pvp

[dull hollow]

no

i stole this meme tag of WiS

ages ago

ive just never bothered to change it

to remind myself of simpler days

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

i prefer this rare yorkburh

[crude mortar]

[dull hollow]

[crude mortar]

inb4 everyone got warning

[dull hollow]

we are comparing emotes

of the popular pvp unit

essex

[crude mortar]

[dull hollow]

ok i must now ask for the invite link

[crude mortar]

cannot

[dull hollow]

[crude mortar]

its from agent discord

i cannot leak customer's information

for rank boosting service

[dull hollow]

[crude mortar]

avoid wyvern detection

= game over

[candid sluice]

Not even half smh

[covert swallow]

indep meta is here

[crude mortar]

wyvern aquila

sometime it had like 0 bar cuz i kill all the plane

[covert swallow]

do you use AA aux on sandy or anything

[crude mortar]

no

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

[dull hollow]

Wouldn't running aquila shred even more planes coz u launch a full strike

[candid sluice]

@crude mortar belfap just cockblocked my nj shells

[dull hollow]

Leander meta

[candid sluice]

How do u make nj shoot at backline

Fuck the vg carriers will wipe em

[dull hollow]

Use carrot shell skin

Bunny chase carrot

[candid sluice]

What event is that from

I’m a zoomer so I don’t have og skins

[timid current]

it might work but the fakkyu shells re still better for being toxic

[crude mortar]

457 nj user i see

[timid current]

also i dont think there is carrot
hes just memeing bc bunny girl

[candid sluice]

[timid current]

closest i know is the chili skin

but chili=/carrot lol

[light crystal]

Why IJN?

[crude mortar]

inb4 they add shimakaze with giga broken stat to use with suruga

[trail temple]

They would do something like that

[crude mortar]

they are going to do it

[candid sluice]

It’s a question of when

[light crystal]

I mean, u say that, but beyond Noshiro and Shinano, it was like almost a year between good PvP IJN ships. And even then, only Shinano was true meta, while Noshiro was a sidegrade to using Azuma, more or less

[crude mortar]

they rerun ink swirl

what does that mean to you

it mean after rerun its ijn event again

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

https://tenor.com/view/everything-proceeding-exactly-foreseen-on-course-gif-13921002

and then new broken ship

and again lvling to 120

endless grinding game

[light crystal]

Well, I don't see how a torp bote would make IJN great again. Unless it had a skill that can auto target a ship at the back or something

And ofc, a broken UR IJN BB. Or a good IJN CV with preload.

[crude mortar]

if they want to make powercreeped boat they can do anyway they wish

just look at italian ship

if they want to make it good then they make it good

if they want to make it pepega then it pepega

[candid sluice]

@crude mortar did u +13 your mk7

[light crystal]

Bad analogy, you know wut they make them good 🤔

But ultimately, they can do w/e they want. They can make the next French event have the next OP ship for we know, regardless of nation

There is the problem they're sorta running out of Vanguard cruisers for IJN, unless they want to go the paper route (Outside WoWs even, Prinz Hienrich style)

USN has the biggest pool remaining of good possible ships.

[radiant brook]

And then they are going to make most of them terrible

While future proofing IJN paper vanguards with broken skills that don't get powercreeped a few years after that

Nagato is still the best IJN flag, even though she is the first or second to be introduced

[crude mortar]

@candid sluice 12

need more plate

[candid sluice]

Did u +13 457 too or nah

[crude mortar]

no

i regret +13 seattle gun

got someting more superior cl gun now

[candid sluice]

Why did u +13 seattlegun first

[crude mortar]

i +13 seattle gun long time ago

+13 seattle gun is correct anyway

who +13 457 for pvp anyway pre aquila

[light crystal]

You mean Pre-NJ, actually

[crude mortar]

nagato use +13 seattle gun in pvp anyway

[leaden sky]

Dam too tryhard

[north vine]

[dull token]

That was close

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

its not even close if she proc

[dull hollow]

wao

[timid current]

[upper cove]

When Allen is the most legal there

[elder crane]

Sara is 100% legal loli though

[dull hollow]

playing this account

is like on permanent hard mode

[upper cove]

Was mostly just talking about appearance

theyre all totally legal on age kapp

[remote sage]

who are the best tanks for against torpedo bombers? I've been using Roon U, but I read CAs get no pvp buffs, I tried SandyKai thinking her 600AA might be good, idk if she's better or worst, Eldridge might be good but nogood vs percy

[upper cove]

Cas definitely have pvp buffs, albeit not the best
Sandy vs air damage is pretty fucking wack, Seattle in the off tank position is even more wack

Pretty much any cl with reasonably high AA, and nanoda are all good options against planes

[remote sage]

nanoda is linking to yukikaze on google, whose that?

