are you willing to use someone who isn't kms?
#pvp
tall nimbus
coral wren
Let's say no
tall nimbus
then changing odin to someone else won't be doing any difference
calm mica
Could upgrade Roon to Leipzig, not too familiar with KMS other than that, but good luck using monotype 
coral wren
What about this then?
Can't decide between Independence and Essex
Maybe replace Sandy/Helena with Reno?
tall nimbus
should be better
also don't use CAs that isn't called anchorage
swap sanfran with juneau or something
calm mica
Looks good, maybe Juneau over SanFran, but that's about it
coral wren
Thought Anchorage was meh
tall nimbus
decent in pvp
coral wren
Is Juneau mandatory?
calm mica
Ancho good for frontline survival, but she just outlives everyone else and does poop for damage
calm mica
Not mandatory, but definitely replacing SanFran with someone else is prefered
tall nimbus
birmingham also usable on that fleet since indep
coral wren
Another thing, Independence or Essex?
coral wren
Why Indy over Essex?
tall nimbus
faster airstrike
calm mica
More reload
tall nimbus
and more torp bombers
coral wren
Replace any of the other two?
tall nimbus
nj and enty are perfectly fine
calm mica
Not unless you want to entirely change your team. I think 3 BB with South Dakota with Anchorage might work, but yeah, this team should work best as far as I can tell
coral wren
So just replace San Fran with Jeneau
I feel like the fleet has low damage for some reason
calm mica
Have you used it? NJ, Sandy and 2 CV should prevent a reveal
It should be plenty strong, just really luck reliant with Helena and lucky E
coral wren
Also isn't NJ's skill only for BBs?
calm mica
her AA buff is entire faction
coral wren
Thought she has a FP buff for American BBs in her fleet
And an AVI buff for American CVs not in her fleet
calm mica
nah, AVI buff only coming from indep
candid sluice
U don’t have to use USS bbs in the fleet with her
Esp when the other uss bbs kinda stink
thin cosmos
impressive video-somehow ancher lost almost all times
compare to juneau...
and if we use both juneau and ancher, we have problem with juneau healing timing
candid sluice
they are torping your backline ancho not helping much against that
thin cosmos
my previous concept was blocking that torps with VG moving
seatle showed some performance before and I thought ancher better for that
candid sluice
ohh i see
thin cosmos
but it's just test mode so if we have juneau, duca, yudachi, would be ok
I don't think shima can cover that much gap
candid sluice
shima is best torper
thin cosmos
I mean ancher+duca+shima vs juneau+duca+shima
would be much different with those 2 videos?
candid sluice
well torps dmg wise shes much better than yudabruh
she can even take out a whole backliner immediately
thin cosmos
I see but I can't test it
anyway for now I wonder should I make ancher 125 or shima 125
candid sluice
cant go wrong with either tbh but i did shima first
tall nimbus
juneau shima duca is definitely better vs ancho shima duca
i found that out after wasting my time trying to find a team that beats ancho shima duca consistently a few weeks ago
because my pleb agir team doesn't work anymore 
copying ancho shima duca still loses more because of vanguard positions 
worldly cape
Yep, torp defense bias is a factor you can't leave out of the equation
covert swallow
imagine using ancho shima duca 
dull hollow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587495729224744991/899407833433514004/unknown.png so that's why she lives so long in pvp
her hitbox is actually just tiny
calm mica
It's her proper body height to mental age ratio
iron stratus
-Yo peps, its me or Jenueu at lv125 dies damn later than her damn mates? 
light crystal
Well, depends. She does get a DR if you're using NJ, and CL's did get a stealth Eva stat boost (as did DD's).
iron stratus
Welp
Jen go brrrrrrr, she heals way to late in some fights 
also yeah, im using nj mafia, jen duca noshiro
calm mica
I've already abandoned Juneau
calm mica
Feels like Shima's just as good but ends battles faster usually
Not saying Juneua is bad, but yeah, she's not really as hard required as she used to be
calm mica
Noshiro reduces Jun's torp damage but not main fleet, so that probably works against you
candid sluice
gotta get that +hit on juneau very important
trail temple
Nah, black torps are the way to go, all about torp meme build
candid sluice
blacktorp juneau new meta
dusky moth
which torps do you guys usually put on girls like shima/noshiro/yuudachi?
candid sluice
teatorps
dusky moth
what do you run the black torps with it in order for them to hit?
trail temple
If you're missing the black torps you could use the KMS ones
Black torps won't stop them from whiffing, it just gives your first set of torps to track
As well as slow them down
calm mica
Missing black torp and going with rainbow mag
dusky moth
so I got one black torp and one rainbow mag then, guess gold mag is best after?
calm mica
They won't annihilate a ship, but they'll soften up the ones that get hit, which is nice considering the buff to survival 125 gives
Probably a rainbow mag duca, black torp shima, whatever on anyone else
dusky moth
are the rainbow non-mag ones just not good to use at all then?
calm mica
not for pvp
candid sluice
suck
dusky moth
gotcha
candid sluice
only good for manuel play
dusky moth
I also didn't get duca so I'll settle for noshiro shima yuudachi VG
candid sluice
that fine
calm mica
I see. Rainbow is good on Duca because of half 2nd load. So without her, won't matter much who the rainbow is on
dusky moth
I'd probably give the british ones to shima
and yuudachiu has better torps than noshiro, so guess she'd be the one with rainbows
sour oasis
only good for manuel play
That's a question I never asked: why are there rainbow IJN torpedoes?
calm mica
What, are you buying 500 gems of oil a day? It takes less than an hour to spend 1200 oil on a 9-1 or higher stage to get better coins
candid sluice
10hr comms are utter garbage now
u can spend the same amount of oil in 12-4 and get more exp and coins in 1/10th of the time
sour oasis
I don't have an hour.
