Considering the insanity of M2 slot placement and SSD heatsink, I wish U2 is more popular
Tho I foresee more frustration with crappy knockoff cable 
#technology
inland marsh
waxen star
yuh, I like U.2 and U.3 a lot more... also because it allows hotswapping
little seal
but are those mainly for servers?
waxen star
but are those mainly for servers?
Datacenter SSDs so yea
hexed citrus
unless you run clustered databases you won't see the benefit of those
subtle hawk
poggers
waxen star
unless you run clustered databases you won't see the benefit of those
I mean, I do run both a Ceph and Garage cluster so... guess we've solved that issue.
hexed citrus
no we didn't
unless you have the actual throughput through the cluster to warrant those it financially doesn't make sense to even consider them
waxen star
unless you have the actual throughput through the cluster to warrant those it fi...
My entire network setup doesn't make any financial sense, doesn't mean it's not fun to play around with the stuff 
hexed citrus
you could achieve the same thing with ram disks if you so desired
and it won't cost an arm and a leg
waxen star
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you're taking it way to serious homie.
If I had the money to afford even one of those DC SSDs, I'd not be stuck with a Ryzen 5 3600, RX 580 and 128GB of RAM 
hexed citrus
which is why we make sensible purchases for our homelab
and not throw money at ooh shiny
waxen star
Oh cmon, it's not like you never dreamt about having some ridiculously overkill server, fast af sportscar or something else that no person who actually has to think about the purchases they make would buy...
hexed citrus
maybe when I was 12
but nowadays u can rent said car or server cluster for that matter if you really want to have one
specing out a server with those drives for a homelab is the equivalent of going on pcpartpicker and making a build from sorting by price descending
glossy patrol
Viable strat BTW
waxen star
but if you rent it, you can't do all kinds of even more whack stuff with it.
I can rent a Toyota GR Yaris but chances are, I'm not gonna be allowed to add a wing on the back, a wide body kit, modify the engine, strip out the entire interior, change the suspension and full-send it through the forest here.
waxen star
If you buy one? I don't think they really care much that you turn it into a Rally monster.
hexed citrus
brands like ferrari, mclaren and lamborghini will care a lot about their cars
and will even get you in court if you do smth outrageous to them
they want their cars to be "pure"
subtle hawk
than other car brands
waxen star
Ferrari? Definitely, but screw Ferrari.
McLaren? They'd at most be like "oh for christs sake"... and that'd be it.
Lambo would literally be like: "AYOOOOOOOOO"
vagrant holly
But ferrari is a straight up bitch when it comes to their cars
subtle hawk
they like the red
vagrant holly
But Yamato's point still stands, I'm with him
waxen star
I mean, even I stand with him. But doesn't mean a man can dream.
Again, if I had those amounts of money that I could just spend 4K on an SSD, I'd not have a Ryzen 5 3600, RX580 and "just" 128GB of RAM either.
And I'd probably not be driving a hacked together Peugeot 206 rally car either... 
glossy patrol
Why do you have such an average system but 128GB of RAM in it
waxen star
Why do you have such an average system but 128GB of RAM in it
Hit the 64GB usage way to often so decided to throw in an extra 64GB.
glossy patrol
What are you doing that isn't limited by your CPU or GPU first.
waxen star
What are you doing that isn't limited by your CPU or GPU first.
Actually, that RAM usage was because I hit a GPU limit.
GPU too weak for the stuff I made in BlackMagic Fusion (and the fact I didn't exactly make the compositions very efficiently didn't help either), so I had to rely on RAM to cache as much as possible instead, which caused me to run out of 64GB pretty quickly.
So why not buy a new GPU? Well... I'm sure as hell not gonna spend 900 euro on an RTX2060 (yes, it was that time of the GPU shortage) 
glossy patrol
Isn't that extremely slow and hugely impactful on performance
waxen star
Hm?
ashen zodiac
brands like ferrari, mclaren and lamborghini will care a lot about their cars
It's more Ferrari. McLaren owners do the weirdest shit and they don't care. At most they lock you out of your engine so people just figure out how to get in there to modify it. Lambo doesn't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
waxen star
It's more Ferrari. McLaren owners do the weirdest shit and they don't care. At m...
If anything, Lambo would laugh their asses off and request to share some of the stuff one snorted.
ashen zodiac
McLaren engineers are still on an acid trip designing their cars to care
waxen star
True
hexed citrus
meanwhile aviation folk, to change this one bolt you need 12 different certificates and qualifications
else the plane is not airworthy
ashen zodiac
As someone who watches a shit ton of plane crash videos, nah put the random bolt on the wrong way. What's the worst that can happen?
Pilot gets sucked half way out the window being held back by the cabin crew so he doesn't get sucked out while the co-pilot is landing the plane
hexed citrus
as someone with a PPL it's a royal PITA for GA planes
inland marsh
GA and FAR 23 is practically wild west if you know what happen behind the scene
subtle hawk
Actually, that RAM usage was because I hit a GPU limit.
GPU too weak for the stu...
even in the shortage i think i got a 3060 for 1000cad
well it was in a prebuilt
and they "listed" the prices of the system
the 3060 was 1 grand in there 💀 and it arrived damaged too jesus
hard oasis
That's why I have a really hard time recommending high-end prebuilts to people. I've watched a number of Gamer's Nexus videos on them, and almost all have had significant problems.
hexed citrus
GA and FAR 23 is practically wild west if you know what happen behind the scene
depends on the country
EASA would nuke us from orbit if we try smth fishy
waxen star
even in the shortage i think i got a 3060 for 1000cad
Damn.
800-900 for an RTX2060 was pretty common here :
I even managed to sell an RX480 for 500 back then (it was already like 4-5 years old at the time), so that should tell youbhow whack it was here.
lyric torrent
does anyone use playcover?
mental coyote
Heh. Just read that one earlier.
subtle hawk
Damn.
800-900 for an RTX2060 was pretty common here :\
I even managed to sell an...
wadam
that's expenseive
waxen star
that's expenseive
aye xD
That'd be like 850USD or so. For a bloody RTX2060...
vagrant holly
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
What a bottom tier bitch made condition
"could compete"
Even the mere possibility of competition is too much for them 
waxen star
The EU isn't gonna like that
hard oasis
Just got my new hardware setup... and I can't run EXPO timings on the DRAM. It won't post. I need to try out a BIOS update, but I'm not hopeful
Seems like it's a pretty common issue.
Also, I now apparently qualify for W11. Anyone have experience with it?
wintry forge
win11 was a pain in the butt to set up
requires you to sign into a microsoft account
and connect to internet
I'm sure there's a way to get around this, but that's one extra step I would have to take
there was also just as many telemetry tasks
hard oasis
I'm more worried about UX. How different is it from Win10?
ashen zodiac
WINDOWS 12 LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
ruby yarrow
So I'm guessing that is the reason why we haven't gotten many L2D outfits as of late
subtle hawk
That's why you get the .ISO file, use Rufus which includes the TPM skip, MS account check bs, it skips that too and there you go
odd owl
astral oar
my dinosaur laptop won’t install w11 
little seal
my dinosaur laptop won’t install w11 <:LongCryland:475292448466403329>
Does it use a Parallel port?
astral oar
Nope but it’s exactly like the one in Long Island Halloween skin
gloomy tinsel
anybody know why MKV video always lagging?
but its not lagging if its on VLC
waxen star
anybody know why MKV video always lagging?
but its not lagging if its on VLC
In Windows Media Player? If so, just a WMP thing... Happens on my PC + laptop as well.
gloomy tinsel
oh yeah movies and TV works fine
bruh moment
hmm so thats a file format WMP doesn't support
other else you find?
waxen star
hmm so thats a file format WMP doesn't support
It does "support" it, just poorly.
waxen star
other else you find?
I honestly only ever use mp4 and mkv... And VLC most of the time so not really.
glossy patrol
WMP is honestly ass. I hate using it even for basic MP4 viewing
ruby yarrow
VLC and MPC tend to run .mkv files just fine. It's just the Windows Media Player that tends to not like it as much
subtle hawk
VLC is standard media player imo
MPV and MPC-HC can be played around with if you want something idk
mental coyote
Maaaaybe
ashen zodiac
Ok so
Almost all the combinations of colors dont work
EXCEPT ONE
Puke Green with Gold Frame.
