technology

[subtle hawk]

yeah

idk

i'm not a fan on samsug

[subtle hawk]

huh? At least it is Samsung, right?

[silver kite]

I'm a Xiaomi user, and I wish I should've bought Nokia instead

[waxen star]

I don't know what I'd have bought otherwise tho... I kinda really hate the smartphone market atm... tho probs my next phone will be a fairphone since I want it to last rather than be fast.

[silver kite]

I use Redmi 9A

and I should've got Nokia C20 instead

[subtle hawk]

Everyone here hates Xiaomi eh... Even it is cheap

[hard lion]

I just want Android phone with headphone jack. Right now using Samsung

[waxen star]

Yea... cheap doesn't matter too much if the software is garbage.
Like, I'd take iOS over Xiaomi's Android any day... Which considering I hate the way iOS works should say a lot

[buoyant sapphire]

What is the best audio driver for a machine that uses an AMD cpu?

[glossy patrol]

Whatever's on your system already, mate

[buoyant sapphire]

Are you sure stock drivers are okay? I don't need Dolby or Realtek for higher quality audio?

[subtle hawk]

well, budget cannot make me choose something too much so, I am choosing Samsung and buy in next 6-12 months alone is already "!!!" for me

it is 1 year and 1 month left before my 5 year mark of my VIVO V15(Already a time to change it, my "optimal condition" threshold), but can't prep like... 1000 US$ for an iOS with their scummy shit, at best 334$ or I can break it up to 500 US$ and buy the phones recc above but they are too outdated by later standards so eh?

Nord 1: 2020
6a: 2022(still can accept this but eh?)
Note 10: 2019(Nani?!), same year as my Vivo V15

Genshin and NIKKE might make them get waaay too hot

eh, Realme is OPPO

[glossy patrol]

Why do you care so much about release date/ The only real difference is update support

Some 2022/2023 phones are using processors from like five years ago

And no their release date has nothing to do with them possibly becoming too hot

[waxen star]

Go to the manufacturer of your motherboard, download whichever one they provide, call it a day.
When it comes to audio drivers, or a lot of drivers in general... It's kind of a "if it works, it works" kinda deal.
Sometimes new updates give more performance/features or fix bugs but outside that? meh.

[subtle hawk]

hmmmm... okay if you said so... but still, for me, it just matter a bit... sorry

[waxen star]

My 9t Pro becomes either really hot or stays nice and cool...
It all kinda just depends on where I lay them, what I lay on top of them and which side the screen is facing (up or down) :^)

[glossy patrol]

Mine only throttles noticeably when I;m charging and doing much more than I should at once

[subtle hawk]

hmmm... ok...

[subtle hawk]

oh

i see

i love oneplus

[rare herald]

I'm getting one of this but I don't know if it's gonna be useful for everyone

https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-ae-9

[ruby yarrow]

Wait Sound Blaster is still a thing? I thought they were left for dead back in the late 80s early 90s

[quartz atlas]

i just use this via usb input

onboard sound cards kinda eh

[rare herald]

they still are going strong lol I just visited their Main HQ office building in my country a few weeks ago

[ruby yarrow]

I mean I haven't heard about them since like the 90s or so.... Man I now feel old

[quartz atlas]

they dipped for awhile

but coming back pretty strong now

im using one of their soundbars rn

pretty great for the price

[rare herald]

proud to support a Singapore made product as a Singaporean lol

[silver kite]

My tablet is imported from Japan so there are a few Japanese only keys

Are there any Japanese layout users here? So I can know what these keys are used for.

[glossy patrol]

Internal sound cards are dumb as fuck. Don't waste your money

Especially if you don't have the audio equipment that could even see a potential improvement

[rare herald]

the only things I could see needing it in my house are my $2000 studio monitors and my dad's 11.2.4 surround sound home theater I guess??

[glossy patrol]

Then get a good external DAC + Amp

Also hella cringe message

[paper goblet]

I use this:

Came with my cloud 2, way better than my on board audio

[quartz atlas]

I used to use that

Like 6 years ago

[paper goblet]

LMAO

[quartz atlas]

Then I ditched gaming headphone

[paper goblet]

Mine will turn 3 this year

Good enough for me and I got it for relatively cheap

[quartz atlas]

Proper entry level cans aren't expensive either

I started with the he4xx

https://drop.com/talk/126468/take-back-your-tax

[paper goblet]

~50€ back in 2020 for Cloud 2's, good enough for me, I'm not an audiophile

[quartz atlas]

Oh that's really cheap

[paper goblet]

It was a huge upgrade from the noname ones I had before, and as I said, I'm not an audiophile

[glossy patrol]

Your on-board must have been horrific for this to have been an improvement

[paper goblet]

It was 50€ because the box was allegedly damaged, but it was in perfect condition lmao

[paper goblet]

I have a B450M Mortar Max

It has ALC892/897 according to MSI

[glossy patrol]

Yeah, no way that in-line is better than your onboard then

[paper goblet]

It is at least to me it's a pretty noticeable difference

[glossy patrol]

Doubt

Anyways, I used to use some MH751's. Amazing headset until they broke. I now use some Pixel Bud Pro's

[inland marsh]

Eh, onboards are at a huge disadvantage for simply being in a not-exactly-EMI-friendly environment in the first place

Most of them are only a couple cm away from VRM, right next to ethernet magnetics

[rare herald]

I started with my uncle's old SE-864

[quartz atlas]

My first proper ones were the ie800

Bout a decade ago LOL

Now I use tws

Can't beat the convenience

[glossy patrol]

And the same goes for most internal PCIe cards. Depending on the board, most on-board is more than enough for anything that doesn't have high impedance, and you'd not often find cases where EMI is a large problem nowadays
If you want to really improve your audio, you should go external, and that's only if you have something like headphones that could actually benefit to begin with

[glossy patrol]

?

[waxen star]

meh, unless you want to use an XLR mic or high impedance headphone (like DT-770 Pro 250 Ohm) or have a very low-end mobo? Not really that useful...
Most modern on-board audio solutions are more than solid.

If you really don't want to use the onboard stuff, just use a Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen...
Over here, for the price of that Sound Blaster, you can literally get:

• The Audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen)
• A DT-770 Pro
• Still have 40 bucks left

[glossy patrol]

Why do people keep reacting with gems to my mesaages

[inland marsh]

XLR mic
Only if it's balanced, esp condenser one. Otherwise it doesn't really make that much of a difference tbf

[inland marsh]

It depends I guess, the equation is a bit skewed when your mains has built in ground loop straight from the utility

[waxen star]

idk why others do it, I just do it as like an "upvote" kinda thing.

[glossy patrol]

IC. Couldn't tell if it was a sort of upvote or if it was mockery, saying this message is a gem, or something

[waxen star]

I mean, it was more a thing of: If you need the connector (eg. already have a mic for it or looking at one currently etc).
Tho USB mics ahve come to the point of being "more than enough" nowadays.

[waxen star]

Fair.

