pvp

[dull hollow]

that sets torp speed to 0

[timid current]

would actually only be useful in pvp because of the random enemy movement

[dull hollow]

well pve enemies go right to left

so maybe there's a meme use for it

but this game has plenty of pvp oriented stuff

black dildos and junny

have little practical use in pve

[candid sluice]

Text walls

[lime folio]

Is there any good counter to italian ships that can be used with Nagato fleet?

My Aquila is still not 120 and this shit is frustrating to face

[candid sluice]

Suzutsuki helps

[lime folio]

That did the trick after 3 tries, thanks

[radiant brook]

Time to accept the reality that nagato won't save IJN from the mafia anymore

Hail Aquila

[lime folio]

Well I just didn't have time to level up my italian ships on release so now I'm going full grind for next weeks

I wanna fuck around with Aquila NJ Drake

Tired of IJN meta myself

[radiant brook]

Fair enough

[flint sun]

BreadNanoda, jesus-nasaurus rex, Luigi di Savoia Duca Degli Abruzzi are my vanguard, viridescent venetto. Aquila favonia and Poledancer are my backline... I dont have any PR ships yet, i joined during heinrich event; any potentially better ships come to mind for PVP? Me nab

[radiant brook]

Only Seattle is an objectively better option in that comp

Vanguard should be manjuu Juneau/Luigi/Seattle

[flint sun]

Damburger

Guess i need to find some seattle bps

I was always avoiding her before because I didnt know she was good

Alos her character looked kinda weird

[radiant brook]

She is pretty much the best off tank in the game

The character thing can be bypassed by buying a skin

Now fork over your money to the scam cat

[flint sun]

@hollow valve do you even use a mobbin fleet for OpSi 😭

[hollow valve]

i do

[flint sun]

Wrong chat my bad

Well you told me to use All BB and All CV instead of my current one

Or suggested*

[hollow valve]

yeh

because boss will have weakness

[candid sluice]

Offtopic mods pls ban

[dull hollow]

Prison

[flint sun]

UnU

[dull hollow]

Funny meme is funny

[flint sun]

How the hell do you even get infependence

[delicate owl]

she's in core data shop right now

[flint sun]

Yaaas

But I realized I have nowhere to put her

[crude mortar]

[tawny salmon]

Uss cv fleet

[worthy plank]

man i wish i cared enough to level juneau

[tawny salmon]

Nah its fine

Pvp isnt the only content in the game

Also juneau is on other content

[hot creek]

I wouldn't mind having Juneau for Helena Meta

[candid sluice]

Juneau takes no effort to lvl lol

12-4 easy speedrun to 120

[worthy plank]

im already leveling 3 vanguards and they all work on pvp frick you juneau

[leaden sky]

well not using juneau is an option, so yea u can just not bother with her

[slender atlas]

How to win this fleet except mirror team?

[tawny salmon]

3 bb works out for me

Nj vv warkai

Juneau duca mainz is my vg

[slender atlas]

Snipe who 1st?

[candid sluice]

A full French team

[tawny salmon]

Snipe nj

[light crystal]

She's Flagship

[tawny salmon]

Snipe vv

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[slender atlas]

Flagship can be snipe, becoz aquila dêtct

[light crystal]

Too bad the main DPS source is NJ anyway

[candid sluice]

Use new meta to beat the vg then wipe backline

[tawny salmon]

Let your nj snipe their nj

Works well with me

[slender atlas]

What gun for nj?

[candid sluice]

Not really your decision on who she’s sniping

[light crystal]

I hear HE is great

[slender atlas]

Which new meta

[candid sluice]

Burger meta

[covert swallow]

indep meta

[tawny salmon]

Just reset

[covert swallow]

resetting

[tawny salmon]

Resetting is

[slender atlas]

So sad old teamcan beat this even with 2 wyverrn

[candid sluice]

If u wanna go reset fiesta go use suzut and pray everything whiffs and your plane crash focuses down NJ

[light crystal]

Use Helmet for Stonks.

[candid sluice]

That’s a better plan then resetting 99 times for NJ to get perfect picks

Which won’t even guarantee a win either

[tawny salmon]

Dunno but i won against that same fleet comp 5 times in a row

No resets too

[light crystal]

You in Washington too?

[tawny salmon]

Lexi but i fought similar to that one

[candid sluice]

That ain’t a full French fleet

[slender atlas]

Finally it work. @@need snipe vv 1st

[light crystal]

That particularly one might not be well optimized, based on Power differences, but hard to know

[tawny salmon]

Yuckykaze

[slender atlas]

Juneaundie so fasst, i think she should equip immotal now

I dont have other option to replace yuki

[upper cove]

this dude's fleet is specifically hell cause he knows what he's doing
I used NJ/percy/warkai
warkai snipes AQ
it wasn't perfect but that's just his gear being so good

[tawny salmon]

Nah i just hate yuki no need to replace yet

[light crystal]

How many attempts did it take u btw?

[slender atlas]

4

I try snipe nj but not work

[light crystal]

Noice

[slender atlas]

Look good nơ. Hehe

[upper cove]

you couldn't snipe NJ even if she was on the side
absolute chunk

[slender atlas]

I can, but vv will hit my war

[radiant brook]

PvP matches are unwinnable without NJ

[upper cove]

VV just shoots wherever

and you're still not preventing NJ from getting her first shot

you'd need an extra stupid setup to get that

[radiant brook]

So not having NJ and Aquila just completely stops you from t100 PvP?

[light crystal]

Not really, it seems

[upper cove]

no wtf

[slender atlas]

It has aproblem now, my bb cant hit aquila after kill 2 bb

[upper cove]

percy

[light crystal]

Someone else also was fighting Kaine with this and achieved about 50% WR as well

After testing alot

[upper cove]

granted beating aquila/NJ without using meta compared to beating old metas without using the meta is significantly worse

[radiant brook]

Jesus Christ

Guess PvP is even more inaccessible for players who missed these events

Although you have to be really unprepared to be unable to get NJ

[light crystal]

Just go for top 500+, get ur Merits, and bounce

[radiant brook]

Guess I lucked out for having NJ/Aquila

[tawny salmon]

PvP is antizoomer content

[radiant brook]

Just like any gacha game with heavy PvP focus

Or PvP heavy mmo

[candid sluice]

I don’t have this char = I cannot do well

[slender atlas]

Is aquila better than percy?

[candid sluice]

Miles better

[radiant brook]

Also she gets buffs from VV

[tawny salmon]

In what context

[radiant brook]

Perseus dosen't

[slender atlas]

Lol, ofc pvp

[candid sluice]

Percy takes a poo then proceeds to do fuckall for the rest of the battle

Aquila u can read her skills and tell me if she’s good or not

[light crystal]

Is she good?

[candid sluice]

Dunno Man U tell me

[light crystal]

You asking an EN player to read?!

[stable dawn]

[north vine]

[radiant brook]

[radiant brook]

Will an IJN Aquila instantly make IJN meta again?

Or NJ+mafia will still eat them alive?

