pvp

[quartz drum]

my rank di atas

[candid sluice]

jadi why u attack lower

[light crystal]

Why didn't you go lower for him so he shouldn't need to take 9's from you is the question

I thought doctor prescribed you to be food!

[candid sluice]

i am lower score than him

and he never asked for me to move so i didnt

[light crystal]

U should instinctively know when to move when someone needs it tho

[candid sluice]

sorry i havent opened my third eye yet

[light crystal]

[trail temple]

Salty trying to activate his third eye for pvp is like trying to pre-empt a fart and you end up soiling yourself instead

It ends horribly

[light crystal]

Sounds like you've had a dark and soily past there.

[sour oasis]

Stop. No skidmarking here.

We have tongues. We can use them to communicate instead of farting and throwing feces.

||||

[quartz drum]

gabut

[candid sluice]

makes sense

[trail temple]

Talking about natural bodily functions in a certain area

Using tongues

[trail temple]

Keep your fantasies to yourself please

[lime rivet]

[candid sluice]

did amagi just beat avrora in eos score

[karmic forum]

how the turntables

[untold crater]

luck game

[light crystal]

Helenas, instead of Anchos/Seattles? The fuck borked server's that

[calm mica]

Helena probably is best on defense just to fish out more resets out of people

[tall nimbus]

there's just too much of that team in amagi

they're not even that good

[untold crater]

I just lvl Shima in pvp

[candid sluice]

one too many lenas on ladder recently

40% aint enough to carry the absolute waste of slot she is

[light crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466250908682944522/891939568310419486/890974858589114418.gif

[flint sun]

Yeah I can't beat this

[covert swallow]

[flint sun]

They do so much fucking damage at the beginning

[untold crater]

Use torpedo bulge

[flint sun]

Ok I beat them on like the 6th try smfh

Same backlines except my aquila not oathed

[covert swallow]

use your own anchorage

[flint sun]

I am tryna get her

I can't believe I had to resort to my 120s instead of having my ark royal in for leveling

Also is manjuuneau best in front?

[untold crater]

Manjuu on Juneau? Do u even have ships alive at that point?

[flint sun]

Well, I always wondered if manjuu extra time meant infinite damage worth of face tanking but I could be wrong

[untold crater]

Problem is other vg can still take dmg and die while Juneau manjuu active

And mostly they do die from my experience

[tall nimbus]

dodge dem torps with speedybois yuki+suzu

[flint sun]

I currently use noshiro, Duca and Juneau in front (or swap noshiro for Seattle for easier battles, since she's not maxed)

[flint sun]

Literally 1 second off

[covert swallow]

matcha

[candid sluice]

[idle ledge]

How do people make so much more points with the first 10 attacks? I was relogging, refreshing and picking leftmost yet 17 points diff...

[untold crater]

they battled people that were a lot more points than them

its not just attacking leftmost, you also need to wait for them to move

[calm mica]

Yep. It's probably more than 17 points btw. If I used the 2 I had left, would be at 260. All about keeping track of their score compared to yours using the leaderboard

[late heath]

For the first 3 reset, click reset the moment new reset begin so you get rushers on your list

And generally, for those first 3 reset, you’ll get enough rusher back to back to blow through all 5 per reset before it slowing down

But that mean staying up around 2-3 AM on central time and sometimes you fell asleep

Like me

[calm mica]

Yep, gotta stay for that hardcore bagging

[light crystal]

Teabag the baggers.

[candid sluice]

if u dont have at least 140 after the first reset you are already behind

[jaunty finch]

meanwhile my leftmost player was rank 7900 💯 💯

[light crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/889971682847109170/ezgif-3-750df6f38f88.gif

[candid sluice]

u gotta do your tickets so u dont end up with a 5k+ player leftmost

[jaunty finch]

💯

whats the benefit of rushing, dont you lose out on points

[candid sluice]

u rush the rushers so u get paired up against other rushers

only on the first day tho

[jaunty finch]

this is stonks

[spark locust]

what's better for aquila?

fighter in second slot

or dive bomber?

[covert swallow]

Db

Preload is what's important

[sour oasis]

Preload. It's what's for breakfast.

[candid sluice]

preload is what makes her relevant

[untold crater]

aql heal is what matters the most

[dull hollow]

Preload deez

[calm mica]

Extra airstrike and RLD 🚮 25% HP tho 😩

[candid sluice]

time to rush pvp botes to lvl125

[north vine]

not having 3m exp on pvp botes

[candid sluice]

they enter retirement home after hitting 120

[rocky shadow]

When the 125 lvl come?

[light crystal]

Thursday

[dull hollow]

time to spam

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/889971682847109170/ezgif-3-750df6f38f88.gif

to all the 120 players

[flint sun]

If only I had 2 Aquilas, I'd use one of them for PvP and the other for OpSi

And I won't need to use Sanfran for healing anymore

[stable dawn]

people use AQL to heal?

[untold crater]

ppl don't use aql to heal?

[frosty topaz]

have the new aimed torps mechanic fucked with pvp builds at all

[worldly cape]

Yes and no

They made HMS torp defense fleets less dangerous to face

And in offense they work a bit better, so it balanced out

Also I think that even if we have ships on 120/0, after the patch they might be set for 121 by how they'll change the experience curve between 100 and 120

[karmic forum]

You'd probably still need to uncap them

[worldly cape]

I mean that current ships at 120/0 might be at 120 with carried over EXP from the curve adjustment

[karmic forum]

Ah, I got that now.

[sour oasis]

And that's going to eat all the gold everyone spent on the build...

[dapper island]

What gear should I be using for pvp? I have been using just normal gear from the tier list but is that the best for pvp too?

[untold crater]

no

[candid sluice]

what tierlist are u looking off of

pve and pvp equipment are vastly different

[worldly cape]

There's a rumor that the EXP needed to go from 100 to 125 might be 200k more than the current 100 to 120

Or it's something that missed on translation, here's the source https://twitter.com/reikurozuki/status/1442988030617260034

霊黒月 (@reikurozuki)

信憑性50%の情報によって
メンテ後125までの経験値が今の120までのより20万多い

微妙
個人的に数百万と思ってた
また分からないので待ってます

Twitter · Sep 28, 2021, 11:02 PM

[elder crane]

Just use percy smh Aql healing too slow anyways for opsi clearing

[untold crater]

for pvp not opsi

for opsi i use arizona for healing

[elder crane]

healing in PvP

as if fights aren't over before 40 s

[untold crater]

you must be new

[elder crane]

No, I checked, this ain't a meme server

[untold crater]

could've fooled me

[crude mortar]

@elder crane you dont use aquila healing in pvp are you new to this game?

[elder crane]

wait sorry so this is a meme server

[calm mica]

That post is in Chinese. They already need less exp, wouldn't be surprised if they went easy on that version

Though, it was mentioned that the pre-120 curve is also getting adjusted, so it's probably less than the ~2.5m exp original estimate. Might be closer to ~1m exp or so to 125

[light crystal]

That's also true

Who knows, maybe they're making it easier overall for CN, but fucking over JP/EN. Tbh tho, I rather want a challenge than EZ Lane, so I'd be ifne either way 🤔

[worldly cape]

Currently we need 4.3m and 5.1m EXP for level 120, I guess for 125 they could go with 4.75m and 6m so they can pick that as a base for an eventual level 130 cap

[jaunty finch]

level 130
no more plz

[thin cosmos]

what is meaning for 125 if same xp needed as 120 of now? I expect more than million xp would be needed for 120 of now

they said ships will keep their xp not level

so all 120 ships for now would start with some xp

[candid sluice]

nice shouldnt take more than 3 hours

[light crystal]

Yo, Poi Kai might actually be pretty damn good in PvP

Color me gae

[dull hollow]

125 is to prep for 130

which they wont give stored exp for

they gave out free 125s to everyone to soften blow

[analog anvil]

Not all of my ships are 125, but they're close. That being said my Perseus is ready for 130 since she's been on opsi duty day 1

[north vine]

use your exp packs

[dull hollow]

wtf

[candid sluice]

with new exp changes all my ships hit 125 for free

[dull hollow]

they made the planes

look

less chibi

????

why

[worldly cape]

Thanks fleet tech, I got my whole PvP team to 125

[candid sluice]

yea skinny planes

they went on a diet

[dull hollow]

i liked my fat planes

[candid sluice]

real question 125 juneau or nah?

