pvp

[winged holly]

or is it just those

[light crystal]

Your "mom" is so Italian...

[candid sluice]

when a new season starts too

[trail temple]

That's yours bro, that's why you were hardcore frothing at mafia fleet

[light crystal]

I do have a cousin that lives in Italy, that about it

@trail temple r u gonna suggest i have German relatives now cuz im pushing a kms comp?

[trail temple]

Yeah I will actually

[candid sluice]

Yea your dad is probably german

[light crystal]

[abstract cypress]

new good shits always comes when im hiatus

been missing shinano, now new jersey with op gun

[trail temple]

Reject NJ

Embrace IJN

[candid sluice]

why not ijn nj

[trail temple]

Because we can't have the Japanese and Americans work together

Doesn't make sense

[flint python]

[sour oasis]

NJI || IJN

[tribal relic]

Can I get a counter fleet to mafia?

Besides mirror

[royal oyster]

not playing pvp

[slender tartan]

you can also try refresh. granted this fleet spreads like a virus the higher you go. its only a matter of time until you refresh and all your fights are mafia and you are out of refreshes. seasons ends in like 1d 12hr. so yeah maybe stopping is better. and just dont touch exercises again until someone macgyver's a solution to this beside mirror. cuz right now. shit aint even funny anymore. its just sad

[hot creek]

[brazen socket]

should aquila take middle in pvp for stealth?

[elder crane]

if you take only 1 CV, there's no effect on stealth by position

if you take more than one, side is best, esp the side farther from enemy CV
I rec side for Aquila anyways due to survivability issues

tbe the difference comes from that suiciding planes add 25 spotting to closest CV/L and 15 to rest
mid therefore usually takes the most spotting, and if 2 CV, shields the other CV somewhat (or you can go one on each side to split spotting more evenly)
and planes tend to bias a bit towards the side if launched from the side
note this is completely separate from suicide damage, which selects target randomly

[sour oasis]

FFNF + IJN + USS + Prayer.
Two USS vanguard (PR) can have enough AA to stop Aquila's stealth reveal, Azuma (PR) can bully CL vanguard, Torpedo meme (event + drop) have a chance to 1HKO enemy NJ, JdA (event) can draw NJ's barrage (if she survives the first 30s) in the 2nd 30s.
Just have to (hope to) kill the enemy vanguard early, then hope again NJ focuses on a corpse of a ship.

All these UR (FdG, Sandy and Drake, Warspite, Azuma, Shinano, NJ) have power crept each other, and are just unfair to players without UR at all.

[ebon kraken]

So working as intended

[dull hollow]

when will they make noshiro strong again

so i can have feet atdan gang

[candid sluice]

noshiro indep meta when

foot meta

[dull hollow]

next season opsi will give us an actaully useful rainbow torp

then all we need is an event with foot/toes skins

and it's all set

[candid sluice]

🦶

[stable dawn]

[sour oasis]

Just like limited and event ships
||Except this time, PR and rare dropped ships (how hard does this hurt CN players?) won't help||

[worldly cape]

The day we get a way to counter/negate Juneau's heal because Duca and Birmingham is what can make those 2 able to work together

[karmic lake]

lel

[candid sluice]

youre struggling with jun heal?

[north vine]

when jun retro for more heal

[flint python]

Jun even more tanky

[worldly cape]

More like her heal is such a staple these days that you can't just get rid of her

Unless you are going all in for torps

[crude jetty]

what planes work best for independence?

[radiant brook]

Whatever has high crash dmg

So wyvern?

[candid sluice]

if youre not gonna time her for smthing specific then tigercat wyvern

[elder crane]

*rocket wyvern
But yeah

[calm mica]

Anyone know what the score threshold is for +8 instead of +9? Going for EoS tonight

Don't want to just assume it's -35 and lose by a point from not really knowing for sure

[sour oasis]

Almost positive it's -35 (if not -36) to -70 (71)

It is rarer to get someone in that range when you're in the top 100 getting fights from the top 200.

[calm mica]

Yeah, it's mainly when you do your final exercise and you pull someone rank 50+ at best I believe

[sour oasis]

But rank 50+ should still be 20~30 (and not 40+) points away from you.

[candid sluice]

if youre top10 1/10 and far left is sub30 i would be shitting my pants

[sour oasis]

Sub 30 rank or sub 30 in score difference?

[candid sluice]

sub30 rank

few seasons ago i ate -2 from rank20sih

[light crystal]

But now you're food, so it's ok

[candid sluice]

yes i am the forbidden fruit

if u eat me youre probably outta eos running

[light crystal]

Nah, u will feed others, who will in turn feed others, and so on, until you indirectly feed the Alphas of the server. It's all part of the food chain

[candid sluice]

cant feed the food who already fed the hungry

[trail temple]

I was gonna be food this season, But I wasn't cooked long enough so I got up and ran away

[abstract cypress]

sandbaggers are betas

alpha rush all da wey

[light crystal]

The Alphas feed off the Betas. The Alpha are at the top of the food chain, as they eat everyone that came before them

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[candid sluice]

you havent seen a sigma male then

[stable dawn]

a sigma male wouldn't even play the game

[light crystal]

Any guy would play a waifu game for their waifus.

[ancient furnace]

Hello! theres some way to win more than +9/+10 points in pvp in the last days? or it is like that at X rank?

[candid sluice]

Here is the chart on bonus points per rank

Basically in order to get a +11 you must win against someone that is 35 points ahead of you

[ancient furnace]

ohh so rushing isnt reall

really needed**

so.. waiting to have 10 try is the we?

[candid sluice]

basically yeah it gives you the most chances of having someone with more points than you

[ancient furnace]

Uhhh okai, thanks you dude

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749898857567223848/871710249525067776/power_of_friendship.gif

[coral wren]

which server is that? those scores are high

[candid sluice]

Avrora

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/849980106969710603.gif?v=1

[trail temple]

@lime rivet Can I collude with you?

[lime rivet]

need me to rush?

[trail temple]

Yes please

[candid sluice]

colluding with mods?

[trail temple]

I learnt from the best

[coral wren]

how is collusion useful in pvp?

[lime rivet]

I rush out early, he hits me for maximum bonus points

[trail temple]

All done?

[lime rivet]

not yet, i had 10 attacks and there's an annoying number of damecon enterprises in my lineup

[trail temple]

[lime rivet]

@trail temple okay, now i'm done. 435 points

[trail temple]

Thank you very much

[candid sluice]

where are the mods in amagi server smh

i wanna collude too

[light crystal]

I thought u were food tho

[flint python]

[worldly cape]

Juneau skin incoming!!

[covert swallow]

nope, it's juno skin

I thought same thing too

[worldly cape]

Weird, double checked the JP names

Unless they are written the same

[covert swallow]

they are

juno and juneau are both ジュノー

[worldly cape]

Did you check CN notes?

[covert swallow]

skin name is ちょっと美味しい日

I thought we were finally getting juneau skin

[worldly cape]

Aw shoot, thought was a new skin, it's just a rerun

[light crystal]

One day, Kaede, on day you will come through for us with Juneau skin.

