pvp

[worn perch]

[abstract cypress]

[candid sluice]

not even a rainbow can push them into meta cope cope

[worn perch]

Is it worth using duca/aquila without vv?

Flashback missing nagato

[candid sluice]

yea it fine

preload good

[worn perch]

What would be good replacement for vv slot? i already got nj457 and aquila

Try to get some meta going here

Dont have shima for the front tho

[abstract cypress]

The answer is above

[worn perch]

Whats above?

[silent yew]

is there a notification bot for pvp matches? i

[oblique silo]

NJ Veneto Aquila Anchorage Shimakaze Duca

[sour oasis]

Not this server, try ALM

[silent yew]

ALM ?

oh. azur lane meta. hmmmm i guess i'll just join it for the bot

[candid sluice]

Giselle bot does the pings for pvp resets

Just join a server that has it

[trail temple]

Or make your own server and invite Giselle bot to it

[waxen lion]

or use an alarm clock like a normal human

[crude mortar]

this guy qualified the basic condition to be an agent

[mortal monolith]

Hi

My pvp fleet what you think about it ?

[crude mortar]

no noshiro

free point

https://tenor.com/view/inugami-korone-tsunomaki-watame-watame-horn-drill-gif-19027722

[mortal monolith]

Have her 125 with Ring the point is really worth it to uses her on the team

[crude mortar]

goal keeper of 2022

[mortal monolith]

Sorry what ?

[crude mortar]

run noshiro duca shimakaze

one torp hit their backline

you have manju nj

= enemy auto reset

[mortal monolith]

Ok 👌 thanks for your help

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-where-the-fun-begins-star-wars-fun-begins-this-is-where-this-is-gif-20519545

even they win you vg trade their vg die to sidegun anyway

their main lower hp than yours

you auto win

if they use manju anchorage you also auto win

you need max +13gear to make this fleet work

if enemy had good gear they still going to reset againts you 3 out of 10

if they had shitty gear or manju anchorage they going to reset like 5-7 out of 10

they still can win you in the end but you already inflicting some stranger with mental damage

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

[mortal monolith]

So pot noshiro with +13 gare ?

[crude mortar]

the gear build is trade secret

go figured out yourself

i already hint so much

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-honkai-impact3-ely-wiggl-wigg-gif-23831807

[mortal monolith]

Thanks King
https://c.tenor.com/2GrzB2xxAoAAAAAM/machoman-macho.gif

[candid sluice]

anchorag yorkbr

[worn perch]

Wait what is noshiro role in vg?

Who u usually run her with?

I kinda have her pvp ready but not sure in this meta what is her best buddies

[worn perch]

Oh i already see it oppsie

kinda traumatized seeing shima just slash 80% of my vanguard hp in 1-2 hits

[sour oasis]

Wait until you see her KO two of your backline ships in 10s.

[worn perch]

[cursive surge]

Shimakaze too strong

[untold crater]

Holy

I just read all of that

Brainwashing is real

[light crystal]

Paid Actors.

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gif-15293622

[calm mica]

Do they serve copium here?

[candid sluice]

in large amounts yes

[sour oasis]

"All of PvP is a stage.."

[trail temple]

[stable dawn]

AL is a gateway drug to prison

[naive dome]

CP = Control Panel

[sour oasis]

Control panels. Everywhere.

[safe zodiac]

How do you beat this

[worn perch]

They cant see your backline

[oblique silo]

A triple CV fleet or a mafia fleet

[candid sluice]

consider carriers and shimakaze

[abstract cypress]

Use NJ than bisco for in full kms backline smh

[sour oasis]

With patience, skill, and superior firepower.

[safe zodiac]

Absolutely tears through mafia

[zenith kestrel]

what should I use in atk fleet please?

[trail temple]

I smell skills issue

[light crystal]

Clearly a non-user of the Manjuu NJ creed

[sour oasis]

If you're short-shipped (and lack plates), you're going to have to mix things up depending on what kind of defense fleets you see. And be more selective about who you fight.

[dry socket]

coming back to al with old ijn completely kicked out

[light crystal]

U can still use IJN's

But at the bare minimum u'd want NJ, and Anchorage or Juneau mixed in as well

So... Shinano/NJ + FDG/Hiryuu. And for VG, mix of Anchorage, Azuma, Juneau, or Yukikaze.

[dry socket]

i came back after the nj event

mad regrets rn

sitting dead w shinano amagi nagato

[sour oasis]

Not even Shima or Suzu?

[trail temple]

Prepare your butt bro, because pvp is gonna be painful

[dry socket]

i quit right after shinano banner

heard there hasn't been any ur reruns before either

hoping pvp won't be too bad

[light crystal]

Ditch Amagi, just run Nagato Hiryuu and Shinano then

Just make sure both have a Wyvern each, and as long as ur using something like Juneau/Noshiro/YKKZ, u should get by

Eventually u'd want to get Anchorage going

[candid sluice]

Equip tenrai

[sour oasis]

Was just going to add what about Tenrais

[sour oasis]

It's only ever really bad in Avrora.
You can probably get selective with Suzutsuki and Seattle. Survive the initial burst, get lucky with some slows, maybe even 3x BB and snipe the enemy backline.
Anchorage mirror matches give me PTSD to Enterprise owarida-offs.

[quartz drum]

hlo

u have ss top 10 pvp?

[candid sluice]

duoenvy probs does go ask him

[late heath]

plot twist, salty been taking secret screenshot of you all along

[candid sluice]

shhh dont tell them that

[trail temple]

Naughty

[dull hollow]

so im most definitely late to this party

but im mad so im gonna talk about it anyway

why the fuck is it armor mod instead of damage mod

that's actually so awful

fk u yostar

guess no HE for her

ever

unless we get 457 HE parity

[still minnow]

do the pvp damage modifiers apply to AA damage?

also aircraft interception damage, and aircraft crash damage

[light crystal]

Planes get a straight 4x increase to HP. Other than that, nothing else changes for AA iirc

[oblique silo]

That buff applies to her barrage and secondary gun as well

It’s not that bad

[dull hollow]

yes that gets covered by "ship's damage"

it's a huge loss compared to if it were dmg%

if it dmg % without other team buffs it's almost 30% buff to her damage

but since it's down to armor mod, which is already diluted, it means it's even worse than 15% usually

[abstract cypress]

Look how they massacred ma gurl

[lime folio]

rolled over 2 mafias with this, just fucking around with new ships

maybe its just the gear but it was ufn using something new

[light crystal]

It just NJ carrying your ass, with support from Shima and Anchorage.

[candid sluice]

Ogga bogga nj

[sour oasis]

How is Haku? I still haven't bothered to build her yet. On defense, I notice she tanks like Taihou.

[calm mica]

Had to reset twice against a uvh team recently. Can't tell if skill issue or she's actually good

[untold crater]

Who tf u resetting against

[late heath]

me

[lime folio]

Wow NJ is good who would've thought

[lime folio]

top tier esp with the new dive bomber

[trail temple]

According to one PvPer, NJ is only tier 1

[worn perch]

I think she is alright without Aquila spotting enemies for her

[sour oasis]

Yeah, but what does she do compared to Shinano or Aquila or Hiryu. She just sounds like a stat stick.

(Sometimes that's usually enough I suppose)

[thin sparrow]

[quartz drum]

[worn perch]

Without shima does noshiro have much value left?

[sour oasis]

Eats torpedoes from everyone else nicely

[light crystal]

[lime folio]

maybe hes just new dont bully

[light crystal]

[sour oasis]

What's the point of PvP but bullying?

