

[full moon]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/science/voyager-1-phones-home-after-43-years-using-1981-tech-across-15-billion-miles/amp_articleshow/114875351.cms

Pog

[grizzled panther]

Might be a little off topic but I tend to believe that Windows 11 is the better option at this point assuming you have a good PC for it. Nothing really justifies having Windows 10 installed for me anymore. Ads and bloatware have been a part of Windows for a long time, before Windows 11 even existed. Microsoft didn't start this now or last year, they were like this since ever. They never aimed to have a Linux-like OS. In Microsoft's opinion, your OS must be as friendly as possible. Apple shares that same mindset. Simplicity over privacy and freedom.

I see a lot of people claiming that Mint and Zorin are the best distros for those disappointed Windows users. Yes, some Windows users will find comfort with distros that resemble Windows, but in the end, some of those users will always go back to Windows for one reason or another. Also it's very wrong to tell people to uninstall Windows completely and accept Linux in their lives. Going from Windows to Linux is simple but going from Linux to Windows isn't as simple. It's not just install Ventoy and make the bootable USB, what they don't tell you is that in some cases Windows refuses to install and if it refuses to install your only option is to get a bootable USB from a Windows machine.

Windows has, for example, the simplicity that Linux cannot offer. An advanced user doesn't fear the terminal, but an average user does.
Average users don't buy the "just [insert how to do X thing on Linux] and it will work", at best they rent it and then they want to go back to Windows because they find it more convenient or because they find out that they followed an outdated guide and no one wrote an updated version. Lol

Just my opinion anyways. To each their own. IMO though, just get W11, it's not that bad. AI, legal spyware and all that stuff you dislike is everywhere these days and if you think you're safe just because you installed Linux you're wrong, you can't escape, there's no escape, sadly.

[full moon]

Microsoft made the entirely artificial system requirements for Windows 11 too high they only have themselves to blame

oh you can just bypass them
Okay sure you think your Aunt/Dad/some random normie either knows that or would know how to bypass them in the first place?

If you have to open a command prompt to do something the average user will never do it
That’s too scary for them

[grizzled panther]

Rufus does that for you I believe. But then again, 11 on unsupported hardware is bad. Even if the hardware isn't as old. And Microsoft released an update for 11 that made the OS unbootable for certain CPUs already.

I have one PC with those old infamous AM3+ FX processors and oh it sure struggles. You can feel its pain so well.

Thankfully AM4 is affordable these days. The only reason I upgraded was because of Mr. Microsoft telling me to. My old PC is happy with Puppy Linux now. Yeah, that's one thing I love from Linux. The ability to boot from a 1 GB USB. 🤣

[full moon]

The average user has never heard of Rufus in their life and will think it’s a virus. They’ll use the built in Windows 11 upgrade stuff in Windows 10 and if it doesn’t work they just won’t upgrade

Techies seriously overestimate the competency of the average user all the time

[grizzled panther]

Sadly true, yes. I'm not saying you're wrong, I actually agree.
We live in some hard times!

[full moon]

The cut off was also extremely arbitrary. A Coffee Lake i3 with 4C and 4T was supported but a Kaby Lake 7700K with 4C and 8T wasn’t despite them being the exact same CPU

Like literally the same architecture

Microsoft expected everyone to just buy new hardware in the middle of a recession and then when they just didn’t they’re now scrambling to fix the problem they created

They can’t remove the requirements because that would be admitting they were bullshit in the first place

[grizzled panther]

The cut off was arbitrary for sure. The TPM nonsense I don't understand to this day, and that memory isolation feature that even Microsoft themselves said you should turn off if you are a gamer.

And then there's that CoPilot nonsense.

[full moon]

Funny thing is off-CPU TPMs can be trivially compromised so they serve no purpose other than security theatre

Only fTPMs actually work

[grizzled panther]

What I feel personally is that they overestimate AI way too much. See Recall. That was such a disaster. I never thought I'd live to see Microsoft screwing up that big.

[full moon]

That wasn’t even their biggest ever blunder

Windows 98 would accept all 1s as a valid CD key

[pliant epoch]

They're still trying to release Recall as if anyone will ever like it

[full moon]

Windows ME system restore would back up viruses because anti virus software couldn’t scan the checkpoints it created

Windows XP had kernel mode GPU drivers

Windows Vista was allowed to be sold on machines that couldn’t actually run it (and contributed to its stereotype of being shit)

[grizzled panther]

That's wild. I was born a Xandros kid, then moved to XP. For what I can say I do miss XP, not particularly for being great but also its blue screens. Installing two antiviruses on an XP machine and witnessing how they called each other viruses was a whole experience for me.

[full moon]

The Windows 7 defragger didn’t actually work

That was my favourite one

Found that out when I installed DiskKeeper, did a scan and discovered the drives were a disaster

And I was like

[grizzled panther]

🤣

Now that's funny!

[full moon]

Windows 7 was other than that their best OS by a long shot

Nothing better before or since

[grizzled panther]

I can agree. Windows 7 was the true XP successor. We took 10 simply because 8 was terrible and 7 was getting dated.

[full moon]

I only updated to 10 because when I had a PS4 the remote play only worked on 10 since it used DX12 APIs

I was on 7 until like, 2017

[grizzled panther]

To this day I hate 8 from the bottom of my heart. That thing wasn't just bad, it was BAD. Frame drops were noticeable. Sometimes I had even 20 frames less compared to 7.

[full moon]

Now that I don’t play modern games anymore I just use Linux

[grizzled panther]

I'm on the same boat. Only reason I ever use Windows is because I couldn't get Waydroid to work on Ubuntu.

[full moon]

I just bruteforced it and run BlueStacks in a Windows VM

20 FPS but it’s enough to run auto battle

[grizzled panther]

That's genius, you got the best from both worlds there.

[full moon]

Yeah turns out it’s an nvidia GPU issue, Waydroid doesn’t actually support nvidia

But you don’t find out until you try to run it

Because they claim it works

[grizzled panther]

W for AMD bros. I have some old AMD GPUs but I never cared enough to reinstall them and try.