[crude mortar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/k56s28OeVO0lUDbK4j/giphy.gif

[ripe latch]

[dull hollow]

ppoogers

[light crystal]

Too bad u dont need more than just one Wyvern for PvP anymore

[dull hollow]

yall rly think

they aint gonna add

more cv stackers

all torp slotters

[light crystal]

i rly think

they aint gonna add
more cv stackers
all torp slotters

[candid sluice]

preload carrier with 3x fighter slots will be new meta

[light crystal]

it will be super metallica

[elder crane]

Time to run VH Azuma + Agir

50% mod vs heavy

[candid sluice]

but 130% against other planes

[elder crane]

if vanguard doesn't die that won't matter

[north vine]

imagine countering 2/8 of aquila's plane then proceed to get fcked harder by the remaining ones

[elder crane]

imagine those ever hitting

[candid sluice]

just smokescreen lul

[elder crane]

the real solution is just anchorage yeah

[north vine]

ancho smoke wears off on NJ's 10 right

[elder crane]

...duh?

but if you speed torp her she comes back up for her normal shelling

[north vine]

im not the smartest in math

[elder crane]

10 > 5 yes yes

[north vine]

[elder crane]

you can't cover both anyways since NJ shells at 15 s and 15 s - 10 s = 5 s

is more valuable to cover shelling+barrage than just barrage anyways

if you want to meme it up, run JdA too for maximum shieldz

[trail temple]

I heard you like shieldz

[candid sluice]

nj 10sec barrage is whifflord anyways

[elder crane]

is Nagato tier

your NJ always miss

their NJ always smashes your VG for 50% of their HP and also either nukes Aquila before she reloads or smacks your NJ for a few k

[candid sluice]

yeah my vg never fails to stand still at 10sec mark and get assblasted by nj barrage

[light crystal]

Sounds to me like a case of Git Gud. Clearly you're not Darling enough for NJ to try hard in your behalf.

[elder crane]

naw is just the usual selection bias

you never remember being laucky, just always unlaucky

[light crystal]

always unlaucky

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/871691141001666610.png?v=1

[worldly cape]

So what gun is better on NJ? Twin 457 or UR triple 406?

[light crystal]

457 for sure

[radiant brook]

I heard ppl using low level anchorage to great effect in pvp

Can a lvl 80/d20 anchorage do the same?

[worldly cape]

Maybe the reason low level Anchorage works is because the extra dmg she takes translates into breaking the barrier earlier and triggering on the right time her eva

[covert swallow]

I started using her at dev10 level 60, she works fine, but obviously at that level if she gets hit with anything not during her shield skill she'll just die

[radiant brook]

Jesus christ

Manjuu anchor instead of manjuu Juneau at tank now?

[covert swallow]

I was using manjuu on her for a while just to help her get out 2nd smokescreen for my other vanguards since she's underleveled. But I find it better on NJ once she's actually leveled

[radiant brook]

I'm still not sold on the manjuu NJ thing

[covert swallow]

you just gotta experience a NJ with manjuu 1v3ing your backline when you think you're about to win

I personally don't like anchorage manjuu idea, since she already outlives my duca half of my fights, and she's only level 101

[worldly cape]

Manjuu NJ is just Hiryuu 2.0

But with even better damage

[light crystal]

Manjuu Juneau? Bruh

[candid sluice]

people still manjuu their juneaus?

[light crystal]

people still manjuu their Jerseys?

[candid sluice]

me? use manjuu nj? cant be

[flint python]

God Nj 1v3 backline

[candid sluice]

gotta be some other saltyarrow guy whos using manjuu nj

[elder crane]

you mean like, pops at 4 s so immunity til 6 s instead of no immunity so only 5 s shield?
I guess could be a thing
but It doesn't seem likely

[dull hollow]

everyone sending out a literal child to be bullied

[north vine]

im an african warlord so

[candid sluice]

It’s called Human Resources

[trail temple]

They're more effective than grannies being sent out

[tranquil badge]

If Anchorage does enter this meta, who would she replace from the 'meta' vanguard

Hypothetically

[worldly cape]

I guess Seattle as the Aquila spam is strong

[candid sluice]

either luigi or seattle

im banking more luigi booted

[worldly cape]

Doubt it

Luigi torps are still something that can trigger an early Juneau death

And she's also a must if you run VV for the preload

[timid current]

im testing MP so i dumped seattle

[candid sluice]

boot luigi and vitt use a better backliner

[timid current]

MP is a better backliner

[worldly cape]

Then let's consider who's a better backline to replace VV, or just discard options

[candid sluice]

yep lizardwoman supremacy 🤝

[worldly cape]

I'm checking her kit, and that doesn't sound like a crazy idea

[candid sluice]

sap ammo is the future

[timid current]

since vv is best in flag, mp is good swap

bc her flag position barrage is pretty

[worldly cape]

And she also checks out torpedo fleets (as long as your VG runs into them)

[timid current]

yep

[worldly cape]

I think we'll be needing more PvP aux gear given the fact MP/NJ/Aquila/Jesus/Anchor/Seattle will be a strong fleet for the next months

WarKai might do a comeback, but as long as someone figures out a way to counter Aquila's first strike

[candid sluice]

anchovy

[worldly cape]

I mean of countering also the crash dmg, not just the strike on VG

[leaden sky]

UR AA

[worldly cape]

I wonder how insane would be a full VG kitted with Sexfors and double +10 radar against the most optimal Aquila

[light crystal]

I've toyed with the idea of MP, NJ, AQL, Juneau, Ancho, Seattle myself

[leaden sky]

So how did it go

[timid current]

rn when not against torps im trying to put duca in lead and juneau in back without defensive gear to see how good the 170%AA/155%main is

[light crystal]

I dunno, ask me in 2 month or so

[timid current]

yeah still need more bps lol

[light crystal]

Ancho smoke SHOULD help with torps

U can also just put Bulge on Lead Juneau, together with 5 DR from JN should be good enough

Or put Ancho as lead, immunity to all dmg at the start

[worldly cape]

That leaves you to see if Juneau can take the last 2 torps of Duca

Or the last 12 if you run against a full torp autism VG

[timid current]

yes but then you have the extra torp shields from MP which become kinda useless

[light crystal]

It should be OK, worst case, if they're running full torp VG anyway, they're not running any Juneaus themselves, so sacrificing Juneau at the start should be fine

[timid current]

if you are countering them anyways with bulge/ancho

[light crystal]

Ultimately, torp meme defenses are rare as well to begin with

[flint python]

What'd you guys think Aurora offense

[light crystal]

Should't have to worry about something you'll see once every 20 games or so, that's high reliant on RNG and ur likely to demolish anyway, cuz lolAQL

[timid current]

love watching low hp torpers get crit by a wyvern

[worldly cape]

I just hope that new comp with MP and Anchorage has an exploitable weakspot

Because if it doesn't, then we'll be with a case of "Unbeatable unless mirror" again

[timid current]

oh well, at least its simpler and you can afk the game harder

tbh in my case i have work to do so sometimes i jsut straight up forget i started an exercise and look down and i got memed

[tranquil badge]

Aurora offense in 2021

[north vine]

[candid sluice]

U gonna need to hit the vg somehow

[hot creek]

I've been using Aurora on offense. She accelerates the VG battle for better or worse, which is good either way if you're using manjuu NJ.