It's not like people still want to use the power of teamwork friendship to do anything

[light crystal]

To make it "easier" for ppl to get their free 15 battles a day to level with ofc

[stable dawn]

To farm merit in case they one day add gold plates to the merit shop

[light crystal]

This also aged well

Why indeed is NJ good.

To be fair, the addition of Anchorage also helped made the VG tankier against Airstrikes later on as well, but by that time NJ was already meta.

[worn perch]

nj can off-center right?

thinking off build fdg up

so hope she could off-set for the lack off the VV

[light crystal]

Yes, she can. The V shaped Volley will always come from the middle, and the orbital shelling will come from her current position and hit target w/e

[worn perch]

lit

[light crystal]

https://streamable.com/1hebpx

[worn perch]

but i dont think the barrage that reliable

i saw enemy nj hit that barrage at my van all the time and the van just dodge it

hit hard tho ngl

[light crystal]

It is 8/10 of the time, given how often she MVP's over say AQL or Shima

Ideally u want her to hit and kill the Backline over the VG anyway. Higher threat DPS

[worn perch]

true got that nj vs my nagato solo today

half hp i saw that barrage and nah reset reset

[untold crater]

Nagato user in 2022

Gotta respect the die hards

[worn perch]

gotta feel bad going back to the game after a year and miss out bunch of pvp meta ships while im mainly pvp

its still works tho, the nagato

but during rush hour its garbage sadge

[untold crater]

Trooper

[dapper stone]

Gneisenau Meta any good for pvp?

[oblique silo]

No

[dapper stone]

Do you restart the game before every attack to refresh rank? Is it enough to log out/log in? Was thinking just having 2 devices and toggling between them

[light crystal]

Just relog lol

[green trail]

warspite and enterprise both is good for excerising right?

[candid sluice]

back in 2019 maybe

[green trail]

lol

[dry socket]

i'm w you bro

enty and nagato procs are saving me from t1k

[worn perch]

what is anchorage load out in pvp ?

i saw some equip her with a purple torpedo

[late heath]

Depend on what you looking to avoid, adjust her torpedo to match with your desired torpedo launch time

[light crystal]

I just use triple mag torp (purple) and call it a day

Also, I use Manjuu and Rudder for Aux, STAAG for AA, and Drakegun for main gun

[sour oasis]

UvH. . . Better or worse in PvP compared to FdG with just +15 luck?

[tacit fulcrum]

Uvh isn't supposed to be top tier pvp ship. Even fdg isn't but with iron blood fleet may

[sour oasis]

FdG is bad for PvP, but for KMS memes FdG is capable of taking a few punches and punching back. I was more curious if UvH will work better to replace FdG in that situation (or if she can work alongside her fellow UR).

[trail trench]

Probably better? UvH can do more damage to VGs I'd think. I mean if you don't have NJ or VV they'd probably do fun for offense if you don't mind resets

[ionic hill]

spam number 9 symphonics

[calm mica]

Is Charybdis meta guys?

[ionic hill]

no

dido-class = AA focus

[candid sluice]

new meta

[dull hollow]

she swirl tho

[quartz swift]

ulrich meta or naw

[ancient skiff]

Ulrich is meta?

[light crystal]

Memeta?

[quartz swift]

pain

[dapper stone]

What do I give Hiryuu? BF109, Wyvern + X?

[light crystal]

Probably Hornet/Tenrai/Wyvern

[abstract cypress]

Ulritch would be meta if pvp dmg reduction aint a bitch

[dull hollow]

does it stack additively with her kit thing

[solid scroll]

If it's the 45% damage reduction you're talking about yes

[abstract cypress]

Idk how exactly it count but pvp vs pve dmg say it

Also theres freakin other fleet skill for pve, u might as well put her on flag and become another fdg

[crude mortar]

omg ulrich in pvp

[untold crater]

bristol meta because lantern op

[calm mica]

Maybe meta for W14

[sour oasis]

When will UR AA be a thing

[ionic hill]

sandy?

[calm mica]

They'll release a UR fighter before UR AA because game balance

[tacit fulcrum]

i need to explain why i didn't get AotN if i won all exercises in this season???

i have best pvp fleet and best pvp gear if possible and what? Bullshit

next 2,5k merit lost

[light crystal]

U rushed too much, maybe?

Needed a couple more 35's 🤷‍♂️

[calm mica]

Yeah, should sandbag at least a little. I'm at same score but 10/10 same server

Next reset you could maybe get it though

[abstract cypress]

Someone pvp for merits

Using meta

Cant get aotn

[ionic hill]

[trail temple]

That's the best pvp fleet?

You almost had me there

Good joke

[sour oasis]

You sure you did every last one and didn't miss any? Also save three or four or even five to do just as the next set updates on day 13 of the season so you can edge into the top 10.

defense fleet does nothing except flex

[tacit fulcrum]

I did't skip and even lose any exercise at that season

My winrate was 100%

[late heath]

you actually have to sandbag

[trail temple]

He's 50 below base

Roughly

That's not just rushing and not getting bonuses, that's just leaking points

He's effectively lost 5 games

[tacit fulcrum]

What is sandbaging?

Xd

And i think about archorage. I oathed her raised to 124 lvl but still she is at dev16

[trail temple]

Thankfully, there are guides for pvp

on YouTube

[flat veldt]

[trail temple]

I would tag Quyet for memes but I don't think he's here anymore

[cinder wolf]

quyet guy was here?

[trail temple]

I am pretty sure he was at one stage

Then he realised how much people shit on him so he rage quit discord

Something like that

[candid sluice]

He only hangs on in his echo chamber on youtube

[sour oasis]

You don't have to sandbag/drag. I don't ||not on purpose at least||. But to get the last bonus, I do have to rush during the changeover/update on day 12 or 13.

[sour oasis]

How often do you check PvP? Has to be at least twice a day to make sure you didn't miss; missed exercises don't affect win rate.

[tacit fulcrum]

everytime i checked and i can swear to you i didn't miss any exercise

[light crystal]

U dont need to sandbag too much either, but rushing every set s soon as they're up is also not too good. Try to strike a casual balance

[candid sluice]

Did u perhaps attack not your leftmost opponent

That could explain it

[dry socket]

ayaya still lucknuking the flagship has a spot in my heart

[sour oasis]

Wait. Wait. What are you trying to do again? Get AotN or get AotN on the end of day 14? Those are two very different things (the latter made up by players for bragging purposes).
AotN can be gotten as early as day 12 set 2 (requires some planning).
Most players try to rush for it day 12 set 3 or day 13 set 1 or set 2 -- which means camping PvP and playing all your tickets immediately when you get a new 5. (This period is simply known as AotN rush or Gensui rush) The screen capture you have shows you're down to 0/10 in the middle of day 14-set 1.

[sour oasis]

They're actually ~40 above pure rushing at that point (day 14 set 1 at 0/10 without bonuses is ~2400)

[trail temple]

I took him at 0/10 on the last set

[flint python]

missile good?

[light crystal]

In PvE.

[candid sluice]

Missile new meta

[spring verge]

Someone in #gameplay-help said that you get a total of 15 exercises daily (5 exercises, three times a day), may I know at what intervals do I get them?

[abstract cypress]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Exercise

[sharp snow]

What's the evaluation of ddg main fleet in pvp?

I tried it and it seems like their evade is so high they don't get revealed by preload airstrikes?

[worldly cape]

Wait, they have stealth mechanics?

[light crystal]

They do

[trail temple]

You get them at 2300, 1100 and 1700 (PST times) each day

So we just received our last 5 6 minutes ago with the new coming in just under 6 hours

[rich escarp]

Gets crushed by a team he thought he could handle

THAT'S JUST ME SANDBAGGING, THAT'S A GOOD STRAT, RIGHT?

[calm mica]

Sounds like some skill issues

[light crystal]

They were still alive 12s after those screenshots, and they were only lv 117~...