[spark nest]

Maybe someone in #baseless-speculations has the answer

[trail temple]

Just like torpmeme, Leon has now become obsessed with preload CVs

[flint sun]

Filler cv fleet has arks and a formi

[tawny salmon]

will leon get a veneto before azur lane shutdown

[elder crane]

Inb4 IJN CV preload pair
Although NJ is still probably at minimum competitive vs that

[fast ember]

any better plane for Aquila than the Helldiver?

[buoyant raptor]

I love when Warkai and NJ both decide to nuke some poor BB at 10s

[sour oasis]

NJ is like torpedo cancer. It is so random.

[north vine]

xsb3c

[ashen lion]

Am i stalling to next seasson or not ? Who the highest point on sandy server ?

[hot creek]

nah, you barely made it rofl. congrats on your first r1.

[candid sluice]

Ggs

[hot creek]

I had two clients load the leaderboards within 2 seconds of each other around 5 seconds before reset and one of them was different. Really last second there.

[karmic lake]

[jovial sedge]

Hah

I did it too

Samdy btw

Can now ignore pvp as always for the past year

[candid sluice]

[jovial sedge]

NJ is bae

[ashen lion]

How many points does DoomG26 have?

That guy at rank 6

[hot creek]

2587

[ashen lion]

Lmao, yeah its my first rank 1. Btw..
Can you send me a potrait screenshoot of the top 100 PVP ?
you can DM me on DC, :HelenaPlease:

[candid sluice]

There’s a convenient spreadsheet that documents top100 eos

[sullen sierra]

if you hold the last 5 exercises of the season, do they carry over to next season?

[jovial sedge]

No

[sullen sierra]

oh okay, so when reset happens, everyone only has 5 to work with, no one has 10?

[candid sluice]

Yep

[sullen sierra]

thanks, good to know

[distant token]

@elder crane rolled you do you have any plans to move?

[candid sluice]

[flint sun]

I just fought one with FDG, sandy, Duca, Aquila, NJ, Seattle.. I didn't stand a chance even with Juneau lmfao

[ashen lion]

Where should i get that file ?

[mint hornet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r_knLIci2XthgJ1QO0Iv-3MLiQFzzPXU6a6TcMnZKAE/edit#gid=0

[elder crane]

Nope, not this early season
Although I'll be going to 5/10 in 3-4 hours

[distant token]

dw i got someone else

[crude jetty]

so pasta is meta

I missed the full event ;-;

I have nj tho

what other ships do sync with her?

or do I stay nagato shinano hiryuu?

[karmic forum]

Indep/NJ/Ticonderoga

[elder crane]

Juneau (something) Birmingham

Although if no Birmingham, mmm
Idk what's the best commonly available cleve, Monty?

Maybe Columbia?

[crude mortar]

@karmic forum are you spreading

why you do this

[sour oasis]

That sheet just updated with last season's results this week I think?

[royal oyster]

the one that says Aggregate has more up to date images

[rich escarp]

Guys I found a bug when the match is down to 2 carriers and one of them is enterprise her proc chance for lucky e jumps to 100% we really should report and fix this bug

[candid sluice]

[north vine]

[trail temple]

I thought everyone enjoyed the adrenaline rush of Enty Russian Roulette

[light crystal]

[ebon kraken]

[fast dune]

Hi, I don't keep up with current meta fleet and I met this one, I tried stalling fleet and preload french fleet but still they don't work, any more comps to counter other than mirror?

[karmic forum]

welcome to nj meta

[trail temple]

nj mafia, the fight where you need to pay attention so you don't miss your vg being blown up but you ended up staring at NJ's butt the whole time

No wonder people dropped matches

[light crystal]

[fast dune]

It was NJ + Luigi di Savoia Duca degli Abruzzi , my vgs sank before I had the chance to blink

even manjuu juneau doesn't last long

[uncut agate]

Suzutsuki helps

[candid sluice]

Mafia but use seattle over noshi

[fast dune]

Manjuu juneau+Suzutsuki+ Ykkz still died instantly

[lapis bolt]

sorry let me know if you need me to change comp to something else

[dull hollow]

Independence memers wwa

[lapis bolt]

Just ping me if you need me to change the fleet out

Not being sarcastic, but that fleet kinda asshole n such, so if you're done trying to bash your head into it and need a way out, just know that I am here and I am willing to change my fleet out so you'll have an easier time @fast dune

[fast dune]

Can you not keep pinging for this? I am asking for solution I cannot think of yet not begging for 1 win here

[covert swallow]

He was just being nice

[lapis bolt]

you want the solution without mirroring?

Try something that can survive the first wave without sinking, I recommend something that can continue to output damage after tanking the first hit.

As long as you can trigger and survive to sink my Juneau, the comp should go down extremely easily, since the idea is to sustain and drop a lot of damage on the first 5 seconds of battle.

Some people would recommend you to go for stuff like VV+Swordfish to slow the comp down, then attempt to torpnuke it in return, but personally, the idea is to try to get rid of the Juneau, then last the 7 seconds from emergency repair. If the comp can't move, the torps kinda becomes moot, just so you know.

Also, I'm using quint on my Albruh, so I have no idea if you can cheap it out and just use Littorio shields to scam your way through the first wave

But it could be a solution, just saying, since the comp is extremely torp heavy

Littorio shields block 2 torps each shield, and you spawn with 2 shields, so you'll block 4/5 of Albruhzzi's torp, which basically screws with the starting wave

[covert swallow]

littorio meta

[candid sluice]

Is this new meta?

[lapis bolt]

By far, no

I'm just playing around with what is available, but I am sure someone can find something more cancerous down the road

[light crystal]

The meta is stall VG, so NJ/AQL can farm the other fleet, or full DPS torp VG. Full DPS torp is technically weaker tho, cuz after they blow their load, they become easy targets to kill, and that gives their NJ less time to farm more dmg

[leaden sky]

ye.. i prefer playin against torper VG, rather than those stall VG

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-new-jersey-new-jersey-azur-lane-seseren-drooling-gif-21744119

[candid sluice]

Nono littorio is new meta

[radiant brook]

Beating mafia comp without mirror ships is much, much harder than IJN stall without mirror

Missing those 4 = get fucked

[flint sun]

ykk > noshiro with duca and juju?

Also,
Magnetic in PVP = Luigi di Savoia Duca Degli Abruzzi
Normal in PVP = Luigeez di Savoia Dookie d'ugli abruhzzi?

[dusky moss]

Can anyone help me setup a beginner pvp team? I can post the ships I have if I need to

[flint sun]

Everyone's just gonna say
"iF YouRe BEgiNNEr JuSt GriND pVp FoR eXP. EvEN IF yoU LOse It WILl StilL bE A GooD SouRCE, as iT'S FreE"

or something like that

[dusky moss]

Okay well let’s pretend everyone didn’t say that

And I’ll post my ships. And maybe someone will actually help lol

https://imgur.com/gallery/elEYFYb

So those are my ships

Any help other than what was said above would be very helpful

[final aurora]

its not wrong

[dusky moss]

It’s not helpful either tho

[flint sun]

Yukikaze, use her in PVP

hiryuu, nagato I think

[covert swallow]

if you don't mind using a ship that's only really useful in pvp, I'd suggest farming for juneau and leveling her

she's a blue ship, so easy to get

[leaden sky]

your dock full of unleveled ships, so best way is to just use any ship to level them tbh

with enty backline

[flint sun]

I told you they were gonna say thissss

[leaden sky]

even illustrious

[covert swallow]

they're not really wrong though

even if he had 6 meta ships, he'd lose to a team of level 120 non meta ships

levels important

[leaden sky]

^

[dusky moss]

Meh

Guess I’ll just slap whatever and say f it

[flint sun]

use yuki at least

xD

[leaden sky]

yukikaze helps ur vg survive better ig

[flint sun]

When I was new to PVP I still liked to wipe the floor with people at my level tho

[leaden sky]

and hope enty procs and kills the rest

[covert swallow]

also make sure you get noshiro from next events event shop

[flint sun]

Now I wipe the floor with full oathed lv120 fleets with my strongest tank being lv 108

hmm

Know Sheep Row

her or ykk in Pee vee pee?