[elder crane]

if MP becomes meta then it's extra horrible cause barrage %rng

[worldly cape]

But as a tradeoff you get utility

[timid current]

at least its not 40%

[dull hollow]

when does atdan do pr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/821050337958821939.png?v=1

[clear briar]

She definitely works against EVA sets like Suzutsuki and Yukikaze

I use her for those

[candid sluice]

atdan new meta when

[light crystal]

still waiting for your mom meta

[clear briar]

Waiting for Aoste META

[plain carbon]

why would you kick VV for MP?

the point is that she gets an almost preload barrage if paired with aquila / Duca

[candid sluice]

unless paired with slow she whiffs most of the time

[plain carbon]

so you go
NJ / VV / Aquila
Duca / Junea / X

[candid sluice]

and we thinking of dropping luigi anyways

[flint python]

Whiff queen

[candid sluice]

only time vitt hit my vg is your fleet cheap

[flint python]

It has Aurora so

[candid sluice]

i mean slow also helped

aurora only helps when the shells hit vg

[flint python]

She helps 818 hit rate too so (too bad she can't hax geo acc)

[candid sluice]

thats why boiler new meta

[calm mica]

Yeah, swordfish Aquila really helped VV hit, it also lasted long enough for NJ's first barrage. If you can blow the defense vanguard away, NJ and VV go in a lot more on main fleet so no wyvern damage doesn't really matter

Of course, Anchorage is going to force VV preload out, so this is pretty temporary advice

[flint python]

Kris has Anchorage didn't have any problem deleting vanguard so far (but I still used Aurora so )

[calm mica]

What was the whole vanguard?

[elder crane]

Also anchorage is like dev20 atm

And probably not max oath

[candid sluice]

his is dev25 oathed

not sure if 200 aff yet tho

[elder crane]

You sure dev25?

[candid sluice]

he sent the ss yea

[light crystal]

Im flirting with MP, AQL, NJ, JNU, Ancho, Seattle. I want to eventually try GZ, NJ, FDG, JNU, Agir, Ancho/Seattle

MP's Roman Bukkake looks so spicy

https://streamable.com/7fqspd

[flint python]

His vg was jun duca anchor

[elder crane]

The RNG is to me still
Will be very reluctant

[candid sluice]

is mps barrage fixed or does it have a targeting prio?

havent used her in exers yet

[elder crane]

mp fixed vs opposite main iirc

[candid sluice]

ahh nice

so hidden carriers still get hit eh

[elder crane]

ye and SAP hits med hard

[candid sluice]

also blue do u know if crash dmg is affected by slot efficiencies?

[elder crane]

no

is fixed

SAP is absolutely fucked vs heavy though, it does like no damage VH Aquila meta?

mods on it are 1/1.5/0.5

[candid sluice]

marco forcing aquilas to use vh?

[elder crane]

naw is like marco extra fucked on attack if popular

cause

1. RNG
2. VH on Aquila screws her

[candid sluice]

so what im hearing pow new meta?

[elder crane]

eh, wut

[candid sluice]

whats gonna be new meta once anchovy hits the scene

[elder crane]

literally just run current shit probably

[candid sluice]

that eva rate is gonna be pain to deal with tho

hit stacking not gonna lower rate

[elder crane]

is not like you can do anything about it though
does make Warkai and FdG a bit more interesting as options over VV, and possibly you could yeet Duca

[candid sluice]

already ahead of u

except i dont use aquila for personal reasons

[meager valley]

i thought lemonade stand is the new meta

[candid sluice]

youre not wrong

[calm mica]

brb putting Essex in my pvp fleet now

[trail temple]

always has been

[light crystal]

pretty sure it was your mom

[trail temple]

no urs

[candid sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864969051163066409/865299695722954822/speepoCopium.gif

[brazen socket]

Wait hold on, chihaya and azusa are part of pvp metas?

[ebon kraken]

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

I wouldn't call them meta, but they got some nice synergy going on. You could comfortably integrate them into an existing meta fleet and use on Attack, at least, if you wanna try something new, or use some waifu ships.

Like, AQL/CHIHA/NJ, Juneau/AZU + Seattle/Ancho

Wait, I might try that actually

[candid sluice]

is azusa the ca or cl

[flint galleon]

CA

[candid sluice]

ew

[flint python]

Use AE new meta

[light crystal]

U say that, but I'm willing to bet the comp I just described would probably trounce u

[candid sluice]

That sounds like one of the worst comps I’ve ever seen

[light crystal]

And I bet u haven't even looked at the skills urself to say that, seeing as u didn't even know ship type

Also, I was already leveling them up anyway, now I'm interested to actually level up for trials

[flint python]

Just use Indep kai

[light crystal]

No, I dont like her HP

Chihaya probably hits nearly as hard, and has staying power, and synergy with a good unit (Azusa)

[candid sluice]

all i know is the carrier and light cruiser does anything cool

and i for sure aint memorizing dumb idol names

not even worth leveling doesnt give fleet tech

[light crystal]

The CL doesn't seem to be that good in PvP. The CA/CV seem like a strong duo and easily integratable into existing comps.

Does bren get it now?

[candid sluice]

why would i use ca thats not anchor in pvp? just for a mediocre combo?

aqulia shits on that carrier anyways

cl is at least interesting bcus dmg increase

ca doesnt do shit interesting

[light crystal]

Hardly mediocre, but ok

[candid sluice]

just tank cruiser number 78 get back in line

[light crystal]

If ppl use Independence and Birmingham and thought they're OK, Chihaya and Asuza should be more consistent and flexible. And hell, Asuza happens to give DR to whole Backline too

[candid sluice]

at least brem is cl has immunity and receives dr from nj

[light crystal]

Again, see this.

[candid sluice]

if u just using azusa to buff carrier that gets overshadowed by aquila anyways why not use another uus vg

[light crystal]

Like dude, you're still using AQL, I dunno wut you're on about. Well, in ur case, u dont have her, so I guess u can't really use AQL to counter, but objectively I'm saying it's a decent fleet

[candid sluice]

sure but it for sure aint gonna beat any real meta fleets like u apparently claim it to do

if regular mafia cant beat my fleets that half ass idol garbage isnt gonna do shit

[light crystal]

It would probably beat u easily enough, and I said it's something to try for Attack mostly, until u know how good it is otherwise

Some ppl get tried of using the same fleet all the time, so they would like to try something new. And hell, if it works better than expected and no one else is really using, then it makes it even funner.