[glossy patrol]

FSR sure is a blessing

[subtle hawk]

i like DLSS more

why? idk

[glossy patrol]

Because DLSS is better
But
It's NVidia exclusive
So

[waxen star]

DLSS is better from a performance and quality standpoint... but indeed, it's a vendor lock-in so I cba since there is a "good enough" alternative

Then again, I play most of my games in 720p windowed (just keeps it more consistent + puts more info in my view focus) so eh.

[subtle hawk]

yeah

i hate its exclusivity

so amd FSR ftw

i'll still use DLSS cuz i can, but if i can't, AMD FSR is defninitely what i'll use

or the intel XeSS

[waxen star]

I never tried Intel XeSS so I can't comment on that.

[subtle hawk]

yeah same lmfao

soon to have the intel arc a770

but i bet you the 3060 i have will never die

[waxen star]

idk if I'm gonna by an Arc tbf...
It does look neat on paper but I want it to prove itself first before making the jump... Especially since it can seriously affect my production capabilities (and sanity...)

[quartz atlas]

I wanted to buy an arc lol

But not available in Singapore

So too bad

[mental dagger]

Yay

[subtle hawk]

The thing with it id

Idc if it's unstable

I just like Intel

16gb vram is delicious too

[glossy patrol]

"I just like Intel"
Zzzzz

[waxen star]

ngl... imagine liking Intel after the spanking they got from AMD the past few years

[hexed citrus]

imagine being a fanboi for any brand

[waxen star]

True.

||Unless it's Ampere ||

[glossy patrol]

That was indeed my point
The brand doesn't really matter if the product is good, unless their policies or some such also influence the product negatively

[quartz atlas]

I wanna support a 3rd player in the space

So that the duopoly is broken

More sales also means more motivation and $ for them to improve the product

[waxen star]

That's true to a degree.
If I had money that I could spend on a gamble like that, I would have done it.
But I don't have a disposable income like that, so the risk is too big for me to take.

[hexed citrus]

we consumers won't make a dent to convince the director board

[glossy patrol]

^^

[waxen star]

iirc, Intel sold like 5M units in total (don't quote me on the exact number)... So 1 GPU won't really do anything no.

[vagrant holly]

It's not up to the consumer to support a 3rd competitor anyway

All you should be doing as a consumer is just get the best product you need for the best price

Intel can take it it's not some small mom and pops shed in their family backyard

[glossy patrol]

Yep

[subtle hawk]

3060 shouldn't die in a few years tho

so like

i'm safe

[glossy patrol]

GPUs have a high chance to last well over a decade so yeah

My 1070 is like 7 years old

[waxen star]

My RX580 is also like 6 years old.
Still works fine for a lot of games.

The biggest issue I tend to run in, is related to memory (be it RAM or VRAM) and me never really re-installing my OS to clean it

[subtle hawk]

Lmfao 12gn vram

I should be find

Fine

[civic mason]

Can i ask why my loading screen just stand here for like 15 minutes pass but no load to game
I use wifi connection
I still think it good and not have disruption problems

[subtle hawk]

reboot game

also @civic mason #tech-support

better support there

[quartz atlas]

every lil bit counts honestly, i believe in the ripple effect

[crystal sonnet]

and my 4790 build is complete

I just need the GTX 1050 that my late friend left. just talked to his wife of getting it out of his old PC for me, and fix the fan.

or just scrap the OG fan and strap a case fan over the heatsink instead

[glossy patrol]

GHonna be honest, that looks depressing

[waxen star]

I'm getting PTSD from that PSU, ngl.

[glossy patrol]

This was my 4790 machine, lol

[crystal sonnet]

Yeah, with the exception of the main components like the CPU, motherboard, and RAM, the rest are new old parts that I haven't been used for, idk, 5 years? they are still in their original boxes.

though, my room got some serious ant and termite infestation once that ruined my old bookshelf where I put some of the parts, they work just fine after a quarter bottle of alcohol and a soft toothbrush.

[crystal sonnet]

that's the cleanest I can go without resorting to hard elbow grease and risking the fan and inner components of the PSU. dw it works fine.

[waxen star]

The dust isn't the part I'm worried about

[waxen star]

I love the "I'll just drop the SSD here I guess" attitude.

[crystal sonnet]

At least I used the old SD card mount of my case to put on my SSD ez

[crystal sonnet]

cable management or rather just the sheer amount of mess thst non modulars give headaches with?

[waxen star]

The fact the PSU doesn't really look like it was made with quality in mind.

read: I wonder when it'll go kaboom

[crystal sonnet]

the risk of buying a local brand.

[waxen star]

fair

[crystal sonnet]

but I'm not really worried, I've seen cheaper stuff that are like 5-15 quid and starts smoking when those poor boys fired their GTX 1650

and I tested this little puppy with an RX 5700 XT for around 2 hours at a buddy's house and it runs well.

ofc I keep in mind that it will only hold to around 400 Watts

[glossy patrol]

Just FYI but... That means nothing

[subtle hawk]

Hi guys im new

[waxen star]

Hii new

[waxen star]

What about Over Current Protection? Short Circuit Protection? Over Temperature Protection?
What's the lifetime of the caps? Does it properly handle the switch-off spike?
There's a lot more to a PSU than just delivering power...

I have a PSU laying around here that can provide 450W just fine even though it's a 300W PSU...
But it has no OTP or OCP to speak off so I wouldn't dare to use it in a real-world environment.

[subtle hawk]

current build for me

i love this thing a good lot

but i just can’t find a cpu cooler that is under 155mm that can actually do sum

[crystal sonnet]

it has, it has, and it has, based on the documentation that I have with it. And as far as I can tell, when it was brand new, my tech nerd buddy tested it at his house and said that those features are present.

They claimed that it has the typical 10-year "solid Japanese" caps lifetime, but the thing is it's kinda like a Chinese make-believe situation, (and the more plausible explanation may be that they are Taiwanese Caps which has a 5-year lifetime).

by the way, after a bit of a digging I did when I bought it brand new, I found out that the PSU is a rebrand of a FSP line (more specifically, the newer Hexa series, not the old ones).

and later on, I do have a plan to switch it with either a Seasonic,.a Cooler Master, or an EVGA, whichever has a sale on. So for now I'm just seeing how much this PSU will go (not that I'm gonna go the distance and pull the RTX 3090 trick, mind you)

[solar steppe]

meanwhile this is how my first built pc looked, wire hell

[lilac spindle]

that PCIE wire spaghetti

[inland marsh]

I wish newer PSU standard finally get away with 24pin Molex MiniFit, and the legacy voltages, and the nonsensical pinout

[lilac spindle]

ATX 12VO does away with that

problem is it means the point of failure goes from PSU to Mobo now

[inland marsh]

Regulations, ripples and transient responses will be much better with Point of Load conversions

Even more so with 3v3 that will only get even more usage

PoL regulations will also finally lessens the impact of supply quality on power delivery

i.e. it won't matter anymore if your PSU gives 11v or 13v

Thinking about it, might as well raise the voltage to 18v (19v?) since modern switching MOSFETs are usually rated at 25v or 30v.
But that probably way too big of a change to make

Well, halving the chance of burning connectors probably worth doing

[little seal]

just take your time on the cable management, like I did with mine.