[uncut agate]

Noshiro is better for PvP ig

[flint sun]

Luigi di Savoia Duca Degli Abruzzi, Juneau and Noshiro

[uncut agate]

Yuki feels pretty useless to me, then again I have all the meta ships except Noshiro

[covert swallow]

yuki doesn't feel good to me anymore after we swapped from nagato comps

[flint sun]

I didn't even know she buffed non-cv's

[dusky moss]

So for exp gain purposes

Is it better to fight the strongest even if I know I will lose? Or fight the strongest I think I can beat?

[flint sun]

the latter

[dusky moss]

So fight the strongest I can beat

[light crystal]

Probably go for the weakest

[flint sun]

(if they're wiping the floor with you you can restart and maybe RNG will be on your side)

[dusky moss]

Does enemy strength not impact exp gain?

[flint sun]

it do, a bit

ima go look at noshiro tierlists idk wtf she does or what makes her so poggy

[dusky moss]

Not significantly tho?

[light crystal]

And level up Yukikaze and a Juneau. Warspite and Enterprise are usable as well. Might as well use Strasser as well

[covert swallow]

yea I was gonna say, you can reset battles (literally just pause and leave the battle) it won't waste your attempt or anything

[dusky moss]

That seems… like cheating

Lol

[flint sun]

not really

[covert swallow]

yep but that's pvp

[flint sun]

cuz if you won't win

you won't win

[dusky moss]

Can’t decide if that’s great or terrible

[light crystal]

Focus on a good team, MLB, level them up, try to put good gear on them, and u can reach Top 500-1k at End of Season by dodging people and picking easy fights lol

[dusky moss]

I just slotted the ones I want leveled most since that was the majority suggestion

[flint sun]

I thought bismarck was event limited

how you get her

[dusky moss]

So atm I have Laffey, Yukikaze, Helena vanguard and Enty, Warspite, Nagato main fleet

[flint sun]

good

waot

wit

[dusky moss]

From the last time they did the KMS ships event

[flint sun]

nagato is waste if she has no ijn cvs to buff

........imo

[dusky moss]

I plan to farm foxes

I also have Shou and Zui

[flint sun]

good choice, I guess use shoukaku and zuikaku if you have shou

yeah

use them

[dusky moss]

Shou and Zui are good?

[flint sun]

powerful buff in pvp

when theyre together

[light crystal]

With that lineup, I'd use: Juneau/Portland/Yukikaze, Warspite/Enterprise/Strasser. Max Limit Brake, all skills maxed, lv them to 110+, put +10 of the best gear u could use for PvP (gold Barracudas, gold fighters with 500lb bombs, helldivers, a gold Rudder on Portlnad) and ofc, Warspite Refit + a solid AP BB gun

[dusky moss]

Good to know

Do I have Juneau…?

[flint sun]

You can..C R E A T E her

[light crystal]

Juneau is super easy to get lol

Drops in most maps, u can build her, etc

[flint sun]

she drops in maps?

only after C R E A T I N G her yes?

[dusky moss]

Create?

[light crystal]

Nah, she just drops iirc

[dusky moss]

How?

[flint sun]

oh wow lmao

[candid sluice]

/wiki juneau

[coral wren]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Juneau
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Juneau/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Juneau/History
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Juneau/Gallery

Jun 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

[candid sluice]

[flint sun]

/wiki York bruh

[coral wren]

No wiki pages found.

[flint sun]

😒

[dusky moss]

Apparently I had Juneau at one point…

And I scrapped her

[light crystal]

[covert swallow]

don't worry I did the same thing, but then I farmed another pretty easily

[dusky moss]

I see

Well.. I don’t really wanna farm for her since she’s pvp exclusive and I’m just planning to semi-casual pvp atm

So I guess if I get her I get her

And I won’t worry about it for now

[candid sluice]

If you’re not going for ranks in pvp then you’re better off using the ships you already have raised and use pvp as a source of free exp/merits

[crude mortar]

ijn back from grave again

[candid sluice]

Preload ijn here we go

[radiant brook]

Knew that they won't let IJN out if the spotlight for too long

Fucking called it

[dull hollow]

Hakryur leek

2 preload strike + 1 akagi style 50% strike

But then cannot reload planes for 20s (so 40s until next launch)

[candid sluice]

Balanced

[dull hollow]

Remeber when perseus used to only have

A 60% debufd

Instead of a 90

[leaden sky]

see u guys in a year with maxed haku+agir

[candid sluice]

A year?

Cube gang rise up

[leaden sky]

pr2 2.0

do we get 2 UR gear this time, so we can get more fucked

[candid sluice]

Rainbow fighter rainbow cb gun

[elder crane]

Well I gotta use those 1k coob somehow

Hopefully I get my last 6 457 prints in next two weeks

Also RIP DRake for me
Forever like dev25 lol

[light crystal]

I think Haku is probably gonna introduce rainbow parallel TB's. Probably useless in PvP, but bis in PvE

[royal oyster]

rainbow parallel tbs. not like we have any of those

[light crystal]

I meant converging, the IJN style ones

[lime folio]

Is Vittorio needed with Aquila?

I'm trying to keep a staller like Hiryuu

[light crystal]

Ditch Hiryuu lel

Just NJ/AQL/VV

[lime folio]

(I was looking for an excuse not to grind VV to 120)

But yeah

[light crystal]

She's a good ship tho 🤔

[silent ocean]

think he is tryn to save for the pr grind in order to not waste exp

assuming the tech point req isnt high

[light crystal]

🤔

Good point I guess. Wonder how imma do Marco's grind

They've made it lax now tho, iirc. Only need to do Backline/Vanguard nation for XP req, not class as well. I was thinking on leveling up Taiho Muse for Haku regardless, so it works out either way

[solid phoenix]

Hey guys, if I only have 1 533mm aux and I'm intending to do a SN fleet with Enterprise in 3rd, should I take quadmag or still use straight quintorp anyways on the two other vanguards?

[light crystal]

🤔

If you're using Enterprise, you probably want a Stall VG. That means defensive Aux, like Boilers, Pearl, and Rudders.

[solid phoenix]

Isn't the entire purpose of SN meta to use preloads anyways, enterprise just being some sort of safety net?

[light crystal]

If you mean Duca, no. You only put Dildos on Duca if you run with other torp VG, like Naga, Noshiro, or Jintsuu.

Otherwise, you want the Vg to stall to allow the likes of NJ/VV/AQL/some other OP BB to farm dmg

[solid phoenix]

So stalling vanguard is still meta with SN?