[full moon]

Yeah it just annoys me because I’m not buying a new GPU just to play Azur Lane

[hexed citrus]

that "compromise" is a much vaporwave as the latest nvidia vulnerability where you need physical access to the PC or have code execution right in the first place which defeats the purpose of an attacker gaining acces in the first place

[full moon]

I don’t mean the SPI snooping which has always been around, I mean the buffer overflow vuln that applies to some versions of TPM 2.0

[grizzled panther]

I didn't see your message, sorry!
Yes you are right. Recall has no use for the average user, or even the advanced user at all. It feels like a random feature that some students made for fun as an experiment. Perhaps also a great example of hardware resource waste. Hardware is so good these days that software companies don't know what to do with it. But they have to justify system requirements somehow so users keep upgrading for little to no reason...

[pliant epoch]

Agreed, makes no sense for recall to exist

[valid sky]

I switched to AMD 2 months ago

Found RX 6900 XT for good price

I didnt regret it

Upgrading from 3060Ti

In most of games i got like 50-150% performance gain in others it was minimal

I get most of my stuff used

That RX 6900 XT with fresh thermal paste costed me <400$

[valid sky]

Used market here is expensive af for some reason

Pricing is random af

R5 2600 and R5 3600 are same price for some reason xD

R5 5600 is rare to find used

[full moon]

I’m still using a GTX 1080 and it works fine so I’m not replacing it

[valid sky]

Yeah, its still valid

When i started buying used, i upgrade more frequently now

Instead of every 5 years now every 2 years

[valid sky]

Now i wouldn't touch anything but storage in that PC

i5-11600kf @5Ghz
32GB Ram DDR4-3600
RX 6900 XT

Not bottlenecking at 1440p

If i needed to upgrade anything major, will just upgrade the whole thing

Even at 5Ghz it only consumes 10W above stock

Not sure if i should get AIO, but i guess my current air cooler works ok

Temps maxs out at 89c

With PA120SE Cooler

[full moon]

Yeah I realized years ago I don’t actually give a fuck about overclocking anymore that was for when I was younger and broker

[valid sky]

I dont like to overclock my GPU because it doesnt give that much gain

CPU does tho

If i left it stock, it will give way more voltages at stock turbo xD

[full moon]

GPU overclocking used to… 14 years ago.

[valid sky]

At stock i seen 1.45-1.48v for 4.6Ghz.....

Sometimes even 1.52v

But i've been running stable 5Ghz at 1.37-1.39v

Especially ASUS mobos exaggerate a lot with Voltages

[valid sky]

10-15% OC for like 4-6% gains hell no xD

8-10% gain at good day

My current GPU is more than enough for 1440p too so idh to OC it

[glossy patrol]

Do you guys at all bother with more expensive GPU variants?

I kind of want to buy an unnecessarily beefy variant, but to my knowledge it's largely useless and just puts you closer to the cost of the next tier of GPU where you would actually see a performance gain

[grizzled panther]

The GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti are legends on their own. I always see those two as the parents of the RTX 3060. They need more power to do the same tasks as a RTX 3060 but they work just as good as a RTX 3060.

Getting one of these back in 2016 felt great and now it's just as great. Good buy and totally worth it.

[glossy patrol]

They're more powerful than a 3060

[grizzled panther]

It depends really. I have been mostly a entry level GPU owner, with my first GPU ever being a GT 240. Then I had a GTX 750 Ti, GTX 480, GTX 1050 Ti, GTX 980 and now I just use a RTX 3060. On the AMD side I just had an ATi Radeon HD 5670 and a 6790.

Sometimes it's better to go with the mid-tier ones, but if you have the money you can get the higher end ones. Just don't buy things like the RTX 3050, that thing is not worth the price.

[glossy patrol]

Variant, not GPU itself

[grizzled panther]

You mean like brands? Some have better airflow than others, some are OC'd but in the end it's the same chip. Probably not so relevant.

[grizzled panther]

A GTX 1080 isn't more powerful than a RTX 3060. They're a little worse.
GTX 1080 Ti is more "powerful" but a RTX 3060 will do the same job using less electricity.

[glossy patrol]

Yeah, that's my problem

[glossy patrol]

Fairly sure a 1080Ti is noticeably faster than a 3060

[fervent quest]

But if you go directly with a 4000 series?

[glossy patrol]

WDYM directly with a 4000 series

[glossy patrol]

Also nevermind, gap is much narrower than I remember

[grizzled panther]

To be honest I only keep buying GPUs for fun at this point. I don't play games anymore besides Azur Lane and I could run Azur Lane even on my 750 Ti just fine. 4000 is fine if you can afford it but I'd wait for RTX 5000 series. Could save a few bucks unless you can buy used.

[fervent quest]

Wait you have a gtx750ti?

[glossy patrol]

I'm still stuck between the 7900 GRE/XT/XTX, as well as their various variants
I think it'll end up being a 7900 GRE Red Devil

Depends on what Black Friday has in store

[grizzled panther]

My GTX 750 Ti is still working, so yes I guess. I have it installed in one of my PCs.

[full moon]

I have a Radeon 7950 that's getting used as a monitor stand

[grizzled panther]

It does miracles just like a GTX 1050 Ti. Obviously don't tell it to run Cyberpunk, but GTA V, no problem. Just no fancy graphics.

[fervent quest]

I had the same GPU for like 10 years and never disappointed but now like 1 year ago i upgraded my pc with around 1200€ to make poweeful enough for recent games even though one of my main is Flight simulator

But also for editing since its heavy for a normal pc to do such work

[full moon]

a really good really high end game would have to come out for me to consider upgrading my GPU

[glossy patrol]

I used to have an R7 250 2GB that I used for gaming for a couple years
Recently got a Quadro P620 for free though, which is an excellent spare due to no need for PCIe power

[full moon]

So far AAA has been one garbage fire after the other so that's not happening any time soon

[grizzled panther]

My dream GPU is a Vooodoo 5, or any of the 3dfx GPUs. Owning one of these is my dream since back in their glory days, they were truly the best cards in the world with no real competition
Sadly they don't sell at all here, not even used.

[full moon]

me bruteforcing Azur Lane with inside a Windows VM on my desktop

[fervent quest]

This looks some hacking shit lmao

[full moon]

"oh Waydroid doesn't work with nvidia on Linux? Fine, we'll do this the hard way"

[grizzled panther]

I will play it one way or another!