I have yuki in the team

on the topic of yuki, is she best in first or third slot, if sandy is in mid

[upper cove]

I wouldn't put sandy in mid, but it kinda depends on what you're doing with the manjuu

And ya nanoda is yukikaze, or ykkz

But if sandy mid then I'd throw yuki in the off tank

[elder crane]

Yep

1. CA are medium armor so automatically worse vs aerial torpedo or bombs
2. CL usually have much higher AA to resist aerial torpedo/bomb dmg
3. CL get better PvP buffs
4. CL are ~8 speed faster in general which helps dodge things

[sour oasis]

Just 🐋 to catch up

[tawny salmon]

Nanoda is one of the lines of yuckykaze

[flint python]

Yuki is shit rn imo

[tawny salmon]

DDs are shit imo

[fast ember]

Suzutsuki is not bad

[flint python]

Suzu is definitely more valuable than yuki now that preload is a thing

[candid sluice]

@crude mortar wyvern or 818 indep

[timid current]

818 + her fast load can time well with nj baarrage

[hollow fractal]

what gun do people use on nj? i've been using 457 but i need HE for pve so i'm hoping that'll work too

[candid sluice]

I’m using mk7 because vanguard no more

[flint python]

I used 406skc

[hollow fractal]

ok that's convenient then, i'll swap to HE then

[flint python]

Because I'm using double evasion gears so I'm just relying on burn dmg and spam barrage

[light crystal]

Yukikaze VG is not bad if build to stall

However, that's all it does, stall with low DPS

Doesn't serve u well if backline has lower DPS than Pasta and ur trying to stall with YKKZ

[dull hollow]

The inde virus is spreading

[radiant brook]

PoW is lost

[upper cove]

Looks like she's right where she needs to be

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-where-the-fun-begins-star-wars-anakin-sassy-excited-gif-4830492

[light crystal]

Juneau/Birm/Seattle would make that a much better comp 🤔

[radiant brook]

This team somehow managed to consistently one shot my NJ and Aquila instantly when battle starts

[covert swallow]

one shot your nj?

[light crystal]

Have u tried putting NJ middle

NJ should not be getting sniped if she's middle

[radiant brook]

I did

My team in question

[light crystal]

🤔

U really shouldn't be using Hiryuu lul

[radiant brook]

Final counter saved me multiple times against this guy

What are some alternatives then

[light crystal]

VV. U know, running double BB kek

[worthy cave]

Percy or VV seems good, although I think Hiryuu’s a good choice still - it gives you time to restart (only real pvp losses are if you miss pressing the pause button at the end of the day)

[light crystal]

WK even

NJ/AQL + VV, or WK, or FDG

[radiant brook]

I have neither VV or perseus

[light crystal]

This is a BB meta boi

We're gone past CV's and Hiryuus

[radiant brook]

I have only warspite among those

[light crystal]

VV would be ideal. Good pressure, buffs Duca and AQL, debuffs torp dmg

But WK and FDG are also OK

[candid sluice]

That vg gets blasted by Aquila

[radiant brook]

Weird, that vanguard didn't get a scratch from Aquila

[light crystal]

VG is also squish. Seattle would be ideal over Sandi

[radiant brook]

No Seattle

Dev6

Still in PR3 focus

[light crystal]

[radiant brook]

I have my own duca at LB0

[light crystal]

Some ppl are using Maestrale too lol

[radiant brook]

Why

[light crystal]

I rather think Duca is considerably more versatile and better

Smoke and Italian Buffs. But u probably need to be running VV if u want to run her too

[candid sluice]

Ya vv mael somewhat works

But just Luigi lol

[north vine]

[empty owl]

Any recommendations for a different gun on monarch besides the new rainbow?

[candid sluice]

457 champgun or fdg gun works

[crude mortar]

hood gun

[empty owl]

Theses are the only ones I have ><

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-seriously-dude-really-spit-gif-5806216

@radiant brook

i see leon but leon dont put on defense fleet

https://tenor.com/view/popeyes-disappointment-immeasurable-sad-not-happy-gif-13567943

[radiant brook]

As if that's a bad thing

[dull hollow]

why does harry potter

have a discount cleveland barrage

[uncut agate]

Fletcher-class barrage

[crude mortar]

payment accepted

[light crystal]

Nice 9.

[crude mortar]

+9+9+9+9

for the greater good

[flint sun]

it's always these three vanguards together WHY

[crude mortar]

wait until you meet duca seattle

[flint sun]

seattle? hm maybe I should build her after all :v

I mean

create her..

I currently use duca yuki juneau

I get bulli for bad team

[tawny salmon]

If you have the pastas and nj that fleet is a free win

Nvm its always a free win

Ayanami vg

[flint sun]

pastas and nj? yes I does

but nj in pvp? tf

[tawny salmon]

Yeah wtf

Better than fdg on pvp

[flint sun]

:BlackGuyConfused:

:akaMe:

hm

current one is

Hiryuu, VV and aquila

[tawny salmon]

Hiryuu

Hiryuu is a joke

[flint sun]

a meta joke

:sheew:

[tawny salmon]

Free nitro by epic games btw if you want to use emotes

[flint sun]

too lazy to set up my card

well damn

Guess I'll try NJ in pvp

[tawny salmon]

Well if you have juneau and seattle then you have the most cancerous fleet in pvp

[flint sun]

why seattle

[tawny salmon]

Try fighting against nj vv aquila juneau duca seattle

[flint sun]

oh I dont have her yet, workin on mainz rn xD

I was wondering if I should go for cheshire next

[tawny salmon]

How many bps for cheshire

[flint sun]

barely any, I focused all on roon

and monarch

should I use this or the awesome gay mobbing gun on vv or nj?

