which ones are the teatorps
hms torps from gear lab?
#pvp
inner quiver
inner quiver
thanks
candid sluice
i like your hat btw
inner quiver
png of the hat
candid sluice
flint python
smh salty pfp not updated to meta
light crystal
smh my head
candid sluice
i dont know shit about editing 
light crystal
i dont know about editing shit
rich escarp
hey guys, how is Baltimore for a Seattle substitute until I finish Seattle, unless there's better to use
viscid elm
Monarch Howe and warkai on PvP trio is good for beating meta?
light crystal
hey guys, how is Baltimore for a Seattle substitute until I finish Seattle, unle...
Sanfran is probably better than Baltimore
If u dont have Sanfran, using Portland is probably better than Balti
If you have Noshiro, u can try using her instead
If u dont have Noshiro, u can try using Leipzig as a good Seattle substitute
This assumes u have either Leipzig or Portland lv 120, both refitted ofc
rich escarp
I do have portland...and it'll probably be a long while before Seattle will be leveled and blueprinted up
light crystal
Then might as well use Leipzig then, in the meantime
rich escarp
Leipzig I have, she's just hecka far behind since I don't really use her
light crystal
Juneau, Leipzig, YKKZ. Cheap and effective enough 
Jueanu, YKKZ, Noshiro also good
Leipzig probably better against CV's though, over Noshiro
rich escarp
my other vanguard is duca degli abruzzi, so Noshiro might work better
light crystal
Oh u got Duca?
Well, Juneau/Duca + YKKZ/Noshiro/Leipzig is the way to go until you have either Seattle or Ancho.
rich escarp
I'm uh....using "That" comp.
Y-you know the one...||Aquilla/NJ/VV main duca/juneau/last one for vanguard||
calm mica
If you haven't already, there's 300 catch-up prints you can use on Seattle you can start on. That covers just about all the dev BPs for her
rich escarp
yeah, I'm using that now, just takes a loooooong time to get a ship leveled up
oblique silo
Monarch Howe and warkai on PvP trio is good for beating meta?
No lol
clear briar
Other than that I got walled
calm mica
yeah, I'm using that now, just takes a loooooong time to get a ship leveled up
I feel you there. Vanguard doesn't get that flagship bonus, so it takes a while. Reno's still only 111 after a week and a half of focusing on her 
sour oasis
yeah, I'm using that now, just takes a loooooong time to get a ship leveled up
There are alternatives be crutches you can use. None are great, but they'll hold until you get the research maxed. Further alts include Belfast, Suzutsuki, Jintsu...
light crystal
I feel you there. Vanguard doesn't get that flagship bonus, so it takes a while....
Thats y I dorm to 100, Sec to 90, and 1:1 Event/7-2 stuff so they get MVP bonus every time to make fast training even for VG 
calm mica
Fast by what standards? I've done more than that. Been 2nd floor of dorm since getting her, even doing 2-1 up to 70 and giving her MVP in C2 since 70. I'd personally consider 3 weeks to max level somewhat slow
sour oasis
Fast by what standards? I've done more than that. Been 2nd floor of dorm since g...
2F dorm doesn't give xp, just mood (nice to keep that happiness bonus for grinding); 1F gives both.
Three weeks is pretty fast for 120.
calm mica
Yeah, sorry, still comparing to main fleet flagships in my head. But for reference, 2nd floor gives 10 extra mood for 5 battles per hour, So about 7500 extra EXP for a C2 MVP. It's better than floor 1 if you're actively grinding the ship. Last message about this from me though, to avoid going off-topic
sour oasis
Still on topic since it's about efficiently assembling a PvP fleet. 
But dang, 7.5k is how many hours?
sour oasis
But that's extra (compared to 1F)?
calm mica
Different people will get different exp from floor 1 depending on HQ, dorm slots and snack bonus, so didn't compare to anything specific. But yes, as long as you use your floor 2 ship, it'll get 5 more battles per hour even from that small 10 mood bonus over 1st floor mood recovery. And those 5 extra battles will always be more than the exp gain from floor 1.
silent yew
is Hiryuu still good for pvp or there's a counter now?
sour oasis
is Hiryuu still good for pvp or there's a counter now?
She's still not bad, but there's been a hard counter for a few seasons now.
silent yew
She's still not bad, but there's been a hard counter for a few seasons now.
wich is?
sour oasis
Initially Warspite Kai, then strong vanguard.
CV are most likely dead if the enemy vanguard breaks through.
silent yew
hmmmm guess my Richy flag with JDA and sanrui vanguard is a good idea for that?
with presy and NJ
sour oasis
Since you're on the hardest server (Avrora), the try-hardest defenses need more than that.
silent yew
and on VG suzu
sour oasis
It's not a bad offense you have, but for some reason, people flex/gatekeep hard with stupidly tough defense fleets.
silent yew
i was leveling Aquila during the event to swap percy
hmm. what changes i should make then?
sour oasis
With more Anchorage defenders, 3 BB is a slightly more viable alternative.
silent yew
3BBs ....guess i put warkai instead of aquila/percy?
sour oasis
hmm. what changes i should make then?
Honestly, for Avrora specifically, because the meta is loosely defined, you'll be seeing a lot of different yet hard defenses.
Some will be old IJN, some will be NJ + 3 Italians, some are now 3 BB...
silent yew
can give few examples of hard defenses and how to deal with them? i'll try to figure the other niches myself if needed
sour oasis
Hmm.
An insufferable wise player once said, just get lucky.
It's good to have lots of different ships at your disposal in case you run into an impossible defense and have no "new opponent" cycles.
silent yew
i try to level diffrent ships but i don't have that many lvl 120 sadly. most good ships are lvl 110-ish
but i still can make some good combos
sour oasis
NJ, Warspite Kai, Vittorio, FdG, Richelieu, Amagi, Nagato, Monarch
Shinano, Perseus, Aquila Enterprise, Hiryu, Ark Royal kai
It's also what equipment you have too.
silent yew
NJ, Warspite Kai, Vittorio, FdG, Richelieu, Amagi, Nagato, Monarch
Shinano, Pers...
out of those. only VV and monarch are not 120. mama fdg is not dev 30 sadly
sour oasis
Yeah, as long as you can get wins (and can live with sometimes fighting a lower ranked opponent) you don't need to stress too much on optimizing an offense fleet.
sour oasis
Got the PR2 UR gun? (It's also in the core shop now.)
silent yew
and i got 2 wyverns
silent yew
Got the PR2 UR gun? (It's also in the core shop now.)
yeh i i finished last 12 pieces from shop
i don't have the UR torps tho
sour oasis
Sounds like you have a good bag of tricks for your backline.