[dull hollow]

i spent all my shits on rainbow and gold carries

and 1 randomly langley

to see if I get more reload

idk if I did or not

i cant read jp text

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

non125 juneau it is

[light crystal]

I'm ready for 130

Actually, fuck it. I ain't using any of my Chips2 till they release W14 later this year

I got this sneaking suspicion 130 cap will come out along with it

I don't wanna be caught with pants down and out of chips mk2 to 130 my ships with and going against 130 fleets with my 125's

[elder crane]

5% evarate only fixes her abysmal luck though
effectively 82 luck for eHP now which is only above avg
isn't a ykkz with 98 luck, that's for sure

I think ykkz ends up higher or on par evarate lmao in PvP due to that despite like 100 less evasion

[light crystal]

@elder crane You gonna be conservative with 125'ing ships as well? In case they dump W14 and 130 cap on us later in the year?

[elder crane]

Imma only 125 PvP and core PvE carry ships atm ye til I get a bank

cause the rate seems shit on mk2 chips

9/day on daily lmao

if there's enough gain from other sources to make it reasonable maybe I'll be more liberal

[light crystal]

You don't need 125 ships anyway for any content (other than peeveepee lol). I think HM12 should be doable with T0-1 ship, even if not all 125

So therefore, I'll be conservative for as long as possible outside PvP as well

[elder crane]

but gotta flex those META kills

[light crystal]

I'll take my 2-3 daily battles like a pleb, idgaf kek

[worldly cape]

What I like of the current PvP meta is all the ships are also core in PvE

[light crystal]

I just got creative while building my HM12 and put a couple myself lol

I suppose I could 125 Richy too, she's used in triple BB comps

[north vine]

slapping all T0-1 is creativity

[elder crane]

cough juneau

also I wouldn't say core of VV or Duca either

[worldly cape]

Implying anybody uses Juneau with Anchorage/Duca/Noshiro

[elder crane]

VV or Duca are like second tier options for PvE

which is more than enough, but not really core

Also you can never escape Juneau

+25% HP for main too stronk

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/893152604400529418/unknown.png

Yeah guys, hold unto your ChipsMk2 for peeveepee

Be wise with usage, cuz it's gonna be rough for the foreseeable future, unless Manju-chan goes full generous kek

[candid sluice]

if only there was pve content hard enough to need lvl125s

[sour oasis]

More than 3 times a day

[elder crane]

I guess you can now go 1-shot c6 abyssals more?

and/or not care so much about adapt

[candid sluice]

well u still have their abilities to worry about

[sour oasis]

I'm holding onto my 120 ships until I figure out what to conserve when it comes to raising the cap (also I'm out of gold from getting my pity Shim). 120 vs 125 not too bad in PvP.

[light crystal]

10 resets later

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[midnight heron]

so increasing lvl cap is to just waste our coins

[candid sluice]

pretty much

but at least its cheaper than 120 awakening

[sour oasis]

I've only reset once in a fight I expected no resets from.

The equipment cap is still +13, and that seems the biggest boost.

[midnight heron]

its cheap but at the same time all this talk about chips2 being scarce af

[candid sluice]

for now at least yea

new resource ofc we gonna start with limited amount

[sour oasis]

It's 150 chips to raise an SR and you should start with 1500 or so (plus get more from Lecture & hard).

That's more than enough to get your core 7 PvP navy updated (presuming you have the gold)

[midnight heron]

yea i dont see any point in 125ing any pve ships

[candid sluice]

only for big number in meta fights

[sour oasis]

Or hard node requirements.

[late heath]

225 for DR

[spark locust]

pasta cooked to 125

[candid sluice]

Don’t forget to add salt

[rocky shadow]

Exp for 120 to 125 not that much tho

I think around 3 milion you can get 125 easily

[worldly cape]

In my case I did focus in leveling my fleet tech, so that was enough to have my whole PvP fleet plus my Wolfpack for 125

At least the chip cost isn't that massive, so could be like a UR a week and 2 SR a week easily

[alpine finch]

25 days per UR afaik if we only have 9 per day

[calm mica]

I'm just gonna let my pvp fleet sit at 124 until they level naturally up to 125

Not even gonna bother spending arrays on non pvp. No point to it since fleet tech bonus is still 120

[worldly cape]

It's weird, because when my ships go to 125 there's more stat bonuses

But might be a bug, idk

[candid sluice]

Yea it is a bug

All your prev 120 tech got deleted and only re added once u uncap to 125

[crude mortar]

did mod quit this channel

[empty owl]

Um any recommendations for equipment?

[candid sluice]

sexbofors over that aa gun

[candid sluice]

apply for mod urself and be the hall monitor of this channel

[obsidian kite]

Are torp memes still effective?

For attack

[light crystal]

A better AA weapon (STAAG, or Sextuple Bofor), either Drakegun or her own gun (Cheshgun), Quad magnetic torps, or rainbow rainbow magnetic, and +10 those Auxes.

[light crystal]

Yes, but still RNG-boud, so do at your risk and RNG tolerance level.

[empty owl]

Thank you

[flint sun]

oops

lv 125 ships look so much more intimidating in pvp

[jaunty finch]

funny how fast 120 looks like trash

[worldly cape]

Because something called level penalty

[quartz drum]

testing and menang tpi i retreat @candid sluice

[candid sluice]

nais

[sour oasis]

125 only hurts newbies
Are other non-Avrora servers seeing tryhard defenses?

[quartz drum]

@candid sluice menang terus

[candid sluice]

clearing opsi

[sour oasis]

Why is Juneau 125?

[dull hollow]

z23 vibe check

this is now a honkai chat

[frigid grove]

Do I need to change my Aux gear?(off-flag)

[stable dawn]

lowkey tenrai flex

[flint python]

not +13 not oath

[frigid grove]

too poor

[empty owl]

Would anyone be willing to help me with my front line?

Mostly just equipment setup

[elder crane]

other stuff being 125 means she dies on time
also 125 means slightly higher consistency too due to more eHP increase than damage increase

[sour oasis]

I would like my Juneau to die just a bit earlier

[elder crane]

gimp her aux then smh
or run better other ships

[candid sluice]

what r u using right now

[empty owl]

Dido Cheshire and Neptune

[empty owl]

Sorry the images won’t send right now

[candid sluice]

ill tell u right now that frontline is far from optimal but if you insist on using them, chesh takes triple234 (or twin234 if u dont have) and put a few more boilers bcus that vg is hella slow

also give didi twin128

[empty owl]

I’m getting drake soon I hope

[candid sluice]

drake is terrible for pvp lol

[untold crater]

hms is terrible for pvp in general

[candid sluice]

thats why i said far from optimal

[rich escarp]

Been a while since I've been in here. How is shima for pvp?

like she doesn't seem to have any defensive skills, so I'm weighing her versus seattle

[light crystal]

She does have a DR of like 12%

Good HP too for a DD

Also, she's good overall, as far as torp botes go for pvp anyway, cuz of high Torp, self dmg buff + triple preload

[rich escarp]

I was worried if I just threw her on I would have outed myself as some kind of super noob

[elder crane]

untested atm afaik for just how good she can be, or how you should run her

[calm mica]

Fairly certain she's not viable as anything other than torp meme member

[light crystal]

She's been usable since about a week in if anyone cared to speed raise her with both skills at lv 7, at the least

Takes 10 days to +10 2 skills

Todo has been testing her too

[elder crane]

obviously but semitorpmemes was very legit before and full torpmemes wasn't too bad

[light crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGBFWPoYgg

[elder crane]

is not exactly facing an optimized team, and Azuma already can get smacked by just Aql alone pretty much so
we'll need to see once testers can find proper defenses to test vs

[covert swallow]

I've been using Shima along with anchorage and duca. She does quite a lot

[elder crane]

poi btw is also maybe legit consideration for torpteams, post-retro I'm pretty sure she's up close to/around ykkz tankiness
I doubt it but really hard to say

[light crystal]

A cursory look at her stats and Skills would tell her she's top tier, as far as torp memes are concerned. And workable enough to use in variant comps too

[elder crane]

ye if Naganami for example worked then she should just work better in that slot for the most part, it seems

[light crystal]

DoggoKai will also be top tier. Also, she has good guns on top of her torps, so she will also be very good

[elder crane]

her guns won't matter much for PvP

[light crystal]

True, but it will help

[elder crane]

also do note missing out on stacking torps means her second launch will be delayed

[calm mica]

It'll help about as much as a squirt gun

[elder crane]

by a good amt if not lead

[light crystal]

If she's able to bring down low enough HP targets, that adds consistency and makes more comfortable overall with RNG

[calm mica]

Vanguard guns do nearly nothing. They're good for picking off 1 HP burn targets. You need good hits from main fleet to do real damage

Even secondary from main fleet will outdamage them

[covert swallow]

Ik this doesn't mean much. But this is around the damage my Shima does each fight

Usually 20k~ ish

[light crystal]

If she outdamages Duca, that's really reassuring.