[tawny salmon]

Vv since preload

[flint sun]

wait which on who lol

[timid current]

use the mk6 on vv

406 skc on nj for mob

and yes, nj is meta, hiryuu is not anymore

[flint sun]

NJ mob, uh no I don't do that

I currently have her in a 5 USS boss fleet (they just happen to be USS I wasn't even trying lol)

[candid sluice]

Is this for pvp or pve

[timid current]

just put her in pvp with 406 skc if you dont have a twin 457

[flint sun]

Yeah I didn't even realize you guys were talking about a gun I didn't even have

Just the two triple 406 I have, the gay one and the boring purple one

[north vine]

[timid current]

then use the purple on both of them for pvp bc without the other ones theres reaally nothing better

like you could use the twin 381 on nj in pvp but

[flint sun]

I thought the gay one was one of the best in the game 😔

[candid sluice]

It is

[fast ember]

This any good?

[candid sluice]

Pretty good

[late heath]

Which aux do you guys run on Seattle now? Currently having mine at fate V but I’m not sure which aux is the best on her

[dull token]

How does the PvP thing determine which ship to put as the fleet pfp?

[covert swallow]

Your secretary

Whoever is in your first slot

[timid current]

did not know you were refering to rainbow 406 as "gay one" but yes that is the best slow load HE in the game, use on VV in pvp

[flint sun]

Ok I'll put the purple one back on NJ then

[dull hollow]

sure wish

we had like consumables that let us refill ship morale

this NJ grind

to get her ready for pvp

is

[flint sun]

Wow NJ in PVP

She's lv 107 yet she's crushing lv 120's

[candid sluice]

Are u using 2x books or something

[dull hollow]

nah

i only burn them when im about to afk

but even with normal running

like

4 or 5 runs

have to go afk

[tawny salmon]

told ya

[flint sun]

yeah I'm destroying full lv 120 azuma and shinano teams now wtf

and shes only 108, and duca is only 104

vv 105

oh I got levels wrong theyre actually pretty close to 120

I didnt think I would be able to take this team but they got obliterated

it feels so weird to beat a team of 120's even if they're not PVP meta

[spark nest]

DR

lvl120

oathed

no dev30

[flint sun]

UnU

[spark nest]

average pvp « flexer » checklist complete

[flint sun]

would helena maybe better than a duca here?

I used to use hiryuu instead of nj

[candid sluice]

No you have vittorio

[flint sun]

So I should either try making a seattle/azuma in 12 years?>

(for ykk)

[lime elk]

What do I do to make a strong pvp fleet

[candid sluice]

Raise the Italians

[hot creek]

[iron stratus]

Hello, good evening y'all, I would love to know opinions about my pvp fleet, I want to know how can I upgrade it if I can

Because I feel it's not bad team but somethings wrong, maybe I just have to lvl em all to be a strong fleet

[elder crane]

Probably levels is the main issue

[light crystal]

Yeah, they're not max level, that's the main issue. And then there is the issue of lacking good AA.

[elder crane]

Jint/ykkz/warkai not ideal but certainly servicable

Is main issue of levels

[light crystal]

U can get by with that fleet if u put the right equips and they're max level, but not efficient

[iron stratus]

I see, I see, so, who I can replace to make a solid team?

Helena/sandy per Jintsu?

[light crystal]

Juneau/Duca/X, VV/AQL/X. NJ is busted and overall more reliable than WK, but WK can also be ok in current meta.

[elder crane]

Anyways for this team, I'll just say caveat that anything 5 levels lower than what you replace will do worse, pretty much

You'll probably want to work towards adding NJ, yeah

[iron stratus]

Ic, Juneau and NJ, NJ is on the way 120

[elder crane]

Do you have Birmingham?
I assume seattle is nowhere near dev25?

[iron stratus]

Exactly ^ I have like 5 months here

I also got Seattle today! XD

[light crystal]

She's a good bote in PvP. Specially when used with NJ now

[iron stratus]

And no, I don't have brin

Brimin*

[light crystal]

If u started 5 months ago, I dont think u got Birm (Birm is generally worse than Seattle in most instances)

[elder crane]

Do you have San Diego or,
I think Suzutsuki could be okay too currently?

[iron stratus]

Yeah, sandy I do

120 and retrofited

[elder crane]

Oh then use her for sure

[iron stratus]

So, bye Jintsu for sandy, okai

Duca on middle or sandy?

[elder crane]

Will help make up for what I'm assuming is suboptimal AA gun selection

Sandy

[iron stratus]

Okai!

Then I just have to replace waspri for NJ

So, ready to go?

[elder crane]

That's pretty much a meta comp then yeah (after +Juneau eventually)
Just levels and equipment then

[iron stratus]

F*cking hell yeah

Thanks you very much guys

[elder crane]

I wouldn't do NJ now ofc since pretty sure -7 levels is not worth? But maybe is okay anyways

[iron stratus]

Ill use her so I can exp her faster

Is a bad idea?

[elder crane]

Naw seems fine to me, probably

[iron stratus]

Aright, thanks you good sir

U can't imagine how happy I am to have a decent team on pvp

[elder crane]

Yeah despite how we whine about some things the fact that past couple events is all you need ship-wise for meta setup is quite nice

[iron stratus]

I work for em to be a strong ships, I can't wait to have my fdg ready to go..

Half year, I hope

Oh, BTW! I'm sorry for disturbing you so hard today, but last worry for me, is that a decent build for her on pvp? I mean, idk if double fighter would be better, I assumed not but never ask @elder crane

Should I +13 something?

[crude mortar]

wtf are these

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-7929301

[light crystal]

You'd be surprised

She's that good

[iron stratus]

Ah?