$550 Canadian. lol
This shit is living inside a case and never coming out lmao
hard oasis
I'd expect to see your order refunded
glossy patrol
Don't think they can do that
waxen star
Don't think they can do that
Depends on jurisdiction.
Looks like Desu is from the USA, so they very well can.
Back in 2016, a very similar case came up where Samsung accidentally sold TVs for $100 instead of $800.
People got refunded (and offered a $50 gift certificate) and when people filed complaints, the FTC responded that there is no federal law requiring companies to honour the price.
Walmart had a similar issue as well and they also didn't have to honour it.
And I think a lot of places have clauses in their terms of service that basically say "if it's an obvious pricing error, we can just cancel it and refund you".
So yea... Unless Desu is very lucky or Samsung just wants to dump the flips... Expect cancelation like Hamaal said.
ashen zodiac
a phone is that cheap?
Only specific colors
ashen zodiac
Depends on jurisdiction.
Looks like Desu is from the USA, so they very well can....
Quebec has consumer laws lmao
waxen star
Quebec has consumer laws lmao
There's Faucher v. Costco Wholesale Canada Ltd (2015 QCCQ 3366) where it was ruled an e-commerce site advertising computers for $2 was not obliged to honour its mistake because it was put in the ToS that the retailer reserved "the right to cancel, to terminate or not to process orders (including accepted orders) where the price or other material information on the Sites is inaccurate".
Section 15 of Samsung's conditions screw you there:
Reject, correct, cancel or terminate any order, including accepted orders, for any reason, including but not limited to
https://www.samsung.com/ca/termsandconditions/
There's a whole rats nest of "pull media" and "push media" behind it (in this case, it 99% likely falls under "pull media") which I won't explain but the gist of that is: They made a proposal, you made the offer, they merely "reject" the offer by cancelling and refunding.
Again, you may be lucky and they won't notice (or they just want to dump the phone for some reason) but expect cancelation.
Though I'm not a lawyer (and especially not fully aware of Quebec law - merely found jurisprudence) so who knows what I may have missed.
subtle hawk
Only specific colors
still
that cheap
worth it
500 for a phone that performs really well
ashen zodiac
No
I'm just saying Quebec laws be dumb AF and they think they entitled af
Both works
ashen zodiac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9YNF8oWS5Q shut up oneplus. lol
lilac spindle
UserBenchmark strikes again with their "review"
glossy patrol
UserFuckmark
ashen zodiac
Ahh yes. The IntelBenchmark site.
crystal sonnet
hm looks like I'll be able to get a 4790 for my temp build rather than 4590 when I will get my first paycheck next month
glossy patrol
Nice. 4790 rocks
restive gazelle
sooo enlighten me, why the fuck does a phone need water cooling
severe falcon
You ever tried to play a gacha while charging your phone and then had to answer a call?
The bottom half of the screen is molten
restive gazelle
also this
severe falcon
You mean dont use a phone while its charging
glossy patrol
Don't play an intensive game while charging.
hard lion
Does azur lane count as intensive
glossy patrol
Yes, very.
inland marsh
The bottom half of the screen is molten
If your phone is doing that, using watercooler won't improve the situation that much tbf
Unless there's forced airflow involved somewhere that is, of which oneplus didn't do, or if your thermal design is terribly bad it needs water to spread
It spreads the heat better for the processor (maybe, it's using piezoelectrics, but I'd think the usual phase change will do just as good here), the heat soak for the battery is probably just about the same here however
Well, at least it also adds thermal mass, and water or glycol is much cheaper than aluminum so there's that too...
subtle hawk
You ever tried to play a gacha while charging your phone and then had to answer ...
yes
and no it isn’t hot
the entire phone is molten
kekw
waxen star
Ahh yes. The IntelBenchmark site.
that + QuadcoreBenchmarksite.
According to that site, the i3-9350KF is faster than the i9-9980XE and about as fast (~2%) as the 5950X. 
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-9350KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9980XE/4055vsm652504
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-9350KF-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X/4055vs4086
wintry forge
I hope none of them are scalpers
inland marsh
The markup here is crazy 
At $150++ for 4GB version
I'm like... I'd just pick a thin mITX or something, not like I need the form factor
hexed citrus
At $150++ for 4GB version
I'm like... I'd just pick a thin mITX or something, no...
a mITX pc won't be able to do real-time processing or complex signaling like a SBC can
inland marsh
You can do RTOS just fine in x86, actual GPIO might be a problem tho
hexed citrus
x86 is not optimized for RTOS, sure you can do it but it'll be a waste of resources and time, also yes GPIO
inland marsh
At least it isn't $150 waste on an A72
hexed citrus
for 150$ I'd get a rock 5 model B instead
inland marsh
ClonePies are also what I do here, better bang for the buck most of the time
I can tolerate the hassle, mostly
hexed citrus
that thing blows any pi out of the water
2.5G LAN
wifi 6E
bluetooth 5.2
PCIe 3.0 x4
8K triple displays
neural processing engine
USB 3.1
inland marsh
Orange/Banana for random shit
Rock for when I need the PCIe, tho availability can be PITA too
glossy patrol
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-9350KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9980...
I'm surprised they still bother misleading people with their site and "reviews"
inland marsh
They come up top in most web searches, surely some $$$ is flowing
lilac spindle
I'm surprised they still bother misleading people with their site and "reviews"
Their SEO game is on top, hence why their able to mislead people with their "reviews"
ashen zodiac
Performance comes first.
When AMD uses more cores, that's unfair.
When AMD releases X3D, that's too expensive.
lilac spindle
Performance comes first.
When AMD uses more cores, that's unfair.
When AMD rele...
When AMD releases cheaper CPUs, it's too weak.
ashen zodiac
When AMD releases cheaper CPUs, it's too weak.
A nice cheap and good 6 core that sucks a respectable wattage and performs great.
UBM: Why get this when you can get a brand new spanking 8 P core 13 series CPU from Intel that is more expensive, sucks so much power, and sucks to cool.
lilac spindle
A nice cheap and good 6 core that sucks a respectable wattage and performs great...
Nah nah see when you buy AMD you buy their "marketing" fees
Intel has no need for such Marketing fees
ashen zodiac
Also UBW: It comes with a cheap cooler, why would you use this when you can buy a $100 aftermarket cooler that performs way better?
My 3600 came with a cooler and I used that shit and still never needed to use a higher performing cooler, yet.
lilac spindle
Also UBW: It comes with a cheap cooler, why would you use this when you can buy ...
Wait hold I remember this because of the 3100 and 3300x review of Userbenchmark lmao
"why use the cooler that's okay for a 4 core cpu when you should use a Noctua D15"
ashen zodiac
I think with the 1000 series, they fucking praised the cooler.
2000 was... less favorable but still good.
3000 series, they fucking trashed the free cooler lmao
lilac spindle
the review of the 11900k, which was unanimously called a disaster in price/performance and power draw, is hilarious as fuck
ashen zodiac
UselessBenchmark lol
vagrant holly
Honestly, about the free cooler AMD provides with all of their cpus (bless them)
I wish they gave you the alternative to just buy it without the cooler too
I don't need to worry about a billion dollar company but providing a free cooler with EVERY cpu must have its costs
And not everybody is going to be using it
Don't get me wrong, as a customer, I am absolutely glad about getting an extra cooler for redundancy purposes but come on man how often does it happen that your cpu cooler just breaks
Actually I wish someone made a study on that
How many AMD buyers ACTUALLY use the stock cooler
lilac spindle
I don't need to worry about a billion dollar company but providing a free cooler...
the costs are probably miniscule relative to other costs of the product
inland marsh
Still cost that need to be passed down to customer
Or more realistically to them, less margin
vagrant holly
True, they likely have a deal with some factory mass producing them but it's still a cost
And ye ultimately it's passed down to the customer aswell
Mind you I don't think it's gonna be a huge price drop if they stopped distributing the fans with the cpu, I'm more concerned with the cost to them including it with every cpu
that's alot of fans
inland marsh
We usually buy trays here, so at least we can save some bucks
No need to pay for fancy boxes too
vagrant holly
let’s not encourage that
And I'm not asking for no fans at all, I'm asking for the option of no fan
glossy patrol
How many AMD buyers ACTUALLY use the stock cooler
Many
ashen zodiac
How many AMD buyers ACTUALLY use the stock cooler
It's free. Costs them pennies to make. The CPU doesn't need overcompensating cooling. Why bother buying one when I can save $100?
glossy patrol
Genuinely, the stock cooler is great and many prebuilt and custom machines use it just because it works and saves you paying 60+ for a cooler that's a substantial upgrade and huge. While even a 25-30 cooler would be better, they're not that much better to really justify not saving that 25-30
waxen star
got the gud stuff
ayooooo win
waxen star
How many AMD buyers ACTUALLY use the stock cooler
Unless customers have a good reason not to or if they ask me (and pay me) to overclock and tune the machine? I put stock on pretty much every build.
