pvp

[meager valley]

[dull hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDOEAbi1jQ&t=604s

this counts as pvp right

[candid sluice]

YES

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

why is formi a dinosaur lmfao

[dull hollow]

Lombering

[light crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540426432635994134/862112466858541066/ezgif-1-c726a2e4ac90.gif

[dull hollow]

howe

[stable dawn]

for the reload bonus I guess

[light crystal]

Apparently they fixed F4U so that it now applies 5% AA boost, used to apply 0.0005% or something instead before

[crude mortar]

[covert swallow]

And so it begins.

[dull hollow]

that doesnt look that differnt to me tbh

[light crystal]

🤔

[covert swallow]

Well she's level 60 dev10

[meager valley]

I'm like 99% Smokescreens don't do anything

After using Suzu and Black prince a ton I've never noticed a difference in damage I take from preloads

Maybe the aoe is too small or something

[dull hollow]

so this is my tinfoil hat but

1. this game is based in unity
2. i dont expect the devs to know how to optimize/fix weird game frame behavior
3. depending on device/emulator the game lags like a super shitter at the start of every pvp because so many skills go off at once

4. when you get frame rate drops, you lose damage

because the framerates are so bad during preloads

it's entirely possible both sides's strikes just go up in smoke

or get heavily nerfed

[dull hollow]

this is rly obvious when u framedrop with persues and or aquila when clearing trash in opsi

coz the torps continue to travel --->

but they "time skipped" because during the frame drop the game doesnt update their position, but knows they should be traveling, so when it recovers from the framedrop it teleports the torps fwd

the damage diff in when i get low/no drop vs big frame drop

actually super huge and u can visually see it

the torps will be infront of enemy, game freeze, torps disappear

enemy still healthy

[meager valley]

Im sure #2 is right

so what you can do is go in 12-4

you have to get the app in a state where its frozen (on my phone i used to be able to do this by going into splitscreen mode and clicking off of the app but that doesn't work anymore. No idea why)

wait

when you come back you get nuked by a ton of planes iirc

[dull hollow]

baozi devs

honkai impact lags my 3080ti/5600x into 40 fps drops sometimes

on a virtualy empty fight

[crude mortar]

expecting ||chinese|| developer to fixing their game

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540426432635994134/862112466858541066/ezgif-1-c726a2e4ac90.gif

[candid sluice]

only time i see framedrops affecting my game is in challenge mode losing me a few points

[dull hollow]

where my wyvern

[dull hollow]

i mean tbh

when u compare AL or even miboyo

to shit fuckers like Cygames

we actually do a much better job

fkin sushi devs

their entire culture is so bad

reminder: jp companies still use fax machines

[worldly cape]

Wait, so you say that Anchorage smoke relies entirely on how shitty is your phone/emulator?

[light crystal]

🤔

My game runs smoothly on my phone, but usually pretty bad on emu

[flint python]

Sometimes the game lags so much Aquila preload doesn't drop anything only deals crash damage

[light crystal]

U playin on a toaster?

[candid sluice]

More like overheated microwave

[waxen dawn]

expecting a difference from an anchorage that is dev 10 with at most lvl 6 smokescreen

[crude mortar]

max anchorage first skill for pvp

[timid current]

im gonna try mp first bc waifu

[coarse hearth]

Hey guys,this is my current highest level ship,
With current ship level available, who would be best for Amagi Server pvp ?
Im give up leveling ship in pvp, keep losing to op pvp fleet
I just wanna keep my winrate clean only, no need AOTN
https://imgur.com/a/pR0yek3

[light crystal]

NJ, Richy, Perseus, Duca, Suzutsuki and Jintsuu

U really wanna level up Juneau tho lol

[covert swallow]

He has juneau 120

There's more ships if you go to the link

He has aquila at 110 too. So I'd say maybe NJ/riche/aquila

Juneau suzu duca?

[coarse hearth]

Wow, Thanks guys ,
Idk that suzu and duca really good in pvp right now
Does suzu better than yukikaze btw?
My yukikaze stuck lvl90 bcoz i focus purin on getting border
waiting for medal shop/dailybuild drop

[light crystal]

Suzu is good, yes

[coarse hearth]

if i have 2 wyvern, should i switch aquila with shinano btw?

[candid sluice]

not really

nano doesnt want double wyverns anyways

unless you are an epic gamer

[coarse hearth]

Nah, i always fight right side opponent
i just wanna click and forget on pvp
since richy and aquila exist, i fk up real bad
Even intentionally skip pvp to drop my ranking
I still ended up with those cancerous fleet
Now im building my own cancer

[candid sluice]

yeah if youre just casual pvp and especially in amagi server u can run that fleet and steamroll majority of fleets

but a lot more italians and nj fleets have been popping up on high ladder might watch out for those

[crude mortar]

is new imas ship good in pvp?

seems like a good ship in pvp

you cant aoth these ship but instead you use tiara of friendship

these ship definitely beating kenny

[candid sluice]

lmfao

the submarine is gonna be good in pvp i think

[crude mortar]

you need tiara of friendship for boost these ship stats

and friendship is known to be able to defeat kenny

does that mean these ship can beat kenny easily?

[candid sluice]

only when "oathed"

pay2win game

[trail temple]

All you need is the power of friendship

[flint python]

[ebon kraken]

[drowsy arrow]

Dumb question... but what's the best way to "farm" for Wyvern? I have like 50 boats @ 120 and I feel like I should know this by now, but I'm dumb when it comes to Gear Labs stuff

Been doing Operation Sirens every day to get 2 victories over meta ship for the longest time, but I think I only have like 8 UR blueprints. I don't even remember how I got them

[covert swallow]

the shops have a total of 3 UR universal BPs every opsi reset

so make sure you're buying out the opsi shops so that they appear

[drowsy arrow]

shops = one of the 3 ports?

[covert swallow]

4 ports

[drowsy arrow]

So save enough of the currency and try to get 3 every reset/month... got it

Thank you

I'm still so overwhelmed with OpSi and Gear Labs stuff. Don't want to upgrade the wrong gear, or use resources to make subpar items

[candid sluice]

you could also go cat node fishing but thats rngfest

that and your regular abyssal clears are really the only way to farm for wyvern

and yea the three universal prints in port shops per reset

[drowsy arrow]

Would Wyvern be one of the top gear to use UR prints on, pvp or not?

[covert swallow]

yes, only 2 options right now are wyvern and the UR mag torps

until they decide to add something new to gear lab

[drowsy arrow]

Ty ty!

Speaking of the devil, one just showed up in shop so i'm 8/9 now

[candid sluice]

[drowsy arrow]

[sour oasis]

How much does that cost in gem currency?

[trail temple]

Generally we don't buy friendship

[dull hollow]

or u can get scammed

[sour oasis]

What about degenerally?

[dull hollow]

how u even reach 16.4

with these 3 shitters

[upper cove]

Kms ships are notorious for having high fleet power for seemingly no reason

[slender tartan]

i hit 15k+ with my IB and fdg and odin arent even max dev lvl nor +13 gear. however that doesnt mean much. even tho fgd by herself makes quick work most fleets any good geared fleet with ok ships can be a pain. sakura fleets are a nightmare and i need to specialize my gear against them to even stand a chance. now aquila fleets are an ALT-F4. unless heavily under-geared. at this point i have IB on hold while leveling up my own aquila-NJ. and a shinano fleet on top of that. maybe agir can help, MAYBE. yet again anchorage also exists so.... yeah. shit lookin grim

[hot creek]

they're called the KMS fleet for a reason

[dull hollow]

you can get pretty far with a persues Rich/fdg warspite comp

needs helena but

it'll take wins off aquila comps

[coarse hearth]

Guys, pvp wise
Should i gave aquila fighter heal or DB preload ?