Shoudl I use other things on her?

[light crystal]

Oh, change one of the Catapults to either Jetfuel or Oil tank

[iron stratus]

Okai, I don't have core things because I just bough 2 bullets to NJ

[light crystal]

Oil tank can do

[crude mortar]

nj bullet?

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-7929301

[iron stratus]

Wops

[light crystal]

I'd sugget use White Shell + SG Radar if u dont have HPFCR

[crude mortar]

[iron stratus]

I don't have other things for NJ thi

[crude mortar]

rudder beaver

[iron stratus]

Okai, sg radar

[light crystal]

If u have an HPFCR, put that instead of double Shell

[iron stratus]

No I don't, I have bad luck with those in research

[light crystal]

Then SG + White Shell is fine

If she dies too soon for u because low lv or something, can even double SG radar, but if you're leveling on side, then SG + WS is fine, even for PvE

[iron stratus]

So

Better?

That works for pvp /pve even when they max lvl?

So I did wrong on using double stream and double bullets all this time?

[timid current]

buy this if you can, not the purple oil you equipped

[light crystal]

JetFuel has it's pros and cons I hear. Oil Tank does the job

Because it increases plane speed, it may drop torps closer to the VG or something

[iron stratus]

Oh shit, going back to double streams

Till I have enough points

Of those

[timid current]

yeah just use the other then its fine

[iron stratus]

BTW, I been using duca with repair and hydraulic thing, it's okai? O should I add a oxygen torp to the list?

[light crystal]

Double Shells is probably optimal for DPS in PvE (But HPFCR can also be great for PvE), but not in PvP, where the enemies have much higher evasion, so u need to stack a bit of Hit.

[iron stratus]

Oh shit I didn't know, thanks you so much for the explanation

Should I use another sg radar when ready for VV?

This is my VV right now

[light crystal]

Probably. Switch out the Black Shell for SG instead

[iron stratus]

Aright, then I'll change when I get another one

So my last súper last question for today, duca thing

Omg so happy for many knowledge btw :Hypertune:

That's my duca rn, oxygen torp, or she fine?

[timid current]

anything better than repair kit tbh

[iron stratus]

So, I'll add to my list a oxyg torpedo xD

[light crystal]

It's fine. I use Rudder + Cosmic Kicks on mine. But might wanna use Rudder + Pearl on urs instead, so if she dies she heals the team

[iron stratus]

Pearl huh, okai

I'll add that

Even for pve?

[timid current]

no

[iron stratus]

Okai

Only pvping

[light crystal]

When I was leveling her in PvE I was using Dildos on her, so speed up training time

[iron stratus]

Dildo

[timid current]

[iron stratus]

Idk.. What item is.. That one..

[iron stratus]

Okai, for now I'll add a pearl

[iron stratus]

But will replace with oxygen

[timid current]

black dildo

[iron stratus]

Okai okai lol HAHAHA

[timid current]

rainbow dildo

[iron stratus]

I have oxygen on

Ayaya

She needs 2 right?

[iron stratus]

There are items I never saw

[timid current]

you might not have the mics

[iron stratus]

Never saw it b4 lol

I have 5 months as I said b4 HAHAH

[timid current]

yeah they were from an event a bit ago

[iron stratus]

So, ayaya does need double oxy?

[light crystal]

Bluerendar loves that item. I just mainly use it cuz it changes the battle music

[iron stratus]

I mean not a pvp question lol sorry

[timid current]

i mean shes baasically a torp shotgunner in pve so yeah

[iron stratus]

Wtf I want it

[iron stratus]

Okai

Smh now I have to buy 1 oil, 2 oxygen and a independence

That's toons of those points jezz

[iron stratus]

Stop

[timid current]

lol youll get them

[iron stratus]

Or I pull the trigger

Lol

Well with time I'm pretty sure

[timid current]

aoste probs has more unless he bought 400 rainbows for no reason

[iron stratus]

Not seem ill quit the game ngl

[iron stratus]

[timid current]

then youll be leaving your waifus to suffer in pvp for eternity

[iron stratus]

I mean, I'll not leave AL*

I just love this game, jezz, nothing comparable with my last gacha game

[timid current]

i believe it is the gold standard in terms of f2p

[iron stratus]

It should be yes

I been in hell of fgo lol

And for 3 years

[tacit fulcrum]

helena, san diego or yukikaze for this composition?

[timid current]

sandy if against 2+ cvs otherwise id use ykk
helena is annoying to play with on attack imo, too many random resets

if you have seattle just use her tho

[tacit fulcrum]

i don't have seattle at all

[timid current]

do you have a leipzig retro

[tacit fulcrum]

nope

[timid current]

then yeah just use the above thing

ykk still good for staying alive

can also use suzutsuki against preload torps to help dodge them

[elder crane]

Birmingham or, as mentioned already, suzutsuki are good as well

Suzu is more for preload shelling/CV, lines up best vs those
Torps are very hit or miss if ships even in smoke

Vs shelling/CV though the smoke pops right as preloaded airstrike/shelling hits, and if vanguard leaves smoke then they are moving and will dodge shelling/bombs anyways

And if vanguard derps and sits still, smoke protects them at least

Birmingham is slightly anti-burst with her immunity skill

[timid current]

i would only use birm with indep tho

[elder crane]

You mentioned leip and Birm has same immunity
Also a good bit tankier cause NJ buff (over just slightly tankier otherwise)

[timid current]

leip is cooler 😎

[candid sluice]

Birm is much better with nj buff

And can use manjuu for double immune if u wanted to

[elder crane]

That too, since Juneau no longer needs Manjuu

Plus there's no Azuma to boost anymore

[crude mortar]

[flint sun]

I lost somehow

hm

[fast ember]

Best fighter plane for aquila?

