#technology
quartz atlas
prime haven
google software devs seem pretty terrible. or maybe their philosophy is just terrible. seems like google always does subpar mediocre versions, releases them, and then stops working on them
sudden raft
have you looked in the 3 dot menu there
because there's an option to minimize the window frame bar into a slot sized touchpoint
people love to hate on samsung for being bloated or something
i prefer to think of it as having everything you need in the system already
anything you think you need or want
and install a third party app for
is probably already doable in vanilla samsung experience
all those fancy new "amazing features" in android 12L?
been using them for years via one ui
think they have the nav bar buttons backwards?
just swap them
it takes less than a minute
want more buttons? you can do that too
want android gestures? sure of course you can have those too
power users are missing out by thinking it's "bloatware" when said power users cry for "vanilla" and then have to patch all the missing things with third party alternatives
subtle hawk
It feels good going back to Samsung indeed, especially having OnePlus for two years and having issues with it, besides the charging port failing (though I did refuse to repair it, because my mindset was to switch back to Samsung in the end). So yeah, done with that whole ordeal. Never buying another OnePlus ever again
This S21 FE is good for its price
hexed citrus
all those fancy new "amazing features" in android 12L?
been using them for **yea...
not all of them were in one ui
some of them arrived in one ui with 12L
sudden raft
name one
hexed citrus
quick access taskbar
hexed citrus
and no the side drawer doesn't count
hexed citrus
on what, a samsung tablet?
sudden raft
yes
hexed citrus
yeah how about adding that to a phone
sudden raft
available on the fold
hexed citrus
fold 4
sudden raft
on the phones no because not enough space
hexed citrus
the 3 doesn't have it
sudden raft
the 3 doesn't have it
well guess what i've had it
hexed citrus
nor the 2 nor the 1
sudden raft
it's all been available via goodlock modules
basically everything google is adding have been good lock modules for months
i suppose then the catch is that; yes, they are not in one ui by default, but good lock is a one ui exclusive, and everything i've used in it eventually became an "android feature"
except for navbar button icon customization and task switcher style
or idk the extended customization for the notification toggles
hexed citrus
exactly, not built-in, which makes your point the same at the ones wanting vanilla and then installing mods
hexed citrus
goodlock mods are still mods at the end of the day
sudden raft
they're one ui integrations
but the fact of the matter is that samsung has already had everything google is touting as amazing new android 12l features
hexed citrus
also keep in mind samsung and google are working closely together for the past years
so a lot of what samsung has made can't be granted 100% to them
they pick the best of both worlds and add that to android
sudden raft
would be nice if google wasn't so slow with it
hexed citrus
just like how wear OS got revived by getting the openness and widespread use of android with the UX and layout of Tizen
sudden raft
or idk
people would stop hating on samsung when they're the ones who probably got google to even implement those features
hexed citrus
people that hate on samsung are the same people that buy an iphone so go guess
sudden raft
google apparently thinks flip to silence was a revolutionary enough feature
to put on a marketing pamphlet for a pixel
not to mention i see some article about google having a severe glitch in each pixel update
every other week
what is this, windows 11 patch thursday?
anyhow good lock may be "mods" samsung first party mods or not
but the big difference is they don't require root like most other ways of deep customization would
because they're already one ui integrated
hexed citrus
people haven't been rooting their phones for years now
because the API now offers a much deeper level of customization and access
sudden raft
not for the ways good lock lets you
prime haven
people that hate on samsung are the same people that buy an iphone so go guess
there you go hating on apple man. I think it could be everyone who hates on them.
even ppl that use their phones
for example. why is samsung deceving europeans by putting the snapdragon in the full specs list- and then when you press "purchase" on their website, they link you to a "regional site" without telling you, and change the cpu without mentioning it. pretty shady.
why did they forcibly implement bixby for many years. even going out of their way to remove the "remap custom patches" for the physical hardware buttons on S8 to S10
i legit waited with buying their phone, until they finally gave up on bixby. (the S20)
inland marsh
can't believe they get away with that SD/Exy thing
On the other hand it's also a bit surprising no one is bothered by them using same marketing name for different SKU.
I know there's no legal obligation for such disclosure beyond "not outright deceiving", but still...
subtle hawk
Thankfully the S21 FE that I bought is Snapdragon 888, even though there are some versions that are Exynos as well. FE known to being mainly SD though
But yeah, rumors are going around that Samsung will finally ditch Exynos and only go with Snapdragon versions for the time being
Another rumor that Samsung might switch to Mediatek chips, so time will tell what happens exactly
ebon mason
Exynos 
hexed citrus
oh please you're acting like you bought a GT730 for the price of a RTX 3090
subtle hawk
Is.. that a problem suddenly?
I'm confused about your toxicity, because I haven't said anything controversial
kindred arrow
People doesn't seem to need a superuser app like Magisk these days, partly because Android itself gets more customizable than ever, and partly because of SafetyNet
Obviously they wouldn't want to go through the trouble of making their banking apps barely function on a rooted device
kindred arrow
there you go hating on apple man. I think it could be everyone who hates on them...
