Top 100? You mean top 10
#pvp
candid sluice
trail temple
Sure
untold crater
u mean first 
trail temple
We're not Amagi
candid sluice
you mean sandy
light crystal
We're not Amagi
I AM Amagi.
trail temple
you mean sandy
No, I didn't, you're just better than Sandy, don't get too ahead of yourselves
potent mulch
hi, guys. Veneto, Aquila, New Jersey, Abruzzi, Juneau + who better on six: Yukikaze, Azuma or Jintsuu? Dont have Noshiro.
mb Ibuki?
late heath
do you've Anchorage?
potent mulch
no
late heath
Jintsuu would probably better since you're using preload
potent mulch
ye, thx
candid sluice
yuki
candid sluice
i wouldnt use jint if youre also useing june
potent mulch
i wouldnt use jint if youre also useing june
who can replace Juneau in that case?
candid sluice
shimakaze
potent mulch
who else? dont have shima 
candid sluice
nobody can replace shima 
i would not use jintsu if your other two ships are not torp nukers
potent mulch
ok, thx
light crystal
Juneau + Azuma + YKKZ is actually very solid, so you can roll with that easily
candid sluice
4 +13 oxytorps new meta??
light crystal
4 +13 oxytorps new meta??
It WOULD be an extra 78 Torp, so...
But good luck getting 1.2k Aux plates 
913 Torp on Rikka.
BRO
candid sluice
does she have two preload torps
light crystal
does she have two preload torps
One less than Shima anyway, on Preload
candid sluice
so no
safe zodiac
Chise has preloaded planes, can we do something with that?
light crystal
Yes, specially those who missed AQL ||Like Salty||
Can potentially replace AQL in some comps, or be used along side her too
Further testing needed
light crystal
calm mica
I've recreated Sonic in this game. Thoughts?
Wonder if this in the back + yuki and bulge in front might be the newest immortal vanguard
light crystal
I'm not sure how Rikka would do in PvP. As alot of her DPS is barrage based, and as the VG moves alot, it's probably gonna miss enemy VG too much to achieve its potential damage consistently.
sour oasis
I've recreated Sonic in this game. Thoughts?
Four SR aux 1k HP boosters, one toolbox or bulge. New Prinz Eugen right there.
calm mica
Yeah, I don't think she'd be reliable for damage. The 2 options really are spam speed or spam evasion on her
Level 125 and 4 evasion aux = 4817 HP and 282 eva. That leaves a slot for something else like torpedoes
light crystal
🤔
sour oasis
Level 125 and 4 evasion aux = 4817 HP and 282 eva. That leaves a slot for someth...
If you can outright buy gold plates now, she's pretty much the overpriced shadow of several limited ships.
dull hollow
light crystal
Not a real flex unless you got 2 +13 Tenrai
calm mica
13 +2 Tenrais would impress me more
forest plank
When running Amagi, is it paramount to adjust the fleet to fulfil the requirement for 4 Sakura ships or is it more like an added benefit?
light crystal
You could try running Nagato/Amagi/Hiryuu(Or Shinano), or New Jersey/Amagi/Hiryuu, and the Vanguard: Juneau + Noshiro/Yukikaze/Anchorage
Tbh, if planning to run IJN, might as well run Nagato/NJ + Hiryuu/Shinano, or if missing NJ, Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano. If ALSO missing Shinano, Nagato/Hiryuu/Taihou.
Ultimately, trying to force Amagi into a comp without a clear objective is not going to be very effective.
Amagi issues: Lack of DPS, even if she gets her accelerated Barrage proc. It can sorta be remedied going full turtle, but that's difficult. Hence, try to avoid using her.
candid sluice
if u just wanna use her for the debuffs and dont rly care about the fastload then its not mandatory
but u know preload good
fringe turtle
Hoooo, cool. A pvp focused channel, nice. Greetings everyone. 
sour oasis
"Focused."
alpine finch
candid sluice
focused
calm mica
trail temple
Just remember you have more chances of winning Russian roulette than an enty shoot out
light crystal
Just remember you have more chances of winning Russian roulette than an enty sho...
You never experienced the legendary Enty Mexican standoff timeouts? 
light crystal
No balls
sour oasis
No balls, but got AotN
shy hazel
fringe turtle
Fdg + aquila + NJ / Anchorage + shimakaze + juneau..... THAT'S an strong fleet... Until now the 2nd hardest pvp fleet that I ever fight. (that shimakaze with the black Torp aux and royal navy torp launcher is OP)... after some retries i was able to beat them x.x a shame that i forgot to take pics x.x too much focused on restarting.. XD. Respect for ayayafromchina if you are here your def fleet is really awesome.
fringe turtle
"Focused."
No focused? :'(... Well i still can learn some fleet composition to test them later.. 
Everyone is sleeping and I'm stuck here.. x.x come on.. someone do at least 1 fight x.x
sour oasis
No focused? :'(... Well i still can learn some fleet composition to test them la...
A lot of joking is done here. Also note that optimizing a defense fleet is different from optimizing an offense fleet.
(Burn a refresh; you get 5 a day)
fringe turtle
A lot of joking is done here. Also note that optimizing a defense fleet is diffe...
Indeed. I learned in the hard way... Shimakaze is dangerous.... In def she literally goes and huge your main fleet.. shoot all her Torps.. and GG ez.... X.x
fringe turtle
(Burn a refresh; you get 5 a day)
Already did.. today I got bad luck.
Every single opponent was sleeping x.x
sour oasis
Better to eat a -1 than a -10
fringe turtle
~~Better to eat a -1 than a -10~~
Indeed.
candid sluice
there really isnt much to talk abt in pvp until devs release another blatantly busted ship that shakes up the meta again
which by the looks of things will be later this month
silent ocean
well the meta has shifted quite a bit within the past year and each time it was from a ur event and or an event prior to it, only exception though is shima but she lands herself as a shoe in for torp meme. percy/shina/ducky---vv/aquila/duca--- some other worthy mentions are naganami and richelieu and i think kazagumo has been used here and there but i never used her so
candid sluice
there is only so much u can do to make new fleets
first strong faction buffs in ijn then to torps ish with teatorps then preload airstrikes then new jerjey then back to massive torps dmg
now its a waiting game to see what new ridiculous ship is gonna be released next
maybe yamato will give all ijn backliners preload and matches will only last 10secs max
untold crater
Fdg + aquila + NJ / Anchorage + shimakaze + juneau..... THAT'S an strong fleet.....
That fleet is easy I don't even need a full 125 fleet
candid sluice
yeah i beat ayayachina easily
untold crater
all amagi fleets are easy, plus today i just got 457 so it should be even easier
candid sluice
helps that everyone is using anchovy 
trail temple
I mean, his attacker is a newbie, give him some slack
trail temple
Juneau should get popped pretty quickly
calm mica
Yeah, don't think I've ever reset against FDG/NJ/Aq
Only standard VV meta and rarely the 3 BB main fleet because they snipe and your two shoot water
brazen socket
With chise in the mix did the pvp meta move at all or is she just aquila alternative for people who didnt get her
calm mica
Basically Aquila alternative
3 CV is a meme considering Anchorage's smoke shuts it down, 2 CV already has better combos
light crystal
With chise in the mix did the pvp meta move at all or is she just aquila alterna...
Probably didn't change much. Triple Preload meme is unstable, cuz Perseus being the way she is. But AQL+Chise+NJ (2CV1BB), or Chise + NJ + Richy/FDG are viable.
Chise is an alternative to AQL usage. Basically, if using VV, should still use AQL. If not using VV, can use Chise instead.
candid sluice
for people like me
tall nimbus
chise t1 just like aquila
light crystal
NJ T2
light crystal
spark flax
Is there a counter to a fully geared NJ?
crude mortar
by pretending to be the great phophet and inspiring the muggles to use whiteshell on nj
calm mica
The counter is to reduce her HP to 0
trail temple
The counter is to reduce her HP to 0 before yours
ftfy
light crystal
The counter is the fact they're dealing less damage than you and the fact that half the time they won't manage to fire their guns while the 8s invincibility is up
crude mortar
yeah go guess how many people using scuffed 120 fleet with berracuda beating your shitty fleet cuz of manju nj
if you know how they react to your fleet you'll die from cringe
candid sluice
solid phoenix
Hey guys, in terms of vanguard for VV/NJ/Aqu, is Juneau/Duca/Ancho or Ancho/Duca/Shima better? Would it be more efficient to do Shima on defense fleet and Juneau on offense?
calm mica
Shima's better, since she can die whenever. Juneau needs to die at the right time to be useful
untold crater
Reno > both
trail temple
+Thighs!
vocal plover
is triple preload become a trend now?
trail temple
Has it?
north vine
if NJ has preload maybe 
light crystal
is triple preload become a trend now?
