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subtle hawk
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the temperature deviation between cores is at max 10c too, which is pretty good

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fair

hexed citrus
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so they ramp up with temps

subtle hawk
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i don't like the sound of them curving though

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so i want to set them at a static 50-60%

hexed citrus
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make it gradual

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mine goes from off to 100% really quickly

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so when idling the fans are off entirely

subtle hawk
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oooh i see

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yeah

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i should do that

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i've read online that the P12's also have this resonance with it between 800-1200rpm when it changes during those

hexed citrus
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but keep in mind your cooling solution MUST be able to keep the temps in check passively for this to work

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else you'll need at least some airflow over it

subtle hawk
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oh πŸ’€

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it's a cheap cpu cooler

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so i'm trying to figure out how to cool a power unlocked i5

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the inefficiency is real with me (11400f 100w draw)

hexed citrus
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yeah I have full water loop on mine

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so the chungus radiator can passively cool it

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but it has thermal probes out the wazoo to monitor it

subtle hawk
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ah i see

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can't the pump just move the water to cool it

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without the fans

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yeah πŸ’€

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that's lucky fo you

hexed citrus
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a probe before the intake, a probe after the intake, a probe under the GPU, a probe in the PSU/HDD basement and a probe at exhaust

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coupled with the integrated sensors in the GPU, mobo, PSU and CPU

subtle hawk
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oh wow

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i just run those uh

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block coolers

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not even LP coolers

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it's like an intel stock cooler with a 120mm fan

hexed citrus
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I have a water loop that cools the CPU and VRM

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the GPU is air cooled

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mostly because the case has a ton of airflow

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and because I have a hub controller for the RGB, fans and probes I can manually adjust the per fan speed as needed to improve airflow and lower temps

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granted this makes the pc sound close to the servers in terms of noise when running full blast

subtle hawk
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lucky

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airflow is minimal here

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and everything produces a good amount of heat

ashen zodiac
subtle hawk
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HOLY FUCK

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lmfao

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why is it being used for that πŸ’€

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mfw linux based device is used for turret πŸ’€

ashen zodiac
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Idk. Computer with controller built into one?

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Killstreak obtained.

subtle hawk
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yeah

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πŸ’€

subtle hawk
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my beloved arctics

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looks so fcking ghetto πŸ’€πŸ˜­

valid sky
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My 11600kf can draw upto 200w

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Which is gonna be super toasty

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But sustained power draw is 125-150w

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Never seen it draw more than 150w sustained

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Which is around the maximum my old Hyper 212 was able to handle

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Thats why i had to upgrade to something more effective

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Some cores used to hit 92c xd

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Which is within the soft throttle range

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When i had no fans running, it was instantly hitting 85c

subtle hawk
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i see

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πŸ’€

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lmfao yeah

valid sky
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I prefare my electronics to run below 80c

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Preferably below 75c

subtle hawk
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same

subtle hawk
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the paging file is huge

valid sky
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Its still helpful incase you use more ram than you have

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But still would cause slow downs

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Since well

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Storage is slower than Dram

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Unless you have PCIe gen 5 NVme and ddr3 rams somehow xD

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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i have ddr4 3200 and a gen 3

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Gen 3 ssd

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lmfao

valid sky
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3600 Mhz memory and Gen 3 NVme aswell xD

subtle hawk
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ewwwww

subtle hawk
valid sky
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If i want to replace that NVme i have to remove the cooler

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Since it literally covers the M.2 slot

subtle hawk
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what happens if you do

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the nvme cooler

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does the thermal pad have to be replaced haha

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or is it reusable

valid sky
subtle hawk
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i see

valid sky
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Or they are torn

subtle hawk
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yeah

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okok i see

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i'll just keep that in until it dies

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pcie gen 3.0 is already fast enough for me

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2gb/s is insane for what I do

valid sky
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My Samsung 970 Evo can do 3.5GBps

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Which is crazy for me

subtle hawk
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mines is a 970 evo plus

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i've only seen it do 2gb/s between both my nvme drives

valid sky
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Mine is probably the same then

subtle hawk
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yeah

valid sky
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Been using it since 2019

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I would get 2TB NVme to ditch my 1TB HDD

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so i have 1 less HDD and more room to hide my cables xD

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Which i already did good job doing

subtle hawk
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i see

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i've been using mines since 2020

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but i've only ramped up usage extremely in 2023

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since i rebuilt my PC

valid sky
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My 1TB HDD been used since May 2018 xD

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Which is already 5 years old

subtle hawk
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my original PC was an NZXT ATX build, and i migrated over to a smaller M-ATX build

valid sky
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And its still in good condition

subtle hawk
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better temps too jeses

valid sky
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NZXT what?

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S340?

subtle hawk
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NZXT h510

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ATX

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suffocation 1.2

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i still hvae the case lmfao

valid sky
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Mine was S340

subtle hawk
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but a lot of the parts was missing

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since it came as a prebuilt

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i was too embarrased to ask my parents to let me build a normal system

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so i just asked for a prebuilt

valid sky
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I had to save to buy my 1st PC

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My 2nd PC is mostly 2nd hand parts

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Which made me save alot on such massive upgrade

subtle hawk
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yeah

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nice

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i'm planning on getting used RAM only though

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i'd rather have shittier parts but new

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i'm never playing chances

valid sky
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The PCs before that we had in house were HP and those companies pre-builts

subtle hawk
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ah yes, i wonder: This for 100 bucks, or just Arctic P12's (PWM with daisy) for 50 dollars

subtle hawk
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at least you can server them a littl ebit

valid sky
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They were good for general useage (not so good)

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But gets the job done xD

subtle hawk
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yep

valid sky
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But as my useage got way heavier