[timid current]

preload is what makes her very strong in pvp, so use DB

[coarse hearth]

Thanks
Btw, i heard duca pretty well in pvp recently Does it bcoz of her slow torp ?

[timid current]

slow torp acts like a mine field, light armor, heal, torp defense skill, and benefits from VV

shes got a lot going for her in pvp

[coarse hearth]

I see
I already use richy, nj, aquila, junea,suzu,duca
Should i switch any backliner with vv later?

[timid current]

it will bring you closer to the more standard current meta but if anything shes the flexible ship

so if you like VV and are going to level her to 120, then yes use in pvp

but if you dont want her then its fine

[coarse hearth]

Thanks for the explaination
Since i not grinding marcopolo yet
I will bench vv and lvl up her later on

[timid current]

you may still have problems with super high power meta fleets without her but like richy is still very good

gl

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

junny skin waiting room

[trail temple]

Degenerally, we just ask

[light crystal]

Maybe one day Kaede, her illustrator, will remember she exists and bless us peons with a good Juneau skin

[stable dawn]

didn't they get canceled in CN tho

[dull hollow]

warspite + nj

is actually

a funny combo

coz at 10s

if they both aim at the same ship

she just disappears

fbm

[lime folio]

Did someone come up with a future pvp kms fleet or is it still IJN hype

im simping Agir rn cause I love big hoes

[spark nest]

IJN? For how long have you been sleeping?

NJ + mafia it is now

[candid sluice]

if u could work out a fleet that times around augus freeze maybe

but u still have atrocious kms aa against preload

[lime folio]

I mean yea but I thought there was a Hakuyu hype

im talking about pr4 meta

not rn

[candid sluice]

ijn doesnt have preload

yet*

[spark nest]

^

If Haku had a preload it would be different

[leaden sky]

Well we dont know how it'd be in future pvp

Some of us didnt expect NJ to be used in pvp initially

Yet here we are having her in meta teams

[grizzled hemlock]

her barrage is a cheat

too good to ignore

[candid sluice]

its more than just her barrage that made her meta

[crude mortar]

how can you not expecting nj to be meta since day1

i see 600 anti air and 10k hp with 9999barrage dmg i expect nothing else

[light crystal]

GZ/Agir/FDG core instead of Italian, then add Juneau + NJ + Seattle/Ancho.

[lime folio]

[leaden sky]

Not everyone's a pro player like u erika

[light crystal]

I also expected NJ to be top tier on day one, but I got shot down

[leaden sky]

Ya i saw ur comments aoste

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/862565154721366046/unknown.png

[covert swallow]

people in here shot down aquila/vv being good (besides aquila being a "slightly better perseus")
and then they shot down NJ being good at first too

[light crystal]

[crude mortar]

wait til agir is a thing

goodluck playing with 40% torp slow with 818 and vv without anchorage

[dull hollow]

i have a collage

of al lthe NJ doubters

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/863136326185648158/myfluffyrage.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/862566493987012608/unknown.png

caught in 8k

[stable dawn]

light theme

[slender tartan]

https://tenor.com/sGXy.gif

also my 2 things. first of all my FDG targets vanguard a lot for whatever reason (yes when the enemy has battleships, she also has rainbow gun) is this affected by her ammo type or something or just RNG???? second. when she does fire it hurts. when it doesnt miss. and it misses. A LOT. will high performance fire control radar help? (have none, she also has a stag, and +13 shells. weapons also +13)

[light crystal]

U should always use HPFCR on FDG, cuz she has something like 60 ACC, and 0 Luck, yes.

[meager valley]

Zfalg

Rainbow gear good

[dull hollow]

not owning 2

imagine

[elder crane]

You should use +hit (HPFCR, SG, WNT) on all BB over shells but yeah FdG in particular suffers
100 hit = barely over 50% accuracy vs cruisers on most BB, but 0 luck on FdG means is under 50%

Even vs main fleet she's like 60% accuracy with double shell

[light crystal]

Use Gyro

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[elder crane]

Main fleet ships should move in circles like HelMet cmv

[light crystal]

tbh, u can legitimately use Gyro for practical reason, as it's purple, it costs less Purple plates, so like, if u want ur 35 Hit, but dont have the plates to +10 a gold Aux, u gotta do wut u gotta do

[elder crane]

Huh it actually is better than purple shell or FCR and overall on par with SG (considering hit and eva)

Although you can just use a +8 gold equipment anyways for even less plates

[candid sluice]

or just grind the plates

[timid current]

imagine grinding plates

[flint python]

[light crystal]

[brazen socket]

This is mafia right? All I gotta do is just grab the levels and im done with it? And yes I have seattle as my catch up ship

[trail temple]

I hope you're not planning to go in with your vg in that order

[light crystal]

Id be more worried about the levels than simply order at this point

[leaden sky]

[candid sluice]

ye swap to that vg order and pump up the levels its good

[trail temple]

He said he's levelling them, you've kinda made a redundant point as he's intending to rectify that issue

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

[untold island]

btw pvp meta fleet and gear?

[sand cape]

meta fleet is this @untold island
idk about gear tho

[untold island]

so IJN dead well never had any of them

neven been interested in pvp but I am low on merits smh

[candid sluice]

Ijn too slow

Equips highly dependent on your fleet

[limpid pecan]

Is there any mechanic to decide who the BBs attack? Or is it random

[crude mortar]

prioritize flag

use cv with stealth flagship to make it pure random

https://tenor.com/view/roll-safe-clever-think-ahead-reece-simpson-gif-14469436

spagetti code at its finest

[midnight heron]

whos the better flagship tho? nj or vv? and why?

[candid sluice]

im vitt club because cl secondary and most expendable

[limpid pecan]

also i wanted to ask about the CV stealth mechanic. what all can cause the CV to get discovered?

[candid sluice]

planes burn ships going over detection line

[elder crane]

VV cause most expendable and much less squish than Aquila
NJ you'll even want to slap manjuu on to extend just that bit longer
She's the main hitter after all

[midnight heron]

ic ok

[light crystal]

Im a proponent that Manjuu is good on NJ for Defense RNG only, but doesn't really matter for Attack as much

I get just as much mileage from Manjuu Seattle on Attack tbh

[sullen sierra]

how do you all feel about wyvern vs swordfish on aqulia to ensure VV and NJ barrage hits vanguard? is it worth doing?

[abstract horizon]

what's the counter for akaga and nagato

[covert swallow]

swordfish seems to miss quite often on atk in my experience, but worked pretty decently against me on def

[candid sluice]

wnt pretty much butchers their damage

[abstract horizon]

what's wnt

[candid sluice]

washington naval treaty

[abstract horizon]

ah i see

[candid sluice]

if u dont have it belfast works as well

[sullen sierra]

hum...is that a result of the vanguards being at 2 different positions on offence and defence? curious what other peoples experience is with swordfish as well

[flint python]

Swordfish can work on offense but instead of core shop avgas you use Purple oil tank

[candid sluice]

or old meta wasd to counter akaga

[burnt reef]

hello guys what’s a good pvp fleet, I’m struggling out here

[abstract horizon]

is 2300+ AA enough

[candid sluice]

whats the vanguard

[sullen sierra]

what does the oil tank do that would benifit over using avgas?