Effective against noobs, maybe. Otherwise, not too much of a bother against meta users
north vine
must be nice a server is giving free wins
candid sluice
not enough power in those airstrikes
light crystal
not enough aquila in those airstrikes
candid sluice
not enough manju nj in those airstrikes
light crystal
is nj parachuting down now, meta so wacko
candid sluice
nj is known to be a great paratrooper
oblique silo
Is there a counter to a fully geared NJ?
Another fully geared NJ
oblique silo
Hey guys, in terms of vanguard for VV/NJ/Aqu, is Juneau/Duca/Ancho or Ancho/Duca...
Juneau is falling out of the meta. I find her heal inconsistent because it doesn’t always proc when you want
I use Anchorage Shima Duca
For attack
sour oasis
is triple preload become a trend now?
More preload better.
Three carrier strikes, a barrage, three or four torpedo launches... Gotta keep stacking more.
late heath
I heard a god pvper said to not put manjuu onto NJ, so I put manjuu onto Juneau
candid sluice
nono better to put in on your anchorag
trail temple
Well, I dunno about "god" pvper, but certainly many pvpers have said to not put Manjuu on NJ
calm mica
Yeah, if you're not using Manjuu and Pearl Tear Anchorage, you're doing it wrong
light crystal
Too bad that that would be bad eHP for Anchorage. You'd want at least an eva item in as she's a CA. So Rudder/Beaver/Kicks + Pearl/Manjuu.
Pearl would be bad too, cuz she's die too late to make it worth it mind you
crude mortar
calm mica
I can't even read this
trail temple
When a group of people can manipulate the ladder at will, scary shit
calm mica
Could always just move to Amagi, where nobody about 3 people even care
calm mica
When did I become your people? 
Also Salty doesn't even count any more, sadly
calm mica
Do their arms ever get tired?
trail temple
No, but their wrists might
crude mortar
nah
their arm very strong
they are virgins
if they aren't
why are they still sandbagging
light crystal
Proud Virgin PvP Warrior 
untold crater
So agents are just colluders?
keen obsidian
Why enemy shima so hard to kill
untold crater
Skill issue
patent pilot
Skill issue
This but unironically
candid sluice
calm mica
Just edit out all the ones of you losing, and you can make any team look good
I'd personally say there's a good reason you never see the enemy NJ aim at main fleet in any of these
and it's not because it doesn't happen
light crystal
and it's not because it doesn't happen
It does happen a couple of times here tho
And they're using MF as mitigation for that as well as to buff CV Preload DMG
tall nimbus
i must be too pleb that that team doesn't work when i tested it 
enemy NJ with white shell just smacks the hell out of backline
candid sluice
these white shell njs man living long enough to hit my backline
high bay
pvp is a lot different than i remember 
now there's a bunch of stuff that just obliterate everything
leaden jay
Just curious if running Shima for both Attack and Defence is viable as an aggressive choice considering how she can rival backline damage?
north vine
Def shimakaze has rigged rng so def yes 
leaden jay
Would one consider replacing Juneau or running Shima along side? I have Azuma and Noshiro running in my fleet
north vine
sounds to me Azuma gets the boot
leaden jay
Alright
Actually I'm curious
Why is Azuma in PvP considered meta-defining?
Is it because of her tankiness and damage?
north vine
thats old 
leaden jay
I guess it kinda is..
north vine
and yes, thats the case back then
leaden jay
I don't really dabble in PvP meta
Is this viable PvP gear for Shima?
or is there anything I'd consider changing specifically for better PvP?
north vine
what happened to aggresive vg 
leaden jay
Yeah, should I run double rainbow torp?
I was running that before I changed her gear for some PvE content 
north vine
i ran double oxy, i just need her to proc enemy juneau early and get bonus chip dmg, then idc if she dies since NJ wins the rest
leaden jay
Alright
Double Oxy it is
So do I put Noshiro in the middle then?
or still Shima
cuz I have Juneau on the left, Nosh right, Shima mid
north vine
shima mid
light crystal
Just curious if running Shima for both Attack and Defence is viable as an aggres...
Ppl have been running Shima on Att since weeks now
She's both good on Att or Def
Some run double Dildo, some Dildo + HP, or some full HP
leaden jay
Okay~ 
calm mica
And drilldo gear skin
candid sluice
teatorps blacktorp shima club bcus killing nj 5secs into the match is funny
trail temple
Be a true chad and run teatorps double rainbow dildo
calm mica
You might be killing NJ 5 seconds into the match, but white shell NJ has higher DPS for those 5 seconds
untold crater
not 5s, 13s, because manjuu NJ OP
candid sluice
white shell nj hits different in those 5secs
candid sluice
guys is the rainbow sub torp gonna be new meta in pvp???
untold crater
No because not magnetic
Need to use black torp aux on sub
(they can use it post maint confirmed)
light crystal
guys is the rainbow sub torp gonna be new meta in pvp???
Yo Pog, this is gonna make my Wolf Pack tryhard fleet OP in PvP 
light crystal
Yoooo, sick
calm mica
Would you remove snorkel or hull plating for the black dildo?
high bay
what gears should i take note of aside from the manjuu thing and pearl for pvp?
high bay
subs in pvp? 
leaden jay
Quick question, should I be putting NJ or Veneto as flagship? Is there any difference, such as higher barrage hit chance, or damage taken as flagship in PvP?
flint python
well there's no barrage rng exploit I think
leaden jay
Is flagship more prone to damage in PvP?
flint python
veneto flag if u want her 2ndary gun firing consistency
candid sluice
flagship most prone to getting shafted by torps
i put nj top since thats where i find most safe spot
high bay
the cv update messed up my warspite snipe strat
tall nimbus
boomer moment
calm mica
white shell is the red pill, manjuu is the blue pill
candid sluice
torp bulge nj new meta??
calm mica
Groundbreaking meta shift. 4% more DPS against light armor for VV's secondary
candid sluice
holy shit
untold crater
VV?
The meta is Washington South Dakota Enterprise. Don't know what year you're living in.
calm mica
Wash what?
leaden jay
What should Noshiro gear look like?
light crystal
Depends, if using for DPS with other Torp botes, full DPS, so double Dildo. If using to stall, well stall Aux, like Rudder/Bulge/Boilers/HP/etc.
leaden jay
Alright, thanks~
slender tartan
personally i crafted the new IB AP one for my VV (and bisko ). since she had the Royal Navy gear lab AP CL gun. but what im curious is like the new Eagle Union Gear Lab BB gun. My NJ is UR twin 457mm ofc and VV has the UR triple 406mm. i dont know how strong it is compared to those 2 (probably not better since UR). my FDG tho has the Proto-triple 406mm (AP gun from PR3) maybe its better for her?
north vine
just get another 
lime folio
white shell is the red pill, manjuu is the blue pill
so true
untold crater
most accurate description yet
leaden jay
Who would Anchorage replace if the vanguard was Jun Shima Nosh? I'm running Italian w/ NJ for backline
light crystal
Noshiro out, Ancho in. Or Juneau out, and Ancho/Shima/Noshi instead. Personally, Ancho/Shima/Duca the best imo
leaden jay
Thank you so much 
I'll get Duca leveled and geared up then 
glacial fiber
question, but what is pvp meta nowadays with PR4 out now and the intro of shima/yuudachi?
slender tartan
question, but what is pvp meta nowadays with PR4 out now and the intro of shima/...
this. if you got the ships. make this. (ancho needs DEV lvl tho, i think 15min? could be wrong tho.)
candid sluice
yes make sure all your defense fleets use anchorag
and put the manju on her too
its very good defense trust me
glacial fiber
this. if you got the ships. make this. (ancho needs DEV lvl tho, i think 15min? ...
i do indeed have all those ships
lime folio
this. if you got the ships. make this. (ancho needs DEV lvl tho, i think 15min? ...
||those numbers need +13s 🙈||
calm mica
His main fleet should be fully +13. Mine is too, it's just unoathed
light crystal
His main fleet should be fully +13. Mine is too, it's just unoathed
Ah yes, a Rikka enjoyer I see. I used Rikka in PvP mostly to get a feel how she would be ands while I was leveling up to 125.
I was using regular PvE DPS configuration, Tracto/Borr/Vitter/Sword/Dildo.
Her damage could hit 20k or so against certain fleets, but I came to the conclusion she wasn't particularly meta.