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Pentium 4 isnt enough

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So i had to save up and build one

subtle hawk
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yeah lmfao

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this was my first pc

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never actually had a desktop before this

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so i will always be satisfied with anything haha

valid sky
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There is always at least 1 desktop in my house all the time xD

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Gaming or not

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Current and last PC were mid-range PCs

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I dont like calling them gaming pc

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Since i use them for everything

subtle hawk
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haha nice

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this is the only PC

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i try to keep this room as clean as possible too

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i plan to get some budget parts and assemble a cheap family desktop

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i don't like prebuilt stuff, they always disgust me for a reason

valid sky
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He always tell me

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1500$ down the drain

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You cant upgrade rams with them now (unless you get those naked CL22 rams from them)

subtle hawk
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oh πŸ’€

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i got an nzxt for $2000

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ripped off SO HARD

valid sky
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NZXT at least use standard parts

subtle hawk
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yep

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hence why i immigrated over to m-atx

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props to their team for giving me some godly parts for the price

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for me to scrap

valid sky
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I got ripped off on my 1st PC aswell (since i bought all parts locally)

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But not as hard as you xD

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And considering that i bought parts at the end of crisis

valid sky
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Probably with i3-12100F

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and GT 730 - 1030

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There isnt used i3-12100 or 13100 non F

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And new once are like 130$ or 150$

inland marsh
valid sky
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You dont need all of that for paging

subtle hawk
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oh lmfao

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he has good specs

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he runs servers or sum

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i'll raise my paging size to 16gb once i go from 500gb to 1tb and get my ram from 16 to 32+

inland marsh
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It's a fuckin' laptop smh

subtle hawk
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goddam fuck

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why would you do that

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what are you doing on a laptop πŸ’€

valid sky
subtle hawk
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fair enough

valid sky
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I killed my AMD R7 M260 2GB last time i did that xD

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It died while playing GTA San Andreas

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Like WTF

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Is that a game that kills a GPU MutsukiHyperStare

inland marsh
valid sky
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It died during lockdown

valid sky
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Now im worried about my PC xD

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Like i find 72872873MB

subtle hawk
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system managed

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?

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i get 9gb

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that's weird

valid sky
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Im too lazy go check my PC rn

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And wait for my screen to stop acting broken

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Even my 7 Inch monitor needs to warm up when i start the PC cold

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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wtaf

valid sky
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But it doesnt glitch that bad

subtle hawk
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i just start everything as normal

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why is bros monitor sped

valid sky
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My 22 Inch monitor is the only monitor that just works xD

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Without acting funny for a minute

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Even if i used VGA

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It just works πŸ’€

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I have an HDMI to VGA adapter lying around

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The only adapter that idh is DVI

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I never used DVI xD

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I used RCA, S-Video, VGA, HDMI, DP

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Never seen myself in a situation that i needed to use DVI

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I always carry a toolbox according to once of my friend πŸ˜‚

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If i came with my bag, its literally portable workbench πŸ˜‚

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I was working with my friends in a project, i busted out a portable monitor and a multimeter and started to work xD

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2nd portable monitor makes me gets work done a lot faster (sometimes 50% less time)

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So yeah, i dont use 2-3 monitors to flex

subtle hawk
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yeah haha

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nice!

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

glossy patrol
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Uhh

restive gazelle
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what the fuck are you doing while the PC is running?

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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cleaning

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the fans

waxen star
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you know we're all gonna laugh when the fans kick on for whatever reason right? XD

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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oh no i stuck it in the fan blade

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it kinda clunked

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but it's fine now

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they spin at a really low rpm (sub 1000RPM)

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the exhaust fans have it sad

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it has to deal with such high heat from the system

valid sky
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Lmao xD

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At least i have 4 exhaust fans

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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nice stuff

valid sky
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One of them exhausts cold air

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Like that area in the case is empty

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I have large area in the case being empty

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Its designed for 5.25” bay

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But never used

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I can use it for water cooling shit tho

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Which i wont

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Paying 600$+

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And having to do regular maintenance

subtle hawk
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5.25 hard drives are

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eh

valid sky
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Or if you have CD drive

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Or floppy disk (if you still use them for some reason)

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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flobby ass

valid sky
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Last time i used it was in 2003?

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Very long time ago

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Even CDs

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If i ever needed to use one, i just bust out my external CD Rom

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Even some people stopped using SATA

subtle hawk
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πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ‘

valid sky
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Ik it can do at least 20km

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I don’t depend on that digital indicator

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I depend on the good old needle indicator

waxen star
hexed citrus
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this is just unrealistic

subtle hawk
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good stuff

subtle hawk
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you need hours of time to physically access their device fTPM

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24 hour ass project πŸ’€

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oh yeah

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isn't intel changing their naming scheme

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seems really dumb

glossy patrol
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It's downright *stupid

waxen star
# hexed citrus this is just unrealistic

Yesn't.
For most common scenarios, it's s waste of time.
But say I were to "somehow" obtain a device from a rivalling enterprise? πŸ‘€
Then that time spent on is using this vulnerability might suddenly become worth it.

hexed citrus
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if you had such a device for such a long time it's easier to just wait for the person to log in than spend that time trying to crack it

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and if you "stole" it then the company will notice the missing computer and damage control way before you get your hands on something useful

waxen star
hexed citrus
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do you realize that nobody keeps trade secrets willy nilly on a office issue computer that any employee can access right

waxen star
hexed citrus
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this whole vulnerability is basically "I can pick this super complex lock that requires hours of patience" to which any other solution would be "just chop down the door"

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shows how much you've worked in the enterprise space then

waxen star
hexed citrus
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and I'm sure those computers run latest ryzen processors

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on windows 11

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with bitlocker enabled

waxen star
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latest? Not really.
But I've seen plenty of Zen2 based machines.