[candid sluice]

avgas makes planes too fast sometimes

[sullen sierra]

ah

[abstract horizon]

wait i forgot the name of the sacrificial pawn

[candid sluice]

like sometimes they just decide to drop behind the vanguard lol

[sullen sierra]

do you think its worth doing? or is wyvern also better in your experience?

[flint python]

It works better on offense if you wanna run swordfish

[candid sluice]

juneau?

[abstract horizon]

yeah her

juneau yuki and sandy

[candid sluice]

i prefer wyvern for consistency and more crash dmg

[sullen sierra]

also, sorry for the double convo here

ty

[flint python]

I've done countless test swordfish vs wyvern I still can't decide which better

[candid sluice]

that should be enough if the akaga isnt stacked

but slap wnt u should be fine regardless

[flint python]

But since I have wyvern pass +10 I just use it

[abstract horizon]

alr then thanks

[candid sluice]

aquila also takes major chunk out of their dmg too

if they launch without reveal

which is what they used to be good for

[sullen sierra]

alrighty, yeah, ill guess ill stick with wyvern then, thanks for the input

[elder crane]

my experience with Manjuu Seattle on attack:
seattle reaches enemy main with Manjuu still not proc'd
NJ proc manjuu immediately and 8s later she dies, having accomplished nothing of note

or like
they win vanguard trade by a bit
wow big deal, NJ has to spend 3 s firing secondaries to finish them off

[light crystal]

You say that, but your VG outliving theirs means more protection from AA circle against possible planes at that point, or the enemy BB's having to shoot with their main guns your VG and giving respite to your own backline

I've seen several times where my proc'd Seattle finishes off a 5%~ HP enemy NJ as well

There's going to be pros/cons between having Manjuu on NJ or VG instead, but I think having it on VG is actively helping you to win, and having it on NJ/backline is more of an insurance than anything, and not actively helping in the course of the battle.

Ultimately, if u think u get more mileage on Backline, go right ahead do that, cuz I myself think I get more mileage on frontline instead, so feel no need to change anything

[crude mortar]

why anyone still using manju on vg in 2021

[leaden sky]

Cuz it's 2021, anything works

[light crystal]

why is anyone using manjuu on ml in late 2021

Rnt u the one not even using mafia to begin with, thought u were using one of those full usn variants kek

[crude mortar]

doesn't really matter which fleet

vg manju cant win at all againts proper team

i see their vg use manju i just alt tab

[light crystal]

sounds very cute of u

wish u luck with that then

[crude mortar]

its not like you can lose on wash anyway

vg trade this patch doesn't matter that much

the guy who use manju vg always losing to nj manju anyway

[light crystal]

anyway, anyway

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/barbara-genshin-impact-genshin-barbara-genshin-jean-gif-21880234

[dull hollow]

https://i.redd.it/8u42744g53c71.png

[candid sluice]

prepare for rush hour boys

[somber axle]

Sir, do you have any exercises left?

[light crystal]

Ok food.

[timid current]

[candid sluice]

One hell of a meal eh

[light crystal]

But the doctor is decreeing you shall be food now.

[candid sluice]

Not even envy can eat me

[worldly cape]

So I guess tomorrow we'll see the first level 10 Anchorage smokes?

[trail temple]

Please sir

[coarse hearth]

Hey guys, yukikaze vs suzutsuki
Which better for pvp ?

[calm mica]

At this point, suzutsuki to smokescreen against preloads

[coarse hearth]

Demn, thanks remind me of those preload

[calm mica]

No problem. Having vanguard not entirely dead 5 seconds in helps a lot

[elder crane]

tbh ykkz if you have maxed standard team
2 BB vs 2 BB it doesn't really matter if vanguard loses trade as long as not too badly if it means you get main fleet damage advantage

[sour oasis]

It's still pretty close. Yukikaze can sometimes get super lucky with her 1 damage skill, and your vanguard might get lucky speeding past preloads for her heal to kick in.
Suzutsuki has the smoke for more luck at the start, better guns, but after the smoke might not survive as long later.

[covert swallow]

what aux would you run on ykk in current meta, still boiler/FE?

[sour oasis]

I'm an outlier, but I always like double boiler. (Maybe replace one with Beaver Badge or gold boiler)

[covert swallow]

what about if you're pairing with a smokescreen ship? I'm just afraid too much speed will run out of smokescreens too often

[sour oasis]

This is also why I am biased for Yukikaze over Suzutsuki; I'm always looking for speed and smoke doesn't always work with that (I might speed back into the smoke though)

Also what's FE?

[covert swallow]

fire extinguisher

also I was planning on running ykk with anchorage (or at least trying it)

[sour oasis]

I haven't used a fire extinguisher in awhile. I keep focusing on dodging. Someone more focused on Anchorage would better answer that.

[candid sluice]

if youre gonna rely on smoke for evasion then u dont wanna be too fast yea

[light crystal]

if youre gonna rely on smoke for evasion then u dont wanna be too fast nya

[flint python]

What's Aquila's average hit rate vs vg with and without WNT equipped? (Both with VV buff)

I can't decide between WNT and 🥓

[candid sluice]

what does wnt have anything to do with hitrate

[light crystal]

@elder crane we need ur expertise

[timid current]

probably the hit stat

[sour oasis]

FuMO for CV? There's got to be better ways to increase CV accuracy.

[candid sluice]

well youre gonna be using hit equipment regardless

[light crystal]

This is where u flex having done the Kizuna Ai/Holoshit events

[trail temple]

[sour oasis]

I'm still waiting for a re-rerun of Polaris so I can collect everything.

[elder crane]

Ends up breaking even vs vanguard unless they run DD/smoke, which then is an advantage
Ofc crash dmg is nonevadable
So yep
Also +20 eva is quite helpful in current meta

[radiant brook]

Does noshiro have a place in the meta that has the mafia running rampant and gunning down anyone that looks at them funny?

[sour oasis]

Always. There's only one mafia vanguard, Luigi. They need thug buddies to wall or mongos to bully.

[light crystal]

Time to get our P2W 109G's this Thursday! \o/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/867287794110824458/E6vAkKrUcAAE73O.png

[candid sluice]

Why does that pack exist

[light crystal]

[grizzled hemlock]

AL now P2W

[stable dawn]

[radiant brook]

Price?

[crude jetty]

your soul!

[alpine finch]

it translated to like $30.50 usd from 198rmb

[abstract horizon]

anyone ever tried a perma slow fleet?

like all swordfish 808 and monarch barrage spam

[flint python]

[candid sluice]

peter is rng room misses majority of time and monarch shoots at backline

only slow youre gonna consistently get is formi

which doesnt do a whole lot there

[abstract horizon]

ibsee it's a free farm

[candid sluice]

yeah the slows dont really accomplish much

[sour oasis]

Unless timed with a nice NJ volley.

[sour oasis]

You forgot ships like Ark who deal slow, or... Does Richelieu cause slow with her fire debuff? Either way, the speed reduction doesn't stack, it's how long the reduction lasts that stacks.