[waxen star]

It may have those protections, but do they work properly? Remember the Gigabyte PSUs from about 2 years ago? They had OPP and OCP... They just didn't work properly leading to kabooms.

How did your buddy test them? Did he just overload them and hope for the best? Or does he have access to something like an SM-268 and knows how to use it?

If they are rebrands from the Hexa+ series, you basically confirmed me in saying it's shit.
Anything below Hydro G, Dagger SFX and Aurum CM are wonky at best.
Even Aurum CM I'd rather not put in any build.

Just don't be surprised if the thing Ara-Ara's your entire PC soon.

[waxen star]

Honestly, if you'd see my personal PC builds, you'd suffer a stroke
I spend exactly 0 minutes cable managing it.

[crystal sonnet]

more like just tried to stress test it with both Furmark and Prime95 and see if there were any smoke or sparks from within for iirc 3 hours, with the toaster back then that was GTX 480 and the fryer that was the i7 9xx series (mine was 930, his was 950). other than the heat that he anticipated, no issues with pulling 375+ W on the meter non stop for that 3 hours until his house's breaker tripped (which often happens with small households with less than 2200 VA power capacity)

Well, you take what you can get, and I do have my own estimates in case this system shit itself, and also some precautions just in case. Lucky you to be able to access better parts with your budget.

I've seen folks where I live trying to push their Ryzenswith cheapo Antec, Enlight,or Seasonic units. A college almamater of mine even ran his Ryzen 5 video editing rig with an RTX 3060 for 2 years with a 50 quid Seasonic. still runs today, but he doesn't use it anymore because he has a different job which only requires him to use a laptop.

well, that's quite extending it, so I close my case.

I am saving for a better budgeted system, but I don't think I'll be able to get it until the end of the year

[inland marsh]

The thing with PSU is that its failure mode can be quite unpredictable unless it's outright defective, straight up fraud, or still very close to the near side of the bathtub
"Normal" loading even with benchmark software isn't quite testing edge cases as far as QA goes. It's mostly continuous load after all. You won't know how it handle transient load, or cross load, or even what happen when there's brownout on the mains, etc.

Also check your mains wiring if putting load on it causes slow trip. I bet it's still on the old TN-C wiring system

Or does he have access to something like an SM-268 and knows how to use it?
You don't even need a dedicated lab grade programmable DC load to do the test. Strategically configuring several 1R 100W resistors is enough. Add a shunt transistor if you need fine tuning, which is exactly the same with how loads like SM-268 works anyway. It'll cost you about $30 instead of $1300

[waxen star]

Yuh, then again, it was more of a thing of "poke a screwdriver in it to see what happens" vs "actually test the thing".

[mental dagger]

it's taking soo long to download

[odd juniper]

🤨

[subtle hawk]

How come ios is more bloated than android?

[waxen star]

That highly depends on which Android ROM you're using.
I have a feeling Xiaomi ROMs are more bloated than iOS.

[subtle hawk]

I'm using Galaxy S23

[gloomy tinsel]

oh yea, Mi Video always giving shit content and always be there

can't wait to throw this Poco F3 around

also for almost 2 years of using.
these 4500mah battery only got 3700mah of juice on full capacity

[subtle hawk]

Because it was a 80 MB download while on ios its like 2.9 gb to download off the store

[waxen star]

I have a wallpaper that I've picked myself (just some Shimakaze artwork, nothing major)... Yet still I find my phone asking me constantly if maybe I'm interested in like "livening up my phone with their selection of wallpaper"...
NO.

[restive gazelle]

ah yes, the wallpapers no one wants

[subtle hawk]

ah yes

i love those

[waxen star]

Ikr XD

[gloomy tinsel]

accidentaly it popped up

[inland marsh]

Idk if they have region-specific BS, but somehow I never get any annoying BS from them

[gloomy tinsel]

maybe EU doesn't get it tho

[waxen star]

I am EU.

[hexed citrus]

I don't get it

[subtle hawk]

https://youtu.be/4gZwaIjpZB0

[somber sky]

I got a 4tb nvme ssd for 225 today

[subtle hawk]

goodie

hope it doesn't die fast

[valid sky]

I have 4TB HDD in my PC xD

I almost have every type of storage in my PC xd

M.2 NVme
SSD
7200 RPM HDD
5400 RPM HDD

[subtle hawk]

wow that's good

i only have two SSD's and 1 hdd

500GB, 1TB, 2TB

solidly solid

[valid sky]

I have
500GB M.2 NVme (Gen 3)
512GB SSD
1 TB HDD 7200 RPM from my old rig
4TB HDD 5400 RPM

I’ll probably ditch that 1TB HDD for 2TB NVme

[subtle hawk]

500GB boot drive (gen 3)
1 TB nvme SSD (gen 3)
2 TB HDD 5400rpm SMR

good shit

yt-dlp onto ssd

compress -> archive onto HDD

[valid sky]

Not gonna ditch my 4TB HDD anytime soon

[subtle hawk]

send data from HDD onto NAS or some friends cloud storage

cuz i'm not surviving on a crimply 1tb

[valid sky]

Nice

[subtle hawk]

and my nas is full of movies, games, and anime 💀

[valid sky]

I have all of that in my 4TB HDD

The rest of storages i use for OS and priority games and stuff

[subtle hawk]

filling

[valid sky]

Nice xD

[subtle hawk]

no BTRFS sadly

only ext4 so there's chances of data loss

i tried using my sisters google account for backing up since it was unlimited

but school noticed and took it down

💀

[valid sky]

You may consider RAID or something like that

[subtle hawk]

RAID1 yes

cuz it's only a 2 bay system

[valid sky]

More than RAID1 is probably overkill

[subtle hawk]

yeah

fair

[valid sky]

I consider building NAS server too xD

Instead of copying the same stuff 3-4 copies

[subtle hawk]

ahaha yeah

[valid sky]

Or using google drive which is already limited

[subtle hawk]

fck google drive

i need unlimited storage

20-30TB is needed

but why don't i have it? I'm broke

[valid sky]

Thats the same reason for me xD

[subtle hawk]

the fractal node 304 is something i want though

[valid sky]

I tried to build sub 200$ build

But its scam xD

I just upgraded my entire PC 3 months ago

[subtle hawk]

haha

[subtle hawk]

5 bay m-atx case

it's super hot

but expensive

[valid sky]

i5-8400 -> i5-11600KF
16GB 2400Mhz C16-> 16GB 3600Mhz C18
NZXT S340 -> Cooler Master TD500
RTX 2070 -> RTX 3060Ti (FREE UPGRADE)

