pvp

[elder crane]

sadly anchorage doesn't

[dull hollow]

lmao

big fluffy cucked

if she had preload

would be cracked

[elder crane]

unfortunate since she has a smoke tied to torp

[dull hollow]

she has jean shield too

[elder crane]

looks great for PvE or last meta

is probably okay now anyways

[light crystal]

This guy

That aged well.

[dull hollow]

bruh almost everyone here was shitting on NJ

[elder crane]

oh shit

[light crystal]

Ignoring the fact that Mafia had already dethroned IJN like a week or so prior

[elder crane]

parseval has better version of Formi stop

[light crystal]

So she's like improved Strasser?

[elder crane]

75% chance on strike for 2.5 s of stop and 1 s decay

chance is yikes but is longer stop than formi

add that we got aimed torp fighter and hmm hmm

man Parseval is actually pretty interesting

[candid sluice]

Well it’s better than enty lol

[elder crane]

meanwhile haku is boring af

[dull hollow]

[candid sluice]

But it can be times

Wtf light mode discord

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594951529941696513/862348455715405824/nj.webm

[elder crane]

I just realized

KMS got two slows now

and one of the only strong vanguard slows
the only other one is Mun, right?

[dull hollow]

marco barrage lasts longer

[elder crane]

oh nvm

[dull hollow]

than a pig cumming in a doujin

[elder crane]

anchorage does have preload torp

[dull hollow]

it just keeps on going

[elder crane]

so preloaded smoke and shield effect

wow

[dull hollow]

anchoarge agir meta

[elder crane]

that's actually really good

[dull hollow]

slow enemy and become unkillable

[elder crane]

mmmmm

slow on hitting torpedo

and 60%

mmmm

[dull hollow]

agir probs just a cheerleader

azuma is already squishy

so

agir probably just 4fun pick

idk

thing is

front speed is tied to all 3 ships

so

as long as 1 torp can connect

they are all gonna move at snail pace

tho

it is kind of useless if the slow doesnt last long enough

for anything meaningful to happen

wait

idk

u could maybe forgo mag torps

[elder crane]

also timing problem
also 0 luck low hit CB and torpedo spread problem

[dull hollow]

and equip normal quints

because u want the torps to land fast enough

so that preload shelling

is still going out

mag torps a bit slow

[elder crane]

if you do that then is like 60% for torp to not whiff

then 70% to pass eva check

or lower

so lol

[dull hollow]

i mean british torps with blacks was playing the same game

torp focus shit is always rng

i like it though

i prefer shit with clear win/loss

og ryuusei AI

was much more interesting

[elder crane]

what maybe is interesting is antispeed setup

[dull hollow]

than how it is now

og ryuusei

targets flagship

even if front is up

this was back in nakaga og days

[elder crane]

rn one of the things about smoke is that is always on fast ship, right

but anchorage has CA speed

[dull hollow]

there was a clear win/loss trade you were taking with cuda vs ryuusei

nowadays ryuusei useelss in pvp

besides on Hiryuu before wyvern kicked in

[light crystal]

That's why you should approach stuff wit an open mind

[elder crane]

*partially targets flag and drops much closer to vanguard

[light crystal]

Imagine using Richy over NJ tho, tsk tsk Blue

[elder crane]

also biased towards offense

[dull hollow]

"worse than warspite"

well none of us were able to foresee the rise of indepdence

now that was a funny turn of events

[elder crane]

indep was just out of the blue

[light crystal]

I did sleep on Indy

I dismissed her early myself

[elder crane]

when I admitted NJ was actually good then is obvs Indep is too

[dull hollow]

me sitting in the USN converging torps waiting room

[light crystal]

Well, still challenging to use, main issue is piss poor HP lol

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

wait

Indep got minorly shafted

aimed torp fighter is IJN

[light crystal]

How so

[elder crane]

[dull hollow]

idk if u would use that in pvp

[light crystal]

🤔

I mean

Just use Tigercat

[elder crane]

her PvE loadout doesn't use the eff skill at all lol

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

which is still fine tbh

but funny nonetheless

[dull hollow]

like i said

USN converging torp

waiting room

[elder crane]

wait forever then lol

[dull hollow]

[light crystal]

Hey

[dull hollow]

usn had the worst torp tech

so it's never happening

[elder crane]

is cause they properly realized

[light crystal]

This IJN Torp Fighter can make Enty pretty good, as the Essexses eh

[elder crane]

