pvp

[buoyant parrot]

good thing Im retired

I got all of them at 30th Pull

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Little Enterprise

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[buoyant parrot]

Unlike way back Shinano banner, It's a horror

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[sharp obsidian]

60 Pulls, 2 NJ, 4 Archerfish, 0 San Francisco, 2 Boise

Seems like San Francisco will be my “bugged” SR this banner. Always seem to get one of those that refuse to come

On a side note, Ticonderoga has a Shield on Battle Start for VG

This might be the start of Yostar countering Preload Meta

[ripe latch]

seems tico buged for me
want test her but

[sharp obsidian]

Tico is Shop Pull haha

[ripe latch]

i'll just

[sharp obsidian]

But yes, I feel like Tico is the JB of Preload

Start out tame with Preload Shield

Then later on, we get Preload Invulnerability for VG

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3,5 left

[crude mortar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ms5h1IRZQrJh17BQAA/giphy.gif

[ripe latch]

rip season for avrora

[light crystal]

Avrora peeps should've 0/10 gang'd

[candid sluice]

Is this the season where amagi eos beats avrora eos?

[royal oyster]

avrora slipping. lost to lexington last season and washington the season before

[sharp obsidian]

What happened to Avrora?

[sharp obsidian]

This is actually hard to read

[royal oyster]

server meltdown earlier this morning

[sharp obsidian]

For PvP?

Or whole game?

[royal oyster]

login issues and getting infinite loading screen after pvp fights

[candid sluice]

Ya no one could get into the server for a long time and it went over the ticket reset

[sharp obsidian]

Oh wow! Seems like a lot of players returned!

[radiant brook]

Due to server dying stopped the sandbaggers in their tracks?

[ripe latch]

NJ + Tico + Enty/Esseh

[elder crane]

Apparently

I actually did drop a tix

Even tho game said I had 20 s to spare

During server meltdown

Dw my score was scuffed anyways

[crude mortar]

nj essex enty wnt ggez

[next burrow]

Eh, nj doesn’t buff the cvs tho

But raw power > synergy?

[zenith tundra]

she does buff aa and dr

so not like nothing but no offensive buff

[next burrow]

Oh, the dr

Now that is very interesting

Not sure if jun wants dr but we shall see

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter if she sinks on preload torp

[next burrow]

What are the odds she takes everything tho

[zenith tundra]

i have some doubts it will work. her barrage and 1st shelling will aim only bb/vg

if she's lead it's most likely plus manjuu helps with that

[light crystal]

I plan to run VV/NJ/AQL for attack, along with Juneau and Seattle. Third VG either Sanfran of Duca, gonna see. Should be a solid, tanky (Against torps and planes), low RNG Attack.

[ripe latch]

manju NJ

[sharp obsidian]

Day 1 of Event, Aq, VV, and DA are now 104. Just gotta keep grinding for that new meta

[rapid vessel]

is there any place or video where i can see meta pvp builds?

[candid sluice]

There isn’t really a place (that I’m aware of) that has fleets that are up to date

U can just ask here

[sharp obsidian]

Someone here had a video of the Italian Fleet that I’m shamelessly going to copy

😅

[next burrow]

I really want to test uss vs pasta rn

But no one has the full thing...

[radiant brook]

NJ dosen't buff the CVs in the same team as her

Thats an oof

[north vine]

Big oof indeed

[radiant brook]

Inb4 NJ/Aquila/Georgia teams

[candid sluice]

Georgia

[radiant brook]

Well the yanks better use whatever they have

[next burrow]

I am just going to stick to pow lmao

Just for now

I’ll test nj when she’s 120

Her raw power might just be better than cv buffs

Also getting mk7 past +10 will be a huge pain in the ass

[light crystal]

It isn't. Just have AQL on team + VV and NJ. The thing about CV's, they don't do that much dmg if u stack AA and damage reducers, and then they're revealed so u can start hammering them early

[rapid vessel]

what are some comps i can make around Nagato?

i dont have Shinano

[ripe latch]

have amagi?

[light crystal]

If you have Akagi Muse and Hiryuu, those are solid

[rapid vessel]

sadly not

il sweat out for those ships you guys are saying when reruns happen

[ripe latch]

maybe show what u have now?