[tall nimbus]

but duca probably running defensive aux while shima is running rainbow torps aux

[covert swallow]

That is true

[light crystal]

Mine runs defensive aux and only rainbow mags to do 15-20k average

[tall nimbus]

[slender tartan]

so i see a lot of people using the new PR4 IB plane on Aquila. is it better on her than a sea hornet or a tigercat? also, on Duca i used to run the old UR torps (553 quint magnetic now given to yuki) and an UR oxygen torp for aux (now given to shimikaze). would the new quint 610 torps alongside 553 magnetic aux be better? or would the HMS gear lab ones be an even better option cuz i also see them a lot on her?

[light crystal]

Might wanna run STAAF or Sex Bofor on Duca instead. Also, probably use Hornet. 109G's are nice to do DMG with to the VG, but they tend to be not as effective with Anchorage. So might as well run Hornet, that are good at everything (109G don't intercept planes, and Hornet at least do, on top of doing nutty Crach DMG and good dmg with 1k pounders). As for Duca, I've always ran Quint Mags and defensive Aux, and she's been doing work for me on Attack, very reliable.

[slender tartan]

23/25 on a STAAG for her. probably gonna have one within a few days. aside that what defensive aux would be a good option for duca (aside a rudder being one of the two aux)? beaver is on VV alongside a rudder (dont have a maxed out SG radar or a HPFCR and even if i did have a HPFCR with ancho slowly being a thing that would probably end up making her fire on her smoke). aside than i got cosmic steps ready as you can see, a boiler +10 which i sometimes put on juneau alongside her pearl tear on attack (usually i have her with HPAR/Pearl). and yuki gets rudder/Celestial body (i got a UR oxygen torp standing by on her presets, most of the time i dont use it tho. too squishy. aside that i can put a boiler on her and give CB to someone else if necessary ) or like one defensive aux alongside a torp aux is gonna be good enough on her instead of full tank?

[light crystal]

Rudder/Kicks, Boiler, Bulge, HP (Pearl).

[elder crane]

On IB plane: as Aoste says, but note that it still does okay vs not-Ancho even in Ancho team
also helps a bit vs torpteams I guess
it's guaranteed dmg vs vanguard but you lose plane HP (reveal capability), intercept (tbf only relevant at 20 s since interception starts on cooldown and no meta CV/L has off-strike barrages) and crash dmg

new UR torps are worthless except for fleet power padding, if you want to go for torps, take the gear lab HMS ones with black torpaux. Even on pure damage, +13 HMS torps are superior to +11 quint 610s so you need at least +12, and the pattern is so much worse especially since Duca has accelerated second (nonmagnetic) launch

Slight torpspec on Duca works about as well in the end as pure defensive setup, pure defensive can still run HMS torps but mags is probably preferable then

I'm skeptical you can even fit rudder on Duca over speed aux, if it's Juneau and yukikaze then sure maybe (shoes is a good speed aux for CL/CA)

Duca is usually second best eAA after Juneau, so she should take sex bofors, only exception atm would be if you ran Jun Duca Seattle pretty much since then Jun/Seattle take sex bofors and she should take twin 76/triple 25/staag/IJN bofors

Also note Duca is fairly tanky esp if you build double defensive aux, so pearl is somewhat questionable on her (it's hard to find a place for it these days tho so )

[candid sluice]

@tall nimbus close match but I managed to crash your backline before u could nuke my vg

[tall nimbus]

yep DD vg like yours are becoming more problematic because of that stealth eva buff

might need to change my team to focus on crashing enemy backline again with wyvern instead of 818 for vanguard

[candid sluice]

i woulda tested at bit more but u were my second to last match before reset so i had to rush thru

[crude mortar]

hhhhiryu

[candid sluice]

WALL

[quartz drum]

[quartz drum]

Yes, why?

[crude mortar]

hhhiryu

[gray dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/837389030324699217.gif?size=96

[elder crane]

also higher HP multiplier with lv125 means preload nuke is harder/less consistent

[obsidian kite]

Warspite is fun asf to use in pvp still

Unless there's 3 CVs

[worldly cape]

What kind of buffs came with level 125 then?

[calm mica]

evasion buff to DD and CL at 120 apparently

Not sure about this HP multiplier thing

[untold crater]

pvp HP is calculated based on lvl

shipHP * (0.9 + 0.012 * shipLVL)
At 120 it was 2.34x the original ship HP but at 125 it's 2.4x HP

[empty owl]

It’s what I invested in early ><

[hot creek]

HMS has actually been viable for the majority of AL's lifetime, especially in the earlier years. They're still useable for the most part. Though, these days you have to adopt NJ. Cant avoid NJ.

[elder crane]

Ye on release the best team was 5 HMS + Juneau

[crude mortar]

hms juneau

[empty owl]

I guess it’s time to change to KMS

[hot creek]

[crude jetty]

what would be best warspite team then?

[elder crane]

Right now? You take NJ then realize NJ is so much better you build rest of team around her instead

[crude jetty]

yeah I know

[elder crane]

aka just slot in Warkai over VV in mafia comp

you can also do FdG Warkai NJ to get on the 3BB bandwagon but I think that's fizzling out

[crude jetty]

I run essex nj indep

[crude jetty]

this loses to manjuu so bad

[elder crane]

you aim at NJ last or something idk

apparently vs mafia it's about as good as mirror on offense?
but weaker vs rest of field, especially CV-heavy comps cause you have like literally no spotting

[crude jetty]

what happens if my vanguard dies and I only have unspotted cvs left for 3bb?

It kinda happened to me today .. I just won at that point

but is there any way 3bb can still win that?

[elder crane]

then you wait for CV to launch twice and spot themselves
aka just die

[crude jetty]

ahh k second lauch will unstealth them

didnt know

[light crystal]

what's her point?

[elder crane]

not taking Aquila just screws you over like that

[crude jetty]

I dont have aquila

[elder crane]

RIP

[crude jetty]

not rip

can nj essex inde win against mafia?

[elder crane]

can it, yes

but is it significantly worse, yeah
although not really that bad overall even vs the best defense setups vs that

[crude jetty]

I mean.. there is no other better option for me anyways

I think essex is underated btw

her defensive buffs are pretty good

[candid sluice]

If only her skill worked on crash dmg

[radiant brook]

Has PvP become "125 meta ships only or get fucked"?

And has it become that having none of the meta ships at 125 will make it hard as hell? (Replacements will not help)

Aka VV is required, getting warspite as replacement will not help in the slightest

[candid sluice]

dunno man ive been doing fine without aquila and vitorio

[hot creek]

Ive had some mild success with NJ/WS/Howe.

also perseus is a thing, sometimes lol

[sour oasis]

It's just Avrora and possibly Sandy

[radiant brook]

Huh that explains it

[elder crane]

And ye 5 levels is larger effect than offense advantage

[ionic hill]

i mean, my whole pvp fleet is at 124 doing fine

[radiant brook]

My team atm is WK/NJ/Aquila, Juneau/anchorage/sandy with manjuu

I'm screwed?

[ionic hill]

why is anchorage in the middle?

[radiant brook]

Stay alive as long as possible

[ionic hill]

i mean, generally, she'd be the most alive regardless of her position

[sour oasis]

Why even bother with Aquila; just go 3 BB and barrage the hell out of vanguard.