Got the (lab only) HMS torpedoes?
silent yew
UR?
sour oasis
No. The UR magnetic torpedoes are not the best (they are very nice though).
silent yew
i don't think i ever crafted torps on lab. can show?
sour oasis
Sometimes the quadruple magnet (SR) that comes in iron blood SR boxes is just as good.
silent yew
i have a good number of that mag torps ig
sour oasis
silent yew
i can open tons of boxes i have now if need mre
533mm Quintuple Torpedo Mount Mk IX ?
silent yew
mhm
sour oasis
These mk IX torpedoes are if you believe in your own luck.
silent yew
are ryuusei's goo for pvp as well?
silent yew
These mk IX torpedoes are if you believe in your own luck.
that's the last thing i believe in
but i'll craft 3 or 4.
sour oasis
Essentially start a fight, see your three preload torpedoes launch, and if no one important dies, restart the fight (takes about 15s)
sour oasis
It's helpful if you have the event locked item:
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/533mm_Magnetic_Torpedo
sour oasis
But like I said, it's just testing your own luck to kill 2 or 3 opponent ships at the very start.
A good set of vanguard ships is a requirement: either torpedoes or heavy guns or just out-tanking them.
I like raising Azuma (huge FP) or Aurora (increased accuracy for your pre-launch CV or barrage BB) for the purposes of killing enemy Juneau early. More reliable than praying on an opening torpedo salvo.
Sometimes you may even want a Juneau or Birmingham or Seattle of your own (to stall) while your backline rains barrage after barrage.
silent yew
Sometimes you may even want a Juneau or Birmingham or Seattle of your own (to st...
none of those is leveled. but juneau is on the leveling fleet
silent yew
I like raising Azuma (huge FP) or Aurora (increased accuracy for your pre-launch...
azuma still dev 22 and i don't have aurora
:c
sour oasis
Other vanguard suggestions: Helena (radar de-buff), Naganami (torpedo prayers), Noshiro (torpedo defense/offense), Duca/Luigi (torpedo defense/offense), Suzutsuki (fog defense and speed), Belfast (fog defense), Yukikaze (RNG take only 1 damage)
silent yew
wait no i have aurora but she's lvl 45
sour oasis
Yeah, she's not bad to level if you find a lot of slippery defenses. Aurora is a useful support ship with her debuff, though she has little offense of her own.
silent yew
Other vanguard suggestions: Helena (radar de-buff), Naganami (torpedo prayers), ...
good i have more than half of those leveled.
i'll save this info and try to play around with teams
sour oasis
Good luck. Don't forget you can always restart fights and pray to win. (Or just shuffle the opponent list.)
The trick to climbing to get Admiral of the Navy after 2 weeks is simply not losing. (You don't have to chase bonus points, just make sure you win all your tickets. Even if you have to take a ranking penalty. Just don't take too many.)
silent yew
The trick to climbing to get Admiral of the Navy after 2 weeks is simply not los...
take ranking penalty?
sour oasis
take ranking penalty?
When you fight someone at a lower rank (score), you lose a point or two. If you fight someone at a higher score (by a certain threshold) you get an extra point or two.
silent yew
so if for example i get 10 points per win. if i beat someone lower rank i'll get 9 or 8 points ?
is that what u mean?
sour oasis
Yup
sour oasis
when is best time to use my tries?
What's "best" mean to you?
silent yew
?
sour oasis
Highest rank possible is... Very difficult (because people on Avrora are... Very difficult).
The most rewards is not dependant on the highest rank.
Just don't lose. Use all 15 daily tickets.
sour oasis
There are players ||Chibi Goku|| who like to stay in top 10 for as long as possible. Just because It causes others pain. They will be in top 10 and have tickets left over... So they wait and check and when they're at rank 11, they'll use a ticket.
sour oasis
Yes. And if you just play when it's convenient (and don't lose), you will eventually get that reward.
There are two exceptions.
One is day 12; day 12 is when a lot of people will play all their tickets (because it's the earliest day to reach 2200) and it might be hard to squeeze into top 10.
2nd exception is day 14. The last day, the last few hours, players will do the same.
A good way to guarantee the 2500 merit reward is to use all your tickets on day 13.
sour oasis
If you still aren't in top 10, wait until the next refill and use 5 tickets immediately to rush into top 10.
silent yew
any team that gets me wins even if i need leave and start over wil ldo
sour oasis
You will need to sweat if you lose 3 or 4 tickets (lose a fight or sleep through a refill).
silent yew
You will need to sweat if you lose 3 or 4 tickets (lose a fight or sleep through...
i can see the sleep part happening
sour oasis
After 4 losses you will have to worry about getting bonus points, not getting victories worth 9 or 8 points...
sour oasis
Yeah, just use all your tickets when you can. Just in case 
calm mica
Just remember, if you need to sleep, taking an 8 or 9 will be better than a 0
silent yew
Just remember, if you need to sleep, taking an 8 or 9 will be better than a 0
ofc
thx for reminder
ionic hill
general question here, does fleet tech matter in pvp?
light crystal
No
proper sorrel
yes?
fleet tech bonuses do apply to your fleet
but the opponent doesn't have any fleet tech bonuses
flint python
proper sorrel
just another advantage you get as the attacker
candid sluice
thats new to me too
sour oasis
Fleet tech bonuses inflate the fleet power numbers for the defender, but as of the previous previous version of the game, it doesn't affect the fight.
proper sorrel
light crystal
It would be cool if it did, another perk of having Fleet Tech maxed out as also affecting Exercises over someone that's been slacc 
sour oasis
Or to further punish new players
Still weird the game wants newbies to jump into PvP by eating losses
light crystal
They get influenced by some into thinking it's free XP only and what not
candid sluice
if people did their tickets regularly the more powerful fleets should be above the weaker ones
light crystal
||It would help if Manjuu actually revamped the reward system, but until then, it's w/e kek||
candid sluice
but since these lvl100+ players dont do their tickets there are 15k fleet power fleets in low ladder
light crystal
A friend joined Amagi a few weeks ago cuz of another friend
Cuz one of his friends told him I played AL alot he PM'd asking if I was there, but I'm in Washington. Anyway, being new it's probably best to be in Amagi anyway, people are not as advanced in that server I'd think
Most tryhards went to Avrora
sour oasis
Yeah. That's...They're not chilling either.
candid sluice
Avrora and washi are hardest servers for new players to pvp on
sour oasis
You'd think after 3 years some tryhards would retire.
candid sluice
You can never retire from pvp life
trail temple
Considering my washi fleet is really shit, it does fine against washi meta
buoyant parrot
I'm retired tho and a rusher.
trail temple
Retired life isn't too bad
ionic hill
screenshot inside a screenshot
light crystal
screenshot inside a screenshot
next burrow
sour oasis
Annoying. She tends to outlive her main fleet because of smoke. But the smoke doesn't always protect her other vanguard teammates.
remote trellis
@silent yewbro?
quiet heath
Does anyone know the best ships to use for pvp now?