I only carried my 650w PSU and storage with me

Even the cooler Hyper 212 upgraded it to Thermalright PA 120 SE

That cooler went from overkill to not enough to cool CPU xD

Also i got most of the stuff 2nd hand

So it costed me little

[subtle hawk]

ooooh

nice

i've had this pc for a good while now

i5-11400F
16GB 3200mhz CL16
RTX3060 (140% power limit)
500W BR psu
cooler master i71c cpu cooler
Thermaltake Versa H17 (aka. Choking PC case)

literally no air vents

like

it's fully suffocating

that's why my intake fans are maxxed out and my exhaust fans are on low

i'll have to figure out how to put more HDD's onto this pc

5 sata slots right

but the issue is that this case has little to no storage, since my PSU is not modular

[valid sky]

Damn, i had PSU like this

But my old case had alot of room

My current case doesnt

Also only x2 HDDs

[subtle hawk]

Kekw

[mental dagger]

But I like Windows 10

[valid sky]

Windows 11 is alright now

On launch it was glitchy

That i wait for 4 months before upgrading

I dont face bugs with it (unless with really specific things)

Like some engineering programs

[mental dagger]

I haven't upgraded to w11 yet

[valid sky]

If your CPU is 11th gen or before or AMD, it doesn’t matter

[vagrant holly]

2025 is quite a while away

You can use win10 until then

[mental dagger]

I just have very old hardware. Which is not compatible with W11

[vagrant holly]

Surely you'll be able to upgrade in 2 years

[mental dagger]

Originally the OS was a Win7 which was then upgraded to W10

[vagrant holly]

So what are you missing

Tpm?

[mental dagger]

I have no idea

[vagrant holly]

It should tell you

[mental dagger]

I need to check when I get home.

[vagrant holly]

There was a piece of software

Don't remember the name now

Uuhhhh

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-check-if-your-device-meets-windows-11-system-requirements-after-changing-device-hardware-f3bc0aeb-6884-41a1-ab57-88258df6812b

Here

[valid sky]

I have problem with some engineering related programs

[vagrant holly]

Pc health check should tell you if your pc is compatible or not

[valid sky]

It only works on older W10 builds or before

[vagrant holly]

If it's just tpm missing, it will tell you straight away

[valid sky]

You can completely bypass TPM

With few tricks

Some people got Core 2 to work with W11

[vagrant holly]

I don't wanna do that

[valid sky]

Yep, doesnt worth the hassle

[mental dagger]

I don't want to stress out my desktop like the school does with their yoga 11e

[valid sky]

While W10 can work with CPUs as old as Pentium III

[vagrant holly]

Tpm 2.0 just seems like a good piece of tech for general security

[valid sky]

From 1997

[vagrant holly]

I wouldn't mind having it

[valid sky]

If you have 8th gen CPU or later from intel, its mobo should support TPM 2.0

but might need to enable it from BIOS

[vagrant holly]

I don't think tpm has to do with cpus

[valid sky]

I guess Ryzen 3000 too

[valid sky]

Yep, its mobo

[vagrant holly]

Pretty sure it's a component mounted on the mobo

[valid sky]

You can buy TPM 2.0 as seperate part for old mobos

[vagrant holly]

You can buy it separately if you don't wanna upgrade the whole thing

It's like 15-20 euros

[valid sky]

Yep

In 2021 it got scalped

Now its back to normal

But yeah, unless security is main concern with you, you can live just fine with TPM 1.2

Like some companies

But yeah, W10 is good until 2025

You may upgrade the whole thing before it becomes out of support

Windows 11 initial requirements were CPU with x64 instruction set

Which in theory should work with even Core 2 Duo E7500 from 2006

[mental dagger]

Alr

[inland marsh]

It's not like W10 suddenly stop working after supports end

If you're concerned about compatibility and security that much you can always dedicate an air gap system for it

A lot of our CAM/CNC boxes still run XP or even 98

[rare herald]

Going from 2tb sata SSD for windows boot drive to 512gb m.2 for windows now

[glossy patrol]

(M.2s can also be SATA)

Also, I tried everything short of modifying the installer itself (including registry edits) but I couldn't bypass Win 11's CPU requirement. Still annoyed

[inland marsh]

Cant bypass it using rufus?

[valid sky]

Yeah, alot of shops here still runs XP just fine xD

[glossy patrol]

I hadn't gone down that route. I was running the installer through Win 10

[valid sky]

Yep, its bot easy to bypass OS installer xD

You will need to modify it somehow

My PC decided to turn on by itself (again) xD

Idk if it wants me to use it or what xD

I love you too….

[rare herald]

It's a nvme m.2

[glossy patrol]

You missed the point but k
Your Discord username is also yikes

[glossy patrol]

Just looked it up. I suppose I'll try Rufus next

[valid sky]

I love this screen, but i hate this defect

It does that for 15 seconds - 1 minute before it goes back to normal

It only happened like 2 years past warranty

But i like pranking my friends that it s broken xD

Been using it for almost 5 years now

[rare herald]

It's just a bunch of Oshi Marks

[waxen star]

Depends.. It can be CPU and/or Motherboard.
Old generations (Pre-Haswell and Pre-Zen) need a dedicated addon for it.
Intel from Haswell onwards has embedded it in their PCH (motherboard) as part of the "Intel Management Engine", AMD Zen and onwards has it on the CPU (as part of the "AMD Platform Security Processor").

Ignoring "business" (like Intel vPro) and server chipsets ofc.

[vagrant holly]

I see

[subtle hawk]

the noctua nh-d9l looking real fine

[mental dagger]

I am a programmer now

[waxen star]

I think I have that in my server

Either that or something very similar...

jepp, NH-D9L

[subtle hawk]

yes

i want that for my primary pc

cuz the cooler master i71c isn’t cutting it

155mm cpu cooler height

that’s my only grit

can’t fit the 212

[waxen star]

D:

[subtle hawk]

yeah

ever heard of the thermaltake versa h17?

that’s my case

[waxen star]

neat looking case but it just screams "choke me harder daddy" when I see that front XD

[subtle hawk]

yessssss

yeah lmfao it’s such a choke

it was on discount tho

and it’s pretty good

[waxen star]

fair xD

[waxen star]

+1 for dat cup

[subtle hawk]

got the 3060

[subtle hawk]

got a broken gpu

sagging harder than me

so i use a cup

i love cup

[waxen star]

if it works, it works

[subtle hawk]

yessssir

it’s how it be

it’s a good cooler tho

triple fan for a 165w gpu

[waxen star]

nice

[subtle hawk]

60c even under “choke me” status

[waxen star]

looks nice n chonky as well so lots of surface area probs

[subtle hawk]

yesss

i me a 3060

or the a770

[subtle hawk]

POGGGERS

ECCC RAM

my nas has 512mb non ecc

even a raspi does better

[waxen star]

64GB yuh

[subtle hawk]

ddr3?

or ddr4

[waxen star]

DDR4

[subtle hawk]

POGGGERS

[valid sky]

My camera isnt clear sadly

I would’ve pictured my PC otherwise

[subtle hawk]