I'm one of the few people who are really indifferent to any smartphone and doesn't seem to like smartphone nerds infighting
I'm also a fan of some of Apple's products, like Shazam
But that's really it
prime haven
the apple haters usually seem pretty unreasonable
and apple-fans i think often just leave the conversations if someone hates
mental coyote
Eh. Been running a 6a with Graphene lately. Gotta say I'm not hugely missing being rooted.
kindred arrow
I've been there before myself, I used to be one of those 14 year olds who hates Apple for dumb reasons
But then I started actually having problems with every other tech company besides Apple, and therefore I just grew out of my immaturity
prime haven
as soon as i say something positive about a device from apple, haters just default to "typical apple sheep / fanboy", and trying to ignore every argument.
which is pretty embarrassing, calling someone that uses android and MS windows an "apple sheep" for the sake of not needing to make any decent arguments
literally only own an iPad = apple sheep because i don't say apple is shit
kindred arrow
literally only own an iPad = apple sheep because i don't say apple is shit
it's depressing because iPads are the best tablets
prime haven
by far. yes
mental coyote
None of these companies are yer friend. Use what yer comfortable with, tbh.
prime haven
android is pretty embarrassing for tablets mostly. so only stuff like surface pro (which i consider more of a tablet-PC than a tablet)
the iPad doesn't compete in the same categories as my PC, or my phone.
but here is how i would put it:
the iPad is better at being an iPad
than my smartphone is at being a smartphone
hexed citrus
android is pretty embarrassing for tablets mostly. so only stuff like surface pr...
the surface pro runs windows
hexed citrus
I'm confused about your toxicity, because I haven't said anything controversial
I wasn't talking to you specifically and you're the last person I want to hear from about toxicity
subtle hawk
Well thanks for clarifying then because it got me confused
prime haven
i know, but its still a tablet- hence- a tablet-PC
and it also has a touch screen, something most laptops don't
so tablet form factor and touchscreen capabilties are given for tablet usage
ebon mason
Now gpu price here is normal
my gpu is cheaper than i pay in 2020
i pay 650usd in 2020 for rtx 3070 now its easy to get the same for 600
i am from eu soo we have high taxes
2 types some cheaper
normal price
600-650usd
1170usd
i remember when this gpu was like 2.5k usd
year ago
prime haven
the whole stock issue situation was purely beneficial for me
i got my rtx3080 rog strix for 800 Euros, and sold my old GTX1080 for 550 Euros about 4-5 months after that.
so i was able to sell the gtx1080 at only 100 Euros less than the original price
ebon mason
i sell my old gtx 1070 for 420 Euro
@prime haven
xD
in 2021
what i buy in 2019 for 360euro
Stongs
now u can find GTX 1080 for like 200-250 Euro
prime haven
looked it up, it was 700 Euros in 2016.
Sold for 550 Euros in 2021 after5 years of usage
ebon mason
ohh
last price of 1080 here i shop what i check was
550euro
for gaming X
440 euro for gigabyte
the cheapest
it was 2019
worthy musk
i pay 650usd in 2020 for rtx 3070 now its easy to get the same for 600
I paid 400$ for a very sketchy 3070
prime haven
i still wonder if i should have purchased the rtx3090 rog strix back then for 1600 Euros. the answer is yes, yes i should have, but rather if i should have kept it or sold it
(this was 1600 Euros)
imagine. even NOW it costs 2300 Euros.
but i (reasonably at the time) said, that i dont need a 3090, and will instead try to get a 3080. .. Which I actually achieved, even for normal price as well, somehow.
worthy musk
You have 2k for a graphics card?
hexed citrus
(this was 1600 Euros)
I have the founders edition of that, it was around 1800 as well
hexed citrus
I had to import it
which meant tons of taxes and fees
but it was cheaper than buying retail
worthy musk
That card costs as much as two of my entire computer
subtle hawk
Buying a phone in 2035: You're only getting the box and have to buy the phone separately
hexed citrus
i think ishit 15 will have type-c
the top of the line iphone 14 has type C
ebon mason
the top of the line iphone 14 has type C
no
still lightning
i am from EU
what do this type-c shit
subtle hawk
Just checked myself and nope, still USB C to Lightning
The iPhone 14 lineup comes with many new features and upgrades over the iPhone 13-series, but a USB-C port is not one of them. one of the tech sites
worthy musk
I wouldnt be suprised if they removed the charging port and forced you to use wireless charging
400$ rtx 3070 came in today
ebon mason
its used?
worthy musk
Yes
quartz atlas
shitty qc, cheapo components, bad support
quartz atlas
quality control
hexed citrus
inb4 blows up 2 months later
worthy musk
Why would it
hexed citrus
in other news, 10 more days to 40xx
40 series gon b gud
shitty qc, cheapo components
and considering it's used who knows under what stress it's been
quartz atlas
likely a mining card tbh
hexed citrus
all the cards in my collection even if bought used I know for sure that they weren't mined on
quartz atlas
if it were kept in cool conditions, and ran undervolted, it might probably be still serviceable, but i wont trust gb components to begin with
its the "budget" mainstream brand amongst pc hardware for a reason
they need to be saving costs somewhere
hexed citrus
gb and zotac
inland marsh
Mining card might be ran undervolted but they often still beating the crap out of its VRAM
Thankfully repairing the VRAM is a bit easier, but yeah, gl with that
inland marsh
Check the BIOS if it got modified
hexed citrus
Check the BIOS if it got modified
RTX cards are a PITA to modify in BIOS
AMD cards are a piece of cake
solar steppe
im so excited for 4000 seriesi 
I havent been able to build my new pc because im waiting for it!