Bitlocker is pretty common.
W11, not really but W10 is.

hexed citrus
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then those bitlocker instances are secured with passwords

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which makes this point moot

hexed citrus
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awfully convenient that you are building this imaginary ideal enviroment for this vuln to maybe be exploited

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that doesn't have other security malpractices or vulnerabilities

waxen star
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Awfully convenient how you appear to know more about how the devices are setup than the guy that worked for a (there are multiple) company providing the damn things. AkagiLUL

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If you know so much, go work for our govt.
Maybe you'll be able to fix the shitfest that is their IT AkagiLUL

hexed citrus
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why didn't you fix it if you're oh so smart

waxen star
hexed citrus
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ah so now you're bringing the excuses out

ruby yarrow
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So basically you just followed the dumb then?

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Or am I missing most of this conversation here

hexed citrus
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basically twisting their narrative to make a big deal out of a voltage glitch vuln

hexed citrus
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lmao says the person that keeps changing the story to suit their needs

waxen star
# ruby yarrow So basically you just followed the dumb then?

There was not much dumb going on that I could do about.

  • We just installed the system according to specs agreed upon by govt + my higher ups.
  • We delivered them.
  • Not our fault they lost a few devices here n there (left it in trains n such).

Tho luckily they had BitLocker + TPM (as per spec) so there (as far as I'm aware off) haven't been major data leaks.
This may change it (altho unlikely retroactively on the devices previously lost)

waxen star
waxen star
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I can't really make up from the article what the "Ultra" is going to do (is it like just additional naming with no meaning or?) but holy crap that's scuffed. AkagiLUL

Literally take the least annoying part of the branding and changing it instead of the more annoying parts (feel free to disagree but I hate that "K"/"KF"/"HX"/"HK" etc. etc. part) AkashiEatGem

glossy patrol
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Yeah, it's really stupid (the Ultra) change

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The numbers afterwards too
Jesus

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I HATE the way consumer naming has gone

mental coyote
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Expecting chipmakers to have logical naming schemes...

glossy patrol
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Like with AMD
Why couldn't you have gone 680/780, ect?
And NVidia, why not 1180, 1280, or atleast 2180, 2280? Ect

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Boils my blood, for real

waxen star
mental coyote
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I try to worry more about the specs. Naming will never be sensible.

waxen star
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I also hate that "Ti", "Super", "XT" and "XTX" cringe, ngl...
Just make it XX65, XX68 etc. or something...
I don't want to remember whether the Ti is supposed to be better than the Super or not and have it wrong. AkashiEatGem

Just be a Chad and go the MikroTik route: CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS

  • CCR -> Cloud Core Router
  • 2xxx -> Series
  • x0xx -> Reserved (unused)
  • 04 -> Core count.
  • 1G -> 1x 1G port.
  • 12S+ -> 12x 10G SFP+ ports.
  • 2XS -> 2x 25G SFP+ ports.

No need to look online everything is right there and people that don't know what it means will have a stroke. AkagiLUL

ruby yarrow
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That's reminding me on how the vin numbers on cars tell you what trim level, engine, color, and make it is

waxen star
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That was a thing? πŸ‘€
TIL.

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oh shit, it actually does... Never even noticed LOL

ruby yarrow
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Yeah I picked that info up on a series called Graveyard Cars, where the guy would explain what part of the numbers meant what

waxen star
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Nice.
I do check VINs a lot when helping friends buy cars but I honestly never even realized that.
Tho it makes sense now that I've heard of it.

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F-me now I have the urge to walk down to my car and check its VIN AkagiLUL

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Interesting... according to my VIN, I have a 2004 car but it's from 2001 XD

subtle hawk
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oh πŸ’€

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lmfaooo

subtle hawk
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idk

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i'm fine with X and S

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like series s and series x

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but then XT XTX TI SUPER

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is weird

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just make the numbers shorter and more defined

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it's just advertising fad

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disgusting stuff

ruby yarrow
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Well I rather have it as a VIN setup so I would know what's what

subtle hawk
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what’s a VIN?

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like an ID number?

waxen star
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kinda

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Vehicle Identification Number

subtle hawk
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oh

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id rather still a simpler scheme for computer parts

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like

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intel core 5114

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intel core 9139

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idk seems easier

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(9)(13)(9)

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or make it even easier

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here let me try amd

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AMD 790

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799x

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799x (x)?????

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issue is they use numbers so stupidly

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honestly lmfao

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intel core i5-21400f sounds better than intel core ultra 2103

valid sky
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just checked

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my paging shit

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17408MB

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seems reasonable

subtle hawk
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yay

valid sky
subtle hawk
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πŸ’€πŸ’€ yeah

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apparently they’re getting a new making scheme

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they’re losing profits

valid sky
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yep, to AMD

subtle hawk
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they’re digging a grave for themselves

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fcking bech

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even nvidia doesn’t name their gpus that bad

valid sky
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the problem with AMD here is its a lot more expensive to build

subtle hawk
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it’s just super and Ti

valid sky
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even super was used once

subtle hawk
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intel? F

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F

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H

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S

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K

valid sky
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U

subtle hawk
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every fucking letter

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i hate it so much

valid sky
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There is T too xD

subtle hawk
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yeah

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those funny funny dum cpus

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iirc there were P cpus

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integrated motherboard cpus

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intel? it’s fine the way it is

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complicating it is really horrible

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making more cpus isn’t helpful, some places can’t stock that much

valid sky
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imagine seeing Core Ultra 5 1406KFHS

subtle hawk
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adding ultra to everything is pretty shit too

subtle hawk
valid sky
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that seems like a product number

subtle hawk
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because it will be