And how do I get past captain rank lol
candid sluice
nj aquila vitorio jun luigi seattle top fleet now at least till we finish pr4
dont miss a large number of tickets and u can easily get captain
candid sluice
she can substitute in for seattle but definitely not as good
quiet heath
Oh dang
light crystal
There's plenty of accessible, non-pr, non-event botes u can use
Juneau, Leipzig, Sandi, Portland, YKKZ, Aurora, Indep, Warspite, Essex, Wales, Duke of York,Nagato, Hiryuu, Akaga, etc
light crystal
This assumes you have missed events and havent gotten some key pr bb's
So more of a case of making do with what's accessible to you
You'd still want them 120 and geared effectively nonetheless
As for Wales, assuming you've missed events, her skill is actually really good
Preloaded, self buff, and usn-wide buffs
candid sluice
yea pow aint too bad esp when half the meta ships are uss
frosty topaz
Why doy in pvp tho
light crystal
Good dps and utility
Unless u got other non-event/pr bb's you can propose in her instead
candid sluice
monarch has unaimed AP barrage
upbeat lodge
how do you even win a hiryuukai-azuma opponent with just NJ-Aquila-Shoukek and SF-Laffkai-Sumner?
upbeat lodge
this is my amagi alt btw
my Sandy is lvl74 and 2/3 MLB, Laffkai is 102
candid sluice
Well with a scuffed vg like that you’re gonna have a rough time against solid comps
oblique silo
Just use NJ VV Aquila Juneau Duca Seattle
sour oasis
how do you even win a hiryuukai-azuma opponent with just NJ-Aquila-Shoukek and S...
You hope to beat them with levels.
If you don't beat them with synergy, beat them with levels. If you don't beat them with levels, best them with equipment. If you don't beat them with synergy, levels, or equipment, you just don't beat them. (Fight someone else on your list or cycle your list out.)
oblique silo
Ask the person to change to a meme fleet
thin cosmos
I tested some fleets and ended with the result of torp far better than seattle.
VV and Duca was necessary when both team use torp. couldn't win even 50% when attacking defense team with both if I don't have both.
winning vg fights only matter when torp VG left or full hp gun ship left, as I tested. And in that case even not big matter.
major point is how much you can protect 2BB specially NJ
linear torp damage insane as we know so quite high chance of cutting 1 ship even with 2 reduction of VV and duca.
about Juneau, I'm not sure against noshiro. noshiro team was more deadly in defense but sometimes too fragile. juneau jintu duca team also could kill back line or heavy damage with some chance but definitely much lower chance.
but they could have more backline hp usually.
so I'm using NJ VV AQ Duca Juneau jintu now and thinking Duca jintu noshiro also very good.
when anchor comes, not sure I gonna change VG since main purpose is killing backline with torp.
candid sluice
were u wiping out the backline or vg with the torps
thin cosmos
both possible but most case bottom backline killed
noshiro team usually can kill vg also but not that matter
against noshiro team, Juneau team lost more than 50%chance of losing vg
when I attacking with Juneau
but win rate was near 80%
I wonder when Juneau defense
also placement matter a lot
NJ must be flag ship
the most safe place
karmic forum
also placement matter a lot
Have you tried different VG placements like Duca offtank?
I've been using Juneau/Noshi/Duca and have come to a similar conclusion that semi-torp teams are pretty good rn.
thin cosmos
Have you tried different VG placements like Duca offtank?
I placed duca at center only since she is main dealer+tanker
always better to put tanker at center to remain at least 1 ship
karmic forum
Do you find juneau dies too late if shes in off tank?
Cause sometimes juneau dies late even in tank position against certain comps
thin cosmos
juneau placed at first so she is in tanking position
candid sluice
Are u using teatorps blacktorp on them or something else?
abstract cypress
NJ cancer getting out of hand this season
iron stream
sometimes my juneau dies faster offtank than maintank
abstract cypress
iron stream
its just the AI being pepega and unlucky when it chooses to change direction
candid sluice
Juneau trailing is a good way to never proc her heal on time
thin cosmos
Are u using teatorps blacktorp on them or something else?
that
candid sluice
Ah so full sending torps
thin cosmos
I just can't find reason for winning VG fights.
candid sluice
You still use juneau in full torps fleet tho?
thin cosmos
It's helpful ofcourse but not worth enough for cutting chance of dealing backline
thin cosmos
You still use juneau in full torps fleet tho?
I do but I found 3 torp more deadly
I just use her due to prevent weaker teams
candid sluice
Jintsu as third then over jun?
light crystal
NJ cancer getting out of hand this season
sour oasis
Worst torps get is 6k non-critical right? Still pretty nasty (especially when five are flying and they critical for four times that) without bulges.
thin cosmos
Worst torps get is 6k non-critical right? Still pretty nasty (especially when fi...
non critical damage isn't that high
karmic forum
I do but I found 3 torp more deadly
Its probably pretty scary on defense, torps prey on triple BB comps but I think cutting juneau reduces consistency on offense.
tall nimbus
not that scary on defense when you can just reset 
oblique silo
Worst torps get is 6k non-critical right? Still pretty nasty (especially when fi...
Yes considering I’ve seen mine do almost 11k crits
light crystal
Torp RNGeesus 
sour oasis
not that scary on defense when you can just reset <:TaihouSmug:58558524231254016...
Death is no longer frightening. It has however become annoying.
candid sluice
That’s why u use manju nj to prevent her from sinking to torps 
tall nimbus
i'd take a reset 3 secs in the fight than a reset 30 sec in the fight all day everyday
candid sluice
Fax 📠
sour oasis
I'd rather take 0 resets because it takes almost 60s to load a fight
thin cosmos
That’s why u use manju nj to prevent her from sinking to torps <:Blessex:7533756...
it's just 8s delay
oblique silo
~~I'd rather take 0 resets because it takes almost 60s to load a fight~~
60s load time
dull hollow
SSD bluestacks gang wwa
3s loading time
is azuma still better off with her signature gun
inb4 who;s still running azuma in pvp
candid sluice
She loses so much by not using it
dull hollow
yah
i guess
i fkin hate using that gun only so
so boring
fk u azuma u basic bitch
candid sluice
So use agir instead
thin cosmos
recorded some against NJ torp team. I wanted to test some more but I killed by mistake.
thin cosmos
About BB main gun fire, it it has more chance for attacking VG, when there are 3 VG ships left than only 1 VG ship left?