inland marsh
NRF24 my beloved 
sudden raft
....does that control that bug
wintry forge
It's a cool project
hexed citrus
prime haven
oh yeah, as a project i suppose it's cool
ebon mason
hexed citrus
wintry forge
how short-lived
vagrant holly
20 BILLIONS
Man i like the free market and all but
This whole big company buy small company feels a little off
wintry forge
it happens all the time
if you're a confident owner, you wouldn't sell your company
wintry forge
now thats big news
sudden raft
they're going to be more like EPSU now i guess
ebon mason
EVGA was always less popular in EU then in US
Here we have like 3 gpu from EVGA and budget one only
GPU market here
hexed citrus
EVGA was always less popular in EU then in US
no it wasn't
EVGA was a maket leader here too
doe mostly in the western side of EU
hexed citrus
it's whoever they parner with
hexed citrus
for example here locally EVGA has literally no products
tons of zotac doe
bcz everyone partnered with zotac
ebon mason
zotac is popular here too
versed blade
EVGA was and is one of the the best brand both in US and EU
by quite a bit
if you wanted raw power and quality you go for EVGA
also great customer support
ebon mason
customer support xDDD Not here
they dont care about eastern europe
But its the same Google my coutry is in EU like 18 years and we still dont have official google shop
the poorer market, and they don't care
quartz atlas
yes, companies invest $ in where they can make $
ebon mason
But in EU is not problem buy most of stuff if u cant buy it in local market
here one company undertook to sell google pixel with its own warranty
but they cost more
German price of 6a is 459Euro
here
but we have higher tax
german have 19%
we have 23%
Euro = USD
its still not bad
here if they will sell it official it will be like 499Euro
50Euro extra for own warranty
sudden raft
it entirely depends
on what distributors they had
in north america EVGA basically acted as their own distributorship
their direct reach didn't extend to most of asia and europe
ebon mason
oh cool zenfone 9 released in my region
i can buy it like now
xD
wtf
its with tax
23%
ebon mason
wintry forge
yay zenfone 9 in stock
ebon mason
Anyone have here mega drive cloud on iphone
i just change my memeber to normal lite
and i see 1 think
normal on pc price is higher than on iphone
Iphone 3.8USD/Euro per month
Pc 5USD/euro per month
raven sentinel
Let’s just hope the power draw isn’t that high
ebon mason
wintry forge
450W for the 4090
sounds reasonable
well, it isn't
but it's less than the proclaimed 1000 watts
cpu and gpu combined only uses 60 watts peak while playing genshin for me
including having a hardware monitor, and a browser open
inland marsh
Why have two different SKU with what's practically same marketing name tho...
I kinda understand if it was only GDDR difference; but that's practically different ROP count while the naming suggest there's only GDDR difference
kindred arrow
I'm so bored of the new Nvidia GPUs
They just show the most unaffordable options for 3D modelers and not the average GPUs for everyone else
It'll be another year or two to even wait until an RTX 4050
... or an even cheaper GTX card
rough sedge
Why have two different SKU with what's practically same marketing name tho...
because calling it what it actually is, a $900 RTX 4070 would result in less sales
kindred arrow
I'm surprised the parody 4090 is almost accurate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0frNP0qzxQc
kindred arrow
because calling it what it actually is, a $900 RTX 4070 would result in less sal...
It would've been overpriced for a 70 series gpu
kindred arrow
It's too expensive and at the same time too boring for me
rough sedge
the crypto mining boom is over so there's no reason for these inflated prices
4090 still only has 24GB of VRAM
ironic how Nvidia kept carrying on about AI this AI that. Meanwhile a lot of AI shit has been bottlenecked by VRAM size, not GPU power
kindred arrow
The solution is easy, just buy two of them and make a threadripper pro build out of this
rough sedge
lmao you wish
they took away NVLINK support
so you can't combine their performance
kindred arrow
The types of people who would remotely care about this GPU are not the average gamers
kindred arrow
they took away NVLINK support
It's not necessary, you could render with both running
rough sedge
if I were really into AI shit I'd just buy a second 3090, connect it with NVLINLK and have 48GB of VRAM to work with
rough sedge
It's not necessary, you could render with both running
yeah but they would be rendering separate tasks
with NVLINK you can pool all the power and VRAM together to compute a single task
sudden raft
cpu and gpu combined only uses 60 watts peak while playing genshin for me
my cpu uses ~150w so
sudden raft
the most fascinating thing here to me
is that it says it has dual encoders
i wonder if that's so it can handle simultaneous streaming + shadowplay better or something
sudden raft
450W for the 4090
i imagine some of it is due to the extra memory chips if there are more
but it's also undoubtedly due to just having a higher power limit
i figure it might take undervolting just as well as ampere
then again actually when you consider it has 68% more shaders for 40% an increase in power rating for the same, slightly higher even, boost clock, that's actually rather good
but they'll probably cost a bomb due to being tightly binned
quartz atlas
if I were really into AI shit I'd just buy a second 3090, connect it with NVLINL...
or buy a quadro? 
versed blade
Need suggestions for a £250~ phone android
hexed citrus
but it's less than the proclaimed 1000 watts
that was just a blown out of proportion rumor, it's not possible for a single PCIe device to draw 1kW by itself
hexed citrus
ironic how Nvidia kept carrying on about AI this AI that. Meanwhile a lot of AI ...