[candid sluice]

if not even fleets with aquila trio can beat me regularly then i highly doubt thats gonna put a dent in it

if ur gonna try it out go ahead but dont go claiming things like that

[light crystal]

Claiming wut

I ain't making any claims lmao

Ppl theoryccraft all the time, and some things work better than others, but saying something is weak without even understanding the dynamics and trying it urself, well, I take issue with that

[candid sluice]

sure sure

looking at that ships kit again i can see why i forgot abt her

just the fact shes med armor is massive red flag

and then rng dependent skills and a mg reliant as well

id use the cl before id use the ca

[light crystal]

The CL is even squishier than the CA

And has less synergy with other ships

The CA brings more to the table

[light crystal]

The RNG dependent skill doesn't really impact much, just a side bonus

[candid sluice]

she still would not replace any of the current vg slots

literally a downgrade from everything used right now

[light crystal]

Yes she would in the example I gave

Why are u going all EN on me all of a sudden with your inability to read

Any one singular ship is weak unless paired with the right team, so u build teams to make them stronger

[candid sluice]

go out of your way to turn a bad ship into a mediocre one?

im fine thanks

[light crystal]

Hardly mediocre, but ok

[flint python]

Just test it and come back

[meager valley]

Bruh

Can't wait till we get a good AE

Unlike the idol one

[dull hollow]

i mean the inde binrgham

relied hard on birm being a tank meme

u can abosrb so much damage for free

i dont see asuza doing that

also inde

makes aquila hit like truck

[buoyant parrot]

[trail temple]

Just stack FP/AVI and hit, all backlines hit like trucks

[sour oasis]

Get isekai'd into the next meta

[worldly cape]

The only drawback of Inde is she doesn't hit VG with her torpedoes often because muh mechanics

[light crystal]

https://streamable.com/ptuyl8

Seems to be a set of Ryusei + 6 carpet bombs

[leaden sky]

10 sec barrage

[light crystal]

Realistically, I dont see more than 2 or so carpet bombers hitting tho

Maybe 4 times if lucky

[knotty cave]

Has there been any discussion of updating the PvP tier list? The pins are horribly out of date.

[leaden sky]

Do some research on pvp meta, analyze them and make ur own TL

[worldly cape]

And also aren't the bombers vulnerable to AA?

They move so slow that it's more than likely that they'll be shot down after 2-3 drops given how's the VG meta currently

[brazen socket]

is 107 noshiro enough to tank over a 111 duca?

[light crystal]

I dunno how "barrage" planes work either tbh lol

[trail temple]

Iirc most of the people that worked on that list no longer play the game, so not likely. You can find plenty of good recommendations and resources from ALM, Aoste and many more

[leaden sky]

wrong ping my friend

[candid sluice]

nj t0

there u go

[leaden sky]

[elder crane]

wait yeah what's the point of taking Chihaya over IndeKai again?

[elder crane]

barrage planes work like normal ones except with shitty stats

[dull hollow]

i mean

imagine dabbing on someone

with the blimp bomber

it's not about taking the meta

it's about sending a message

slowly

[light crystal]

I was looking at DPS output and much higher staying power. But if the slow moving blimp can be shot down rather easily, then that's an issue I guess

[sour oasis]

Yes and no. Meta changes so frequently now that no one could constantly update a synergy chart. At the least the pin should be de-pinned... If you want to ping a mod.
||It's also a bit deflating for new players just on Avrora to see all the event locked ships and OS locked equipment||

[knotty cave]

I'm a fairly new player on Avrora and haven't had any issues without Shinano... I did manage to get NJ and the pasta fleet, though, so I have a bit of an advantage over anyone starting today

[sour oasis]

Right. The new meta guide would begin with "So you're done with campaign, Operation Siren, grinded Research for PR, and now want to master PvP mode? ||You can't because the current best ships are UR, locked behind events or a massive research effort while the best equipment is months away in OpSi.||

Good luck catching up to even old casuals though. The UR equipment grind is also pretty death.

[knotty cave]

Those are all good points, especially the UR equipment grind.

At least DR BPs are easier to get now than they used to be.

[sour oasis]

Waiting for the day Azuma, FdG, and Drake go back to being relevant? PR4 DR is still a pain.

[candid sluice]

yeah pvp without access to those ships is massive pain

i thought it was hard to pvp without nagato but it must be a struggle to do it without nj

[sour oasis]

Isn't Amagi not as infested with NJ defenses? Avrora's top 100 is at least half NJ now.

[candid sluice]

a good portion of fleets ive ran into have been mafias and a lot of other solo njs

[covert swallow]

almost every def fleet that isn't your usual troll ark + lolis etc. has NJ in it now on amagi

[candid sluice]

there are a few nagato stragglers tho but yea majority has nj in it

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/862565154721366046/unknown.png

This always takes me back

[sour oasis]

Oof. (Wait, where's Zack these days?)

[mint hornet]

He quit

[flint python]

Dead

[sour oasis]

No one really retires until they install another app
Still talking about NJ from...#somewhere

[dull hollow]

when do we

get Kuuka

type ship

taunts enemy AI to target it

nj goes to the shitter

[crude jetty]

intependence NJ and (enty or essex)?

essex has some nice buffs for full uss fleet

[candid sluice]

third slot personal preference

[sour oasis]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Myoukou
Crazier "Draw Fire" skill? Maybe mix it up with Nelson's Flag?

[dull hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/868794908297818132/ezgif.com-gif-maker_9.gif

prophecy of things to come???

[candid sluice]

myoukou new meta??

[light crystal]

No, new meta is Manjuu NJ with Mk7

[crude mortar]

https://streamable.com/700amm

[candid sluice]

sleeper agents on the ladder?

[dull hollow]

murmansk is meta

pog

[flint python]

Manskmansk

[sour oasis]

😷

[light crystal]

Tryhard Aql

[north vine]

no +13 tenrai

[candid sluice]

wyvern aquila?

[flint python]

818 shill

[light crystal]

WiP

11/50. Saving up the Plates to +13 that puppy as soon as I get it too. Already at 140~ Plane Plates

[safe meteor]

btw, which PR4 ships gonna be for pvp, Anchorage, and maybe Agir?

[light crystal]

Yes, but Marco Polo also looks good. Mostly Ancho and Agir, as you said though.

[sour oasis]

Anchorage pretty slippery. A level 100 I just faced had some pretty good RNG at staying alive.