[timid current]

there are arguments for both the f7f and sea hornet but hornet seems slightly better to me

but its so minimal its like hard to really test

speed/hp differences

[gloomy lantern]

This is my fleet, Balti has the Eagle Union Elite Damage Control and is affection 200. So far it seems capable of beating everything but the strongest teams. I have an Oathed Dev25 Azuma at 110 affection but I’m not sure which of the two is superior. Normally I’d say Azuma but since she isn’t Dev30 I’m unsure.

I’m trying to raise Azuma’s affection to 200 but it’s a slow process

[radiant brook]

Ditch Baltimore, she is buffing nobody

Helena would be better

[candid sluice]

Very cool fleet but why is Baltimore there

[crude mortar]

oh

+7 AA WHOLE FLEET!!!11

%

[candid sluice]

I fail to find the eagle union carrier

[crude mortar]

NVM

EN

[candid sluice]

[north vine]

[gloomy lantern]

She’s buffing herself

But alright, I have a Helena leveling

[light crystal]

I've considered running VF17 instead of Hornet on my AQL. Considerably less surface DPS, but the fighter increasing my VG's AA might mean more consistent AQL strike trades. But I don't really have issues against CV's, so that's what stops me from doing it

[dull hollow]

does NJ need the 10 acc on a stagg

she's basically an AA carry

debating if I shove the PR3 aa gun on her

[light crystal]

I also thought the same, but meh. STAAG is essentially a solid AA gun anyway

So I put STAAG, and besides, the 10 hit can help with overall surface DPS as well

[timid current]

her getting her shells evaded is way worse than a bit less AA damage in a 1 cv meta

[dull hollow]

well

depends if you're playing

for Independence

or not

that AA makes a sizeable diff

[light crystal]

I user her in a double BB mode, so I need them to murder those ships. STAAG is a solid AA gun in and out itself as well. My VG usually takes care of the planes they need to take care of fine enough as well

[dull hollow]

tbh the 2 cv 1 nj 0 detection meme

is rly monkas vs vv nj setups

coz both of them will only shell

nj

[light crystal]

🤔

[dull hollow]

because

[timid current]

your aquila should be detecting...

[dull hollow]

ur 2 CV are not detected

nah

if u roll with independence

and stack AA

it's fucking hilarious

aquila doesnt detect your cv

[light crystal]

Well, your VG might also be taking some hits. But yeah, if a NJ targets the other NJ while using 457, the barrage + shelling can do massive dmg, potentially OHKO as well lol

[timid current]

no the enemy cv

i cant tell if youre talking about your team or the enemy

[dull hollow]

yeah im saying if I'm running 2 cv that arent detected

the enemy vv and nj

will always be asspounding

NJ

coz they cant see the CVs

so you sometimes just int battles

coz they blow everything into nj

and aquila and inde cant 2v3

[timid current]

so why do you want more aa against 2 bbs?

[dull hollow]

well u need

[light crystal]

Stack NJ with Rudders n shit then if ur using double CV

[dull hollow]

all the AA you can get if you want 0 detection

but it seems like it's just a meme

ill proabbly just go back to

nj vv myself

vv just being mildly annoying coz she requires duca

i wanted to try inde so I could move away from duca

[timid current]

preventing an aquila preload from detecting your cvs is like super hard and changing from staag to sexbofors aint gonna change it

[light crystal]

Why is using Duca a bad thing, she's a great bote lol

Unless u hate the character herself for some reason

[dull hollow]

i like having an empty slot in my frontline so I can just level a random

jp is a dead server and im not a ranker anymore (i keep slepeing past cycles or playing too much of other games)

so i just fight for fun by fishing for "hard" comps

but 90% of my battles

are some 120 akaga shit

so if I keep duca it's Junny Duck + random

but the Birhmiham drug

is too good

[light crystal]

🤔

[dull hollow]

maybe ill jsut play inde 4fun

it lets me use Ticonderga later on

anyway

who's currently in the leveling pipeline

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

my nj currently allergiic to mvp

but she's 114 vs 120 aquila

duca steals pvp a lot

[light crystal]

I can't wait to +13 my 457, it's gonna be glorious.

She should be MVP'ing alot against IJN fleets

[dull hollow]

nope

it's all aquila

and sometimes duca

[light crystal]

[dull hollow]

my rainbow gun

is +13 btw

+13 fcr and white btw

[light crystal]

R u using Mk7 or 457 tho

[dull hollow]

the actually useful one

and not the gimped HE one

they did that gun dirty

[light crystal]

🤔

Mk7 is good on VV tho

[dull hollow]

yeah it's still "Good"

but it's pretty cut down

from the orignal spcs

was supposed to be a 183 x 3

not 167 x 3

[light crystal]

It should be the best gun for VV, with the preload + barrages not being tied to gun firing

So eh

[dull hollow]

i mean it's fine

im just

mad that it got cut down

and by mad i mean

mildly mildly annoyed

[light crystal]