AI training isn't done on consumer cards, at least not the actual big data AIs, and for those applications there's specialized compute modules nvidia has for system integrators that also have much more VRAM and can share it across themselves using the successor to nvlink
hexed citrus
with NVLINK you can pool all the power and VRAM together to compute a single tas...
that's not what nvlink does, all nvlink gives you is a bigger shared buffer, you still need to schedule tasks to each individual card manually, which most modern renderers can already do without it
rough sedge
AI training isn't done on consumer cards, at least not the actual big data AIs, ...
I am well aware of this 🗿
hexed citrus
them why are you spreading misinformation
rough sedge
But Nvidia made it a huge talking point in their presentation
hexed citrus
it was talking about the lovelace architecture
not the cards specifically
what was more about the consumer side AI was the new DLSS
rough sedge
It was talking about the architecture as a whole yes. But they also stated it in relation to the cards specifically too
hexed citrus
that needs more AI cores since it also does temporal and chromatic predictions
rough sedge
that's not what nvlink does, all nvlink gives you is a bigger shared buffer, you...
I was grossly simplifying it for the sake of conversation
hexed citrus
your oversimplification is again misinformation and painfully wrong
rough sedge
Who
wintry forge
Need suggestions for a £250~ phone android
samsung galaxy a13 5g, a32
ebon mason
Need suggestions for a £250~ phone android
OnePlus Nord CE 2 Lite 5G
vivo Y72 5G
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S
Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro
Xiaomi Poco M4 Pro 5G
OPPO A54s
realme 8 6+
hexed citrus
prime haven
Need suggestions for a £250~ phone android
You feared someone suggests a 250$ iPhone to you?
versed blade
ebon mason
250GPB=/=250$
prime haven
Ah, it’s the brexit money, mb
ebon mason
AND 250GBP its used one
versed blade
yeah
also I already will have an iphone
just need a spare phone but android as my op7p has its outer glass broken
ebon mason
here for this 250gpb u can buy used like SE 2020/ XS/ XR /X/8 plus / 8
versed blade
yup
ebon mason
Used iphone 11 is about 350GBP
subtle hawk
Speaking of OnePlus, managed to sell mine so good riddance with that brand
subtle hawk
I'm definitely liking the S21 FE since I bought it right at the beginning of September
worthy musk
So the gigabyte card was actually that bad-
It was DOA so i sent it back and got a asus 3070
Pray it works
wintry forge
it's a pretty big phone
at least compared to the one I'm using right now
4.9 in. display
2.5 in. wide
gloomy tinsel
So the gigabyte card was actually that bad-
I had like 3 gigabyte cards since 2009
the first one is 9600GT
gtx 1060
and RTX 3060 VISION
subtle hawk
Oh wow, I had the same card back in 2008, the 9600GT
rough sedge
3 out of the last 4 graphics cards I've owned were Gigabyte, the brand itself is pretty hit and miss these days but if you actually get something that runs well then the value is great
quartz atlas
thats the whole point, they are "value" cards
as long as you dont run into any issues that is
rough sedge
The heatsink on the 3090 Vison/Eagle is absolutely beautiful when you look at the inside. With different sized fins everywhere in order to maximise surface area and conform to the components on the board... But the VRAM runs at like 100 degrees because their thermal pads are absolute ass lmao 
I know it's not the most advanced or cool engineering, but to see it on a brand like Gigabyte is a welcome surprise
gloomy tinsel
3 out of the last 4 graphics cards I've owned were Gigabyte, the brand itself is...
No, not about value. I got my 3060 Vision for like 940$. when other 3060 were like 800$
just to match the white theme
yeah personal stuff
rough sedge
yeah that's fair
gloomy tinsel
now 3060s is like 370$
rough sedge
I got the Vision card because it was white too, and like $300 cheaper than the white Asus one
rough sedge
then I got a company to print out a custom sticker to cover up that weird purple strip
it came out alright-ish
gloomy tinsel
yeah this one too. The card still live but fan is dead
its a GTX 950
got no fan to replace it so I ziptie a case fan to it
rough sedge
ah here's the pic of what I did to the Vision card
yes I know it's upside down, this was an inverted case
gloomy tinsel
its upside down?