[worldly cape]

So I guess they are a bit meta against triple BB?

[solid cairn]

Is Chang Chun & An Shan retro recommended for PvP?

I mean, they got a low hp on backline

Few planes would do it

[fringe turtle]

Idk, i haven't tested them.. but just knowing that the meta has 1 aquila or 1 chise or 1 preload airstrike.... Is a fact that the hidden mechanic will be neutralized, and maybe they will get sunk before they can even lunch their missiles. When the enemy BBs fire at them.

[light crystal]

Didn't you see my screenshots? Their Stealth is hard to take away. And I suspect that they have close to 4k base HP, and perhaps up to 45% DR + 5% eva rate, on top of high Eva (250+). So they're potentially really tanky.

[fringe turtle]

Hmmm 🤔 interesting. No i haven't check your screen shot. Mine still being low level

I'll test them in the future.

Very interesting how they were the last 2 at the end.

What about their damage?. Good aiming?. I haven't found anyone using them yet. Maybe in the next season.

[light crystal]

When they get put on Backline, their HP increases close to 4k, and they take 20% less dmg. Add to that 25% additional DR for being DDG's and this 5% Eva Rate + While having 4k~ HP and 250~ Eva stat + Enhanced Stealth...

[fringe turtle]

Das, now i do really want to taste those DDGs with my fleet x.x

A little bite to their performance will be enough.

[light crystal]

So in a nutshell, they're probably really tough to kill while they're on the backline. The problem then becomes utility and DPS. Would need to test that.

[fringe turtle]

Yhea, i do really want to try them, but mines still being level 100, not strong enough. And their equipment sucks too. IMO they won't be a good back line. Cuz usually you want to have 2 things to do damage and 1 to discover everything.

Make us change the Meta will be really hard. I feel that NJ + VV + aquila / Anchorage + shimakaze + jintsuu will be a meta for a loooong time.

[trail temple]

Jintsuu
Meta

[calm mica]

I get that Luigi's name is pretty long, but Jintsuu is one word that isn't part of it

[elder dust]

question, what makes it so that an italian lineup absolutely WRECKS? My main lineup is naga/hiryuu/shinano and ank/shima/azuma. Wins most battles but sometimes enemy italian lineups do SO much damage. I've tried it myself, with duca in the front line to enable it as well, but I've never gotten it to nuke a backline like I've had happen to me from some people (all are oathed, some hurt, some dont)--what's the difference that makes the damage?

Like, sometimes their first volley is enough to straight up KO naga and do 50% of shino's health even if my front line is seperated. For other folks with a similar oathed lineup, tickles.

ive tried it myself (VV, aqi oathed, all + duca 125) and have never gotten an immediate KO like that, with mostly +13 gear.

[oblique silo]

Mafia hits super hard and before other fleets can do any damage. NJ and Shimakaze are just op. Those fleets you fought likely had optimized gear as well

[sour oasis]

This is what a refresh (or being choosy who you fight) is an option. (Especially if you just want the 2.5k merit award for hitting AotN however temporarily -- rushing into easy fights as soon as the reset/ticket re-up happens is the only reason to build up your score.)

[calm mica]

It's likely the gear lineup. People copy ships because they can easily see them, but good gear doesn't come around easily. Both the right equip in the first place and the 120 plates on each piece of equipment required

Seriously, I see everyone and their grandma using HE guns in the Gneisenau meta fight. People don't know what to use for what

[ionic hill]

smh my head

[heavy seal]

What is better auxiliary gun for BB - Neptune gun or Chapayev gun?

I assume Neptune coz penetration gimmick?

[worn perch]

Seattle/chapayev guns to slap he dps to the vanguard, there is nothing to pen with neptune

[sour oasis]

Do players really optimize for the meta fights?

[light crystal]

I'm a non-Helena enjoyer that does 1.1m on average on Meta

[dapper stone]

if I only make 50 points every reset I am not beating the curve, right?

[calm mica]

All of IJN handles meta fight and the rest of opsi really well

So I do

Fully optimized for pvp and meta all at once. Just swap around Shima's preset equips and the tenrai

[blazing crescent]

I can't wait to unequip the ASW gear from Shima once this Meta fight is over

[calm mica]

You can throw that thing on Helena or Kazagumo or whoever your 3rd is

[worldly cape]

So seems like they want to change the PvP buff for main fleet DDG to be a -20% dmg and -5% eva rate

[light crystal]

Huh? Pretty sure it was like that already? 🤔

Unless you're talking about a nerf

[worldly cape]

Seems like it, glanced upon a Weibo post screencap in 4chan and seems like the CN server is angry

[light crystal]

Because right now, the backline buff they get of taking -20% less dmg stacks on top of the -20% they also get in PvP for the class

Hmmm. I don't see it as an issue atm anyway. It's not like they seemed OP by being good at tanking DMG, cuz they lack utility and DPS. I was planning to test tho, but didn't have my hopes up

[worldly cape]

I think the reason of the uproar might be because it's another 20% on top of that, we'll have to wait to see if it's real as it's just a rumor currently

[light crystal]

Wait, so they're buffing them? I don't get it

[worldly cape]

Neither I, it's chaotic

[light crystal]

Like they're already tankey. Yu could maybe do something memey with it, but it wouldn't be practical cuz they just lack the DPS, nor would they help the team in a meaningful way, other than maybe sucking up some torps to the face for no dmg.

[worldly cape]

Here's the screencap in question

[sour oasis]

... Just because you can though?
I am a non-Helena user who enjoys faster 350k matches

[light crystal]

So say you were to take away their tankiness, they would become even less memey and useless. But say you were to increase their tankiness, they could gain a bit more of a meme potential on top. Either way it wouldn't help them fundamentally at being more effective in PvP, cuz again, they lack DPS and utility.

[worldly cape]

And even if they became a meme, they won't come close to NJ

As she's right now the cornerstone of PvP

[sour oasis]

Forgot to mention, the defender starts closer to your attacking fleet; while they technically don't have an offensive bonus like you the attacker have, the close start ensures their torpedoes cluster along with their salvo (whereas yours has to cover twice the distance, will likely be spread out, and lag behind your salvo)

[dapper stone]

I just beat the No. 1 on the ladder but only got 9 points, should I have restarted the game in between?

Or refreshed opponents?

[dull hollow]

i miss the old Ryuusei firing AI

which made this positioning grossly silly

way back in the day

like level 100 nagaka levels

ryuusei drop distance was static

more or less

it just happened to be that the drop distance was directly where enemy fleets could be

so you would just randomly delete fronts

if you ran full ryuuseis

with no chance to miss

coz the torps spawned on top of the enemy

ofc as per ryuusei it was always a gamble

but it was a funnier to gamble to watch

back then ryuusei would also prioritize backline

if enemy fronts were too out of position

so you could remove 1 or even 2 ships early game

[sour oasis]

Yes. Possibly yes. Maybe yes.
Were you sure they were #1 on the ladder and you weren't ahead of them

[dapper stone]

Might be, I played all my attempts

but I thought if it's a new opponent after I beat one the score is correct

Just restarted app, they are still no.1

weird

[empty owl]

Um what would be the best to get as a PVP equipment

[trail temple]

Probably the firecrest if you don't have your own wyvern

[candid sluice]

teatorps

[calm mica]

Skypirate is also nice

If you plan on getting one ever, I'd suggest that most since it saves 800 core data and the others at best save a week's worth of electronics

What I'm getting at is while teatorps is technically the best answer, they're very easily craftable in gear lab since nothing else too important takes those materials. Firecrest is nice to save electronics but without the 9 rainbow airplane blueprints you're sort of just sitting around for up to 3 months to get that last upgrade.