[dull hollow]

new

pvp focused cv

got leaked

in CN

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809010852186292235.png?v=1||

[covert swallow]

[candid sluice]

holy shit is that new meta

[radiant brook]

[trail temple]

That's pretty pog

Welcome back cv meta

[light crystal]

[uncut parcel]

my setup got completely destroyed by preload ships with slow jesus christ
i had to somehow mirror their setup but with torp memes at the frontline to even have a chance of beating them

[sour oasis]

Except no one in CN will hear her.

[trail temple]

bye bye vanguard

hello losses

[dull hollow]

i spent 600 cubes on this collab
they better be pvp meta

[candid sluice]

they are not

[dull hollow]

alright

rip 8k gems

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792103683365797898/867780754394054656/Screenshot_20210722-105041.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792103683365797898/867780754812960778/Screenshot_20210722-105047.jpg when devs add pity for ssr

well

im gonna try

[candid sluice]

did u rly spend that much for these ships

bruh

[dull hollow]

to run them in pvp anyway

i mean

i have 800 cubes left

and idc about the gems

just stupid out of principle

[candid sluice]

they have very little pvp potential

[dull hollow]

to not have ssr

pity

doesnt one of the ships

slow enemy to 0

wait no

she slowed herself

ok so time the slow with anchorage smoke

ez

never leave the smoke

[candid sluice]

she slows herself when solo vg lmao

[dull hollow]

o

[candid sluice]

cant even tech with smoke lmfao

[covert swallow]

imagine whaling on event before reading skills

[dull hollow]

i mean

even if this was as useless

as nep event

i wouldve full emptied anyway

if my resources allowed for it

and they did

[candid sluice]

i respect the enthusiasm

[dull hollow]

now to slow climb back to 1100+ cubes

[candid sluice]

pass me some of your whale

[dull hollow]

i only bought the new 30$ pack

it's more like i never marry

or buy skins

so by simply buying the 2-4 30$ packs we get

per year

i end up having a big surplus

of gems and mats

[candid sluice]

yea i need to buy some skill too

[dull hollow]

oh right time to craft my rockets

coz i bought the pack

[candid sluice]

thank fuck i retired this season

dont wanna deal with rocket plane aquila

[dull hollow]

this one is rockets right

dont wanna meme myself

[covert swallow]

yes

[empty owl]

I’ve been debating if I should keep warcorgi with the rainbow gun or give it to monarch

Or should I give them something else

[candid sluice]

wardog wants ap gun

[elder crane]

If you run her PvP, take AP yeah
457 best but mle is okay

[light crystal]

The new rockets are excellent from what I've seen so far

[dull hollow]

Mle higher alpha and ease to +13 is what i prefer on warspite tbh

She always ohko w.e she aims at

Cant say the same for 457

Also accuracy rng favor mle

2/3 landing eay better than 1/2 of 457 landing

[empty owl]

What gun is mle?

[empty owl]

Ah thank you

[dull hollow]

i dont rly think

rockets aquila

is anything to write home about

tbh

[light crystal]

So far they have met expectations for me, which were high.I wanna keep doing more testing though

[elder crane]

On Aquila is pretty so far as expected since even if it's better, it's just a 2 plane lower eff slot to begin with

If it's really noticably good on Aquila then it's time to look at Percy or Indep again

[light crystal]

It is good, because now they hit stuff and do quite alot of dmg

For Percy I found u really want hit tho, even if they do hit, they dont do that much damage half the time, which I attribute to no ACC buffs I had on her

For Indy, main issue is no USN Eff boost, but I guess it's better hitting and doing dmg than RNG hit rate with bombs

[waxen lion]

why sweat over a 15% efficiency buff when you are more or less guaranteed to hit with them

I don't understand that

[light crystal]

But muh dmg. Wut Im saying is, the USN were more known for rockets, no? I wish they also had their own version of a rocket fighter. Could have higher base AA, maybe a littl less dmg on the rockets and slightly higher reload, to balance them, but still worth to take, cuz AA and USN buffs for certain ships, like Indy

[waxen lion]

2023™️

maybe

Who knows at this point what's going on in those heads of devs'

[candid sluice]

we gonna get ballistic missiles at that point

[spring kestrel]

who can be the last 3 members to go with italian trio?

[candid sluice]

nj juneau seattle

or anyone really

[sour oasis]

Italian trio is a nice core. Aquila can de-stealth (depending on your equipment vs theirs), Veneto has almost a pre-loaded barrage, and with Luigi/Duca, has good protection against torpedoes (while having good torpedoes herself).
UR backliners are nice: more barrage fire (NJ), sniping (WS), or planes (Shinano)
In front, most previous metas benefit from your strengthened backline. Even old meta like Belfast get more functionality.

[worldly cape]

Has anyone calculated already if Anchorage will be tankier than Seattle in the average comp she goes?

[ebon kraken]

[light crystal]

Too early to say

[elder crane]

herself yes but note that her AA is shit and she has CA speed
so yeah, too early to say overall, esp since she's especially anti-preload

trying rockets out on Percy rn and it seems solid
even vs a Suzu ykkz comp, it smacked for at least half their vanguard HP
still no good meta comps in sight though to test vs
is potentially alternative to VV I think

on Aquila it seems to hit but makes not much diff since, well, 2 lowish eff fighters after all

[worldly cape]

Rockets might work better on Independence

[elder crane]

yeah I expect her to do about as much as percy's double preload with them but with better other effects
nice thing about NJ Percy Aquila might be though that you have a good shot at maintaining stealth depending on what vanguard you run
esp if their Aquila uses rockets, that's 2 less intercept at 12 s so maybe is good chance Aquila maintains stealth with percy in center lowering plane spotting

I'll try it out later with Aurora too, although if it's good enough then you'd run Anchorage to counter that

[worldly cape]

Ironic how TBs are the fighters now and fighters are DBs

[sour oasis]

[light crystal]

U using ACC boost on ur Percy? Like Collab SG's, or WNT?

[elder crane]

Collab SG yeah
No WNT ofc

[light crystal]

Im using WNT on my off-FS AQL nowadays, purely for the stats lol

[elder crane]

Gotta get in runs before anchorage spam happens

Same lol

[empty owl]

First or second ? I can’t decide

[elder crane]

Second

But honestly neither

[waxen lion]

None, oath her you monster

[light crystal]

Btw, the new IM Band has better stats than previous Collab SG's, I might +13 that thing

[elder crane]

It's the same?

Datamine gave stats at +13

[light crystal]

Oh 🤔

[empty owl]

I-I know 😭

[light crystal]

Fucking misleading, was excited for a sec kek

[covert swallow]

it was 18 eva 28 hit at +13 right

[elder crane]

Mhmm

[waxen lion]

What's WNT?

[covert swallow]

washington naval treaty

[waxen lion]

Oh that thing

[empty owl]

What would you suggest?

[candid sluice]

Replace the aux to avgas and +hit

[flint sun]

is indep good in pvp?

also, duca seattle or duca noshiro?

[candid sluice]

yea indep is nice

[candid sluice]

this depends on the rest of your comp

[flint sun]

NJ, DoY (for leveling) or 120 VV
Juneau

[candid sluice]

id take seattle

[radiant brook]

Is it wise to not give aquila plane fuel?

The one from core shop

[candid sluice]

are u using 818 on her or something

[radiant brook]

No

Just wyvern

[abstract horizon]

junea eldridge and baltimore good for indep?