TB bad irl

yeah

it does make the USN setups more competitive

[light crystal]

I was thinking that Rocket Fighters were gonna be the saviors of the USN

Turns out

It was TB Fighters instead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466250908682944522/744316263215661126/BouncyLaugh.gif

[elder crane]

I'll have to re-eval on torpnuking with USN with NJ cross-fleet buff

but

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

seems unlikely is better than Nano/Haku

[dull hollow]

ill probs swap my fleets around anyway

i was never one to hug the netdeck meta

running new meme shit

is more fun

[elder crane]

anyways USN properly recognized DB is the way to go

TB sux if enemy puts up a fight irl

[light crystal]

DB good in WoWs and IRL, sux in AL, yes

[elder crane]

the best contribution USN TBs made in ww2 was being such a sitting duck they aggrod the IJN CAP all the time

which let DBs face fewer CAP

[dull hollow]

haku seems worse than shinano to me but idk

her slots are stupid

her skills dont make up for it

i watched the barrage numbers

[light crystal]

So u think Anchorage can replace Seattle? Or at least a viable and strong alternative @elder crane

[elder crane]

yeah is slightly worse nano but that still gets you pretty far

[light crystal]

You can also just use both

[elder crane]

replaces I think

[dull hollow]

thing is i already relegated shinano into the abyss for me personally

mostly coz aquila exists

[elder crane]

can fit both in full USN setup I guess

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

which maybe is a thing now

cause

Anchorage is anti-preload

[light crystal]

Juneau/Anchorage/Seattle

MERIKA, FUK YEH

[dull hollow]

shinano centaur both arks

are all swimming in roughly the same tier of being torp whores

haku seems worse than all of them because of weird slots

and idt her barrage will make up for it

[elder crane]

ehhhh

no

Nano is well above rest for pure damage

[dull hollow]

no

she loses to meta ark on the regular

normal ark has higher ceiling

centaur is hard to quantify because her slow + buff

[elder crane]

naw

[light crystal]

Also, AQL/NJ/MP, Juneau/Anchorage/Seattle. @elder crane Thougts?

[elder crane]

vs MArk Nano has pretty much exact same TB damage

and obvs much more DB

[elder crane]

why MP

[dull hollow]

i tryharded my Meta ark battle all day

meta ark beat her on the regular

[elder crane]

I'd just run full USN with that

[dull hollow]

but for haku in particular

im not sold

[light crystal]

I dunno, just looked at MP barrage, looks good, have yet to look at skills lol

[elder crane]

sounds sketch to me tbh, did you not 2 IJN buff or something? cause that's about where they should be

[elder crane]

75% (?) on firing gun without preload or anything

[dull hollow]

oh I tried the Shoukaku meme

it was just never better than even centaur

unless u mean ayanammi front

then iunno

[elder crane]

you probably mis-timed then

[dull hollow]

nah i made shoukaku go first

[elder crane]

no as in timed to movement stops

[dull hollow]

oh nah

i figured it out

[elder crane]

that comp need you to time down to every pt of reload

[dull hollow]

unless ur talking about the meme german torp 4 salvo setup

which i didnt use

just default 3 ryuusei

[elder crane]

even ryuuseis needs you to time it

[dull hollow]

yeah i figured out the timing pretty well

to squeeze in helena + captilizae on non movement

[elder crane]

I ran 3 strikes too and the window is like literally 0.05 s

for auto

[dull hollow]

lul i manualed it everyday

[elder crane]

is technically 0 window, esp for ryuus

if manual then you probably should have 4 strikes comp
and then is like ez 700-900k floor

depending on equipment enhance

[dull hollow]

nah

i never made any german torps

and u need 3 oath + lot of tech

i dont oath ships

ever

also

[elder crane]

is not actually that much tech needed

[dull hollow]

3x800

[elder crane]

23 is enough

[dull hollow]

is this a torp then

idek

[elder crane]

80/110/130 is aviation torp mods

[dull hollow]

why 3x800 then

w.e

[elder crane]

I don't think any bombs have that

[dull hollow]

yeah i was wondering if it got converted to 3x800 DB

[elder crane]

oh nvm AP bombs have that

[dull hollow]

i think I almost scraped 1.2mil with my mark setup

or was it 1.3

[elder crane]

that looks like AP bombs

[dull hollow]

AP bombs on fighter

[elder crane]