Especially builds that were aimed at mainly competitive titles n such it's a waste to buy an aftermarket cooler.
I can spend 60 euro and slam an AK620 on it (practically the best aircooler that isn't the NH-D15)... Or use that 60 euro for a better CPU, faster RAM (or better dies if they want me to overclock the thing), sometimes a GPU upgrade etc. etc.
wintry forge
peerless assassin also works great
scythe fuma 2 revb is discontinued because they're releasing fuma 3 soon
glossy patrol
That was a bit quick
slate cape
Can someone recommended me a gaming mouse that's relatively cheap (50usd or under) and is wireless?
inland marsh
Razer DA V2X has been working fine for me, the only mouse with scroll wheel that can survive more than a year under my usage (so far)
Just beware it's HUGE
ashen zodiac
All I heard was "It's a normal sized mouse"
inland marsh
It's less sculpted, so depends on your preferred grip style it can feel much bigger than similarly sized mouse
hexed citrus
I avoid razer crap like the plague
glossy patrol
There's gems mixed with the crap.
hexed citrus
not in razer's case
glossy patrol
Yes, in Razer's case.
inland marsh
Meh, I'll pick whatever works for me
Granted I won't touch anything else from razer tho
hexed citrus
I've had logitech mince for years
so far they've all been rock solid
and u can use them without supid gamer software
inland marsh
Tried a lot of logi, scroll wheel died in 2 months or so
At one point I bought half dozen of M330 and simply treat them as consumables
hexed citrus
I went to their G lineup
the G402 I have bought almost a decade ago is still going strong
doe for my desktop I use a G pro wireless
inland marsh
I only tried G305, the experience ain't that different
Ik it's entry model, but still not a good first impression
hexed citrus
you literally get what you pay for
you can't expect a budget option to work as best value or the most expensive option
inland marsh
It wasn't that cheap...
At least I didn't expect for it to have the exact same problem as their $10 offering
hexed citrus
which is
inland marsh
What? M330/331 routinely on sale for $10 ($13 these days)
inland marsh
Scroll wheel bearing
hexed citrus
you mean the encoder or?
inland marsh
No, the bearing, they easily get gritty and loose, having different resistance scrolling up v. down
not to mention side play
inland marsh
Plain/journal bearing is still a bearing
hexed citrus
even that is a stretch
it's held in place by the encoder and a clip next to the middle click microswitch
my g pro wireless has the same configuration
inland marsh
...and what do you think there is in the encoder, magnetic levitation?
hexed citrus
inland marsh
yes, that red one in the middle is a bearing
inland marsh
That's journal bearing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_bearing
and it's easily getting loose
hexed citrus
yeah they get loose bcz that spring is crap
I replaced the encoder on both my G pro wireless and G402
with kailh ones
they're super stiff and have a nice detent on each scroll
same with the microswitches
inland marsh
I would understand if the play is tangential, but this is axial
hexed citrus
yeah that's usual for those crappier encoders
tolerances are not as great as on the omron or kailh ones
the fitment of my scroll and encoder is really tight, absolutely no axial play
subtle hawk
Tried a lot of logi, scroll wheel died in 2 months or so
Me with my wired G403 3-4 years go, scroll wheel died within 2 months of use
inland marsh
Let's see if I can resuscitate one
Not even sure if it was the encoder or the plastic post
hexed citrus
usually it's the encoder brake wheel
inland marsh
Tbf maybe I should really cough up for a MX or something, but eh...
I'm doing CAD/CAE, maybe even doing more scrolling than clicking
It's kinda suck that reviews rarely dive deep into scrolling
hexed citrus
I did so with the g pro wireless
you know, buy once cry once type of deal
the encoder and microswitch swap was after 3 years of constant abuse
the encoder I changed bcz I was swapping the microswitches so while at it might as well
since on the g pro to open it you need to remove the skids and you can't reuse them afterwards
inland marsh
That's pretty much the case for a lot of models these days
Heat sensitive adhesive like T-7000 works well for reattaching pads
hard oasis
I'm using a G602 that I've been using for years, and I have a G305 on the desk next to me as a backup just in case of any issues.
I've tried other brands, but I always seem to come back to Logitech due to fit.
hexed citrus
ye logi got really good mouse ergonomics
can't say the same about their keyboards doe
hard oasis
I used to love my Logi macro keyboard, but now I prefer something a little better.
My current keyboard is a Ducky
hard oasis
Nice, I've used one of those quite a bit as well
hexed citrus
the original model not the newer ones
it was a bit pricy since I had to import it from the US but it's rlly nice
ISO layout sucks ass
I had a fairly heated conversation with microsoft business support about that when I had to RMA the type cover for my surface pro 7+
subtle hawk
I can't imagine ANSI layout in my case, considering ISO layout is more of a Europe thing I guess then?
hexed citrus
since I sent them a ANSI layout type cover and they sent me a ISO layout one
the rep was like "it's no big deal"
bitch it IS a big deal considering that the backslash is in the place of the tilda key and tilda is next to left shift
hard oasis
I think ANSI is an American standard right?
hexed citrus
it is
hexed citrus
and it's a lot more symmetric and easier than whatever abomination of combinations ISO has
left and right shift is the same size
hard oasis
ok yeah, that's what I thought. ISO is the one with the weird enter key
subtle hawk
Big hands though, can't imagine a tiny Enter (ANSI) on a personal note
hard oasis
lol, nice
subtle hawk
hard oasis
I've used an ISO keyboard before, and I hated it every time.
subtle hawk
Hey I mean, to each their own lol
hexed citrus
I've used an ISO keyboard before, and I hated it every time.
ditto
I despise the ISO layout with a passion
inland marsh
It gets even weirder when laptop use ISO layout
hexed citrus
same continent that has 4 styles of grounded power plugs
inland marsh
I mean, why the fuck the pipe key location is practically random
glossy patrol
UK plug winning
hexed citrus
I mean, why the fuck the pipe key location is practically random
ye the backslash
drives me up a wall
subtle hawk
Was confused by the "pipe key" honestly 
inland marsh
My bad, I'm using pipe way more than backslash
hard oasis
Speaking of laptops, who decided that the Fn key should be where Ctrl normally is? I ****ing hate that
Or that the laptop functions should take precedence over f1-12
inland marsh
Who decided this is a good idea?
hard oasis
What the hell is that. That's a TERRIBLE idea
hexed citrus
ye that is aids
subtle hawk
Okay, that is also triggering me lol
hard oasis
Thinkpads have Fn where Ctrl is, and it's terrible
hexed citrus
and Fn is a toggle not a hold to do shit
lenovo is the only one that does that
ruined the thinkpad entirely
hard oasis
And yet they're one of the most popular for business laptops
hexed citrus
not anymore
depending on the region you'll find macbooks, dells and lenovos in varying assortments
surface devices too
but a lot rarer
chromebooks are usually found in the US in the education system
here for example dells rule the business market
with macbooks where you need apple's walled garden
ashen zodiac
I keep hitting FN on the ThinkPad keyboard lmao
Outside of volume control and mute, I barely use the keys to do anything so I leave FN lock on
astral oar
eh my laptop is weird, it has no right click button
kinda look the same as that pic above
restive gazelle
Who decided this is a good idea?
i first read the left button as FBI
ashen zodiac
eh my laptop is weird, it has no right click button
Is it like, 2 separate buttons on the trackpad?