[light crystal]

Juneau/Ancho/Seattle prob the best all-usn VG

Otherwise, use Juneau/Birm/Seattle for Indep I guess

[lime folio]

Hey can someone show me a default Seattle gear for pastas

[light crystal]

Just tank stuff

Rudder/Beaver/Kicks/Manjuu/Pearl/Boiler

[lime folio]

[sour oasis]

Was teddy bear (and heels) the only event aux that boosted speed? I feel like there's another one I can't remember

[light crystal]

Chip

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Auxiliary_Equipment

Problem with Chip, doesn't change background music. Iirc, it did during the event, but not after. Which is why I was worried if Akimo would be the same, thankfully, still works post-event

Ngl, lowkey want the IM Band to be able to change music too and still work post-event

Probably not tho

[gloomy lantern]

I feel like Azur Lane Meta’s guide on the community tier list should probably be pinned to this channel

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

The current lists pinned are very old

[flint python]

[gloomy lantern]

It’s up to date and probably will continue to be updated for the foreseeable future. The first place someone looks for information in a channel is the pins

[candid sluice]

only the fleet composition section is updated everything else isnt

[meager valley]

btw the pvp damage mechanics sections is wrong

i put the right damage mods on the wiki exercises page

[candid sluice]

drako our lord and savior

[meager valley]

the pvp ship analysis section isn't up to date

at least the composition section is the only important one

[candid sluice]

equipment is nonexistent too

[humble geyser]

Well if you guys do ever umm get one that’s semi up to date I’ll pin if for y’all

[leaden sky]

Are we gonna have an updated pvp guide now

[candid sluice]

[lime rivet]

I think we'll hold off on pinning the ectl pvp guide in the interim given the information is not up to date.

[gloomy lantern]

@crimson bear update yer guide

[candid sluice]

[lean geode]

so what's the best pvp fleet atm

VV Aquila NJ / Noshiro Duca Jintsuu?

[light crystal]

Yes for backline, as for VG, not really. Torp meme was always too RNG reliant. With the DPS from Mafia Backline, u want to focus on stall VG.

That usually means: Juneau/Duca + Seattle/Azuma/YKKZ/Suzu

New PR ships, Ancho and Agir, are also promising, but need testing to see best optimal use.

[elder crane]

Torpmeme is good if you don't all-in on it

At least on attack

Juneau Naganami Duca works pretty well

With new KMS fighter, Percy setup also gets some shot at life but also not really lol
It's much better than before but even vs standard meta rn is I think worse, and Anchorage is coming to ruin it
Testing Percy NJ Aquila Juneau Aurora Duca atm

Minimum 50% dmg on all vanguard vs current meta setups by Percy KMS fighters

Which is kinda low tbh...

[dull hollow]

torp meme is just funny to watch

sometimes the nj disappears

sometimes you do 0 damage

you need good fps though to use torp meme

[elder crane]

Naganami Duca can already delete without having to go stupidly all in

On offense that is

[light crystal]

I only ever did Torp meme for defense, never for attack. Whenever I tried it for attack, the RNG turned me off

Defence gets better placement for Torps anyway

[covert swallow]

I like watching my anchorage eat all the enemies torps at start and still be 100% hp after

[light crystal]

But now torp meme is garbo against Mafia, making it even more laughable than before

[elder crane]

Is not really more RNG than NJ targeting so 🤷‍♂️
90% of the time thier Juneau deletes and then you out-trade or a main gets smacked hard enough to die early

[light crystal]

They just die to AQL/VV

Nah, Torp meme sucks

[elder crane]

No I mean suitorps setup

Juneau Naganami (or whatever) and Duca

[light crystal]

Only stall fleets can have the potential to give me a hard time, torp meme defences are useless 100%, it's funny

[elder crane]

Is enough torp alpha to have deletion effect on offense without sacrificing too much survivability or Juneau

[light crystal]

And NJ is much more reliable than torp meme anyway

Cuz she targets stuff with barrage at least, and gun hits hard too

And also has much higher staying power to keep rolling the dice

Unlike Torp meme thats ded in water after first salvo, and cant really tank for shit

[elder crane]

Duca is survivable enough anyways

Makes sure you lose vanguard trade by a small amt at worst basically, if you don't full torpmeme her

And NJ secs finish the rest

With either Jun heal wasted or some of main fleet killed early, your main then easily wins the trade
Unless ofc the usual shitty RNG on NJ shelling/barrage happens

Where mysteriously their NJ aims at yours for everything but yours splits aim across a bunch if stuff

Is basically how mafia in general loses these days

[light crystal]

Fucking Kaine is saying YKKZ Mafia variants is giving him hard trouble, but I just dont see it, and we're on the same server

I think our kits are different, so thats y he thinks YKKZ is troublesome

For one, he's not using Seattleguns on Duca/Seattle I think, but Nepguns

For another, I dont think he puts EVA aux on backline at all

[elder crane]

He's probably getting out-traded from lack of eva yeah

Did he forget how last BB meta worked smh
Rudders on everyone

[light crystal]

Well, Im running WNT/JetFuel on AQL

Im not running any Eva on NJ, but I do on VV

[elder crane]

I was straight up WNT badge on Aquila lol

[light crystal]

WS/HPFCR on NJ, and I do fine, cuz I have her on safest spot anyway

[elder crane]

Otherwise she can get unlucky

Or when WNT flag I run Badge avgas

Naw embrace the manjuu

[light crystal]

Eh, I want her initial preload to hit hard and true, so thats y I stick with JetFuel at the bery least

I use Manju/Beaver on Seattle lel

[elder crane]

I still maintain Manjuu on Seattle is almost worthless

More clutch on NJ

Seattle w NJ doesn't get chunked down that hard

[light crystal]

Kicks/Pearl on Duca, Bulge/Boiler Juneau

[elder crane]

And NJ rn is the main issue for NJ

Is not really a surprise when NJ represents over 1/3 of the team dmg

[light crystal]

I get my bang out of Manjuu on Seattle. If I din't , i would've switched to Manjuu on NJ.

[elder crane]

I really wish we could see equipment
Cause as soon as I see manjuu pop on anything not NJ
Whelp, can afk now

[karmic forum]

Aoste doesn't feel pressured to put manjuu on NJ because Washy hasn't caught on yet.

[light crystal]

NJ/AQL do about 80% of my DPS most of the time

[light crystal]

I dont think it's that

[elder crane]

Yeah vs Manjuu NJ mafia setups it's really obvious

Naw it is

[karmic forum]

Its absolutely that

[light crystal]

But I mean, if u mantain u like it better, than do it

[light crystal]

I strongly disagree

[elder crane]

You lose at least 10% WR if you don't manjuu NJ vs someone who does

[light crystal]

Debatable. Overall team composition and Kit also play a role into WR's

[elder crane]

Anything not mafia is a joke so it's not necessary there

Naw

[light crystal]

Yaw

[elder crane]

Manjuu straight up at least 10% WR diff in all mirror-like NJ comps

[light crystal]

If you feel like that, then keep using it then

[elder crane]

Is very obvious when you face NJ mirrors where they run Manjuu on NJ
Cause NJ is last one standing for losing team like 80% of the time

Tight matches are pretty much all NJ vs NJ

[light crystal]

🤔

Mirrors will always have quirks

[elder crane]

Well is no point rn teching vs any nonNJ comp, even as defense really

On that note still need to try out warkai later
Sic her on NJ and maybe is actually good countermeta

[light crystal]

From my observations, at least when they're on defense, I haven't seen Manjuu NJ's be particularly scary, much less needed to reset against them. Of course, maybe there needs to be a large enough sample size needed on my part to notice a difference. But I maintain that it's not like you say that when you magically put Manjuu on NJ it's GG's. You need good team composition and kit to maybe get it up there.