rough sedge
fairly basic but it looked okay from a distance
gloomy tinsel
wth man
rough sedge
yeah inverted cases are a thing
gloomy tinsel
I mean inverted case looks pretty weird and cool
I don't like most of em because its like. your rear board IO stick out to the top of the case
rough sedge
the biggest issue is that you need to run the top fans as an intake
leaving you with just the rear for exhaust
gloomy tinsel
I never liked Asus stuff on PC parts
idk I feel like. they just give 3 years of the same design with slight changes
rough sedge
I'll be honest I've never owned any Asus products
gloomy tinsel
only 1 ITX mobo
rough sedge
I have nothing against the brand but I've just never owned any
it's not like Th*maltake where I will publicly boycot their shit
gloomy tinsel
its just because Asus Customer service in here is picky and stuff
repair price is also 3/4 of the product sometimes
rough sedge
actually I was gonna get an Asus motherboard for my most recent build
but switched to MSI at the last moment
my last 4 boards have been MSI 
gloomy tinsel
I've done a MSI H610M-G with a 12600K
rough sedge
gloomy tinsel
it still fine, but just don't
was just experimenting on their VRM is good enough or not
solid 80C
rough sedge
I have a MEG B550 Unify with a 5900x
and I've got a B550 PRO VDH with a 5700g that I've been meaning to put in the case but haven't been bothered to
rough sedge
it still fine, but just don't
why not?
gloomy tinsel
its just you can't unlock the full feature of 12600K
b550 pro VDH had problem with their BIOS on 5600G
rough sedge
yeah you have to do a BIOS flash
gloomy tinsel
it still won't
rough sedge
luckily you can flash it without a CPU in
rough sedge
its just you can't unlock the full feature of 12600K
oh that's whack
gloomy tinsel
yeah its still won't you can search that one on reddit
lots of people had that issue
rough sedge
interesting
shut sapphire
What anyone thought about rtx 4000
quartz atlas
Waiting for Nov 3rd
But I probs will be getting 4090 fe
AIB cards pretty ugly this time round
It's either bricks
Or a giant maxipad
wintry forge
rtx 4000 looks like an appetizer for rtx 5000
if they have better performance per watt than radeon, then I might upgrade in the future
quartz atlas
It's not called ampere next for nothing
wintry forge
surely it isn't any more expensive to make fans using SS02 bearings instead of SS0 bearings on noctua coolers
I just see this as a waste
wintry forge
$32 is on the cheaper side
ebon mason
28$ with tax 23%
wintry forge
if you go to a microcenter, it's around $40 usd
wintry forge
the noctua redux one is $20 usd at microcenter
wintry forge
regardless, it doesn't make sense why noctua still makes redux with the old SSO bearings
ebon mason
15$ with tax
wintry forge
this one
wintry forge
regardless, it doesn't make sense why noctua still makes redux with the old SSO ...
like I understand removing the rubber dampners and other accesories to cut costs on the redux
wintry forge
but why purposely use an older bearing
wintry forge
I think it's because noctua is from austria
wintry forge
looks pretty good actually
ebon mason
they change this stuff
wintry forge
okay, it probably is as bad
wintry forge
epic
ebon mason
what cost like 4x more
fan is good too
i was using silentium cooler in my old CPU and fans
but i change cpu to i7
and AIO
wintry forge
I'm using stock cooler right now
ebon mason
i7 9700kf is hot boi
what need AIO if u wanna do all stuff
its Fractal Design Celsius S36 Blackout
wintry forge
beefy cooler
ebon mason
yee
this i7 is like i9 9gen
both hot
its good i can do benchmark CPU + GPU and no bottleneck
wintry forge
what
ebon mason
PRIME95 + FURMARK
Try do this on your pc
xD
and w8 like 10min
1 part of prime bench do like 260W on my CPU
i have 750W power supply
i7 9gen and rtx 3070
soo its no problem
total what this setup eat is like 590W
its with max max
in gaming 500
cyberpunk 2077 in max setting RT Ultra DLLS
wintry forge
I don't think my system at max load would use any more than 200 watts
ebon mason
my friend try do this bench what i do
but he is idiot what dont change power suply after he change cpu and gpu
he have 750W too
but with
ryzen 9 5900x
and rtx 3090
xD
and 750W
pc just reset in bench
he need like 850W and its min
1000W will be the best
i remember when he show me price of his gpu what he pay in 2020
he is working in electronics store
870$ for rtx 3090 he pay with 23% tax
in 2020
he buy it when 3090 came out
i buy my 3070 in november
he in december
the employees have big discounts and that is very much at his shop
@wintry forge he pay like 50%
of normal price
wintry forge
that's nice
ebon mason
but price of new gpu's
MRSP of 3070 in 2020 was 2359pln (480$)
MRSP of 4080 12GB(what is 4070) is here F.... 5399pln (1080$)
@wintry forge
Normal 4080 16GB is here 7049pln (1435$)
wintry forge
pricey
ebon mason
He we love taxes here
xD
23%
its sick rich country like German have smaller saletax
we are have poor
wintry forge
hopefully amd doesn't screw us over with their radeon gpu prices
ebon mason
Av Monthly salary german is 4100Euro
Av Monthly salary poland is 1370Euro
not many ppl earn like this
its like 10-15%
ebon mason
hopefully amd doesn't screw us over with their radeon gpu prices
if 7900xt will cost like 1000EURO
xD
it will kill nvidia
u know US dolar cost more than euro xD
now
1USD
quartz atlas
hopefully amd doesn't screw us over with their radeon gpu prices
oh they absolutely will
hexed citrus
But I probs will be getting 4090 fe
it's a great card but fuck me is it a chungus, you need to really secure it down else it sags like hell
that and dealing with the fukken nvidia PCIe power adaptor
quartz atlas
It's just the new standard tho. Amd gonna be using it as well.
quartz atlas
it's a great card but fuck me is it a chungus, you need to really secure it down...