[covert swallow]

mine is 105 and outlives my other vanguards quite often

[candid sluice]

kris u didnt move so i couldnt test ur fleet

[covert swallow]

ping me next time

[candid sluice]

well i woke up to some other guy who moved so didnt bother

[sour oasis]

⌛

[light crystal]

Any of u Pepega'ing with keeping Red LV1? I think it's too tech-oriented and not all that good for general use, still, interested to know thoughts of others

[candid sluice]

u lose out on too much eva imo

not worth for basically coinflip chances to not proc

[covert swallow]

I didn't like the idea of it, you lose eva + you're still gambling on the skill not activating

[candid sluice]

thats what im saying

[light crystal]

It's very tech it seems, for ppl wanting protection at certain timers

But the thing is, metas are fluid, and not all the fleets are the same

So foregoing stats and missing on potential DPS just to be that tech about something

Like, one trick pony, yeah, I also find it silly

[candid sluice]

i mean its literally 10% less eva

[light crystal]

15% Well yes, technically

[candid sluice]

lvl1 its 5% lvl10 15%

probably not exactly 10% at the end of the day but u know what i mean

[light crystal]

yes, i know u a mean man

[tacit fulcrum]

Somebody can make pvp gear guide pls? I dont have 457mm gun or pvp aulixary for bb and i dont have Seattle at all. I still lose so many exercises, why fuck this channel exist if i didnt find any useful tips for me.

Nj mafia is joke for me, unplayable fleet and loses matches

[candid sluice]

You can always send your fleet here and ask what u need help with

[tacit fulcrum]

I want exatly piece by piece what the hell i should equip

seattle is no option because she is at dev 27 and level 103

[candid sluice]

well a proper setup is obviously gonna have rainbow guns and bis equip

equipment is what makes or breaks a fleet

[tacit fulcrum]

this is all of my inventory

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[tacit fulcrum]

i don't know at all what to equip to this italian idiots

[candid sluice]

well you see those italian bitches deserve the best of the best equipment

nj wants a 457

are you romanian or ukranian by any chance?

[coral wren]

we use the same fleet but i use belfast instead of duca because waifu reasons and to avoid nj 10s barrage with smokescreen. i use the high standard fire control radar for nj instead of sg radar https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=R0LPZv. i also don't have twin 457 so i just use the triple 406 ap gun

[candid sluice]

why do u sg lena with no hpfcrs

[coral wren]

wait i think i saw a bucherlord in amagi server

you can also ask help in #amagi-general since the guys there are kind and helpful

although don't follow the manjuu nj suggestion since that's wack!

[candid sluice]

[coral wren]

i don't have bis equipment all throughout but i can beat those with manjuu nj easily

[trail temple]

The best thing to do in this meta is to beat them before they beat you, with superior firepower, you'll be nuking down mirror mafias very easily. As such I recommend using this, with your current equipment.
https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=rl5RCy
It really accentuates the need for high firepower in your backline so that you'll deal a bit more damage over your counterparts.

[candid sluice]

baget gun nj new meta?

[trail temple]

With the vanguard being mostly light armoured these days, NJ will shred any vanguard with her 3 baguette guns

pew pew pew

[tacit fulcrum]

i don't have single naval gun

and only one triple 152mm

[coral wren]

https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=R0LPZv you can follow this one that i made since i looked at your gears and as a fellow new player in amagi server i understand your struggle

oh wait i didn't see that you only have one triple 152mm

anyway, you can still use the gun that helena currently has

[tacit fulcrum]

now that is duable, but still i have only one 152mm

[coral wren]

then use the triple 152 from the italian event as veneto's secondary gun

[stable dawn]

Personally I prefer to run AP damage on my mafia fleet for maximum penetration since it can hit multiple enemies at once.
I also run defensive gear on NJ so she can live the longest.

https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=Tykvh9

[candid sluice]

oh hes an amagi player?

[trail temple]

The DD guns are largely nice-to-haves, you can swap them around as you see fit. Twin 130s work nicely on NJ and you can use the twin 127s where ever else. I will say though, getting yourself a second twin 134 would be very handy so you have that FP advantage over your opponent

e.g. https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=nYVQLu

[quartz drum]

https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=EyI5b6

[trail temple]

Oh, you don't want to use Manjuu NJ, Manjuu is much better on Helena to ensure she procs at least once, you'll get more damage; nothing is worse than having your Helena not proc Radar scan. Manjuu wastes an aux slot that could be used for offensive stat boosts

on NJ

[light crystal]

Fucking tryhards

[trail temple]

Now that's just flexing, he'll never get that

[candid sluice]

6 rainbow equips??? another pvp standard that players cant achieve

[stable dawn]

full golds is already hard enough. I bet most pvpers only have purple gear

[light crystal]

Flex yo neck the wrong angle

[light crystal]

Waiting for gold versions of the torp bulge and jet fuel to make their way into the game so you can run all gold/rainbow and no purples

[trail temple]

That's a new suicide joke...

[light crystal]

Too bad he didn't appear much on the first movie, yeh

[somber axle]

https://streamable.com/zuaffv

[light crystal]

Approved by Famine.

[drowsy arrow]

Can I have pointer on Aquila's 1st and 2nd plane slot suggestions? I have Wyvern as torp bomber third slot, but that's it atm

[light crystal]

109G or Hornet for Fighter. Some use VF17's. And Experimental HD for DB. Eventually you want a Tenrai.

[drowsy arrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Curtiss_XSB3C_(Experimental)

This is the Experimental HD you're referring to?

[light crystal]

Yes

[drowsy arrow]

Thank you. Now I'll need to figure out vanguard stuff

[slender tartan]

so i actually won against this.

with this

and it took 15mins of my life restarting

would this be better?

[light crystal]

I would put either Liepzig or Mainz Lead instead of Agir

I personally want to run GZ/FDG/NJ, Juneau/Agir/Ancho and see how it does.

[slender tartan]

dunno GZ is just bruh. she better than peter imo. compared to a maxed out august i dunno. i thinking of changing her to a BB. but my options are tirpitz (BRUH) and odin which unless i get her to DV30 and do her fate sim. she is useless. maybe BISKO,FDG,ODIN is better against NJ-AQUILA overall cuz. GZ most of the time aint even gonna get the chance to airstrike. and when she does they got so much anti air which makes it like a slap on the wrist. dunno. do you think triple bb would be better? (also im trying with PURE IB FLEETS)

also when it comes does to the VG. mainz i believe would be a better main tank than leipzig. and agir off tank. so should i give the boots to leipzig and pearl to mainz? i believe she is gonna die first most of the time.

[dull hollow]

one thing

which idk if actualy makes a diff

but

the Experimental SBC

only uses 2 plane parts and instead eats prototype parts

and also has 4x 20mm AA guns

for the longest time I never made any

out of sheer resource conservation

but once I realized they ate different parts

i shat out all the planes

anyway

i think the extra AA guns

makes a big differnece in Aquila preload duels

but no tsure

[wooden pendant]

tell me your on mobile without telling me you are

[dull hollow]

if I were on mobile

the first word of each of my lines wouldve been Caps

coz phones auto caps ur first msg word

[covert swallow]

my eyess

[dull hollow]

🛡️ 🛡️ 🛡️
🛡️ 🛡️
🛡️ 🛡️ 🛡️

[candid sluice]

This guy and light mode discord

[flint python]

[light crystal]

I'm calling it. Gonna be meta.