[full moon]

I will not be having sex by myself

[fervent quest]

Anyway, talking about powerful GPU's when the problem is people change max settings to everything instead of adjusting accordingly and not thinking about awsome graphic with no lag

[grizzled panther]

Fun thing is my GTX 980 isn't even mine per se. This card was just part of a build that I built for some teenager. He had this exact mindset you describe. "I want to play everything at max settings".

His setup was great, and he made his mom spend a lot of money on good parts. Guess what though, the kid bought a generic PSU of the cheapest quality possible. I warned him and his mother that this wouldn't work, but I was ignored.

A week or so later, the mother and the kid came back outraged blaming it on me. They were so upset that they forgot to take their PC back home, or they were so ignorant they thought everything was dead.
The card survived and I kept it. Never used it though.

[fervent quest]

A good PSU is important for sure, my first ine died because it was old the new one just sucked and now i have a evga 600 w2 which is absolutely good and really quite

Mp pc is now the definition of a Lada with a Ferrari engine, upgraded the main pieces and now it runs smoothly with no problem, the 750ti was holding really well but the cpu was a critical part

[hexed citrus]

I'm basically waiting on the hard specs of the 9950X3D then pulling the trigger on the new pc build

since currently there's too many rumors

[fervent quest]

Honestly i prefered to buy new specs for a "modern" pc and use it until something breaks up or becomes old enough

[hexed citrus]

that's what I usually do

get top of the line pc then use it till I need to upgrade again

[full moon]

He did not redeem the PC

[fervent quest]

My pc has probably 15 years already or more and just 1year ago i upgraded it with the main specs, motherboard B650 tomahawk, rtx4060ti, i5 12600k, 32gb ram corsair vegenance DDR4 and a 1tb ssd samsung

All that with 1200€

[glossy patrol]

That's what I plan, but it's looking to cost £1500 at this rate

[grizzled panther]

15 years, very nice!
The oldest working component I have would be some Hitachi HDD. Ancient HDD. It refuses to die so I just keep it as a storage unit nowadays.

[hexed citrus]

y'all don't know the good 'ol PCI cards

[grizzled panther]

When PCI cards were a thing I was probably still playing games on my NES.
VIA/S3G is as old as I get with PC graphics. That was my original thing. It was so bad but it made me so happy at the same time. Low FPS? Please, with luck I could run the most unpolished and basic 3D game without freezing the entire system. Playing 3D games was already a huge win for me back in those days.

[glossy patrol]

I can't replace my GPU fan because the screws holding the shroud in place (which is stopping me from unplugging the fan) are somehow rusted and will not turn

[hexed citrus]

if it's screwed into plastic you can use WD-40 or some rust penetrating lubricant

[glossy patrol]

I'll have to try some WD-40, though it goes through the shroud into the PCB

[hexed citrus]

it doesn't screw into the PCB, only sandwiches it between the heatsink and for example the backplate

so the lubricant needs to get into the thing that the screw is anchored into

[glossy patrol]

Sorry, didn't literally mean into the PCB

[glossy patrol]

I really wish I hadn't of been lazy and just turned off my computer when I was poking about. That's how I broke the GPU fan
Accidentally stuck a metal PCIe bracket into it while it was spinning. Broke a blade clean off and the fan itself is damaged. Anything over like 30% RPM causes an insane amount of noise and vibrates my entire desk

[hexed citrus]

just flip the PSU switch

and yeah any damage to a fan will ruin that delicate balance and cause noise and vibrations

[full moon]

I have a Hitachi HDD with well over 100k power on hours

It’s not even the oldest working component I have

My PSU in my desktop is also around 12 years old

[grizzled panther]

Can always replace damaged fans, not that expensive.
Just about luck sometimes, especially if it's a discontinued GPU.

[grizzled panther]

Impressive for a PSU!

[full moon]

Not if you buy a good one to begin with

[glossy patrol]

ittx. — Today at 16:07
I can't replace my GPU fan because the screws holding the shroud in place (which is stopping me from unplugging the fan) are somehow rusted and will not turn

[full moon]

Bro playing in the swamp

[glossy patrol]

Don't ask me how or why they're rusted. I really don't know

[grizzled panther]

Ah, you spent the money on it. That's the good about quality products, they cost more but in the long term they are very loyal friends.

[full moon]

Yeah I’m not gonna buy cheap shit for my computers unless it’s RAM because all RAM is the same anyway

[glossy patrol]

Until you buy a kit that can;'t even reach XMP

Cough Corsair Vengeance

[full moon]

That’s exclusively a memory controller issue.

[glossy patrol]

Uh, no

[full moon]

Vengeance isn’t even cheap ram either

So I wouldn’t even consider it

[glossy patrol]

Vengeance is absolutely cheaper RAM. vengeance LPX was the cheap RAM for a while

[full moon]

I just checked the prices and man Vengeance is massively expensive wdym

[glossy patrol]

No it isn't

[full moon]

Team Patriot and even GSkill Ripjaws are all way cheaper

[grizzled panther]

If it's dual channel that's more than enough for me to be honest. RAM speed, I never cared much. I have OC'd RAM but honestly there's very little difference for me. Any RAM will probably do the job.

[glossy patrol]

Ripjaw V is also cheapo RAM

[full moon]

For specific CPUs you need to meet speed thresholds to not get dumpster performance

Most common on Zen 2

[glossy patrol]

Not at all, it's just that they care a little more about it than before

[full moon]

Not aware of any CPUs where that still matters for modern stuff

[white obsidian]

I don't fear the terminal. I have a perfectly fine headless linux box that only sees terminal. And it's not like my win box doesn't have WSL and docker and whatnot. Heck, I even have a headless win11 box I only access via remote desktop.

[white obsidian]

Normie users should be using chromeboxes/books. Basically all they need, anyway.

[white obsidian]

Yup I have a 7700k that's perfectly good with the loads that are out there that just at the cutoff. That's the last straw here.

[white obsidian]

Heh I also still have a 1080 on this box

in other news.. my laptop just went spicy pillow. Ugh.

[grizzled panther]

Only thing I can say to you is that you have a virtue called common sense then!

If common sense was abundant I would recommend Linux more, but sadly this is a very rare virtue so I just recommend Windows. Windows just works. It will get the job done, it's easy, and it stops you when you want to delete something important. At the same time it can be used by an advanced user.