[rapid vessel]

wont send elites and rares unless you want c:

[ripe latch]

u can make now monarch + ws kai , get hiryuu on 3-x and put

temporarily put on vg laffey/yuki + juneau(or bel/prinz - highest lvl) and play

[distant token]

prinz

though u can get eos with prinz

[sour oasis]

Heavy carry

[rapid vessel]

only 2 ships in vanguard?

[sour oasis]

What server are you playing on? Avrora is really the only one that punishes starters.

[rapid vessel]

[ripe latch]

laffey/yuki core now for u , 3d - optional choice , juneau(any lvl ) or prinz/bel(high lvl)

[sour oasis]

Sandy's not too bad. It's mainly a matter of levels (higher leveled ships to power through some tryhard defense)

[rapid vessel]

is there any advantage to not having a 3rd vanguard?

[sour oasis]

Level 100+ Juneau, Yukikaze, Nagato, Hiryu (Kai) will be a solid defensive core to build around. Add your highest leveled ships (any will work; Portland retrofit or Enterprise are decent no-frills baseline), and some selective opponent choices, you can make it up the ranks while raising levels.

[sour oasis]

Technically there is a niche combination that lures the enemy vanguard into a triple BB backline trap, but no... Do not play PvP without a 3:3 fleet.

[rapid vessel]

oki oki

[ripe latch]

no , only 3

[sour oasis]

PvP is free XP, merit, and if you can climb the ladder, more merit.

No reason to leave xp on the table by using a smaller fleet.

[rapid vessel]

Why did both of you suggest Juneau

[covert swallow]

[sour oasis]

Juneau has an ability that replenishes everyone's HP by 20%. Which is like her FP and HP is extra if everyone else is living 20% longer.

And while her stats aren't great, they're "a free extra" if her heal hits all 5 other teammates. Also, with the Union Elite Repair Manjuu, it gives her some invincibility as she's tanking and getting her heal ready to go.

[sour oasis]

TL;DR

Juneau is a cheap and super-effective defensive tank. It let's you focus on using more offensive girls in the other 5 slots.

[rapid vessel]

ok tyty il throw her in the dorm

[sour oasis]

Her heal is pretty bad in PvE (since it requires her dying) but is really OP in PvP.

[rapid vessel]

oh i know theres a tear gear or something

is that used in PvP? i cant see it used in pve

[light crystal]

I would do this nobren team with what you have: Nagato, Hiryuu, Aquila; Juneau/Duca/Yukikaze.

[sour oasis]

Yes there is. Any ship can equip it. It's a big HP buff (so it's not bad in PvE if just for that) and also heals any remaining ships by 15% once the Pearl Tear ship sinks.

Useful in PvP because of that heal (to prolong your survival). Most give it to Juneau (turning her 25% to 43%).

[sour oasis]

Those Sardenga ships are like level 30...

[light crystal]

Actually, nvm Nagato, swap out Nagato for Veneto lmao

So Veneto, Aquila, Hiryuu, Juneau/Duca/YKKZ. Super brended and reliable.

[sour oasis]

It's a strong formation once their skills and experience is high, and I would recommend that eventually, but for now Nagato can give @rapid vessel wins.

[light crystal]

Nagato is only worth it if ur using two IJN CV's, consisting of the following three: Shinano, Hiryuu, or Muse Akaki.

[sour oasis]

I think they only have Hiryu

[light crystal]

Well, he doesn't even have Juneau. But might as wlel get working on Juneau as well

[sour oasis]

Fair point.

[rapid vessel]

I have Juneau xd

[light crystal]

He does have AQL, Duca, and VV, so use those as core, and level them up

Well, Juneau is super easy to get

[elder crane]

PvE mostly only useful for Op Si and EX, where it's fine for ships to sink

[sour oasis]

Yeah. All three Sardenga ships kinda OP for PvP. Aquila has a nice de-stealth once you level her skills. Duca's skills are highly destructive, and VV is the Nagato-like flagship for them.

[elder crane]

What? not at all

VV is not dead weight smh

she does need the other two, but mostly for self buff really
her team buff is weaker than Nagato's, esp if you're considering Aquila vs IJN CV

she joins the team mostly based on her own merit cause she's the strongest preloaded guns

well, I think PoW might be stronger technically but

[sour oasis]

Question, with the Operation AF aux available, is it worthwhile to have it in PvP vs IJN-centric defenses?