And the chance 3times more?
north vine
during 2 CV 1 BB stealth (nagato/hiryuu/shinano), the bb was still targeted more than 3 vg 
frosty topaz
who takes flag in mafia fleets
calm mica
Aquila or VV, depending on who you want WNT on
frosty topaz
wnt?
calm mica
washington naval treaty
calm mica
You have advantage on offense, so yes.
Well, if you don't use it, flag shouldn't matter much as long as it's not NJ
frosty topaz
does top/bottom position matter at all
sour oasis
Only depends on defense fleet
calm mica
Only if opponent has warspite
light crystal
Aquila or VV, depending on who you want WNT on
I dont use WNT for effect, I run WNT off-tank for stats only on AQL
calm mica
Not a bad idea either. Who knows what's best with Anchorage coming out in teams more and more
candid sluice
Vittorio easily takes flag
fleet sparrow
How high on the leaderboard could I go with this fleet, can provide loadouts if necessary
candid sluice
ouch two heavy cruisers
frosty topaz
That fleet suffers from the same problem
flint python
candid sluice
gotta keep that 100% wr somehow
dull hollow
how empty the jp server be
calm mica
candid sluice
time to move to jp
oblique silo
Normally you’d be 13-15k in rank
thin cosmos
here near 1k lol
hexed iron
Anything you guys would change (aside from using mk7)?
frosty topaz
U might want to build for speed somewhere
Usually people put beaver squad tag on some main fleet ship (I think VV in this case)
Maybe swap Juneau's rudder for a boiler too
I use beaver tag on duca but it's because I'm lazy
candid sluice
seems solid but yea could use more speed
hexed iron
I was thinking that but I feel like speed having speed would make smoke less effective, I'll try beaver to start at least
jaunty finch
are you supposed to use the 550 triple on ancorage
worldly cape
Apparently we'll be getting fate sims for Azuma and FdG, do you think they'll shake the meta hard?
candid sluice
what r the effects
worldly cape
It just got announced in Weibo, so nothing about the skills yet
But idk if the luck alone might be enough to bring back FdG into the meta tray
candid sluice
gotta look at the skill improvements first
light crystal
Anything you guys would change (aside from using mk7)?
I would use either Drakegun or Algerie gun instead of AP on Ancho. Also, STAAG instead of Bofor on her. And I would use tanking gear on Duca and rainbow mags. Other than that it looks like a stable build
light crystal
Apparently we'll be getting fate sims for Azuma and FdG, do you think they'll sh...
I'm very keenly interested on FDG, yes. She's already potent in PvP currently when paired with NJ ofc, so F5 should help even more. FDG hasn't been properly teased yet it seems, but I can't picture she getting left out of Sim if Azuma is getting hers. As for Azuma herself, she's not optimal currently, but playable enough. Should gain further viability, if nothing else, for having 15 Luck now, Skills aside.
thin cosmos
Anything you guys would change (aside from using mk7)?
I use 2 457 twin, wnt, 3 British torp
candid sluice
he is using anchovy
undone tree
is USS better than the classic ijn atm?
currently running this, should I swap to uss?
numbers are low because no gear
candid sluice
combo of uss and italians are popular now
that fleet should work jsut fine tho tbh
north vine
watch as in 10s half of yours is practically dead 
candid sluice
but yes uss is stronger
undone tree
whats the uss comp? is it the torp memes with duca?
or just aa with sandy/seattle/etc
candid sluice
torpedo
undone tree
does sea go double main gun or double aa?
candid sluice
she can run both personal preference
worldly cape
What I'm expecting from Azuma's fate5 is her barrage skill to be improved to maybe half the shots needed or higher efficiency bonus from her gun
candid sluice
aoa proc every time she fires mg 
sour oasis
prepare your anus fate5 azuma coming
But where is FdG
sour oasis
fdg in 2021?
No reason for Azuma either
crude mortar
no u
iron stratus
Peps what's better for pvp? Tiger at or bearcat?
candid sluice
is there ever a reason to be running bearcat
candid sluice
i guess if u speed controlling but dont wanna lose out on too much dmg
but id still run pirate instead
rocky shadow
fate5 azuma agir vg
Will it good tho?
I mean fatesim is just improve small thing like skill and luck
worldly cape
Sometimes is just a small upgrade, but others makes a ship go from "There's cheaper and better options" tier to "She's a freaking monster"
iron stratus
Besides niche timing adjustment or something
Oke oke, ty hahah
light crystal
IJN in mid 2021 be like
Like I already said, Musashi can make it happen
trail temple
Like I already said, Musashi can make it happen <:BuckyPride:666111441786372158>
But Musashi/Yamato won't make it happen in mid 2021 though
light crystal
But Musashi/Yamato won't make it happen in mid 2021 though
🤔
candid sluice
Sorry we don’t read here
light crystal
Read my initial comment again
> IJN in *mid* 2021 be like
Oh no I got that the second time, I just feel it's odd to have it worded it like that to begin with
light crystal
Anything can happen
That still doesn't make the way you initially worded that seem any more clearer to me though 
oblique silo
Apparently we'll be getting fate sims for Azuma and FdG, do you think they'll sh...
Probably not. They’ll definitely be more viable but not the best. Fate sims are usually not that good and only provide minor buffs
north vine
IJN next event 
candid sluice
mans trying hard to justify not being able to read
trail temple
Memes aside, we started the year going "lol warkai dead, who uses Warkai in 2021" to now going "Actually, she can be relevant again". The coming events could change the meta yet again, but the fact remains that the mid part of this year has been dominated by NJ + Italian ships, hence I worded it the way I did
thin cosmos
I can't see any option except VV AQ NJ. All others can be countered. warkai ofcourse included
hot creek
IJN will rise again. 
candid sluice
next event gonna have preload ijn carrier and become new meta
stable dawn
inb4 UR DD
thin cosmos
next event gonna have preload ijn carrier and become new meta
is it true? preload carrier?
trail temple
Salty is involved with the leakers
thin cosmos
I can't get what you are saying
candid sluice
just "speculation" dont mind me
thin cosmos
most funny thing is preload carriers are hard counter for carrier so....