Unless we're talking about someone who just wants to browse the Internet. In that case, Linux is perfect. Puppy Linux could even save you a SSD/HDD. Only need a pendrive for that cute little OS.

[rocky valve]

Hope people can help me: i wanna replace my current phone (oneplus 8t) because is battery is dying (or maybe if there isnt anything nice replace the battery) so i wanted to know if people could recommend me a phone that is roughly at LEAST on the 8T's hardware. I live in germany

[grizzled panther]

Well the phone market isn't something I should be talking about but what I do when the battery dies is replace it.
If the phone works and you can run all the apps you need, replacing the battery is cheaper than upgrading.
As for an upgrade, I don't know. I'm an iPhone user so that should give you a clue on my knowledge on phones.

[glossy patrol]

Would need a budget and country, as well as preferences to make any actual suggestions
Meeting the specs of an 8T isn't even a thought unless you're buying a cheap Poco phone or something for like sub £200

[glossy patrol]

9800X3D reviews are out

[hexed citrus]

it's already looking good

now to see the 9900X3D and 9950X3D

[glossy patrol]

Bet they're going to cost a shit tonne

[hexed citrus]

same pricing at the old 7000 series with maybe like 50-60$ extra

[glossy patrol]

Honestly tempted to splurge on a 9800X3D now

[hexed citrus]

don't

unless you're coming from smth older than 5000 series there's no point

[glossy patrol]

i7-6800K, lol

[hexed citrus]

in that case yeah go for it lol

I'm going for the 9950X3D if the rumor that the cache is connected to both CCDs

[glossy patrol]

Spending nearly as much on CPU as GPU for primarily gaming is still wild though

[hexed citrus]

not in my case

[glossy patrol]

Just meant myselfd

I don't dso much outside of game with my system

[white obsidian]

okay got myself the framework to replace my ded laptop.

I mean technically not 'dead' but if I can't get new batteries to replace the spicy pillows, it's not really any use is it.

speced it with the 7640 (I'd love a Ryzen AI but ... not out yet) and the nice screen/camera. If I decide on an upgrade it'll likely get put into a 3dp case to do fun stuff with anyway.

gonna max it out memory and ssd otherwise

[rocky valve]

A bit late but as said germany and honestly the only requirement is thats its not a downgrade but to give some number i guess 300€ can be a bit higher if there is a good one slightly past 300

[glossy patrol]

9800X3D sold out instantly
Sobbing

[glossy patrol]

My recommendation would maybe be a used Pixel 7/7 Pro, or maybe 8/8 Pro, if used phones are an option

[hexed citrus]

not surprised

[glossy patrol]

I'm not surprised either, but still
Might have to wait until 2025
Overclockers UK has it at £450 which is only £30 more than the 7800X3D

[hexed citrus]

I have to wait regardless, at least I have time to refine the pc case design

[glossy patrol]

Custom?

[hexed citrus]

yes

vertical build

[glossy patrol]

Damn

[glossy patrol]

Why are many retailers selling the 9800X3D at very different prices?

[full moon]

supply and demand

[glossy patrol]

That makes no sense here but alright

Anyways, I can spend £20 more to get a 9800X3D earlier, but IDK

[glossy patrol]

Do I do it...

[full moon]

I'd say that depends on what you got right now

[glossy patrol]

i7-6800K

Plan to get an RX7900, board, PSU, RAM, cooler on discount too

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qHyJ74

(GPU is £600 currently)
Might get a cheaper PSU and RAM

Nevermind, pre-order button doesn't work :/

Do any of you have suggestions on price-watcher websites or techniques, i.e for Black Friday sales on many parts and whatnot?

[glossy patrol]

Managed to take my GPU shroud off though couldn't find a way to remove my fan without just cutting the cables. Sucks

[hexed citrus]

I just monitor the sites I'll plan to buy stuff from

[glossy patrol]

Fair

[glossy patrol]

You think there's anything really wrong with the list above?

[glossy patrol]

So I have that damaged fan I mentioned before right?
Well I got my shroud off and unplugged it
Turns out that caused me to BSOD when loading up Windows no matter what
An hour of troubleshooting before I eventually gave in and plugged the fan back in, and kaboom, instantly working, no issues

The other two remaining fans were also doing this the whole time the other was unplugged

[hexed citrus]

use 6000MHz RAM, higher speeds are actually detrimental for Ryzen

[glossy patrol]

How come?

[hexed citrus]

to handle higher RAM speeds you need higher voltage
higher voltage means less stability

6000MHz CL30 is the best kind of RAM you can get for Zen 5

the motherboard I'd suggest a B650E series motherboard instead, get the PCIe 5.0 lanes

GPU is up to you but honestly I wouldn't go AMD unless you have a good deal on it or absolutely need it

[hexed citrus]

yeah, the GPU BIOS checks the fan speeds on boot to ensure it'll be able to cool the card, if they're not present it will refuse to POST, this is why they go full speed when u turn on the pc

also for the love of God please screw in that M.2 SSD

[glossy patrol]

Soon™️

Been like that for two years
But I'm rebuilding soon, hopefully

I'm tempted to spend extra for a better GPU variant but I know it's such a waste

[hexed citrus]

if you don't need the better GPU then don't

[glossy patrol]

I don't mean better GPU, the same GPU but a different variant
AIB model

[full moon]

my GPU doesn't check its fans
they stay off until they're needed

[glossy patrol]

Isn't that just 0RPM mode

[hexed citrus]

they all do that unless it's a very old card or has 0RPM mode

where it literally cuts power to them

[glossy patrol]

Sadly my GPU does neither

[full moon]

walking around Staples cause why not
gaming monitor
look closer
27” 1080p
Every time
Do they assume gamers play from 10 feet away?

[hexed citrus]

what's wrong with that?

[full moon]

Very low pixel density

At 27” you should be using 1440p, at 32” and above, 4k
24” is the suitable panel size for 1080p

[glossy patrol]

Anything over 24" for 1080p is indeed icky

[hexed citrus]

idk 27 inch 1080p is okay

[full moon]

Gross

[full moon]

I really wish Apple would fix the bug where if iOS drops down to 3G it doesn’t even try to go back to LTE unless you turn off Cellular Data for 30 seconds
Multi-billion dollar company btw

Issue since the iPhone 3GS btw

It doesn’t always occur but when it does it will just be stuck on 3G

[grizzled panther]

As an Apple person I really want to support Apple but when even Steve Jobs' daughter doubts the iPhone, that's a hard task.
Samsung has some beautiful models that I like nowadays. We'll see how my wallet speaks when it's time to upgrade though.