[light crystal]

I plan to swap out Shinano for Aquila on this team lol

[elder crane]

no, AF pretty useless

[light crystal]

Reason: Unstealth the CV's on enemy side will make it much easier for torps to nuke them

[elder crane]

6% dmg < offensive aux

HP < defensive aux

so is in a weird middle spot

also less IJN around these days

[sour oasis]

[light crystal]

I actually tried it with Perseus to test the comparison between hitrates of Stealthed and non-Stealhed CV's from torps. And it was noticeable difference

[elder crane]

And Aquila does similar dmg to Nano anyways

cause not like that team will have Nano strike 2 hit for meaningful damage

Yeah the difference is massive, preload CV makes nuking their main a lot more likely when you miss their vanguard

[light crystal]

My Aquila is lv 119/200 atm, almost 120

Plan to use Mike and JetFuel, cuz without VV to help with Hit, might miss a bit on VG's 🤔

Reason over using Nagato still, is to help with Hit/Reload buffs on the Torp VG

And Hiryuu

[sharp obsidian]

Mike? 😮

[light crystal]

🎙️

[radiant brook]

I feel like NJ power creeped warspite instead of fdg

10 second barrage is probably one of the reasons

[elder crane]

inhales

Random aim barrage lmao

Can't rely on it to do anything

Is annoying af PvE too

Unlike biased VV barrage, NJ barrage is random aim on the HE portion

AP is priority order which unfortunately in PvP is random aim

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

#trophy-room

[mint hornet]

what's this

[light crystal]

Tempted to +13 the Hornet, but I feel I should focus working on Hiryuu's Wyvern. Eventually though, I may not even use Hiryuu on Attack anymore though, so dunno

5 AVI is definitely not worth 35 plates, so I guess we keeping it +10

I should start working on guns I think, if I plan to run double BB's

[light crystal]

It's a mike.

[mint hornet]

I thought you were anti mic's

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

I am for the most part, but they make the music pretty. Also, Aquila here doesn't get Hit buff from VV, so making up with it with mike

[elder crane]

%buff apply to equipment too so hit %buff doesn't actually make mic worse

[somber axle]

[mint hornet]

[karmic forum]

@elder crane How tanky is NJ vs. planes compared to someone like FdG

NJ random aimed barrage isn't optimal but I think that you could reasonably field a comp with NJ that can extend matches long enough to make up for the lack of preload.

[light crystal]

Her dmg is actually higher than FDG once FDG takes more dmg, has some buffs for USN, AND tanks AVI dmg better than FDG.

Which is better in the current plane meta

So like, she's currently substantially better for PvP over FDG

Which is why I plan to use her ASAP along with VV and AQL. Will probably make due with Richy until then lol

[karmic forum]

I tried FdG with preload and it struggled against stuff like old standard meta. NJ should obviously better than FdG in those matchups

The other question is how much you need to tech against torpmemes

Because I'd rather run azuma over duca

[light crystal]

Hmm, I'm thinking Duca/VV + Juneau leading should be enough?

Why

Duca has better torp and AVI EHP than Azuma lol

[karmic forum]

Azuma for the deeps

[light crystal]

Azuma only tanks HE better

Yeah, well, doesn't mean much if u can just delete Azuma with preload planes/torps anyway

Also, running Azuma without Nagato is probably a bad idea anyway

And are you gonna tel me you're going to run Nagato just so u can run Azuma?

[karmic forum]

The comp I had in mind was pretty similar to your that you posted above

Aquila/NJ/Hiryuu + Juneau/Azuma or Duca/Seattle

Not enough vg slots to go around

[light crystal]

Like I plan to remove Nagato form my current Attack fleet. And at that point, her only main strength of hitting hard will be comprimised without Nagato's Hit/Reload buffs

And u could run Gyro I guess to make up for the Hit, but like, that's gonna make her squishier against plane dmg and possibly torps

[zenith tundra]

why are u using nj there? just to use a ur ship?

what's her point?

[karmic forum]

NJ is just a tanky body for the backline who gives some AA and DR buffs

Also she theoretically has high damage

But I need to see how her barrage performs in PvP

[light crystal]

I plan to run her with Juneau/Seattle on Attack, which would make her perfect for that setup

[karmic forum]

The idea is basically try to make a stall comp work in preload meta

[zenith tundra]

to uss ships that u have none outside of juneau

[karmic forum]

Juneau + Seattle

[light crystal]

Like Zack, wur do u even run urself anyway

[zenith tundra]

ur losing a backline slot to buff juneau...