Fair

Putting my PC on full load makes it throttle in 2-3 minutes

I need better cpu cooling

Normally it runs at 3.9-4.2ghz

Bottled to 1.8ghz

[valid sky]

But my PC specs are:
CPU: Core i5-11600KF
Motherboard: ASUS TUF B560 Plus WiFi
Cooler: Thermalright PA 120 SE (this mf CPU pulls upto 200W)
Memory: 16GB (2x8) DDR4 3600 C18
GPU: Palit RTX 3060Ti LHR
PSU: EVGA 650W G2 80+ Gold
Case: Cooler Master TD500 mesh
Storage:
I. Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 NVme
II. Silicon Power 512GB SSD SATA
III. WD Blue 1TB HDD 7200 RPM
IV. WD Blue 4TB HDD 5400 RPM

[subtle hawk]

Good shit

[valid sky]

Dont use prime95

[subtle hawk]

Palit is LIT

[subtle hawk]

That's AIDA64 extreme

[valid sky]

If will fry your CPU probably

Oh

[subtle hawk]

Ye

Bagged a copy

Using it like

Yes

[valid sky]

I used prime95 with my CPU

It pulled 201W xD

[subtle hawk]

Yk why?

It's attempting AVX512 workloads

And AVX512 is the most demanding process for a cpu

[valid sky]

Oh

87C even with giant cooler xD

[subtle hawk]

Normally AVX2 is used (256 bit string)

It's a universal one, AVX2

but avx512 is Intel exclusive, and it's super demanding

That's what I know about it

[valid sky]

I see

[subtle hawk]

It might be inaccurate

AHVA panels my beloved

[valid sky]

Im using 3 monitors here

[subtle hawk]

Going sturdy as a display after 2 years rn lol

1 monitor

I plan on getting a colorimeter to tune the colours

Why?

I have no clue

[valid sky]

1. Samsung CHG70 1440p 144Hz
2. LG MK22 1080p 75Hz
3. Rasperry PI 7 Inch screen from china

[subtle hawk]

Damn

Bros wild

I want more but the price

And my table is small too

Humble setup

[valid sky]

The 3rd monitor costed me 40$ from China

[subtle hawk]

💀💀

[valid sky]

And it has touch too

[subtle hawk]

Real

I realize why the cpu overheats, it's cuz I put it on a unlocked tdp

So its drawing as much power as it wants, leading to high temps

[valid sky]

How much power it draws?

[subtle hawk]

Normally the TDP is 65

[valid sky]

Max

[subtle hawk]

100-120

I have a i71c

[valid sky]

Mine draws 125 minimum under load xD

125W-200W

[subtle hawk]

This thing

I'd the cooler

It ain't effective enough

[valid sky]

Its designed to pull like 85-95w TDP?

[subtle hawk]

65w

The cooler is meant to handle 90w

I make it handle 100+

[valid sky]

I used Hyper 212 with i5-8400

It was overkill

[subtle hawk]

I use matx case

Not enough clearance for 212

[valid sky]

Used it with i5-11600KF, it couldn’t handle it

[subtle hawk]

Thinking of a 120mm AIO or a Noctua nh-d9l

[valid sky]

You may consider those SFF coolers

[subtle hawk]

Yes

I will when I have money

It was 25 bucks

It works tbh

[valid sky]

I got the most future proof cooler that i could find for 40$ xD

On paper it draws 265W of heat

But in reality it struggles after 240W

[subtle hawk]

💀💀

[valid sky]

I may consider undervolting my CPU too

[subtle hawk]

Average deception

I can't undervolt since non k

So I struggle

[valid sky]

It spikes to 1.5V

Which is alot

[subtle hawk]

I only get 1.1-1.2v

B560 matx motherboards barely supply

[valid sky]

My i5-8400 was like that too

[subtle hawk]

I'm using speed shift too

Not speedstep

[valid sky]

It wasnt pulling more than 61W tho

[subtle hawk]

So that could be a reason

It's just going hard as it can

[valid sky]

I see

Idk maybe i would undervolt my CPU to 1.35V

1.5V might kill it long run xD

[subtle hawk]

1.2 is nice

[valid sky]

Temps are fine

[subtle hawk]

1 volt is best

[valid sky]

But voltage is kinda too high

My friend with Ryzen 5 3600 is getting 1.5V spikes too

[subtle hawk]

Holy shut

Shit

I never get that

[valid sky]

Its just ASUS Motherboards going crazy with power limits

The hard limit is 1.8V

Im not doing LN2 xD

My old MSI Mobo wasnt doing that

I have ASUS Enhancers off too

[valid sky]

I cant go below 1.35V

Since im running XMP

and memory controller needs that 1.35V

Also CPU may not be stable below it xD

Its 125w chip

I got that CPU for little below 150$ (Unopened box 2nd hand)

So it was great deal for me xD

[subtle hawk]

oh haha

i see

i run stock ram

2666mhz cl16

16gb ddr4

[valid sky]

I tried to overclock my ram to 3733

It ran fine

Idk how much further i can push it

My GPU overclocks fine too, but i run it stock

If i had Z590 mobo i would’ve attempted 5Ghz+ on CPU

[subtle hawk]

my 2666mhz could go to 3600mhz cl18

it ran ok

i fed it 1.4v

i don't bother with gpu OC

[valid sky]

Thats a bit too much

On the memory

[subtle hawk]

i get 5 extra frames for 80 watts

[subtle hawk]

wasn't it 1.5v that was too much

lmfao

1.35 -> 1.4

it ain't too bad

[valid sky]

I mean its a bit to the high side xD

[subtle hawk]

yeah haha

it was for like a day

[valid sky]

I did 3733 on the 1.35V stock

Idk if i can push it further

[subtle hawk]

kekw

[valid sky]

Its XMP profile is 3600Mhz CL18

[subtle hawk]

ah

my xmp is 2933mhz cl16

so going to 3600mhz cl18 is good

micron sticks so it's OC'able enough

[valid sky]

If im going CL20 1.4V

I would do 4000+

[subtle hawk]

poggers

do it

[valid sky]

Upgrading my 2400Mhz to 3600Mhz wasnt much fps wise

But everything else got better

And micro stutters went away entirely

2400Mhz CL16 was too slow

But intel CPUs dont care as much as AMD CPUs

2400Mhz to 3600Mhz in gaming wasnt much of difference (10 FPS Max)

But 1% and 0.1% got a lot better

[subtle hawk]

ah

2666mhz is yeah

for me is fine

[valid sky]

And in productivity everything got a lot faster with 3600Mhz kit

[subtle hawk]

3200mhz could be godo but the timings get loose

i see

7zip is magnificent

such powerfull compression

500mb into 200mb

[valid sky]

Nice

[subtle hawk]

i got a 60gb game to 20gb once too

the compression is insane

[valid sky]

That’s pretty solid

Especially is nothing got currpoted

[subtle hawk]

beamng

yes

haha

[valid sky]

I have beamng on 4TB HDD

Its probably taking most of it xD

I remember in 2009 i said

Who would fill 1TB

In 2018 i easily did it xD

Before 2018 i had old PC with 320GB HDD only

Pentium 4 CPU
1 GB DDR3 (Upgraded to 3GB DDR3)
Mobo GPU (Added AMD HD 5450 2GB)
Idk the rest of specs

It was HP Prebuild

It was 32 bit system

I forgot to pull out GPU before donating the PC….