Like the left side is left click and right side is right click if you push hard
astral oar
no it's a button the equivalent of shiftF10, usually between my right alt & ctrl
white nimbus
how much are pc prices up still 
ive been waiting to get a new pc, but i don't know what to get now and idk how prices are still
lilac spindle
how much are pc prices up still <:ShiSleep:771507346069389313>
the newer GPU prices are 
But the RTX 3000 and RX 6000 series prices are not overpriced anymore at least
white nimbus
would you recommend buying a new pc in this day and age
i don't really want top end because that shit probably goes for like 5k but im barely able to run things now
lilac spindle
Depends on your current setup and if you are okay with the performance you have rn
white nimbus
no my pc has pretty much been relegated to browser and discord slave
can't even run calamity or ror2 anymore and afaik those aren't even heavy games
lilac spindle
F
white nimbus
But the RTX 3000 and RX 6000 series prices are not overpriced anymore at least
how bad were they before
lilac spindle
how bad were they before
in the height of the crypto boom? 200%-300% markup
inland marsh
Not only marked up, certain models are straight up never available
inland marsh
ive been waiting to get a new pc, but i don't know what to get now and idk how p...
Depends on what segment and how "cutting edge" your build will be maybe wait a bit until AMD lower end mobo to trickle out, and probably mid-lower end GPU too
At least SSD and DDR5 are dirt cheap today
hexed citrus
you could also go intel and not wait for cheaper boards
ashen zodiac
yea the 12th gen is good. 13th isnt worth it right now.
lilac spindle
Depends on what segment and how "cutting edge" your build will be maybe wait a b...
We finally have sub $120 AM5 Mobos popping up
ashen zodiac
And DDR5 not being ass prices now lol
hexed citrus
doe I have to say having so many GPUs on hand does help a lot with training AI models
hexed citrus
don't need to wait around for days for the models to compute
technically it's AI training not generation
ashen zodiac
i like the RTX one where it points your eyes towards the camera
hexed citrus
that's one is very gimmicky
ashen zodiac
It's great for like... 3 years ago.
glossy patrol
I think I'm going to hold onto my 1070 and 6800K for a little longer. I want to sort out my RAM, go full SSD and get a better monitor first
inland marsh
1080p/60 Hz is still perfectly playable, and lowering texture quality is perfectly acceptable
Idk why some treat it like you're commiting warcrime
lilac spindle
1080p60 is still fine. Was able to reach a high rank in csgo without no 144hz monitor so it's just a skill issue for people
but I wish I had a 120hz monitor
inland marsh
Got 155 Hz and tbf can't really say that it gives me any measurable advantage, maybe because I'm not at that level of competitivenes but 
subtle hawk
I'm personally retired from competitive FPS titles, considering I lost all the reaction times for those, so I'm honestly fine with 1080p60 even in 2023
hexed citrus
my main display is a 1080p 180Hz, it's gud stuff
inland marsh
Got it just because it's only 20 buck more than 75Hz version 
hexed citrus
comes with nvidia gsync ultimate
or how it was before called just gsync, the one with the dedicated module
managed to get it for a really low price because some reseller imported it and the original buyer didn't want it
so they sold it to me at a loss to just get rid of it
inland marsh
Man, I really wish I'm on such market
With fluid pricing, actual clearance sales, rational 2nd hand market etc.
hexed citrus
it's not rational at all
I just got hella lucky and closed on the deal as soon as I saw it posted
lilac spindle
wish the 2nd hand market here is rational as well
How the hell is a 570 still 200 usd
glossy patrol
1080p/60 Hz is still perfectly playable, and lowering texture quality is perfect...
I didn't, and I'm not on 1080p60
stone needle
Yes
gloomy tinsel
1080p60 is still fine. Was able to reach a high rank in csgo without no 144hz mo...
Yeah. its all just skill issue tbh, 60-144 does give more information but competitiveness its all about yourself
stone needle
Yeah. its all just skill issue tbh, 60-144 does give more information but compet...
True
All FPS is mostly reaction timing and pre firing and big brain
Overclock gpu
gloomy tinsel
I get a XG2431 monitor because optimum tech said its very good 240hz. still I'm suck at fps unless its PUBG but that game is dead anyway 
stone needle
Man
ashen zodiac
stone needle
I get a XG2431 monitor because optimum tech said its very good 240hz. still I'm ...
I have a aoc 144hz ips 23inch or is it 24inch
ashen zodiac
There's a $60 off coupon, but like.... WHY WOULD YOU CROSS OUT THAT LOWER PRICE?
stone needle
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91052592?
sad
that the max until the GPU stop 😐
MC 90 and CC 160
overclocking is over 😦 i can't hit 50K
inland marsh
I have a aoc 144hz ips 23inch or is it 24inch
Got AOC 1440p 155
I swear it got panel tearing problem right at the middle. Asked CS, they're playing dumb....
stone needle
Got AOC 1440p 155
I swear it got panel tearing problem right at the middle. Aske...
ask who?
customer service
AOC 24G2 24inch 1ms 144hz
that what i have
glossy patrol
<:ytEnnaMath:1064584770413150219>
Eh. They've fallen off hard
And god are their camera bumps ugly now
subtle hawk
Can agree. Had a OnePlus 8 Pro. First and last OP ever
ashen zodiac
I had a 1 Sandstone and 6T McLaren
Gave up when I saw the latest ones and went to S23 lol
waxen star
Yeah. its all just skill issue tbh, 60-144 does give more information but compet...
A nice monitor won't make stop running it down mid in League. 
lilac spindle
Meanwhile XD
https://thehackernews.com/2023/03/google-uncovers-18-severe-securit...
Of course Exynos also has vulnerabilities
Why did I think it wouldn't have
Exynos chips are cursed
waxen star
Look at the date.
It's mainly the timing that's hilarious.
Mar 16th: New Exynos SoC specs leaked.
Mar 17th: Google uncovers 18 security vulnerabilities.
inland marsh
Long time not seeing an actual RCE
I mean, often vulnerabilities these days are overhyped shit that needs physical access or similar
ashen zodiac
...more cache or more cores 
lilac spindle
...more cache or more cores <:Choco_Think:724450362865745970>
what do you use it for anyway
ashen zodiac
Mostly just playing games.
ashen zodiac
let me see if my motherboard can even run this
ok it can lol
Fuck I have to update the bios
waxen star
I mean, often vulnerabilities these days are overhyped shit that needs physical ...
Aye.
Like a few recent major exploits (I can't remember the names nor CVE numbers sadly) did open up some potential for fuckery but that's a potential...
And I don't like speculation about the future... especially when tech is involved.
ashen zodiac
eh i think i should upload my gpu before my cpu lol
waxen star
same but I cba at spending over 1K for a GPU XD
ashen zodiac
im too lazy to leave the AM4 platform atm
So my plans right now are like
3600 -> Some kind of 5000 series CPU
1060 - 3060
Of course when I say it like that, the 3060 probably seems like the better upgrade lol
And the CPU upgrade is just me wanting to not do a full upgrade.
little seal
Meanwhile XD
https://thehackernews.com/2023/03/google-uncovers-18-severe-securit...
Oh no, my Tab S6 Lite (2020)
waxen star
im too lazy to leave the AM4 platform atm
fair.
My plans are already set.
- 3600 -> 5950X (tho it's a shame there is no 5950X3D).
- RX 580X -> 7900XTX (or whatever the highest VRAM card available that doesn't require a new nuclear reactor will be at the time)
paper goblet
3600 gang 🤝
It's quite nice still, but even heavily tweaked, it leaves quite a bit in a 3070 
hexed citrus
Aye.
Like a few recent major exploits (I can't remember the names nor CVE number...
tell that to speculative execution
waxen star
It's quite nice still, but even heavily tweaked, it leaves quite a bit in a 3070...
Yuh it's very solid.
I always run into GPU bottlenecks, rarely a CPU one (for now that is).
stone needle
fair.
My plans are already set.