[full moon]

Does Samsung support their phones for more than 2 years yet

[grizzled panther]

From what I read they do, but it depends.

[full moon]

yeah I explictly buy iPhones only because I can just upgrade once every 5-6 years

if Samsung can barely manage 2 they objectively cost more than an iPhone due to having to upgrade them more often

[hexed citrus]

that's not a apple bug

all phones do this

[full moon]

man I wish I coiuld just turn off the 3G radio instead then

[hexed citrus]

you can't

a lot of cellular handshakes are still reliant on it

[full moon]

Well yes but actually no as Australia is turning off their 3G network

[full moon]

oh boy Fedora 41 has launched which means if I want to use it I need to remember the terminal command I have to run afterwards to get it to build the nvidia driver

[valid sky]

Even 2G works here in Saudi Arabia despite they "stopped it"

You only see it if the signal is too horrible

[full moon]

They outright turned off the 2G network here about 7 years ago

all the towers were decommissioned

I don't remember what they reused the frequency range for

[valid sky]

But in cities minimum Edge network

Which isn't any better than 2G xd

[full moon]

Edge was turned off here even longer ago

[valid sky]

I see it on daily basis sometimes xD

Because my building has a lot of insulations

Even 3G signal cant reach xD

So im stuck with Edge if WiFi is off for any reason

I step outside the building, 5G all day long xD

If they killed 2G and Edge, im cooked if my WiFi went out if service for any reason

Sometimes i hate the Saudi building code...

[full moon]

I have 5G disabled on my phone because it's just a battery hog

I can watch the battery tick down in real time

[valid sky]

Im mostly connected to WiFi, thats why my battery stays all day

Unless i use my phone too much

Lmao, 3G was shutdown in 2022 by one operator

But mine didnt

[full moon]

oh boy

[full moon]

so it remembered to build the akmod for the first time since I started using Linux on my desktop

amazing

[hexed citrus]

that's cap

those towers weren't built just for 2G or 3G

[full moon]

I know this as the transit agencies here had to replace all their bus radios as they ran off the 2G network

and without the 2G network they didn't work anymore

[hexed citrus]

that's one

two, the transceivers used by telecoms are more or less the same for 2G/3G/LTE and 5G

[full moon]

a bunch of various other remote things had to get mandatory upgrades at the time

since again, they were 2G only

[hexed citrus]

the main difference between the generations is the terminal hardware and software

[full moon]

the frequencies 2G (GSM) were using have been long since repurposed for LTE here

[hexed citrus]

you know that you can have both on the same frequency?

[full moon]

Not in any meaningful capacity

[hexed citrus]

it's like how we can still run 10BaseT connections on top of our 1000BaseT infra

[valid sky]

I think only faster 5G bands needs upgrade

[hexed citrus]

yes only mmWave needs dedicated specialty hardware

the typical 5G works with the same transceiver that LTE worked with

[valid sky]

Yeah

The tower next to my house suddenly got 5G support

Without dismantling it

But not the fast 5G ofc

Its like 800Mbps

[hexed citrus]

bcz all they need to do is swap out a piece of terminal hardware at both the tower and the main server room where it connects to

[valid sky]

Ah i see

[hexed citrus]

the more tedious part of launching a 5G network is the frequency licensing for 5G application and the software stack change

all of that with minimal downtime

[valid sky]

Last time i seen 3G when i was in the middle of nowhere xD

The time before it 4G had np

[valid sky]

Because i was close to the main highway (2-5km inside the desert)

[hexed citrus]

generally highways get upgraded last as the impact is minimal relative to urban areas

[valid sky]

Also 5G is stupid in highway if its not near a device that needs it

That might change in the future

When i had 400km ride i was on 4G/3G most of the time

[hexed citrus]

refer to the point above

[full moon]

my uncle asked me why I don't have 5G enabled on my phone and it's like

1. what's the point

2. I don't like charging my phone 3 times a day

[hexed citrus]

they'll upgrade highway cells among the last as the traffic through those isn't high enough to warrant prioritization

[valid sky]

Looks like you have one of the earlier phones that supports 5G

[full moon]

yeah I got an iPhone 14

[valid sky]

Yeah

[valid sky]

iPhone.....

[hexed citrus]

my condolences

[valid sky]

Yeah those batteries sucks

[full moon]

battery life is just fine as long as I turn off the power draining 5G antenna.

[valid sky]

sometimes i see ppl with iPhones hogging every charging port in the place xD

[full moon]

That's because they have 5 year old iPhones with fried batteries

[valid sky]

I have an iPhone that i don't even use i find it at 60-80% at the end of the day

I have that iPhone as a backup phone

it saved me when my old phone died

[full moon]

a lot cheaper than having to buy a Samesung every 2 years because they dropped support (again)

[valid sky]

Who still upgrade his phone every 1-2 years xD

At least someone with normal usage and not on a plan

Ppl who are on mobile plan that offers phone upgrade every 1-2 years

Sure

[full moon]

statistically? Android users.

[hexed citrus]

...it's the same antenna and SoC

unless you use mmWave

[full moon]

and yet with 5G turned on the battery life is less than half of when it's just LTE.