[radiant brook]

Can't, there will always be a ykkz that cannot be killed for whatever reason

[elder crane]

plus if you lose vanguard before you spot CV then it's

[light crystal]

I wonder how much Tenrais will affect the meta 🤔

[elder crane]

given the only viable DB slot atm is Aquila's shitty-ass thing, meh
I guess it'll sometimes RNG boost VV dmg though

CV comp doesn't really feel like on the edge of competitiveness atm so we'll have to wait for next major shakeup probably

[light crystal]

I think it might be even better than you're thinking even on AQL 🤔

[frigid grove]

idk but it deals a lot of dmg ngl

I tested it

[light crystal]

[frigid grove]

still needed 46 plates to +12 it
so I can compare it with XSB3C again

[elder crane]

hard to say, the on-paper damage is only ~20% better and crash overall is still mediocre (less HP but more plane speed)
nothing special on dispersion either
main differences are the 19 splash on 500lb goes up to 25 splash on 1.6k lb (but 28 on 1.6k lb does downgrade slightly to 25)
and ofc occasional armor breaks to boost VV dmg

On Aql specifically lolno, two 120% planes
you barely notice a diff between rockets (dmg focus vs vanguard) vs Hornet (extra crash) in the similar fighter slot, which is a larger relative difference

I guess it's also +20 AVI too for what that's worth

[light crystal]

I think you're underestimating them on AQL tbh

[quartz drum]

get top 10?

[trail temple]

top 10 for the season?

Time for collusion strats

@lime rivet Would I be able to get some assistance with my PvP? Might be able to get a +2

[lime rivet]

lul, gimme a sec

[trail temple]

[lime rivet]

@trail temple current score 1743, have fun

[trail temple]

thx dude!

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[frigid grove]

[stable dawn]

[calm mica]

Unbelievable collusion. Good thing I play in Amagi where the players are pure and no collusion ever takes place

[untold crater]

Collusion is for people that can't sandbag

[sour oasis]

Sandbag are for people who can't collude

[untold crater]

true

[dull hollow]

[trail temple]

Amagi doesn't collude ay?

This Salty guy pretty sus

[candid sluice]

whats coll*sion?

[trail temple]

I learnt it from you and another guy

Now I am a shameless colluder

[candid sluice]

thats saltyarrow from avrora server not me

[sour oasis]

Oh wait, didn't you say collision?

[candid sluice]

[flint sun]

If there was only the choice between Aquila and NJ in pvp, who would be the better picc?

[calm mica]

NJ no contest

[north vine]

NJ

[untold crater]

Heal AQL > NJ > Preload AQL

[candid sluice]

why not heal nj

[untold crater]

heal NJ only works if you take of manjuu from her, and everyone knows manjuu NJ is the best NJ

[calm mica]

Where do you get NJ heal bullets?

[untold crater]

core data shop

[candid sluice]

make sure its +0 enhancement so u can get more points

[stable dawn]

[light crystal]

But why do u take NJ? What's her purpose? Because UR?

[untold crater]

rainbow = good

[trail temple]

This Yukana misleading people with Manjuu NJ

[light crystal]

But why do u take Manjuu? What's its purpose? Because gold?

[candid sluice]

Guys what tier is yudachi retrofit for pvp???

[light crystal]

Ask Kaine

I'd say T1 for sure at least

[candid sluice]

Can you ping him for me in this channel?

[glacial yarrow]

guys , can i see your anchorage equipments ?

[abstract cypress]

just use basic CA eq, but with fast reload torp

[glacial yarrow]

Is this good enuff?

[light crystal]

Gun might be OK. Drakegun is more optimal ofc, or maybe HE even for more Light DPS. Torps are bad for Shield timing purposes. Might wanna use triple magnetic torps instead, protects against 19-23s dmg windows. As for AA gun, there's better ones you could use. Like a simple STAAG might be best.

[glacial yarrow]

i dont have drake gun , still need research more

[trail temple]

[worldly cape]

With an Anchorage/Duca/Noshiro VG I should run bulge + torp in Duca and Noshiro?

[elder crane]

vs shelling she's like 10% eHP behind ykkz, but ofc more like 20% for vs planes/torps, for reference on survivability

[heavy seal]

Where can i calculate ships eHP?

[elder crane]

you'll need to find a third party calculator
not on wiki (technically, you have the formula on wiki so you can calc it yourself but ehhh)
I just took this one and modded it for some PvP estimates
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit?usp=sharing

it's great for some general eHP comparisons for PvE across vanguard ships (the intended purpose)

[heavy seal]

Looks very complicated. Does it take into account healing skills ?

[elder crane]

takes into account all skills (or tries to for some specific weirder ones) save bullet shields

note that it's not been fully updated for the evasion changes last patch atm

[dull hollow]

Next ur ship

Will be ca

Her shells

Have 100% hitrate

[calm mica]

Next UR is Enterprise. Gets preload and invincibility time doubled

[crude jetty]

Entry retro would be really good

[heavy seal]

Which additional gun on battlecruisers is better - dd or cl?
I know in pve cl are preferable coz oneshot burst damage against kamikaze but at same time dd guns preferable over cl on vanguard ships coz it higher dps.
So, does +2 additional mounts affect smth. Does dd gun is superior and has better dps againt incoming enemy vanguard or +2 for cl gun allows it to be consistent and thus better than dd guns?

[candid sluice]

CL gun more range and more +fp stat

[sour oasis]

For the most part, CL. But like all things PvP, depends on the gun and the defense fleet you face.
CL gun will sometimes fire at defenders when your vanguard is still alive because of the range boost (but may not be accurate unless it's a spread shot).
The best DD guns will be like a chainsaw if defenders break your vanguard, but you really don't want defenders to do that.

[sour oasis]

Does 2nd gun firepower factor into barrages and volleys?

[sullen sierra]

assuming you're running NJ/VV/AQL Jun/Duca/x and don't have Seattle or Archorage, who would you run in the last vanguard slot?

[light crystal]

Poi

Or Shima

[candid sluice]

of course if they scare off of fp

[trail temple]

Did you just mix your "r"s and "l"s?

I know it's a stereotypical comment at certain groups of Asians but damn I never knew it leaked into written format too

[candid sluice]

Please be patient I’m from Southeast Asia

[sullen sierra]

thanks for the advice, trying to make a fleet for a friend, didn't realize they missed aquilla, so unsure how to help at this point lol

[trail temple]

Be like Salty and mald then

Or use Percy and live with it

[obsidian kite]

Nah, I use Triple BB against Aquila and Littorio

Because warspite snipe is so fun

[candid sluice]

no aquila club rise up

crashmemes is new meta :copium:

[sour oasis]

What server are they in that they need the extra tryhard?

X = Noshiro also works. Shima is actually very strong if the torpedo RNG is in your favor.

[sullen sierra]

avrora, they dont have a fleet at all basically, so its less tryhard and more just..trying at all

[sour oasis]

Heck, Ark might fit into the Aquila slot (and then ditch VV for Warspite or another BB)

Yeah... Anything would work fine because it's Avrora and they're hobbled if they're out 2 of the top-10 meta ships

[sour oasis]

Just tell them to be picky about who they fight.

[sullen sierra]

will do

[elder crane]

You might as well enty at that point smh

[sour oasis]

Well, it's what they have to work with. Everything is a positive.

[fresh sandal]

hmm what would be the best vanguard lineup for a new jersey mafia fleet (NJ/Aquila/Veneto)

[glacial yarrow]

Most people run juneau/duca/anchorage

Anchorage is really tanky man wtf is that

[candid sluice]

pick three from juneau luigi yukikaz anchovy

[fresh sandal]

achorage playable at what dev? 20/25/30?

[covert swallow]

technically usable at dev10, but pref dev25 for when she's really good

[untold crater]

whenever she gets preload torp

[elder crane]

torpmemes with Shimakaze
not entirely joking btw

[sour oasis]

Flex defense or actual offense?

[fresh sandal]

gimme both

[sour oasis]

Anchorage IMHO is slow and painful on offense (just like she is on defense)

No. They're pretty different.

On offense you want to crush the defender vanguard; torpedoes will often work (if a little RNG) even with Duca defender thanks to the various new buffs (and Shima). Flex defense can 🚮

Always have a 3 BB team ready on offense. NJ+Juneau+?? AA quite strong.

[light crystal]

Duca slowpedoes are all the torps ull ever need

[sour oasis]

Freeze flexing 17k backline on Avrora.