I was under the assumption that it was an all-or-nothing type of fleet

[light crystal]

No

[solid phoenix]

Then has anyone tested Enty/VV/Aqui Juneau/Duca/Azuma? I honestly can't think of who to use in a stall vanguard outside of Juneau TBH

[light crystal]

U probably wanna replace Enty for NJ instead on that comp, and u got urself a banger of a comp for current meta

[solid phoenix]

Honestly I mainly wanna use enty because she's oathed and already 120

NJ is only 93, I got her super late due to only getting her at 200 builds

[light crystal]

U can get by with Enty then, but u should train NJ asap

[solid phoenix]

Otherwise I could pull out perseus

[light crystal]

Beast in PvP and PvE

[solid phoenix]

Yeah, she's stuck permanently in dorms right now

I intend to use the build in this screenshot, but I was wondering, why do I have to use the suisei on Enty?

[candid sluice]

You don’t have to use many of that

Suisei kai is there probs to just speed things up but then again just replace manjuu with beacon on enty and it does the same thing lol

[light crystal]

Just let the bunny do her thing.

[solid phoenix]

Which main guns do you place on VV or NJ?

[light crystal]

NJ wants 457. VV, HE is fine

[sour oasis]

I've got 9 general rainbow blueprints ... Do I go for a 2nd wyvern (that I can only +10) or do I hold out for PR4 to release a new lab build?

[solid phoenix]

Wasn't it not-recommended to use 457 simply because it's hard to +13?

I think I remember people saying to use purple 406 in the meantime until you can +13 the rainbow one

[candid sluice]

They are different ammo types

457 is used to snipe the backline

[candid sluice]

Do u need the second wyvern? If not I’d keep a hold of em

[solid phoenix]

Oh, my bad, was confusing with 406

[candid sluice]

If u mean mk7 then it’s just a straight upgrade from purple mk6

[sour oasis]

Twin 457 is still great (and fast) at +10. Though if given the choice (you weren't fielding VV) I'd give her the triple 406 (rainbow) to light up the vanguard

[solid phoenix]

So optimally, we're looking at a fleet with rainbow 406 on one, with rainbow 457 on the other?

[sour oasis]

Doesn't everyone need a 2nd wyvern?

[solid phoenix]

I think if you're not using both for PvP, then you can do without it

If you wanna keep the blueprints for future equips, just rotate the wyvern accordingly to your needs

[sour oasis]

It's the top tryhard defenses (fully oathed NJ-VV-Aquila) I think I need more wyverns, but I'm not sure if there's a point if it's just +10.

[solid phoenix]

I was talking about updating my PvP fleet to NJ/Aqui/VV, and that fleet only makes use of one wyvern

Even with perseus instead of NJ, she doesn't really need it

The only case where you do seem to need it is Aqui/VV/Enty

But from a personal standpoint, I'd say go for your second wyvern, it's a hassle to think that much long-term

[covert swallow]

I'd say to wait for pr4 since it's not that far away anyways

and see if they add anything new to gear lab

[candid sluice]

Mafia doesn’t and new meta doesn’t either

Honestly if they’re gonna add anything to gear lab it’ll probably be aa or mg

[sour oasis]

Isn't mafia the latest meta?

[dull hollow]

surprised they didnt give nj stacked acc

considering the iowa classes were prized for their FCR systems

[light crystal]

Just put HPFCR on her, problem solved

[radiant brook]

Balance reasons I suppose

And these are the same ppl who think that giving Nagato a busted buff is balanced, even though it makes other IJN flag turn into "not Nagato, don't use"

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

[rustic ridge]

can anyone update https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=1941180880?

[radiant brook]

The one who owns that document is gone

[rustic ridge]

😢

[light crystal]

That shit is very outdated it seems

[candid sluice]

Consider kaines guide instead

[rustic ridge]

Damn, daxam's wall of text is there too 😄

How time flies

[trail temple]

Doesn't help that we're going through a couple of meta shifts in quick succession

[crude mortar]

inb4 nagato hakuryu shinano

[candid sluice]

Nano haku launch at 10sec here we go

[radiant brook]

It would be 6 seasons before we start seeing dev30 haku

[candid sluice]

Not if I have anything to say abt it

[ebon kraken]

[swift crown]

I'm new to PvP how much do I need to change

[candid sluice]

Portland and laffey are the most questionable

[stable dawn]

JB

[swift crown]

I'd change Portland but atm I don't have any other viable tank available

VGs

still busy getting San Fran up

[candid sluice]

Hmm yeah not many options

Sandy can do well tho

[slender atlas]

Gun for nj pvp?

[candid sluice]

Shoot vanguard? Mk7 shoot backline? 457

[cursive surge]

What you think of this pvp team? Jan goiing to get 3x buff from nj from the DD and from duca

[candid sluice]

Looks very solid ya

[elder crane]

aside from levels ofc, which means you might as well slap in a bunch of 120s in vanguard for now (except maybe Juneau+Manjuu is fine)
I don't see why you'd bring percy rather than VV here, or if no VV, why you'd bring Duca here

Percy in general is a bit sketch for this team
although maybe if you swap Potter/Duca to like Sandy Seattle or something it could be nice? for keeping stealth
I'd still rather take an Essex or Enty or Indep with a high-USN team though

[candid sluice]

I think the idea of percy Aquila is to dump preload airstrikes at vg with potter buffing em

But ya Percy is sketch

[cursive surge]

Potter buffs my CVs juneau receive 3 buffs from NJ 5% dmg resist from potter and from duca more dmg resist duca receive a buff from potter and im using the medal on perseus who gives more extra dmg on cvs

And my duca sometimes can get the mvp

[light crystal]

Portland is a good early tank, tf u mean lol

[dull hollow]

reading tierlists in 2021

tierlists are useless for their "intended" purpose (letting ppl know what to use/invest)

it's just a spitting contest between all the washed up vets who want to argue over them

[winged holly]

I'm never sure if I forgot a fight or not

I'm at 664 and number 1 is at 688, is that normal if I don't hard sandbag atm

[elder crane]

here's the problem
she's at max level disadvantage
this means she takes +50% dmg, -2.5% evasion rate for another about +5% dmg taken on average, and has something like almost 20% less PvP HP multiplier on top of lowered base stats - in total, something like 40% the survivability she would have at lv 120 (half the eHP considering negative damage reductions and worse evasion rate or AA)

the only way she'll not instantly evaporate vs anything that actually hits her is if you use manjuu

but then potter runs into the exact same issue

so it's really one or the other

once you run up against the fleets that are actually good, Percy+Aquila+Potter is nowhere near enough to wipe a semi-survivability-focused vanguard (Heck, Percy+Aquila+Sirius+Aurora can't even kill NJ-Juneau-Seattle vanguards period...) - NJ/Aquila will probably carry you to a nonzero winrate regardless, but it's far from ideal

same kinda thing for Duca btw, though not as bad for her
she's probably getting inflated damage numbers from trashing on bad teams, but lv 111 esp without any survivability aux will be quite fragile
although since already lv 111, she's a reasonable option if you don't really have anything particularly worth using at lv120 since she's really good

[light crystal]

457, if you have it.