IJN hard to come back, they lack BB
candid sluice
only a matter of time till we get nugget 2 aka yamatoes 
thin cosmos
yeah maybe
sour oasis
What if the HP formula is changed to give DD's an advantage
Semi seriously, I'm still cynical of UR AA (if one ever comes around)
candid sluice
the ur torp will come before it
sour oasis
There's already a UR torpedo
candid sluice
Meant quint 610s with the introduction of shimakaze
frosty topaz
UR triple torp
candid sluice
But u didn’t hear that from me
calm mica
Hear me out, UR single torpedo
frosty topaz
dull hollow
UR torp is gonna be
1 per wave
but has reload time of 5s
therefore turning it into a 2nd main gun
imagine
light crystal
breaker
frosty topaz
why not 1000 motion value
crude mortar
azuma is back
worldly cape
Damn, those buffs are as thicc as her
candid sluice
whats her fatesim giving
worldly cape
Also this is the moment everyone who +13'd their Azuma gun is on suicide watch
Wait... between Ägir and Azuma's guns, which one is now better for Azuma?
candid sluice
probably agir
light crystal
Also this is the moment everyone who +13'd their Azuma gun is on suicide watch
It's just 120 plates anyway
And still BiS against Light
I do regret +12'ing Tashgun, however
worldly cape
Yeah, thought we had more than good 2 choices for CB guns
And Agir trades shells for raw alpha
worldly cape
And -10% DMG taken from torps is really good
candid sluice
just smoke thru the preloads
light crystal
And it's 15% torp DR, but yeah
dull hollow
still cant figure out +13 azuma gun
gun that gets used on 1 person
even the 381mm bb makes more sense coz u can shove that around
candid sluice
the thought process was its unlikely to get powercrept bcus its unique
sour oasis
In my defense, I didn't have any other good ships at the moment. ||The +13 heels were very much a mistake||
jovial sedge
Bleh that fat ijn cow... But what Ive wondered that best shipu/ waifu got even better by reteofit now, she more viable in pvp?
And is there pvp list updated or how it even works now I kinda dont even bother with pvp anymorr, but might
mint hornet
jovial sedge
Whut?
trail temple
No Ark Royal isn't viable and no the pvp list is not updated nor is there (really) a guide for pvp
thin cosmos
people tend to ignore others opinion so can't get answer)
For my self I only believe something with recorded result with test group
candid sluice
well there are guides for every other aspect of the game
except maybe cm but that doesnt need a guide
reason why no pvp guide cus the ppl who bother making guides have no clue how to pvp
thin cosmos
when did blunrender disapeared?
thin cosmos
oh so he still playing this game but just don't care about this channel
thin cosmos
I don't blame him)
thin cosmos
where?
candid sluice
the one open to public is alm discord server specifically the aotn channel
thin cosmos
aha so new server, not this server made? can you link there?
and are you there, too?
candid sluice
that servers been up for a while and yea im there
i can send the invite in your dms if u dont mind
thin cosmos
that servers been up for a while and yea im there
thx plz
trail temple
and then there were 0
thin cosmos
hello
candid sluice
jaunty finch
the one open to public is alm discord server specifically the aotn channel
can you inv me to this too
candid sluice
gotchu
trail temple
Salty being like the drug dealer in ALOtown
Yo, you got that link to that pvp server? Gimmie the goods
candid sluice
i dont have the link to the real pvp server tho
ebon kraken
jovial sedge
ark is still best
dull hollow
the fact that nimi bot doesnt ping for this channel anymore
let's do an experiement
and talk about opsi for 1 day
and see what happens
calm mica
U-81 and U-556
candid sluice
guys is shimakaze good for pvp??
light crystal
Bulge on lead VG, and Italian core. And you're set to counter the incoming torp meme
north vine
is yuudachi good for pvp?!
candid sluice
at lvl125 maybe
worldly cape
I hope the new item to unlock level 125 isn't time gated or obtainable by gems
Or else they'll have to implement a scaling mechanic in PvP
crude mortar
is suruga meta now
hallow crater
PVP is gonna be interesting lol
solid dune
Any news about IJN powercreep?
candid sluice
ijn ur and ur retro that tell u enough?
light crystal
The only UR IJN ship that I would've seen as being part of the top tier meta was Musashi. I don't think Shima will change things too much. She probably will be good herself, but not like meta defining, specially with the anti-torp strengths we've got in the Italians
hot creek
thats what everyone said about NJ.
candid sluice
you know what meta it will be shaking tho
analog anvil
Who's the UR retrofit?
covert swallow
yuudachi
analog anvil
Rip, looks like I need to raise her
worldly cape
The thing is that if Shima doesn't get something to bypass resistances, or gets nukes for torps, Italians might remain as meta for another month
light crystal
thats what everyone said about NJ. <:BuckyPride:666111441786372158>
NJ was a BB
I knew an OP BB was easier to do
Ultimately, an OP DD gonna be harder to pull off
DD's are getting some sort of buff soon, so maybe that may help
candid sluice
a buff in asw 
light crystal
a buff in asw <:BiskoLUL:585585239179526145>
The thing is, they already got a buff in that recently
So I'm doubtful it will be ASW related
crude mortar
calm mica
Would be nice to see a gun efficiency buff. 70% efficiency feels like mowing the lawn with scissors with IJN destroyers
dull hollow
the true meta shatter will be le malin
opposing shitkans too busying jerking it
they forget to pause
and lose a battle
goodbye aotn
light crystal
opposing shitkans too busying jerking it
Lose by being distracted and not resetting on time, smart Too bad that the full body sprite doesn't show for VG's activating their skills in battle as they do for Backline
slender tartan
shinano is a really strong CV with really high HP, AVI, lots of torp bombers and also heavy armor. alongside hiryuu retro-nagato and a good staling VG they can pretty much take anyone on EXCEPT MAFIA FLEETS cuz they are different
.
VV-AQUILA-NJ=Mafia. in VG abruzzi is mandatory. juneau also a must imo. yuki could be switched with a seattle or anchorage assuming you have them on good DEVlvl. i would suggest making this if you wanna to follow meta and you have the ships. (granted things might shake up a bit in a few days with shimakaze and yuudachi retro since both UR). PS: ON AQUILA i miss clicked. meant to be sea hornet,expirimental xsb3c-1,wyvern NOT double hornet.
candid sluice
use my crashmemes fleet
slender tartan
she gonna die and be an annoyance regardless idc. plus UI loli. besides enemies are gonna be too busy being dead at 10 secs. cuz NJ
or at least this is what i have to go through every fight. but hey i choose to main IB despite this mafia chaos so my opinion doesnt count . please god have the IJN UR's be good. i miss the fluff
.
calm mica
Running rudders on your main fleet
midnight heron
ok can anyone explain how someone running mafia + jun/ykkz/duca is consistently shooting down my aquila's planes when my mafia + jun/duca/seattle cant even do shit
every single one of my vg is running +13 sexbofors ffs
elder crane
how good is shinano in pvp ?