AQL/Ark-Refit/NJ, LETS GO

[candid sluice]

sleeping on fuso meta

[worldly cape]

Less than 24 hours for the datamines

[candid sluice]

so is oathing anchovy gonna throw off her torp timings

[dull hollow]

if u a marry a kid

i have choice words for u

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

watch ark kai have preload less VV pepega aim

[worldly cape]

I'm expecting her to get either an upgrade to her skill or a new utility skill for DDs

[candid sluice]

Double wyvern preload new meta

[worldly cape]

Because the current elephant in the room in PvE is the fact DDs are near useless, and who else other than the lolicon CV to try to save them from power creep?

[dull hollow]

the list of useful dd

kitakaze
suzutsuki

then ayanami for the Crit rollers

[light crystal]

I find they're not too bad, but that's just me. I dont actively try to min max PvE all the time anyway

[winged holly]

when do you get more refreshes?

I'm out of refreshes and all my opponents are currently under me and I was wondering if I had to wait and sandbag

[light crystal]

When the day resets

[winged holly]

oof, guess I gotta just wait

I was looking for a specific player to film myself winning for the twitter contest just to mess with them

but my last refresh gave me someone lower than me

[light crystal]

Just keep in mind u get 5 daily, reset at start of day

[worldly cape]

Something I've noticed is that Italians perform slightly better on defense than offense because of Duca's torps

And it's mostly because defense side torps hit the backline more reliably than offense side

[light crystal]

Torps have little impact, considering the torp debuffs. CV aitstrikes may have a larger role to play, and those also get affected by defense/attacker starting positions.

[abstract cypress]

still waiting for kms meta

[candid sluice]

agir avp new meta

[abstract cypress]

they always give junk on pr

cries in 0 luck

[candid sluice]

if u want kms meta so badly go test out agir slowtorps

[abstract cypress]

i might need 1 yr to make her good enuff

and other faction just have their broke shits on process

[candid sluice]

its not that kms is bad just that kms mains dont bother making sensible fleets and refuse to use non kms ships to stay pureblooded

[abstract cypress]

oh agir need kms vg on 2k xp one
no wonder the bar wont bulge

[candid sluice]

[abstract cypress]

no matter, still need 2 yr for full dev

[candid sluice]

ppl have her dev15 alr

so probs 2 months minimum

[abstract cypress]

my fdg is dev 20

figures

[candid sluice]

time to sink more cubes into research

[abstract cypress]

its just i have no time

play like few hrs a week

just comeback from hiatus for 2 months welp

[candid sluice]

ah rip

[abstract cypress]

if anyone use kms ive got a question whats the best

agir vs heinrich

bisco vs fdg vs avp, with graf & peter

[slender tartan]

Biscuit+FDG+Graf generaly good. Biscuit+FDG+ODIN probably better vs Mafia but need to get my odin to 30 to test that.

as far as VG . mainz-leipzig-agir probably best.

assuming or PR-DR shipgirls are MAX DEV

[abstract cypress]

my +13 are on planes so theres that

i dont use bb

[slender tartan]

also FDG is powercreeped QUITE a lot by NJ so if you wanna alt-f4 her DEV no one is gonna blame ya

[candid sluice]

hein is ca and doesnt offer much agir better

[abstract cypress]

hein have luck

stat wise

[candid sluice]

so

what else does she have over agir

[abstract cypress]

i nvr try agir si theres that

[slender tartan]

aside that she is still really good. but without HPFCR you gonna miss A LOT

[abstract cypress]

but roon melts easily

[slender tartan]

yeah roon=last resort. if like the next thing you got are IB dds. better use roons. she good at PVE but at PVP she just goes boom

[candid sluice]

agir also gets flat 15% eva at start of match so theres that

[abstract cypress]

her def skills are promising yes

[slender tartan]

also try to get the new PR4 IB fighter. and give that to graf. if you havent done so already and give her wyvern. probably gonna work better.

[abstract cypress]

ik

[slender tartan]

aside that full prio agir and get FDG from catch up imo.

also August might be better than graf when she is fully maxed. but its gonna take a while. aside that. yeah strap in. you are in for a RIDE with this mafia shit.

[candid sluice]

My prayers go out to all kms simplords in pvp

[slender tartan]

[abstract cypress]

its only me since cbt

[sour oasis]

That applies mainly for torpedoes in general. Offense side is super crowded.
While it's true there's a lot of vanguard torpedo reduction, they still hit main fleet ships hard.

Re: newbies using Manjuu. It's great on offense. But stop putting them on Seattle. You're making my fights 10s longer. It's annoying. Stop it.

[radiant brook]

Tfw you don't even have d30 Seattle because you use catch up on gascan

[candid sluice]

yea put it on juneau instead

so i can wipe your entire backline before she procs

[ionic hill]

pvp is hard af

[worldly cape]

I just hope we get more tools to make the meta less stagnant

[candid sluice]

manjuu nj new meta again?

[worldly cape]

I think nobody wants to go back to the same days we had during the Namaryuu or Namakai meta

[radiant brook]

Absolutely no one wants to be in the PvP era when it's always "have X or get fucked"

Especially when X takes 2 years to rerun

[prisma scaffold]

[candid sluice]

i dont have aquila im doing fine

[radiant brook]

Because Perseus can be the preload reveal

When you have none it's just pain

[sour oasis]

Only if you face CV. I just saw three straight fights with three BB. And they were annoying.

Mostly +13 equipment, which takes months to farm.

[candid sluice]

why tf would i use perseus

reveal is overrated

id only use percy for burst dmg not reveal

[sour oasis]

How's PR4 equipment working in the meta?

Big flex, small flex, no flex?

[radiant brook]

None of them are really game changing

Not even the rocket plane because no intercept

[trail temple]

Is this a Ryouya bullying session in alo now?

[candid sluice]

intercept still matters?

[flint python]

fighter intercept is weak anyway I see them not even making it to the end of screen most of the time just too squishy even with avgas but if you want extra AA then whatever

[light crystal]

Fuck intercepts

Use Rockets like a man

PENETRATE THOSE CHIBIS

[trail temple]

^

[candid sluice]

rocket plane is the future

[trail temple]

Nuking vg is much harder than main fleet so rockets are a lot more valuable than a hornet or tiger

[somber axle]

Is Ark Royal Retro meta yet? The prophet said it would be.