🤔

[dull hollow]

one enemy

i couldnt figure out for the life of me

was a vv nj aquila

with azuma duca junny

and

his strike would always detect me

and deal massive damage to my backline

when my preload

with 2 ijn torp + 1 duca

or with junny/tank + duca

does like

0 damage

and never detects his aquila

does he have 6 +13 PR3 aa or something

like that frontline is obv not contirbuting

to the preload

but he always dunks my vv and nj for 20-50% on opening

maybe it's +13 wyvern and figher

i havent +13 any planes yet

besides my ryuuseis

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

pve focuses first

[candid sluice]

I prio experimental then wyvern

[light crystal]

I tend to trade very well against AQL's cuz I got all my planes +13, on top of my overall high AA on my fleet

[dull hollow]

yeah i havent +13'd any plane besides my ryuuseis

[candid sluice]

Pve casul spotted smh

[tranquil badge]

What does a Seattle pvp loadout look like?

Also curious as to why Seattle is the off-tank of choice with New Jersey

[candid sluice]

Her skill

[north vine]

gotta stack that dred

[tranquil badge]

I have autopiloted Seattle for a while in the offtank that i have zoned out from the damage reduction skill, forgetting this was the reason why i put her there

[north vine]

[late heath]

May I ask which equipment you running on your Seattle?

I’m using Seattle rn but I’m not sure what I should use on her

[light crystal]

It's a bit specialized, as I'm running Juneau with DCP+Pearl in front

[late heath]

Ahh I see, ty

[crude mortar]

[candid sluice]

[crude mortar]

when people thoughts ijn era is over

dev just simply retrofit ijn torp dd

ez

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

[radiant brook]

Mafia comp would just eat her alive

The only way IJN could come back is a full fleet damage reduction

Probably on Yamato

[flint sun]

I thought my ass get handed to me with lv 107 duca and 106 nj

This one might give me a run for my money

[radiant brook]

You got VV/Aquila?

[flint sun]

yeeeeees

[radiant brook]

Those 2 alone just eat IJN comps for breakfast

[flint sun]

114 vv

106 duca

welp they were still obliterated

[candid sluice]

Those are some wack fleets

But what do u expect from amagi

[flint sun]

I never thought I'd be someone who'd say "free win"

[radiant brook]

Oh Amagi

That's just pvp easy mode

And Lexington

[flint sun]

Wiping the floor with players far higher level than me

[candid sluice]

Tbf there have been more and more Italians popping up on high ladder

[flint sun]

;_;

yeah I found a few

[candid sluice]

But no one I’ve seen with new meta

[radiant brook]

Answer them with your own mafia

And most don't realize what makes them so mental

[candid sluice]

Naw that’s old meta

[radiant brook]

I only have 1/3 of the mafias and still eating mafia comps up

Granted I'm using a 120 NJ

[candid sluice]

Nobody is ready for new meta

[flint sun]

I never thought NJ would be this good

[candid sluice]

Italians won’t save u

[flint sun]

and she aint even close to max

I mean she gets crushed in PVE but still

[radiant brook]

Most optimal comp now is NJ+DH mafia+Juneau+Seattle

[flint sun]

I can't afford seattle

I guess I'll go for her next

[candid sluice]

Nah new meta is best comp

On offense at least

[radiant brook]

Wait until PR4, and catch up on Seattle

Yeah just for offense

[leaden sky]

dont u have any substitute for seattle

[radiant brook]

Because defense will just be cracked open regardless

[flint sun]

I currently use ykk juneau and duca

[leaden sky]

like sandy/suzu or any

[radiant brook]

Seattle is pretty irreplaceable

15% dmg reduction on off tank is very huge

[candid sluice]

New meta and italians are very different comps

[radiant brook]

What's the new meta

[candid sluice]

Uss

[radiant brook]

Like full USS?

[candid sluice]

Yus

Well one backline u can throw whatever

[radiant brook]

Yeah Aquila is kinda needed

So Erika comp is pretty much optimal?

[candid sluice]

Nop new meta don’t have that

[radiant brook]

NJ/enty/independence, Juneau/Birmingham/seattle

[leaden sky]

is that the immunity strat or somethin

[radiant brook]

Birmingham has a invincibility skill like leipzig

And can use manjuu

But Aquila would just cut the airstrike dmg a lot

[leaden sky]

hm interesting, do we alr have that lineup in avrora

[radiant brook]

Erika only so far on t100

Also I'm the only t100 that runs 1:1 defense

Because I can't be bothered and just want to flex 120/200 NJ with bunny skin

[leaden sky]

i kept being matched up against u so yea i kinda knew

[crude mortar]

its not meta

dont do it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

[leaden sky]

im going to try yours, if i get u that is

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

time to unequip all my gear and surrender

[radiant brook]

Funny, my comp just cracked Erika's wide open

[crude mortar]

see

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823622902376955915/847783707497463808/EssexMirage.gif

[radiant brook]

[crude mortar]

did 818 hit

[candid sluice]

Wack vg placements smh

[trail temple]

@radiant brook What's your vg looking like if you managed to beat Eri's fleet?