- 3600 -> 5950X (tho it's a shame there is no 59...
i have a 5950X
that a good upgrade path
5600x > 5950x me
the GPU is overclock
MC 90
CC 160
thinking about Ram OC but idk and CPU
running on idle 70C Degree
with a BQDR4
hmm i think i mess up the fan curve on bios
waxen star
tell that to speculative execution
No, it wasn't speculative execution as far as I remember... The issue is, the only server I can remember I mentioned it, is a server we nuked a while ago xD
stone needle
7900XTX is a thicck boi
waxen star
that a good upgrade path
I picked my motherboard (B550 Vision.D) specifically so I could facilitate the upgrade to the 5950X... while also giving me a bunch of other stuff I needed ofc.
stone needle
yes
waxen star
I mean you said you don't like speculation
Get out. Now.
waxen star
7900XTX is a thicck boi
it's "chonky" but really schmoll compared to what Nvidia has XD
hexed citrus
now this is proper cable management
hexed citrus
yes
waxen star
i have x470
F.
I had the option: Go X570 or B550.
Reason why I chose B550 is because there was no X570 board with Thunderbolt at the time and I liked B550 more for "allowing" (read: Not completely and utterly crapping its pants the moment you looked at it) overclocking the BCLK.
waxen star
thinking about Ram OC but idk and CPU
RAM OC is kinda scuffed but it can help quite a lot, especially on Zen-based platforms.
Just make sure you run the UCLK and FCLK at 1:1 or you'll get bonked.
stone needle
it depend on features i guess
stone needle
RAM OC is kinda scuffed but it can help quite a lot, especially on Zen-based pla...
i just run it XMP thinking if i OC and broke my whole pc XD
waxen star
B550 is good
B550 is decent enough.
X570 has more features overall but a lot of those features didn't weigh up against having thunderbolt (yes, it's that important for me) so...
stone needle
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91052592?
anyway i get this performace anyway
waxen star
i just run it XMP thinking if i OC and broke my whole pc XD
You mean breaking or just requiring a CMOS clear?
stone needle
You mean *breaking* or just requiring a CMOS clear?
my cmos is under my GPU
so i am not taking out my GPU for a Cmos clear
welp i am idle at 77 Degree brb
waxen star
anyway i get this performace anyway
score seems alright though I never use 3DMark because it holds no relevance to me (not that it's a bad benchmark, just the tests they run aren't the tests I need to know about).
stone needle
score seems alright though I never use 3DMark because it holds no relevance to m...
I also use passmark
Hmmm
waxen star
my cmos is under my GPU
Damn, I just poke at a jumper with a screwdriver and done.
stone needle
Have you try other benchmark software
waxen star
Have you try other benchmark software
My main suite for benchmarking my personal stations:
- Y-Cruncher (via BenchMate 10): CPU + RAM
- Pifast (via BenchMate 10): CPU + RAM
- GPUPi (via BenchMate 10): GPU
- 7-Zip (via BenchMate 10): CPU + RAM
- Catzilla (4K): GPU
- Unigine Superposition (1080p Extreme Preset): CPU + GPU + RAM (mildly)
- PYPrime 2.0: RAM
- Linpack Xtreme: CPU + RAM
I do add Passmark and 3DMark when I'm making XOC runs but that's mainly for shits&giggles as I primarily screw around with RAM.
stone needle
Nice
Fucking Linus tech tip discord is dumb ngl I am in a shit mood cause one of them say oh your cooler not screw in all the way bruh the design is shit on be quiet it wiggle abit
My life in 2x speed
stone needle
My main suite for benchmarking *my personal stations*:
- Y-Cruncher (via BenchMa...
My bad my cmos not under my gpu must be blind xd
waxen star
My bad my cmos not under my gpu must be blind xd
yea, I already kinda wondered what they snorted if they put it under the GPU XD
stone needle
Xd
waxen star
the way you grab that screwdriver and really just torque it down kinda made me hope you slipped and completely stripped the screw, ngl XD
also yes, bequiet mountings are <redacted>.
ashen zodiac
Fucking Linus tech tip discord is dumb ngl I am in a shit mood cause one of them...
i mean if its being held down by a fucking bar above it, no shit it's gonna wiggle, this shit looks so jank and cheap lol
stone needle
the way you grab that screwdriver and really just torque it down kinda made me h...
Na it not strip
Be quiet quality
stone needle
i mean if its being held down by a fucking bar above it, no shit it's gonna wigg...
It be quiet 
Next cpu cooler brown poop color nocuta
They good but the brown
ashen zodiac
I got a AORUS B550 Pro AC cause it fucking came with the CPU lmao.
It's ok for what I need.
Then I learn later that the X570 has more gen4 m.2
ashen zodiac
The motherboard isn't bad.
The only feature that mattered to me is pretty much
The second m.2 slot is gen 4
While mine is gen 3
stone needle
Oof
stone needle
Man this why I left ltt discord to many idiots
ashen zodiac
I get a second gen 4, it runs at gen 3 speeds, oh well. if I upgrade, it go faster.
I get a second m.2 and it's gen 3, woo, cheaper price.
ashen zodiac
I don't even take advantage of the faster usbs on the board
waxen star
They good but the brown
My PC is next to me on the ground. RGB all off, 0 cares about how it looks tbf xD
stone needle
My PC is next to me on the ground. RGB all off, 0 cares about how it looks tbf x...
Same
waxen star
Man this why I left ltt discord to many idiots
Ngl, it's why I left basically every "tech discord"...
ashen zodiac
The orange on the left side, that's rgb. i didn't even notice.
But the thing is, nothing in my case is RGB except that. lol
ashen zodiac
And this is my case, the fans are a lie, they're not ARGB, they're just normal RGB lol
Why did I get it? $100 and comes with 4 fucking fans.
stone needle
3 intake
1 out take
ashen zodiac
I can see my temps go down if I remove the fucking fan filter from the top of the case lmfao
By like 2 degrees.
stone needle
I can put 2 or 3 fan on top
ashen zodiac
If I take off my front cover, temps also slightly go down lmao.
stone needle
Air flow denied
stone needle
Oh no ;-;
ashen zodiac
Cause my desk has a little shelf for PCs
I put it there
There's like 1 inch of space
ashen zodiac
For any wires to go in there.
ashen zodiac
I have this IKEA desk
stone needle
Ehh
stone needle
Oh
Mine is ikea
But the pull out draw is gone
I broke it ;-;
When playing fps
ashen zodiac
like... a lot....
ashen zodiac
I didn't realize how generic it was until I saw other people with it.
except that shelf that people have their monitors on, I moved it up so my monitors are the same level as my keyboard
stone needle
Sad cause they only fit two monitors
The thing I dont table like that for monitor reason
I would like to get a 4th monitor but the table will break
stone needle
Ya
ashen zodiac
tbh i can do 3 monitors if i get rid of that middle shelf
And go vertical on 1 monitor
glossy patrol
I got a AORUS B550 Pro AC cause it fucking came with the CPU lmao.
It's ok for ...
Trust me, nobody cares about those Gen4 lanes in a practical sense
ashen zodiac
I don't have a second m.2 drive nor do i care about the speed it runs.
I have yet to see a practical use out of it outside of me installing warframe and genshin on it just to get like... what...
saves me 1~2 seconds on loading screens lol
hexed citrus
we sharing setup pics? aite
severe falcon
we sharing setup pics? aite
bro you got a virpil setup??
im jealous
hexed citrus
with rudder pedals and a autopilot panel
waiting for the parts to build the radio panel
severe falcon
oh wow
ive been debating if i just want to get a logitech setup or go all in with virpil
hexed citrus
I use flight sims to train for the real deal
logi stuff is good enough for most ppl
severe falcon
well my current logi extreme 3d is good enough for elite, but i want to get into the plane sims
hexed citrus
the X52 is gud shit
hexed citrus
I had a set from when it was known as saitek
I also fly in VATSIM so you may encounter me from time to time there
severe falcon
well im about to start working on actual simulators so im thinking about making one at home that i can play with
hexed citrus
I only go into MSFS when I wanna fly fighters
hexed citrus
well im about to start working on *actual* simulators so im thinking about makin...
rating for what aircraft?
severe falcon
not flying on sims, but like coding for sims
hexed citrus
ah
severe falcon
which is why i want to build one, cuz im probably not gonna be flying them
hexed citrus
well I can fly them
got a PPL with HP, IR, NR, MCO and MEP ratings
a CPL now is like 800 euros lol
severe falcon
so how much better is the virpil than the x56
hexed citrus
not worth it unless u rlly wanna get deep into simming
and even them a full blown scale cockpit won't use them
stone needle
Ehhhh
ashen zodiac
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Also Midjourney getting an update that can do hands. 
hexed citrus
so far it's 
ashen zodiac
It still does the finger thing lol
Just looks more realistic fucked up than goofy fucked up
white nimbus
does anyone know if there's a workaround for modernish gpus to work with interlacing displays
eg 120i crts
afaik ampere can't do anything with interlacing now
inland marsh
Idk if this ever actually works in the first place
waxen star
does anyone know if there's a workaround for modernish gpus to work with interla...