[hexed citrus]

yeah because the 5G section needs both turned on

and the initial implementations were fairly inefficient

[full moon]

yeah I know I went through this 16 years ago with first gen LTE Android phones

[hexed citrus]

yeah 2012 called and wanted it's edge phones back

[valid sky]

16 years ago i was still using Nokia xD

[hexed citrus]

nowadays samsung phones get 5-7 years of support minimum

[full moon]

so they finally caught up to Apple, huh

[valid sky]

My old Note 8 was supported until i upgraded it after 3 years

I upgraded because i fully used it

[full moon]

I'd never upgrade a phone after only 3 years

what a waste of money

[valid sky]

I used to burn my phones xD

Thats why

[hexed citrus]

no, they got forced to provide updates by EU as usual

[full moon]

Habibi you're not supposed to set your phones on fire

[valid sky]

EU Decisions recently keeps saving us zD

[hexed citrus]

don't think Apple is doing it out of the goodness of their heart

[valid sky]

Burn = use it at 100% until it dies

[full moon]

Apple always did it bruh

ages before anybody was requiring them to

[valid sky]

My iPhone XR is 6 years old now

It works fine for a backup phone

[valid sky]

If not, we'd still have Lightning port for iPhone 16 xD

[hexed citrus]

should I remind you the iPhone 4 era when they kept pushing updates that actively gimped the battery and ran the SoC harder so people upgrade out of frustration? are we gonna pretend that didn't happen?

[full moon]

since the 6S Plus they've been supporting phones for a minimum of 5 years.

how long was Samsung supporting phones for in 2013? 2 years?

[hexed citrus]

yes, I mentioned that above

Apple at the time did exactly the same

[full moon]

You can see on the chart they provably didn't.

[hexed citrus]

only unlike android devices they actively made the experience worse with each update to force users to buy the new one

until they got slapped on the wrist with a fine

[valid sky]

My friend got his brand new iPhone 15 one month before 16 launched

Right in the middle next month

[full moon]

nothing wrong with that.

[valid sky]

Battery life got worse xD

[full moon]

Apple launches new phones at the exact same time every single year.

For the past 15 years.

[valid sky]

He was like "WTF"

[hexed citrus]

wouldn't be surprised coming from Apple

[valid sky]

Ik he ain't the kind of guy who burns his phone

[full moon]

if he upgraded the iOS version, it's because iOS has some of the worst indexing known to man and legitimately takes weeks to reorganize the filesystem in the background after an update.

which fries your battery life for weeks

Apple is very good at some things and extremely bad at some things.

[valid sky]

Every company

MSI for example are terrible software makers

[hexed citrus]

extremely bad at everything else* FTFY

[grizzled panther]

I only had to replace my iPhone battery once and it was entirely my fault for leaving the device connected to AC outlet when the battery was already fully charged.

[full moon]

look it's fine that you don't like a company but man I super don't give a shit if you don't like a company and acting like a 14 year old fanboy about it is super cringe.

[hexed citrus]

you're the Apple shill here not me

[full moon]

pointing out a company makes good decisions doesn't make me a shill

[hexed citrus]

I acknowledge some things Apple gets right but by far most of their decisions on product and software design is absolute garbage

[hexed citrus]

was it a iPhone older than 2017?

[full moon]

looks like they did a little trolling with the Mac Mini storage, too
it's "removable"
but it's just the NAND not the controller, and likely cryptographically linked to the specific SoC

[grizzled panther]

iPhone 8, I believe it was around that time, yes.

[hexed citrus]

that was a regular issue with the charging IC in those

[hexed citrus]

the controller is inside their SoC

so in a sense yeah it's linked, physically that is

[full moon]

nah like Apple has done this before, the NAND will be cryptographically linked to a specific controller

you can't just change the NAND

as it won't have the signing keys to pair with the controller

for "security" :^)

[hexed citrus]

yes the data written to NAND is encrypted in all modern SSDs

but it's very much Apple to link the serial of the NAND to the controller so you can't swap it

[full moon]

the wifi module placement on the new Mac Mini though

man that bothers me so much

truly one of the decisions of all time

[hexed citrus]

or hell order custom NAND from the manufacturer with a different pinout so you can't buy off the shelf NAND to swap it

[full moon]

they didn't even just reuse M.2 for the removable NAND, either

they designed their own knockoff M.2

[hexed citrus]

that's a M.2 but with a offset pinout

[full moon]

they had a dumb SSD before
the AHCI NVMe one

or rather, AHCI PCIe

[valid sky]

Proprietary connectors.....

[hexed citrus]

security btw

[full moon]

https://www.neversummer.co/systems/ssd.webp their AHCI SSD was just a PCIe SSD but with the wrong M.2 keying

so you needed an adapter

well also it was 22110 because reasons

[hexed citrus]

yeah, they used a slightly different keying but people found a way to swap out the connector on the mainboard to use regular SSDs

[full moon]

funnily enough, the SSD being 22110 made it easier

[hexed citrus]

because apple rlly loves to jack up prices for RAM and storage

[full moon]

more room for the adapter

Apple be like "$200 for 8GB of RAM please"

[hexed citrus]

now with the M series you can't even change the RAM bcz it's literally part of the SoC

[full moon]

To be fair, they're effectively high powered phone SoCs so that's not that surprising

[hexed citrus]

well not quite

[full moon]

maybe tablet is a better comparison

[hexed citrus]

they're much more powerful cores than what you'd find in mobile devices

sure they're ARM but they're a different class of cores

[full moon]

well except the M1 which uses so little power they didn't even bother cutting it down for the iPad Pro

[hexed citrus]

what honestly gives Apple the edge is their software stack

[full moon]

yeah turns out controlling the entire hardware stack also makes the software stack more efficient since they only have to control for a small number of hardware configs

[hexed citrus]

bcz of their walled garden they could quickly retire the old x86 devices within a couple macOS updates and move to ARM stack exclusively

[full moon]

also Rosetta being a damn near miracle in terms of efficiency at translating x64 instructions to ARM

[hexed citrus]

reason why Linux on desktop won't get widespread adoption

[full moon]

that and Linux is for computer people

and always will be

despite the cope and seethe

[hexed citrus]

it can be for laymen

if only the snobby elitists wouldn't make 593858 different standards and implementations

looking at you Wayland, Xorg and all the UI APIs

we don't want to implement this date picker that everyone else did because this guy from that other lib looked at us funny

[full moon]

To be fair, Xorg is being phased out, it's just taking a long time because xfce devs correspond by telegraph

and their messages from 1877 take awhile to arrive

the only relevant UI is KDE which you realize after you try Gnome and realize it's designed for pyschopaths, and the rest of them are just People's Front of Judea tier splinter groups

[hexed citrus]

the DEs are more or less flavor of the week

it's the underlying APIs used by apps to create the GUI that are the travesty

like Qt

[full moon]

Inshallah one day I will find the dev responsible for Qt

[hexed citrus]

and don't get me started on the audio systems

[full moon]

don't forget printing on Unix being so bad that Apple said "fine I'll do it myself" and bought CUPS in 2007 to fix it

[mental coyote]

Less GNOME being designed for psychos, more GNOME devs being very "I know what you want to do with this DE."