[covert swallow]

Who needs duca when you have Loli bunny

[candid sluice]

fax

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/895699736558960700/image0.png

[sour oasis]

Yes (but how's PoI Kai working out?)

[sharp obsidian]

What loudout do you use for the Loli Bunny to get those numbers 😮

[candid sluice]

torpedo

[light crystal]

Tea-torps, or the rainbow ones, I assume

[untold crater]

Blue 610mm at +7

[calm mica]

Why use shimakaze though? Because she's UR?

[untold crater]

Rainbow = good

[light crystal]

What is her purpose?

[untold crater]

All fleets need at least 1 rainbow Backline and 1 rainbow VG to be good

[candid sluice]

Don’t forget to equip white shell on your shimakaze

[untold crater]

Don't forget manjuu so she survives longer 🙂

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

Why the fuck the Manjuu

[untold crater]

Same reason why I use it on NJ

I have 6 manjuus for pvp

[light crystal]

[untold crater]

Working on another 3 for when they add subs to pvp

[calm mica]

How you have 6 already? I almost have my 2nd one done

[untold crater]

It was map drop on EX for NJ event

[candid sluice]

can someone help me make a fleet to farm EX mode??

[flint sun]

do people do manjuu NJ in pvp?

over manjuuneau

(or manjuu helena if she is used for some reason)

[candid sluice]

Manju on juneau is suck

[flint sun]

I guess that half-answers it

[light crystal]

Manju on Juneau is a good strat, depending

[abstract cypress]

manjuu on non uss

manjuu best on helena yes

Best grill 11/10

need oath skin smh

[candid sluice]

questionable gun upgrades

[thin cosmos]

now I got a lot of VG candidates so really hard to pick 3

pretty sure among juneau, duca, shima,poi retro, anch but...

what I can think now is removing juneau can be answer due to torp synergy

Btw, doest the focused torp angel also effect magnet ones?

[candid sluice]

Yes

[thin cosmos]

hmm if so, magnet would be reasonable choice for DD

[candid sluice]

havent tested out rainbow magnets yet cus i dont have em built but teatorps seems to be performing as usual aka nuking a ship 5secs into the match

[thin cosmos]

teatorps seems not much changed after torp patch

but magnets got a lot of advantage after patch

2preload UR DD+UR DD with torp buff->much narrower angel so reduce penalty a lot

also there would be enough damage to sink VG now

and winning VG matters much more than before due to targeting

[candid sluice]

you still run into the problem of anchovy smokes for vg torp nuking

[thin cosmos]

if you let 1torp ship with torp infront of you full hp back line, now it means you would lose 1ship

however before torp patch it wasn't that problem

[thin cosmos]

as my calculation, you juct can nuke even with smoke

you have 3salvo total, and 0.5 salvo enough to kill 1 vg

so only about 50% hit rate enough

problem would be rather invincibility of ancher like manjuu juneau before

[candid sluice]

so are u gonna run triple quint magtorps aiming to wipe vg or mix in some teatorps too

[thin cosmos]

should be tested but at least for shima cause she can't get maget buff from aux even for all preloads

[candid sluice]

yeah i was considering swapping to mags on shima but those backline snipes are too spicy

[thin cosmos]

anyway I would test after make 125

[candid sluice]

kr has 125s yet?

[thin cosmos]

we have but my ex and attitude farming matter..

115 anch(110), 120(100) poi, 99(70) shima

[candid sluice]

u prioritizing 125 pvp ships or other content first

[thin cosmos]

I just razy to farming xp so just made anch.

and I don't want to spend much more oil to grow them, so I grow them one by one

[candid sluice]

whats there to farm in ex mode

[thin cosmos]

sorry xp

[candid sluice]

shouldnt be hard with the exp packets from changed lecture hall

[thin cosmos]

yes but how about 200?

[candid sluice]

yeah aff farming is a pain in the ass ill give u that

[thin cosmos]

basically I don't care xp now but I have to farm 300 affinity total

[candid sluice]

yeah u gonna have to do some mvp control magic to farm that

i did my shima aff farm during event so wasnt too bad

[elder crane]

I'm still betting HMS torps better since after all, they were better on Naganami who gets an extra launch too
nuking a main matters about as much as killing vanguard early, with nuking NJ almost an autowin situation

[elder crane]

btw as Novograd says, Ancho smoke isn't that effective for protecting other two vanguards, she only really saves herself
could be some interesting tech on leading her maybe? to try to tank torps herself and not let other two die
also if you run Duca then Duca torps usually come in after the immunity ends for a 1-2 punch

[candid sluice]

Yeah that’s why I’m considering slotting in luigi along with shima

Specifically for her faster second torp wave that’s outside of anchovy initial smoke

[elder crane]

oh I meant the initial torps

cause speed debuff on mags make it slow af

Ancho immunity is just 2 s and even Duca initial torps are usually delayed by that much or more

[candid sluice]

Well that too yea I guess

[elder crane]

and yeah both Duca and Naganami worked best in torpteam with HMS torps
I'm skeptical on mags being good enough post-Shima but it's not entirely out of the question

[thin cosmos]

major difference between now and past is aiming+ angle not just good torp DD

[elder crane]

aiming doesn't even happen most of the time though cause the range/angle for aiming is garbage

and I meant post-aiming pre-shima

[thin cosmos]

ok I see

[elder crane]

yeah it was incredibly disappointing how little the autotorp and the DD changes mattered for PvP

or honestly 125 or the evasion buff either

or like 125 just made shit harder to test smh cause cog chip 2 gated

I'd be testing poi if I didn't have to keep my 250 chips for shima 125

[heavy seal]

I assume Pamiat' is pretty bad tank due to her survival skill starting with 20sec cooldown, and in a time when cd end - vanguard normally dead already?

[elder crane]

yep, same issue with Eldridge, both have skill online too late already when vanguards are half dead and on top of that are too squishy to make it that far themselves consistently in the first place

low ship speed is also a big negative

[heavy seal]

What about Rossiya barrage in pvp, is it also that bad as in pve coz rudiculous spread?

Also, I assume Chapayev>Tashkent for pvp?

[elder crane]

Rossiya is even worse since she splits off part of barrage to miss vanguard instead

Chappy/Tash is hard to say since neither are near as good as the best options and I don't think anyone has really compared the two
I think Chappy should be better off though? off of my best immediate educated guess.

[sour oasis]

Eldridge retrofit when

[trail temple]

I would say after Eugen retrofit but at this stage... Eugen retrofit was like what d3 was for us back in the mid to late 2000s

[plain carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740674233939787921/896569287991500880/unknown.png

idk

they clap half the enemy fleet before the backline even goes online

against preload they do the same or worse, my shima / yuudachi one banged an aquila with stray torps

[worldly cape]

Yep, black torp Shima is actually something to not underestimate

On the offensive side might not work well, but as we know torps are defense biased, a black torp Shima setup can easily snipe your main fleet

[candid sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871479380273147955/895929598523613224/video0.mp4

[flint python]

bunny just got yeeted

[sour oasis]

That's with just 1 tea torp (and one rainbow mag)??

[candid sluice]

all three are using teatorps but shima has blacktorp

few stray ykkz torps hit nj too but main dmg came frmo shima

[sour oasis]

Only death matters; a near dread ship still does full damage (and can be healed by our lord and savior )

[plain carbon]

yup, shimakaze big dick damage

like this setup hurts

when the oil cap finally hits I'll farm her affinity

[plain carbon]

that setup one claps frontlines, if the torpedoes miss and hit the backline, any backliner is a oneshot too

[candid sluice]

prepare your torp bulges

[trail temple]

Those Anti Air gun choices, thank god we're not in a carrier dominated meta anymore

[light crystal]

I mean, just use STAAG for the Hit as well

[calm mica]

Tell that to my PR4 research luck

[candid sluice]

"poverty" options

[elder crane]

I meant the changes you baka not the new ships

torps are as RNG as ever and there's no appreciable survivability difference for DD/CL

[plain carbon]

eh, AA guns are asthetics only for IJN ships, gotta be honest here.

[trail temple]

[light crystal]

The better the AA, the less damage they take from planes. Makes zero sense to go out of your way to make them more vulnerable than they have to be to getting wiped out by an airstrike.