Very maybe some custom driver (like NimeZ for AMD - idk if there is an Nvidia alternative) but I doubt it.
Then again, no use having interlace support around anymore... It's just more code that needs maintenance for at best 0.0000001% of the user base... And that's assuming it's purely software and no additional logic is needed on the hardware itself.
paper goblet
MC 90
CC 160
MC and CC?
wintry forge
Memory clock, core clock
stone needle
MC and CC?
Mc 150 and cc 160
paper goblet
Oh, never seen people say core and VRAM clocks like that
stone needle
Yea I know I do that when I finish work
paper goblet
I run 1965 @ 0.962V (curve OC/UV) on my 3070, and +1000 VRAM
paper goblet
Not every GDDR6 equipped card will do +1000 stable, I can benchmark +1200, but that's not 24/7 stable. Some people can do over 1000 stable, some can't
wispy quartz
glossy patrol
ashen zodiac
Before watching, Im gonna go with
"No."
and
"Unless you're in insert professional job and need to access large amounts of data at high speeds"
12:56 close enough. lol
slate cape
I was looking into buying a new phone and suddenly thought of pop up screen cameras, why did companies abandon this concept. I thought it had alot of potential and it was so cool
Like the oneplus 7 Pro, vivo NEX etc
severe falcon
cant be waterproofed easily might be a reason
glossy patrol
I was looking into buying a new phone and suddenly thought of pop up screen came...
Mechanical failure
restive gazelle
you would need something doing the moving of the camera which is a waste of space
wintry forge
just a weird gimmick in general
I'll take another usb c slot though
and no camera bumps
and no notches
astral oar
asus had a cute one
wintry forge
also oled 120hz
stone needle
Not every GDDR6 equipped card will do +1000 stable, I can benchmark +1200, but ...
i see
inland marsh
and no camera bumps
Camera bump is okay, if it's centered
waxen star
Not every GDDR6 equipped card will do +1000 stable, I can benchmark +1200, but ...
I think the highest I reached stable for a benchmark was +1600 but the core was on LN2 so that helped a lot xD
waxen star
I was looking into buying a new phone and suddenly thought of pop up screen came...
I have it, I like it for the simple reason of: doesn't waste screenspace for something I never use.
Tho it annoys me at times when I accidentally press the wrong button and it pops out.
waxen star
Before watching, Im gonna go with
"No."
and
"Unless you're in *insert profession...
People already can't really saturate PCIe 3.0 in daily use.
So yay, it's 4 times as fast compared to that... But you'll never really make use of it \o/
glossy patrol
Random reads and writes are generally what are actually useful
glossy patrol
I have it, I like it for the simple reason of: doesn't waste screenspace for som...
Most hole-punches or notches don't really waste screen estate either though
waxen star
I usually only look at random reads
I generally just look at Random Reads on 4K block sizes with Q1T1 since that is the most important for daily use.
I generally don't care much about random writes tho.
waxen star
Most hole-punches or notches don't really waste screen estate either though
It's very little but they do.
glossy patrol
I have a hole-punch and never notice it, even when playing full-scteen games and watching full-screen content
Otherwise, that space would just be unused anyways
waxen star
My workphone has one and it's really annoying at times.
Under display is "fine" but hole punch? Noty.
The most annoying part is when I try to swipe down and it doesn't register because of the holepunch.
So more often than not, I have to readjust my hand to swipe down beyond the holepunch.
paper goblet
I think the highest I reached stable for a benchmark was +1600 but the core was ...
You've done LN2 stuff? 
waxen star
You've done LN2 stuff? <:nalakPog:965372027177431040>
Plenty of times yea.
Tho tbf, I mainly like doing RAM overclocking... idk, GPU and CPU overclocking (outside the UMC) generally didn't interest me as much.
I do still put CPUs on DICE or LN2 ever now and then but mainly to cool down the UMC and go HAM with that.
paper goblet
RAM OC has nice gains, but way too time consuming, especially when you learn the hard way that you got unlucky with the IMC
waxen star
RAM OC has nice gains, but way too time consuming, especially when you learn the...
depends on your goal.
if your goal is just raw clockspeed ? then UMC matters quite a bit tho RAM dies will still be the main issue.
if your goal is to get more CPU performance (or rather, "lose less" of it) by overclocking your RAM? UMC barely matters and it's mainly up to your motherboard + RAM.
I don't really use Intel (especially 13th gen since the 13th gen UMC is trash, period) but on AMD it's generally:
- Make FCLK as high as possible while maintaining the 1:1:1 ratio between the 3 memory clock domains (FCLK, UCLK and MCLK). Generally this is 1900MHz for Zen2 (tho mid-range Zen2 chips are generally only capable of 1800MHz) or 2000MHz for Zen3. On Zen4 this doesn't matter since it's impossible to maintain the 1:1:1 ratio.
- Start tightening your timings (some timings have strict rules - like
tRRD- others just are simple arithmetics - liketRTPbeingtRRD - tWR,tRCbeingtRAS + tRCDandtWRbeing generally 2 clocks looser thantRRD).
Oh, and don't worry about tCL too much, it is the most overrated timing (I generally just use a calculator I built to ballpark my tCL).
paper goblet
depends on your goal.
if your goal is just raw clockspeed ? then UMC matters qui...
My 3600 is weird, it can do 1900 FCLK but not with Samsung B-Die
with B-die, it can do benchmarks and seems stable, but the PC will randomly shut off, with CJR it's rock solid, probably because CJR can't do as tight timings as B-die, therefore less stress
1866 is my max stable with B-die
waxen star
I never tested 1900MHz on the FCLK on my 3600.
Mainly because last time I did it, my CPU died and had to be RMA'd (leaving me 1 month without my PC)
glossy patrol
My workphone has one and it's really annoying at times.
Under display is "fine" ...
Then you're just unnecessarily picky because even for most video playback, it obscures no content
paper goblet
This is where I stopped, tRCDRD can't go below 16 for some reason
waxen star
Then you're just unnecessarily picky because even for most video playback, it ob...
"it obscures no content"
Does do so pretty often for me so...
Then again, it's only my workphone so it only really annoys me ever once a week or so.
And I'm not even that picky tbf.
paper goblet
tRAS and tRC error out if I go lower, rest probably could go lower but this is already quite fast and it's stable, I stopped bothering after that
glossy patrol
What sort of 20:9 or whatever content are you watching
Only time it'd properly obscure content is select games
waxen star
tRAS and tRC error out if I go lower, rest probably *could* go lower but this is...
your tRAS should be 37 anyways iirc (just doing it out of my head and I'm tired as hell so might not remember it right).
and your tRC should then be 53.
Tighter does not always equal better.
paper goblet
What sort of 20:9 or whatever content are you watching
iirc LTT does videos in 21:9 for a while for example
waxen star
What sort of 20:9 or whatever content are you watching
It often obscured the hamburger icon and in some cases some text or other icons.
I don't use it to watch videos or play games (it's a work phone)
glossy patrol
I'm aware hole-punches differ (my Nord had it's hole-punch to the left) but please give examples to apps that use this area for content if possible
Because I truly can't picture what you seem to be able to
paper goblet
I used this guide: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md, says tRAS is tRCD(RD)+ tRTP at the absolute minimum, tRC is tRP + tRAS though, so I guess I might be too tight there
paper goblet
I'm aware hole-punches differ (my Nord had it's hole-punch to the left) but plea...
My phone's hole punch is also to the left (Honor 20 Pro), and the only time I noticed it slightly obscure something was in AL
waxen star
I'm aware hole-punches differ (my Nord had it's hole-punch to the left) but plea...