[karmic forum]

I'm entertaining an FdG/NJ/Ws comp to focus down enemy NJ

Since most NJ's don't run any eva

[light crystal]

FDG/NJ/W is not a good defense tho, unless all 3 are running 457's

[karmic forum]

I feel like you could maybe get away with that

[elder crane]

No one said that
But of any individual aux choice
Putting manjuu on NJ is the most impactful I'd say

[karmic forum]

I'm running 2 457 + the champ gun for the time being.

Gonna try to test a bit on offense and defense

[elder crane]

Wait you don't have 3 457?

[karmic forum]

I'm not really expecting much but maybe it will surprise

[light crystal]

Well, I read "Put Manju on NJ, and WR goes up by 10%". I would be ok with u saying "Put Manjuu on NJ, and u get an edge over non-manjuu NJ over the long run".

[elder crane]

Yeah idk about that without three
Would just run Aql instead

Note that

If you don't run aql

Enemy aql will be insane

[light crystal]

No, I dont, 26 more BP's needed

[elder crane]

No it's actually that impactful
Yes that impactful mostly only for NJ mirror but currently any other comp ppl use, mafia is 100% offense wr anyways so 🤷‍♂️

[light crystal]

99%

RNG is still RNG.

[elder crane]

Despite doing like 5-10 runs every time I see a serious team if not rushing, haven't seen that 1% yet

Even when testing NJ comps I've later written off as "suboptimal"

[light crystal]

But I will concede Manjuu NJ may get u an edge over non-manjuu NJ's. Im ok with doing that to try to come on otp of wut the other guy is urning in regards to mirrors

[elder crane]

Anyways on 3 BB
Giving up air control to aql is going to be not fun

[light crystal]

It's viable

[elder crane]

I'm pretty sure she'd MVP over NJ more than half the time if you don't do it

[light crystal]

USN AA VG, NJ has strong AA as well. As long as u got EVA/HPFCR and 457's on all 3, it's viable enough. Maybe not optimal? But deffo not a joke and scary if good RNG at deleting fast enough

[elder crane]

Plus until you kill their VG, you can't even see her
And w FdG WSkai that might actually be problematic

[karmic forum]

Well the question is if NJ + WS or NJ + FdG is enough to pop NJ early

[elder crane]

I tried with FdG and meh not really

FdG is the one I don't think fits
Unless she's the diff that guarantees NJ death before second reload, then maaaybe

I tried her over VV and it was about the same really, and VV is def weaker link than aql is

Part of the problem is that NJ loads before FdG

[light crystal]

Recently changed my NJ's name to be more fitting.

[rich escarp]

Hmmm....between yukikaze and Noshiro, who would be better with Azuma?

[candid sluice]

one doesnt really affect the other so pick your favorite

well nosh can help her against torps

[rich escarp]

yeah, I was debating between that or Yuki's "down to one damage" boost helping me have a vanguard after a death barrage

[elder crane]

In current meta I'd defs take ykkz

8% backline protection with 10% emergency heal
Gotta take what you can get if you aren't running NJ yourself

[iron stratus]

Hewwo, good night paals, quick question

Since I don't have advanced radar which option would be better for nj?

White Bullet + manjuu
Or
SG + manju?

[light crystal]

U want Hit, always

So SG would be ur next bet

[iron stratus]

Aright then, sad for my white bullet, it's +13 tho

Thanks, I'll put sg once I get it at +10

[light crystal]

It wont do u any good if u miss. would u take straight 0 DMG, or like 10-5% less DPS from not using a WS

[iron stratus]

Dontcha worry, I askt and I'll follow the tip for sure! Thanks for fast answer

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

white bullet gives hit too

[iron stratus]

I just realized, but maybe it's because sg gives more? Idk

[candid sluice]

yeah sg is bit more and gives eva over fp

[iron stratus]

Makes sence sg better than white tho

[light crystal]

Are u seriously comparing 35 Hit to 15 Hit????

It's more than just "abit"

I don't know the hard numbers myslf, but that difference would translate into more than 10% hit rate I'm sure

[iron stratus]

Chill chill my fam!

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

hey im just saying theres more than just hit u use sg for

[light crystal]

U mostly use it for Hit, the Eva is more of a bonus

Same reason u use the WS for the Crit DMG and FP boost, the Hit being a bonus

And same reason you'd use Kicks rather than Rudder, because of the Speed bonus ♿

Well either way, you wanna boost the Hit stat for a certain value at minimum in PvP, because otherwise the hit rate against the opposing team plummets pretty badly

[candid sluice]

yea fair enough

[lean geode]

on seattle duca juneau vanguard, who gets pearl, who gets manjuu, and who's where

[candid sluice]

order should be jun luigi seattle

[dull hollow]

who tf has the patience

to swap the manjuu on and off NJ

do yall not use her in pve or something

[light crystal]

I just use it on Seattle and have no problems

[flint python]

[light crystal]

Incidentally, I'm using 109G on Glorious to grind MP Phase 2 XP instead of using the Fighter on AQL. Prioritizing PvE, imagine that

[candid sluice]

you dont use manjuu nj in meta fights?

[light crystal]

I dont

[candid sluice]

you havent experienced new meta yet

[light crystal]

How AQL working out for u?

🙂

[candid sluice]

aquila is old meta

indepkai is new meta

[light crystal]

not enough meta

[candid sluice]

ticonderoga with rocket plane is also new meta

the vanguard viscerator

[light crystal]

Tico's hot

Specially the skin

[elder crane]

she does fine with it anyways though
and is just abyssals where she actually fights rather than be cheerleader

[light crystal]

I have her tank lasers in Melenea fight to ensure my BB's shoot up to the last second, which they actually do, still shooting at 1s remaining

[dull hollow]

viscerate THIS

[bright helm]

When do you get less pts? I know that if your enemie is ~200 rank higher you get +1 on base pts

[candid sluice]

when they are a lower rank than you

[bright helm]

If I'm r6 and my opponent is r20 will I get -1 pt? Or is it like to get +1 that you need a big difference to get that bonus?

[delicate owl]

yup you'll get a -1 at that case

[candid sluice]

if theyre lower u will get less pts

if theyre way lower u will get more -1s

[delicate owl]

to get a +1 at this point (i.e. your current points are 1050+), you need someone who is ahead of you by at least 35 points

[crude mortar]

omg content creator

[clear briar]

[elder crane]

since it hasn't been explicitly said yet, bonuses are based on score difference, not rank difference
and no if they're not in top 100 and you can't ask them, then you have no way of knowing their score, you can only guesstimate it from rank

[crimson bear]

I submitted the update 2 weeks ago. It should be going live soon (hopefully next update).

[sour oasis]

Good thing they're on Amagi. Only ten players there care enough to min max scoring.

[candid sluice]

amagi lives matter

[light crystal]

Agreed.