[candid sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/875239482515947530/0xo42zi156euspg08xb4984g91tdc2h.gif

looks like meta material to me

[worldly cape]

The new skill reduces AA stat and makes them take more dmg from any DD or HMS VG

[meager valley]

good thing HMS vanguards and DDs are the most OP ships in the game

[candid sluice]

what hms vgs or dd is used nowadays

[worldly cape]

And for some reason the alpha dmg of the barrage is as big as Hakuryu's

[trail temple]

Ark royal and drake comps are gonna be meta af

[light crystal]

Like yo mom

[flint python]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oA411A7Qp

Rockets

this fleet tho

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864969051163066409/864972572260171816/11_-_xSNX3vb.gif

[light crystal]

No, but u dont get it

Ur Fighters need to intercept other planes or else its no good

[flint python]

wut

I haven't said any takes yet

[candid sluice]

just dodge the rockets duh

[abstract cypress]

mofos just nuke em

i didnt found a single good NJ fleet

might wait for next reset

[elder crane]

If you extra extra speed tech its possible yep

Need above 40 avg speed and then badge on top, I think

[candid sluice]

yea i dodged with jun suzut yuki vg double boiler beaver

[dull hollow]

tfw the main reason

i use inde over vv

is coz i dont wanna move my rainbow HE gun around

but I have enough wyverns lying around I can just keep one on inde

[light crystal]

I just use Monarch gun +13 on my VV anyway

[dull hollow]

i would be putting that onto my helena raiding

so

again

too much effort

[winged holly]

something I've been wondering, is the rocket plane useful in pvp? not intercepting seems bad but it might kill the vanguard much more quickly

[late heath]

It nukes VG really fast

Pretty much best planes for pvp if you run preload imo

And planes interception is generally weak anyway

[candid sluice]

vg literally evaoprates

intercept doesnt matter when preload exists

[somber river]

what ships are considered meta in pvp?

[winged holly]

I see so it's an instant equip on my aquila

and its' better than tigercat on indepkai then too if I were to run her?

[winged holly]

kind of a loaded question, different attack and defense

most people are running something like:
Vittorio Veneto, New Jersey, Aquila + Juneau, Duca degli Abruzzi, Seattle

New Jersey, Aquila, and Juneau are biggies

almost every meta fleet has those three

[somber river]

well, i have nj and aquila but i dont have any of the others

[winged holly]

juneau is a rare so you can get her easily

[somber river]

i just want to know anything kinda meta so i can start either leveling up or adding into my fleet

[winged holly]

unfortunately she's garbage outside of pvp so leveling her to 120 is a pain, you'll have to just dorm her if you don't feel like it

if you have NJ and Aquila, and Juneau (she's easy to get, a blue ship in basegame) then you got the most important components

since attackers benefit from 20% damage reduction you have some leeway

Independence is another good one, and she's perma

[somber river]

shes in the core shop right

[winged holly]

indeed, although if you're new I'd still focus on pve

[somber river]

well im not exactly new, but im not amazing

[candid sluice]

indep is great for pve too tho

[somber river]

i have essex and enterprise

[candid sluice]

all those ships u just listed are great for pve except maybe juneau

[somber river]

if that helps

i have warspite kai too

[candid sluice]

but juneau can still aa so easily level up in 12-4

what ships do u have

maybe we can assemble a fleet with the ones u currently have

[somber river]

yeah i was hoping for that

i dont think i have that many meta ships but i wanna try to get something good

[candid sluice]

sure show me what u got

[somber river]

i can send pictures right?

[candid sluice]

sure sure

if there are a lotta pics u might want to throw em in an imgur album

[somber river]

i have nothing else remarkable except maybe ryuuhou and akaga

[candid sluice]

easier to sort thru

[somber river]

oh right

but i think it'll just be 2 pictures

[candid sluice]

is that your entire dock?

not a bad roster so far tbh

[somber river]

the rest are just level ones

i never used

oh but i have a few good vanguards

[candid sluice]

you have aquila and nj youre pretty much set

something like nj warkai aquila is a strong backline

tho the vg needs a bit of work

rn it would be sandy helena suzut or smthing along those lines

[somber river]

Alright that’ll work for now, but are there any ships i should level up for the future?

pretty sure i have juneau somewhere but i just forgot

I heard noshiro is really good in pvp

[candid sluice]

she used to be one of the top pics yea but kinda fell off

still really strong tho

[somber river]

What’d be an optimal vanguard?

[candid sluice]

standard nowadays is juneau luigi seattle

but i dont see any of em in your dock so

anchorage is upcoming too

[somber river]

i see

[candid sluice]

not widespread use yet because not everyone has her high enough dev lvl

[somber river]

well i cant even start them yet

so yeah

I heard the ship placement matters, so for the fleet we made, where would each ship go

From like left to right

[candid sluice]

same order i put em in yea

left to right front to back

[somber river]

alright thanks a ton

[candid sluice]

oh yea equipment matters too

what do u have equip wise

[somber river]

pretty broke

I checked the github link and equipped them based off that but its not the best of gear

[candid sluice]

what github link?

[somber river]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[candid sluice]

oh that is for pve

[somber river]

oh

[candid sluice]

pve and pvp equipment are really different

[somber river]

gear changes in pvp?

oh dear

[candid sluice]

yep vastly different

like for example stacking your vanguards speed and your backlines hit stat

[somber river]

oh

well let me send the pictures

[candid sluice]

sure

[somber river]

ngl, i have no clue how imgur works

oh and, by equipment, you mean aux or everything like main guns ?

[candid sluice]

everything

planes guns aux etc

[somber river]

alright just give me a bit

[candid sluice]

yepyep

[somber river]

i'll just send it one by one otherwise it'll flood the chat

sorry if its scuffed

here the main guns

i should probably use this as an opportunity to recycle aswell

[candid sluice]

do u know how to make imgur albums

[somber river]

dont have the slightest clue

[candid sluice]

just go to imgur website make new post and throw all the pics into there

that way its easier to go thru it

[somber river]

alright seems easy enough

[candid sluice]

yea lmk when u got it working

[somber river]

alright, i uploaded all the images, what do I do next?

just copy the url?

[candid sluice]

yep and send

i think u gotta publih the album first

[somber river]

sorry i took a while, had to do something

hopefully it works https://imgur.com/a/dlOc4Hr

oh

well click on the link

should work

[candid sluice]

Nice it worked

Hmm your gear selection is kinda rough

[somber river]

yeah

can you help me out with recycling? i have a feeling hoarding all of this is pointless

[candid sluice]

Are you running out of depot space?

[somber river]

well, yeah but not really, i have a ton of blue and grey gear to recycle but i was lazy, but im pretty sure half of these purple guns are useless too, so i just want to get rid of them

[candid sluice]

Well seeing what u have right now I’d be careful disassembling purples

Here’s a nice chart for low tier equipment that you can upgrade later on could be useful for u later

Anything blue can be disassembled except fire ext steering wheel and camo

Greys are automatic scrap

Also just wondering do you have any core data?

[somber river]

yeah i do have a bunch, ive been saving them for a while but forgot why so i just have them laying now

i have 2328

[candid sluice]

Buy yourself some white shells

They are great on battleships

[candid sluice]

They’re 800 core a pop you can afford some

[somber river]

alright doing that

thanks a ton and im so sorry for taking up so much of your time

[candid sluice]

It’s fine I got nothing else to do lol

Hold on I’m working on your equips

[somber river]

ah right

[quartz drum]

@candid sluice why not use preload?

[somber river]

oh, and I also have a few craftable things

[candid sluice]

https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=DPwu3k

Try that link

[candid sluice]

I don’t have Aquila

[somber river]

ooh, i see the loadouts

thanks

[candid sluice]

Oh you have nepguns craftable

[somber river]

also

[candid sluice]

Oh that’s nice actually

You have the link open right

[somber river]

yeah i do

[candid sluice]

Replace warspites main gun with the top right gun here

[candid sluice]

And replace her secondary gun with the second top right gun

[somber river]

this one for main right?