[calm mica]

Well, to be specific, vanguard takes same damage. It's main fleet that gets better survival from better AA

[candid sluice]

Might as well give them accels or +hit to contribute something

[calm mica]

Put on no AA to trick people into thinking your low fleet power makes your fleet easy to beat

[candid sluice]

also to get more points ofc

lower fleet power = bigger number

[elder crane]

no AA makes them take more dmg though cause 45 less AA for air resist

[calm mica]

You taking a joke seriously or what?

[elder crane]

I mean you clearly put in +0 gold AA smh

[untold crater]

This ain't a meme server

[candid sluice]

the server is the meme

[crude mortar]

yes

[sour oasis]

This season I've only had 4 fights where I took less than the base points (three at the very end), only 4 sets I've never had a net bonus, and barring right this minute, I always had a good night's sleep. ||Luck is the most important skill to have if you're playing alone.||

[quartz drum]

any screenshots of pvp rank?

[spring fable]

managed to hit top 10 on sandy

[whole salmon]

Washington top 10:
#1 NO DATA - 2590
#2 Anzus - 2590
#3 Kurisu - 2589
#4 Mental Out - 2587
#5 Borgar Kun - 2587
#6 Ama Naho - 2585
#7 Freya Hirasawa - 2581
#8 awful fawful - 2580
#9 DuoEnvy - 2579
#10 Tower89 - 2578

Lexington top 10:
#1 Aldarn - 2596
#2 Vice777 - 2595
#3 Rimiribs - 2589
#4 Pink Sugar - 2588
#5 Kaoru Hasebe - 2588
#6 ShepCommander - 2587
#7 Gosu General - 2585
#8 Dearn - 2585
#9 Gawr Gura - 2584
#10 Z23Darkholme - 2579

Amagi top 10:
#1 toastyKaya - 2589
#2 Matcha - 2587
#3 Mortie - 2586
#4 IMikotoMisakal - 2583
#5 dronshi - 2583
#6 LostC0re - 2581
#7 SaltyArrow - 2580
#8 Jinnshi - 2579
#9 masterjay31 - 2579
#10 Yukana - 2579

@quartz drum I only got for 3 servers

[quartz drum]

thx

[candid sluice]

wait till envy updates his sheets

[candid sluice]

@quartz drum

[quartz drum]

what?

[candid sluice]

dm aja

[trail temple]

We had the top 10 for every server posted earlier (not here) and it was deleted

[ashen lion]

Sandy server

[late heath]

https://tenor.com/view/misaka-misaki-a-certain-scientific-railgun-gif-22051619

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Wow, Sandy scoring higher than Washy

[slender tartan]

i dont really get it how scoring works. like im always beating the farthest left opponent. granted last season i did actually lose a fight against a richy-NJ fleet somehow . but yeah never reached numbers like these.

[trail temple]

Don't rush and get lucky

That's the simple answer

The longer answer is that you get additional points the greater the difference is between you and your opponent

In order to get that, you need to wait

However not everyone will just conveniently do their exercises so you do find yourself picking up just the usual amount of points

[slender tartan]

i see. i used to do it on reset always .

[trail temple]

You also lose points rushing at the start of the reset since you may find yourself fighting an opponent lower ranked than you despite them being your highest ranked opponent

[coral wren]

Did you happened to fight Derrickz's comp last season?

He's the only one who's using NJ Rich comp that would actually give you run for your money. Well at least for me. Other NJ Rich comp isn't really that threatening.

[sour oasis]

I resent that. You can rush but you need to get extra lucky.

[sour oasis]

Which numbers like what?

[candid sluice]

farthest left opponent doesnt always guarantee bonus points btw

theyre just the most likely to give u bonuses

[light crystal]

You're considered food by the baggers when u rush after a reset

https://tenor.com/view/ready-for-dinner-lets-eat-winnie-the-pooh-restaurants-near-me-time-to-eat-gif-14072441

[sour oasis]

If everyone bags no one bags

[trail temple]

For Aotn only, sure. For EoS scoring though, you can't rush

[sour oasis]

True. Unless your server is Amagi.

[candid sluice]

if u delay your rush to at least an hour after reset u should get aotn easily

[sour oasis]

Well, that may not be true. Is Amagi's EoS rank 100 above 2520 yet?

[candid sluice]

hey amagi eos is on par with other servers

[sour oasis]

Top 10 yes. What about the bottom 10?

[candid sluice]

it was 2579 last season not terrible

bottom 10 idk

[sour oasis]

Rank 90-100 still EoS. A pure rushing player that dumps 5-10 tickets at a time (and doesn't lose or fight a lower ranked opponent) can rush to a score of about 2510, give or take 10 points.

So there's a chance a pure rusher can make it into EoS

[candid sluice]

only top10 eos is revelant anyways

[sour oasis]

True true.

Just realized, with 125 level caps, it makes PvP really much harder to get into.

[candid sluice]

yeah requires much more investment

[sour oasis]

The only regular supply of cog2 chips are the level 100 daily raids right?

Have fun grinding to commander level 100 noobs

[candid sluice]

yea that and core shop which is far from enough

other than that u gotta grind w12 hard mode

[sour oasis]

Whelp. Not like devs cared about PvP anyway. Just a pit for degens.

||Here's hoping whales keep this degen pit afloat for another 5 years.||

[trail temple]

I could only find this image for top 10 of all servers

@quartz drum

[candid sluice]

[crude mortar]

[ashen lion]

You mean this guy ?

[light crystal]

Why Agir lead

[slender tartan]

nah the one i fought had RICHY-NJ-FDG, VG i dont remember but i went throught them relatively easy. now how i lost that. i was on mobile with using data cuz internet was cut and only enemy FDG was alive. she literally shoots before death and straight up oneshots my VG with yuki-duca both 75% HP and then my NJ with 70%. all of this within 3 salvos. like when i say, enemy FDG works, but mine hates me. this is what i mean. anyway it all happened so fast that my FPS dropped to hell on phone and i wasnt fast enough to click reset. so yeah happens .

[elder crane]

you know you can just hit home button and force close app right?
It's still pretty tight timing yeah
also where's your manjuu smh

also probably shouldn't be possible unless you're at a significant lv disadvantage

5 levels even seems a bit sketch, sounds like more than that

[slender tartan]

didnt know the home button would save me. however it happened so fast that i dont think i would have time to press it anyway. aside that. 125lvlMAIN, VG 125Luigi,123YUKI,121JUN (no ancho or seattle and shimi is low lvl so YUKI it is). usually i dont use manjuu on Jun unless i see shimikaze (or something similar that can insta delete someone). i prefer pearl/boiler vs BB's or pearl/air-radar vs CV'S. granted each fleet might deal different dmg via different methods so i always switch gear if i think something is gonna make it easier even before first fight. truth to be told tho, with bunny most fights dont last long and are not much of a bother. only exception manjuu ancho cuz she refuses to die even tho most of the time she will be last one standing. she just drags it on and on.

[calm mica]

This wouldn't have happened if you used manjuu NJ smh

[sour oasis]

You can also press the power button on your phone to force pause the game.

[untold crater]

There is pause button on top right btw

[calm mica]

"button"

I wouldn't call anything on a mobile touch screen a button

[untold crater]

You're right

Just equip manjuu NJ next time

[light crystal]

[trail temple]

Eww manjuu NJ

Only trolls and heathens use them these days

[light crystal]

So like u

[trail temple]

Gotta give people easy wins

Washy's scores are pretty low these days

[coral wren]

Shima broken

[candid sluice]

yes

[trail temple]

Compared to the rest of your fleet, yes she is

[candid sluice]

damn harsh

but not wrong

[light crystal]

wrong but not

[oblique silo]

Not but wrong

[coral wren]

Is perseus better at the initial strike?

I hope she'll come back soon :/

[sour oasis]

Didn't kill six ships in one stroke; not broken enough

[iron stratus]

Is worth to lvl up to 120 > 125 juneau??

[sour oasis]

The majority say yes. Personally, I like my Juneau tenderized more.

[iron stratus]

Hm ic
tytyty

[sour oasis]

If you're flexing, 125 her for sure.

[iron stratus]

done
ty for the answer, have a good evening

[light crystal]

If she's lead, probably safe to 125. If on the back and protected by Italian torp debuffs + NJ DR + Ancho tanking/providing smoke, probably better to 120.