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458485823587876877/857343346879758366/unknown.png

howtf u get 45k damage

from 1 airstrike

[light crystal]

U using Skypirate/Tigercat?

[elder crane]

is usual wyvern things if you maintain stealth and they have planes to shoot at

[elder crane]

Skypirate straight worse than wyvern even on indep in all stats save cheaper to +13

[light crystal]

Well, I was wondering wut he was using

[elder crane]

skypirate here is probably 35k dmg
or less

[light crystal]

Because of interception padding?

[dull hollow]

i used the cheap 1000 lb fighter

w.e that one is named

and wyvern yeah

818 meme seems like a meme

wyvern damage just too strong

[elder crane]

interception AA/crash yeah
Wyverns are like 1k+crash dmg a piece with extra round (maybe even two? that's like pushing 10k then) due to intercept, so that alone is like 5k+ damage over skypirate

[dull hollow]

it's 2.4-7k per hitvs heavy armor

[covert swallow]

I'm using 818

[elder crane]

818 on defense seems reasonable but on offense is
idk about it

[dull hollow]

818 cant sync to an fcr 457

and i cba to keep moving my gear around

so i just brute force with damage

[covert swallow]

818 with fcr mk7

[dull hollow]

yah im not moving my mk7 around

nj isnt a great sheller

at least compared to fdg

so i keep the mk7 on her

for shooting helena

it's annoying enough as is to swap the purple mk7 back onto NJ every time i go to shoot helena

[light crystal]

Pretty sure NJ out DPS's FDG, even in PvE

[dull hollow]

she does

but not due to shelling

fdg swims in shelling steroids but falls behind coz of barrage

so if u were divvying out the guns

fdg should get the rainbow

and nj the purple

i could be wrong tho

but from my at-a-glance comparison of their two steroids

fdg is the better sheller

[light crystal]

Probably r

[covert swallow]

just be dumb and waste your plates on +13 monarch gun like me

[light crystal]

I prioritized a +13 Monarch gun for VV over wasting plates on Mk7

Instead, focusing on +13'ing a 457 for NJ

[dull hollow]

coz fdg is 20 fp + 20 tdm or 20/50 crit specs

nj is just 25 fp

also 160 fitting for fdg
150 on nj

so im like pretty sure you want fdg to be shooting the bigger gun

[light crystal]

I have this hunch that PR4 will introduce a converging rainbow TB. Probably won't affect PvP much cuz converging is unreliable as-is. Unless it does something else OP

[dull hollow]

pls be

converging American torp

so indepdence becomes t0

[light crystal]

Probably IJN, cuz Haku is IJN

[dull hollow]

probs

kkona torp tech

was a joke

in ww2

so i doubt they would get good tech

if the leek that haku gets 2 preload + 1 50% load sticks

[light crystal]

That sounds questionable of a Leak

Most leaks have been off the mark

[timid current]

sounds like some nerd's wishlist

[dull hollow]

i just want it to be somehwat true so I can watch the shitstorm

pvp gonna be 5 preloads + 1 nj

[elder crane]

something something less dispersion tho I was never too convinced of anyways

[dull hollow]

vs meta bosses the dispersion probs matters less

they're fat bobble heads

vs pvp tho i guess

it's actaully kinda important for backline duels

coz ships r tiny

[elder crane]

Well HelMet actually moves around though
enough to juke dispersion a bit I think

[dull hollow]

in pvp

[elder crane]

although I use Dork so she doesn't do that

[light crystal]

Wut I think Haku will have is probably something like Mark/Miryuu have. If you use a plane from their respective nations (Well, Ash are their own, but base forms are from HMS/IJN), it will give them a barrage. So for Haku, put an IJN plane on her, she probably gets some sort of strong barrage at the start of the battle (Not an actual airstrike).

[dull hollow]

it's probs not that big of a deal purple vs rainbow

but i usually have nj on the 457 duty because it fits her shooting pattern overall

being a barrage focus ship

with more than decent shelling

[light crystal]

You mean Melena.

[elder crane]

helmet

[light crystal]

Melena

[elder crane]

helmet on melena

[dull hollow]

i just call her the erotic helena

[timid current]

nah bro its melena

[elder crane]

it's obvs helmet smh

[timid current]

who chose to make it backwards when it was miryuu and mark already

[light crystal]

ArkMet. HirMet. EntiMet, TakMet.

Oh yes

It rolls off the tongue superbly

[elder crane]

cause melena is
while helmet is

[light crystal]

Or, you know. Melena, Mark, Miryu, Menty, Makao, etc

[dull hollow]

is there any ship that ends in -met

so we can get

metmet

[timid current]

helmet isnt cute so melena is
helmet is

[light crystal]

Mouryuu does sound a bit dorky imo, but eh. Can't be all perfect.

[elder crane]

helmet > melena fite me

[dull hollow]

or a ship that ends

in -meh

[elder crane]

Official has [ship] META as the name anyways

[light crystal]

CN just uses Alter or some shit iirc

[timid current]

[elder crane]

海伦娜·META

still [ship] META

[timid current]

but not meta

[elder crane]

sure HelMET happy?

[timid current]

you cant make aoste and i happy with this name lol

[covert swallow]

heleNaM

[light crystal]

Sorta cute there's camps for this

Either way, rather stick to convention

Melena, Miryuu, Makao, Mouryuu, Mark, Menty, etc

[elder crane]

sticking to convention should have all of them -met

[timid current]

community convention

not dev convention

🙂

[dull hollow]

warspite meta when

but they bring back her slow 2ndaries

[crude mortar]

how are these guy not getting nuked yet

is all mod dead

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/834930749743956058.gif?v=1

[crude mortar]

did mod letting free gem and score slipped

[elder crane]

channel ded as usual

[candid sluice]

First comment gets to determine nickname

[crude mortar]

all mods are dead confirmed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/737158024376090697.gif?v=1

[dull hollow]

who's ready to wake up to 9 z23 pings in tmrw morning

[candid sluice]

Jokes on you it’s already morning for me

[sour oasis]

I always liked Edgy-prise, but that wouldn't really apply to Edge-Royal, Edgelena, and then we get IJN with Spicy-taco and the dark bunnies, Edgy-ryu So-what-Ryu.

[light crystal]

Doesn't roll off the tongue very well

[sour oasis]

Edgy-prise rolled off the tongue perfectly.

"Mark" is going to run into problems...

Miryu and Moryu kinda work best (but that lends to actual Japanese syllables existing to create mi- and mo- sounds). The others... Meta-Lena, Meta-Royal, Meta-Prise, Meta-kao... Roll better.

||Meta-Lena sounds so metal 🦹‍♀️||

[swift crown]

converging or parralel Torps if I don't have wyvern

have Tenkai and skypirate if that helps no ryuusei or junkers tho

[candid sluice]

Use barracudas

[swift crown]

why

like ok I'll use them but what makes them better than say a skypirate

@candid sluice

[trail temple]

Better crash damage with better reload

[candid sluice]

Fast load time with high crash dmg ya

Skypirate has abysmally slow load time and garbage crash dmg

[swift crown]

ic

so the effective dps is lower?