[naive dome]

you can check the ladder for their actual score and rank (it updates upon opening without relogging) to make sure they're at least 35 points ahead of you

[dapper stone]

oh wait at least 35 points? might not have been

[sour oasis]

That's if they wanted 11 points. They got 9. Which means somehow they were ranked ahead of the rank 1 player they were fighting.

[sour oasis]

Getting 9 points means you fought someone at a rank below you (even if they have the same score I think). Fighting anyone at a higher rank is guaranteed to give you at least 10 points upon victory.

[dapper stone]

If there is nobody 35 points ahead of me, do I just save my attempts and wait?

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

You got the gist now

[candid sluice]

Mans just figured out what sandbagging is

[trail temple]

Don't sacrifice your sleep for extra points, just sleep

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-weak-wimp-weak-sauce-weak-cant-handle-it-gif-13750035

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/pot-kettle-hello-the-hypocrisy-zone-gif-14537828

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749898857567223848/940912754674515978/average_pvp.mp4

[lime folio]

always sandbag no matter what

[trail temple]

I hope you're saying that and you still have exercises left

[candid sluice]

at least 5/10 i hope

[trail temple]

Nah he wouldn't have been

If the current 1st place player was in this position, they would be 3/10

[crude mortar]

what 5/10

go 0/10 every reset

and rush 5 on 3rd aotn

ez merit

[trail temple]

[cinder needle]

So +1 points for 35 ranks higher is the max score you can get per battle right?

there's no +2 points for 70 ranks and so forth?

[hot creek]

there is for 70. sometimes it takes 71 though.

[echo dew]

Wow, TIL some good knowledge

I have always assume the 300 rule of mine

"If your opponent is 300 rank above, you will get bonus point"

Not work quite well in top 200 and above...

[light crystal]

Hmmm. Very tankey, if nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1dvzsUn2-0

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/942724533222248458/ss.JPG

[trail temple]

Yeah it's not your rank difference that determines whether you bonus, it's your rank score difference

[fading wing]

what am I supposed to do if my first refresh opponents dont actually play?

[candid sluice]

refresh again

[blazing crescent]

okay so I didn't play pvp for many seasons and don't really know the meta at all..

Does this look alright? Gear is the same as for pve

Also does this sandbagging mean wait as long as possible before doing pvp?

Also I'm from Sandy server

doesn't really matter but maybe someone here doesn't want to help his opponents

[candid sluice]

first off pvp gearing is vastly different from pve gears so u might have to tweak things there

and sandbagging is waiting for your opponents to do their tickets before doing yours for bonus points

[blazing crescent]

alright thank you

[lime folio]

Yeah and sometimes u have bad rng and they don't do their tickets

like me I got jinxed this start of the season

[calm mica]

There's 2 styles of sandbagging. You can either relog your game frequently or less frequently. Near the start of the season you'd do it pretty frequent to find rushers that use all their exercises early.

If you're not going for rank 1 but just AotN after the first 2 or 3 days you can change over to just doing all 5 an hour or half hour before reset

[dapper stone]

shortly before reset is good because most people played their tickets by then?

but once I beat someone and get a new opponent, they might have vastly higher rank anymore right

[calm mica]

Yeah, it means you're very likely getting an extra point from your leftmost and then the rest of your leftmost will not lose you a point

So after 1050 is achieved it's +51 per reset almost every time

[blazing crescent]

3 days ago I tried pvp with this fleet and pve gear, lost my first battle and all motivation for this season

[fringe turtle]

"Pause and leave", sometimes is better do a tactical retreat than lose... (You don't lose excercises when you leave a fight)...
If your left most opponent is too OP, look for the next to him..

This season looks good to me. 1045 and i still have 8 excercises. Hope to see strong people, i want to try my pvp equipment and setup.

[tacit fulcrum]

I lost exercise and aotn is over to me

[crude mortar]

[fringe turtle]

How many excercises?.

I missed 5 excercises in the last season. But i still was bale to get aotn.

But you will have to rush!.

[trail temple]

I am astonished you lost your first battle this season, mostly because you run into so many low levels and jank... UvH isn't great in pvp, her guns do little damage such that she can only set things on fire and that's her main contribution to damage. If you can't use Veneto then maybe try Richie?

[sour oasis]

Your sleep schedule timezone is really the only thing holding you. If that screen cap was your average score, you have enough points that you could suffer four or five losses and still get AotN if you rush to 0 tickets right when new ones come in any re-up after day 12 set 3.

[dapper stone]

goddamnit I lost another one because I didnt realize final counter was triggered at 50% hp already

[tacit fulcrum]

i actually using sandbanging method

and get aotn ez last season

but yesterday i lost one fight 😦

it can be catastrophe

[candid sluice]

guys is kronshtadt good in pvp???/

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-approves-pedrorc-pedroredcerberus-yes-agree-gif-11599348

[candid sluice]

triple bb new meta??

[trail temple]

Just make sure 2 of the BBs are Russian

[sour oasis]

Hiryu Final Counter triggers just as she takes fatal damage; if she's being plinked by tiny DD guns, it'll trigger when she's at low HP; if she's taking six torpedoes to the face, she's going to start Final Counter way earlier (since one critical torpedo can be 12k)

[dry socket]

where'd you get this

[light crystal]

He might've meant "CB", as in Large Cruiser, of which Kronshtadt will be part of, along with Azuma and Agir.

[candid sluice]

yes three cb new meta

[wary hound]

Would Enty-Essex-Indy/Ancho-Birmingham-Balti be a better comp than i have now? Currently using a mix of
Warspite - UvH/Monarch/Chise - Enterprise
Anchorage (D21) - Juneau - Noshiro
Agir (D15) - Ayanami - Noshiro
I have a list of ships for other comps but I dont want to wall of text, but in general i missed 2 years from Hololive/Swirling Cherry Blossoms to Gridman so no super meta like NJ, Shima, pasta etc, also 31 prints from FDG D30 then working on PR4 agir/haku, and only 1 wyvern

[trail temple]

You probably want Juneau still instead of Baltimore for pvp

[ionic hill]

Anchorage (D21) - Juneau - Noshiro
this is the best frontline out of all you listed

[dapper stone]

Running Hiryu richy WS anchor shima yuudachi atm, any ideas for optimization? Never quite manage aotn

Sometimes juneau shima anchor

[dapper patio]

[calm mica]

You can switch WS with Chise if your planes are better than your guns atm but that team's already good. Judging by your dock space though, the biggest thing you can do is get good pvp gear to +13

That and wait to replace WS with NJ

[dapper stone]

Yeah dont have Nj or any pasta 😦

Have champy guns and planes at 13 no rainbow bb guns tho

Also is Juneau Shima Anchorage the correct order?

What planes for Chise? I have rocket planes and wyverns and most gold planes I think

[light crystal]

For PvP? Always Wyvern

So Tenrai and Wyvern, and for fighters probably Hornets.

[calm mica]

Fighter isn't too big of a difference. Pirate is good enough and you'd get to spend electronics on other things like STAAG crafting. It also loads slightly faster

[ionic hill]

black shell or white shell?

[calm mica]

The most important thing would be having your 2nd airstrike. If you get revealed you want Hiryuu getting hit not Chise

Always white for the accuracy

[candid sluice]

white shell good

[trail temple]

Apparently we don't know what white shell does

[keen silo]

to quote quyet

[rocky shadow]

How beat this fleet? The first preload almost kill my vg and backline

Maybe it look weak but actually op fleet

[tall nimbus]

[ancient skiff]

If you call that op then your vg is not good

[keen silo]

dronshi god

[fringe turtle]

The problem is not your opponent fleet, is your fleet. For preloads you just need Anchorage to stop them. If not Anchorage then Juneau with the manjuu thing or yukikaze with the washing machine and pearl tears. the last two are just a non meta option....