Literally just spend two hours on the game and mostly just to PvP.
candid sluice
literally sitting in 12-4 for 20mins gives more exp and coins at a better rate 
sour oasis
Better rate, but not as many.
karmic lake
sour oasis
But the 10h is convenient for when I'm at work/asleep.
You know, the time that causes me to lose tickets
candid sluice
sure but that doesnt change the fact that the rates are garbage
sour oasis
True true.
candid sluice
literally three runs of 12-4 already gives more coins than long comms
takes like 25 mins max to run it three times
and less than 1200 oil
sour oasis
Oh, the rainbow IJN torpedo.. Is that even useful for PvE?
calm mica
Not a high priority from what I've heard, but yes
candid sluice
best torps for cm
other than that not really tbh
if u manuel most of the time u gonna be using teatorps instead
sour oasis
dull hollow
well the main problem with not running the 10hr is my on-the-way up pipeline gets fucked soeedwise
i'd burn thru my 115s faster than new shitters could hit 115
calm mica
Why not just play with ships under 115?
candid sluice
yea u gotta dip down to 12-4 to use lower lvl shitters
i cant use half of my tech ships in 13-4 so im sitting in 12-4
calm mica
Barely matters what stage you farm these days
candid sluice
13-4 gives a lot more coins per run
but it takes more brain to make fleets for it
cant just toss in sub lvl100 purple destroyers in your mob fleet
candid sluice
yea those ships are somewhat strong and pretty high lvl so they able to clear
cant bring my lvl87 non retro kasumi in that fleet
also wtf lvl121 glorious
dull hollow
yoimiya gang
had to 121 her coz
of exp update
she hit 120
but only 90 affection
candid sluice
u didnt need to waste the arrays just leave her capped
dull hollow
but yoimiya
light crystal
fbm, cuz been saving Oil for W14, haven't been training them
I wanna try this spicy thing everyone seems to be using: Ancho/Shima/Duca
covert swallow
is anchorage shima duca new meta?? 
candid sluice
no longer j*neau meta
untold crater
3:1 is meta
calm mica
1:1 everyone with Manjuu NJ and Kashino
thin cosmos
I wanna try this spicy thing everyone seems to be using: Ancho/Shima/Duca
it was bad
somehow Juneau was crazy better than ancher
tall nimbus
candid sluice
was that really a surprise?
blazing crescent
I was thinking if Anchor/Luigi/Seattle could work
But after reading this, probably not.
candid sluice
yes please stop using juneau so i can win faster
light crystal
Anchorage is better over an inefficiently used Juneau
If the Juneau dies too quickly or too late, she's sorta wasting a slot anyway
sour oasis
How fast does it take to get 1M exp in 11-1 compared to 13-4? I'm tempted to drag the corpse of Shimakaze across the last mob fights in 13-4 if it's a bit faster.
calm mica
exp rate is better in 11-1, but it takes longer because you run out of mood and have to recover
18% better exp rate from what I can tell (assuming the fleet sizes you fight are the same)
candid sluice
Obv 13-4 is gonna be faster but oil to exp ratio is better in 11-1
candid sluice
say it again to her i dare u
Tf man she’s not even oathed
candid sluice
dull hollow
tfw im so vtistic that i've gone around the spectrum where I can't oath
coz i cant believe that this many bimbos would fall in love with me as i send them into literal slavery everyday
heavy seal
Hello fellow SKKs. Would like to know opinion of experienced players:
- How does Pamiat' retro affect her overall damage in pvp, i.e. switching from CL gun to DD?
- Jow does dd gun synnergize with her skill against CA/BB? Before retro she use CL gun and has skill against heavy/medium armor, but after retro she can use only DD gun and those normally weaker against medium/heavy armor even despite dd gun is more consistent dpm than cl gun. So does her retro dd guns are punishing her skill of additional damage against CA/BB, so she deal nice damage to light armor but retro negatively affect skill and thus she is bad against medium/heavy;. Or skill actually play role of compensation and thus she deal nice damage to light and skill helps her to retain nice damage against CA/BB?
candid sluice
Well dd guns are generally better to use anyways since faster fire rate = faster skill and aoa procs even tho it might seem like they’re worse than a cl gun prime example being juneau u give her a dd gun over a cl gun
And realistically your vg is not gonna do much gun wise to enemy bbs they’re gonna get melted by their secondaries before they can do significant dmg
heavy seal
So, retro doesnt punish skill coz in reality there is no much profit from skill anyway?
Wish Pamiat evasion wasnt starting from 20sec cooldown. Why couldnt they make it like 3sec after beginning of battle.
candid sluice
I mean dd guns are still strong but she’s not gonna be hitting bbs for too long because of their secondaries constantly pounding her
And you’re gonna be retroing her anyways so it doesn’t really matter tbh
heavy seal
And how is her damage against CA? Those are less sturdy
Enty evasion is so strong gimmick but, well, Pamiat wont even survive to proc her evasion...
Btw - i noticed lot of fleets use dd now like yudachi and shima. Does it making Chapayev as solid choice against such fleets with her anti-dd skill?
light crystal
Chappy? Probably not
tall nimbus
Btw - i noticed lot of fleets use dd now like yudachi and shima. Does it making ...
only if she survives
its like the aurora thing
didn't last long
light crystal
Might as well use Aurora over Chappy
And probably not enough ppl using full DD fleets anyway
And if they're using full DD fleets, u can counter them with standard Mafia + Anchorage
trail temple
I think the guy wants to be as Russian as possible with his fleet
Maybe reading too much into it
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
rich escarp
me only understand shipss pregant
trail temple
We're EN, are you implying we can read stuff?
I am not an optimist, I wouldn't do such a thing
candid sluice
read too difficult, me see bobba
light crystal
Rare full DD vg specimen
worldly cape
Is it me, or NJ never gets targetted from barrages or shelling while the other 2 backlines are still alive?