[radiant brook]

NJ/WK/Aquila, manjuu Juneau/helena/sandy or sanrui

Depends on if I'm fighting preload or BBs

[crude mortar]

[candid sluice]

Helena

[crude mortar]

did my 818 hit or nah

[radiant brook]

They did

[crude mortar]

did nj miss

or what

did your vg die or not thats the question

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712571793126326303/846750483716636672/point.gif

[radiant brook]

Mine died but NJ/WK just shredded your vanguard

Enty got sniped pretty early on

[crude mortar]

oh ok

time to run full evasion gear to cuck leon

[radiant brook]

Good luck, they have high luck and hit

[crude mortar]

guess how many time i test warspite accuracy vs evasion gear

this man

too young to witness the brutal warspite patch

[trail temple]

Warspite may have high luck, but she shoots like a stormtrooper

[crude mortar]

warsapite cant really kill cv with double evasion

even with double accuracy gear

[radiant brook]

Well my WK/NJ focus fired on enty

[crude mortar]

leon clearly never seen hiryu double evasion pre stealth

[radiant brook]

Yeah because I only started taking it seriously after stealth is a thing

[candid sluice]

Double eva backline is such a stupid thing to run but it worked

[crude mortar]

bb era everyone running double eva shit

storm trooper game

[radiant brook]

We are back to BB era now

[crude mortar]

and hiryu winning cuz everyone i storm trooper

*is

[radiant brook]

Time to run a comp that melts vanguard

Do y'all think that this meta is healthy?

Or absolute cancer?

[candid sluice]

Aquila

U tell me

[radiant brook]

IJN meta back then is also event locked

It still is with noshiro/shinano being locked behind events

[candid sluice]

Giving carriers preload with not only no drawbacks but also massive buffs on top of that is only the gateway of what’s to come

[radiant brook]

Wasn't nagato like that back in the day? Being so above the rest that she isn't being competed until 2 years after her release

Although they both do very different stuff

[candid sluice]

Nagato herself is just stat stick

[crude mortar]

you dont really need nagato since forever

[candid sluice]

Other ijns made her good

[crude mortar]

if you edgy enough

[radiant brook]

Hell, nagato release pretty much cemented the IJN meta until DH

[candid sluice]

I never used nugget

[radiant brook]

Yeah but she is the center piece IJN units needed

Pretty much the "must have" if you want to stall

The only difference is using nagato locks you to certain ships who just happens to be at the top of meta as well

[crude mortar]

stall who you mean

stall new player yes

stall old player no

[radiant brook]

Still wasting time resetting and so on

[crude mortar]

wdym reset

[candid sluice]

No reset against nugget

[crude mortar]

nagato amani warspite beating nagato hiryu amagi all the time

*amagi

[candid sluice]

I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve reset against nagato squads

[crude mortar]

warspite fomiddable centaur also beating nagato hiryu

[radiant brook]

Nagato+black torp comps though

Her hit buff made it easier to land them and one shot fdg

[next burrow]

What is the best HE CA gun? Is the gear lab one worth crafting?

[radiant brook]

Gear lab one? No

PR1 HE gun is a good sidegrade

Best is algerie gun but that's event locked

[next burrow]

Wrong chat but good to know... thanks

[crude mortar]

ca in pvp

[light crystal]

Against an standard IJN fleet. Remember when Blue used to say "We need to test if she can spot the CV's with preload to know if she's useful". The additional question should've been: "...And test how broken can her DPS get."

[dull hollow]

blue doubted NJ too

[tawny salmon]

Who is blue

[alpine finch]

I'm Blue da ba dee da ba daa

[timid current]

Bluerendar

I believe

[sullen sierra]

is it better to run black torp and 533mm quint Mk IX on Duca for this comp? or just go with the rainbow quint and normal pvp auxes?

[light crystal]

U want full stall

Unless using with noshi/naganami

Duca already demolishes without dildos and just using quint mags

[sullen sierra]

cool, ty. kind of curious how people building AQ/VV/NJ Jun/Duca/Sea in general, but I should be able to make something work with that concept

[sour oasis]

Full stall; let the backline do all the work and Seattle/Luigi barrages can mop up the leftovers.

[radiant brook]

Is luigi worth using without VV?

[north vine]

AQL and Duca can work without vv

[dull hollow]

i will say

this game definitely seems to run differently on EN

compared to JP

there's always been speculation that each server runs on a different build of the game and it has weird effects most noteably in pvp

back in the day

comparing Nakaga damage in JP vs CN was like

CN's damage taken was suspiciously low

and now comparing my EN vs JP battles

i cant put my finger on it

but the preload meta seems to work way better on EN

[dull hollow]

well less so speculation about the builds (it's actaully kind of obvious that the games run on diff builds)

but rather speculation in how these diff builds affect gameplay and auto

[candid sluice]

Do they have diff hidden mechanics

[dull hollow]

i think the game's units and projectiles are just coded differently

even if it's not the game runs noticeably super cleaner on EN

JP every battle is giga laggy

and in the preload stages

you skip like 2-4seconds

of battle

just due to sheer lag

this has tangible effects on planes and torps

[stable dawn]

that's how my game runs on my emulator but not on my phone

[dull hollow]

im running both games on the same device

the EN client is like butter

the JP one

[stable dawn]

weird

[dull hollow]

when the game lags and tries to play "catchup" planes and torps behave very suboptimally

and weirdly

i'd put money on that's why JP's preload feels so awful

along with their pvp bb shelling accuracy, to an extent

long long ago a lot of ppl said HMS demolished nakaga

but no one that i talked to in JP could replicate results

we'd watch bili videos and be like

nakaga strike chunks them for 20-30%

it was usually 50% for us

we didnt have AA PR gear back then

so it wasnt like an issue there

[dull hollow]

also on another note

the movement speed on the map in opsi

in en is like literally 2x faster

LMAO

[radiant brook]