I see the chinese words for "AP" there

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

well you can straight up almost kill without anything more than Helena with IJN CV comp

just add torps or more RNG buff to make up the diff and gucci

[covert swallow]

https://streamable.com/6dn8x2

[elder crane]

or can just straight torps and no helena

If it wasn't for the slow

Agir is soooo boring lol

literally copypasta Azuma lol

[dull hollow]

-2k hp

all the eugen simps

gonna be huffing copium

[elder crane]

oh

I just noticed

she's base heavy armor

huh

that's interesting

huuuuh

for PvE ofc

it makes her real bad for PvP probably

although I wonder if ppl would run heavy armor Azuma if it didn't take up an aux slot

[dull hollow]

i run it on azuma

simply because

there's only so much

double eva gear

to go around

[elder crane]

in PvE it's just good

[dull hollow]

cn bros say

[elder crane]

unless on torpspam boss ofc

[dull hollow]

anchoarge surviability

should be insane

seattle fired

[elder crane]

yeah

[dull hollow]

pog

i am a prophet

[elder crane]

anchorage is

San Fran now 100% relegated to back spot

in PvE ofc

in PvP Anchorage first viable CA in a long time?

[granite flame]

wait do we have all the skills for Agir?

[elder crane]

ye

[granite flame]

pvp viable?

[elder crane]

no

is like

not shit

but

no

[granite flame]

[elder crane]

if you run pure KMS she makes it in for sure

otherwise

no

[granite flame]

dub

mainz roon agir was what i was going to run

[elder crane]

is nice memez since she has preload torps and torps cause 60% slow

is insane for PvE

for PvP mmmm I don't see it

the insane one in PvP is Anchorage

[granite flame]

she super tanky at least like azuma?

her class is LC

[dull hollow]

wait i clowned

i thought azuma had 10k hp

she also only has 7k

[elder crane]

Agir also has heavy armor to begin with it seems

man

I think PvE top two nonchinawall tank spots just changed to Anchorage then Agir

Anchorage maybe even leaving chinawall in the dust

but yeah smoke+ shield+immunity?

[karmic forum]

Stonks

[elder crane]

yep

100%

[uncut agate]

⚓ mega chonk

[elder crane]

is time to make one of those

[light crystal]

@elder crane Thoughts?

[elder crane]

not like 215 torpedo stat 115% eff does any dmg

[karmic forum]

Enjoy seeing Anchorage in every single PvP comp over the next year btw

[elder crane]

yeaaaap

[granite flame]

whats she do

[light crystal]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/l8OhuP5tbQfxsm_S8LU2ooYX15k8dJIGAkq5XkkGGUTfSbIN96OTXvJtrstEZWz8K9jmNDOOkd27hplNN2lYGR5aiEyIIXa5cMPV5ypLb5OwUliJOf0Co7R0_g8a42bM

[granite flame]

obliterate plane spam?

[elder crane]

obscenely tanky

[covert swallow]

juneau/birm/anchorage?

[light crystal]

510 x3, thats alot

[elder crane]

beats out chinawall in PvE with pure HP shield and damage reduction

has JdA skill for self on preload

[granite flame]

[elder crane]

and on 17 s timer basically

and a smoke with that

[dull hollow]

yo let's run

Big fluffy
Belfast
suzutuki

in pvp

first 20s all smoked out

[elder crane]

naw go for maximum shieldz

JdA

[light crystal]

I got no problems with that. I knew she was gonna be the highlight of PR4 in PvP if Haku didn't get a true Preload airstrike.

[dull hollow]

jda

big fluffy

and then

wait for it

eldridge

[light crystal]

And she looks very cute and beautiful.

[dull hollow]

the Kyaru clone

is awful btw

at least cn bros hard passed on her

[elder crane]

heh as if you expected her to work the way she did

[dull hollow]

KMS CV

forever copium

[elder crane]

random ass broken shield skill

I guess tho

this basically confirms

no fast reload torps ever

[light crystal]

I knew smoke + tanky was gonna be her main thing. I did not foresee Shields, but knew tanky nonetheless.