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would it be HFKS tho

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since H as mobile

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F for ni gpu

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and then KS for peak oc

valid sky
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unlocked binned

subtle hawk
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yessss

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make it UB

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core ultra 5 1406HFUB

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πŸ’€πŸ’€πŸ’€

valid sky
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what will be PHUB?

subtle hawk
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wait no

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it’s FHUB

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F

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H

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UB for unlock binned

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instead of KS

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fucking trolling intel harsh

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let me get on pc so i can type better

valid sky
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wait just noticed

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P was used in place of F before xD

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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lmfaooo

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wait let me think of i9

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Intel core ultra max 5 1409XFHUB

valid sky
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H and U cancel each other xD

subtle hawk
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H is mobile

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no?

valid sky
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H = high performance, U = Ultra low power

subtle hawk
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mobile overclocking

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OH

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i'm using U as unlocked

valid sky
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high peroformance mobile xD

subtle hawk
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B as binned

valid sky
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oh i see

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B was used for BGA (solidered) chips

subtle hawk
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intel core ultra max 5 1409
X = super
F = no GPU
H = mobile
U = unlocked
B = binned

valid sky
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which is all of them

waxen star
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G for garbage :s

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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it's such a fking troll

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i hate intels naming scheme and their high power outputs

valid sky
subtle hawk
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yeah for AMD

valid sky
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damn, intel is so complicated

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AMD you just have X, U, H, S and thats it xD

subtle hawk
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AMD ryzen 790

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seems simple

valid sky
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and 3D

subtle hawk
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remove the 0

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AMD ryzen 790X3D

valid sky
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seems like a GPU name tho xD

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

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precisely

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wait no

valid sky
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at least unlike intel, is getting apple slowly with names

subtle hawk
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yeah that's the gpu 7900 xt

valid sky
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iPhone 14 Pro Max Ultra+

subtle hawk
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but i added 3d for marketing

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apple is just hilarious

waxen star
subtle hawk
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iphone 14 pro max ultra+ NOW WITH 6G INTERNET

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watch the ads have colour powder

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and a stack of phones

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πŸ’€

waxen star
subtle hawk
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oh yeah

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  • for 256gb
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++ for 512gb

valid sky
subtle hawk
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++++ for 1024gb

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πŸ’€

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lmfaooo

valid sky
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intel did that b4

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with 14nm architecture

subtle hawk
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iphone fourteen pro max ultra plus plus plus plus

valid sky
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14nm+++++++++++++

subtle hawk
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πŸ’€

waxen star
subtle hawk
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goofy ass marketing

valid sky
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yep xD

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yet i5 draws 200w on stock.....

subtle hawk
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yep

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the +'s show how much pwoer they drop

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the more they have

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the more they do

waxen star
subtle hawk
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my 11400f draws 100 watts

valid sky
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11600kf draws double that

subtle hawk
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THE ONLY REASON WHY IS CUZ IT'S THROTTLING

valid sky
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on stock

subtle hawk
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IF I ACTUALLY unlocked it it'll break itself

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i need a 360mm AIO to cool and i5 with unlocked TDP

valid sky
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on Z590 mobo

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it reachs to like 300W

subtle hawk
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yes

valid sky
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300W is alot for CPU xD

waxen star
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We really need more RISC-based stuff D:

subtle hawk
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nah

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it's really not just that

valid sky
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RISC doesnt run old apps

subtle hawk
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RISC won't solve much if it's just intel being lazy

valid sky
subtle hawk
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i don't really like ARM either

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why?

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it's always stereotyped as the "lightweight architecture"

waxen star
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I personally like ARM quite a bit.

subtle hawk
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i don't like ARM much

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why?

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not enough support yet

valid sky
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im running alot of very old apps xD

subtle hawk
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advanced REVERB microarchitecture

valid sky
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so i guess ARM would cause alot of issues to me

subtle hawk
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yeah

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and theose converters?

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translators?

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they're horrible

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inneficient

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and it's not solving an issue if you're running something slower with more power draw

waxen star
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depends on what you run ofc... I have an ARM-based laptop and run into practically no real compatibility issues.

subtle hawk
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so i personally believe that x86/x64 is superior

subtle hawk
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yeah

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i know

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all apps can run on it

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why?

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their rosetta 2 is just there

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i really don't like it

waxen star
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I mean, that seems more an issue of 3rd party support (which is also starting to catch up) rather than the architecture being better or worse.
Yes, X86-64 has better software support but that doesn't really make it better.
It's horribly bloated, the recent additions made it worse, it wastes a lot of the transistor budget on things like AVX256 and now AVX512...

Overall, I think that ARM is superior to X86-64 by a landslide.
Just need to get more software support for it (even though a lot of software most people need is already there).

subtle hawk
#

being only used by AVX2

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there is no ARM desktop chip

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if there is never one high performing ARM chip

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i will never fully support ARM

#

i use ARM daily, yes, and i do like it

#

i do hope intel still somehow pushes forward

#

and i hope that machine learning/ AI moves to openCL instead of CUDA proprietary

#

i fucking hate cuda

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and how it's always locked in

valid sky
#

AMD does incremental upgrades for 129837281379821 Years

subtle hawk
#

yep

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they'll do it for whatever the 64 bit string is

#

the longeset 64 bit

waxen star
# subtle hawk there is no ARM desktop chip

Depends on what you call "desktop"... since Avantek has one iirc (altho it's more of a "workstation" chip).
Qualcomm is rumoured (so take it with a grain of salt) to announce one in 2024.
ARM is bound to catch up if X86-64 manufacturers don't move forward faster...