(Except against Warspite because you know)
untold crater
just you
candid sluice
just you
thin cosmos
Torp vg really don't care of survival. if they use preload+duca 2nd, it's totally ok
so trying to kill them is pretty bad idea
thin cosmos
Rare full DD vg specimen
see that video
yudachi pretty sure better than jintu due to stats
light crystal
the video cannot be seen as it can't even be played
rich escarp
you have to change the media.discordapp.net to cdn.discordapp.com
thin cosmos
now ok?
light crystal
Juneau/Duca/Jintsuu. Either Jin waifu, or somehow missing Noshiro, cuz Noshiro would be better play there
candid sluice
thin cosmos
anyway defeder won so it's not problem of jintu vs noshiro
and I'm sure jintu better
noshiro has lower torp buff
she just has additional defensive buff
light crystal
Noshiro is more reliable
tall nimbus
shimakaze better 
untold crater
Just triple Shimakaze VG and win
calm mica
Working on it. Hard to MLB 3 UR ships 
untold crater
Just use the other shimakazes as fodder
crude mortar
quartz drum
heavy seal
What backline is better - Aquila, NJ flagship, Warspite or Aquila, Riche flagship, NJ ?
glacial yarrow
warspite seems better to snipe another people backline
riche only used as fast early burst
candid sluice
return to triple bb
edgy cypress
💀
calm mica
Aquila's a good flagship
candid sluice
aquila deez nuts lmao
ionic hill
doubt
candid sluice
what tier is new orlens guys
calm mica
omega tier
candid sluice
I think I will preliminary tiering her in EX
untold crater
She buff DPS of middle ship, put anchorage middle and boom, she is O.P.
Tier EX seems to be the correct tiering
calm mica
Negates first 10 instances of damage against main fleet. Brings back CV meta 
candid sluice
Finally a ship that can make anchovy do damage
calm mica
dull hollow
coral wren
is there any exercise ship tier list that is up-to-date?
i found one but it's last updated on April
candid sluice
tierlist... bruh...
best one i can give u is this
more of a composition guide but still has those tier numbers that ppl care so much about
dapper stone
What makes seattle so good in pvp?
coral wren
is there any good non-event-limited pvp fleet composition
candid sluice
What makes seattle so good in pvp?
tankiness in offtank slot and good surface dmg
candid sluice
is there any good non-event-limited pvp fleet composition
probs smth with fdg but youre gonna struggle a lot esp without nj
coral wren
whats fdg
dapper stone
Friedrich der Große
tall nimbus
non-event probably nakaga
coral wren
naka?
tall nimbus
nagato kaga akagi
coral wren
oh
dapper stone
I wonder if Nagato/Bunnies is also good
dapper stone
hiryuu souryuu
candid sluice
hiryu soryu
coral wren
hows my exercise fleet
im hardstuck in rank 5000 and at this rate i wont be able to get rank 1000 required for the next rank
candid sluice
what does the rest of your roster look like
coral wren
hold on
candid sluice
tbh if youre running those ships i would not take pvp ranking seriously and just get your attacks in for free exp and merits
coral wren
tbh if youre running those ships i would not take pvp ranking seriously and just...
i dont really have anyone better as far as i know since im pretty new (12 days)
maybe i should start leveling up juneau
candid sluice
yeah if you just picked up the game then i recommend u dont try to climb exer ladder
youre going against new jerseys and aquilas while you only have warspite and amagi
not gonna have a fun time ill tell u that
coral wren
true
honestly
the fact that i somehow reached top 10k is a miracle
i rely on ranger and helena's RNG mostly
which is unreliable
even when i already lv 10d her skill
candid sluice
yea rng helena procs is gonna carry u in the early stages
best fleet u can assemble for now is just the highest lvl ships u have currently
slender tartan
LVL up warspite and retro her, juneau and helena. and maybe also amagi but you gonna need nagato-hiryuu if you want a IJN main fleet. that being said that fleet has been powercreed to oblivion. i would say gather up cubes for a richelieu next event. she is quite good. richelieu, warspite and maybe a perseus if she gets a rerun. and VG juneau-helena and maybe you can grind anchorage.
its probably gonna be your best bet. imo. unless we get a shinano , NJ or pasta ships rerun.
slender tartan
you cant really compete against mafia without something really similar or mirror, its just this powerful. i used to run IB. fully maxed out fully gear +13 fleet. all oathed and still i would get decimated withing mileseconds if anything went wrong. i had to change to mafia in order to compete.
coral wren
whats mafia
candid sluice
the best perma pool fleet u can make currently is nagato and friends yeah but that fleet is just strictly worse than new jersey and friends
slender tartan
NJ-AQUILA-VITTORIO.
candid sluice
mafia = new jersey aquila vitorio
and its gonna be a long while before those ships rerun
slender tartan
yy. like make a nagato fleet. nagato-amagi-hiryuu. or richy-warspite-enty. or something like that. and just strap-on. like. you really cant do anything else 
.
slender tartan
richelieu.
and she is quite good. i would rank her like A tier. S tier would be like a warspite retro and FDG imo. now bunny
bunny is different
coral wren
is bunny duo better than akagi kaga duo
slender tartan
speaking of which you could also go. nagato-akagi-kaga if you are lucky with fox mines. it would be ok as starter.
candid sluice
they should be easier since they are purple but rng is rng
slender tartan
nagato is a must if you want IJN. she is in standard so good luck with that.
candid sluice
also u gotta retrofit them which is another obstacle
also yes richeliu is a must pick up for the next event rerun
slender tartan
^^^^^
candid sluice
very good
slender tartan
give them all for richy. and make a richy-warspite-enterprise.
coral wren
when will her banner be
slender tartan
next week i think?
coral wren
do i have to run Iris/Vichya alongside her
since i dont have vichya and le triomphant only
slender tartan
you could. but you would need like cascogne , champagne or jean bart.
but its not a must
coral wren
you could. but you would need like cascogne , champagne or jean bart.