Shinano shits on the old BB comps but NJ fleets are just too fast/good for her
core is NJ, Aquila, with VV or FdG as imo best options for third but Indep, Warkai, Perseus, Richi are all varying degrees of fine too
vanguard is more flexible, Juneau is pretty much mandatory (semitorpmemes > torpmemes anyways) and ofc Duca is too if you run VV or Birm if you run Indep; good other options include Anchorage, Seattle, Noshiro, yukikaze
elder crane
ok can anyone explain how someone running mafia + jun/ykkz/duca is consistently ...
ikr stupid movement RNG
calm mica
Then you also have the 25% chance Aquila doesn't use her extra planes
elder crane
although I haven't seen ykkz do it, I've seen anchorage or Noshiro who don't have good AA anyways
midnight heron
what bs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
elder crane
although tbf
the extra planes have like no HP
so always shot down pretty much
you can't even get a consistent stealth maintain with NJ+Aql+Percy+Juneau+Seattle+(nonAAcarry) which is just dumb, fricken movement RNG aaaaaa
calm mica
They pad the HP well from what I can tell
loud otter
Shinano shits on the old BB comps but NJ fleets are just too fast/good for her
c...
NJ aquila VV
juneau duca and who ?
loud otter
ah
elder crane
oh I forgot to list Naganami
midnight heron
but how does supposed padding work when ur aa dmg is completely rng
loud otter
naganami instead of duca ?
elder crane
No, Juneau Naganami Duca is the maximum torp bias that's still good imo for semitorpmemes team
calm mica
Well, if all planes are in the AA circle, the damage gets spread
So planes that would normally be entirely shot down live with a small bit of HP and touchdown
elder crane
even without barrage you can still leak planes
due to damage/movement RNG
but yeah that 25% + bad damage movement RNG is why aql fails destealth randomly probably?
Haven't really looked too closely
calm mica
Yeah, make sure your equipment is all good too. Either run avgas or have your planes at +13
midnight heron
its +13 with avga lul thats why its fking bs
elder crane
ikr
calm mica
That sounds crazy unlucky
midnight heron
like at that point wtf's the point of even running avga
elder crane
like at that point wtf's the point of even running avga
more crash for what does go through
higher HP % = higher crash dmg
elder crane
That sounds crazy unlucky
yeah it's just random bs 
midnight heron
not rly that big a diff if only 3 planes reach 
elder crane
Mafia team in general suffers from random bs, mostly from shell targeting, it's pretty annoying
elder crane
not rly that big a diff if only 3 planes reach <:AkashiSleep:588629670585434112>
you usually get a second strike off at least
midnight heron
worst thing is i even tried stupid shit like using 6 aa radars on my vg
and they still cant shoot planes down
/clap
calm mica
Personally, I abandon crash damage and just go with swordfish support. Not even using gas and the +13 swordfishes have only been shot down before firing once in like 3 seasons
elder crane
well you want two CV/L for that
one means you need to leak at most three (and even that can screw you w movement RNG)
make sure you have the one you want stealthed not opposite enemy Aql and it kinda works
candid sluice
its probably because how defense vanguard is positioned
they have way more space to shoot down your planes than you do
elder crane
that's a thing too I guess, although note defense plane AA is weakened from the dmg penalty so
midnight heron
ok then
candid sluice
before preload was a thing enemy vg had a better chance of shooting down intercept planes and preserving their detection
dull hollow
jp lulw
all i did was 10x consectuvie hits
midnight heron
anyway thx for the response guys tho i still wanna choke whoever keeps shooting my planes down with low aa vg 
elder crane
anyways to explain what I meant by having two CV/L for those who don't know yet
has to do with spotting mechanics
all CV/L start with (base evasion, not equipment!)+50 stealth meter, usually a bit over 100
for planes reaching main:
you get hit by +25 spotting on nearest CV/L to suicide location (independent of crash dmg)
+15 to rest
With planes spreading out from the CV location, running two CV/L with one not opposite Aql and ideally the other flag, the corner CV/L usually isn't closest and so can technically eat up to 7 planes without being spotted
other interesting details:
+32 spotting for being set on fire (includes special fires like Richi)
+16/20/24 for first/second/third airstrike launched
+10 for most barrages activated
+10/s for opposing vanguards in blue zone
candid sluice
probs their jun proccing aa mode too
dull hollow
anyway thx for the response guys tho i still wanna choke whoever keeps shooting ...
lul my entire aquila strike disappeared
to a junny Duca Azuma comp
and im like
midnight heron
anyways to explain what I meant by having two CV/L for those who don't know yet
...
if only i had perseus 
dull hollow
elder crane
if only i had perseus <:WarBlank:753375682620555284>
is more useful for indep teams imo
those can reasonably run a fair bit of AA, and Indep doesn't gimp her stealth meter w preloaded strikes
midnight heron
lul my entire aquila strike disappeared
candid sluice
wait so theres a priority on which carrier gets revealed based on position?
candid sluice
holy fuck
midnight heron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/886818065847840798/unk...
i would if i had 2 457
elder crane
I got three and I still wouldn't run that garbage
light crystal
~~I got three and I still wouldn't run that garbage~~
Belive it or not Mafia can struggle against this
elder crane
but yeah, here's hoping our two new UR IJN DD sux in PvP
elder crane
~~Belive it or not Mafia can struggle against this~~
what trash are you running if offense mafia has issues smh
light crystal
Well, the popular strat is using Richy/NJ/FDG it seems, I'm trying something else
elder crane
if it's defense then yep mafia can sometimes derp really hard
not spotting aql = for the most part
light crystal
Well see, I believe the key to make triple BB viable again is Ancho
calm mica
Mine tied it this season. You just need your NJ and VV to be whiffers and for theirs to snipe properly
light crystal
Ancho makes it hard to kill VG with preload airstrike, and then CV starts becoming a liability, over just triple BB
elder crane
I guess if they really snipe out your vanguard? hard to do tho w most of the setups for that
midnight heron
ah yes the usual nj shooting and completely whiffing vg while enemy nj snipes all 3 shots at ur aquila, fun times
elder crane
Ancho makes it hard to kill VG with preload airstrike, and then CV starts becomi...
not destealthing aql means she literally MVP over NJ 
"liability" sure
light crystal
Well, I've been testing around 🤔
Ancho/YKKZ makes fleet more turtle than you'd think
elder crane
plus mafia never relied on killing enemy vg early
I've noticed anchorage doesn't even cover nonHPFCR VV too
elder crane
Ancho/YKKZ makes fleet more turtle than you'd think
haven't had issues vs those at all surprisingly(?)
midnight heron
funny thing i fought someone whose ancho lasted the entire fight and dragged the match to like 1+min while every other of his ships died
light crystal
Well I wouldn't lie, I see and test in the field first before coming to conclusions
FDG-F5 would probably further cement triple BB meta tbh
calm mica
Ancho definitely tanks better than any other VG ship hands-down. YKK not so sure, unless you're getting pretty lucky
elder crane
funny thing i fought someone whose ancho lasted the entire fight and dragged the...