[dull hollow]

idk maybe we get
a broken
Dive bomber in PR4
and slotting haku
with full DB
is the way to go

[elder crane]

wait wait wait

I just realized

oh shiiiit

[karmic forum]

Matches gonna go over a minute on average at this rate

[elder crane]

Anchorage is going to be pepega

skill 1 wants to be slv 1

[light crystal]

🤔

[dull hollow]

idk

well

[light crystal]

Because proc rate

[dull hollow]

at least in the case of dja

o

wait

[elder crane]

yeah you want the torp cd reduction

[dull hollow]

o

idk about that one

[elder crane]

which is the "skill proc miss"

so you want to minimize skill proc chance lmao

[dull hollow]

actaully sk1 existing at all

is pepega

coz

it means u cant garnatee

auto torp smoke timings

vs shit like helmet

[karmic forum]

Assuming the proc rate increases with SL

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

it does

[dull hollow]

whether or not it scales proc rate

[light crystal]

Meh

[elder crane]

45%->75%

[dull hollow]

ur still eating sht rng

[light crystal]

Ill take the barrage

[dull hollow]

i'd rahter SK10

25% to get fucked

instead of coinflip

LOL

at least u can kind of predict

with sk10

[elder crane]

is other way around

[dull hollow]

nah i mean

[elder crane]

if skill fails you get the -3 s CD

[dull hollow]

75% lets me build assuming I dont get -3s

yeah

if I eat -3s too much

[elder crane]

yeah I guess there is an eva buff too

[dull hollow]

my smoke timings are all over the place

for auto

[karmic forum]

Nah Blue has a point, SL1 vs SL10 is a legit consideration

[dull hollow]

im just pointing out

why i would favor 10

esp for auto

[elder crane]

yeah but for PvP

slv 1

[dull hollow]

iunno

[elder crane]

and is PR so you can't level new copy lol

[dull hollow]

well

[light crystal]

Get new account

[dull hollow]

ur going for a 55 coinflip with the fastest torps

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

that u can smokescreen

at 15s

which is when NJ fires

[elder crane]

tbh fast =/= good here

[dull hollow]

nah

u need to eat -3

[elder crane]

since you need to care about exact timing

[dull hollow]

to counter nj

assuming 457

coz fastest torp is like 19s

[elder crane]

I think fast torp is already fast enough no

19 s without reload

[dull hollow]

idk what reload scales it to

17?

guess that might be in time

tho FCR means probs not

[elder crane]

16.5 s

but

she will be delayed

due to preload torps

[elder crane]

since she only has preload torps and not torp slot +1

okay yeah the SAP gun is

[light crystal]

Put drakegun on Anchy eh??

[elder crane]

wait

nvm

150%

still due to timing

but interesting for PvE I guess

[elder crane]

I guess since not really other option

although prolly doesn't matter much

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

you won't really expect anchorage to do that much w main guns

I think

[light crystal]

But Drakegun dmg

[elder crane]

rockets

[light crystal]

MGM+1

[elder crane]

inb4

[light crystal]

NJ buffs

[elder crane]

does NJ even buff vanguard damage?

was just survivability no?

[light crystal]

FP?

[elder crane]

FP to BB/C/V only iirc?

[uncut agate]

just 5% dmg reduction

[light crystal]

nvm

BB's only

[elder crane]

yep is FP buff only for BB/C
which is why we said it was useless for team buff currently

anyways where was I

honestly

rocket fighters looks more interesting

lol

[light crystal]

For USN?

[elder crane]

for PvP

[light crystal]

Cuz mods against Light?

[elder crane]

also accuracy things, presumably

ah, 2 aimed torps

mmmmmmmmmm

yeah sounds sketchy

rockets seem more interesting to me

[light crystal]

Just like Richy over NJ

[candid sluice]

If it’s like the rockets of ticon it could be great

[elder crane]

btw
on the planes

C6N Saiun = UR AP things
J5N Tenrai = 362x2 aimed

so yeah is confirmed UR is normal fighter pretty much but has 3 bombs instead
"AP bombs" but idk if that really changes things

honestly sounds not as good as normal bomb for PvP

[candid sluice]

I haven’t read datamine yet so can’t say anything rn

[elder crane]

but it is three bombs

okay 24% for armor break

[candid sluice]

Soo apcuda

[elder crane]

is more reasonable than AP cuda at least since 3 bombs gives decent chance

[light crystal]

Oh, so rainbow Fighter not converging torps? thats gae

[dull hollow]

wait so

[elder crane]

probably

[dull hollow]

there is no Rainbow fighter

with TB?

wtf

rused

it's not a rainbow fighter

it's a rainbow DB

[elder crane]

rainbow fighter with 3 AP bombs
gold fighter with two aimed torps
gold fighter with 4 rockets

is DB?