will they be on next banner too
slender tartan
usually is like richy with NJ-FDG-perseus-Warspite-Enty. but like you new so you gotta use what you got.
cascogne,champagne are PR ships so its a grind. and if you want PR i would say anchorage which is PR4 (cascognePR2,ChampangePR3). PR4 gear also are really good.
candid sluice
gascogne and champagne is a pr ship jean bart is in heavy pool
the pr ships might still be a bit ways away for u tho
just get richy and raise her asap she is powerful on her own
slender tartan
also PR1-PR2 got catch ups. and PR1 you can buy blueprints with coins. granted since you new you wont have many to spare. but the first BPs always get a discount that refreshes daily. so like buy BP's of the PR1 ship you like. since you new. monarch would be a good choice.
coral wren
tyty
coral wren
for anchorage or agir or who?
slender tartan
grind anchorage.
coral wren
so after monarch i grind anch?
slender tartan
can you access her now? or she locked?
candid sluice
do u even have enough fleet points to start grinding pr4 ships
if not just stick to pr1 ships to grind
coral wren
can you access her now? or she locked?
very locked
slender tartan
then start developing monarch
coral wren
already doing it
slender tartan
put her in PR1 catch-up as well. for PR2 do FDG
coral wren
put her in PR1 catch-up as well. for PR2 do FDG
already did
im also veerry far from fdg since i dont use iron blood ships aside from nimi chaaaan
coral wren
i have like 89 blueprints for monarch already
candid sluice
u barely have any bluepirnts for them as well so theyre kinda useless anyways
just take the pr grind slowly
slender tartan
yeah she is a grind. even if you had research points its still hell both getting her and even worse maxing her. she is too much for you now. focus on monarch and make her and max her. also warspite, and get richy no matter what.
and when you can start grind anchorage. go for it. now as far as research is concerned i would say only research PR4.
candid sluice
u have to really go out of your way to get ironblood tech points without an ironblood event going on
blueprints are what make a pr ship usable if u dont have enough to get them high dev lvl might as well not unlock em yet
thats why u should stick to pr1 ships grind for now
coral wren
is drake good
candid sluice
for pve ye
slender tartan
also like. focus on PVE a lot for early game and clearing the stages and stuff, and slowly grind. its a marathon, not a sprint. get richy next event , make monarch, lvl up warspite, maybe slap an enty or perseus if she gets a rerun. and then just strap-on. you really cant do much without pasta ships and NJ(in this meta). so dont get dragged down by it. do you exercises for exp and some merit. and wait until they either get a rerun or get powercreeped . and this comes from someone who smacked mafia fleets with IB fleets untill it works. but that just me being a masochist. do dont what i did.
candid sluice
drek is suck for pvp tho
coral wren
my pve is no problem
the only thing thats holding my pve back is lack of level
im lv 55 rn and i cant do w8 unless i reach lv 60
also
coins are scarce
candid sluice
coins will be no problem once u hit chapter 9 and up
thats where u can grind lots of em
my advice to u is get your two pve fleets together and push thru main campaign first
coral wren
i got them really good, i cleared 7-4 with ease
candid sluice
yeah then push all the way up to at least stage 12-4
for commander lvl grind u just gotta clear stages over and over again with full fleets
might as well grind ship exp while doing that
slender tartan
whats your commander lvl?
coral wren
55
slender tartan
ehh OPsi opens at 60.
candid sluice
yeah not much u can do about low oil than wait a bit
did u complete all beginner missions
and advanced too
those give some oil
coral wren
did u complete all beginner missions
both beginner and advanced already
slender tartan
did you claim the free weekly package in the shop? gives oil
candid sluice
and your canteen is max level?
coral wren
did you claim the free weekly package in the shop? gives oil
already did
coral wren
and your canteen is max level?
its upgraded as much as i could (lv 8)
slender tartan
candid sluice
ye then unfort theres not much u can do besides spending gems
wait it out for a bit
coral wren
ye then unfort theres not much u can do besides spending gems <:YorkBruh:5886297...
sounds like a stupid thing to do
candid sluice
it is what it is
oil is the major limiting factor in this game
u gotta be smart with spending it if u want it to last
thin cosmos
meta changing speed was very slow at past
but after shinano, due to upcoming URs and OP SSRlike aquila, changing fast
I could use my shinano only about 6month...
candid sluice
yeah meta been changing quite quickly recently
first aquila vitorio luigi introduction then nj and then pr4 anchovy
thin cosmos
and 12 days old newbie would need several month to get some 125 ships
so we can't expect the meta of now will hold at that time
candid sluice
yea thats why i told em to not hard focus pvp for now
doesnt even have nj so its gonna be a struggle either way
focus on progressing thru main campaign and starting operation siren first get your fleets together
then when u unlock those pvp ships u can start climbing the ladder
slender tartan
i was about to write a paragraph but salty got the words out of my mouth.
candid sluice
my explanation was pretty shit tbf u could probs explain better
thin cosmos
just ignore tier and focus on pve ships and fights with 125 pve ships
then there would be meta of that time
and you will have recource to get new meta ships
candid sluice
tierlists are kinda good to have a general understanding of a ships power but dont follow it 100%
if u need any more help for ingame feel free to hit me up
this channel aint really the place for it
dapper stone
how is this fleet? or nagato instead of ark?
dapper stone
wasnt sure if 1 less cv to buff by sirius offsets the faction buff
candid sluice
nah nuggets buff is strong
thin cosmos
I would say shima is main damage dealer
rose nebula
https://gyazo.com/4427e85eee362af253edf8df073e59af
Who would you put in the last slot here? I don't know much about pvp fleets so I don't even know if this fleet is the best one I can make or not
untold crater
warspite
rose nebula
Awesome, ty
sour oasis
Wendy's
candid sluice
wars pite
coral wren
if u need any more help for ingame feel free to hit me up
yea this channel is for pvp
untold crater
no
coral wren
thank god
dull hollow
who's wendys???