I've done that myself a few times, yeah
would be nice if she did more than just some dmg sponge in those cases esp if some of main got focused down early, which is probably why she's that healthy, from nothing targeting her
ykkz is about on par with quite good luck
light crystal
We know for sure two things: DR F5 gives 25 Luck and tweaks two skills.
elder crane
anchorage drags ykkz in team down a bit though
due to lower speed
and also needing rudder optimally
in that case you yeet VV 100%
light crystal
Hmm, I'm testing with Kaine atm, I don't actually use this comp in Attack
candid sluice
so if u were gonna use jun ancho ykk what would the backline be
light crystal
Using standard Mafia, but I've been experimenting with defense based on wut I've seen from going against triple BB comps lately.
elder crane
no Duca = FdG > VV imo
calm mica
Either FDG or WSkai
light crystal
Currently running Pyoko and FE on YKKZ
elder crane
still think worst defense to be up against as meta team is torpmemes by far
light crystal
still think worst defense to be up against as meta team is torpmemes by far
Shimakaze can be scary
elder crane
ye ikr
light crystal
That's why I dont wanna give up on using Duca/VV
elder crane
hoping both UR DD don't end up PvP viable
light crystal
Torp counter measure.
elder crane
I guess if they make torps less RNG somehow I don't mind as much
oblique silo
So what’s the best triple BB backline? Haven’t really tested it that much
calm mica
Someone was running rudders main fleet earlier, maybe we'll have torpedo bulge main fleet showing up
elder crane
if it really becomes torp focused the best hard counter is percy+aql
calm mica
NJ, FDG and Richy?
elder crane
Someone was running rudders main fleet earlier, maybe we'll have torpedo bulge m...
torp bulge doesn't even help though
oblique silo
NJ, FDG and Richy?
I’ll try it
elder crane
+30% DR just gets blasted right through if HMS torp lands
calm mica
Yeah, burn barrages will reveal pretty well usually
elder crane
4 fires needed on offense
on defense, 3 if vanguards chip in at all
light crystal
@elder crane Did u see Shima barrage?
It looks neat
Bullet hell + 2 slahses + torp wave
elder crane
<@!430396894993186816> Did u see Shima barrage?
waiting on numbers basically
light crystal
I just hope they dont force us to use blue gun to proc something
Would be nice if we could put 114mm on her at least or something
elder crane
100 mm for the AA obvs
unless you're expecting IJN torpDD gun to do anything
shima guns irl/in WoWS are pretty garbo too
light crystal
I don't expect her to have 2 gun mounts, or higher than 100% eff or anything, but I also dont want her to have 70 FP, and 75% Eff, and a gun proc based skill
elder crane
something like 70 FP and 75% Eff is sadly basically inevitable
but the barrage looks like skill barrage I think?
candid sluice
thats pretty much standard on torp dds
light crystal
Shima guns are not THAT bad in WoWs
elder crane
so hopefully no blue gun needed
China WoWS has the pre-buff versions still iirc, before they boosted the alpha
light crystal
They hit hard for a DD, just low rate of fire
candid sluice
wasnt it revealed in lb screen
elder crane
idk haven't looked too closely
yeah WoWS shima guns (even pre-buff) are surprisingly ok, but the reputation is that they're hot garbage, which is what matters here
light crystal
She seems like she may have some ninja motifs based on illustration
So may get some sort of DR, or eva rate bull crap
If she has nice eHP and crazy torps, that would be nice
elder crane
the two IJN DD with that kinda stuff is Shigure and Ykkz though
no ninja motif there
all the ones with that are garbage have offensive skills only iirc
if a lot of her dmg is barrage that'll help limit her too, unless barrage is preloaded
is part of why aya wasn't ever that good in PvP, since the 20 s barrage is a good chunk of her dmg
candid sluice
@elder crane
elder crane
tch
candid sluice
aoa barrage lol
elder crane
almost certainly has a skill barrage too though at least
light crystal
🤔
elder crane
also time to validate my musings on the quint 610
they even made blue 76 upgrade in gear lab no?
purple gun but then they shit on the RoF which is ?????
light crystal
0.5 is the CD right
elder crane
ye, although the absCD inflates that pretty hard
elder crane
well is not a minimum per se, it's added CD to displayed amount
light crystal
theres a hard cooldown minimum on dd guns
That's why I said, it's 0.5 on all ships
candid sluice
i thought that was hard cooldown
elder crane
no they fixed the hard cooldown issues like a year ago
yeah targeting is sometimes too
and 76 mm has range issues too
anyways is +8/8.5/9 frames on cooldown for DD/CL/CA guns, +15 frames for AA gun iirc
calm mica
Wait, so is playing on 60 FPS giving you more DPS?
crude mortar
candid sluice
🟦 👈 👉 🟥
crude mortar
die
candid sluice
shinei
thin cosmos
oh a lot of chat has been done.
and I think niko showed well why triple BB can't be meta
ripe latch
and I think niko showed well why triple BB can't be meta
can
ripe latch
thin cosmos
or did you try several times to win?
thin cosmos
pretty sure classic mafia could beat them
worldly cape
3xBB looks more of a counter attempt to the current Italian meta
But flops hard to anything with 2 CVs or more
Mostly because the stealth mechanic and they rely on the RNG of a Duca torp to mitigate that dmg
thin cosmos
and about new ranibow torp, I just can't see it's usefullness due to spread
worldly cape
Looks more like a nuisance on defense fleets with black and rainbow torp
candid sluice
quint 610s? yea nah i dont see it either
thin cosmos
hms torp hit much more times
about 2DD, all would depends on skill set but pretty sure can be meta if they are upgraded version of naganami
rugged harbor
Are akagi and kaga still viable if I want to climb pvp ranks?
thin cosmos
basically pvp rank is just how you actively sandbagging
might be different story for rank 10 at the end but just touching is so easy with anyteam
rugged harbor
Imma sandbag my way to <1000
candid sluice
akaga is suck
thin cosmos
I never tested akaga basically..
rugged harbor
returnee from 2019, what's this hidden mechanic thingy they always mention in tier list?
thin cosmos
it wasn't on my test group even..
candid sluice
carrier detection system
basically if that bar doesnt fill up they cant be targeted and get dmg boost
rugged harbor
how to proc hidden?
candid sluice
and they fill up when planes reach backline ships go past red zone line on your side and your ships burning
in pve the bar slowly goes back down and ur carriers go back to hidden but in pvp they dont go down
thin cosmos
scroll above and see bluerenders chat
rugged harbor
Ahh was it the bar beside ships' icons?