[light crystal]

Pretty sure game runs the same, never have heard otherwise tbh

[dull hollow]

either my jp client is just one off cursed or i have schizo

but the diff is night and day for how the game runs

nah it was obvious when i ran both on emus

now that I remmeber

[light crystal]

Probably confirmation bias

[dull hollow]

no like

i can actually

record you both clients

and you can physically see

the game runs way smoother in EN

[light crystal]

There's a guy that plays PvP in all servers, including JP, EN, and TW, and he's never said anything about running differently across the servers

[dull hollow]

whether or not the AI behaves differnetly is a seperate question

but the massive lag spikes during preload phase

super fucks with stuff

most of the JP guys ive hung out with from launch have always suspected the JP and CN clients are at least different

JP and EN was less of a concern

but now that I'm playing a preload comp whilst adopting a mate's acc

the differnece in how preloads play seems to be tangible

frame drops do affect projectile/torp behavior

which isnt surprising

AL probs wasnt build with the best frame behavior optmizition in mind

[flint python]

[light crystal]

Sounds more of a case of confirmation bias, but eh

[dull hollow]

game is unity based isnt it

iirc

if it is then framerates actaully impact hit reg/game behavior a lot

malded too much in honkai to know that

top 3 -10 score battles required you to play the game at 15/30/60/90 fps depending what boss you fought

and that's not confirmation bias those bits got througly researched

would absolutely not be surprised if AL suffers same fuckery

but the "competiitve" scene for AL is basically an atom

so it probs doesnt get as much traction or exposure

fwiw i have a galaxy s9

[timid current]

jp server shouldnt be anywhere near you unless you live in japan so that could be why it looks like you have 500ms ping

[dull hollow]

i dont think the maps are affected by ping

but maybe opsi is

[timid current]

lag screwing your client

[dull hollow]

that would explain that part

LOL

[timid current]

because bad connection

[dull hollow]

coz each movement proly has to repoll the server

[flint python]

in AL I experienced my preload not dropping ordinance because frame drop perfect timing

weirdga

[dull hollow]

yeah it's rly noticeably on my persues in opsi

when i lag

her torps striaghtup disappear

and the enemies do not take damage

[timid current]

probably bad programming with server/client processing and communication

[dull hollow]

wouldnt be surprised

AL is ultra jank

[timid current]

old game

🙂

[dull hollow]

it was supposed to be a shitty knockoff/dead game by admission of devs

they never expected it to take off

and were prepared to move into the eroge scene

if it flopped

bless Tanaka for being a somehow even more useless dev

[radiant brook]

Tanaka? The developers for kancolle?

[dull hollow]

ye

i came from kc

was like top 500 ranker for a bit

[radiant brook]

Oh yeah

Its not hard to succeed when your competition is gimping themselves

AL was like the only ship girl game outside JP for a while

[dull hollow]

yah and it wasnt clone like WSG

al has a lot of what appeals to me in kc

game at endgame is all about knowledge and preplanning + testing

which is why im one of the few dozens of us who malds pvp this hard

[timid current]

then why you play jp

[dull hollow]

because

that was 4 years ago

or whenever the game launched in beta

for jp

en didnt come along until like 2 years later

dont wanna leave my softcapped acc

[timid current]

so quit and mald en pvp only

[dull hollow]

i can run two acc

i mean u press

auto search in opsi

and continue wfh/playing other games

evneually u run out of fuel

so swap acc

mates acc has everything needed to work

nj + pasta botes

no black dildos for me on here

but ill just play roach style

[timid current]

i can barely play one acc and i work full time from home...

[dull hollow]

i just glance over and press the auto button like

3 or 4 times an hour

some days i forget to play

but it's not a big deal to drain 200 opsi

and then weekends when watching tv or anime

burn a ton of recharges

the only thing i cant do no more

is pvp ranking

always miss cycles coz of sleep or busy

i tried it once

like last month

wasnt worth it

got top 10 despite inting my ass off

thank JP ded server

if the JP client still lags to shit in pvp

on my new pc

it's doomed

5600x

3080 ti

[timid current]

well you do you i guess, i could never play 2 accounts, especially since i "play" genshin impact too lol

ill stick to my 1 boomer account

[dull hollow]

yah 2 accs is as bit hard

i keep forgetting to do my mates acc

she's also so far behind pve wise

sometimes i just dont wanna deal with it

it might get easier with new pc coz i can run the emulator again without making my pc spit flames

i couldnt use video player + emu without frame drops in both

on current pc

my maintime game is honkai anyway

im like top 10-20 rated player in the game

need to always keep up

my elo rating is technically tied for #1 in NA

at least u cant whale in pvp in AL

imagine having to compete with ppl who have full +13 rainbows

coz they can pay for it

[timid current]

thats why al is still the best gacha imo

[dull hollow]

that's honkai

im out here tryna win with +10 golds facing off vs +13 rainbow whales

i still keep up tho

coz the game is full action/skill based

which serves as a good contrast to just watching 6 idiots mill around on the screen

tripping over duca's slow torps

[timid current]

duca is a legit minefield

hilarious with a good torp skin

[dull hollow]

give us a new torper

or aux