The true OP vanguards are:

Anchorage + Duca + Jintsuu

Anchorage + shimakaze + duca

Anchorage + Duca + Juneau

Anchorage + shimakaze + juneau

IMO those are the cancer Vanguards. (Of course the Duca ones need VV in the back).

[calm mica]

It's 2022 and people are losing to perseus

[tacit fulcrum]

i lost second exercise this season

NJ mafia is again unplayable fleet

[dapper patio]

if you ever see this build with complete equipments, good luck then lol...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/944611665238966423/Screenshot_2022-02-19-23-08-30-446_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.jpg

[ionic hill]

noshiro > jintsuu

[fringe turtle]

Really?, I never had problems against noshiro + Duca, Duca + Jintsuu can almost sink an NJ with 1 hit. That's why.. Auch.. still, mostly of the top players don't use that fleet. They prefer Anchorage + shimakaze + Duca.

I use Anchorage + shimakaze + Juneau, IMO the healing is better.

[fringe turtle]

Hmm. Your problem is not the vanguard.... Is the main...

Of course.. your equipment is important too.

[ionic hill]

jintsuu has no hp, noshiro has better defensive stats and skills to go along with torp boosting

[fringe turtle]

Change your hiryuu, you have a good main with NJ + SHINANO, hiryuu is good but no for your setup, IMO use aquila or chise. Your problem is that you main can't fire their back line faster enough, you need preloads. Also, remember that in pvp FR is the most important thing. Try to reduce your reload times in shinano 1 beacon in NJ 1 high performance fire control radar.

[fringe turtle]

Hmm 🤔 looks cool, but in the action i saw that noshiro fleets are not that dangerous. You usually want to sink ships as soon as possible that's why jintsuu buff on criticals are better than noshiro. But as i said. I haven't meet an nishiro fleet that can survive enough. Jintsuu ones were a pain on the neck until i got Anchorage to dev 25.

[ionic hill]

you realllllllllllllllyyyyyyy like jintsuu i see

[fringe turtle]

Yup, but I noticed that at the end.. shimakaze rules XD.

This is my actual setup.

[dapper patio]

you are misunderstanding lol..
i mean, if you ever see this build in pvp with a complete equipments, good luck lol

VV and fast plane cant kill me

[tall nimbus]

[candid sluice]

[keen silo]

maybe because when you fight people on offense they have 20% reduced damage

[dapper patio]

that's my defensive build, my guildmate complaint to me last time when he encounter me

i swap hiryuu to flagship when on offensive

[tall nimbus]

someone retired used to use that fleet

was an issue before but not anymore when they added level 125 and shimakaze

[keen silo]

weeb fleet not hard to beat anymore

[tall nimbus]

retired

[oblique silo]

Replace Shinano and Hiryuu with Aquila and Veneto and it’s much better

[keen silo]

mafia

[dapper patio]

that's a past for me, i had tried before

with a proper build of anchorage, the spaghetti build can't really mess with me

[tall nimbus]

i just build crash damage and backline sniping focus

anchorage shima juneau vanguard i sleep

[keen silo]

^ if you kill backline its easier to deal with anchorage

can jus skip her entirely

[tall nimbus]

also if i know the enemy isn't using preload, there's no need for anchorage

i just slap in juneau instead

welp that's my team already anyway so no need to switch

[dapper patio]

as soon as my mates still had a complaint to me, there is no need to change lol

[tall nimbus]

they need to get gud

[dapper patio]

anti pvp lvling lol

[trail temple]

Tell us more about these "proper equips"

[dapper patio]

[trail temple]

I want to test the fleet out

[dapper patio]

if goes offensive, hiryu swap with shinano

this may burn lots of resources

[keen silo]

copied off cn wiki?

[dapper stone]

Is it normal to put elite dmg control on anchorage? Thought it goes on Juneau

[dapper patio]

yeah, why?

[keen silo]

quyet

[dapper patio]

quyet mean?

[dapper patio]

i am using this, so far any preload planes and spaghetti not harmful to me

[candid sluice]

Had to work with the ships I had

[tall nimbus]

[dapper stone]

why gasoline and not just oil tank?

[dapper patio]

gasoline boost plane movement and hp

the formation is for defend, if attack mode, swap hiryu to flagship

[dapper stone]

I see

pvp auxes are a bit counter intuitive, is there a recent guide to read?

[dapper patio]

pvp auxes are almost fixed, just depends on which build you prefer

as my current build, the spaghetti + perseus preload makes my anchorage feels itchy only lol...

i killed opponents backline sometimes, left their anchorage or shimakaze alone

or a launching of airstrike, their vanguard disappeared in sec

[fringe turtle]

When they don't have pre loads i use my jintsu Shima Duca XD . Those 10k nukes mines from Duca and the 6k nukes torps from shimakaze are a lot of damage x.x, almost one hit everything.

Sadly, is not a meta setup anymore. To much Preloads to try it... I feel that i rushed for her in vain from jintsuu XD. I just use her like 1 season or so.

[fringe turtle]

O.o interesting 🤔 didn't know this. But in the high ranks everyone use pasta fleet x.x + Shima +NJ +Anchorage so, i never saw a top player using that setup.

[fringe turtle]

This is funny, everyone at top tier use the elite DMG control in NJ. I was beaten by fleet with an inmortal NJ 2 times two seasons ago.

[dapper patio]

pasta preload can't take my fleet down.

[fringe turtle]

That's why, my NJ, uses it right now.

[dapper patio]

my build cost alots on equipments, i just had 1 +13 tenrai and wyvern

while another 2 wyverns just +10

[fringe turtle]

If you have Anchorage is a great wall against those pasta preloads x.x i remember how impossible was beat them before got my Anchorage to dev 25.

Long LONG fights hahahaha

[dapper patio]

i am not planning to upgrade another 2, i focus on my Opsi setup first

[fringe turtle]

You do really feel that your are improving your fleet when you notice how their can beat enemies fleet easy. And can even beat pasta preloads

[fringe turtle]

Indeed, those arbiters are broken

[dapper patio]

i did used pasta with nj and duca before, til i meet up this setup

and i died

[fringe turtle]

Hope to see your fleet in pvp bro, to test it. I'm sure your tenrai + wyvern must be OP

[dapper patio]

i dont know if the opponent had a full gear or not

[fringe turtle]

Is a shame you know.

They should show us the opponent setup after the battle.

[dapper patio]

impossible to meet me, i am from 1st server in JP

[fringe turtle]

You to say, wow this guy is op respect, or. Aww too much artillery against a starter...

[dapper patio]

they don't show is much better

[fringe turtle]

Indeed. That's why the difference. I have been noticing how the "meta"

Can change from server to server.

Is curious.

[dapper patio]

i prefer they defeated without knowing what happened

@fringe turtle encounter with pasta，some of my ships are using Opsi setup lol...

[fringe turtle]

Hahaha

[fringe turtle]

Give me some time, i can't watch video right now. I'll watch it later. Sure it will be OP to see tenrais sinking ships.

[dapper patio]

lucky shot, since my shinano was using Opsi setup, which plane with lock down torps

[fringe turtle]

Auch auch Auch, he doesn't even have a chance XD.

I still thinking on what formation should i use for defense x.x, right now I'm using the same formation that i use for attack. But Warchan is not that good for defense x.x, she is easily countered with a hiryuu.