Stats are very high, as well as solid Effs, but the main problem is no Buff/Support skills, besides weak party Heal. Also, while Barrages can hit high, they will often miss, and doesn't have the alpha of Shima torps.
So ultimately I'd rate her as T2 CL for PvP (With Duca, Noshiro, Seattle and Juneau being better for PvP purposes), but T0 for PvE.
If I didn't have Duca or Noshiro for w/e reason, I can see Rikka being a solid pick, otherwise.
crude mortar
untold crater
SO TRUE. . .
calm mica
Yeah, I've just been testing the waters with her so far. She helps push out a little bit more damage than Anchorage, while having slightly less survival. I'm okay with it since 99% of teams you don't even need to go full meta so something that just pushes more damage will feel nice to save time
Used this kind of build so far
light crystal
🤔
125/200
Maybe would be interesting. But issue remains, 0 Support, beyond small Party Heal
eHP might be better if ud replaced one of those Eva aux with a Bulge btw
calm mica
Yeah, she's just tank replacement. Barrage has helped pick off Juneau once or twice, and the beam I'm mainly thinking helps pick off 1 HP burned backrow
Hmmm that does sound like a good idea. Move shoes over to Duca over a boiler
light crystal
I'd say replacing the Beaver for a Bulge
calm mica
My only issue is torps haven't mattered too much. The killer is when she's been hit by a stray HE shell from a preloader
light crystal
Ud keep Rudder cuz highest Eva contributor, Heels for Speed stat, and Sword for Barrage enhancer. And move Beaver to someone else
calm mica
Well, beaver or shoes doesn't matter which, they're both speed. It's just beaver gives a little more evasion which I'd prefer to keep
light crystal
Well, beaver or shoes doesn't matter which, they're both speed. It's just beaver...
But Heels give Speed, might be desirable.
calm mica
Yeah, it's just moving to someone else
light crystal
It looks OK
leaden jay
Anything I should consider for better results in PvP?
stable dawn
slender tartan
Anything I should consider for better results in PvP?
maybe manjuu on anchorage instead of heel. and give heel to duca. (assuming you use ancho/shima/duca).
leaden jay
maybe manjuu on anchorage instead of heel. and give heel to duca. (assuming you ...
Oh, is non-double rainbow torp viable for Duca?
Oh yeah I did think about Manjuu on Anchor but she's not levelled up yet, so I'll swap it off Jun once she's all leveled up
light crystal
Oh, is non-double rainbow torp viable for Duca?
I suggest not to do it tbh
I prefer my Duca to be tankey
So I go full Defensive Aux gear
slender tartan
manjuu on anchor i think will make a bit of difference since it will turn her to that one fly from OPM that just refuses to die. now duca. some people use rudder/beaver, some rudder/heel, some go full offensive depending on the torps they use, you might see double rainbow, black torp/rainbow etc. In all honesty she can go either tanky or full DMG. Personaly im one of the people that play her tanky. Mine already has +13 teatorps and even with rudder/heel hits quite hard, if i gave her black torp she would indeed deal a lot more DMG but also usually die relative fast. Since i got shima who is with +13 UR torps and 2 double rainbow +10 she already hitting mini nuclear bombs with each torp so i think duca offtank is better so she can tank more blows from the back making shima even more survivable in the middle. So like unless i get hit by that one lucky torp that one-shots her im good and even if it happens its mafia
so i win anyway .
light crystal
I run Dildo/Pearl on Shima, Manju/Rudder on Ancho, and Kicks/Bulge on Duca.
leaden jay
Guessing the extra HP and reload from this isn't worthwhile then
slender tartan
Guessing the extra HP and reload from this isn't worthwhile then
this your shima loadout?
leaden jay
Yup
I'm not very knowledgeable with how Shima works, does the bulk of her dmg come from torps? or her special attack?
light crystal
Guessing the extra HP and reload from this isn't worthwhile then
Reload?
light crystal
Guessing the extra HP and reload from this isn't worthwhile then
That looks OK
I would use different torps tho
slender tartan
i would suggest. teatorps from gear lab. Keep the HP if you really want to and give her a black torp if you give her teatorps imo. AA i dunno i use STAAG for +HIT. main gun i would heavily suggest the blue single gun.
light crystal
Like rainbow quint mags
leaden jay
What's teatorps?
slender tartan
rainbow mags would be great as well
slender tartan
533mm Quituple Torpedo Mount from Royal navy surface torpedo gearlab=tea torps
leaden jay
I also use Shima for PvE, I'm not sure if I want to give her the blue gun just for the sake of PvP
leaden jay
This?
leaden jay
I'm too poor to get my third rainbow quint torps 
I could craft one by using the few rainbow BPs.. 
light crystal
I could craft one by using the few rainbow BPs.. <:u47Think:588629717628878878>
It's worth it imo
slender tartan
personally i got duca with teatorps and UR quints on shima. now i also use her for PVE as well. but i personally prefer her barrage being up as much as possible (and im lazy to switch gear all time from PVP-PVE
) so i give her 76mm. but 114mm would be fine.
leaden jay
My Duca gear atm, I'll make her tanky w/ washing machine & shoe once I get her all levelled up
slender tartan
yeah give anchor manjuu, give tanky gear to duca, and slap a rainbow quint on shima with a rainbow torp at least on aux and you are golden
leaden jay
karmic forum
Has anyone tried either of the new CL guns yet?
leaden jay
Thanks so much for all the insight and help
light crystal
If you're interested in the difference between using Blue gun or 114mm on Shima u can read this. Ultimately, it isn't too impactful imo, either should do fine
light crystal
Has anyone tried either of the new CL guns yet?
For PvP?
karmic forum
Yeah, I'd imagine it won't matter much though
light crystal
Nepgun should be better for PvP, cuz better firing range and RoF, i.e., better interception
As for Mogami-gun Kai, well, lower RoF, but better Light DPS
slender tartan
Has anyone tried either of the new CL guns yet?
New HE CL gun= upgrade from belfast gun, aside that pretty similar to seattle gun and B-38. New AP CL gun= hits way harder than the neptune gun but is also way slower. Personally i made a bunch of HE ones for PVE since i got seattle gun on duca and 2 AP ones to replace my neptune guns on VV and biscuit. Generally i prefer bigger dmg per shot but you can still use neptune gun. In all honesty there are just side-grades so if you are lacking resources dont bother with them.
light crystal
This is wut I run on the other two. Just make sure they're at least 100 Affinity and got +10 acceptable gear, and you should do fine
flint python
Manjuu
crude mortar
candid sluice
Holy shit the drek gun manju anchorag that carries pvp
coarse hearth
Hey guys, regard pvp Def fleet
I wanna make full SPDmeme fleet (le terrible, shima, le malin)
I equip boiler on fking everyone
Is there any SPD stats limit btw?
calm mica
Shouldn't Rikka have more speed? malin is 70 with 2 boilers and Rikka is 74 with 5
oblique silo
Does she? Also beaver tag on the backline for more speed
light crystal
Anyone else trying out double Preload CV? Pretty tough. Deffo would suck not having anchorage for them lol
calm mica
Nope. 2nd tenrai waiting room, still
late heath
Whenever I see manjuu on Anchorage, I cried. Why are you people making my loli suffer 
candid sluice
Oh no, anyways
light crystal
Does someone need some heelys for their feelies? 
candid sluice
does someone need braincells for their brain
sour oasis
Hey guys, regard pvp Def fleet
I wanna make full SPDmeme fleet (le terrible, shi...
Needs more Charles.
crude mortar
calm mica
Is li'l sandy meta guys?
lime folio
Can I make this work 
can replace pastas with haryuuku and some other shit
Got bored of Anchorage
and Agir is my waifu
oblique silo
You could but NJ isn’t getting the buff from having another USS ship in the fleet
crude mortar
slap in noshiro instead of agir and you'll witness whole new world
oblique silo
Or Anchorage
untold crater
Slap manjuu no NJ and you'll witness a whole new world
calm mica
Slap dat NJ ass and you'll witness a whole new world
untold crater
crude mortar
oblique silo
Maybe I’ll slap your ass
ionic hill
saem
sour oasis
Slap it until it cooks.
light crystal
Can't wait till the upcoming UR changes the meta yet again
worldly cape
For that to happen the next UR has to be a huge stat stick that deals big fat numbers of damage (close or more than NJ/Shima), or hard counter any of the pillars of the current meta team
worldly cape
Until they saw the level 10 barrage of NJ and how much dmg Shima has with torps
light crystal
Nah, still a few weeks after, even. I was an early adopted cuz I'm open minded, but ppl still weren't sold themselves for a while
UR's tend to be overtuned with something that makes them broken. They tend to have general top-of-the-line stats, but also great skills.
worldly cape
If next UR comes out to be Soyuz, I'm guessing her skills will do the opposite (in terms of what she covers/helps) of what NJ does
Like instead of delivering ST nukes, she'll do big AoE dmg
light crystal
The one ship type I could see having difficulties breaking into the PvP meta would be a UR gunbote DD. There's many candidates that would fit the bill to become UR Gunbote DD's in AL, and if they do make it, while being OP in PvE, they would only be decent at best in PvP I think
worldly cape
The only way that could work for PvP is that she has an incredibly strong support kit
light crystal
Maybe
calm mica
NJ and Shima made it in because pasta was just a core with 3 spaces for it. Now that NJ, Shima and Ancho have filled the gaps, you either need to outpower one of those 3 or be powerful enough to break apart the pasta synergy
worldly cape
What you think could break pasta synergy?