Some AIBs are saying they reinforced the backplate to prevent sag, we'll see
hexed citrus
Some AIBs are saying they reinforced the backplate to prevent sag, we'll see
it's not the card PCB that flexes, it's the mobo and the card itself sagging from the weight 
wintry forge
the pcie slot is hanging on to its dear life
quartz atlas
the claims are that they reinforced the backplate so that its more rigid and provide support directly via the bracket, instead of just putting the weight on the MB
hexed citrus
I mean reinforcing the card itself just makes the PCIe slot itself the fulcrum
and it's not a strong mobo
well
rough sedge
I thought that was a tubes-up front radiator at first 
Nice build
By the way if you want cheap fans that outperform nearly all of Noctua's lineup, check out the Arctic P12
ebon mason
I would only replace the cables
rough sedge
They're the ultimate slap in the face to other fan companies
rough sedge
$30 for 5 fans, no rubber dampers, 6 year warranty. They also make a ball bearing version for home server use
rough sedge
Are Silentium any good?
rough sedge
Because the Arctic ones are top tier
rough sedge
Ah okay
ebon mason
i am w8 when they will start sell it in US
we start selling GOODRAM stuff in US
in last year
rough sedge
I bought 20 of the Arctic fans and kept 6 in reserve, expecting some to be defective or die early because of how cheap they were.
They've been running near continuously for a year now and none are showing any signs of wear 
ebon mason
i have 2 cheap goodram ssd's
rough sedge
https://www.goodram.com/en/
Those white RAM sticks look really nice
rough sedge
Damn that's not a bad price
ebon mason
with tax 23%
rough sedge
I think I'd get wrecked on the shipping fees if I tried to buy from here
ebon mason
without tax its 45.5$
ebon mason
I think I'd get wrecked on the shipping fees if I tried to buy from here
like always
my corsair too lifetime
ebon mason
its good price for cl16 and 3200
i have this one
but first 2 sticks i buy in 2019
with this sick price of ram
i pay 2x more
in 2019
and 2 more in 2020
what price drop half
rough sedge
Yeah that's what I have
ebon mason
i love how this website is easy to change all stuff
it one of the biggest shops here
rough sedge
Nice
The biggest shop we have is super convenient but they're really expensive on the shipping
ebon mason
u know we dont have official google shop here in poland
rough sedge
The other stores have comparably crap sites
ebon mason
soo we dont have pixel here
soo what this shop do
is an intermediary and gives internal guarantee
to pixel
price is higher but u can buy it
its like 25-30% extra
looks like google dont care about us
xD
but i have german like 400km from my home
soo its not problem to buy pixel in shop
i have family in german too
@rough sedge they have nice sale hours
its 5.9$
rough sedge
The most annoying thing about the large computer shop here is that they charge a flat rate shipping fee, regardless of what you order.
So like if I order an entire PC worth of components and get it express shipped it's only about $15 USD.
But if I forget a liquid cooling fitting or a cable and want that small item shipped, it's also $15 
rough sedge
looks like google dont care about us
Now that's a first
ebon mason
rough sedge
I thought Google would want to sell their data harvesters to as many people as humanly possible
ebon mason
we have big market with chinese phones here
big af
xiaomi oppo huawei oneplus vivo realme etc
the most popular phone most of time is xiaomi here
top selling
new price of iphone 13 here is joke
@rough sedge after new ishit 14 price of old one go up
xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
rough sedge
It's a bit of a mixed bag here
Loads of US influence causing people to buy iPhones but as far as Android goes we practically got everything here
ebon mason
i am using 2 year iphone 12 pro max
and its last iphone
just dont like it
this limits of all stuff
rough sedge
Some brands like Xiaomi can be hard to find but they're certainly a thing here
ebon mason
this one is not popular like old days
rough sedge
We've got a shitload of Samsung phones here actually
The word "Samsung" is used in place of "Android" by most people
"oh hey is that an iPhone or Samsung charger? Can I borrow it?"
ebon mason
chinese brand still give chargers
if someone wanna meet my country and have new iphone he will have problem af
if wanna use esim
we have only 1
orange
THATS ALL
XD
rough sedge
I think the US model is the only one with esim
Thankfully
But yeah good luck US tourists lmao
rough sedge
ebon mason
144usd
6000mhz if the best for new ryzen
problem is some games need more than 16gb ram
rough sedge
if I'm upgrading to DDR5 I'm definitely not settling for 16GB lol
rough sedge
aren't those the xOC results?