subtle hawk
#

i dislike qualcomm

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i fucking hate qualcomm

#

Avantek is workstation

valid sky
subtle hawk
#

which means "SUPER PRICEY"

#

i just hate qualcomm

#

very much

valid sky
#

which i cant find any shop that wants to replace it xD

subtle hawk
#

they're the Intel 3.0 of ARM

valid sky
#

i have replacement parts

subtle hawk
#

overheating, super shit naming scheme, super overpriced

#

i hate qualcomm a lot

#

i hope they don't exist

#

and something else actually makes better products than they do

hexed citrus
#

to access qualcomm products and samples you basically need a blood sacrifice and a NDA that if you breach it you get nuked from orbit

subtle hawk
#

yes

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i don’t like unquan

#

personally i’m more a β€œpaper and wipe” than a β€œthocc keyboard” type

#

told myself i wouldn’t lose earbuds

#

cuz i bought the biggest one

#

nope.

#

i lost yet another pair

#

this time, ITS THE CASE I LODT

#

i can buy a case for 40 cad on ebay

rare herald
#

I know this sounds cringe who listens to online radio

waxen star
waxen star
hexed citrus
#

not really

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they just have a agreement with you that if you need this paperwork and hardware to build a product that you'll put in a specific order amount each quarter

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since they know that if you need their raw product then you're making a commercial product

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qualcomm on the other hand guards its SoCs like they're dragon eggs

waxen star
#

Ah fair

hexed citrus
#

that's why you don't see SBCs or other open source projects use qualcomm chips

#

broadcom docs are open but you need to put in a minimum order quantity with them to get stock

#

and the MOQ is 10k units

#

you also have allwinner and rockchip but both of those are chinese and nobody can get datasheets on them

#

at least ones that are as well documented as any western chip manufacturer

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and translated in english

#

which is why their kernel support is shoddy at best

rare herald
#

what about Samsung's home made Exynos SoC Chips

hexed citrus
#

no idea, never inquired into those

subtle hawk
#

FOG is so smart πŸ’€

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das crazy bro knows the stuff

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fuck yeah

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i love windows and its stupid funny shit

subtle hawk
#

peak

subtle hawk
#

i deleted every registry i could find with network

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i broke it even more

#

i'm happy now, better to not have internet than to have ethernet "2"

#

fixed it

#

yep, took me a full hour to remove the Ethernet number

valid sky
#

Like 2 years in it becomes so slow and hot

#

After 3 years the phone becomes hardly useable

#

At least thats my experience with those chips

waxen star
#

tfw customer wants to use AES for "securing" passwords "because it's what the tutorial he read did so it must be good" BataanCry
Didn't want to believe us when we said it was better to use SHA-384 or Argon2 but no, that wasn't that the tutorial said so they probably weren't as good for password security AkagiLUL

hexed citrus
valid sky
hexed citrus
#

apple silicon goes without saying that unless you work in the doughnut building you're not even getting an ounce of info on it

waxen star
#

Luckily NXP doesn't have a minimum order and datasheets are "decent enough" (afaik, I only had to use them once to fix a car)

hexed citrus
#

NXP, STM32, ESP, AVR are all a different breed of ARM chips

valid sky
#

Is it good? 2TB M.2 for 87$ approx

valid sky
#

It wasnt the fastest nor the greatest

#

But its way smaller than Arduino and performs nearly the same

#

But at least thier datasheet was detailed af

rare herald
#

goodbye kyle it was a nice time watching you and your content all these years ever since you started your channel

you'll be missed a lot

hexed citrus
valid sky
#

Its retailed by amazon

waxen star
hexed citrus
#

TLC DRAM-less NVME

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not good

valid sky
#

Its not gonna be the OS drive

hexed citrus
#

you want a DRAM cache

valid sky
hexed citrus
#

unless all you do is copy and store files on it

valid sky
#

But for secondary drive not as important

rare herald
valid sky
hexed citrus
#

then it'll do

valid sky
#

My main drive is the 970 pro

#

Which served me well for the last 4 years

#

And still got lots of live left on it

hexed citrus
#

I also have a 970 pro 1TB

valid sky
#

Im using 5 years old 860 pro in my laptop

#

Which definatly tells me how important is DRAM

#

5 years and doesn’t slow down

hexed citrus
#

well that's the beauty of overprovisioning

valid sky
#

Samsung 980 non evo is dramless and expensive af

#

Which is why i never recommend that

hexed citrus
#

it's bulk storage

#

not really a high performer

valid sky
#

Yep

#

For mass storage i use 4TB HDD 5400 RPM

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and 1 TB HDD 7200 RPM (Which im planning yo ditch)

hexed citrus
#

my pc is all SSD

valid sky
#

1TB HDD nowadays is useless

hexed citrus
#

the servers are just chuck full of spinning drives

valid sky
#

At least in my country

hexed citrus
#

the storage ones at least

valid sky
#

1TB HDD β‰ˆ 1TB SSD in price

hexed citrus
#

yeah SSDs dropped dramatically in price

valid sky
#

Like the difference is at most 8$

#

Which always worth it

#

If my 1TB HDD died in my PS4

#

I’ll just toss an SSD

#

and forget about it

#

I have alot of dead 2.5” HDDs in my drawer

hexed citrus
#

I have 2 4TB SATA SSDs in RAID0 in the pc for mass storage

#

the same evos you were mentioning

valid sky
#

If 4TB SSD doesnt cost 200$

#

I would’ve got one

hexed citrus
#

being in RAID0 does give a substantial boost to perf

#

since it's hardware RAID not software

valid sky
#

Im trying to go all Solid state, but it will take time

rare herald
valid sky
#

Couldnt find 4TB 7200 RPM

hexed citrus
#

NAS drives just have a bigger warranty and a stricter QC, that's where the price increase over consumer ones comes from

waxen star
rare herald
hexed citrus
#

I can't give much data on the lower capacity drives as I've mostly moved to 16 and 20TB drives but there's a lot of factors that will determine the reliability of the drive