coral wren
how good is pre retro yuudachi for exer
candid sluice
not good
calm mica
Wendy's is the new meta, now that we don't need coins or gems
candid sluice
working minimum wage in wendys to buy gems to buy oil is the new meta
calm mica
Yep, 4 hours of work = 4 hours of oil to play with
Although, eventually you'll have to work a 2nd job at subway to be able to get enough chips for awakening
candid sluice
subway is a declining business you will find more success in chic fil a
ancient skiff
Does anyone here have their BBs not shoot their volley anymore after their main and your vang are down 
untold crater
ofc
the enemy VG is too close to your BBs
but they fire aux guns which is more accurate so doesnt rly matter
ancient skiff
Thing is my NJ had guns loaded for 8 secs and around 4-6 sec marks enemy duca and shimakaze were in the blue area and she still did not fire
If my vang does it they get blasted
untold crater
sounds like skill issue
light crystal
I dunno, haven't seen that sorta issue on my side I think
candid sluice
Ye sometimes my nj delays her fire for no reason sometimes
While vg was in the blue line area
untold crater
Manjuu issue
flint python
just don't lose vanguard fight 🧠
candid sluice
i am using yuckykaze but skill not lucky what am i doing wrong
calm mica
Need more anchovies
dull hollow
This already happen 4-5 times already
coz game calculates firing distance x - > y
but in pvp it's flipped but they didnt correctly flip the BB's ai to y->x
so that's why they'll always shell you even if you're point blank
coz ur Y position on the field is so far right
the game thinks they're always viable to target
flint python
is Belfast good
candid sluice
good at giving head yeah
next oxide
guys whats the META line up at pvp atm?
candid sluice
new jersey
flint python
Juneau
trail temple
Nah, NJ is only t1, remember Salty?
oblique silo
guys whats the META line up at pvp atm?
NJ VV Aquila Juneau Duca Ancho
late heath
Shimakaze replace Juneau now
gray dove
crude mortar
worldly cape
Do Tenrai have more crash dmg than XSB3C?
light crystal
Much more, yes
candid sluice
/wiki list of dive bombers
light crystal
nvm
candid sluice
by 8
light crystal
It technically has less
candid sluice
but its faster flight speed
light crystal
It has a bit less HP, so it will lose a bit more HP so it will deal less crash
The higher speed may make it take less AA dmg, so perhaps it balances itself out?
Either way, it's at least about the same crash dmg anyway
worldly cape
Then I have no idea how in mirror matches, the enemy Aquila hits far harder my backline that I do to them, even when they use 109s
candid sluice
faster flight speed = less time in aa circle
worldly cape
Maybe it's just bad RNG of where Wyvern torps drop
candid sluice
= less time getting intercepted
worldly cape
Nvm, then it's just Tenrai
candid sluice
even if plane has massive hp if it has snail flight speed it gonna get shot at more often = less hp at the end
worldly cape
All planes fly independently or the speed is the average of all planes?
candid sluice
independent
crude mortar
sour oasis
Is it gone yet?
trail temple
Sus
idle ledge
Anyone knows what happened to the EOS top 100 spreadsheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r_knLIci2XthgJ1QO0Iv-3MLiQFzzPXU6a6TcMnZKAE/edit Did it move?
oblique silo
candid sluice
purged by k*nny
crude mortar
candid sluice
agency
calm mica
Agent L reporting in 
7
trail temple
ashen lion
Who's top 10 in sandy in this season ?
untold crater
sandy server has pvp?
candid sluice
ive never heard of pvp in sandy before
untold crater
pve server
sour oasis
Is there player base growth to support Essex?
calm mica
Judging by popularity poll, they'd never make an Essex server. It'd be NJ server or some other UR
scenic falcon
whats the most used meta fleet right now for pvp?
untold crater
NJ backline Anchorage VG
untold crater
The rest you can just put your waifus
lime folio
NJ backline Anchorage VG
isnt it that with pastas still
candid sluice
bruh anchorage
sour oasis
||I would still never use Anchorage for offense||
coral wren
which one is better? akagi kaga amagi? or warspite no retrofit ranger retrofit amagi?
assuming theyre same leveled and max enhanced
coral wren
how about unicorn ranger kai and amagi
candid sluice
unicorn and ranger are not good
rich escarp
Unless you managed to get like 10 ranger procs in a row I guess
candid sluice
she is almost guaranteed to die before launching a single airstrike
light crystal
Pretty sure Ranger is capped, I think, with amount of procs anyway
And yeah, she squish
thin cosmos
finally got 200 affinity for shima and ancher and no mental chip2..
candid sluice
who did u use all your free ones on
thin cosmos
I expected same as chip 1
it had 150 income per day
but now chip2 has almost no income
I made pve ships for 125 like submarines
candid sluice
yeah your daily chip2 income is 9 lmao
only major sources was the limited event and your fleet tech trees
core shop also sells a pathetic amount
candid sluice
they are severely limiting the chip2 income we get
im hoping they sell a good amount in event shop
but its probs gonna be like only 100 or smth
thin cosmos
anyway about torp, I see maget works pretty good
I could see quite a lot of torp delivered to back line
calm mica
which one is better? akagi kaga amagi? or warspite no retrofit ranger retrofit a...