Kinda like the Apple of Linux UIs.

Then they break their own API compatibility every so often, and send extension makers back into the code mines to keep up.

What I wish had more people working on it is Enlightenment. Those guys had their shit working with Wayland forever ago, for example.

As for controlling the entire hardware and software stack, Apple showed it can be done, and at least some folks paid attention. Whole point of Google popping out Tensor, when you think of it. Of course, getting to where Apple is hardware-wise ain't a fast process.

[full moon]

wait I have the picture screenshot for this hold on

[mental coyote]

Fuckin' LOL

[lofty estuary]

Wait are all AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D already sold out?

Wanted to buy one for myself but all of the websites i know and trust dont have it

Nvm Amazon has it.
Why is alternate selling it for 550€ and Amazon for 440€?

[full moon]

it sold out in like 2 minutes man

[hexed citrus]

yeah, give it a few weeks

what CPU do you have right now?

[lofty estuary]

Ryzen 5 2400g

I want to build a completly new PC waiting for the 5000 series or if amd cooks for their gpus

[hexed citrus]

then better wait for all parts to be out and buy everything in one go

AMD will abolutely not cook with the GPUs

[lofty estuary]

I doubt the price of the ryzen 7900x3d is gonna go down in the next 2-3 months

[hexed citrus]

they got left in the dust a while ago

[hexed citrus]

it's not about the price, it's weighing your options at the moment of purchase

[lofty estuary]

Isnt the 7900 XTX actually really good for its price

I mean amd can cook if they make fsr better

And Raytracing isnt really a good reason to buy nvidia in my opinion since almost no game supports it

[hexed citrus]

lmao you do not buy a GPU for raytracing

[lofty estuary]

Ik

[hexed citrus]

DLSS is what is the key seller here

[lofty estuary]

I would buy nvidia because of dlss

[hexed citrus]

unified shader technology can only get you so far

[full moon]

The only reason I'm buying an AMD GPU for my next GPU is nvidia's Linux support is a literal joke

[hexed citrus]

that's cap

the garbage support comes from running the meme that is nouveau

if you run official nvidia drivers then the support is fairly good

[full moon]

No, it's a literal joke

[hexed citrus]

it's not

that used to be the case over a decade ago

[full moon]

Waydroid straight up does not support nvidia with any drivers
nvidia DRM (Display Rendering Manager, not the other one) issues with Pascal
the entire "official" nvidia driver install method in general

[lofty estuary]

Ive ben looking for a good monitor and i get notifications on my Phone about this topic. It says 30% on sale i check it out its still 900€

[hexed citrus]

is it amazon by chance

[lofty estuary]

yeah 2-3 times it was amazon

Is curved bad?

[full moon]

nvidia's support on Linux is pretty tragic outside of CUDA

claiming it's better than AMD's support is cope

[hexed citrus]

no it's not lmao

I literally run 2 linux servers with nvidia GPUs in them and they run way better than the radeon cards

[full moon]

So again, non-workstation workloads

Which just proves my point

[hexed citrus]

what you're complaining about is the exact same thing I said earlier today, the whole tribalism of the fucking GUI Linux

[full moon]

it's bad on workstations
no it isn't, it runs just fine on my servers
it's like you didn't even read what I wrote

[hexed citrus]

and pray tell what does your "workstation" do that my server doesn't

[full moon]

It's almost like a server doesn't have to deal with the entire worthless nvidia DRM software stack

[hexed citrus]

now to continue my other sentence, because some DE doesn't want to implement the proper NVK support due to having a hard-on against nvidia is one of the problems yes

[full moon]

That isn't going to fix the nvidia DRM stack being garbage and having a regression since 6.9 that hasn't been fixed since nvidia ignores nearly all workstation related issues

[hexed citrus]

do you even know what the DRM does on linux?

[full moon]

Mainly it's responsible for my entire screen freezing once a kernel is loaded in GRUB until the desktop loads in, a regression present since kernel 6.9 involving having 2 monitors plugged in.

[hexed citrus]

that is not what the DRM does, well not by itself

[full moon]

easily proven since if I unplug a monitor (either one, and I've tested with 4 different monitors), the screen immediately unfreezes

[hexed citrus]

the key responsibility of the DRM is literally being a HAL for the GPU

[full moon]

as it's related to the Linux kernel changing the default framebuffer

[hexed citrus]

giving userland programs access to the GPU systems

[full moon]

which apparently nvidia couldn't handle

nvidia didn't even properly support Wayland until earlier this year

[hexed citrus]

what are you on about

wayland support is there since driver version 470

in version 495 they also added EGLStreams and GBM as well

[full moon]

explicit sync was only added this year
Gamma ramps were only added in 545, in 2023
VRR was only added to Wayland for pre-Volta GPUs in 560

again, all missing features you would only ever encounter with a desktop/laptop

not a server

VRR is the most glaring as they pretty much invented the damn technology

yet only bothered to add it to Wayland in August

[hexed citrus]

it's not easy to add support when each compositor implementation can decide to just not support nvidia's implementation of g-sync, also these issues are something that you can't solely blame nvidia when it's clear that the devs of these projects have different priorities and goals

like for example intel drivers still don't have VRR support

also at least for nvidia there is a huge feature disparity between Xorg and wayland

this all comes back to the issue of Linux UI projects and devs doing whatever they feel like according to their moral agenda

"I don't want to implement this protocol because I don't like it and that's that"
"But 80% of people use it"
"I don't care, my project my rules"

FFMPEG is for example the opposite of those, it supports the GPUs from all 3 brands to their fullest without being whiney bitches that "muh morals, muh views"

[grizzled panther]

Someone mentioned FFMPEG so I felt obligated to say FFMPEG is awesome. End of my statement.

[full moon]

It's KWin, if KDE isn't implementing the Wayland protocol as written there's just no hope for Wayland in general.

there's also only one API for nvidia on Wayland to begin with, GBM, and you have to support it in its entirety

my problems might be more understandable if I was using some garbage compositor written by a moron, but when it's KWin, there's no excuses.