My guess could be to outright jam their weapons on battle start
calm mica
IJN battleship that gives preloads to Nano and Haku
worldly cape
Then yeah, the next UR if she wants to make the cut for PvP must be able to either make already strong but slow ships drop their payloads earlier
Or delay enemy damage so the payloads happen at the same time
calm mica
Most likely next UR will fall short of being pvp meta but be good for pve, I can only imagine it'll have to be at least 2 ships combined to really replace pasta meta
light crystal
Alsace, for the French, would probably be OP with Richy. So Richy/Alsace/NJ
As for Lion... Maybe NJ/Lion/(PreloadCV).
worldly cape
Alsace and Lion look more like PR/DR material tho
The British UR should be Vanguard
light crystal
As for VG, there's space. Probably Duca would be the first to go
light crystal
Alsace and Lion look more like PR/DR material tho
Nah
The pool of possible UR's in certain nations being limited as-is, they would avoid the PR system if they can
worldly cape
PvP comps need to behave more of a rock-paper-scissors rather than just a pistol duel
Pasta is rock, old IJN CVs are scissors
We only need paper
light crystal
So out of the current meta, NJ would be the hardest to replace outright, and so any new UR backline fit for PvP would probably have to be used alongside her.
oblique silo
The one ship type I could see having difficulties breaking into the PvP meta wou...
The way a main gun UR DD could be meta in PvP is if it dealt percentage based damage per shell or had something broken for its gun
light crystal
Yeah, like the case of Shima, would have to be overturned in such fashion to obtain viability
untold crater
Pasta is rock, old IJN CVs are scissors
? More like IJN is scissors and pasta is a nuke
candid sluice
ijn is paper and pasta is a woodchipper
untold crater
IJN is paper and Pasta is a shredder
sour oasis
There was early airstrike 
. Then invincibility 
. Then BB sniping 
. Then torpedo memes. 
Now we have preloads 
, more invincibility 
, more BB 
, and more memes 
When will AA take priority
(Didn't we have a Tone/Hiryu-sou avatar here?)
oblique silo
Waiting for the sub meta
untold crater
That's why they added UR sub torp
Next UR will be a sub
And subs will be added to pvp
worthy cave
So is cv preload the new meta or not quite?
oblique silo
Triple CV preload is good but below the mafia meta
calm mica
I don't think anyone's doing triple. Perse just not pvp viable
Feel like Chise/Aqu would fall short without double tenrai, but haven't gotten Chise up myself to really judge how she feels on attack
On defense, it's easier to take out than old IJN because lol guess what another invincible target means BBs will do
light crystal
It's good, from the one time I have seen a guy use it (AQL/Chise/NJ)
clear briar
inner quiver
light crystal
I haven't even heard of Dalaos keeping it at lv 1 lol
oblique silo
That skill at lvl 1 is a meme
trim bough
to the top
sour oasis
Aim for the to(r)p
candid sluice
guys is ulrich good in pvp???
worldly cape
Out of meme, my guess is she'll be FdG but with new skills
candid sluice
my guess is she will give all ironblood carriers preload and kms will be new meta
flint python
late heath
Hope they give FDG FS V soon
lime folio
Hope they give FDG FS V soon
Same
I got the blueprints ready for FS V too
I just hope KMS dominates PVP thursday so the pr4 completed chads such as us rule over same way when we completed Azuma early
worldly cape
I got her BPs ready too, 185 sitting plus the 30 we know we'll be getting once it drops
Isn't patch going to be next Thursday?
Because this one should be the call to arms
trail temple
Yeah I'm thinking fs5 fdg is gonna be pretty dominating, probably will use her over VV and Ulrich over NJ
Might need Chise or Aq to reveal cover tho
Not ballsy enough to run without at least 1 carrier
Can imagine seeing more ancho agir comps
light crystal
They have been awful quiet about F5 FDG is the thing tho
They can just drop her in last minute with notice, so maybe it is coming. Also, remains to be seen wut Ulrich kit will look like. Likely to have FDG stats and Effs tho, so that alone will make her good. But will require some NJ level barrages or powerful buffs/debuffs if she's to see play in the meta
candid sluice
Don’t worry she will give ironblood carriers preload and make kms new meta
light crystal
Oh, Ulrich may have some sort of accelerated volley mechanics too, looking at the rigging. Looks more sleek, so maybe something speedy or something.
light crystal
Doubt it would be some sort of damage mitigation, like Eva Rate or some bull crap like that tho. Would be way too tankey at those HP pools lol
candid sluice
So no preload?
light crystal
So accelerated reload or something like that. Could also be indicative or barrage spamming. inb4 she has something to offset the high DPS potential though, like increased damage taken or something, sorta like glass cannon. Would be interesting too
candid sluice
If it ain’t preload I will be disappointed
trail temple
You must enjoy disappointment then
light crystal
He's an Aquila enjoyer.
sour oasis
Beats missing collaboration ships.
forest plank
Is there any point in trying to be somewhat competitive if you don't own NJ, Shimakaze or any Italian ship
Or are the meta ships that dictating in the leaderboards
candid sluice
as long as you can bag with your fleet u can leaderboards
some guy got top5 on avrora with ijn
trail temple
Don't get their hopes too high
That guy used to be ladder frequently back when he was playing properly
light crystal
Is there any point in trying to be somewhat competitive if you don't own NJ, Shi...
Hope Ulrich is good to help carry ur team
calm mica
With a good IJN team, you can probably try to at least hit AotN on 2nd or 3rd to last reset
laddering has always been a huge pain without the freshest meta event ships, so as long as you're doing all exercises and keeping loses to a minimum, it should be pretty decent merit still
crude mortar
sumire had higher score than fantie and saber without nj or italian ship
oblique silo
You don’t need a meta fleet to get AoTN. It’s just going to be harder
candid sluice
u could get aoth with enty long island
thought u meant getting eos when u said leaderboards
calm mica
well eos not even worth trying without NJ I'd say. Someone getting 5th once really speaks to the uphill battle you'd be fighting
trail temple
Like Eri said, Sumire is just good
stable dawn
forest plank
I see, I figured it's an uphill battle because NJ and Shimakaze are singlehandedly clapping my fleet, which becomes frustrating at times because everything else ain't really an issue
Guess I'll keep trying and pray the new kms ur is op 
candid sluice
U better hope she gives preload to all kms backlines
sour oasis
KMS simps always mald; they are forever stuck with Hipper and Eugen
sour oasis
I see, I figured it's an uphill battle because NJ and Shimakaze are singlehanded...
It is. Shimakaze is somewhat manageable... But you would need a lot of firepower to snuff her before she can reload. The "drop only" list of competitive PvP ships is going to include PR/DR ships which could take months to get. And you still need some luck/save scumming to get a favorable result.
If you want to get the 2500 merit from AotN, you can be more selective of who you fight (as long as you don't lose or miss a ticket) -- and you may need to play all your tickets close to a refresh period on day 13. If you want to show-off and be near the top continuously, that's just impossible without event ships. At least on Avrora
worldly cape
Avrora in a nutshell is "Embrace meta or get screwed"
sour oasis
More the latter than the former.