Wait, when did we get retrofit amagi?
sour oasis
candid sluice
flint sun
o I beat the full oathed anchorage duca meta fleet with the same ships except instead of ancho I used seattle
idk who "arsh" is
btw do people put manjuu on nj?
solid scroll
would a taihou - nagato - katsuragi backline work better in pvp than what i have currently? which is enterprise - hood - unicorn
flint sun
unicorn pointless in pvp
I guess with those you can just level who you want with free pvp exp
solid scroll
is there any problem with using triple dd's in pvp?
thin cosmos
they just have a problem =juneau is CL
but usually IJN DD very good when you have shinano+nagato
candid sluice
depends on the destroyers
solid scroll
but usually IJN DD very good when you have shinano+nagato
so its fine if i manage to snag shinano in her possible rerun?
candid sluice
but yea they are squish without nano support
solid scroll
i cant get ayanami yet because i dont have jav
candid sluice
do you have shimakaze
solid scroll
yeah my vanguard is shima yuki and z23
thin cosmos
you can farm yudachi at 6-4
and she has stats and skill between yuki and shima so definitly strong ship
since they are very dependent on torp, you might have to reroll in bad luck but you can win most teams with reroll
about shinano, I don't think it will be in 1year and meta gonna change before rerun
solid scroll
about shinano, I don't think it will be in 1year and meta gonna change before re...
isn't there going to be a build only UR appear this year? it was not specified if it was a new one or not so im assuming it is shinano rerun
glacial yarrow
it m8 be new UR though
solid scroll
4 new UR in a year seems kinda outrageous
thin cosmos
yeah power inflation so rapid
flint sun
hopefully 213 
is enough
coral wren
she is almost guaranteed to die before launching a single airstrike <:YorkBruh:5...
amagi is the one who always dies first
since shes the flagship
and enemy barrages are always at the center
and enemy warspite always targets her for some reason
but im developing my akagi kaga
but juding from what others say
i think ill be better with akagi kaga amagi in the long run than ranger amagi warspite or ranger amagi unicorn
candid sluice
ranger is still fragile asf
candid sluice
akaga at least has quick launch skill so they can get off airstrike before dying
coral wren
as for my vanguard fleet
its currently portland z23 (both retrofit) helena (not yet)
who can yuudachi replace
candid sluice
nimi
flint sun
do people put manjuu on nj?
candid sluice
some ppl do
candid sluice
dont use her pre retro
coral wren
oh
that wont be an easy task
but ill do my best
t2 retro blueprints arent that easy to get
wait
are my odds of getting rarer retro blueprints higher as the world goes up
for example
im more likely to get retro blueprints at w7 than w5?
thin cosmos
you mean higher zone?
higher zone=higher grade prints
and you need gold one I think?
so highest zone better
coral wren
yeah
the problem is uh
i have so many golds
but not enough t2
the second level is purple right?
solid scroll
the second level is purple right?
yeah, just combine the t1s into t2s if you have plenty of those
solid scroll
oof
thin cosmos
then go to low level zone
solid scroll
what zone has the highest chance of getting t2
uh probably w3/4/5
candid sluice
what stage are u doing currently
coral wren
i can do 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 hard mode
candid sluice
i get way more gold prints in higher worlds so if youre looking for purple prints try lower worlds
coral wren
but not 8 yet because im not enough level
candid sluice
be warned u dont get as much core data from lower worlds
candid sluice
so if u care about core data u should do higher worlds anyways
coral wren
but i know for certain that its gonna be important in the future
candid sluice
u still have a chance to get purple prints from higher
yea u will need a lotta cores early on
coral wren
i want to get super heavy shell
solid scroll
same
coral wren
it increases crit chance
i already have the crit dmg shell
wait
what things are worth buying from core shop
solid scroll
candid sluice
black white bullets are priority for newer players
independence also balls busted ship but only when retro
solid scroll
black white bullets are priority for newer players
should i buy oxy torp before independence for my shima 
candid sluice
basically helps your ships during the hit check
coral wren
whats a hit check
candid sluice
when u shoot ships they have a chance to evade it
candid sluice
should i buy oxy torp before independence for my shima <:WarZoom:771757087092244...
depends what your priorities are tbh
candid sluice
so the higher the Hit the more chance to evade?
nono the higher hit the higher chance u have of actually damaging the ship u target
solid scroll
im getting the shells first before i get that tho
candid sluice
also helps in w14 bcus that world is eva hell
coral wren
nono the higher hit the higher chance u have of actually damaging the ship u tar...
ohh it affects the enemies evasion
trail temple
btw do people put manjuu on nj?
Only those that blindly follow CN or Famine or just wanna be memelords
candid sluice
ohh it affects the enemies evasion
yes better chance of u hitting the enemy
think of it as accuracy stat
well it is accuracy lmao
game cant decide whether to call that stat hit or accuracy
coral wren
candid sluice
if u care about the meth behind it u can check the formulas in wiki
but basically more hit more chance of hitting enemy more eva more chance of dodging damage
coral wren
i see i see
crude mortar
trail temple
if u care about the meth behind it u can check the formulas in wiki
Care to share your drug stash with me?
candid sluice
Care to share your drug stash with me?
theres a loose brick behind the gas station off of interstate 11 try checking there
quartz drum
thin cosmos
yeah due to fast speed, shima has pretty good survival rate
untold crater
zz that VG does no dmg
trail temple
weird flex
lime folio
vocal plover
whats the thing that can be a big factor for winning in pvp?
coral wren
theres just so many possible factors affecting dps
but most importantly
if you can kill them fast without dying fast
and theres just so many variables on that
how each ship's abilities complement each other
what gear they use
ability levels
how certain fleet compositions counter another
its not exactly straightforward as in "whos stronger"
it can be a rock scissors paper
although who has higher stats is also important
vocal plover
and fleet power has nothing to do with all of thats right?
coral wren
it kinda does
but not for certain
also forgot to mention
some ships have RNG abilities
and whether they trigger or not is down to luck
if youre new to pvp
theres one thing you should absolutely beware
lv 125 1:1 fleets
vocal plover
can we overcome rng with if its not proc than leave the battle and try again?
coral wren
they have deceptively low fleet power
coral wren
can we overcome rng with if its not proc than leave the battle and try again?
ive never left a battle before, too scared to try
but most likely itll count as a loss if you leave
can anyone else confirm/deny this
vocal plover
ah so its cost too alright then
coral wren
what do u mean?
vocal plover
its still cost this right if we leave the battle?
tender zinc
Need a quick hand,
Im prettty sure i have these 2 equipped right, but i feel like 1 is meant to have a ap gun. And if so what one? (I dont have the rainbow one)
tender zinc
its still cost this right if we leave the battle?