rough sedge
I'm pretty sure the extreme OC results were allowed to be submitted recently
ebon mason
NORMAL bench
rough sedge
I'll have to look into it
quartz atlas
zen4 seems like pretty big flop considering they're barely beating the year old 12th gen, and 13th gen is rumored for 30% coc ipv, which is due to launch in bout 25hours
gloomy tinsel
wintry forge
my parents thinking its a good idea to store important files on a 13 year old hard drive
I'm honestly more dazzled by how they can use a 2c/2t apu from 2009
running windows 10
subtle hawk
Eh, Windows 11 runs on Pentium 4 so anything is possible reallly
wintry forge
Eh, Windows 11 runs on Pentium 4 so anything is possible reallly
runs
wintry forge
I could get them something like this
quartz atlas
Just grab an old p or z series workstation and shove an ssd in it
The old ones at my work place are on half a decade old xeons
And runs pretty much perfectly tbh
sudden raft
I'm honestly more dazzled by how they can use a 2c/2t apu from 2009
did they even call that an apu back then
rough sedge
I could get them something like this
find an auction house that does office liquidations
the one near me has like 50 6th Gen i7 towers every month that sell for barely anything
ebon mason
ebon mason
wintry forge
delid
flint bobcat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfM0GqsIB6c
versed blade
if someone had to make some shitty mock up might as well use paint
literally a copy of the flip
wintry forge
it is interesting how companies like to copy each other instead of doing their own thing
mental coyote
Been happening for years. Apple started making mega-thin laptops, PC OEMs followed suit. Apple made Bluetooth earbuds, didn't take Sammy and Google long to join 'em.
feral hill
may as well ask here, not really panicking rn or anything but 
is it normal for my PC for bsod like half the time i boot it up while sounding like a boeing 737? it says "memory management" which i would assume is something ram related but no clue, i've only had the thing for like 8 months and it's prebuilt if that makes a diff
wintry forge
most definitely not normal
gloomy tinsel
well my AIO always sound like Aquarium water filter for the first 3 second on boot
feral hill
how very reassuring, thank you 
inland marsh
It's common for mobos to put fans into full speed during BIOS
It's not normal to BSOD of course
feral hill
yah it's just sounds loud like... not normal noise tho? like a weird ticking sound is there idk how to describe it 
maybe it's just me being paranoid
like if you put a disc into a dvd player the wrong way, it makes a weird ticking sound
that's kinda what it sounds like
inland marsh
...don't tell me it's your HDD ticking
feral hill
uhhhhhhhhhhh
i don't know 
it's still under warranty and i could return it since they offered a while ago, but i wouldn't know how to go about getting a new pc or even just building one with the return budget 
wintry forge
depending on where you live, building your own computer can save you a lot of money
hexed citrus
It's common for mobos to put fans into full speed during BIOS
It's not normal to...
correction, during POST, Power On Self Test
hexed citrus
yah it's just sounds loud like... not normal noise tho? like a weird ticking sou...
if the bearings of the fan are shot then the higher they ramp up the more of that grinding and forced spinning sound will be heard
feral hill
these are words i don't understand but that doesn't sound good
it only happens when it boots with a bsod
wintry forge
I wouldn't mess around with the hardware on your prebuilt, it could void warranty
hexed citrus
this is a bearing
wintry forge
not quite the bearings in a fan but
hexed citrus
if it has no lubrication then it sounds like the fan is dying
feral hill
so is it shitty prebuilt issue or..? idk how i'd fix it, definitely not touching a thing 
feral hill
they offered a return instead of a repair
quartz atlas
Take a video with sound, maybe we can help
feral hill
hexed citrus
a full RMA?
feral hill
idk what that means
hexed citrus
Return merchandise authorization
feral hill
uhhhh
hexed citrus
basically you send the pc back and they refund you all the money back
feral hill
oh ya full return
feral hill
Take a video with sound, maybe we can help <a:KEKExplode:806791384086478848>
if it happens again i'll try to catch it but honestly just feel like returning at this point cuz it's been a ripe old pain in my ass
i'm too technologically impaired to deal with these issues
hexed citrus
that is a good option
feral hill
around 8 months 
and he doesn't know how to build either
quartz atlas
Oh
hexed citrus
tbh it's easier to have a support line on speed dial than bother someone you know to be ur tech support
feral hill
guess we could learn, but not sure if my budget could net me anything decent
quartz atlas
And they are willing to give you back full value?
feral hill
yeah
feral hill
tbh it's easier to have a support line on speed dial than bother someone you kno...
if only 
quartz atlas
Pc prices have dropped off a cliff the past 8mths
feral hill
i'm worried about all my stuff on it tho, gotta get it all off somehow
quartz atlas
Return it and get a better pre-built with the $ if you dw to build your own
hexed citrus
cloud storage and dump it there
quartz atlas
Make a private discord server
hexed citrus
don't
hexed citrus
that is what we call poor ToS breaking advice
oh
quartz atlas
Nah, games u def need to reinstall and shit
feral hill
wehhh fuck
hexed citrus
you can make a copy of the saves
feral hill
i don't wanna reinstall koikatsu
hexed citrus
but the games will need a reinstall
quartz atlas
Don't you have cloud save if you use steam?