If you weren't in Avrora on day 0 and didn't at least tryhard for a year, GTFO from PvP competition
worthy cave
Does anyone have a rough ballpark estimate for total merits in a season given you do and win all your pvps? (With or without rank up bonuses, either one)
sour oasis
The only special case is if you scrape a few extra merit (+10) by fighting other top 10 players while you are also in the top 10 and have a season score of 2200+. CoughgokucougH ||not Covid||
calm mica
Also depending on how hard you sandbag, you can hit 1050 score as soon as the 60th exercise. You get an extra 10 for every exercise you're over rank 1000 on the LB and over 1050 points
Usually on Amagi, you'll only get it on the 61st with good sandbagging unless you get very lucky. Other servers probably easier
untold crater
Is there any point in trying to be somewhat competitive if you don't own NJ, Shi...
u can win since reset feature exists but u prob need to move earlier since u could get walled by NJ fleets at times
Nothing stopping you from being competitive besides yourself
slender tartan
just made a second UR quint mag. my shima already has a +13 one , this one is +10, would it be better to have duca with tea-toprs or UR quint mag (duca aux are heel+rudder)?
light crystal
Duca should have Mag torps imo
She has accelerated torps at like 10s into the battle
Having tracking on those and subsequent ones is really nice, for reliability
silent yew
does fdg dev 30 fdg hit harder than NJ ? 👀
slender tartan
yes but actually no.
oblique silo
Not really
slender tartan
assuming both max 125, max affection , both UR AP 457mm +13, STAAG+13 and same aux (like white shell, HPFCR). FDG has slightly more FP (so small its irrelevant to be honest), and like 10% more efficiency on the guns(NJ 150%/210% , FDG 160%/220%). With her crit passives (20%rate , 50%damage) from even number salvo and her above 70% HP buff (20%FP), technically she can crit for more with salvos BUT. NJ reduces spread by 5 , gets a 15%FP and 10%Reload buff and if sortied with another USS ship also gains: AA buff 15% and decreases dmg taken by 5% AND increases FP of USS BB's BC's by 10% (so 15% default +10% more with another USS ship, since you gonna have anchorage or juneau. 25%FP total). PLUS NJ has higher HIT (FDG 67 , NJ 76) and of course comes with 72 LUCK on top of that (FDG HAS ZERO LUCK). On top of all that she also has an OP barrage that triggers always at 10sec in the battle plus 100% when she fires. with buffs she most likely gonna attack at 15ish seconds. so 2 barrages before 20sec. Barrage always 100% crit , deals tons of damage, plus armor break (5% it also stacks with other sources). FDG barrage does ignore armor type but still not good enough. Overall even tho FDG can potentially hit harder with a salvo CRIT hit, her NO LUCK, lower HIT, makes her miss quite a lot even with HPFCR and White Shell for full +HIT plus if you get hit and go below 70% say goodbye to 20%FP buff, you do get 10% Decrease dmg to self and 10%FP but still you just delay the inevitable. While NJ goes brrrrrrr. Her HIT, LUCK , constant BIG buffs plus really powerful barrage make her WAY more powerful in the long run and more consistent overall. So even tho you might see a 20k crit with FDG and delete someone (once in every blue moon), i think its better to delete the entire enemy team with 15K crits with bunny every game. ALSO keep in mind FDG also has to deal with IB which unless ulrich is next broken meta, is not looking good.While NJ fits well with every team and of course aquila.
oblique silo
You forgot about NJ’s 100% burn chance. Since NJ’s barrage will always crit and burn it will do more burn dmg than FDG’s burn and override it
slender tartan
if you gonna use IJN. get nagato for flagship. aside that maybe if you get a DEV 30 hakuryuu replace amagi (switching noshiro for yuudachi retro might also be an option however i dont know how good yuudachi retro is at PVP since i dont see her much prob cuz ancho-shima-duca exists )
solid phoenix
BTW should VV get Nelson flag + treaty with flagship, or white shell+washing machine?
light crystal
Probably HPFCR + Rudder/Beaver
solid phoenix
Wait what? I thought treaty was good to make fights more consistent and nelson flag helped with avoiding OHKO from vanguard torps on Ancho
candid sluice
wnt wont help against shima torps
light crystal
Wait what? I thought treaty was good to make fights more consistent and nelson f...
Huh?
Ancho is already immune to all preloads/torps (Except Duca seamines).
solid phoenix
Alright, then WNT isn't worth it anymore as well?
candid sluice
Guys what equips should I use on ulrich???
worldly cape
How much is 100 units of range from backline compared to air detection?
Also seems like Ulrich's barrage has longer trigger range than FdG, which already triggers quite easily on attack side
Not putting her on flagship will make her a barrage machine with the tradeoff of losing most of her main gun dmg
Will this be the birth of UBM fleet?
(UR Barrage Memes)
sour oasis
Will this be the birth of UBM fleet?
(UR Barrage Memes)
Does that replace pre-loaded barrage memes to stop torpedo memes?
worldly cape
If the damage of overlapping FdG and Ulrich barrages is enough, maybe
sour oasis
Well, the important thing is that it takes torpedo ships out of the equation, either in offense or defense setups.
Having the extra BB does give an excuse to triple up CVs...
Maybe it's time for triple CV to shine again
worldly cape
It will take a few days to experiment tho
Because even if someone stacked that many XP books to get her from the get go to 125, the bottleneck is skills
sour oasis
Did the mines discover new UR equipment? Because I'm still 40 prints from my first Tenrai
candid sluice
no
naive dome
what are the current meta vg ?
candid sluice
shimakaze
atomic spruce
Duca degli Abruzzi, Anchorage, Juneau
lime rivet
<@!143752083730857984> what were you going to end at syanda?
i'm at 5/10 right now, want me to blow my attacks?
alpine summit
only if you didnt care about eos of course
lime rivet
I never care about EoS and anyway i already missed two attacks this season
lime rivet
only if you didnt care about eos of course
Done, current score 1885
alpine summit
prisma scaffold
SHAMELESSNESS
alpine summit
crude mortar
MOD STILL EXISTS IN THIS CHANNEL?
empty grove
...
light crystal
So, uh, FYI: Ulrich's self shelling debuff when off-flag is also additive, not multiplicative in PvP.
In PvP, all BB's do -20% less dmg. That stacks with Ulrich's -45% Shelling DMG when Off-flag, which can also stack with Frontier Medal to a further -10%.
So Flagship: Does 20% less DMG, Off-Flag does -65% less Shelling DMG, and if FM is play, does -75% less Shelling dmg.
alpine summit
forgot, it was last week
candid sluice
Lil sandy
sour oasis
That required maintenance?
sour oasis
Universal rare
hot creek
shes not Iron Blood?
candid sluice
if she required other kms ships that would make her worse
slender tartan
First of all HAPPY NEW YEAR 
. Now she doesnt need KMS to activate her own FP-RLD(15%),CritRATE(20%) buffs. however the buffs(decrease DMG taken 5%, CritRATE 10%) she gives to the other fleet for the first 5 sorties apply only on KMS ships (except support barrage). Also from what i understand she is either flagship with AP gun(Crit RNG go brrrr, at least she has 50LUCK unlike her sister) or Side with HE gun ( since she gets extra bonus vs light-medium armor(15%) , alongside 50% reduced CD maybe compensates for the F*** 45% Reduced main gun dmg( at least vs those armor types). She doesnt apply any faction buffs to her own fleet, aside FP-RLD(15%),CritRATE(20%) on herself, and a debuff 30%slow on enemies hit by her barrage (at least it goes to 100% activation i guess ). I dont know whats the bright idea but i dont get it(at least she can equip a secondary unlike odin). For UR standards imo (and im HOPING im proven wrong, #HOPIUM) , she is pathetic. The only thing she is good at is as flagship on a KMS fleet on PVE so you can Buff the OTHER KMS fleet. Like Biscuit-GZ-AVP MOB, UVH-FDG-ODIN BOSS. And like she buff biscuit fleet for easy mobs or vice versa, something like that i guess. Again HAPPY NEW YEAR.
candid sluice
merry new years to u too
light crystal
merry to u too
rocky shadow
Why pvp now harder
crude mortar
because its not easier
candid sluice
skill issue probably
rocky shadow
skill issue probably
I don't but since +13 come around
calm mica
Hmm, almost like gating a whole fleet of +13 equipment behind a half year of gold plate grinding isn't a good idea 
untold crater
Nope, good idea.
light crystal
flint python
raven imp
Got the mail for AotN for the first time yesterday. Is there no trophy, just 2500 merit?
light crystal
Got the mail for AotN for the first time yesterday. Is there no trophy, just 250...
Welcome to PvP
candid sluice
were u expecting a trophy
slender tartan
I was also expecting a trophy XD, furniture like the ones you get from event so i can place it on dorm. When i realized its just mail with merit i just starred that mail and now it rots with valentine event mails. Never bothered again since then. I dont care if its just for .
earnest totem
Got the mail for AotN for the first time yesterday. Is there no trophy, just 250...