It dont cost if you leave the battle before it concludes.
candid sluice
its still cost this right if we leave the battle?
If you pause and exit it does not consume a ticket
candid sluice
and fleet power has nothing to do with all of thats right?
Fleet power only indicates what kind of equipment they’re using and if they’re +13 or not
candid sluice
whats the thing that can be a big factor for winning in pvp?
Fleet composition and equipment choice
candid sluice
Need a quick hand,
Im prettty sure i have these 2 equipped right, but i feel lik...
Give New Jersey the twin 457 and pass the mk7 to vitorio instead
tender zinc
Give New Jersey the twin 457 and pass the mk7 to vitorio instead
What if other way around?
candid sluice
What if other way around?
Nah New Jersey wants to spam her barrages so she gets 457
And if you’re gonna be using other Italians with vitorio she is most likely gonna shoot the vg therefore HE ammo is used on her
tender zinc
Fair, i do wanna ask tho, would nj be better with the ap gun? (Im lazy and dont wanna swap gear eveeytime for pvp) i use her against boses
candid sluice
Well ammo type in pve is highly dependent on what you’re gonna fight
If the boss is light armor then AP is clearly bad there
But strong when against medium or heavy
lime folio
You need HE for enemy VG on pvp
light crystal
Nah, 128mm is better Dd gun for NJ on PvP
And yes, 457 is better, to spam more barrages, and to hit backline really hard
candid sluice
the guy is already using 128 on nj
candid sluice
and thats why i said to give vitorio the mk7 when swapping it off of nj
lime folio
and thats why i said to give vitorio the mk7 when swapping it off of nj
I'm agreeing with you 
candid sluice
glad we're on the same page
lime folio
vocal plover
is points gained much bigger if we fought higher level player/ships?
light crystal
No
vocal plover
so its all same even though lv 1 ships
vocal plover
ah i see thanks
light crystal
So once you reach Rear Admiral, the only way you get more than say, 10 base points, is to fight a guy that has 35 more points than you. Which is usually the most left position of the 4 you're matched up against
vocal plover
so if we fought someone that have less points or equal than you, youre not getting any points?
light crystal
So say you got 1,000 points, if you want to get 11 instead of 10, the guy you win against must be at 1035 points or higher. If you want 12 points, they must be at 1071 points and higher, if you want 13 points, 1105 points at higher, etc
At that rank though, you usually only get +11's at best. You usually build up the lead in the first 4 or so days of a new season start.
light crystal
so if we fought someone that have less points or equal than you, youre not getti...
You do, but less
Say you got 1000 points, but fight someone with 999 points, instead of +10 for winning, you get 9 points instead. If they're 965 points, you get 8 instead of 10, and so on.
vocal plover
um where you can see someone points? ladderboard?
light crystal
It's guesstimation
Like I said, the guy at the left-most position has the hgihest of the four in the matchmaking. So say it goes like this [Rank 150] [Rank 500] [Rank 550] [Rank 600]. If you're at rank 525, it's safe to assume the guy at Rank 150 will give you +1 for winning. If you fight the guy at rank [550], you will get -1 points for winning.
candid sluice
only way to know for sure how many points someone has is either look on leaderboards or ask them
sour oasis
um where you can see someone points? ladderboard?
Typically,if you fight someone off the top 100 leaderboard, if you haven't asked them what their points are for their rank you just have to guess what their points are.
The bonus of fighting defenses with higher level ships is more exp after the fight (if your ships can take the exp)
vocal plover
naruhodo naruhodo
untold crater
NJ
calm mica
Meta is this more or less
bronze hedge
Meta is this more or less
dont have anchorage what ship should i use?
candid sluice
new nerjsey
calm mica
Juneau
candid sluice
anhchor replace juneau
bronze hedge
Meta is this more or less
how dyou reach that high power? +13 ?
calm mica
Yeah, almost all stuff is +13
bronze hedge
btw what bb gun do you use on nj and vv?
calm mica
457 and rainbow HE thing
bronze hedge
do you use hsfcr or black bullet?
calm mica
NJ is HPFCR/Manjuu VV is SG/White
light crystal
Meta is this more or less
Is it tho? Hmmm
calm mica
Well, you can substitute some stuff and have it still work
light crystal
I think meta implies everyone is using, right? 🤔
Like, I'm using it, cuz it's fun and so far reliable, but it hasn't quite caught on yet
candid sluice
not necessarily everyone using it
calm mica
By that logic, just sticking in your waifus is meta. Meta implies highest winrate
bronze hedge
isnt meta mean Most Effective Tactic Avaible
light crystal
NJ is HPFCR/Manjuu VV is SG/White
Manjuu NJ 
calm mica
Who else you putting it on? Anchorage and her peashooter?
light crystal
Who else you putting it on? Anchorage and her peashooter?