[karmic forum]

I'm not 100% convinced that the comp works

But its worth trying out

[light crystal]

NJ has alot to offer, and I got a comp for it. Now, wut are u using urself instead?

[karmic forum]

Using famine's standard preload comp as a ref, NJ would be taking hiryuu or VV's place.

[zenith tundra]

vv has preload and torp dr... why do u think nj will do much better?

and hiryuu fc is still very useful to have in most cases

[light crystal]

I also listed her strenghts: She hits harder than FDG (Once FDG takes enough dmg anyway), has better AVI staying power than her, buffs USN (Of which I'm currently using two).

[karmic forum]

I've tried the preload comp and VV's preload doesn't matter in many matchups (admittedly it does matter in torpmemes)

You're sacrificing preload for AA and tankiness to stall matches essentially

[light crystal]

I've already switched out Shinano for AQL, and will also switch out Nagato for VV instead. At that point is just Hiryuu leftover. And for better overall synergy, I will run Richy until I get NJ going.

[zenith tundra]

idk my seattle never had problems survive without nj

[karmic forum]

vanguard DR isn't as important since seattle is very tanky already as you've said

[light crystal]

My Seattle is also very tanky overall. And if I can improve her tankiness further, along with bringing a heavy hitter such as NJ, I will take it lol

[karmic forum]

She does make the comp overall more tanky by offering AA though

[light crystal]

I'm actually surprised how well Seattle has been treating me for these past 4 months

[zenith tundra]

it's 130% eff. no matter the aa stat is not much damage to planes

definitely not juneau/seattle/sandy anyways

[karmic forum]

Someone can run the numbers on her own eHP vs. planes

If the experiment fails then its back to torpmeme preloads

But experimenting with new comps is the fun of PvP

[zenith tundra]

it won't really matter imo because as soon as vg dies she blows to bombs/torp anyways

[karmic forum]

That vg won't be dying anytime soon

*unless torpmemes but what comp doesn't struggle vs. torpmemes

[light crystal]

Juneau/DCP already tanks torps really well tbh lol

[zenith tundra]

so why not just run vv that also helps vs torp? it's like saying u can run ijn then and have consistency vs everything

[light crystal]

Duca/VV will imrpove her torp tanking even further haha

I mean, I am planning on running VV/NJ/AQL like I said

[karmic forum]

I'm trying to see how much I can get away with not investing in anti-torp

[zenith tundra]

it's rng

[karmic forum]

Also I'd rather cut VV over Hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

u can get away as long as rng is on ur side

if u are unlucky u'll just lose every time

[light crystal]

Eh, I feel trying to squeeze in Hiryuu without Nagato is not really worth tbh

[karmic forum]

Hiryuu still carries when its backline v backline even without nagato

[light crystal]

R u putting ur Hiryuu top or bottom btw?

[karmic forum]

Always top

[light crystal]

[zenith tundra]

i would put her bot vs torp tbh. they seem to go down more then going top

her fc vs torp early means free win because ur vg will be full hp

[karmic forum]

I'm running torpmemes myself so its not as big of a consideration

[light crystal]

I mean, if anything, she being bottom and slurping the torps might be more benefital, if ur worried over torps.Cuz then she can tnak them, and possibly get healed back by say Juneau later

[zenith tundra]

ur trying to make a stall comp so i thought u use stall

[karmic forum]

I'm waiting on my second wyvern before switching comps.

[light crystal]

Yeah, u dont wanna mix and match and putting torp burst too much if ur going for longer battles

[karmic forum]

Also still testing the torpmeme comp on offense kinda

[zenith tundra]

2nd wyvern is another 2 months for me

[light crystal]

Offense is kinda iffy, cuz Defense torps are better

[zenith tundra]

is it consistent on offense?