#

amount of IO, manufacturer, manufacturing location, batch, operating environment, capacity, etc

#

generally the big ones (12 TB and up) are more reliable due to the more complex manufacturing process

#

that requires a lot more thorough QC

waxen star
#

Makes me wonder if there's a measurable reliability difference between CMR and SMR drives.

valid sky
#

Which made me worry a bit

#

But if its TLC then good

#

At least not those QLC chips

hexed citrus
#

the NAND is the least of the problems in SSDs

#

the main concern is what controller it runs and what DRAM it has

#

if it has any

valid sky
#

Most of them are Dramless nowadays

#

To cut cost

hexed citrus
#

for the low end budget options sure

#

but the value oriented ones still have DRAM

#

you lose so much perf without a DRAM cache that it's not funny

#

speaking of SSDs

glossy patrol
#

Yeah, even for mass storage, I'd stretch for DRAM
Even if it means going for a SATAIII drive over an NVMe

hexed citrus
#

I should get a PS5 SSD since I filled its internal storage

valid sky
#

Sometimes it becomes as slow as HDD

glossy patrol
#

My boot drive is DRAMless
Cost me Β£10
Yet I use an A2000 for mass, lol

hexed citrus
#

I have the 970 pro for boot, a intel NVMe SSD for a scratch disk and 2 860 evos (I think?) in RAID0 for bulk storage

#

I may pick up a WD or samsung gen4 NVMe for the PS5

#

since the 1TB models are so cheap

waxen star
#

I have an 860 QVO for boot, 2x970 for games + resolve (proxies n stuff) and the rest is just Toshiba HDDs.

glossy patrol
#

I want to ditch my HDD soon

hexed citrus
#

I'm not using mechanical drives in my normal computers but for mass storage you can't beat them

valid sky
#

Also in servers lifespan is a factor

hexed citrus
#

SSDs generally live longer than mechanical

valid sky
#

If you used SSDs in heavily used server with enough Write cycles you can kill it quickly

hexed citrus
#

but SSDs die suddenly compared to HDDs that gradually degrade

hexed citrus
#

nowadays they're more reliable than mechanical for the same warranty period

valid sky
#

I analyzed my SSD useage

hexed citrus
#

obv any drive would die prematurely if you'd constantly put it under stress

valid sky
#

I need 100 years to kill it

valid sky
waxen star
#

Anyone ever heard of "Unisoc" (formerly "Spreadtrum")? Just saw a video on that Nokia G22 but never heard heard of Unisoc so idk if they are even remotely decent?

glossy patrol
#

Putting RAM with unsupported timings/frequency should still run, just capped at the best the platform supports, right?

valid sky
#

Probably, you can play with timings manully too

#

If the kit is 3200 CL16 and best is 2666

#

You can tighten the timings β€œnot so recommended”

#

If your system is mostly used for gaming, dont really bother

#

I upgraded from 2400Mhz CL16 to 3600Mhz CL18, not much of a difference, other than micro stuttering

#

The difference came on applications that are memory intensive

#

There are many systems that support 2666Mhz running 3200Mhz kit here

#

Just run XMP/Expo and carry on

#

The funny thing is that my old 2400Mhz self overclocked itself to 2666 xD

waxen star
glossy patrol
#

Fair enough

#

Was looking for a nice 4x8GB DDR4 kit

waxen star
#

What motherboard + CPU do you have?

glossy patrol
#

X99-A + 6800K

waxen star
#

2400MT/s should be easily doable.
2666MT/s should also be possible.
Anything above that would be a risk I'd rather not take (just not worth it imho).

#

So don't try to jam a 3200MT/s kit in there and enable XMP, setup may not like it. AkashiEatGem

glossy patrol
#

I feel like I may as well get a 3200/3600MHz CL16 kit anyways, no? My next platform will probably be AM4

#

Depends on the price differences I suppose

waxen star
#

yea, just keep in mind you will have to setup your speed manually and not use XMP.

glossy patrol
#

Currently running 3x4GB 2133Hz CL14

waxen star
#

yea... again, just be careful with XMP and you'll be more than fine. UniFlex

glossy patrol
#

Alright, thanks
Any suggested kits that I could check the prices of? I'd prefer RGB, but it's not a necessity

waxen star
#

Not out of my head.
G.Skill is pretty solid in general.

glossy patrol
valid sky
#

Didnt posted until i restarted my PC

#

It was stable at 3733

#

I would try 3866 next

#

If the same 4000

#

Probably wouldnt push it further than 4000Mhz

#

After 4000 is pretty useless

#

Why? Im curious

#

Unlike my friend who’s OC freak

#

He like to OC everything πŸ˜‚

#

He even told me that he i used to his stuff dying

waxen star
valid sky
#

I guess i’ll keep my gpu OCed a bit 24/7

#

Gently OCed

#

+5% power limit, 1965Mhz boost, +500Mhz memory (its samsung VRAMs)

#

It can do +1150Mhz max

#

My old GPU was samsung too, it could do +1300Mhz

waxen star
#

I think my GPU is the only thing I didn't bother overclocking...
Then again, it's a Strix RX 580... Shitbrick with like 0 headroom anyways. AkagiLUL

valid sky
#

Lmao

#

I had RTX 2070

#

Which pushed to 2040Mhz on stock with fresh new thermal paste xD

waxen star
#

nice

valid sky
#

My current GPU has -15Mhz less overclocking headroom

waxen star
#

I mean tbf, I bought thix RX 580, 16GB of RAM, a B450 Prime Plus and 1700X for like 150 bucks about 4 years ago so I'm not complaining much.