If it eases your pain on the expectation of a trophy. AotN Medal will always be beside your name on all ladders except for PvP as highest military rank achieved is whats displayed on rankings/ladder.
light crystal
Oh yeah, there's that thing I guess
But u only need to reach AOTN once and it's there forever. ||They should at least take it away periodically or something, so that you need to renew it every so often, but that's whole lot of Copium already ||
late heath
slender tartan
lost with what against what? also did you afk? its auto yes but if you get bad rng (skill issue ) you can pause and reset.
stable dawn
tacit fulcrum
I give up
6 month i dont know how to do exercise without 457 gun or archorage
Nobody will work
raven imp
You still get half points for failure. I made it to AotN without using Anchorage (she's not lev120/dev30 yet). She is super annoying to fight against, though.
Luigi/Shimakaze/Noshiro, gambled on the +torp damage to make up for lack of tankiness.
candid sluice
i use zero italians and no anchorag but still get top5 eos regularly
but i do have 457
trail temple
No point trying to convince them otherwise, they won't even make for good food
light crystal
Italians, New Jersey, Shimakaze, Anchorage.
light crystal
Venetto, Duca, and Aquila
dull hollow
new meta comp is 3 ulrichs
humble geyser
candid sluice
just use enty long island smh free aotn
trail temple
You can aotn with Eugen in your fleet, anything is possible
light crystal
UR mom is possible
vocal plover
how's ulrich performance in pvp, is she good?
light crystal
how's ulrich performance in pvp, is she good?
Sorta bad. Flagship, she's a somewhat weaker FDG. Off-flag, where she would normally easily Out-DPS FDG, the BB Debuff in PvP (-20%) stacks with the self 45% Shelling debuff ADDITIVELY to make her only do 25% Shelling damage, robbing her of much of her DPS. If Frontier Medal is in effect, Shelling DPS goes down by an additional 10%, down to 15% Shelling damage.
Edit: As Plasma said, I was counting the wrong way. It should be: 55% > 35% > 25% .
vocal plover
damn okay
oblique silo
Wait that’s 25% not 15%
trail temple
candid sluice
i didnt know it was physically possible to be that low
slender tartan
assuming your def fleet is the same as your attack. and also assuming you dont have pasta ships (since i dont see any, OUCH). Switch shinano for persues or richy, NJ sends shinano to the next dimension before she fires (since she is revealed by aquila), and even if she does fire, AA really high on mafia, so its like a slap instead of the nuclear explosion it used to be back in the day. VG keep shima to skill gap your opponent, azuma since you dont use nagato i would say switch out for agir if you have her high dev, and while you are at it, like start making anchorage. Again assuming you dont have pasta ships, you should use something like Ancho-Shima-Agir, if not Agir since she can be hell to DEV level, put Juneau, imo Juneau would actually be better than Agir for PVP especially with Ancho tank, and NJ backline. Also i dont know if you afk-auto or if you check it and reset your fight, if you want to actually win you have to pay attention and reset. EVEN WITH FULLY BUILD MAFIA, yes even with that, because the enemy mostlikely has a well build to fully build mafia as well, one good rng from Shima or one good barrage from NJ to delete VG or Your own NJ dying early on (it can happen), can be the end of the fight right there, thus you gonna have to restart. Most of the time you gonna win first try but sometimes shit happens
its rng after all.
candid sluice
tacit fulcrum
but i have that pasta ships but don't use them because they are useless in pvp
slender tartan
?
do you have them with like blue gear or something? or level 80? or skills level 1?
tacit fulcrum
i haved veneto/aquilla/NJ and Jueau/duca/seattle and it worked bad
they are were full oathed and 125lvl
slender tartan
juneau/seattle/duca is kinda sus ngl , i always hated that VG, too squishy in my book. but the backline? do you have them with gold gear+10 at least?
tacit fulcrum
sure
slender tartan
what UR gear do you have?
candid sluice
what equips are u using
it must be an equip issue if u are struggling with taht fleet
slender tartan
azur lane fleet maker still dead btw...................... so now we have windows paint epic boss fight. sec.
tacit fulcrum
slender tartan
yeah, that gun, switch, give her 457 or new gear lab from eagle union or at LEAST champagne gun from PR3.
tacit fulcrum
i don't have any 457 yet
slender tartan
also black shell out, HPFCR in its place
should look something like this, but without 457 , make the gun below. GEAR LAB-> EAGLE UNION-> BB GUN (bottom rightmost gun). Hella expensive on the circuits but its your best bet without 457.
tacit fulcrum
i have that gun in+11
slender tartan
then give her that gun and give the UR he gun to vittorio
unless you want double AP BB, i personally run VV with HE.
tacit fulcrum
done it. what next?
slender tartan
i use the new IB CL gun, but thats just a side grade. i use beaver and HPFCR for aux. she wont be dealing shit-ton of dmg anyway, thats NJ job,
also its still alive?
tacit fulcrum
btw i still have only one copy of hpfcr
tacit fulcrum
archorage is 75 level and too low dev
slender tartan
yeah you gonna have to speedrun her, i cant tell you much aside good luck, untill she is good to go, you can use juneau.
tacit fulcrum
dev 7 still on 😦
slender tartan
she is usable i think pre-DEV 30, but i dont remember the level.
tacit fulcrum
i putted her in dorm now, but thats all i can do with her now
slender tartan
this season just play for merit and try have her DEV 15, 125 by next season. for now use NJ-VV-AQL, JUN-SHIMA-DUCA.
also do you have the UR gear (except 457 which you said you dont have)?
slender tartan
so no wyvern or UR mags?
slender tartan
ok good. UR mags?
tacit fulcrum
one at +10, 2 copies unenchanted
slender tartan
give one to shima , one to duca.
tacit fulcrum
wait, i have both at +10
slender tartan
shima also must have at least 1 +10 UR aux torp
the second aux, as you can see i use 2 UR torps, some people prefer CB or in general something with HP, i prefer dmg.
candid sluice
rip no tenrai
tacit fulcrum
ur torps and auq torp should not be problem
and yes RIP no tenrai
3/50
ok i am gonna try make that shit mafia again
but ONE-LAST-TIME
slender tartan
based on you gear and ships
tacit fulcrum
it's possible to make that exectp fact that still only one copy of sex aa gun
i nedd to get one sea hornet
slender tartan
457 replace NJ gun in future, VV secondary you can use neptune gun not mandatory to change to new IB gun its a sidegrade, you can also change SG radar for HPFCR in the future if you want, aquila sea hornet is really good because speed helps reveal enemy CV faster, shima use 1 UR torp for now, if you want CB out for second UR torp, its your choice, duca do mags if you have, JUNEAU PEARLS MANDATORY IMO, and bird, now bird can sometime backfire, if you have enemy shima i personaly use bird so juneau face tanks torps with bird and then dies and heals all rest of damage , most of the time she gonna die on NJ first proc so i can be really good, i dont use bird on juneau on not shima skill gap tho, i use AA radar. (i dont use juneau anymore in general since anchorage is immortal anyway)
keep in mind you might have to unequip PVE ships to give things for PVP ships, i had to do that to IB. i couldnt have all my IB dressed in UR at the same time with PVP ships since i didnt and still dont have 10 copies of everything, YOU CAN , actively switch gears but that might be annoying and also compromises your defense fleet. I down graded my IB to give to Mafia, and now im re-gearing them.
tacit fulcrum
can i keep goldburn colab auq in shimakaze?
slender tartan
oh sure if you have it, in fact it might be better. i think it has a passive that gives RLD to the ship that has it if that ship is in the VG or SSSS colab ship
candid sluice
manju pearl jun?
candid sluice
what is this mid 2021
slender tartan
they dont have anchorage (DEV 7, lvl 75 i think), i dont know what else they can do aside juneau XD?
tacit fulcrum
yeah, i have nothing to do with that fact
slender tartan
i think VS mafia , juneau face tanking shima torps with immortal bird , probably its the best thing RN, since they dont have anchorage ready. at least she can then die at 10ish second mark and heal the fleet, with a little bit of luck enemy NJ barrage probably already landed so thats gonna heal it back up (assuming RNG doesnt one-shot someone ). Other option they said they have seattle but seattle main tank VS , Shima , i think its gonna be a 1v1 with the skill gap, that they not gonna win.
slender tartan
VV- FLAG, NJ-TOP , AQL-BOT. JUN-FLAG, SHIMA-MID , DUCA- LAST
and gl with juneau rng vs shima. if you see its really bothersome, then i would suggest lay back and do refreshes and play for merit, until anchorage is ready. i would sugget PR4 grind and rushing her if you havent started doing so already
worn perch
Venetto, Duca, and Aquila
Wow my sakura team just got annihilated by this team, shieeeeet
Get smoked
What yall think of duca, Anchorage and Azuma frontline?
candid sluice
azuma out shimakabruh in
tacit fulcrum
@slender tartan thx for tips xd
heavy seal
Does UVH stronger than VV or Warspite? And then should it be used off-flag or as flagship?
slender tartan
<@!180392384096501760> thx for tips xd
@tacit fulcrum rank:1, thats what i like to see. GJ now keep it up! ohhh and just you wait until your ancho is ready as well .
light crystal
Does UVH stronger than VV or Warspite? And then should it be used off-flag or as...