[karmic forum]

Much more consistent than before

Since aquila reveal makes torps home in on backline

[light crystal]

Torps? I dunno. I've tried it, it's good enough it seems, but sometimes they just die too easily cuz they didn't enough dmg due to bad RNG

At that point u can just reset I guess

But I hate having to feel like constantly doing that all the time I get bad torp RNG

[ripe latch]

how lucky you?

count all misses

[stable dawn]

could be rudder on nugget

[candid sluice]

Beaver nugget is a thing

[zenith tundra]

that looks like a rudder proc

[elder crane]

Only lucky part is rudder proc at like 0.1% HP
Although
I never knew rudder stopped ramming dmg? Or did they miss by a hair

[candid sluice]

That definitely connected

The vg slowed down

[zenith tundra]

i don't think they actually hit it

[elder crane]

Vanguard didn't slow so much as stop

Which they do sometimes

[candid sluice]

U can see it slow down when it’s moving backwards

It got stuck on nugget

[elder crane]

Mmm
I thought rudder worked like perfect eva though?

Where ramming still goes through

[zenith tundra]

i think is more video lag

[elder crane]

Killed many an enty by ramming through lucky E in my day

[zenith tundra]

like missing frames

the only thing that should block ramming should be full invincibility aka final counter

i'll pay more attention vs enty and see if it ever happens to evade ramming

[candid sluice]

No lucky e doesn’t evade ramming dmg

[elder crane]

What about rudder though
I'm pretty sure rudder doesn't either?

[zenith tundra]

aren't they virtually the same though?

[candid sluice]

I have no clue lol

[zenith tundra]

just tested it in pve

rudder doesn't prevent damage from ramming

[elder crane]

iirc rudder lucky e and perfect evasion all work same way

yeah

so the vid the guy must have missed Nagato by a hair

[sour oasis]

Also, ramming damage never "miss"es, it just doesn't show numbers as it's absorbed.

[elder crane]

Although the misses there were from bullets anyways

[next burrow]

What’s the verdict on indekai? Has there been enough testing done on her yet?

Seems like she completes the uss cv trio?

[radiant brook]

Doubt

Pvp is still "not IJN/pasta = weak"

NJ seems to be more of a warspite replacement

USN carriers might be viable if she buffs carriers in the same team, but she dosen't

[light crystal]

The fuck?

The only relevant IJN right now is Hiryuu

And even then she's a holdover, probably not really optimal either

It's all pretty much AQL, and building a team around her

[radiant brook]

Other factions don't even have one ship that's relevant besides pasta

Or juneau

[zenith tundra]

isn't torp meme comp like 2/3 or 3/3 ijn?

or is that not meta too?

[radiant brook]

Very rng

[light crystal]

As for Independence Kai, haven't really looked into her. I guess she has better stats now, but main issue is no preload, no invincibility, no 2x damage, and rather poor TB perfomance.

[zenith tundra]

people say it's more consistent with aquila and torp are still best defense comp anyways

[light crystal]

Currently using this, and I smoke torp users and IJN meta

[radiant brook]

Optimal team seems to be VV/AQL/hiryuu, duca/noshiro/jintsuu

[light crystal]

Optimal? Hah. BS

[radiant brook]

How?

Gets hard countered by manjuu?

[light crystal]

Yes, and by VV/Duca

[zenith tundra]

people don't like torp that's how

i hate torp but that doesn't mean they are bad

[light crystal]

They're not

It's gonna fuck ppl that are still using pre-Pasta comps

So typical IJN users

[radiant brook]

We just hate them because they can lock on and instant kill a 120/200 fdg instantly

[light crystal]

Which they're still alot of

[zenith tundra]

well the main problem is that they are still irrelevant without black oxy

[light crystal]

Either way, IJN is not really top dog anymore. And torp attack has RNG issues, on top of actually having counters now as well

[zenith tundra]

there is no counter to torp though. duca still gets blown to pieces even with vv

and if they go for main nothing can save that

[light crystal]

Nice to see Duca still doing alot of dmg inspite of not running DPS build

[zenith tundra]

i use black oxy on her and at level 112 she does even 30k

[light crystal]

Bruh.

IJN top dog still, amrite

[candid sluice]

Torps are fine they just require blacktorp that not many ppl have

But Aquila is just so bullshit anything that doesn’t have her in it immediately loses

[radiant brook]

Final counter is finally not the top dog anymore?

And you could take out a IJN stall comp with pasta now?

[light crystal]

FC sucks if u kill the other two backliners before they start doing much dmg, on top of the VG

[zenith tundra]

u know there is attacker advantage right? and if i do the same i can just delete any aquila comps on offense that aren't torp... does that mean ijn is bad?