First time seeing the bar so I'm guessing that is it
candid sluice
yeah the bar next to carriers
rugged harbor
i see thanks~
candid sluice
basically bar not filled = good
dull hollow
allow me to show u
the phd thesis
regarding mgm + 1 ghost timings
iirc the take away was
putting 2 seattle gun on seattle
was kinda int
coz it made her guns jam
calm mica
Wait, so she would stop firing?
light crystal
They fixed that ages ago tho
thin cosmos
They fixed that ages ago tho
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/886941450724597770/Desktop_Screenshot_2021.09.13_-_15.45.12.01.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/886941498917158932/Desktop_Screenshot_2021.09.13_-_15.48.42.20.png
how do you think about this?
light crystal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/886941450724597770/D...
Nothing?
stable dawn
considering I just beat the crap out of Kaine's fleet with no real effort, I'm convinced triple BB without Juneau is a meme on the level of manjuu NJ
light crystal
I haphazardly put that together to test against Kaine, because he was dumpstering my Mafia, so I'm experimenting around with triple BB's
I want to replace FDG with MP in the meantime. FDG wouldn't be the superior choice until she gets FS5
light crystal
considering I just beat the crap out of Kaine's fleet with no real effort, I'm c...
You say that, but he walled me lol
And I told u this
thin cosmos
gear?
light crystal
Well, I say wall, but it was one reset in last 5-6 mins or so, I didn't wanna risk another reset and possibly end up overcapping 🤔
thin cosmos
plz show your gear
also my point here is even in case triple BB is stronger vs mafia it can't be meta if it lose to akaga
stable dawn
tbf this is a juneau-less fleet
anything without juneau is automatically bad
That is the law of PvP.
light crystal
This was an earlier fight in that same day, not the one in last 10 mins of eos climb
In the one I had to reset the last run my entire backline was dead, and it was just my VG alive, so ofc it was heading for a lost
stable dawn
I suspect Anchovy + Juneau + Ykkz will actually enable triple BB properly on both attack and defense
light crystal
But because it happens 40+ seconds into the battle, it takes a long time to restart the battle
As I said, Ancho can protect the VG against AQL/Perseus preload
So then you win against Mafia because it's 3 BB's vs 2 BB's, so u got better DPS then
thin cosmos
I suspect Anchovy + Juneau + Ykkz will actually enable triple BB properly on bot...
the question is can you kill opponent vg fast enough?
thin cosmos
stealth AQ?
stable dawn
can be detected by richi and fdg barrage
thin cosmos
and there are 2 or 3CV teams
light crystal
Maybe Richy might be better than VV tbh
VV/FDG is probably not a good combo, which is why I want to use MP instead
stable dawn
not sure if it's a bug but it's been around since the CV stealth feature was released
light crystal
Richy/FDG/NJ seems to work better
tall nimbus
not sure if it's a bug but it's been around since the CV stealth feature was rel...
is it on attacks?
stable dawn
who is this other borgar? :O
tall nimbus
enemy riche never revealed shit to me
stable dawn
tall nimbus
can't test bcuz i dont hab riche
tall nimbus
who is this other borgar? :O
light crystal
I don't think MP barrage will reach backline, which is a problem. But if it can do good dmg against VG, that could be a plus. Ultimately, MP can have very high shelling capabilities against backline anyway with Duca lead + VV buffs
thin cosmos
not sure if it's a bug but it's been around since the CV stealth feature was rel...
definitely not
FDG barrage target only infront of it
light crystal
Does Richy barrage reach backline? I forgot. I dont pay too much attention. Even when I did Richy/JDA back in the day, I thought of her barrage as mostly hitting the VG
stable dawn
it definitely hits but burn is rng
thin cosmos
and the bar grow very slow with hit
light crystal
it definitely hits but burn is rng
Does it hit all 3, or just opposite FS?
thin cosmos
must need burn from fdg
karmic forum
I don't think MP barrage will reach backline, which is a problem. But if it can ...
sad if true
thin cosmos
so you can't detect 2 cv without winning vg
stable dawn
no idea, might need more testing
karmic forum
I can test whether MP barrage reaches
light crystal
The reason why I don't wanna run Richy in PvP anymore is because I'm using on OpSi, so I dont wanna have to put PvP Aux on her
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I can test whether MP barrage reaches
My own MP is almost Dev 29 atm, and close to lv 120 in XP. Also Affection in high 190s
But I'm saving for Shima event, so I don't wanna pay 20k to Awaken her (Lv 105 atm, just has the XP banked)
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Nvm I can't since she's in a long comm
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So the earliest I can actually try MP would be sometime after event
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My own MP is almost Dev 29 atm, and close to lv 120 in XP. Also Affection in hig...
Just run her in PvP right now and test it you don't need her to be maxed to confirm this
Unless she's not SL10
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Just run her in PvP right now and test it you don't need her to be maxed to conf...
I guess
She's SL10 ofc lol
The gun is because I'm 1:1'ing her at 7-2 with a VG I want to have MVP instead. Raising funds for Event while training her
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how much gold you got now?
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For science
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how much gold you got now?
170k hard cash. With missions + comms, 190k~
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It doesn't help I get some research every now and then I just have to take
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yeah kinda wish we got 5 research refreshes a day
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Like 30m equip research. I've been able to get like 7 Tenrai BP's in the span of 4-5 days for some reason, inane.
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29/50 atm
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But yeah, gotta control myself. Gotta get Shima and co 
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ok I found old video. this is just after stealth mechanic but BB vs 2cv not much changed except both VG survive longer
you can see you can't detect hiryuu
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It appears to reach. As it's narrow though, most hits the Flagship
Well, even if it reached the backline, since it's SAP/HE, its Heavy dmg is extremely poor
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so you give up her?
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so i no give up her.
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main gun to 457 secondary to 128
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ah well u got some ways to go then
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but I'm using it in vittorio
what about her?
doesn't she benefit from using AP gun?
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no give the 457 to nj
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oh
if it contains at least one other pasta ship
right
so...
do I swap the HE rainbow with her?
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twin128 gear lab ironblood destroyer gun
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dun have the yellow
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twin128 gear lab ironblood destroyer gun
oh you can build it?
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did u send it twice
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mustve been the wind
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@lime rivet Would I be able to get some help again?