Flagship, if u want to use UvH at all. Her damage gets reduced too much in PvP if used Off-flag, cuz the BB debuff stacks additively with self debuff.
tacit fulcrum
I powered today that archo amd now she is 89 level and dev 12
fading wing
Does UvH have any legitimate PvP potential
Ive nearly maxed mines skills
Like if I lack VV / NJ / Aquila etc
oblique silo
UVH with NJ and FDG might be a thing. Just have UVH flag
fading wing
I suppose UvH flag would just replace Richy then
I've been using enty Richy Warspite backline but I guess UvH Warspite Enty Backline would be slightly more consistent
candid sluice
enterprise and consistent should never be used in a sentence together
fading wing
Idm resetting if it means beating a fleet for more rank score than what I normally shouldn't
candid sluice
hey whatever works for u
fading wing
When you don't have the best meta options you just go with what you got
fading wing
I just aim to net 30k merit / season ATM
Unless Hiruyuu Kai has higher potential to steal wins but w/o nagato or Shinano that feels weird
candid sluice
as long as u are winning your tickets and farming merits it works
sour oasis
Make an easier defense fleet. That flex is for noobs
sand prism
worn perch
So the niche role of aquila is to knock off the invisibility of backline with her preload?
So new jersey and other bb can nuke the backline?
worn perch
Ahh interesting
brazen spoke
Question: With whom I can counter that New Jersey Ultra Rare bullpain?
Warsprite kinda does the job but not good enough, so I need somebody who is not stuck in 2019-early 2020 to help me out
candid sluice
shimakaze
candid sluice
dodging
brazen spoke
Great, another OP ultra rare for whales
What if i am one of the "idiots" who hasnt played when Jersey and Shimakaza were on banner?
Any "poor losers" options or I am stuck with good'ol Fox+war meta and RNG on Ayanami?
Cos from what I see Eldritch got destroyed as well
Enterprise + Warsprite + Shinano in main, would that work if I would put Enterprise on mid in hopes of taking main salvo from Jersey on her iframe procs?
candid sluice
enty has no chance of tanking nj shots if she has hpfcr
if u have nano your best option is probably just old ijn fleet
tall nimbus
slender tartan
you could use one of these 3 i guess. but in all honesty if you got no pasta ships-NJ-shima. there isnt really much you cant do .
brazen spoke
Man my envy just skyrocketed
slender tartan
i would say nagato is probably your best shot.
brazen spoke
This is 4 months or more of casual play to get all those rainbow pretties, right?
brazen spoke
i would say nagato is probably your best shot.
I dunno, I think i get better results with fox duo and Warsprite than Nagato
slender tartan
UR HE gun (on biscuit-richy) is event locked (NJ), 457 is PR2 grind gonna take a while, wyvern OPsi RNG go brrrr same for quint mags, in general best gear required lots of time to farm.
brazen spoke
Yeah I have 18 parts for main gun and farmed torpedoes, thats it
so 32 parts more for 1 gun..
slender tartan
there are some good option but also require OPsi, or PR grind.
slender tartan
for PVP , i would say hard no. for PVE she is just "OK". i personally get META ships to like lvl 100 and max their skills and stars, but never bother to actually gear them and use them, even for PVE, only good one is like helena META and you can pair her with normal helena, but again PVE that is, i would say they are really bad for PVP.
brazen spoke
so...tell me if I am wrong
PR1, PR2 and PR3 and META, so everything that You farm for outside of events is just useless?
All power comes from FOMO events?
Man dont sugar coat, just say Your thought
slender tartan
it kinda depends what you wanna do (AKA what content you want to clear), some ships can be useful for PVE but bad at PVP , some good PVP bad PVE , some good at BOTH , some Bad at BOTH. In the end of the day each persons values each ship differently. That being said, usually the new powercreeps the old, usually. NJ came out and makes FDG kinda irrelevant, but now UVH comes out and doesnt even faze NJ , for PVP that is. PVE UVH is the best mob clear BB and could also serve as a replacement for Duke of York and can combo with NJ and FDG to delete bosses. Another example is shimakaze who powercrept ayanami as new torp queen, both PVP and PVE. Most of the time the new beats the old, it is what it is. In my case my favorite faction is Iron Blood and all of them except agir have been powercrept to oblivion #bismarckRETROwhen? So are the old ships useless? If you dont have the new ones no you can use them, if you do, yes. Will they perform as well as the ship that powercreeps them , well no. But when you new or returning and dont have many options. you gotta do what you gotta do.
brazen spoke
It just kinda kills me that my RNG on FDG was so awfull I now barely end making her and shes so far behind its not even worth to do and still URs are just better than other things You can farm for
I agree that I have to do what I can do, wich is staying with original waifus Kaga and Akagi I guess
slender tartan
when i maxed my FDG during nanoryu meta, i could finally max out my KMS and literally facetank shinano and win, NJ came out 1 week after, i literally had 1 week to enjoy KMS , 1 year of grind thrown away (granted i was a noob back in the day, and didnt know to to reserve oil and stuff so it took my quite a while to make her but still). i feels like shit, but it is what it is. Fate sim might make her better, until then, well we wait.
brazen spoke
I still need 200 token to finish FDG, rarest reaserch on my client
even with pity mechanic
slender tartan
Meta evolves, you gotta follow if you wanna be competitive , i dont go for top 10 and stuff, i really dont care, i just wanna do my exercises and get merit, i just want to do it fast and not take 100 refreshes every time, thats why i switched to mafia from IB (and thats before shima-ancho, now i dont even dare to use them). some people dont care and just use fleets they like and have fun, some compete for top spots on ladder. you have to choose whats best for you, in accordance with whats available in your ship roster and gear.
brazen spoke
Well I cant argue, as I do similar stuff. When I played at the very beggining of azur I used Eldritch before she was meta (though I did as she was direct counter to fox/enterprise terror), but most of my fleets at end game are just shipfus I enjoy and like. I dont really follow or know present meta of today. I began this conversation, as I just played PvP and saw how obnoxious New Jersey was compared to other ships mine had faced.
brazen spoke
Meta evolves, you gotta follow if you wanna be competitive , i dont go for top 1...
Last question: Is it possible to farm specialized cores somewhere or its pure rng and weeklies?
slender tartan
Last question: Is it possible to farm specialized cores somewhere or its pure rn...
contents->4->4.2
brazen spoke
thank you
sour oasis
You don't have to whale for PvP; you can whale really hard to buy the material to gamble on the build, you still have to sink a buttload of months getting the research or FOMO gear.
Also, some FOMO gear will get farmable (Single 138.6mm 1929), and others (Triple 152mm mk5) have research/OpSi alternatives.
brazen spoke
Yeah i know, I just am old vet who came back recently for more than few days
Back then there was fomo but PR1s were ultimate goal, it just kinda, blew at me when I saw URs on banner
and URs wich are that much stronger(skill utility) than original ones like Warspite or San Diego
fresh lark
it kinda depends what you wanna do (AKA what content you want to clear), some sh...