[candid sluice]

Kinda yeah

Torps from planes are always hit and miss can’t always rely on em for dmg

Crash however will always happen

Unless enemy has the three aa gods as vg in which case you will win regardless

[swift crown]

ic

but this still excludes wyvern right

[candid sluice]

Of course wyvern is auto pick

It has both crash and alpha dmg as well as interception

Downside is the load time

[swift crown]

aight

[trail temple]

Rainbows bruh

[sour oasis]

And build cost
And upgrade cost

Speaking of... Should the triple 234 (rainbow Drake gun) be a priority to +13? (twin 457 and 406 mk7 are making main gun gold plates a premium)

[tawny salmon]

The bb mg are priority for +13

[candid sluice]

Ya I’d do mk7 first

[frail orbit]

Who in the hell are actually making a rainbow vg gun being a priority to get +13ed

Oh well I know some

[candid sluice]

There are definitely people who did drek gun

[dull hollow]

i have reciepits

of ppl in my honkai server

who did the drake gun

[flint sun]

ykk, duca, juneau or noshiro, duca and jesus?

[candid sluice]

Who’s the backline?

[flint sun]

vv, NJ, aquila

[crude mortar]

go hakuryu preload with shinano nagato buff

[sour oasis]

I wasted mine on Azuma gun

[dull hollow]

where the birmingham cult at

[candid sluice]

It’s gonna get powercrept in pr4

[sour oasis]

I doubt it.
It got power crept by the 2 BB + de-stealth backline

PvP as it is now is dividing vanguard fight from main fleet support. Main fleet is doing most of the work.

[stable dawn]

We do get a new CB with PR4 though so it's very possible there may be at least a new gold CB gun

[sour oasis]

Would also be nice to make a 2nd CB gun with all those Azuma gun prints amassed...

[light crystal]

Wut, exactly. Not the gun, cuz it's BiS for Azuma due to self-Buff with it

[crude mortar]

its definitely powercreep pr4

[dull hollow]

sasuga washington server

my mate's acc hit rank 300 in pvp or so

and im being swarmed by 120 NJ comps

able to still take some of them down tho

with richy wk perseus

junny ykkz helena

[timid current]

washington is basically a race to +13

[radiant brook]

I mean, Richy burns vanguard very fast

[dull hollow]

i havent tried hitting any of the turbo meta comps

but the middle tier ones like wk persueus nj

with a tank front

not too bad

helena lets you punch up

quite well

nj just disappears at 20s

if lucky

[covert swallow]

wk perseus nj?

[dull hollow]

yah im too scared

to hit the big boi comps

[royal oyster]

for your own sanity it's ideal to have a comp that at least can sometimes win against meta

[light crystal]

Including myself, I think only 3 people have an optimal Mafia(NJ) fleets in Washington. At least, top 100.

That was last season though, I'm waiting to see how it gets on this season though.

[light crystal]

Bunny, doing more damage than the entire team combined, cuz why not

[swift crown]

mfw

[north vine]

still winnable

[swift crown]

spoiler alert:|| i lost||

[candid sluice]

[swift crown]

username checks out

[winged holly]

At the moment, is Turtle still the most generally effective comp on attack?

I mean Nagato + Hiryuu + Shinano / Juneau + Azuma + Yukikaze

[wooden pendant]

it seems like Quyet declared Aquila/NJ : Juneau as the new pvp meta, the other 3 slots can be multiflexed

and it works tbh

its also a counter to IJN

[elder crane]

Hasn't been since Italians

[winged holly]

I thought italian was a defense meme

[elder crane]

Not at all

At minimum Aquila is biased

[winged holly]

cause preloads

typically been more useful on defense

[elder crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749898857567223848/843327086269300756/Capture.PNG
And you saw what NJ does

[winged holly]

yea I know NJ is good

either way, is italians the "best fleet" atm or is it more of a rock paper scissors kinda thing going on

[elder crane]

Well Aquila is Nagato boosted Nano levels of damage due to preload, and preloads

Until NJ was rock paper scissors

Now is just NJ Aquila

[winged holly]

what's the third

VV? Hiryuu 😆

or just shinano

[elder crane]

Seems like it pretty much doesn't matter too much

Usually VV

[covert swallow]

indep

[elder crane]

But some ppl run Independence for example, yeah
Percy if you really hate torpteam, or to try your hand at maintaining stealth?

Vanguard is Juneau, Seattle/Birm, and a third of your choice

[winged holly]

why seattle, is NJ's 5% DR actually that effective

guess I'll just run indep kai cause I have her at 120

anyway, what do the equips look like for that team?

I'm guessing Aquila wants Tigercat/Apcuda/Wyvern/Avgas/Bacon if you're going crash meme

and Tigercat/Helldiver/Wyvern/Avgas/Mic if you're going conventional

[elder crane]

Seattle was always good to begin with, especially vs planes

Is as tanky as it gets vs them pretty much while not sacrificing eHP vs other sources like Sandy does

With NJ 5% and AA boost and using Nelson flag, Juneau doesn't need Manjuu anymore, so Seattle can run that too

[elder crane]

You don't do crash meme really
Also Hornet better for that due to plane speed
Although you might just want VF-17 anyways for AA

Is not really worth running APCuda over just XSB3C

[winged holly]

I crashmeme right now with shinano hiryuu and it's surprisingly effective

[winged holly]

would you actually run vf-17 over a tigercat tho?

or seahornet

[elder crane]

Yes, VF-17 +5% AA means ~3% less aviation dmg taken fleetwide, and also more HP dmg on planes reduces crash even more

Also something something about your planes taking less plane AA dmg as well? Not entirely certain on those mechanics

[winged holly]

ah right AA buff

what about the rest of the team?

[elder crane]

NJ most ppl roll with the 457 currently
Although mk7 is probably fine
Usually you'll want WNT on flagship
Vanguard uses speed setup, which means you'll want minimum two equipment that have + speed effects and beaver badge

Speed used to move too fast for BB shots/bombs to hit

[winged holly]

so pearls tears + boiler on juneau, Beaver + Manjuu on seattle, and maybe rudder shoe on azuma?

or would you want someone faster than azuma

[elder crane]

If you run Azuma you probably want three +speed

[winged holly]

if I'm running indep kai is it worth it to run columbia for flagship cover

[elder crane]

And Azuma isn't preferred these days
Needs time to do her work, which you're not given currently, pretty much

Birmingham preferred for extra evasion and immunity skill

Columbia second best probably

Note the flag protection, well, only works on flag and ends as soon as the buff unit sinks

[winged holly]

ye

[elder crane]

If you want is also possible to all-in on US fleet currently, with NJ Indep + (Enty or an essex class)

[winged holly]

bunker hill

[elder crane]

But yeah over the course of two events IJN got completely muscled out pretty much
You'll basically have to hope that Haku/next IJN event pulls through if you want IJN to return

[winged holly]

I don't really care about IJN I just have it built already

[elder crane]

BH actually not unreasonable cause NJ just that good
Although is probably worse than Enty/Ty/Essex

[winged holly]

if anything faster fights are a good thing

you either win or you don't but very quickly

BH has a main fleet AA buff too tho, that might actually be relevant

[elder crane]

Oh, NJ setup doesn't make for fast fights though

Is not really any faster than IJN

[winged holly]

BH has a 12% main fleet AA buff if she's the only carrier

it locks you out of aquila tho to enable that

which is ehh

[elder crane]

You'll be running indep still so doesn't work

[winged holly]

ye true

[elder crane]

NJ and Indep is the core here for pure USN so yeah
You're not dropping indep

[winged holly]

ill probably just run Aquila Indep NJ since they're all 120

well NJ will be

the other two are

only problem with running Indep is then I gotta run a cleve and I don't have birm or columbia raised adequately

I could run VV instead and run Juneau Duca Seattle

[candid lance]

You dont have monty?