valid sky
#

And -150Mhz on memory

valid sky
#

Moving from MSI GPU to Palit GPU

waxen star
#

yuh, was basically a steal considering the GPU alone already went for about 250 at the time. AkagiLUL

valid sky
#

Which isnt bad company

valid sky
waxen star
#

yea, those times were whack

valid sky
#

But I couldn’t sell it

#

Because i wouldnt sit GPUless

#

I had an IGPU

#

but still

waxen star
#

I had an RX480 back in the day that I bought for 95 bucks (2nd hand, already 2 years old) and sold for 400 AkashiEatGem

valid sky
#

Nice xD

#

I would’ve got 3090 for 800$ now

#

Or add 130$ and get brand new 4070Ti

#

But i still dont regret not selling my GPU

#

I seen someone who got really hard hit

waxen star
#

rn I'm not really in the market... GPUs are too expensive imo and I don't wanna risk buying Intel Arc just yet.

valid sky
#

He was asking 130$ for GTX 770 during crisis

#

I told my friend to offer him 80$ and take it

#

That guy refused

#

Now he is still selling it xD

#

Rn it probably worths 20$?

glossy patrol
#

I got quite a bit out of my 570

waxen star
# valid sky I seen someone who got really hard hit

I saw someone sell his RTX2080Ti for like 200 bucks because the RTX3090 got announced AkagiLUL
"I'll be without GPU for like a few days" he said.
But he couldn't get one and had to settle for a GTX1660 (which costed him $250) so he wouldn't be without a GPU for much longer.
I laughed my bloody ass off that day when he told me.

waxen star
valid sky
#

Sitting GPUless is terrible idea, even if you have iGPU

#

for me, idh spare parts

waxen star
valid sky
#

Why should i keep them xD

valid sky
waxen star
#

Especially the part that he lost $50 and had to downgrade from an RTX2080Ti to a GTX1660 AkagiLUL

valid sky
#

And sell them during crisis

waxen star
valid sky
#

But i didnt seen it coming 🀣

valid sky
#

Also i never sell my GPU

#

before having my new one up and running

waxen star
#

Well... I mean... I actually wanted to buy 10K BTC for 15 bucks back in the day to experiment more with the stuff (back when Crypto was still fun to play with and discover)...
They refused saying it's trash and blablabla.

Sure, it's trash but I could have secured my financial life with it AkashiEatGem

valid sky
#

I blame myself for sitting under a rock

#

Also ik my parents would’ve told me

waxen star
#

like the experimentation on it was the primary objective but I wouldn't have said no to a few million bucks in profits πŸ‘€

valid sky
#

β€œDont let them scam you”

#

I got scammed for not letting them scamming me

waxen star
valid sky
#

My brother invested in BTC in 2021

#

Told him to sell if it hitted 68k

#

He didnt

#

I seen the drop coming there πŸ˜‚πŸ€£

#

Every time i tell him he tells me

#

β€œiTs A lOnG tErM iNvEsTmEnT”

#

I didnt had money to invest

#

Otherwise i would’ve sold at 68k

#

And tripled that at 17k

#

The rest is for me

waxen star
#

ah yes, your brother is going for the diamond hands AkagiLUL

valid sky
#

Having shitty idea

#

To make my PC start with a key πŸ˜‚

#

Idh children in my house, which makes it useless

hexed citrus
#

so it's not that dumb of an idea

valid sky
#

But not for a PC πŸ˜‚

hexed citrus
#

you can't turn the key without closing the lid

valid sky
#

If i have children in my house, I would’ve got one

hexed citrus
#

and you can't open the lid with the key engaged

valid sky
#

This key is for bikes

#

But ik with some electrical skills

#

I can convert it to PC one

hexed citrus
#

it's just a dumb switch

#

you can probably just directly plug it in

valid sky
#

Yep into power switch

#

But if im doing it the right way

#

I need to put it between the case button and the power switch

hexed citrus
#

you can wire them in parallel with the case button

valid sky
#

Yep

hexed citrus
#

so either or turns them on

valid sky
#

Nah, im using it to enable or disable power button

hexed citrus
#

if you put them in series you'll need both to be engaged to turn it on

valid sky
#

This way, i can prevent kids from touching the PC

#

Or my brothers in my case

hexed citrus
#

so like a killswitch

valid sky
#

Exactly

hexed citrus
#

I have that on my UAVs

valid sky
#

Noone of my brothers has diagnostic skills to fix that xD

#

If someone did that to me

#

I can just bypass it

#

Open the case, remove the power switch and use screw driver

#

Completely bypassed

hexed citrus
#

that if god forbid the battery catches on fire midflight or some other fatal issue happens I can kill the power and flight capabilities with a turn of a key

valid sky
#

Oh yeah, its useful

hexed citrus
#

my friend that does model rockets uses that for the flight termination system

valid sky
#

Im just scrolling around Aliexpress

#

Maybe i find interesting ideas

hexed citrus
#

my ali purchase history would put me on some sort of watchlist lmao

valid sky
#

Lmao

#

My friend buys anime shit from there

hexed citrus
#

mine is full of big drone parts

valid sky
#

If i got an anime pillow or mouse pad, if it made it throughout customs

#

It wont make it through my house’s customs

hexed citrus
#

I have a waifu mousepad

valid sky
#

Like my friend

#

He told me that his dad seen it and told him nothing

#

I told him my parents would throw it and thow me with it 🀣

#

My aliexpress is buy list is full of phones and diagnostics gadgets

#

And replacement for stuff

hexed citrus
#

very old picture

valid sky
#

Its not bad tho

#

Is that a K70 keyboard?