[dapper patio]

my defense formation is just like the picture, video formation is attack, all equipments are same with the pic i shared awhile ago

[tall nimbus]

if you're from JP, then your meta is weird

idk why you guys use HE guns on NJ

[dapper patio]

my NJ was using Opsi setup, The PVP setup i use was same with the pic i share awhile ago

[tall nimbus]

the setup you've sent was also HE gun

dunno why you guys do that

[dapper patio]

as long as i can overrun the opponents with opsi setup, i m not care

[tall nimbus]

welp if it works for you then that's good

[dapper patio]

HE does burn dmg maybe

[tall nimbus]

just sayin it doesn't work in EN meta

everyone uses georgia gun on NJ to 1 shot any backline

[dapper patio]

JP and EN were just the same lol

[dapper patio]

that UR 457?

[tall nimbus]

yes

[dapper patio]

[fringe turtle]

That's my setup.

[tall nimbus]

burn damage not enough to compensate the damage difference between twin 406 over twin 457

[fringe turtle]

One shot almost everything.

One shot VV or Aquilas

[fringe turtle]

The one shot is after her skill proc of course.....

Still... Hiryuu or lucky torp ducas are dangerous sometimes..

[dapper patio]

different culture? lmao

[fringe turtle]

Indeed.

[dapper patio]

if only someone try the build in EN, then we will know the difference

[fringe turtle]

That's why I told you that i saw different setup from different servers. Is interesting.

I even noticed that in EN avrora the top players use the flags

But here in amagi everyone use full damage setups.

And inmortal njs.....

[tall nimbus]

i've already seen that team many times in my server and they don't work as good anymore

[tall nimbus]

dis guy specifically had the best among the ones i've fought because he doesn't have aquila

[fringe turtle]

Chise.. XD.

Or maybe Percy?

[tall nimbus]

i think he retired or was retiring at the time when chise released

[fringe turtle]

Interesting, a strong fleet with no preloads. Respect. I haven't found something like that.

[dapper patio]

i wonder if NJ second skill occur? the AoE?

[dapper patio]

who?

and what is the current top immortal build in EN? i wonder if i can see in JP, and give him a shot ofcoz

[tall nimbus]

SaltyArrow in this server

[tall nimbus]

it usually looks like this

[fringe turtle]

Is not an inmortal fleet. Just an inmortal NJ. Those 5 seconds with the manjuu makes the difference

My aquila setup is a little different tough, and i don't have the black Torp aux T.T

Tenrais on aquila Auch auch... They hit HARD!....

[fringe turtle]

I think is salty arrow. As I said, i never saw a strong fleet with no preloads like aquila or chise.

I hope to see an strong fleet with the DDGs.

[dapper patio]

my build also without preload

[dapper patio]

interesting, but i had crush much this build in pvp

[fringe turtle]

Here in amagi the preloads discovering is a must.x.x

I used to play using a non preload setup. But NHA x.x it was impossible to beat the top players with their VV +, aquila + NJs

I did that until my aquila reach to level 100... Then..... Everything changed.... Aquila helps A lot!

Still, a shame that i don't have VV T.T

[tall nimbus]

if you're in amagi and never fought saltyarrow you must be new

[coral wren]

[dapper patio]

NHA?

i wonder what is salty arrow setup

[fringe turtle]

But NHA = but no

[dapper patio]

oh ok

[untold crater]

ppl used to struggle vs salty's fleet?

[tall nimbus]

way way back before pr4 and shimakaze existed

[untold crater]

no comment

[calm mica]

Salty's not even the hard fleet any more. Kaya's the real IJN flagship now

The biggest issue with using that IJN setup isn't that it's bad, in fact it's very good, but it needs you to invest 1080 gold plates into wyverns

and of course optionally another 360 in a Tenrai

Mafia just turns out to be cheaper

and allow you to spend plane plates on more pve focused equipment

[calm mica]

You could also ignore using wyverns and just run into guys that don't use beaver badge and get a lucky snipe off NJ's barrage to blow a hole in enemy vanguard

I wouldn't count on it though

[tall nimbus]

kaya who?

[calm mica]

ToastyKaya

[tall nimbus]

oh toastykaya

yea cant remember his fleet whatever it is

[calm mica]

It's that IJN crap. Couldn't run over it last time I tried. All mafias I've managed to beat easily enough though

My real issue is probably the lack of black torp. I'm surprised people even have them

[tall nimbus]

salty's team was the last time IJN was even relevant so that's why he's the one I remember

can't even remember toastykaya's team tho

[calm mica]

I can't speak for equipment at all but it's what you saw for the ships. Nano/NJ/Hiryuu/Ancho/Shima/Jun

All I can say for certain is main fleet got annihilated 100% of the time when I was trying to farm a 12 2 seasons ago at 10/10 last day

On the air strikes

So I'm convinced it's 3 +13 wyverns

[candid sluice]

yeah my old fleet is kinda garbo now

might be a bit better with chise and anchovy but cba to test it

[keen silo]

yea weeb fleet dam hard to use without +13 wyverns

u do no damage on crash

[candid sluice]

Nuking backline isn’t a problem just finishing off the vg takes too long

Unless ur vg is also dead and nj taps them with her secondaries

[light crystal]

>Manjuuu NJ

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-xenoblade-xenoblade-chronicles2-tora-poppi-gif-20585365

[trail temple]

The teachings of Famine are slowly taking over ALO

[candid sluice]

Always has been

[trail temple]

The divine teachings of Aoste vs The cult of Famine

[dapper patio]

tbh, you guys saying mine is no working in EN, and kept said bout the stuff without any formation list or else.
is that counted as kind of bluffing lol...

sorry if the words are offend

btw, how bout this? seems bout the rings formation lol..

[cinder wolf]

is konstradh good for pvp?

[tall nimbus]

i'd love to test that fleet tbh but i can't find anyone with a decent team

amagi mafia plebs are losing to my nagato IJN fleet

[dapper patio]

what is meaning of mafia and plebs?

nagato IJN? nagato+amagi+hiryu? and torps as vanguard?

[tall nimbus]

mafia = aquila, new jersey, veneto
plebs = weak players

[tall nimbus]

i was trying out this old meta fleet since im bored

[dapper patio]

not all of them reach 125

and how do you know they losing to you

[tall nimbus]

yep and the ones i've fought can't beat it

[tall nimbus]

i was the one attacking

can't find anyone using it on defense

[dapper patio]

you mean my opponent setup?

[tall nimbus]

yep

[dapper patio]

it is quite interesting, made me swap my eqs to real pvp build lol

and since you had anchorage, so the mafias are not much for problem

[tall nimbus]

no one is using NJ Shinano Hiryuu in my server so i can't test fighting against it

[dapper patio]

ohh.. mine setup lol

NJ with that HE seems interesting lol

nagato quite good, but that barrage RNG sometimes..

[dry socket]

shinaryuu is devastating though

even w/out the barrage the buffs are

[fringe turtle]

Any suggestions for a def fleet?.

I have been using the same attacking fleet for defense but i feel that Warchan is awesome for attack but suck in defense, cuz i can't control to what target she will aim x.x

No VV, or black torps.

[candid sluice]

come find me in 40000th place

[keen silo]

[keen silo]

amagi teams

[flint python]

[trail temple]

Warkai works well enough, other options can include fdg or richy

[candid sluice]

[dapper patio]

[trail temple]

I'm pretty sure I've seen Nitre around

[ionic hill]

gotta reupload for better wquality

[trail temple]

But didn't really think twice about their fleet

[untold crater]

Mind showing me your fleet? Wanna test it vs a good one

[tall nimbus]

which one? the hiryuu shinano nj team?