[winged holly]

I have monty and biloxi at 120

but I'd prefer to raise a more useful one for pvp if possible

what do you run on NJ, just nelson flag and WNT?

with 457, staag and 128skc

[elder crane]

You probably want WNT on CV/L instead
Nelson flag HPFCR on NJ

[flint sun]

I somehow managed to beat an aquila, NJ, vittorio, dev 30 drake, duca and yukikaze team, all maxed and oathed

but I had the same things except they were lower level and had juneau instead of drake lol

[covert swallow]

drek in pvp

[waxen lion]

hi what's meta nowadays

[elder crane]

NJ Aquila basically

[waxen lion]

checked up on aquila, don't have her unfortunately

what's the next best thing then

[elder crane]

NJ Independence (Enty or any Essex class)

[waxen lion]

alright, will look into it

[royal oyster]

hakuryuu

[elder crane]

Haku will be 4 months later minimum

[iron stratus]

Good evening lads and gntlmn! It's time to ask one more thing since my last question here

Someone could help me to make a defensive fleet?

I know Dosnt change my rank, or shit, just making harder for others to fight you

Actually I have this

But I do have more options, I will share my op firens so u guys can see who I have leveled and that kind of stuff

If it's too much trouble or not worth it sorry for the time

[wooden pendant]

change sandy to juneau, probably just that and ur fine

makes it infinitely harder for ppl to torpmeme

[iron stratus]

Okai, June, noted, thanks you!

[iron stratus]

Anyway I'll take profit and ask if those fleets are solid enough to keep them that way, that would go to another channel but I don't rly want to write all again,

I can't see that emote

I'm on phone and it's all black

Even mine is black

Black supremacy

[timid current]

or you could remove defense fleet and be less toxic

[iron stratus]

[light crystal]

No, u go full tryhard mafia.

Make them hit that reset x10+ times or dodge u

[iron stratus]

[timid current]

ill do it when my rainbow mk7 hits +13

just for you

[light crystal]

[timid current]

just wont oath everyone tho bc im low budget gamer

[light crystal]

[gloomy lantern]

I’ve been using double ryuusei on my Shinano and Swordfish on Hiryuu, it usually deletes everything

The Swordfish let’s Shinano nuke their vanguard in a single hit

I’m surprised how few people run double Ryuusei

[elder crane]

It's cause vs anything with speed is like 80% to hit nothing

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-monsters-wyvern-gif-13942192

[candid sluice]

If u can use ryuusei to hit u can use nj barrage to do the same thing

[trail temple]

Also requires the swordfish to land, which it doesn't always

[crude mortar]

avrora server in nutshell:

[winged holly]

isn't WNT flaglocked

like it says "when equipped by your flagship" on the thing

are you saying you flag aquila and run NJ off flag

[winged holly]

how does this even happen? I relogged

I'm not here to get some +9s

[trail temple]

Yes, that is what he is suggesting

[winged holly]

ah

makes columbia much less exciting tho

[trail temple]

Flagships generally take a beating (over your off flag) so your aquila would appreciate the cover

[upper cove]

basically last reset you got high enough rank that your list rolled only people below you, and none of those people have moved since

or maybe not last since you would've pushed to 0, so the reset before that

[winged holly]

I just pushed new opponents and got someone above me

[upper cove]

ya your list will give you at least someone above you guaranteed unless you're in like, the top 70 I think

[winged holly]

I ended up top 10 when I dumped before work

I find it's easier to just not sandbag since my IRL schedule makes it likely I miss a round of 5 at least once in a season if I don't dump whenever possible

dumping gives me wiggle room to be unable to do pvp or forget about pvp

[upper cove]

ya that's why the people on your list were behind you
and then they just didn't move in the past however many hours

[light crystal]

Nah, I actually tactically run WNT on NJ center

Well, change to WS when I want to, but for mirrors, I think it's best to WNT

[trail temple]

That's the common variant in avrora, ez as piss tho

[light crystal]

🤔

[light crystal]

Usually put WS on her when I want to use her on PvE, cuz HPFCR + WS is good for PvE as well, not just PvP. But I can always quickly swap between the two with 2 clicks as needed.

[dull hollow]

Too bad accessing ship gear on phone is like trying to do open heart surgery

Fk holding down them down without triggering the pickup

[elder crane]

Use the other view

Can just tap in this view to open ship page

[winged holly]

Since you can hit AotN even if you don't sandbag, if you actually dont' care about EoS and just want to count merit, doesn't that mean that you get more merit for dumping asap?

since you spend more time in the admiral ranges which give 90 per fight instead of 80

[royal oyster]

you can even spend more time in the aotn 100 merit range

[safe meteor]

Sea hornet vs Tigercat, which one is better on Aquila ?

[light crystal]

Hornet has better reload

Otherwise, you'd use Tigercat for timing purposes, or for Independence.

Also, cheaper to make Tigercat, so like, if you're low on mats or something

[winged holly]

what do Duca and Seattle run in PvP?

I'm building VV + Aquila + NJ / Juneau + Duca + Seattle

I'm thinking VV gets WNT and high perf FCR, NJ gets Nelson flag and high perf FCR, and Aquila gets Avgas Mic

or does VV not want boomer radar cause she will strike before aquila de-stealths the enemy?

or does it not matter cause there's usually at least one BB

[timid current]

i dont use hpfcr on vv simply bc it hardly matters and her job is to smash vg with HE

duca i use kicks+rainbow torp/more speed

settle beaver+rudder bc id rather her live longer since shes the strongest in the vg

duca worse after her 2 torp launches are done

[candid sluice]

Can’t do this before you’re about to hit someone tho

[elder crane]

Hit stat is extremely important vs vanguard, and also HPFCR means their main CV/L won't be spotted yet so VV focuses vanguard more

[timid current]

i use nelsons which is still hit and i prefer the utility over hpfcr

[elder crane]

Vv with WNT+staag is 120 hit, with HPFCR too is 170
Vs the typical vanguard with let's say 130 ish evasion that boosts her hitrate from about 60% to 69%

He's using nelson on NJ

[timid current]

i mean that can be swapped for white shell

wnt is situational

[elder crane]

Nelson flag+WNT+staag on VV here is only 65.5% ish hitrate
And ofc as mentioned before, with HPFCR VV won't target CV/L so higher chance to shoot vanguard

Nelson flag was +26 hit at +13 right?

[timid current]

idk its one of the only things i havent +13d

[elder crane]

Yeah +26

In any cause if "VV's job is to [try] to smash vanguard" then 100% you want HPFCR on her

[timid current]

i dont feel like +13 another hpfcr lol

[slender atlas]

How to make her able to detect enemy CV in her first preload?