You don't have access to those apps anyways (they are from vendors of the gear we use at work).
But the main ones are called "CMA" and "EnTune" (no, not the Toyota app)
paper goblet
Most apps just don't use that space in my experience, could be a phone thing too
glossy patrol
You don't have access to those apps anyways (they are from vendors of the gear w...
I see, I suppose that makes more sense then
waxen star
I used this guide: <https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DD...
for tRAS I generally use tCL + tRCD + tRRD.
For tRC I generally use tRAS + tRCD.
tho tbf, the methods I use are mainly aimed at "should work in 99% of the cases" and a case of "good enough" rather than "as best as they can be".
Mainly because the methods are made for just quickly tuning a system I build for private customers before delivery (just some "hey, ahve some extra performance on the house" kinda deal)
paper goblet
Yeah makes sense
I had some friends ask me if I can do some OC for them, but it's not something I'd do for others, especially try to explain to them, because 1. I suck at explaining it, and 2. I don't like unstable/untested OC's, so either I can stress test it, or I don't bother
I had someone who said how great his CPU OC was, except it crashes under Cinebench... that's something I hate. Either back it off slightly or just run it stock at that point, using an unstable PC can cause all kinds of issues you wouldn't think can happen
waxen star
I mainly just get annoyed by OCs that are unstable... Means I lost time, which I dun like.
I get so many messages all the time so having to wait 2 mins for a PC reboot is just REEEE
wintry forge
This is where I stopped, tRCDRD can't go below 16 for some reason
set tRAS to 21
tRCDWR to 8
wintry forge
This is where I stopped, tRCDRD can't go below 16 for some reason
tRC should be able to do 34
paper goblet
iirc tRC was unstable if I went lower, isn't tightening tRAS unnecessary after a certain mathematical point?
wintry forge
that's fair then
as for tRAS, that's the goal. set tRAS so low so that you make memory controller derive its optimal timings from somewhere else instead of having to tune it manually
paper goblet
Maybe it would be better if I had active cooling on the dimm's, but ehh not worth it at this point
It won't be much faster
wintry forge
seems like everything is as usual
inland marsh
at least it doesn't hammer with writes
paper goblet
Oh look at that. Windows 11 is breaking SSDs. lol
My A2000 250GB seems fine
ruby yarrow
So what's the difference between using Win10 and Win11 anyways?
wintry forge
it requires tpm 2.0 module
glossy patrol
Win11 technically better, but the search is even worse, and it's requirements are annoying
They're still fairly similar
severe falcon
By search, do you mean the lil search box on the taskbar?
Cuz idk how they could make it worse
If i type simple math into google, it gives me an answer, if i type it in the search box it pulls up bing and doesnt give an answer
Instead i gotta search for the calculator, type in the math, and then i get the answer
flint bobcat
ruby yarrow
So 7 was their best then, and then they decided to ruin it
severe falcon
7 was best for PC, somehow 8.1 for their phones was actually good and didnt have severe issues, even though it was literally the same OS, not even a separate mobile version
ruby yarrow
It's like they decided to say, "Everything gets the same OS type for Windows, even if it doesn't work well for PCs."
waxen star
XP was the best for PC and I still use it to this day (XOC stuff, not daily driving, stop rage typing already).
7 was "okay" (tho I hate the W7 start menu).
10 would have been the best if it wasn't this mess with Cortana integrated into everything, Edge being a naggy mess and Microsoft bloat.
hexed citrus
I mean for XOC even some basic BIOS that can run simple mathematical tasks to benchmark the system will suffice
ashen zodiac
I mean for every good one the next one was bad.
XP was nice
Vista was no.
7 was nice
8 was no.
10 was nice.
11 I'll pass.
kind rivet
95 nice
98 nice
ruby yarrow
Funny thing I'm now using 10 and have the option to upgrade to 11, but I've heard bad things about 11, or should I say mixed reviews for it. Also, it even says if I upgrade to 11 some things that worked on 10 won't anymore
restive gazelle
my windows is realy presistant about it, i had to decline like 4 times already
ruby yarrow
Mine is like, "Hey you can upgrade to 11, but some things might not work anymore though."
kind rivet
inland marsh
Dealing with industrial PLC stuffs, there's practically no way to avoid 98 or XP
paper goblet
I like W11 personally, I prefer the UI of 11, and it's slightly faster too
10 is fine though
hexed citrus
waxen star
I mean for XOC even some basic BIOS that can run simple mathematical tasks to be...
I mean pretty much.
If anything, the less the system does, the better, which is why I still use WXP a lot.
waxen star
I like W11 personally, I prefer the UI of 11, and it's slightly faster too
My main issue with W11 is that their new start menu is just terrible...
glossy patrol
Anybody know how I can monitor my 6800K's power usage without monitoring from the wall. No software solution will work
waxen star
Anybody know how I can monitor my 6800K's power usage without monitoring from th...
If HWiNFO64 or XTU won't do, then nothing will do really...
Yea ok, you could use a clamp to measure the amps going through the EPS but I doubt you want that XD
glossy patrol
Yeah, a shame
waxen star
I take it neither HWiNFO64 nor XTU would suffice your needs?
glossy patrol
They indeed don't
waxen star
Sadge... yea then you're kinda out of options.
ashen zodiac
I mean if you monitor from the wall, that's the entire system's power draw
hexed citrus
Anybody know how I can monitor my 6800K's power usage without monitoring from th...
if u have a PSU that can do that u can
wintry forge
dang what model is that
waxen star
I'm already happy if my PSU doesn't spontaneously explode... Let alone be famcy like that xD
hexed citrus
my server PSUs have high precision reading and control via I2C
inland marsh
You probably can pull stats from ACPI or SMBus
At least modern VRM should report on SMBus
glossy patrol
https://yamato.azurlane.moe/media/ttagb.png
Nobody just has a PSU like this
I have a CX550 which I got for £45
inland marsh
Amusingly adding power measurement like that is only about $5 BOM-wise
paper goblet
500FPS bitcoin let's goo
glossy patrol
waxen star
I just realized my PSU (FSP Twins 500) actually does have readouts for input, output, temperature etc. etc.
Didn't know.
ashen zodiac
I find it ironic how it's always the bitcoin scammers that hack and advertise
ashen zodiac
wintry forge
lilac spindle
https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1638979111459885061
tbh it's actually amazing that LMG can still shitpost about this that easily
I wonder what Linus is actually feeling rn
This is probably worst thing to happen to his business since he broke Petabyte project
paper goblet
I just realized my PSU (FSP Twins 500) actually does have readouts for input, ou...
You have a Twins 500W in your own PC?
ashen zodiac
YE I SAW THAT COMMENT TOO LOL
paper goblet
zamn
waxen star
You have a Twins 500W in your own PC?
yea, why?
waxen star
Didn't expect to see someone use a redundant PSU in their home PC
It's mainly because it came from an old server (my old checkers computer).
But I retired that server in favour of a new one (more power efficient) so I had a PSU left-over.
PSU in my PC started to have some wonky behaviour at times (didn't properly handle transients) so I just slammed that one in to save money
slate cape
I just got a new laptop and the screen keeps stuttering so fucking hard when I try to use brave
Wtf
I tried restarting, it dosent really work, other apps work completely fine tho
ashen zodiac
wtf
slate cape
reinstalling the app didnt really help wither
either
bro i wanna use brave
not other websites
inland marsh
I find it ironic how it's always the bitcoin scammers that hack and advertise
Is it even ironic if that's how they usually operate?
inland marsh
I just got a new laptop and the screen keeps stuttering so fucking hard when I t...
Have you tried enabling (or disabling) hw acceleration/rendering?
Tbf how do they even managed to fail a chromium fork 
stone needle
glossy patrol
Beat me to it
slate cape
Have you tried enabling (or disabling) hw acceleration/rendering?
Can you show ss?
I don't get it
It does this with bluestacks as well now when I try to full screen
inland marsh
Likely your GPU driver then
Have you tried reinstalling it?
waxen star
I tried restarting, it dosent really work, other apps work completely fine tho
Does it use Nvidia Optimus or a MUX?
slate cape
Likely your GPU driver then
Have you tried reinstalling it?
I did, it didn't work as well
slate cape
Does it use Nvidia Optimus or a MUX?