I still use some older ships I like in PvE, I oathed my Unicorn for skin even if she one of the worst healers due to being old
light crystal
Well, more than that tbh. Issue is the part where she only heal VG tbh
Perseus, AQL and Ryuuhou can heal anybody
slender tartan
So what would u toss for new UR, bisco?
if you mean, replace biscuit in full IB fleet for PVP. no, if i use KMS for PVP, i wouldnt switch biscuit flag for UVH, she provides no faction buff in the fleet she is IN, and her buffs are like FP/RLD 15%, and CritDMG 20% (more RNG great) for herself and on side UVH she is less than a siren vs bunny, plus its IB so aquila still slaps them for 1/3 of their HP on a preload even with leipzig. Graf is better choice imo for pure IB for her damage reduction, combined with naval treaty makes them quite tanky effectively making them able to take on everything relatively well except mafia. On combined fleet UVH flag might be better than Richy cuz UR stats, so UVH-NJ-FDG, might be ok i guess, but if i didnt have mafia i would say nanoryu would be best bet, or a Richy-NJ-Perseus maybe , i just dont trust triple BB.
coral wren
How does Ulrich on pvp???
light crystal
Ulrich does
candid sluice
indeed she does
flint sun
Do I have to worry about UvH in PVP?
flint sun
She do be a mobber I guess
Maybe I dont feel too bad not getting her but I feel like just like shima people will realize she has a role nobody else has
I mean
scratch that I mean just a huge boost in realization of greatness in general
candid sluice
well shes p good in pve just kinda disappointing in pvp
brazen spoke
Ill force myself to find a use for Ulrich on PvP now that I dropped her. If it worked with Yama back in 2019, there has to be something for Ulrich in 2022
tall nimbus
jovial sedge
best non zoo team with gear? is there anything like that ... is it somewhere to be seen link etc?
sour oasis
and URs wich are that much stronger(skill utility) than original ones like Warsp...
Yeah I feel that. And Azuma (rainbow PR2, aka DR) got power crept ... Twice (she got a catch-up patch via Fate Sim 5, but PR4's DR Agir is slightly better... And she doesn't have a Fate Sim yet.)
brazen spoke
Overall balance is awfull in this game
You just have to play cos you like waifus or drop the game if You enjoy logical skills on characters
sour oasis
On a slightly more serious note:
Yuudaichi UR in PvP - what kind of poverty has to be that she's an option
sour oasis
Overall balance is awfull in this game
Welcome to subscription based gatcha gaming.
brazen spoke
I mean Ulrich von Huntzor for example
that new UR (if I remembered her name right)
Her mid skill is what makes her trash becouse damage nerf on it is just overtuned
sour oasis
The game always has to change to keep the player base confused and wanting more.
brazen spoke
She should have -35 ro -30% on base that goes down to -20% or 25% and she would be quite good, better Wales
Meanwhile she litteraly kills herself as side ship and New Jersey goes full BRRRRRRRR mode on insta kill spam
I mean wtf (100% chance for special barrage that has 100% chance to crit)
buffs herself and other USS ships
tall nimbus
imagine comparing uvh to wales
brazen spoke
has faster reload
sour oasis
New Jersey is all kinds of broken. They gave her two different dakka dakka skills.
brazen spoke
Wales has similar gimmic skill as UvH
Non necessary trash that was made to make something
sour oasis
At least Wales gets boosted by better ships
brazen spoke
UvH +50% reload alone and 15% boost to RLD and FP base is fine i think
but that self nerf by 45 to 35% is just ridiculus
Please note that I have my uvh on level 100 thus far and shes on 5 stars not 6 stars, so I dont have full picture of her possibilities yet
but pvp wise uvh beeing HE focused is insta "auauaua" moment
brazen spoke
yeah, you are right
imo 50% reduction is stronger but still she pays for that with almost half of her damage
meanwhile "girls" like New Jersey get all the aces and just go without nerf forever
making BBs from PR1-4 obsolete
sour oasis
Ulrich needs more critical attacks; +20% is nothing.
sour oasis
making BBs from PR1-4 obsolete
Gatcha power creep.
tall nimbus
imo 50% reduction is stronger but still she pays for that with almost half of he...
i tried using uvh and this really isn't an issue unless the enemy is using triple BB setup
uvh would just snipe the hell out of aquila like NJ does
she still ain't top tier
but she isn't as bad as you think she is
i'd still use her over fdg in pvp
sour oasis
i'd still use her over fdg in pvp
Any specific reason why UvH over FdG there?
brazen spoke
Nah i dont say UVH is trash, I dont think she is and I even said here, I will try to make her viable for pvp
for my fleet that is
light crystal
UvH is fine in PvE, second best BB for DPS. Issue is at PvP with how Debuffs stack. U could use her in the center position, but loses nearly half of her DPS potential in she being Flag. But again, Off-flag is a near non-starter due to the debuff stacks.
brazen spoke
UvH is fine in PvE, second best BB for DPS. Issue is at PvP with how Debuffs sta...
How much she does with AP cannons on pvp as non flag?
light crystal
Probably less DPS than FDG
tall nimbus
Any specific reason why UvH over FdG there?
-barrage when she fires her main gun
-has luck stat
brazen spoke
Yeah I agree on that
Though I need to find cannons for UVH that doesnt make her damage suck(pvp), especially on AP wich she has no buff for
light crystal
Less FP and a little less Efficiency. FDG also buffs main battery dmg due to Skills
brazen spoke
I see potential mostly in UvH great reload
Shes Amagi but better in that one regard for sure
sour oasis
-barrage when she fires her main gun
-has luck stat
Yeah the luck stat is the big one, but I'm not entirely sold on her barrage. (Not a fan of FdG's either.)
light crystal
She doesn't have utility and debuffs like Amagi gets 🤔
brazen spoke
Yeah it is true, hence why I onyly thought and talked about reload times*
light crystal
Issue with Amagi is that while u can sorta build for turtle due to skill, meta still CV-slanted atm. And her DPS is pretty poor to justify usage over other BB's/
brazen spoke
I mean vanguard on pvp is just to soak damage unless You have murderers but for most people vanguard is a shield
Main fleet is to deal damage so utility skills are not that important imo
jovial sedge
still no one posted non zoo owning fleet ... or what would be best fleet with gear >< I need to to know but definitely not zoo
oblique silo
Her mid skill is what makes her trash becouse damage nerf on it is just overtune...
Double the fire rate but 45% reduced shelling is an increase in dps. Especially if we include buffs and double barrage procs
light crystal
Double the fire rate but 45% reduced shelling is an increase in dps. Especially ...
The issue lies in how Debuffs stack additively, so in scenarios where there's a debuff already at play, like BB's in PvP, or OoA in PvE, it does make her shelling damage crap lol
candid sluice
@tall nimbus flag or off
abstract cypress
still no one posted non zoo owning fleet ... or what would be best fleet with ge...
Poor guy, Got this old random thing but checks out https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x6mFbmO6Ls9C4PvN2A7R9Jyzux35yLWHJOduy4V6yJE/edit?usp=sharing
candid sluice
September 20 2021
abstract cypress
Thats why i said old, pretty much nothing changed
dull hollow
ulrich needs a high tier 2 barrel HE gun to take off
since she starts at 55% gun mod the 15% HE bonus she gets is almost a 30% raw increase in damage
but rn the twin HE gun is still too shit at dps
to outpace the 457 or even match it
light crystal
Just use 457
oblique silo
Or the Mk7
tall nimbus
<@!153823222767288320> flag or off
i prefer off flag to clean up the ones NJ or shima didn't kill
just need to pray that she doesn't target vanguard
candid sluice
i prefer off flag to clean up the ones NJ or shima didn't kill
Is her barrage aimed or rando tho
tall nimbus
aimed
candid sluice
yike sucks
light crystal
Not mine, but id put her on t0
T10? Damn, so low
dapper stone
what makes seattle esp good in pvp?
light crystal
Extremely tankey for a CL, and great AA.
vocal plover
in duca-shima-juneau fleet, i got ancho dev25, should i swap juneau with her?
oblique silo
Yes. She gets full hp at D25
vocal plover
aight
dapper stone
anch - shima - ägir or JDA
light crystal
You can try both. I personally wouldn't use Jeanne without Richy. Instead of either though, might wanna try Duca, Noshiro, YKKZ or Juneau.
light crystal
Dont have NJ?
dapper stone
no limited ships before july
light crystal
Might as well use Richy/Chise/Hiryuu then. Should be a solid lineup. Not the best, but has good frontloaded DPS which is wut u want.
dapper stone
chise is a good idea, gonna raise her
worthy cave
Did/will uvh change the spagetto metto?
candid sluice
Lol
stable dawn
trail temple
It can, if you dream hard enough
long lodge
candid sluice
Shimakaze
calm mica
NJ, Shimakaze and any other 4 if you want exp. If not, just NJ/VV/Aquila/Duca/Shima/Ancho
sour oasis
With the right equipment, Anchorage doesn't die, Shimakaze nukes your backline, and whoever the 3rd is (Juneau, Noshiro, Duca, etc) is more there to protect the aft than to do damage.
Aquila is primarily to neutralize CV stealth, but is a threat if you lack any counters to UR planes. NJ will almost murder somebody, and VV will mop up/decoy.
Not an impossible team to beat without using the same ships, but you need higher-end equipment, which is a terrible grind.
abstract cypress
Did/will uvh change the spagetto metto?
Change it, make KMS proud
Ma gurl need more buff love