But i pulled out the HDD

Which i just destroyed later (i kinda regret that)

There was 0 important data there

It was full of junk and pirated shit

[glossy patrol]

https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI

[inland marsh]

Incoming integrated VRM

[rare herald]

Is this a good deal for a cheap workstation/gaming PC

[glossy patrol]

No

1st and 2nd Gen TR are a huge avoid

[waxen star]

who needs to have all their memory channels anyways.

[waxen star]

If it's AMD: Don't bother... Unless your FCLK can keep up, it's best to just max that out then put your timings tighter. Don't fret too much about your CL, it's one of the least important timings.

[valid sky]

Nah, its intel CPU

[waxen star]

Damn, 3733 on an Intel CPU, that's pretty pog

[rare herald]

nice XD

[valid sky]

32GB is enough for me xD

Wouldnt consider anywhere over it (for now)

I have 16GB which i fill sometimes

[valid sky]

Damn, AMD Ryzen 7th gen arent that popular here

[glossy patrol]

OK?

[valid sky]

Since intel cost a lot less here

But that seems like a massive design flaw

Im driving now so i’ll watch the video later

Getting trips at peak hours is the worst thing…..

[glossy patrol]

It's not a design flaw, it's an issue wiuth some motherboards

[valid sky]

Oh

[valid sky]

Seems like that

I just watched most of the video

And yeah, ASUS boards tend to overvolt CPUs sometimes

My i5-11600KF sometimes spikes to 1.5V on ASUS B560 motherboard (Stock)

Idk how much current it draws tho

Idk if BIOS update is enough to fix this issue xD

[waxen star]

most of the time it will.

like, unless there is some chip going bonkers or some kind of readout going wrong (say wrongly built voltage-sensing circuits) a BIOS update should fix it.
(hint: I've not seen the video yet)

[valid sky]

Yeah, thats what i thought

[lilac spindle]

video suggests the 2nd one btw

So yeah a BIOS update is not gonna be the sole fix for this

[valid sky]

50mV is alot for error

[lilac spindle]

Not solely the cause but a major reason for the failures

[waxen star]

yea, if it's a physical circuit being bad, it's indeed not gonna be really "fixable" with an update.
At most you get a washing cloth on an arterial bleed: Will slow down the bleeding and possibly prevent you from bleeding out... Buuuut you still need to get stitched up.

[valid sky]

AMD chips doesnt seem to like Voltages above 1.35V

While intel chips are specified for up to 1.52V…..

Which is dangerously high

My B560 mobo’s hard limit is 1.8V

Which is uselessly high for a locked chipset

[waxen star]

Me just running my AMD chip at 1.46V all day 👀

[valid sky]

Auto Voltage?

Or overclocked to 4.8?

[waxen star]

manually set to 1.46V

[valid sky]

Why tho xD

Mine spikes to 1.5V and i freak out sometimes xD

And im too lazy to undervolt it to 1.35v

[waxen star]

So it doesn't crash XD
(it's running at 4.9GHz)

Well, 4.870Mhz but shhht

[valid sky]

Thats amazing for Ryzen CPU

[waxen star]

Seen better but I'd be running into heat-related issues by then (mainly during the summer).

[paper goblet]

Aren't you risking degradation at 1.46V static though?

afaik 1.325V is the max safe voltage for static OC'ing on 7nm Ryzens

[subtle hawk]

1.4 is good

tho anything above 1.4 for anything gets risky

[waxen star]

You're always risking it anyways...

• Most people subject their CPUs to a lot of thermal cycling, which causes the bond between the die and substrate to break over time.
  Less of a concern on smaller chips (which is an additional reasons why chiplet designs make sense over monoliths) and mainly a concern on GPUs but still a concern for CPUs as well (especially modern Intel CPUs make me worry about this). My CPU actually always runs at around 80C (+/-3C) so this is actually less of a concern for me. People booting up games, playing for 30 minutes then letting the CPU cool back down and doing that 10 times a day hurts the CPU more in this regard than I do.
• Oxide breakdown (oxides act as the insulator between the gate and channel of a transistor) is always a concern and is probably why my CPU might fail due to the high voltage I run but it's only a big issue if I run under full load for long periods of time (which pretty much never do).
• Electromigration (caused by the high Ampere draw under full load) is theoretically a concern but like, with the amounts I tend to draw, this would maybe decrease lifespan of the CPU from say 15 years to 12.5 years.

So am I causing additional degradation? Very likely but by the time it catches up to me, chances are practically 100% I've already moved to a new platform anyways and this unit will get delidded and used for educational purposes.

[hexed swift]

https://app.humanornot.ai/

pretty interesting

[subtle hawk]

augh

i hâte noctua and thermalright

noctua is expensive

thermalright is 2mm above my case for height

the peerless assassin 120 is 157mm in height, which is too much

the nh-d12l is great, but expensive

there’s a d9l in a local store for cheaper tho

[subtle hawk]

RAM works on 1 volts

i'm gonna try to lower the timings

0.9 doesn't boot

i improved timings and frequency by moving up to 3200mhz and from 1.2v to 1.36v

not bad

[valid sky]

Nice

My old GPU ran 107c hotspot for a year or 2 before i repasted it and sold it later

It was throttling to 80% performance and 100% fan speed under load, but after repasting it got full performance back

Bought a mining used RTX 3060Ti for cheap

Been using it for 2 months with no issues

[valid sky]

You’re more likely gonna upgrade before noticing degradation

[paper goblet]

You're right with all of that, but I started being a bit more concerned about it after I saw Tech Yes City's video on a degraded 3600

I'll keep my all-core OC to 1.28V get (I look the SVI2 TFN sensors), 4.375GHz

It's the wall for my 3600, going above that starts requiring substantially more voltage

[valid sky]

Tbh, if i have unlocked mobo for my 11600KF i would try 5Ghz+

Ik my chip can do at least that

Unless its shitty silicon

If im gonna upgrade my CPU again i would just sell the whole rig

[valid sky]

Seen some rigs similar to mine goes for 1200$ used

[waxen star]

yea, but iirc, that's because of the thermal cycling issue being made worse by PBO.

[subtle hawk]

hehe

mx4

i’m gonna reapply

i hope it helps

wait the arctic 7x co

might get that

cheaper but works too

[valid sky]

Bought a large tube from a friend

Its helpful

Used it on CPU 2 times and once on GPU

plenty left

[subtle hawk]

i see

i want to repaste asus laptop

and macbook (istg why the fuck is it so hard to repair)

i’ll get something huge

i don’t want to replace my current cooler

[valid sky]

I even got Thermalright TF7 that I gave away to my friend who bought my old cooler

[subtle hawk]

i see

[valid sky]

30$ for a used GTX 1060 3GB

seems suspicious

Also 3GB in 2023?