No mux, not exactly sure about optimus tho
I have a rtx 3050 on it
waxen star
If it doesn't use a MUX, then very likely uses Optimus.
In which case, a borked driver is likely the issue like Ard mentioned.
inland marsh
Victus most likely use plain optimus
waxen star
yuh
slate cape
I'll go do it tmr, about to sleep rn, but thank you, you guys 
inland marsh
Download your drivers (both the discrete and integrated one)
Download DDU (https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html)
Follow DDU's instruction, especially the "disconnect your internet to prevent windows update messing up" part
slate cape
Download your drivers (both the discrete and integrated one)
Download DDU (https...
So i basically uninstall both the drivers and then reinstall the drivers?
glossy patrol
Yes
hexed citrus
restive gazelle
sounds like my c++ course
ashen zodiac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGXaAWbzl5A
Imagine being the editor who had to look through all the footage and edit your boss' genitalia out of a video for YouTube.
stone needle
Yrd
glossy patrol
Ikr
lilac spindle
Imagine being the editor who had to look through all the footage and edit your b...
This confirms that he sleeps nude
ashen zodiac
Man's trying to stop his channel from getting hacked at 3am in the morning naked with his wife sitting there.
Debating if I want a $36 skin for my phone cause dbrand lol
lilac spindle
Debating if I want a $36 skin for my phone cause dbrand lol
Should have bought the staring linus case when it was still available
ashen zodiac
I got a Spigen case
I meant like.. one of these
Jesus christ....
All 3 of those come with the black one with a pattern that looks like the skin, just not shiny, cause the metal they used for it interferes like 1% with the signal of your phone lol
slate cape
lmao i just had to update my int graphics and it was working fine
ashen zodiac
I got this case for my phone.
severe falcon
All 3 of those come with the black one with a pattern that looks like the skin, ...
thin metal = 1% interference
I wonder what my aluminum phone case does to my signal
glossy patrol
Some clear cases are really nice
My Nord came with a clear case stock, and it was really nice
ashen zodiac
>thin metal = 1% interference
I wonder what my aluminum phone case does to my si...
Due to a ~0.1% composition of a metallic additive, a small minority of users have experienced signal reduction when using Damascus with certain devices.
For the Galaxy S23+, the device's antenna bands are not covered by the skin. As a result, your signal should remain unaffected.
That said, if your signal rarely exceeds one bar, we don't recommend buying Damascus. If this warning isn't enough to stop you, we've got good news: every order includes a free, non-holographic Triple Black Damascus skin. As with all of our non-holographic materials, it has zero impact on your signal. In the unlikely event that you encounter any issues with the holographic version, you are encouraged to switch to this non-holographic skin.
Basically buy this shiny one and get this not-shiny one free.
ashen zodiac
I think my big issue other than lol $25 usd for both is... will it still fit inside my case
glossy patrol
Should do? I assume your case is flexible. Cases usually have some wiggle room
And skins are very very thin
inland marsh
Is he the last of the Fairchildren?
lilac spindle
Is he the last of the Fairchildren?
pretty sure yeah
He was the last of the Traitorous Eight
inland marsh
Man, It's wild that Fairchild Semi is no longer exist as well, also what they had become at the end of its (independent) existence
ashen zodiac
Congressman: Does TikTok access the home wifi network?
TikTok: Only if the user turns on the wifi.
Congressman: If I have TikTok on my phone, and my phone is on my home wifi network, does TikTok access that home network?
TikTok: It will have to access the network to access the internet.
Congressman: Is it possible then it could access other devices on that home wifi network?
.....what the fuck are these questions?
fathom breach
U.S. congress discovering wifi
ashen zodiac
I just can't even lol....
I don't like TikTok, but they made congress look like a bunch of dumbasses. lol
lilac spindle
I don't like TikTok, but they made congress look like a bunch of dumbasses. lol
Boomers being unaware of tech
what's new
glossy patrol
Apes
lilac spindle
same thing happened with the Facebook inquiry
ruby yarrow
Some reason I want to say that sounds like a Republican there with those dumbass questions
fathom breach
Sounds like a npc response made on a time crunch
ashen zodiac
"Your parent company, Bytedance, can access user data. Yes?"
"Let's-"
"Yes. Yes."
"We have to be more specific-"
"Yes. Yes."
"After Project Texas-"
"I'm not asking about after Project Texas, I'm asking now. Yes."
"Some data is public data-"
"So you confirm that."
THE ENTIRE TIME SHE WAS MAKING A SHIT EATING GRIN LIKE "OHHHH I GOTCHU HERE FAM"
hexed citrus
I don't like TikTok, but they made congress look like a bunch of dumbasses. lol
you mean to say congress isn't a bunch of clowns in suits?
ashen zodiac
Boomers and Karens lmao
Buddy Carter so proud of the shit he pulled that he uploaded his part onto his YouTube channel to get clowned on lol
subtle hawk
you mean to say congress isn't a bunch of clowns in suits?
half of these people answered their own questions if thats how they gonna do it what was he invited for in the first place
ruby yarrow
you mean to say congress isn't a bunch of clowns in suits?
Problem is half of Congress right now in the US is pretty much the Circus itself
I mean it's what happens when we vote in crazy and dumb to run the goverment
Also, rather not say anymore then that already too
astral oar
is this normal? recorded a 3minute movie on the phone for 4.8GB
glossy patrol
Good phone cameras generally have a fat ass bitrate. You're most likely recording at the highest resolution your camera allows, and at 60FPS
waxen star
is this normal? recorded a 3minute movie on the phone for 4.8GB
Really depends on the resolution, bitrate, fps, encoder, compression, bit depth etc. etc.
With the settings I most commonly use on my camera (the imo perfect balance between quality and storage for this thing), I get 200MB/s, so 3 minutes would give me file about 36GB.
I can drop down resolution and fps but I'd be losing flexibility in post-prod.
Likewise, I can increase the settings (and just go completely overkill) and I can reach 528MB/s (so 3 mins would take me around 95GB).
The theoretical max of this thing would be ~773MB/s (but that's just plain stupid) so yea...
Without knowing the exact settings, it could be completely abnormal, completely normal or pretty good.
astral oar
whoa thats a lot, I had it on 4k 60fps, guess it could be worse. I only knew cuz after that vid phone storage ran out
waxen star
whoa thats a lot, I had it on 4k 60fps, guess it could be worse. I only knew cu...
Yea, it can get worse.
4K60 with the other quality settings being practically the same (as opposed to my normal settings) would be around 51MB/s for me so about 9.1GB for 3 mins.
inland marsh
Realtime encoding is usually a bit inefficient too especially in a phone, so bitrate will be higher than expected for the same image quality target
ashen zodiac
Usually your phone camera goes like
- 2nd highest resolution 60fps
- Highest resolution 30fps
subtle hawk
hmmmm
slate cape
I want to future proof my laptop, is it more viable to buy a 2tb ssd or 1tb one?
I was mainly looking at Samsung 980
inland marsh
I don't think 980 comes in 2TB
lilac spindle
Oh the 980 pro. the 980 normal doesn't have a 2TB one when I checked
glossy patrol
I want to future proof my laptop, is it more viable to buy a 2tb ssd or 1tb one?...
That's not "future proofing"
That's just giving yourself more storage so you don't have to delete and manage as much
Storage is piss easy to expand
And jesus, I would not buy a 980 Pro for 464 of any dollar, unless maybe AUD lol
little seal
what a coincidence, because I have 2x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO for my desktop
little seal
well, I mainly did it to save on physical space in my computer case
glossy patrol
Again, good for you. That is indeed what M.2's do
waxen star
I want to future proof my laptop, is it more viable to buy a 2tb ssd or 1tb one?...
First of all: In pretty much all good hardware circles, "future proofing" is considered a sin.
Second of all: Think about it first... What are your storage needs? Do you really need 2TB worth of blazingly fast storage that takes up very little space? Or would you be able to do with a 1TB 980 Pro?
I just checked my own laptop with a 128GB SSD in it... Still has about 100GB free 
glossy patrol
First of all: In pretty much all good hardware circles, "future proofing" is con...
Or literally like, an MX500, lol
waxen star
Or literally like, an MX500, lol
basically.