Thank you for that, now I feel better about myself

[candid sluice]

hey our eos scores are getting up there

[dull hollow]

amagi

more like

north american league of legends

[flint python]

[calm mica]

10? I don't remember it being that many

[dull hollow]

so i suppose the consensus is

purple/gold face researches are now as good as blue in terms of getting bp

but shit for gear parts

but the non face ones seem buffed too so

i think ill just be hitting those

coz they give more gear

[candid sluice]

ppl been crying abt gold dr faces tho saying they only get 3 prints from em

[dull hollow]

well before u could only get 1

so

considering that a 2:30 can give you 1

it means the rate overall is par for the course

tho arguably u should still spam 2:30 or 4hr non faced ones

to max gear

and max changes of rolling more 30min search

[light crystal]

Roll yo momma

[unkempt sparrow]

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

ah crap nvm the sheet makers messed up sorting

wait nvm I misread it second time aaa

yeah original point I deleted stands
2.5h DR slight nerf overall but still most efficient
5h DR buffed to be on par with 8h PR3
8h one unchanged overall from PR3

[leaden sky]

you need some sleep blue

[elder crane]

wait wtf looking over the sheet it seems there's been like no other adjustments from PR2 data

matches up perfectly aside from D projects

[leaden sky]

I thought they only made adjustments for D?

[elder crane]

they said something about "adjusting the benefit vs rarity" of projects as well

which seems like they maybe meant only D lol

also looking closely naw 2.5 h face is same as before, roughly

so really they only condensed print drops from D projects and buffed 5 hour D, it seems

[leaden sky]

yea that's what i felt too, purple D just straight buffed up, and gold is quite similar to PR3, but that 3 guaranteed bps are nice.

rainbow D tho, saw some peeps had better drops compared to pre buff research

[light crystal]

8h has also been buffed, guarantees 3 BP at least

I got 4 Agir + 1 bonus Agir from an 8h Agir just now, so good roll

[elder crane]

yeah but the overall rate on DR print over PR3 is like +0.5, while there's now no PR drops

[light crystal]

Oh yeah. Well, good thing I mix in unfocused 1.5h and Cubesearch in between of the Face ones as well

Still, 70 Agir and 23 Haku BP's, it sorta hurts, cuz I dont wanna fall too behind Haku, but new system forces u to

[uncut parcel]

how do you get +11s and +12s in the scores again? like what is the threshold

[candid sluice]

35 pts ahead for +11 and 71 pts for +12

[uncut parcel]

gotcha

[light crystal]

I think its 70 for +12

[candid sluice]

naw its 71

dumb rounding issues

i have yet to get a +12 from a 70

[light crystal]

Maybe is just ur unlucky then

[late heath]

70 give me 12

[sour oasis]

Pics

Also, keep in mind that the difference has to be when you win your fight.
If your opponent gains points while you're fighting them before your fight is finished, when you finish you might gain an extra point.

I once started a fight with a rank 98 that was just 30 points ahead of me. When I won the fight, I got +11. Immediately looking at the Leader board, they jumped to rank 50-ish.

[elder crane]

yeah it's 71
they probably add the bonus before checking for second bonus lol
+35 gives a bonus +1 so +35 more is +71

[light crystal]

🤔

I maintain ur just unlucky then

[candid sluice]

🍝

[rich escarp]

been a while since I've been in here, is the PVP ship meta still the same sakura girls? (Nagato, shinano, hiryuu, amagi, azuma, yukikaze, juneau)

Or has that been broken now?

[rich escarp]

oh! Are those really effective or is it just a meme?

[karmic forum]

NJ Aquila VV Juneau Duca Seattle

[rich escarp]

might take me a hot minute to get those guys leveled, but I'll definately consider it

[sour oasis]

You missed the resurgence of torpedo memes. And then more anti-torpedo walls. And then NJ who does torpedo-meme damage as a BB, but her targeting system is randomized.

[rich escarp]

it's really nice to see things mixed up. I got tired of literally the same 6-7 ships in every single fight.

Downside is, I am JUST about to finish getting the amount of blueprints I need for a dev 30 azuma...

[candid sluice]

well shes still good in pve not a complete waste

[dull hollow]

well

it is the same 6 ships again

just diff 6 ships

technically u can choose from a pool of about 7~ for the frontline

but the backline hasnt rly changed in terms of who the big 3 or 4 are

[light crystal]

To be fair, while Seattle was good all along, specially after Stealth, alot of ppl slept on her.

[dull hollow]

ive

never been walled by a seattle

and never had good days from her

idgi

[light crystal]

idgi

[elder crane]

Rn is like
If you run one of the more optimized NJ fleets
Anything not running NJ is a joke
Aquila is almost nonoptional too
As is Juneau
Third main fleet slot is flexible, standard atm is VV but FdG works well, maybe warkai and indep can be good, and Percy is doing okay for me atm in testing with the new rocket fighters from PR4
MP PR4 also maybe after dev30
Other Vanguard standard atm is duca seattle but Naganami+duca, aurora+duca, and PR4 anchorage (yes without high devlv even) are all interesting, as will Agir probably after dev25+

Old IJN has fallen harder than Nakaga did so

[dull hollow]

it's time to DUEL

lmao using her in pvp is gonna be pepege

[candid sluice]

why are you subjecting yourself to pain

[dull hollow]

but the CRASH damage memes

also I try to level 1 shitter off to the side

in pvp

[light crystal]

Not even Oathed.

[naive dome]

what's the best gun for NJ ?

[dull hollow]

beehives

the splitting effect takes on the effect of her barrage shells

so it deals a lot more damage than intended

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

not sure if they fix

[flint python]

[candid sluice]

confetti gun nj new meta

[dull hollow]

o

sry for leaking the tech

i was supposed to keep that secret

[naive dome]

damn gotta try it

[dull hollow]

gods i fkin love when i wipe the entire wave but my wyverns are useless cuz they cant hit the next wave until this shitter retreats

wait did anyone test if the imas sluts blow up in pvp or retreat

[candid sluice]

we all know the real answer is mikasagun

[dull hollow]

imagine if they retreated

free 2s manjuu

per ship

[candid sluice]

naw if u use them they sink like any other ship

[dull hollow]

[candid sluice]

only the dumbass event humanoids retreat

[dull hollow]

theyre not even the actual hoes

they're labeled holograms

thank u bandai

very cool

[candid sluice]

hah u cant skip this event bcus pr4 is out

[iron stream]

wym i still see the same 5-6 ships every fight lol

[candid sluice]

this would be such a good event to skip

[dull hollow]

yukikaze

damn

ur facing off vs a shiter

whot tf uses ykkz still

[iron stream]

standard comp - ykk

[candid sluice]

mafia yuki is new meta wdym

[flint python]

Ykk is not that bad tho

[dull hollow]

idk

[rich escarp]

you forgot her full name- Yukikaze The Great

[dull hollow]

between rockets and aquila

[iron stream]

all I see is NJ + pasta then duca Juneau and some random flavor ship like helena

[dull hollow]

every ykkz goes 404 so fast

[candid sluice]

not everyone has p2w plane yet

[rich escarp]

so what would be good instead of yuki? Seattle?