Doesnt even worth flipping

[subtle hawk]

yeah

i want a 1080ti tho

those things seem great

[valid sky]

I always hunt in the 2nd hand market

I got my 3060Ti for 220$ there

It was used in mining

And i sold my MSI RTX 2070 for 220$ too xD

I suppose thats a free upgrade

People here are afraid of mining and overclocked GPUs

Seen 3080s going for 450$

[waxen star]

The weird part is that I'd much rather buy a GPU that was used for mining than I'd buy one from a "gamer".

[valid sky]

Been using it for 2 months

Its clean

And memory overclocks very well

Not as good as my old MSI GPU

but still got enough

Mining gpus are cheaper and cleaner (if the miner knows what he do)

[waxen star]

Mining GPUs: Are undervolted and run at a fairly consistent temperature (which is often also lower cus it runs in open-air most of the time).
Gaming GPUs: Overvolted + overclocked, endure thermal cycling multiple times a day, reach higher temps (mostly).

[valid sky]

Also some people dont clean them

[waxen star]

And remember:

• More voltage: More oxide breakdown.
• More thermal cycling: Bonds between die and substrate can start breaking.

Also that.

[valid sky]

My home is isolated so idh to clean alot

I can also hide the fact that it was mined on

And im not cheating anyone

But if im asked i would say it was mined on

[waxen star]

My GPU was mined on by me as well for a while but I'm not gonna sell this GPU anyways.

[valid sky]

Nice

Thats why i dont mind buying mining gpu, im the winner anyway xD

Cheaper and cleaner

Unless inspection said otherwise

[waxen star]

I mostly buy GPUs new but that's because of other concerns.

[valid sky]

Most important aspects to check are:
Stability (Ofc)
VRM temperature (that indicates if it was undervolted or not)
Hotspot temperature (10-15c over the core temp is fine)

Also GPU’s overall appearance

I couldnt check my GPU’s VRM temps tho since it doesnt have VRM temps sensor

But voltages are normal and consistent

Also the seller gave me operational warranty

Which is a 1 day warranty

I did that with my old GPU aswell

To develop a good reputation for me and my friend (since he was the middle guy)

All GTX 1060 3GBs are going for 30-80$…..

Idh a testbench sadly for GPUS

I might build an HTPC for that purpose

[waxen star]

Main issue here has to do with fraud :
People no longer really use cash here, instead using a system called "GOS" which is really sensitive for fraud since it still uses SMS for confirmations...

I know how to check the GPU itself but the payment is pretty tricky nowadays.

[valid sky]

I only buy them face to face

Which limits my search methods….

But its reliable

And i pay using STC Pay (something like cash app)

Or bank transfer

Also i dont prefare someone paying me in cash

Fraud is only concern if im dealing with sellers not in my area/providence

[waxen star]

Yea that won't really help with the issue here :\

[valid sky]

Damn

I see why 2nd hand is hassle with you

Here they are mostly overpriced af

[glossy patrol]

Need more RAM

Pain

[valid sky]

Like 250$ for a 1660 Super? Is this a joke!

Here

But shes a DDR3

[waxen star]

Like the problem is the existence of "GOS", especially in combination with its reliance on SMS...
Most 2nd hand sellers here only accept GOS nowadays... But a malicious seller could basically spoof a message, say they haven't received payment yet and try to trick you in a second payment.

I know how to spot the fraud but it's still a lot of extra hassle I'd rather not deal with (especially since a lot of those sellers aren't exactly the "nice people").

[valid sky]

And thats an RGB ram

[waxen star]

I know the pain.

[valid sky]

Thats an issue

Here in one of the platforms i can like my account into “Absher” account

Absher is my governmental e services

Which is way overkill so i didnt do it

And not alot of people doing it for the same reason

[subtle hawk]

yeah i don’t think it’s the thermal paste

it’s just the lack of airflow in the “choke me” case

i71c isn’t meant for a 100w draw in a suffocating case

[valid sky]

You will need something like Lian-Li case that has HDD compartments behind the motherboard

But something that holds 1084927 HDDs? Idk

[waxen star]

We do have a system called "Tikkie" which is like "the golden standard" for that kinda shit over here (Tikkie is very solid)... But the biggest 2nd hand market place in the country has their shitty GOS...
And if you do not use GOS, you can not get any help in case some issues do arrive so you're kinda forced to either hope you didn't miss anything or leave yourself open to fraud....

[subtle hawk]

💀

i just use a debit card

load money in

insert

done

i then lock the card once the transactions thru

[valid sky]

Thats if you are buying brand new stuff

[subtle hawk]

yeah

used stuff? yeah

[waxen star]

I'm pretty sure 99% of the people here don't have a reader for debit cards laying in their home XD

[subtle hawk]

e transfer

[valid sky]

Noone has

[subtle hawk]

literally phone to phone etransfer

it’s such simple

[valid sky]

Expect if he is a merchant himself

[subtle hawk]

bro has to use SMS for vulnerability

yo @waxen star can’t you transfer using bank accounts

[waxen star]

I mean, I do... But that's because I also do other payment related stuff (like video shoots)

[subtle hawk]

or like

payment apps

cash app and that stuff

[valid sky]

But if im buying new PC components i just buy from my local amazon or newegg or these sites

[subtle hawk]

i got local store

i buy

[valid sky]

Since local PC shops are stealers

[subtle hawk]

they are?

oh local pc shops i go to always have everything cheaper than online

[valid sky]

Unless im okey with buying 3050 for 400$

[subtle hawk]

oh fair

yeah it’s a ripper

but then there’s the 6750xt for 500

CAD TOO

so yeah

[valid sky]

I only go to local shops for buying HDDs or PSUs or cases

[subtle hawk]

i buy everything from them if they have it in stock

[valid sky]

Even those are available in my local amazon

[waxen star]

Yesn't.
We have "Tikkie" in the country (it's our golden standard)... But the 2nd hand market place doesn't use that, it uses their GOS system (with the shitty SMS).
You can work it out between the two of you to use Tikkie but if you then run into some issues within a day of purchase, the marketplace will not help you (since according to them, the purchase never took place).

only if you use their garbage system will they assist you.

[subtle hawk]

But you don’t have to use their system

use the bank etransfer

or is this not like craigslist

cuz on craigslist you can use any form of payment lmfao

[waxen star]

And then you better not have any issues within a day of purchase.