[light crystal]

Like, wut is Hiryuu going to do after 12s are up? Just die

[candid sluice]

The only fleet that really posed a threat on defense are torps and Aquila so u combine both

I can use ijn on attack and beat every single pasta fleet and other ijns

[light crystal]

Well either way, IJN is not the only meta atm, it can get easily countered

[candid sluice]

Doesn’t mean they’re garbage

[zenith tundra]

i can delete eri uss fleet so easily it's a joke even with ijn but he keeps posting how he deletes stuff on offense... it's just how it works

[candid sluice]

Hell I’m using triple carriers and still beating pasta lmao

Preload airstrike does a lot of damage who wouldn’t thought

Now wait till they give ijn preload

[light crystal]

I wanna change Richy with NJ. In the meantime, I'm going with this low RNG comp. Tanks Airstrikes, tanks torps. And u just pummel them instead.

[zenith tundra]

i still feel like ijn is more consistent vs everything but torp then any aquila comp

[light crystal]

I feel IJN meta was dull. Need to keep doing more testing with my current setup

So far so good tho

[zenith tundra]

is aquila meta not dull? how is it interesting?

just wait for everyone to use aquila torp comp after black oxy rerun and it'll get just as dull

[next burrow]

But she does?

[radiant brook]

Her buff is cross fleet

Not in the same team

[next burrow]

It’s both

[light crystal]

AQL is not dull, because she brings BB botes back in action, so the exact opposite lmao

[zenith tundra]

that was related to nj not independence

[radiant brook]

She does buff her own FP if she has one USN ship in the team, so Juneau can do it

[next burrow]

Yea I’m talking about indekai here

[radiant brook]

Yeah I was talking about NJ buff

[light crystal]

It feels great being able to use BB's effectively again

[radiant brook]

I did say NJ replaces warspite and not nugget/vv

[next burrow]

Ok, seems like it was a misunderstanding

[light crystal]

Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu =

[next burrow]

But I don’t intend to run nj at all if that clears it up

[zenith tundra]

perseus did the same. just people didn't run her

i used perseus bb comp for an entire season

it was better then ijn mirror without wyvern tbh

[next burrow]

Do people run aql now like how they sometimes run hiryuu

[light crystal]

Well, already answered you. Indekai's main issues are: No preload, no invincibility, no 2x damage, and bad TB performance..

[next burrow]

Aka “shove her into everything”

[radiant brook]

Preload reveal cuts a lot of dmg from the opposite team

[zenith tundra]

ijn comp is the only non aquila so yeah?

[light crystal]

So while the Refit might've made her easier to use, she's still far form optimal

[next burrow]

Oh, my bad. Probably missed it

[zenith tundra]

but hiryuu is still best 3rd imo for pasta

[light crystal]

Unless IA is released with some sort of broken skill that speeds up USN airstrikes, or straight up gives them Preload, then USN CV's are lacking in the current meta.

I have a feeling that IA will be a very strong USN CV buffer, gonna have to wait n see on that tho

[radiant brook]

Are BBs that aren't VV/richy/nugget unviable in pvp?

IA?

[light crystal]

NJ

NJ is defo viable

[radiant brook]

Isn't warspite less viable than before now?

[light crystal]

Iowa

[zenith tundra]

maybe ws with aquila, i never bothered trying bb in a while

[radiant brook]

And using her requires Aquila/Percy to reveal

[light crystal]

I tried for fun Perseus and WK. It can work, but not too optimal and reliable

I haven't tried with AQL. But meh. Rather use NJ, Richy and VV lol

[candid sluice]

Does +13 457 warkai sink nano before launch

From my experience warkai doesn’t do shit

[radiant brook]

Probably will if she dosen't aim anyone else

Mine already does with champy gun

[light crystal]

I know for a fact that was a thing before Stealth. To the point I had fucking Hiryuu tank WK

[radiant brook]

Getting her to aim at nugget/nano 3/3 times is the hard part

[light crystal]

But dunno, nowadays doesn't feel as consistent?