[candid sluice]

i 125 because big number good

[light crystal]

Enjoy putting double Gyr on her.

[candid sluice]

quyet does it so it must be good right

[trail temple]

[light crystal]

I got this feeling that double Gyro'ing your Juneau is the standard in CN/JP, sadly. Which is why I insist on leaving my Juneau 120 to stave off that temptation

[calm mica]

What amateurs. You need to Gyro your whole fleet, otherwise it's pointless

[trail temple]

Quintuple gyros for all ships

[dull hollow]

will they serve me sharwma if i do

[dusky moth]

how does noshiro compare vs. duca for a vg option?

also while we are at it, independence vs. aquila

[candid sluice]

aquila is preload indep is not

[dusky moth]

well yes but I was asking would running independence over aquila ever be advisable?

[candid sluice]

highly depends on ur comp but generally u will find more use from aquila

[dusky moth]

let's say I'm currently running independence/shinano/NJ with noshiro/marie(placeholder until shimakaze is leveled)/jintsuu

[candid sluice]

i dont see what indep does better than aquila in that comp

[trail temple]

Since Shinano is so slow, might as well swap out Shinano for Aquila

[dusky moth]

Really? Huh would have thought to swap out independence for aquila

Also another question, does yuudachi retro perform better than jintsuu does?

[light crystal]

Depends on the comp?

Wait no, Yuudachi is probably better than Jintsuu overall

I was thinking u meant Noshiro

[dusky moth]

Alright, so independence aquila NJ noshiro shimakaze yuudachi will probably be the fleet then

Also I know shimakaze kinda makes her less relevant, but marie usually deletes someone on the enemy team on the first salvo lol

Surprised how useful she has been for me

[light crystal]

Way back then I also considered she might've had some promise for PvP. Never really revisited. Probably a solid mit-tier DD for PvP while on Attack.

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587495729224744991/898022946277306368/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

when 4mi come back in meta

[north vine]

in 2077 when formi retro

[candid sluice]

4mi more like 4head

[elder crane]

been using her and bleh, I really can't find a good place for her
survivability-wise is behind Duca esp vs planes and torps and only on par with Noshiro, ish (probably better vs shelling but worse vs planes/torps)
and her torp dmg is just standard, nowhere near Shima levels and even well behind Duca
Duca pretty much is just straight better in most cases, her own better dmg/survivability makes up for the 10.5-12.5% team dmg buff you'll normally see out of Poi
Noshiro is about +25% so better in torpteam
Jint is pretty much minimum +35% ish to compare

She's not bad though tbf, just can't see where she fits if you have all the options

[light crystal]

I was talking about Marie Rose

[elder crane]

oh lmao confused that with other discussion

well this applies even harder to MR

[light crystal]

Way back then =/= last week

Well, I haven't test Yuudachi either. I assumed she was good, been waiting on more opinions from people.

[candid sluice]

overhyped

[light crystal]

Still training her slowly, waiting for tomorrow's patch to go ham with power training her along with Shima

[elder crane]

honestly is better than my pred lmao
but yeah she's not bad but doesn't fit anywhere
tbh I feel like that in PvE too, on auto her DpS/survivability combo makes her a pretty good non-tank unit but with no team synergies or anything, so is pretty optional take (might have optimal uses though unlike my pred for her in PvP)
and on manual you'd run a proper torpteam boat

and I say that as someone who has her 125/200 and delayed shima 125 unlock for it

[candid sluice]

yea i just dont see anywhere that she fits in

definitely not a torpmeme squad

mobs she does alright in i guess

[elder crane]

mobs is just
like she's really good for it but not gamebreakingly like Perseus and it's also mobs so
in boss she's just yet another not that squishy auto DpS with extra low levels of utility

[light crystal]

why would u delay to unlock?

[elder crane]

if you don't mind the squish then Shima actually is better auto DpS vs bosses lul

[light crystal]

Did u 125 ur ships all freely? I only have 125'd 5 so far

[elder crane]

I just did all the ones I'd want to 125 at once pmuch + some extras for PvP testing
Also my shima is like 106 aff anyways so nbd

[light crystal]

So Yuudachi is not meta material then, fair enough. Probably a high tier DD you can take for waifu purposes if u want then. I see no problem with that, given she's just a free UR anyway

[elder crane]

waifu or lacking ships yeah

[light crystal]

Why, I don't see the need to 125 outside PvP tbh

I do wanna 125 my main sub squad, but not priority rn

[elder crane]

you'll eventually want to 125 for PvE too and it's made for comfy clears of c6 abyssals
I can 1-shot those pretty often now

[light crystal]

Well, I guess.

Tbh, other than me being picky and conservative with my Arrays, I simply don't have the 4k+ to spend either

Hobo Lane.

[candid sluice]

its not necessary to 125 for any pve content right now so im saving my arrays for when challenging content does come

abyssals are whatever i can always go in with my second boss fleet

[elder crane]

I'm back up to 50k now

[light crystal]

I would 125 SKK, SNN, AR, my main Wolf Pack, Shima, and Azuma.

And FDG, and Richy

[elder crane]

I wouldn't 125 skk since Haku

I did Nano ark FdG yeah

Azuma also is a nono since Agir

[candid sluice]

only pve ships i 125d were fdg and noshi

[light crystal]

Eh, SKK will have use well into the future imo

[elder crane]

Haku = literally better Skk though

[candid sluice]

even with a torpmeme vg?

[light crystal]

Does she boost Fleetwide DMG?

[elder crane]

Haku is 8% all dmg debuff

[light crystal]

SKK is 10%

[elder crane]

ye but Haku also is Nano tiers of own dmg

and all dmg debuff is better than dmg buff

[light crystal]

And has DR

[elder crane]

the DR doesn't matter in PvE

[light crystal]

Lightning might be RNG as well

[light crystal]

It may in OpSi and higher content, like W14

[elder crane]

no like skk is at best average 5% DR basically

which barely matters

[light crystal]

So yeah, I see SKK as reliable, Haku, more potential DMG but RNG

[elder crane]

it's RNG in about the same way Helmet 10% is RNG btw

[light crystal]

Melena.

[elder crane]

in practice chance of failure is super minimal

she carpets screen in the lighting bolts, which have pretty good AoE too

btw even under just Nagato +20%, skk's effective multiplier drops to 1.0833

[candid sluice]

so is she just better than shou at supporting the rest of fleet?

[elder crane]

drops to 1.074 if running Kazagumo too

[light crystal]

I use SKK/SNN/AR. I run Nagato with Foxes

[candid sluice]

considering torpmeme vg and subs

[elder crane]

if in story map and full ammo, drops even more to 1.069

[elder crane]

SKK buff for Ark is just 8% avg if no other stacking effects, 7.44% if you stack ark strikes
if you run Kazagumo then it's 8.7% to Nano and 7.14% to Ark (6.7% if you stack ark strikes)

[light crystal]

I don't get it why it would go down, but also not interested in super intricate math stuff

[elder crane]

Ark's double dmg is coded as +100% dmg like Enty's lucky E

so Skk stacks additively for +110% (at 25% chance if not stacking strikes, 75% for +10%)

Haku is multiplicative for +116% (at 25% chance if not stacking strikes, 75% for +8%)

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-cute-math-formulas-gif-17580986

[elder crane]

add on top that Haku herself is doing like at least 50% more dmg and yeah

[light crystal]

You're a very passionate math guy, I'll give you that

[elder crane]

and ofc for Azuma, Agir is just literally better almost every way unless you desperately need an IJN unit

even for Nano buff, Agir's slow is probably on avg a better effect overall

[candid sluice]

i mean if u think about it it does make sense without going into the deep maths with %s

if arks double dmg proc skill is +100% instead of multiplied by 2

[dull hollow]

when did

the shitkikan join the fight

yall have 125 SKK

wut

did i miss an event

[sullen sierra]

is there a general consensus on whether Anchorage replaces Seattle in the Mafia comp? and if so at what dev level?

[trail temple]

Depends on what you wanna run, but anchorage has a different function per se to Seattle

Seattle has great AA but can deal a bit of damage with double gun as well as being tanky herself

Anchorage is just a tank that can provide smoke for the team

[sullen sierra]

Generally, NJ/VV/AQL Jun/Duca/x

[trail temple]

The answer still depends

[sullen sierra]

yeah, guess just depends on what youre fighting? like heavy AA stuff stick to Seattle? otherwise go Anchorage?