hexed citrus
#

yes sir

valid sky
#

Same as mine

hexed citrus
#

the 1st gen K70

valid sky
#

But mine is the red LED

#

LUX

hexed citrus
#

yes

#

the lux

valid sky
#

same as mine

hexed citrus
#

with brown switches

#

the keyboard is older than the pc

valid sky
#

Mine are red

#

My old PC was just too crappy to buy anything premium for it

subtle hawk
#

god

#

that mousepad

valid sky
#

Pentium 4 2.66Ghz
1GB memory
Mobo GPU
320GB HDD

hexed citrus
#

the pc is fairly old for its age

valid sky
#

My last PC wasnt crappy

#

Nor my current PC

hexed citrus
#

but when I originally bought it, the specs were top of the line

subtle hawk
#

that's good already

valid sky
#

Currently i have RGB mouse pad with wireless charging

hexed citrus
valid sky
#

Corsair Virtouso SE which i got for less than 100$

#

Corsiar K70 LUX Red LED

#

and Glourous Model D mouse

hexed citrus
#

the whole collage for the mousepad I made in like half an hour in photoshop

valid sky
#

Everyone sees my Corsair Virtouso thought i spent the whole 250$ on it xD

#

Im not rich to buy it on that price i tell them

subtle hawk
valid sky
#

Got it for 95$ instead of 250$

#

And im super satisfied with it

hexed citrus
#

8700K @ 5.3GHz
128GB DDR4-3000 RAM
MSI 1080 Ti
500GB NVMe SSD
2x4TB SATA SSD RAID0

subtle hawk
#

it isn't outdated

#

what

subtle hawk
#

that's like better than my pc

valid sky
#

Its equal to mine πŸ˜‚

hexed citrus
#

it's fairly old by today's standards

subtle hawk
#

wow

#

fair enough

#

but still it's a good PC

valid sky
#

Its my dreams pc in 2018

hexed citrus
#

yeah back then it was literally top of the line

hexed citrus
valid sky
#

I ended up getting i5-8400 and GTX 1050Ti (later upgraded it to RTX 2070)

hexed citrus
#

oh and it has a custom water loop

valid sky
#

Nice

hexed citrus
#

courtesy of EKWB

valid sky
#

My current PC has giant ass air cooler

#

Which i had hard time installing

subtle hawk
#

i wish i could watercool my gpu but damn it's 300 dollars for a waterblock

#

definitely not worth unless i run into some sort of clearance issue

valid sky
#

Because i couldnt see those tiny screw holes

subtle hawk
#

hehe

hexed citrus
#

the only change from then is that it sometimes gets a 4090 slotted into it for when I want to play smth demanding or MSFS

subtle hawk
#

i see

#

i don't have space for a 4090 in this case

#

wait

#

actually, let me check the clearance

hexed citrus
#

mine BARELY fits

valid sky
#

My case is pretty spacious

subtle hawk
#

yeah

#

it's those super cases

#

since 4 exhaust fans

hexed citrus
#

mine is a full tower

valid sky
#

Im trying to hunt for good deal on 3080

valid sky
hexed citrus
#

the case alone is heavy, with the whole pc build inside that thing is heavy

subtle hawk
#

oh lmfao no

#

my m-atx case can fit a 4090

hexed citrus
#

like you can break ur back if you don't lift it correctly heavy

subtle hawk
#

πŸ’€

#

lmfaooooo

hexed citrus
#

the water and the GPU or GPUs make up the most heft

#

and the glass panels

subtle hawk
#

oh mines has no glass

#

which i enjoy a great amount

hexed citrus
#

mine is a steel case with glass panels

subtle hawk
#

nice

hexed citrus
#

doe my next pc will probably be either a steam deck or a SFF build

subtle hawk
#

i'll stick to budget parts for m-atx builds

valid sky
#

Im planning to build a mini-itx PC aswell

#

I got an external monitor

subtle hawk
#

i don't really have a use for ATX or an ITX build

#

ATX is too huge to fit

#

m-atx is just nice

valid sky
#

So yeah, i can have portable PC

hexed citrus
#

I'm tired of my pc occupying half my damn desk

subtle hawk
#

oh i put mines on the floor

glossy patrol
#

MATX cases are pretty shit. Just go with a small ATX tower

valid sky
hexed citrus
#

mine currently sits on the window

subtle hawk
#

i don't like them

valid sky
#

PC + x2 monitors

hexed citrus
#

3 monitors for me

valid sky
#

3rd monitor barly counts

glossy patrol
#

MATX is shit because you restrict yourself out of ATX boards for hardly anys aving

valid sky
#

Since its just 7 inch raspberry pi display

subtle hawk
#

it's significant for me ITTx

#

the versa h17 to the h510 nzxt

#

it's a pretty big difference if you ask me

#

am i losing out on much? No i'm not tbh

hexed citrus
#

but I also have other tools on my desk like oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, logic analyzer, power supply and those also take up space, space that was previously taken by the pc

subtle hawk
#

πŸ’€ FOG is a technical guy

valid sky
#

Might learn how to repair phones

hexed citrus
#

my SMD station with all the soldering gear sit on the adjacent table

glossy patrol
subtle hawk
#

it's significant for me

#

and if it is significant for me

#

i'll enjoy it

valid sky
#

For me either ATX or mini-ITX

#

I dont like in between

subtle hawk
#

fair

hexed citrus
#

I have eATX kekw

subtle hawk
#

πŸ’€ he has space