hexed citrus
you and ur lood games 
quartz atlas
Oh
hexed citrus
ye fesh u can get koikatsu from other places than steam and the high seas
quartz atlas
What I do is just clone my drives periodically off to external drives
So if the drive in my computer fails
I just swap it in
hexed citrus
this mans hasn't heard of incremental backups
quartz atlas
Nah, my way is simpler
feral hill
guess getting an external would be a good idea, they're expensive af tho maybe i can try cloud storage
quartz atlas
Takes like 2mins anyway
hexed citrus
ur way is expensive
feral hill
btw the pc was $1500aud, dunno if that's good budget
quartz atlas
It's decent 
hexed citrus
guess getting an external would be a good idea, they're expensive af tho <a:pens...
cloud storage you can go with onedrive or backblaze
quartz atlas
My current pc is less than that, but it will jump up to $4kaud soon
Fking gpu prices
hexed citrus
I get fresh brand new nvme drives for free
yeah most people have to pay for it
hexed citrus
guess i should act fast then?
that's fesh being pepega and buying top end cards
feral hill
cloud storage you can go with onedrive or backblaze
never heard of backblaze, but onedrive you need to pay for giga storage no?
hexed citrus
which he won't use to their fullest potential
quartz atlas
guess i should act fast then?
Nah, it's jumping up cuz I'm getting the most expensive GeForce gpu there is soon
quartz atlas
Whenever Samsung display gets their ass moving on those curved qd-oled panels
hexed citrus
curved screens are overrated
quartz atlas
I love them
hexed citrus
qd-oled is good stuff
hexed citrus
yeah and what games do you play that properly scare across a UW
quartz atlas
Nth but genshin rn
quartz atlas
Cuz I don't have a fking gpu lmao
quartz atlas
Flight sim, rdr, cyberpunk, etc etc
hexed citrus
quartz atlas
Flight sim gonna hit the hardest tho
quartz atlas
Flight sim gonna get rtx soon 
quartz atlas
unless ur one of those posers that flies 3rd person
I am yes
feral hill
https://yamato.azurlane.moe/media/whciy.png
so what i should do is make 20 accounts to hold all of my sin
quartz atlas
I just like to look at planes smh
feral hill
hexed citrus
get out
quartz atlas
hexed citrus
so what i should do is make 20 accounts to hold all of my sin
1 TB aint enough?
feral hill
1tb is too expensive
quartz atlas
20 free accounts she means
hexed citrus
feral hill
hexed citrus
I have a specific script that toggles nvidia surround on for when I play flight sims
or elite dangerous
quartz atlas
I was gonna get a flight stick, throttles, rudders and shit
mental coyote
Nice setup
hexed citrus
else they're just 3 dumb monitors
hexed citrus
1tb is too expensive
you don't have to buy it yearly
you can get it for like 2 months to temporarily hold your stuff
then once it's moved onto the new pc delete it from the cloud and cancel the sub
feral hill
quartz atlas
If you don't mind hard drives, could get an external one
To back up your shit
And store shit
feral hill
been tempted, already running out of space on my current pc with like 7 games
wintry forge
how little storage do you have sheesh
feral hill
my dead laptop has more space, i just wanna magically rip out the hard drive in it and smoosh it into my pc
1tb
hexed citrus
or unplug them while they're writing or reading
feral hill
hexed citrus
weak
wintry forge
you can use a laptop hdd on your computer
quartz atlas
My one piece folder is like
hexed citrus
my koikatsu folder is approaching 700 gigs
feral hill
what the fuck and what the fuck ii
feral hill
you can use a laptop hdd on your computer
i can? it's like completely ded, doesn't turn on 
wintry forge
depends on what's dead
quartz atlas
You can yes
hexed citrus
you can but you run the risk of it dying at any moment
wintry forge
if the hdd is dead then no can do
quartz atlas
Laptop things
feral hill
the koikatsu and CM3D2 folders
see so you're a bigger degen than me, can't make fun of me anymore
hexed citrus
always have been
feral hill
my laptop's hdd is 2tb iirc
hexed citrus
there's yet a degen in the staff team that can topple me, let alone syand
quartz atlas
Sounds like a hard drive
feral hill
hexed citrus
quartz atlas
Show off
hexed citrus
I am a data hoarder yes
wintry forge
wintry forge
I think I need to uninstall some stuff
inland marsh
my laptop's hdd is 2tb iirc
that's quite fancy tbh, unironically 
wintry forge
I prefer keeping everything to absolute minimum
quartz atlas
It's def a hdd
wintry forge
definitely an hdd
hexed citrus
what u see there is 3% of my total storage
feral hill
if there's a way to get it out of it and use it i'll be pogging to the high heavens
inland marsh
yeah, not many have 2TB HDD out of the box tho, esp 7mm one
hexed citrus
if there's a way to get it out of it and use it i'll be pogging to the high heav...
you can but it involves taking apart the laptop
wintry forge
the question is, are you going to be returning the prebuilt
quartz atlas
I'd wager there's 2 drives in it
feral hill
the screws are stripped, nvm
inland marsh
often it's just opening up the back cover, not really taking apart
feral hill
well i do want to, but if i do i'll have to figure out what i'll be getting instead beforehand
hexed citrus
often it's just opening up the back cover, not really taking apart
yeah if you live in 2005
quartz atlas
Too bad you're a flight away. If not I'd just ask u to send it to me
wintry forge
storage/ram/battery should be accesible if you're not a shitty company