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

at least that's what the translator guy is saying

[elder crane]

ah

extra RIP then

wtf

[light crystal]

Rockets sound more like fun ngl

[elder crane]

they make a UR plane only good for shit slots lmao

bombs look worse than XSB3C for dmg as usual

[covert swallow]

yea it's a bomber

[dull hollow]

the damage beats sbcx23sdadgolden

[elder crane]

it does?

[dull hollow]

yuh the base numbers on the 800 bombs

apprentlyu cracked or something

[elder crane]

510 base

wut

are those nukes

that's more alpha than 2k bombs

wtf

[dull hollow]

i mean

the 457

was cracked

so

not too surprised

is still DB ai tho

unless these bombs are smart

like how PR3 Champy gun

is much better than normal AP

[elder crane]

AP bomb have tighter spread iirc?

but 800 lb means radius probably meh

[dull hollow]

probs reduced radius tho

inb4 it's

Georgia barragebombs

[elder crane]

hmm

APcuda normal AoE and spread

idk then

[flint python]

if only they make it intercept

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733468317150347366/862248189166616596/speepeKEKW.gif

[light crystal]

Either way, all 3 Fighters make USN ships much better now, speically those that have high Eff/Slot #'s on Fighter Slot

[elder crane]

well the crash is probably shit as usual

although

who knoooooows

[elder crane]

is not fighter

[dull hollow]

hmm

[candid sluice]

Not hms plane

[dull hollow]

macro barrage length

looks pretty funny

[light crystal]

🤔

[dull hollow]

and it all hits the opposing laner...

except.....

too bad there's no med armor

[elder crane]

UR plane is DB with like 50% more bomb dmg than helldiver

[dull hollow]

backliner in this meta

[elder crane]

if I'm reading it right

[dull hollow]

so

useless

[elder crane]

errr

[candid sluice]

Does it have apcuda properties

That could be busted

[elder crane]

all nonNano CV used are medium

[elder crane]

yes

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

24% armor break

[candid sluice]

That’s cracked

[dull hollow]

oh wait

aquila killer

[candid sluice]

Holy shit

[elder crane]

on 3 bombs per plane

[dull hollow]

[candid sluice]

Armor break vg instant win

[elder crane]

SAP gun? reload too slow for that

[dull hollow]

no i meant

[light crystal]

Ok, so 2 gold Fighters, one with aimed torps and one with Rockets, and 1 UR DB?

[elder crane]

apparently yep

[dull hollow]

all of this is gonna be shoved onto aquila

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

her barrage is like a hentai MC version of Wash barrage

[elder crane]

is it tight enough though

[candid sluice]

Damn Aquila is getting more busted

[dull hollow]

dunno

[light crystal]

Tbf

[dull hollow]

will have to see

[elder crane]

although

4x170 dmg

[light crystal]

AQL would have have gotten 2 airstrikes by the time a regular CV gets the one out lol

[elder crane]

is pretty solid already

but

Aql still gets off preload

and idk about marco polo otherwise

[dull hollow]

u would have to run

i think 457

[elder crane]

she doesn't have the full package of shit that makes NJ busted

[dull hollow]

aquila launches hella fast

[elder crane]

also is RNG proc

[dull hollow]

im gonna try her

sounds hilarious

[elder crane]

I think 457 maybe even too slow even with HPFCR

[dull hollow]

nah

[elder crane]

since the barrage takes forever

[dull hollow]

aquila is not that fast

o

true

[light crystal]

I think MP is solid

[dull hollow]

the actual cumming length

LOL

[light crystal]

Might replace over VV

[dull hollow]

MP barrage

[elder crane]

hmmmm

[dull hollow]

is

all barrage are tight

last 3 shots are a bit spread

[elder crane]

I guess with Anchorage doing anchorage things

[dull hollow]

so she lands 10 shots instead of 12

realstically

[elder crane]

preload less valuable now

I'm personally more interested in pure USN comp now

[dull hollow]

aquila not getting a 2nd strike off is still huge

[elder crane]

the problem w that is

RNG

[dull hollow]

i mean

nj barrage is 100%

[elder crane]

75% proc

[dull hollow]

but her targeting is

so same shit

to me

whereas marco always

goes in 1 direction

[elder crane]

NJ isn't dead weight otherwise though

[light crystal]