[candid sluice]

Yep

[somber river]

and this one for secondary

[candid sluice]

Yeah that one

[quartz drum]

juneau is better than sandy?

[candid sluice]

He doesn’t have a juneau

[quartz drum]

:v

[candid sluice]

Unless I missed it

[quartz drum]

[somber river]

i dont think i do

and if i do her level is probably low

[candid sluice]

Also you’re gonna want to put steam catapults on Aquila when you get your hands on em

[somber river]

instead of the two auxes?

i think i have 2 on essex i can put on her

[candid sluice]

Replace one of the auxes yea

[somber river]

do I leave my gold quad bofors on nj or put a roomba?

[candid sluice]

Put a roomba on her and give the bofors to suzut

[somber river]

I have 2 pairs of bofors

[candid sluice]

But ideally u want a +hit gun on your battleships

It’s fine nj has pretty strong aa so a roomba will work

[quartz drum]

https://azurfleetmaker.com/?fleet=JgoSXh my fleet and gear

[candid sluice]

Yep that’s pretty standard setup

U don’t have +hit aa guns?

[somber river]

not sure what that is im not gonna lie

[candid sluice]

Anti air guns that give +hit stat

Which are the staag and hazemeyer

[somber river]

ahh

[slender tartan]

@somber river he speaks about these (FDG, BISKO = STAGG, NAGATO= HAZEMEYER). they give +HIT chance. which is good for BBS.

[somber river]

i see

thank you

[quartz drum]

main udah lama tpi kok masih banyakan aku ya gear nya?

[candid sluice]

Brp tua akun lu

[quartz drum]

264 hari

[candid sluice]

But yea battleships always want those +hit guns

[slender tartan]

also hazemeyer=poor mans staag. so if you have one slap it. but when you get a staag. switch it. thats for BBS. for VG. Twin113 all round good, better to go with the ones my roon have for min-max since they give FP. unless we speak about sandy retro or a heavy AA ship girld. then go sextuple bofors (which i dont have any )

[candid sluice]

Staag prints are kinda a struggle to get hazemeyer is a lot more common

I only have two staags but about 10 hazes

[slender tartan]

similar shit here. thank god they added both of them to PR4 alongside HPFCR and HPHSG

if only PR4 also had sextuple bofors XD. but hey cant have everything

[candid sluice]

Yeah hpfcr and staag being in pr4 is a blessing

No more having to go to pr1 just to fish for staags

[somber river]

alright i have everything equipped, should be right https://imgur.com/a/UfAJb0b

[slender tartan]

playing FDG. with 0 fucking luck and no HPFCR is a nightmare. its like she hits the water on purpose to see the splashing instead of actually fighting

[candid sluice]

Yeah that’s pretty much exactly as the link

[somber river]

dont worry about the levels i'll get to that eventually

[candid sluice]

Now need to pump up those enhancement levels

[somber river]

yes that is going to set me back a ton

[candid sluice]

For u I wouldn’t invest heavily in pvp btw

You should focus more progressing thru the main game and doing operation siren

That way you can get proper equipment and enhance those instead

[somber river]

yeah i know

[candid sluice]

What pr season are you focusing btw

[slender tartan]

he is right. its gonna take you months to get the proper gear. DONT bust your head over it.

[somber river]

not sure i think pr1 since i was grinding monarch a while back

[candid sluice]

Did you finish monarch?

[somber river]

yeah

[candid sluice]

As soon as u finish her you should focus a different season

[somber river]

all i've been doing lately is just log on, do dailies pvp and close

[candid sluice]

Either pr3 or pr4

Those seasons have great equipment

[somber river]

alright i'll do that

[slender tartan]

i would say PR4. he could also try to build anchorage or agir while at it.

[somber river]

i dont think i have enough tech points

for anyone in pr4

[winged holly]

if people are running rocket planes, seattle, and azuma, would it actually make sense to run VH azuma

[candid sluice]

Yea he can’t start em most likely

[winged holly]

I'm thinking it might be worth it

since it was previously a bad idea cause lol torps

[slender tartan]

yeah forgot about the tech points requirement. mb

[winged holly]

but now it's mostly just duca

[quartz drum]

yesterday I forgot that I didn't fight, and ended up just accumulating merit

[candid sluice]

But VH increases dmg from other planes

[winged holly]

it might be worth it as a tradeoff if the rocket plane is so scary vs vanguards tho

[candid sluice]

Aquila has dive and torp bombers too

Running azuma in the first place is alr risky

[winged holly]

she does, yes. I'm wondering if it's worth it, not sure

[somber river]

alright im done with everything, thanks a lot again

[winged holly]

how so?

[candid sluice]

Med armor and no nugget to boost her

[winged holly]

so?

[candid sluice]

Gets melted by planes already

[winged holly]

people are often running just aquila

[candid sluice]

110% against most planes is already rough

[winged holly]

stronger vs VV tho

since VV often runs a mk7

[candid sluice]

Not to mention she’s slow too

[winged holly]

eh, you run shoe on her and she's not that slow

[candid sluice]

Anything that’s not double dd speed stacked will eat a lot of shots

[winged holly]

like all of what you're describing was still true when people ran nagato/shinano/hiryuu on defense but people still preferred her over seattle

and planes were even more dangerous then

as a fraction of incoming damage on vanguard

[candid sluice]

Now nj is a thing and Seattle gets boosted

Her barrage punishes anything slow

[winged holly]

it's only 5% DR

[candid sluice]

And aa boost

Which is massive

[slender tartan]

so im thinking about agir aux's. she gonna get a HPHSG for sure. then im thinking either VC armor plating since she heavy already. or boots?

[winged holly]

it's only massive if people actually run carriers

and people are now not running nagato-boosted shinano
it's often just aquila

a lot of your weaknesses you're pointing out with azuma were present when people ran shinano and hiryuu, so I'm still a bit skeptical that she's really risky when the number of carriers you're likely to see is much lower

[candid sluice]

I mean with njs aa boost vgs can shoot down entire airstrikes before it reveals backline there’s that

[winged holly]

juneau is doing almost all of the work there

I'm not saying azuma is a good call but I do feel that a lot of the weaknesses you've pointed out predate the NJ meta and some of them used to be even more problematic during shinano/hiryuu stuff

the 10% FP buff from nagato is not enough to make or break that

[slender tartan]

Am i really the only person here. who straight up .stat checks NJ-Aquila fleets with DR IB fleets until my rng kills them XD?

[winged holly]

you can't have "DR IB fleets"

that's just fdg

unless your agir is dev30, which she isn't

or rather, dev25 is where she gets the rest of her HP

[slender tartan]

washington on bisko is doing ok. but im thinking giving it to graf. but i have no HPFCR. so yeah. its like she shoots with a blindfold. granted most of the time she aint gonna shoot anyway cuz NJ sends her to the next dimension. but anyway.