Sometime their CV not fully detect so i cant snipe with War kai

[light crystal]

120 her. Second, +13 all your own planes, as it gives them more HP and higher AA DPS to better intercept.

Would also advise running better overall AA to help with downing of planes.

[flint sun]

The hell are those tin can things from the core shop doing there?

What do they do?

[covert swallow]

Avgas? very important for pvp

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Aviation_Gasoline

[dull hollow]

[upper cove]

beautiful americans

[sour oasis]

They function similarly to drop tanks
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Drop_Tank#Type_3
They don't give carrier HP, but they give a bit more plane HP and more plane speed (both help surviving AA barrage from opponent vanguard)

Aviation gas is, in my opinion, important only if the opponent is fielding an AA heavy defense (which usually means USS ships, which is pretty en vogue now) otherwise consider focus on synchronizing your launches with Homing Beacon or doing more damage with Catapults (or using a specialty item like Frontier Medal)

Did we ever discover if drop tanks add even more plane HP when used with 100/150 aviation gas?

[sullen sierra]

question, running Naga/Hiryuu/Shinano with Birm/Azuma/Jun, but thus far ive been having little to no problems with preload teams atm, even super optimal AQ/VV/NJ - Jun/Duc/Seattle teams i occationally see. was just curious, are these comps just really similar in regards to tiering atm, or are most people just running relatively poor gear? is this pretty normal during a meta shift and should i expect it to get worse pretty soon for ijn comps? was interested in how others experiences have been, past and present, as im fairly new to pvp in general

[crude mortar]

what server are you on?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/857647343632908349/unknown.gif

[sullen sierra]

Avrora

[crude mortar]

just wait til like last 3days

if you on the top

you'll see the actual comp only last 2-3days

[sullen sierra]

good point, didnt have this fully optimized until just recently, will report back lol

[elder crane]

Well even after meta shift 95+% of ppl will gear it like crap and so you probably shouldn't have issues vs those

That's how it was in IJN meta

You're looking for the like 10 ppl who actually have reasonable gear to really be able to tell if fleet is any good

[sullen sierra]

gotcha, i had a feeling that might have been the case. suppose that's a good thing when the meta is shifting the previous ships arent immediately worthless. guess ill get to see what the proper fleets look like here toward the end of the week.

[naive dome]

warspite is back in the meta, since it can snipe NJ

My NJ is lv 110 so I use this fleet to counter pasta NJ fleet

[flint python]

That sux defense tho

[naive dome]

well i don't care about defense :V

[light crystal]

tbf, as long as it's properly equipped, that particular comp can be pretty good. Fleet Power suggests it's not properly equipped, however :)

[radiant brook]

NJ could just take a despacito and live though

[candid sluice]

Warkai in 2021

[light crystal]

She can be good tho

At least in defense, I guess. Does require 457.

[naive dome]

it's not, all the pasta ships and warkai uses pve setup, warkai has 457 and VV has triple 406 tho

[trail temple]

I see that fleet, better be quick on resetting if it goes south

[dull hollow]

if you want to uproll instead of raw consistnecy

wk with +13 champy gun and a helena in your fleet is pretty funny

[flint python]

[sour oasis]

Fahkumram stalled me pretty hard with NJ +Pizza trio +Noshiro & Azuma.

I'm too tired to swap out, but I remember USS (no NJ) + Aquila was a good counter (a lot better than torpedo meme)

[sour oasis]

What's the Champagne gun again?

[trail temple]

Pr3 AP gun

triple 406 something something MLE

[dull hollow]

highest damage per salvo and with an FCR it still fires before CV can launch

[light crystal]

457 still better, cuz I feel you tend to land more of the shells anyway, and faster reload can mean getting a salvo off before dying

[elder crane]

Is less likely to have that +13 especially for a player who would need to try to rng this

[sour oasis]

That brings up a priority question:
+11/+12 an UR gun (twin 457, triple 406 mk7) and wait on more plates later
Or +13 a SR gun now (triple 406 proto Champy gun, triple 410 proto Izumi gun, twin 406 proto FdG gun, quad 310 JB gun, etc.)
Do we even want to bother +11 triple 406 mk6 as a stop-gap?

[candid sluice]

Honestly I wouldn’t +11 mk6

My first priority was one champgun to +13 but now I’m prioritizing the rainbows

Already got mk7 to +13 because of helmet fights

[dull hollow]

not using AP to shoot thru helmets

this is a terrible joke

[light crystal]

I prioritized 457. Did a Monarch to +13, which I'm using over a Mk7, cuz honestly, I like the reload better and allpha would still be solid.

After I get 457 to 13, I guess I can work on Mk7 to 13. I'm unlikely to get 30 457 BP's for a second 457 in a week when PR4 hits

[dull hollow]

how is a

junny azuma duca

vv aquila nj comp

able to oneshot my entire aquila planes

like 95% of the time

i even have independence on my team

to buff the planes

[radiant brook]

Just some wacky AA magic

[dull hollow]

but like

i do 0 damage the enemy aquila planes

to the point where both Aquila and Inde

get detected

maybe he's got +13 wyverns or something

idk

[worldly cape]

Double radar Juneau with +13 Sexfors?

[candid sluice]

Probably +13 sexes on both jun and Luigi and aa mode procced on jun

[spare iron]

Does this look obnoxious to you?

Trying to make an annoying defense fleet

[tranquil badge]

this fleet won't annoy anyone ready i imagine

[real scaffold]

Looks like free win

[radiant brook]

It won't annoy anyone

No preload, no stall

No instant kill

[candid sluice]

Yeah that is not annoying at all

[trail temple]

Damn, I lost to it with my levelling fleet

I feel betrayed

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

You not running avgas or something lol

Also +13 planes helps a lot

[elder crane]

Issue more or less is no synergy
Ibuki in PvP is actually pretty shit for torpteam since doesn't play nicely with buff and CA get worse mods
Juneau is like, either focus on survivability or focus on torps, both vanguard setups are highly synergetic so half and half is actually more like 1/3 and 1/3 in effectiveness (or worse)
Then your main fleet doesn't even work with torps in the first place, if you're going to do that, run stall vanguard, especially since without any spotting capabilities you're going to rely on RNG shelling their vanguard then your vanguard doing the spotting
And ofc Monarch especially really doesn't fit well since you can't even really capitalize on her barrage focusing opposite ship

[spare iron]

How'd you fix it?

[candid sluice]

Use Aquila

[spare iron]

Ahhh yes, Spaghetti.

Any good stall Vanguard?

[candid sluice]

Classic ijn or uss with nj

[spare iron]

Hmmm Jauneu + helena + Seattle with Manjuu?

[candid sluice]

Sure that works

[spare iron]

Hmmm would you go VV, Aquila, NJ or FdG, Aquila, NJ?

[candid sluice]

Standard right now is nj vitt aquila jun luigi seattle which works really well

Luigi over lena for consistency

[spare iron]

Duca?

[candid sluice]

Ya her

[spare iron]

Damn, Duca is like 105 right now so might take a while

[candid sluice]

Well lucky for u there’s an event going on right now

[spare iron]

I've been doing that. Its jsut so slow doing it in C2

[spare iron]

So hey do you do Toolbox Manjuu on Seattle?

[safe meteor]

how is Seattle in pvp?