[untold crater]

The current team you use in pvp idk

[tall nimbus]

it's set 👍

gear swapping such a pain

[untold crater]

Bruh

I meant I wanted you to send me what gear you use on your fleet, so I can use it against a good fleet and see how well it does

I don't have you on my list rn lol

[tall nimbus]

oh

[untold crater]

[untold crater]

4 aux player 🤯

[tall nimbus]

[untold crater]

Don't seem to be able to find your anchorage

[tall nimbus]

i dont use anchorage

[crude mortar]

[untold crater]

Just goes to show how easy Amagi fleets are

Even this fleet had a 50% WR vs the hardest fleet on amagi

[ionic hill]

[tall nimbus]

who even is the hardest fleet in amagi?

[untold crater]

My only resets in the past 5-6 seasons

[ionic hill]

setup looks very anti-air focused

[untold crater]

Looks very randomized

[ionic hill]

just seeing the aa radar, boiler, sex aa gun and juneau gun tells me its what he's trying to go for

[untold crater]

Yes

And the Boots on VV?

[ionic hill]

i dont like AA in pvp, you only like shoot one or twice per airstrike

[untold crater]

hmm

no comment

[ionic hill]

also gotta wait ~20sec for the first shinryu airstrike to go off

if you can outdps the enemy before that goes off, you're pretty golden

[untold crater]

The only way you're honestly killing Shinano by 20s is by sniping with torps

Ancho Juneau can consistently stall for Shinano

[ionic hill]

i also dont understand that shima gun he got there

[tall nimbus]

range

[ionic hill]

oo i see

[tall nimbus]

also with juneau it's not always the AA radar

it's whatever aux was there the last time i switched it

[untold crater]

Sounds like Amagi server

[ionic hill]

i stopped using juneau a long time ago, she was pretty unreliable

[untold crater]

Literally half the time doing pvp missing equip

[ionic hill]

either die too fast and not getting healing value or die too late and essentially healing one or two ships

[tall nimbus]

it worked clearing aquila airstrikes for plebs who dont use any avgas so i didnt bother switching it

[ionic hill]

NJ also buffs juneau so she ended up usually the last one dying even if i put her as the face tank

[untold crater]

More curious to see your eq now

[tall nimbus]

also the boots on vv

[ionic hill]

whats the website for that equipment simulator thing

[tall nimbus]

idk why but with the boots, the speed perfectly lines up duca torps for whatever reason

[tall nimbus]

https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[ionic hill]

thank

[untold crater]

Hmm it looks like what j thought it would be

Just wasn't sure how you have 17k fp

[ionic hill]

+13s

[untold crater]

Oh nvm I'm dumb, prob fleet tech + oath diff

[ionic hill]

and oath yeah

fleet tech doesnt affect pvp tho

[untold crater]

Nah my fleet is almost all +13s but still 16.7k so i was confused

My FP goes up after I 120.

Not by a lot, depending on the 120 it'd only be by 1 or 2

[ionic hill]

i am curious to see the shinryu at full power cause juneau would be a big factor in it

[untold crater]

Why HPFCR on VV? Do you not fight Anchorage in your server?

[ionic hill]

yes?

ig it just lowers the first shot by like 2 seconds

[untold crater]

Yes you don't or yes you do?

[ionic hill]

yes, i fight anchorage in my server

[untold crater]

hmm

[ionic hill]

the enemy vg is usually handled by shima and aquila

if that's what you're thinking

[untold crater]

Why do you want to shoot anchorage smokescreen

[ionic hill]

to be able to proc her shield as much as possible

CA torp stats suck anyways

[untold crater]

Thanks for your input 🙂 👍

[tall nimbus]

not sure what the exact gear is but 17.3k gives me some idea what the gear is

definitely not 3 +13 wyverns

[untold crater]

Today has been very helpful for fleet building 🙂 👍

[tall nimbus]

oh wait you weren't the one that said it was 3 +13 wyverns

who was that

[untold crater]

Lost(?)

[tall nimbus]

yep

[untold crater]

Yeah figured

[tall nimbus]

my shinano/nj/hiryuu is at 17.1k with unoathed hiryuu so should be around 17.3 or .4 if oathed

only 1 +13 wyvern and 1 +13 tenrai

[calm mica]

Fleet tech will show up for fleet power numbers even though it won't apply to pvp btw

That could also be the difference

[ionic hill]

probably, im maxed out of BB and CV minus chen hai

[untold crater]

Yep, I know it doesn't apply but the FP still goes up

[calm mica]

Either way, if a 3rd wyvern is +10 instead of +13 it's really not a big deal since it's 2x planes on Nano's first slot and not 4x

[tall nimbus]

blessex for him using t4 on 2 wyverns

[candid sluice]

Is this the highest +gain possible

[untold crater]

Yes

Base *2 -1

[last swan]

What is the best PvP fleet now?

[ionic hill]

depends which you can gear better

[flint python]

"best fleet"

[calm mica]

best fleet is NJ and co.

[oblique silo]

NJ VV AQ Ancho Shima Duca

[ionic hill]

its the most reliable afaik

the other one is kinda rng with juneau to be able to stall for airstrikes

[naive dome]

methink NJ Shin Hyruu Ancho Shima Juneau is the best fleet, assuming you have 3 wyvern for it

[keen silo]

weeb fleet too slow even with 3 wyvern

[candid sluice]

[dapper patio]

my current build, but is not user friendly since burn lots of resources lol...

[tall nimbus]

https://youtu.be/CuNKb2-F2N8

too lazy to compress the 3.5gb vid to fit in discord

10 fights against toastykaya's team

[stable dawn]

[ionic hill]

yeah, looks like the value of that fleet is based on the rng of juneau's death

[dapper patio]

seems like different culture, i saw juneau at front, maybe of counter preload?

[ionic hill]

juneau can go in the front or the back, it just depends how you want to time when she dies

[ionic hill]

imagine getting wrecked by a non-dev30 anchorage team

[sour oasis]

Donald Trump heard that

[ionic hill]

at 17.2k fleet power would probably beat mafia

too dependent on juneau death timing

[dapper patio]

well.. the proper fleets with eqs are no much problem..

the only problem was conditions above with lord of the rings...

[ionic hill]

only thing i was missing from that uss/ijn comp was another tenrai and one wyvern was not +13

[dapper patio]

i faced this formation, seems well eqs with rings, quite a good fight lol

and if you are attacking, hiryuu as flagship, shinano go for side

[ionic hill]

duca makes a big difference in a tankable vg

[dapper patio]

no idea, but i use archorage

[ionic hill]

16.4k backline is kinda low for if that's what good eqs are

[dapper patio]

i had 1 +13 tenrai and wyvern only

the other 2 wyverns +10

[ionic hill]

same

mafia does great in mirror matches and defense in general

you go shinryu on defense to kinda troll your opponent with rng if they are overconfident that they can beat you

[dapper patio]

hiryuu and shinano dual air strike + hiryuu counter

quite fun lol

[ionic hill]

yeah but it takes a while to load

gotta depend on the tankiness of vg to stall

[dapper patio]

i pump up my opsi eqs, so i m not planning to raise another tenrai or wyvern to +13

[ionic hill]

indeed very resource heavy

[dapper patio]

rng of anchorage to skip preload

now i can i hit on meta boss, but sometimes lol...

[ionic hill]

if there could be another tanky uss ship to replace juneau i will probably recommend shinryu

maybe seattle

[ionic hill]

what's the difference between shinryu's positions do?

[dapper patio]

since my pvp eqs doesnt change when atk or def, and my hiryuu had this

juneau seems like need her for counter preload and torps

[ionic hill]

okay, i'll try again with this in mind

[dapper patio]

when flagship with this, all dmg reduce 15%, iirc

20 eva and 30 acc seems good with hiryu

[ionic hill]

i used the other one on shinano

and i wanted to utilize her barrage

so her damage wasnt really affected by positioning

[dapper patio]

since center almost died first, so hiryuu goes center quite ok lol..