NJ is 100%, and has one on 12s as well

[elder crane]

she is still stupidly tanky with USN survivability buff and her guns hit anything she does hit hard

and that too

extra barrage

[dull hollow]

nj is a diff weightclass

marco is filling my role of "hey can i bukake the opposing laner"

[elder crane]

MP is actually going to be 1-trick pony for the most part

[dull hollow]

and for that role i think i want to run her just for that

it's like monarch

[elder crane]

is possibly better than VV still though

[dull hollow]

inb4 worse than monarch

[light crystal]

🍆

Yeah, cuz she also gives VG Torp shields

[elder crane]

although actually

I missed the 20% dred

hmmmmmm

[light crystal]

And like, Anchorage can stop torps now as well

[elder crane]

okay I take that back

maaaaybe

[light crystal]

See

[elder crane]

barrage is good if it proc
with boosted eff her guns aren't that bad
and with 20% dred she's NJ levels vs not-planes, I think

[dull hollow]

MP is also a 155 effshooter

[light crystal]

Staying power, gives VG torp shields, has a strong barrage

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

is another FdG+ I guess but this time not as +

hmmmm

[light crystal]

Ok, thats that then, imma focus Anchorage first, then MP

[elder crane]

both DR are just

is pretty funny

[light crystal]

Does anyone know wut nations can grind MP?

First Italian

PR

🤔

[dull hollow]

probs usn like how champy was

or maybe axis nations

coz champy was frnech

and french was allies

[radiant brook]

Probably KMS or HMS

[candid sluice]

Italy and kms my guess

[dull hollow]

some cn bros saying anchorage

is not preload

so

[candid sluice]

Would be pain if only Italian ships

No preload torps?

[dull hollow]

guess we will see

in

12 hour

or w.e

whos torps are they at this point

[light crystal]

KMS and HMS heh

🤔

Cuz I dont have another Pasta bote I want to lv to grind MP with

[covert swallow]

鱼雷预装填+1 = torp preload +1

for anchorage

she gets that at what, dev10?

[radiant brook]

Not bad tbh

Torp+1 usually means no MGM+1

[covert swallow]

she also has mgm+1

in her dev5 area, 主炮底座+1 = main gun base +1

[radiant brook]

Yeah I know

What I meant is: that's really great, because torp +1 usually means no MGM+1 but she has both

[covert swallow]

ooh, yea.

[dull hollow]

isnt drake like that too tho

[radiant brook]

The only MGM+1 with torp preload was drake and she's DR

Yeah but it's drake

She is rainbow

[covert swallow]

[dull hollow]

other dataminer

claiming dim is wrong

and big fluffy anchorage

no preload

who's torp is it anyway

find out next episode

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/458485823587876877/862585230689566760/unknown.png?width=961&height=39

big fluffy is bottom i think

the preload text

no there

[covert swallow]

60bp cost

also hsfcr in pr4

[elder crane]

ah

MP is 170x9 only

[elder crane]

the x3 extra was cause the guy messed up

and also made her do cross-fleet barrage

is cool tho that cross-fleet barrage is actually good

[dull hollow]

o

ok that's worse than monarch then i think

ah wlel

[dull hollow]

hms

why did i have to get stuck

on 37/50 PR2 gun

cant make 3 of them

imagine the QoL

in opsi

never change guns

[candid sluice]

Alright time to read datamine

[dull hollow]

time to

build 3 AP bombers

and run Haku as full DB

inb4 that's actually the new cv meta

erryone DB

[light crystal]

Wait, Anchorage has 2 sets of MAin gun and Torps? I guess it makes sense

Because they didn't give her a busted barrage they have for several of the later CA torp botes

115% Eff as well

[elder crane]

her torps are there to proc skill 2

[dull hollow]

big fluffy supremacy

[elder crane]

is probably bottom 5 on actual effectiveness so you just take the shitty torps as needed to time things out

[dull hollow]

haku LUL

bullied by shinano

at least until we build 3 rainbow planes

[elder crane]

if the new DB is broken
then you don't run IJN probably

[dull hollow]

so i guess the reports of 2 rainbow gear were false

[elder crane]

[dull hollow]

well haku is the only DB carry rn

in ijn

[light crystal]

So no rainbow Mags then?