Anchorage and her peashooter.
candid sluice
duca takes rainbow magnet
calm mica
I'd say it doesn't matter too much
light crystal
Imagine sacrificing DPS like a fool for no real gains 
calm mica
DPS in a game where you shoot once every 20 seconds
calm mica
It's a non-issue anyways. Most of NJ's damage doesn't even scale with FP anyways. It's just straight barrage skill level
light crystal
And better make every shot count and deal dmg, rather than live for 8s longer, then promptly die, and only being "useful'" if you manage to shoot within said 8s 
light crystal
Once you really disseminate the usefulness of Manjuu on NJ you realize it's useless beyond a specific kind of scenario, rather than focus on pure DPS instead
calm mica
Just trying to help some guy out and you're nitpicking every little thing anyone suggests
and offer no help
candid sluice
you should tell him what white shell does
light crystal
I'm enlighten people of why Manjuu on NJ is bad idea, and so far you haven't come up with a counter point, that's all
light crystal
you should tell him what white shell does
Better ask Quyet that one
bronze hedge
SG is what?
calm mica
SG radar
light crystal
White shell doesn't actually increase crit damage on barrage
Let's ignore her having like 700 FP, high Main gun Eff, and reload due to HPFCR+457 then
bronze hedge
for the hit stat ?
calm mica
HPFCR stacks additively to VV's skill, so if she loads 95% faster, she hits smokescreens too much
yep, hit and evasion
candid sluice
sg hit + eva very good combo on bb
light crystal
UR SG when.
sour oasis
Before UR AA
calm mica
UR AA is a myth
sour oasis
duca takes rainbow magnet
Did tea torpedo (and black magnet) fall out of favor already?
calm mica
If only it wasn't event locked
sour oasis
~~UR AA is a myth~~
But I want my rainbow DD to have all rainbow gear
In time, the archives will have it. (And only the tryhard will farm it as usual)
light crystal
Did tea torpedo (and black magnet) fall out of favor already?
Was it ever tho?
I rather have spread out landmines than conga line slow moving train.
calm mica
That's military tactics 101. If you delete 1 of their ships (especially main fleet) it'll give you a huge advantage being 6v5
The only problem is now they're likely to get aimed at vanguard and get led astray
Definitely more impact with teatorps, but way more luck dependent
candid sluice
Did tea torpedo (and black magnet) fall out of favor already?
on luigi i prefer magtorps
calm mica
Yep, no RNG at all. Just have the higher stats
trail temple
trail temple
You want me to feed you, so I had to make an easy fleet for you
Can't have you losing to an alt now can I?
worldly cape
Manjuu NJ is the same as wanting to use Hiryuu, but staying on the meta
light crystal
Except Manjuu kills u after 8s are up, and the window to get anything done within said 8s is slim
calm mica
Exactly. Manjuu is useless. Let's run Gyros instead
oblique silo
VH armor Manjuu NJ>>>>>
trail temple
That damage reduction tho, so goooood
thin cosmos
magnet works pretty bad in offense due to short range
also it has longer targeting range, so higher chance to target VG
candid sluice
guys is le terribruh good in pvp??
light crystal
Dunno, how about you ask deez nuts
candid sluice
Is deez nuts one of the tier list pwofessionals??
trail temple
Nah, just a manjuu nj user
candid sluice
ah so a credible source
tough estuary
candid sluice
drake... bruh...
candid sluice
all power to u but make sure u know she is suck
light crystal
I would at least make sure Anchorage's the one face tanking, and not Drake
calm mica
Time to run Libeccio/Shimakaze/Anchorage VG to send the children off to die
dull hollow
wtf 3
untold crater
??
light crystal
Meanwhile been at 49/50 for a bit 
candid sluice
imagine no tenrai
light crystal
imagine no aquila
candid sluice
one is skill issue one is luck issue big diff
light crystal
calm mica
Why'd I have to put all my points into skill and none into luck
Can I reroll my stats somewhere?
vocal plover
i always get smacked when i fought nj shinano fleet, any tips to counter or something?
candid sluice
Torpedo the nj
vocal plover
she weak to torps?
vocal plover
i think yes cuz idk whats the meta are
but im doing fine with other fleet except nj shinano
candid sluice
Everything is weak to torpedo if you hit enough of them
light crystal
but im doing fine with other fleet except nj shinano
Tier 0: NJ, Juneau, Ancho and Aquila
Tier 1: Shima, Duca, VV, YKKZ, FDG, Richy, Seattle
Tier 2: The other known good IJN ships (Nagato, Hiryuu, Shinano, Hakuryuu, Naganami, Noshiro, Ibuki, Azuma, Suzutsuki, etc), Agir, WK, Independence
Tier 3: Everyone else that makes sense; Has high stats, great Skills and Synergies (So Mainz, Leipzig, Birmingham, Maestrale, SandiKai, Etc).
Tier 4: Everyone else that's left (So like 60-70% of the other girls).
It's an overview. Girls like Wales and Marco Polo are also good, for example.
vocal plover
ah i see thanks
candid sluice
bruh... tierlist...
tall nimbus
t0 ancho 
flint python
t0 anchorage pepelaff
light crystal
||At least I didn't put NJ T1||
Ultimately, their mileage varies based in team composition and gear, but the no bren units are: NJ, AQL, Jun and Ancho
tall nimbus
id be more willing to put shimakaze as the no bren unit instead of ancho
light crystal
Basically the cores if u want to make good teams, and stabilize them with Tier ones
tall nimbus
unless we're literally talking about ancho being no bren
light crystal
Shimakaze still just a torp bote with RNG tacked in, alleviated by having triple set of torps and good barrage, together with a higher than average eHP for a DD (Tho all DD's got their eHP buffed cuz of the Eva stat buff). Oh yeah, I guess also helps pad Speed.
Ancho is no bren cuz u put her face tanking, chances are she will make your whole VG tankey as well (And overall tankier than any other option). Ultimately, you do want your VG to last longer than than the other guy's for higher chance of victory, so
tall nimbus
crash memes to smack that trash to the ground
light crystal
Good ol doctrine: Have your VG tank/support, so your backline farms dmg.
tall nimbus
pretty much the reason saltyarrow's team puts up a challenge even without aquila when i was testing anchorage
tall nimbus
before level 125
i've pretty much given up on anchorage at that time
until shimakaze came and made the ancho + shima + duca team
but juneau still way better than ancho in that team so she didn't last long
flint python
Anchorage sucks
candid sluice
you guys are ruining the propaganda
make ppl think anchovy is good so they put her on defense u get free win
thin cosmos
today I tested magnets and sadly it couldn't take any victory at defense, so recovered as bad
it had quite good rate of reaching back line but not enough damage