[trail temple]

You could

If I do use anchorage, it's because the defence fleet could tear my butthole open at the start

and while it still could coz smoke is only evasion and not complete mitigation

It won't be as bad

[sullen sierra]

since most of the harder comps are Mafia stuff atm, would Anrchorage do better against that due to the heavy upfront dmg?

[trail temple]

Yes and no. Anchorage does have the potential to keep Juneau alive for too pong

long

[sullen sierra]

ah, didn't consider that

[trail temple]

And by doing so, you actually may find yourself without a backline

[candid sluice]

Anchovys main selling point is her ability to reduce a lotta damage at the start of the match

[trail temple]

For the record I don't use either anymore

[waxen lion]

y'all just shrimps for anchovies

[trail temple]

I prefer fish actually

[sullen sierra]

thanks for all the info, was just worried archorage was a fairly big shakeup, but i suppose its not the biggest threat atm if you dont have it

[waxen lion]

preloads need to be way stronger i think

[trail temple]

Anchorage just drags the fight a little longer

It's not like there's a need to change the setup anyway because of Ancho

[calm mica]

Anchorage wasn't an issue until the stealth evasion buff. Stack on an extra 28% evasion on top of that 40% and main fleet acc is reduced to crap. So personally been trying to throw in higher damage in vanguard to make use of their higher ACC

Rushing a rainbow mag up to +13 hurts though

"rushing"

[light crystal]

What Stealth evasion buff. And what do u mean Ancho isn't an issue, she's top tier in the VG ranking. Shuts down AQL/Perseus/Torps(Other than Duca's). A good reliable wall

[dull hollow]

have i traveled thru a timeloop

i dont recognize half these names anymre

fish

skk

anchovies????

[candid sluice]

Boomer

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[calm mica]

DDs and CLs got their evasion buffed when 125 came out

By about 20%

Anchovies is PR4 cruiser, skk is crane onee-san, fish is just fish

[candid sluice]

Fish is new meta in pvp

[calm mica]

Yep, anchovies, sardines and sailfish

[candid sluice]

Archerfish is my favorite new meta ship

[light crystal]

Only DD's

[calm mica]

What does this show?

This isn't a comparison, this is one single image

[light crystal]

Well, nvm, CL's too

96 at 120 to 113.

[calm mica]

Pretty much. Checked CAs and they got nothing, same for back row

[dull hollow]

When did we get fish

[dull hollow]

who tf is using shoukaku in pvp

[calm mica]

Maybe if you read, you'd see the discussion was about ships you 125 outside of pvp

[untold crater]

pvp channel

[hot creek]

no u

[light crystal]

SKK was slated to be PvP meta... with triple+ Wyvern, whislt using Hiryuu/SNN. But then Italians and NJ came along

[candid sluice]

Aquila destroyed any hope of shoukabruh being meta

[stable dawn]

How good is my aquila loadout

[candid sluice]

i think you should ask in #gameplay-help they give better equipment advice than us

[stable dawn]

but this is for pvp is it not

I added speed using boiler. It makes the plane go fast right?

[trail temple]

Where's the manjuu?

[candid sluice]

i think gyroscope would be better

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

if you give her boiler she will die too late

[light crystal]

The planes are not even +7/+13. I don't see any commitment there. Low effort troll smh

Also, Vote Juneau. Bestest PvP Shipfu.

❤️

[candid sluice]

trolling in the pvp channel? surely not

[stable dawn]

I'm too poor for +7
I get maybe 10 gold plates per OP siren reset

this game is too hard

[ashen lion]

[light crystal]

That's basically 90k while grinding 13-4, yeah

[stable dawn]

I've only reached 8-3

[light crystal]

[stable dawn]

I didn't even know there were 13 chapters. I thought the game only went to 10

[candid sluice]

thats not a high lvl player he just bought the guild tech

[calm mica]

That's actually a good thing. Stages over 8-4 now give too many coins, and as gph has taught us, we're not supposed to farm for coins

[trail temple]

Don't farm, just swipe

[calm mica]

Why play 12-4 7 times in an hour when you can work minimum wage for an hour and buy gems to get the same number of coins

[light crystal]

Or do both at the same time for double the coins 🐳

[light crystal]

So to everyone using Shimakaze, other than Teatorps, do you all just use Quint rainbow mags? Or do u actually try to use Shima torps + Black dildo combo?

[untold crater]

Shima torp because lazy to swap

[sharp obsidian]

Is there an updated PvP guide like the ones in the pinned post? Would love to see load outs of top attacking fleets.

[candid sluice]

you should ask kaine he made one

[sharp obsidian]

Kaine?

[candid sluice]

the sea hornet simp guy

[elder crane]

I haven't seen a single HMS torp proper shima defense yet and it's a pity
mags and 610s suck for the team
well, tbf mags is more consistent, just consistently mediocre instead of like 70% god tier 30% useless HMS torps are; it's probably the better wall option vs weaker offense teams?
610s are just awful since her second preload then is almost useless, and 1 launch mag 610s << 2 launches quint mags

[light crystal]

I refuse to use HMS torps. I got 3 +13 sets and 5 Black dildos, but never used them offensively, more of an RNG defense for ppl to deal with

[elder crane]

use mags then for torps being fairly consistently mediocre

610s definite no on shima

[light crystal]

Reason I was asking is because I have the plates to +12 a new set of rainbow torps. Was wondering wut's a better project: Rainbow mags or Shima torps. And as it involved alot of Plates, just wanted to make sure I wouldn't regret investment

[elder crane]

Shima torps I guess would probably be second best on non-extra-reload ships like anything other than Shima, Duca, Naganami, especially squishier ones that won't always make it to a reload

it's probably better than quad 610s?

[light crystal]

🤔

So not wise to +13 a second set of Quint mags over Shima torps then?

Using current +13 quint mag set on Duca

[elder crane]

tbh I'm not entirely sure about that either, 190 vs 210 alpha and slower reload in exchange for a sligthtly closer spaced and wider pattern, hmmm

if you run both Duca and Shima both would want mags pretty sure

[light crystal]

🤔

I'm still half hoping they buff Shima torps

But at the same time I wanna be realist and invest with what's already current

[untold crater]

Just get 720 plates and +13 both

[thick cove]

How to counter this shit

[light crystal]

Seems fairly standard, should be easy if using mirror, or a balanced well kitted 125 fleet urself

[thick cove]

Im already traumatised from seeing NJs with elite manjuu damage control crew.

[light crystal]

Manjuu NJ's are easy to beat if ur own NJ is build for DPS lol

Hadn't thought much about it if ur not using NJ urself tho

[light crystal]

Reminder to my PvP lads vote Juneau.

[candid sluice]

[untold crater]

Behind Kent kek

[light crystal]

Kent has see-through tits, tough competition

But YOU can make a difference! Let's vote for the PvP queen and make it top 10!

[candid sluice]

Sorry I’m voting for the footlord

[tough dirge]

im fighting my own clan member what

update i

i beat my own clan member

[candid sluice]

Congratz

[dull hollow]

i cant read jp

so im voting for whoever is showing up

at the top left first selection

in my list

[covert swallow]

[flint python]

[candid sluice]

Are there not pictures of the ships when u select

[blazing crescent]

Is this still a good pvp fleet? (except the lvls) I kinda stopped playing pvp since the last pasta event, so I have no idea what's meta right now. Would appreciate some help

saw a screenshot from earlier with this fleet but Noshiro instead of Seattle, maybe I'll try that too

[light crystal]

That's the current meta. An emerging common variant is switching out Seattle for Anchorage though.

[blazing crescent]

alright thanks

[dull hollow]

nah ur supposed to replace one of the back liners with the Idolmaster CV

[coral wren]

Realistically speaking, how viable would this comp be, ignoring the subs.

[tall nimbus]

in pvp? 🚮

[coral wren]

Why garbage?

Reload time?

[tall nimbus]

-no preload to reveal
-odin just eats torps since she's so much forward
-roon and mainz also has bad modifiers against torps and airstrikes

[coral wren]

Could Odin be changed to someone else?