[elder crane]

yeah but then
you just don't run IJN
tbf for 1 copy only she's the only 4 slot DB

[dull hollow]

u know what's sad

we're gonna have

[elder crane]

if you run the shitty triples you can get her down to 14/17 s torpedo reload

[dull hollow]

8 wyverns

before

any of us get a single DB pr 4

[elder crane]

that's just you

smh

imma get mine in half a yr

[dull hollow]

ok fine 6 wyverns then

[candid sluice]

So no preload on anchovy?

[dull hollow]

i already have 3

so in 6 months

i will have another 3

[light crystal]

Is there a reason u want to time for that specifically? NJ barrage u mean?

[covert swallow]

the datamine I'm reading says anchorage has preload torp, but iriya is saying some CN players say she doesn't

[elder crane]

not sure how it works out tbh but it's an option
her torps are so 🚮 you just consider s2 timings only really

[covert swallow]

so idk

[candid sluice]

Ok but percival

[light crystal]

But like

[candid sluice]

Seems bonkers

[dull hollow]

what makes u say that

perci getting panned

[light crystal]

If u dont need to time it to be too low, might as well put torps that do some dmg then

[candid sluice]

2/3/3 140 120 140 freeze and armor pierce

[dull hollow]

her freeze

is not true freeze

the cn wording more precisely states

it's a 2.5 growing slow

leading to a 1s freeze

[elder crane]

as you mention NJ is around then so all the good torps are already out

[dull hollow]

and then they move again

[elder crane]

since at best 19 s

oh lmao

[candid sluice]

Ya with that u can time with bb main guns

[light crystal]

Well, gonna have to test it I guess then

[candid sluice]

With avgas she might be able to hit too in that window

[dull hollow]

it was already a pita to have 4mi keep up with a slow on launch

[candid sluice]

Wait what’s her rld

[elder crane]

that's really slow and also is only 75%

[light crystal]

If it's worthwhile to get proc asap to cover for NJ, then u use shitty fast reload torps, but if u dont really need to go that fast reload, might as well put more conventional torps that have dmg then

[dull hollow]

i mean 4mi is at 80%

so

[candid sluice]

Hm yeah maybe airstrike too slow

[dull hollow]

they both suffer in that regard

[elder crane]

there's no conventional torps that load in under 19 s

even quad 533

[candid sluice]

What abt agir

Any potential there

[dull hollow]

agir is just

[elder crane]

4mi guaranteed first strike

[dull hollow]

"azumama uve been fired go away"

[flint python]

heavy armor default

[light crystal]

How about Triple Mags?

[flint python]

kekw

[dull hollow]

azumama is out of a job now

[elder crane]

that's already garbage torps

[candid sluice]

Fastest torps are iris torps but they ass

[light crystal]

Well, better than nothing lol

[dull hollow]

agir has

a 60% slow

[candid sluice]

But anchovy torps are already ass

[dull hollow]

on torp hit

this to me is what kills august

[elder crane]

is slightly above avg btw due to reload buff
120 base is

[dull hollow]

because in cv comp

[candid sluice]

Also ew why does agir have torps over secondary

[dull hollow]

ark + agir

[candid sluice]

That’s so gross

[dull hollow]

is gonna be enough

to standstill ppl

[light crystal]

Like yo momma

[dull hollow]

and you would never trade ark's damage

[elder crane]

when your torps are 215 stat 115% eff
yeah lolno
is bottom 5 on torp dmg mods pretty sure

[candid sluice]

Damn u got me

[dull hollow]

august cannot equip torps

august stuck in a weird spot

her slow cant support BB

[candid sluice]

So u just gonna use anchovy’s torp slot to time with things then

[elder crane]

well

[candid sluice]

Since the dmg is gonna be trash either way

[elder crane]

technically

if you strasser her

[dull hollow]

and for CV ark is better

[elder crane]

august can

but then

[dull hollow]

yeah but now you're running strasser and august

[elder crane]

you're running strasser

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

yeah

lol

[candid sluice]

Ok real question

[light crystal]

But even those torps probs do more dmg than secondaries would anyway, no?