[valid sky]

We have market place loke a craigslist

Its called haraj

[subtle hawk]

OOOOOOH

I see

that makes sense now ty

[valid sky]

The problem is Haraj is

Im always getting downbid for 1 week at least

Until i get a reasonable bid

[subtle hawk]

i saw a 1080ti for 60 dollars on bid

truly saddening

i couldn’t bag it

wait idk what listing it was

[valid sky]

It worths 250$ here xD

[subtle hawk]

it was either a gaming monitor, a gpu, or a computer

honestly i couldn’t remuer

[valid sky]

My old MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z 8g got like 110$ bid

I reported him for downbidding

[subtle hawk]

NZXT is peak lmfao

[valid sky]

Since all offers i got were around 150-180$

[subtle hawk]

they fucking sent me the worst prebuilt possible

[glossy patrol]

... what's "downbidding"

[subtle hawk]

they bet lower then that was higher

[valid sky]

Its offering to be accurate

[subtle hawk]

bidding lower

[waxen star]

• Tikkie -> National standard -> Safer fraud-wise but if the seller still fucks you over somehow, marketplace won't help you at all.
• GOS -> Marketplace's own system -> Easy to fraud with but marketplace will at least try to help you if something goes wrong (eg. the thing still breaks a day later or was reported as "stolen" - yes, that happens, not with GPUs but bikes n such for example).

[glossy patrol]

When someone starts a big, they start low to attract people, and it gradually increases, with a typical spike when the bid is about to end

[subtle hawk]

yeah m

they send me a pc with broken parts (woohoooo)

[valid sky]

It happens alot here xD

[subtle hawk]

i rma and the pc comes with dented gpu (woohoooo)

wrong RAM sticks

wrong cpu (10400f _> 11400f) i thank them for that tho

[valid sky]

Thats why i dont trust people out of my area/providence

[subtle hawk]

and the gpu they chose it so fcking good

well i guess there’s a reason for broken and dented stuff

high priority international shipping

shit gets tossed

[valid sky]

Never had issues with standard shipping

Even from china

[subtle hawk]

it’s FEDEX

goddam fedex

fast but careless

[valid sky]

They sent me a monitor, gpu and mouse from newegg xD

Fortunately nothing got broken

[subtle hawk]

kinda want this tho

this looks hella meshy

[valid sky]

Yep, always get mesh

[subtle hawk]

or this monolithic mf

choke me daddy 2.0

[valid sky]

You may go fanless while you are at it xD

Get that giant ass noctua cooler

[subtle hawk]

i swear by arctic cooling

i’ll get their some

uh

the freezer 34 duo or sum

[valid sky]

Its good

[subtle hawk]

i want the freezer 7x co rn

a good upgrade under 155mm height

that’s cheap

[valid sky]

My PA120 SE is at 155mm xD

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[valid sky]

But without the heatpipe head

[subtle hawk]

the noctua d12l is great

hot asf too

two towers at 120mm fans

but it’s 120 bucks

[valid sky]

I got my cooler for 40$ from china

At least its working

• i ended up paying 7$ in tax too xD

[subtle hawk]

30 dollar low profile cpu coole rn

it’s ok

under load it 98c tho

[valid sky]

You can find low profile coolers that dissipates 120-150W TDP

They are expensive af sadly (most of them)

At thier price you can just get 120mm AIO

The problem with AIO is they have lifespan

Unlike air cooling

Which doesnt have lifespan (unless you count the fan)

[subtle hawk]

yeah

lmfso

i want the u9s

or the d9l

they’re expensive but seems to do good

there’s a cheap 120mm from deep cool but uh

water cooling eh

[valid sky]

Water cooling isn’t good for long run

Or if you are paranoid that it leaks xD

[subtle hawk]

yeah lmfao

[valid sky]

One of my friend has one that its pump gets stuck a lot

[subtle hawk]

💀💀💀

[valid sky]

He opens his pc, its running at 870Mhz (i5-10400F)

he opens any temp monitor to find it running at 100C and it’s throttling

He shakes the block a little bit, it works again

I would get giant ass aircooler that lasts longer than me

And never think about it again

[subtle hawk]

yeah 💀

[paper goblet]

I also don't want to risk degradation because who knows where my CPU might end up, I don't want to screw over with the next owner. Although, my CPU is already worth less than 6600K's lmao

R5 3600's have tanked in value

[valid sky]

They cost less than 80$ here

Around 60-70$

[paper goblet]

You can get used ones around 60-70 here as well

Meanwhile 6600K's are sold for similar money or more...

[waxen star]

fair, then again... I am unlikely to sell mine.

[paper goblet]

Yeah makes sense, I personally don't like pushing hardware beyond the voltage/clockspeed wall they all encounter (as I say that, I run 1.5V through my RAM, but B-die can handle that easily)

but if you don't plan on selling yours, and rather use it for something else, then makes sense

[waxen star]

yuh and in the unlikely case I am gonna sell it, I'm only gonna sell it on the local OC marketplace so people there know what they are getting into

[valid sky]

My old cooler (a good old Hyper 212)

My current cooler

[paper goblet]

Palit or Gainward 3060Ti?

[valid sky]

Palit

[valid sky]

They share the same vBIOS

[paper goblet]

They are basically the same company

[valid sky]

Yep, its at most 76c (under very long gaming season)

At least its when my current cooler got better at dissipating heat

Before that it wasnt exceeding 70c

But my CPU was soft throttling

85-92c

Now my CPU doesnt throttle and my GPU got a lot hotter xD

I got plenty of room in my case that i have no use for

Its designed to have 5.25” bay which wasn’t implemented at all

I mean who needs 5.25” these days

[subtle hawk]

i realized a 240mm aio could fit

[subtle hawk]

here is current setup

beloved P12 PWM PST fans

[ashen zodiac]

https://youtu.be/D9PcuYgNomQ lmao.

THEY MAKE TVS?!

[valid sky]

Now its stuck like that for longer than usual

Time to save for new monitor i guess?

Its back to normal, took long time tho xD

[valid sky]

My front fans arent PWM

just a regular 3 pin fans

[subtle hawk]

yes

[valid sky]

The 4 exhaust fabs are PWM

[subtle hawk]

in india

i am oneplus fan

why?

idk

oneplus pad is a pass for me

why? i like it

[valid sky]

I just noticed that i have 12 fans in my system xD

[subtle hawk]

but i have no need for it

i only have 5 fans in my system, all daisy linked and in PWM

[valid sky]

3 intake, 4 exhaust, 2 CPU, 2 GPU and PSU

[subtle hawk]

oh u count those?

[valid sky]

But the case fans are 7

3 intake 4 exhaust

[subtle hawk]

3 intake, 2 exhaust, 1 cpu, 3 gpu, and 1 psu

[valid sky]

Intake fans are just 3 pins

While the exhaust are PWM

[valid sky]

My Chinese RGB fans

Are 4 daizy chained

While my 3 pin fans are just connected to the mobo using an adapter

Now i have extra one of these with me

At least i completely ditched molex (FINALLY!)

The shittest connector i ever used

Its even more frustrating than IDE cables

[ashen zodiac]

I need those lol

Just for some cheap top exhaust fans

[subtle hawk]

it don't cool

ok so ramping case fans really helps a lot

from 40% to 50%

it lengthens the time from throttling from 3 minutes to like 11

[hexed citrus]

just put a fan curve on them