[dull hollow]

birnghimham memers

rise up

the true answer tho is

[flint python]

Still prefer pirate over rockets on Aquila

[dull hollow]

u put whoever u want to level

on the 3rd slot

ez efficiency

[candid sluice]

im using indep ham like a real gamer

[covert swallow]

real meta is using a level 90 anchorage and still watching her outlive all your other vanguards

[candid sluice]

@dull hollow whats your pr4 progression looking like

wanna see how i compare to a tryhard

[dull hollow]

wdym

im barely a tryhard

i have actually nothing

[candid sluice]

u a grinder tho

[dull hollow]

nah

this event = 0 exp gains

[candid sluice]

wtf u are poor

[dull hollow]

i rushed PR3 back when it came out

[candid sluice]

what abt your equip prints

[dull hollow]

i see no point in rushing this

like

nothing

I cant craft a thing

my casual EN friend

who i pilot

she has 6 rainbows

i have 4

[candid sluice]

damn u are slower than i thought

[dull hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzUhHd8Av14&list=PLkRyIsN0isJG9XA5SXlALcj70NrimQXXT&index=10

[candid sluice]

tenrai rocket plane aquila gonna be ass to deal with

[lyric thistle]

if i wanna use a full pasta fleet, what gun is best for littorio ? her skill gun, or something else ?

[light crystal]

Probably 457

[tacit fulcrum]

Can i finnally found property pvp eq for this ships? I lost 3rd time in this season!!!

This fleet useless at all, fuck this italian bitches

Where are guides?

[ebon kraken]

[light crystal]

I would sub out out Helena for Seattle, and move NJ to upper position. Put WNT on AQL, Rudder or Beaver on VV and she on middle, and some ppl put Manjuu on NJ, so could try that too if you want.

Generally want tanking gear on everyone, and HPFCR on VV and NJ.

Also, make sure you're using 457 on NJ, any other gun will be subpar

[slender tartan]

meanwhile me with my fleet in PVP

[sullen sierra]

might have misunderstood the above but doesnt WNT only work when in flag position? but put VV in middle?

[slender tartan]

maybe for the stats alone? yet again why not equip HPHSG for defense if thats the case? maybe for the HIT stat since HPHSG doesnt have HIT. i dunno. i gave my the purple pvp gear from core shop and called it a day. it's aquilla . its gonna work. ( when she gets leveled up, we can get to the clowning 🤡 )

[sullen sierra]

i mean, ud get more out of sg radar if youre not using WNTs 15% dmg reduction effect, i assume it was just a misype, just wanted some clarification when he has time

[slender tartan]

i dont think aquila can equip SG radar unless you talk about WNT'S on venetto and she flagship. then i pass

[sullen sierra]

oh yeah, im silly , either way, seemed like a huge waste, so thought id inquire

[slender tartan]

its cool. i just got jebaited for a second XD.

[light crystal]

For the stats alone

The best Hit/Eva Aux equip u can use on a CV

[sullen sierra]

ic...is it really worth it tho when it could be used on VV for 15% fleetwise dmg reduction? or just moving AQL mid?

[light crystal]

I dont feel the need to use the effect

Having VV be middle is more optimal, as far as sacrificial pawns are concerned, cuz it's the spot that takes the most dmg most of the time.

The second best option for smilar Aux on AQL would be using a Collab SG radar, 15 Eva and 25 Hit.

[sullen sierra]

is there a certain amount of hit thats really needed?

[candid sluice]

as much as you can

[sullen sierra]

figured in that case Beaver Badge or Rudder shouldnt be used on main fleet as they dont have hit. assumed there was some kind of balance to be struck between the 2, eva and hit

[light crystal]

A CV always needs JetFuel/AviTank + one other Aux. In this case, where we have BB-focused meta, you'd want to use an Aux that has Eva/Hit as well.

[sour oasis]

This fleet useless at all, fuck this italian bitches
Did this make sense to anyone? Anyone?
A needed question is... What did you lose to?

[candid sluice]

i think he wants to fuck some italian bitches idk

sorry my english is bad

[trail temple]

Sounds hot, are there videos?

[light crystal]

Ask your mom

[elder crane]

yeah, usually eva and hit are worth about equal
eva has higher % effect on eHP than hit has on %eDpS, but main fleet proportionally make up more of the team's eDpS than eHP usually, so it evens out overall
for specific ships you can have extra considerations, like VV for a main fleet ship isn't all that much of team eDpS
there's also diminishing returns on +hit, where past about +40 it's not as valuable anymore
eva is so low for main usually though that scaling isn't much a concern

[sullen sierra]

thanks for the writeup, i should be able to make some solid decisions around that

is there a big case to be made for either when choosing between hsfcr and sg radar?

[light crystal]

HPFCR + Rudder and call it a day

[candid sluice]

we back to rudder backline meta?

[light crystal]

Rudder and BB's shooting at each other go hand in hand, yes

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-sinking-ship-battleship-gif-21486394

[sour oasis]

That just makes it hotter.

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466250908682944522/870544587654045756/unknown.png

Imagine a UR Manjuu with 15s Immunity instead of 8s

[flint python]

Can be used on any faction

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

My "mom" is not Italian...

[slender tartan]

no. like no. the one we already have is more than enough already (pls no more immunity shit cough 🐰 cough )

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

What's with new Jersey manjuu?

[slender tartan]

some people like it for the added immunity just so even if she somehow goes does she also has a total immunity window of 8 sec. she has really good stats by herself so she deal good dmg with a HPFCR and manjuu. so no white shell for the sake of defense. i personally prefer white shell - HPFCR .

[candid sluice]

manjuu nj is the new hiryuu

[slender tartan]

these are her stats compared to FDG. she is litteraly her but with no weaknesses (FDG WEAK ANTI-AIR, NO LUCK). BuT sHe HaS 366 LeSs HeAlTh AnD 2 LeSs Fp AnD 10% LeSs EfFiEnCy MaIn AnD sEcOnDaRy. yeah 2 FP irrelevant she still hits like a truck. 366 health really doesnt mean anything. she is a beast at anything else.

[candid sluice]

[flint python]

0 luck

[slender tartan]

dont forget the 8+ months it takes to make her . fate sim (if it comes for DR) next year might make things better. but by next year we will have yamato probably who will not be in flagship position of sakura. have preload for all sakura carriers cuz why not. shoot 2 nagato barrages with 100% crit chance at 75% chance of activation. something like this.

[grizzled hemlock]

IJN is ded already, without a preload they have no chance

[candid sluice]

only a matter of time till they get preload carriers

[trail temple]

Pay it no mind, just people trolling

[radiant brook]

Aight

[slender tartan]

how about a UR steam catapult that gives. 200 AVI 150 HP and has passive : CV'S CVL'S get preloaded air-strike. if 2 steam catapults are equipped also decrease normal air-strike loading time by 5 sec. because having a shinano with 1000 AVI and 2 +13wyverns preloading my IB vanguard is gonna be a spectacle

[flint python]

No built in avgas skill?

[candid sluice]

You forgot also gives dmg reduction to whole fleet

[dull token]

which ship?

[slender tartan]

at this point just slap immortal birb to the entire fleet as well and make it 15sec's on top of that

[candid sluice]

Give us an Eldridge or jda that doesn’t have skills that start on cooldown easy solution

[slender tartan]

and if you lose a seal or orichalcos will appear irl and claim your soul for sleepy fox

[candid sluice]

[grizzled hemlock]

[dull hollow]

imagine

thinking CV will remain meta

LUL

when the rainbow AA gun countdown

is ticking

[leaden sky]

[candid sluice]

You been huffing too much hopium

[mint hornet]

[worldly cape]

I think what we need more than a rainbow AA gun is more items that counter mechanics

Like "Disables all on death effects", "All heals instead damage the ships", "Torpedoes, airstrikes and salvos are disabled at battle start", etc

[sour oasis]

Sub pre-strike

[winged holly]

do you get new opponents for anything other than finishing an exercise, or pushing "refresh"