[ionic hill]

dying in center doesn't really happen much anymore

[dapper patio]

sometimes when both hiryuu and shinano air strike, hiryuu skill trigger and strike again

[ionic hill]

because nagato isnt being used anymore

[dapper patio]

3 times air strike lol..

[ionic hill]

but yeah, in my last video hiryuu does seem to die first and looks like to need those defensive stats

[dapper patio]

my current build and eqs upgrades

idk if def flagship will trigger the effect or not

shinano had a frontier with her

[ionic hill]

the treaty will activate but frontier will not

[dapper patio]

i see

[ionic hill]

requires flag and only one can activate

[dapper patio]

my shinano goes flag in def lol.

tbh, i had only shinano with ring

but still can take down lord of rings

[ionic hill]

only my juneau and duca are unringed

okay

this makes better sense now

[dapper patio]

how?

[ionic hill]

you built the main fleet with defensive aux

[dapper patio]

seems legit

i reviewed from those CN players

[ionic hill]

no need for hiryuu flag, her stats are lower and will be more prone to get hit regardless of position

[dapper patio]

seems like timing issue?

[keen silo]

@ionic hill shinano has to use a timing based bomber

so that she doesnt launch too late

[ionic hill]

i am on the fence about that

the crash damage of rainbow planes is really high

[keen silo]

timing based dive bomber, i mean

i mean its your choice lol

[ionic hill]

its okay

its figured out now

[keen silo]

i can show the weeb fleet im using/testing

[ionic hill]

sure

[crude mortar]

guys how is my start

[keen silo]

birmingham is so based

[crude mortar]

im getting my +49 start

[keen silo]

+49 cope

[ionic hill]

that's fine

how2keep track of who ranks up

[keen silo]

ignore enhancement level

noshiro has torp dmg reduction,useful vs shima ducas

[ionic hill]

looks fine

only thing i would change might be noshiro's torps to the homing gold quad for faster reload

and those vg aa gun to the FP ones, if even have them

the guy on the far right gave me a +8 but he was the strongest out of the 4 i could choose from

[dapper patio]

if +8,mean your rank is higher than him so much lol

[ionic hill]

he was the far right guy

i didnt react fast enough to end the test

[dapper patio]

btw, let shinano fly before hiryu

UR eqs are tough is truth, but you had to control the timing sometimes

read from CN, shinano barrage, saiyun had a debuff to opponent

idk if fleet tech affected, the data show my shinano had a 22.5 rld time, but ig my shinano had a faster rld time, 21.07

my CV rld tech maxed

[ionic hill]

okay, i made the adjustment

not using double wyverns anymore but will make due

[candid sluice]

The real slept on nano equip is bearcat

[dapper patio]

shinano use dual wyverns, match a suisei to adjust timing

my bad, wrong eqs just now with hiryu, now this is real one lol...

CN had a reason why NJ using skc but not 457, bcause if tag with pasta, she need 457 to clear the backrow

while with hiryu and shinano, skc for ignite the vg, while the CV take care the others

[ionic hill]

NJ's barrage will ignite regardless

[dapper patio]

they said, if wanna had a real good experience, +13 all 3 wyverns and tenrai

my hiryu use sb3c all the time til now, try later with tenrai

hakryu take the tenrai due to opsi lol..

[dapper patio]

yeah, but idk how to explain

[tall nimbus]

im surprised people still actually care about vanguard gun damage in pvp

[dapper patio]

???

[ionic hill]

at least its better than AA

[tall nimbus]

better AA guns means less crash damage tho

[ionic hill]

crash damage only affects the backlines

[tall nimbus]

yes

[ionic hill]

you only shoot once, maybe twice per airstrike

[tall nimbus]

and vanguard shoots down planes

the lesser the planes' hp, the less crash damage it does

[trail temple]

% HP also affects crash damage, so the more damage you do to the planes, less damage they'll do when they crash

[ionic hill]

well, the sex gun has less range than hms aa gun, and you'd have to compensate for that with speed

unnecessary use of equipment space

[tall nimbus]

best pvp take i've heard since this

[dapper patio]

wtf lol

i am sure he hadn't meet whole UR fleet in pvp

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

vg aa >>>> vg gun

[keen silo]

this tbh

[dapper patio]

main gun?

[candid sluice]

no tertiary gun

[keen silo]

@ionic hill what server are you on btw

[tacit fulcrum]

is there still any small useless hope to get Aotn tomorrow?

i lost that fck 2 exercises this season!!!!

yesterday i was 5th

now i am 12 and idk why?

that archrage rly need to be 30dev to get Aotn

i am so fuckin mad

pvp in this game is for god sake fucked and pointless

sandbanging and rush method both didn't work

so how the fuck i can get this Aotn finally?

[late heath]

https://tenor.com/view/snickers-snickers-satisfies-gif-5270238

[untold crater]

Skill issue

[untold crater]

Rushing at this time of the day isn't recommended since scores will be slightly higher...

[flat veldt]

Have you tried sandbagging instead of sandbanging?

[cinder wolf]

[sour oasis]

Actually rushing at this point (1 hour after refresh of tickets) is very good. Even on Avrora, you should have gotten into top-10 with just one loss.

i lost that fck 2 exercises this season!!!!
OK, three losses on Avrora = rushed less than ten minutes after refresh.

[cinder wolf]

any server just the same

[late heath]

just don't lose

[sour oasis]

Huh. You're right. I think I have two (maybe three) losses this season; if I moved to 0/10 right now I would be in the top 2.

[tacit fulcrum]

i can't do anything now

everything is lost

[sour oasis]

Rush immediately after next refresh or wait until next season.

[tacit fulcrum]

i am from EU so i can;t rush in night

[sour oasis]

Set an alarm

[cinder wolf]

how are you losing on a resetable pvp

[sour oasis]

I ate one or two through forgetting to play. I ate one because I left my phone alone thinking it was an easy win.

[tacit fulcrum]

i thin my def fleet was just eated

[sour oasis]

Defense fleet doesn't matter.

Also... what happened this season; last season you posted a screen cap and you were 40 points higher at this point.

[tacit fulcrum]

i just lost 2 exercises this season

[sour oasis]

[tacit fulcrum]

because i didn't aware i fight with no life tryhard

[sour oasis]

Well... you're playing a gatcha game. It's filled with no life tryhards.

This is an extreme case, but it's pinned here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/699431632364372088/unknown.png
Since this is week 2, set 2, Saturday, this reference would be at a score of 2388 if they used all their tickets.

Granted, that's very very high. My point of reference for the same situation is ~2340.

If you didn't lose any battles, but didn't get any bonuses at all up until this point, the reference would be ~2300 (which is where you are now).

So if you only lost two exercises... well... just don't lose any next season and you won't have to no-life-no-sleep-tryhard.

[cinder wolf]

nothing tryhard about tapping aotn tho

unless you watn eos

[sour oasis]

Well... if your life schedule means you can only play twice a day Leonhardt then it's a pretty thin line to get AotN especially on Avrora.

If Draconic didn't lose 2~3 exercises this season, then they would have had a way easier time getting AotN today.

Now if they still really wanted to AotN this season, they could have calculated that +45~50 wouldn't get them in the top-10 this hour, held their tickets, no-life-tryhard'd to get a few extra bonus points, and pushed/rushed on Sunday set-1.

[cinder wolf]

its the same for all server, just dont losing and rushing mindlessly

[late heath]

i'm one of those no life tryhard

[sour oasis]

No shame in that maybe a little -- but I would say Draconic with their flex defense fleet is too.

[cinder wolf]

hardly a flex

[sour oasis]

I can't afford all those rings