[candid sluice]

Haku in pvp or nah

[elder crane]

anyways Ark+Agir if you need slow yep

nah

[dull hollow]

haku is already suffering in pve

[elder crane]

100% nah

[dull hollow]

she will have no role in pvp

[candid sluice]

That seems like garbage torp dmg

[dull hollow]

at least, until we have

more rainbow DB built

the rainbow DB is crackd btw

[elder crane]

is actually no

[candid sluice]

Wait what’s wrong with haku in pve

[dull hollow]

her slots are stupid

her barrage doesnst make up for it

she's a shinano stunted

with a focus on DB

[candid sluice]

Yikes

[dull hollow]

instead of torps

like

once we get

more rainbow DB

she can maybe make a splash

assuming the rainbow DB accuracy

can keep up with its damage

[candid sluice]

Oh I haven’t checked equip stats yet lol

[dull hollow]

it's a 510 * 3 damage bomber

[elder crane]

DD gun have like over 2x the base DpS of torps and also much better hitrate

[candid sluice]

So which ship u guys going for first

[elder crane]

yeah it's like 50% more dmg on paper than helldiver

which is stupid

[dull hollow]

torps have high alpha which depending on wave timing is actaully usefull

[candid sluice]

Secondary gun also gives +35 fp

[dull hollow]

even garbage torps alpha can dunk out shitty trash mobs

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

in a 3 ship front situation

i like having torps

as long as someone is holding DD guns at least

or 2 cl gun presence

torps can also clean up ppl hiding behind shields

[elder crane]

they only have high enough alpha with stupidly high torp stat
typical torpship have 500+ torp stat base
highest vanguard FP is like 300?

[dull hollow]

fk u Kongou

nah i mean like

[light crystal]

Well, she still has shitty ghostgun secs, so its all not that bad

[dull hollow]

even garbage torp alpha

is like

1k-1.5k

per torp

which when trash clearing

is not inconsequtianl

[elder crane]

anchorage is much lower

is like 500 lol

maybe lower

lemme check

[candid sluice]

Yeah so just use that slot to time her smoke or whatever

Iris torps

[dull hollow]

no way she's worse than pamiat lol

my pamiat was hitting 900k

[elder crane]

yeah is literally like 500 dmg per torp

[dull hollow]

900*

k LMAO

[elder crane]

900 if max level advantage

[light crystal]

I still think u dont need to time that low tbh

[candid sluice]

And heavy cruiser

[elder crane]

[dull hollow]

unless im just blind and i misread the torps

pretty sure

it's pamiat's torps

coz she has the lowest reload

in my front

im leveling pamiat kirov talin

so she's launching last

[elder crane]

btw

[dull hollow]

and i see her hit the Kongou in 12-4

for 980 damage

[elder crane]

pamiat torps are better

pretty sure

[dull hollow]

she has

[elder crane]

or at least on par

[dull hollow]

162 torp stat

162

[elder crane]

125% eff though

[dull hollow]

anchorage is like 115 215

so she's gonna be better than pamiat

so based off pam numbers at least vs 12-4

that's a 1.1k alpha which

is not entirely inconsequential for me

[elder crane]

anchorage has 8% more torp dmg LMAO

[dull hollow]

esp since in a 3 front layout

the extra dd guns wouldnt amount to much just due to gun saturation

[elder crane]

(100+215+45)/ (100+162+45)*1.15/1.25

[dull hollow]

unless ur running

3 CA front

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

all torpers lmao

[elder crane]

you did your maff wrong

torp dmg scales with torp stat +100

and

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

you have +45 torp stat from gold torp

pamiat is 8% less torp dmg
also ch 12 safe is like lv 105 enemies

so you have a lot of adv probably

[dull hollow]

113

lul

[elder crane]

113-10

for safe

safe mode reduces enemy level by the original danger level in all calculations

[dull hollow]

12-4 is where the alpha matters the most tbh at least for me

but u only do 12-4 for leveling

then again any map where that level of torp alpha matters is almost always a leveling map so the useful is limited in life

[elder crane]

in any case having 500 torp alpha is

wooooow

such big loss

[candid sluice]

So just run garbage fast torps

[elder crane]

100% for PvE
for PvP depends on timing you want to hit but probably still so yep

[dull hollow]

well the other point is running garbage torps

still gives u some amount of alpha anyway

[candid sluice]

Another torp heavy cruiser becoming a meme

Ibuki still carries their name

[dull hollow]

like this is actually

pretty fucking high

[candid sluice]

What I’ve been saying bruh

[dull hollow]

it ties with rainbow mags

[candid sluice]

Iris torps

[dull hollow]

for dps

LMAO

[candid sluice]

Just speed meme torp

[dull hollow]

but

there's no real point in shoving low speed by default

if u want to big esports

u calculate when ur backline delivers their strikes

because that will usher in the next wave

and u decide if u want to smoke before or after

that point

[candid sluice]

Are u gonna finally do events now