[hexed citrus]

GBM is just a memory allocation API

[full moon]

At some point the blame lies with nvidia taking their sweet time on writing their GUI drivers for Linux

[hexed citrus]

what do you think nvidia does it alone? they work with those developers to make the drivers

bcz what good is to create an API that nobody can use?

[full moon]

it's impossible to know what they're doing as the entire driver is closed source

[hexed citrus]

you also have to keep in mind that these devs are not employed by nvidia, maybe sponsored or incentivized with donations but at the end of the day they don't owe nvidia nothing

if they want to take their sweet time implementing shit that's in their right to do so

nvidia can only help out with making the drivers ready to go for those features

unless they explicitly hire devs to contribute to OSS projects to improve their GPU support but even that is something that not well looked upon

[full moon]

cmon man compositors aren't why nvidia is so slow at writing their Linux GUI drivers
they're just slow at it in general
a lack of gamma ramping isn't because KWin hasn't implemented it
KDE had to tell people for over a year that "yeah that just isn't supported on Wayland for nvidia they didn't implement it"

and then they eventually did with no code changes from KDE

and suddenly it worked just fine

[full moon]

Oh nice I won’t have to worry about the 3G problem for much longer, 3G is getting shut off in Canada in March

[valid sky]

If you found good monitor lmk

My 6 y/o monitor is dying and im looking for replacement

144Hz = half-95% black screen until it warms up

[full moon]

Brain dead choice is just buy a Dell Ultrasharp

But if you want high refresh idk

[valid sky]

1440p 144-165Hz

My current monitor is 1440p 144Hz, but its 6 years old

[lofty estuary]

prob gonna buy LG UltraGear 27GP850P-B

[valid sky]

I was thinking about it too

Found Samsung G5, but its literally a downgrade xD

[full moon]

I’ve been looking at 27” 4k monitors to replace my main monitor

[valid sky]

To my surprise

Other than OLED monitors (which costs a kidney)

Monitors havent got upgraded much

Might just use my monitor at 120Hz

Until that too becomes broken

Rn 144Hz = i wait for 5-30 mins until it warms up

Otherwise its half-95% black and flickering

[lofty estuary]

im waiting for blackfriday deals or something maybe we get something better out

[valid sky]

11.11 deals here are as good as black Friday deals

[glossy patrol]

I'm planning to get an Alienware QD-OLED soon

But upgrading my PC comes first

[lofty estuary]

isnt alienware overpriced?

[valid sky]

Might downclock my monitor to 120Hz until it becomes unuseable if im getting OLED

[lofty estuary]

thats what i heard but i could be wrong

[glossy patrol]

No

Their QD-OLED monitors are pretty great

[valid sky]

There isnt much to upgrade in my PC

If im upgrading CPU

i need to upgrade motherboard and memory xD

GPU is good enough for me

[lofty estuary]

i need to upgrade everything

i have a ryzen 5 2400g and a rx 5500xt

[valid sky]

i5-11600kf @5Ghz and RX 6900 XT runs great in 1440p

I got that GPU used for really great deal

Upgrading that GPU idh many choices xD

And all of them will cause GPU bottlenecks xD

[lofty estuary]

btw are curved monitors really that bad?

[valid sky]

Bad? Nope

But pointless

[lofty estuary]

half of my friends are hating on it

[valid sky]

After you get used to curved monitor

It becomes as good as flat one

[full moon]

Problem is curved monitors require you to sit at a specific distance

In order to remove the curve distortion

You have to sit at the centre of the circle it creates

And most curved monitors are curved too sharply

[valid sky]

I've been rocking my Samsung CHG70 27" for 6 years

After some time it becomes as good as Flat screen

If im upgrading definitely going for a flat monitor

Unless i get really good deal on curved monitors

[full moon]

My side monitor is 12 years old and it has a problem with the power circuit. If it loses power there’s a non zero chance it won’t turn on again until I unplug everything and hold down the power button for 30 seconds to drain all the capacitors
Once it’s on it’s fine even if it goes to standby

[valid sky]

Mine at 144Hz it goes crazy and goes half black

Until it warms up

Then it works fine

Until i close it again....

[full moon]

Just don’t turn it off ez

[valid sky]

My 2nd choice is set it to 120Hz

And call it a day xD

Which i might do

The problem is somewhere in power circuit too

Manufacturing defect which appeared after warranty...

Samsung G5 is literally a downgrade from it

They fixed that power circuit issue, but i aint downgrading just because my monitor is half broken xD

I will either get LG Ultra gear or OLED Monitor (after it stops costing a kindey)

[lofty estuary]

quick question

[glossy patrol]

Unfortunately, my whole system is getting a rebuild

[lofty estuary]

did you see it on mediamarkt?

the g5?

[valid sky]

Nope

It got pretty heavy discount tho

[lofty estuary]

got a notification thats its on sale there

[valid sky]

Thats why i thought about ut

It dropped from 550$ to 220$

But its specs are crap

[lofty estuary]

prob the first notification of a monitor in my price range

who buys a monitor for 900 euros?

and why

[full moon]

My friend just bought 2 US$1600 Monitors that were on sale for $600 each so

[valid sky]

Even my CHG70 i got for like 425 euros

Which lasted 6 years.....

Idk is it monitors having short life span or covid usage took a lot of its life xD

Other than the 144Hz issue, it works perfectly fine

Maybe some issues with Freesync too

[full moon]

He bought 2 Samsung Viewfinity S9s

[valid sky]

Nice, 5k monitors

[full moon]

Yeah he’s a man of expensive tastes

[valid sky]

At least its IPS

if it was VA panel

He would've been cooked xD

[lofty estuary]

my friend yelled at me because i was looking for 4k monitors he said that you aint gonna see a difference between qwhd and 4k and thats a waste of money

[full moon]

He would never buy a VA panel

[valid sky]

VA looks good, until you put IPS panel next to it

My LG 22" 1080p IPS made my VA look trash xD

And some ppl claim that IPS to OLED looks day and night different

Which i can agree on xD

But they cost 850$ minimum

If i was content creator, sure i would pick it all day long

[valid sky]

Dell make the best TNs

I seen it in a shop side by side with VA

It beats it xD

VAs arent made equally tho