[candid sluice]

I can sink with a +13 champ hpfcr but it’s incredibly inconsistent

Wouldn’t wanna rely on that

[light crystal]

Also, WNT is a thing

[candid sluice]

And now meta is just if it’s not preload or fast load it’s too slow

What battleships are u even using? Preload and fastload ones

[light crystal]

If someone's using WNT, would make it harder for WK to snipe off a target

[candid sluice]

Richy vv

[zenith tundra]

slow doesn't really mean bad unless u are a last 5 min sandbagger

[light crystal]

That said, I have this feeling people are using WNT less and less

[zenith tundra]

it's pretty much irrelevant for normal people whatever ur slow or fast if u can win

[candid sluice]

If you’re not a 5min bagger then it doesn’t even matter anyways lol

[light crystal]

Ew

[candid sluice]

U have all the time in the world to test your luck

[light crystal]

5m bagger. I've learnt from lesson to be a 10m bagger at most. Fucking Emu takes so long to load a battle, on top of some PvP battles being sluggish due to all planes/torps on screen.

Then there's also the possibility of needing to reset on top

[candid sluice]

Yeah I do 10min as well

Loading screens take forever

[zenith tundra]

dunno i pushed last eos with ijn in the last 12 min from 10/10 and ended 3 mins before reset

i had like 1 free fight but still

[light crystal]

Sometimes got to pull my phone cuz phone usually has no issues with loading

But still, I don't like to cut it too close

[next burrow]

Ok noob question, is it better to set up a strong or weak defense fleet?

I’m reading some ideas that a weak defense is actually better since you want to be low

[radiant brook]

Weak

They will crush your defense anyways

Might as well give them an easier time

[zenith tundra]

it's more of a server thing so 1 person doesn't change much but weak defense allows more people to push so a higher score for people that sandbag, while a stronger fleet can wall people that cannot do pvp consistently, forcing them to lower ranks

[light crystal]

Nah, make their life hell

Fuck sandbaggers and casuls

Even tho am bagger myself

[zenith tundra]

sandbagger usually have strong fleets to prevent others from easily rushing later then them and getting bonuses

[karmic forum]

It doesn't matter in most cases. Theoretically the play (if you're sandbagging) is to set a weak defense in the first week of a season and switch to a strong fleet in second week.

[next burrow]

Hmm... interesting how both can work...

[next burrow]

That makes sense

[light crystal]

Remember when players using meta comps were bitching about pasta comps smoking them? Well, that's why I strive to make good comps, to force eventual resets from people and frustrate others with lol

[crude mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLCbTeIdJxI

torp on offense is bad

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't that be theoretically more per reset base, like you want weak fleet early in reset and strong the last hour?

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/klee-genshin-joy-gif-18876843

[karmic forum]

Replace jintsuu or noshiro with naganami and that is the optimal defense comp.

[midnight heron]

nice time to use preload so i can put more lvling ships kek

[zenith tundra]

i tried that with low level vv and duca (both around 100) and by 1050 i was already forced to swap them out vs meta stuff

[next burrow]

Well if that is optimal it just proves that defense doesn’t matter

[karmic forum]

It never did matter

[next burrow]

But maybe it does for the newer players

I only don’t face problems now because I’ve already got the gears up

[karmic forum]

Newer players get walled by lots of defenses

[zenith tundra]

u kind of want new players out of list asap tbh

i hate early season when people under level 80 can end up not moving

[next burrow]

Oh yeah that’s annoying

[zenith tundra]

and only having like 2-3/4 people that can give bonuses is also not great

[next burrow]

Hmm, atm my defense is the same as my offense

Enty, helena and sandy seem useful (and annoying) enough for defense

Wonder if replacing essex for hiryuu would actually be better

Or like, pow lul

But I just enjoy her preload mk7 being annoying sometimes

[zenith tundra]

i always use strong defense. i always prefer when u can actually see how ur fleet does vs good stuff and maybe change setup based on opponent, it really just helps for when you actually have to defeat opponents for bonuses or end of reset push especially towards eos

[light crystal]

I can run torp meme IJN comp + AQL, but eh.

I've opted to mirror my defense to my current attack

[sour oasis]

It's really hard to take on all these oathed meta without gems. 🎲

[zenith tundra]

isn't pvp like the only place where oath rings even make any difference?

[sour oasis]

Maybe EX?

But this is assuming one whales for PvP

[zenith tundra]

maybe if they aren't level 1 units

[sour oasis]

Love vs Oath is closer to "60:40" which, while still an attacker advantage, is very dicey.

[next burrow]

I just happen to like ships that I use in pvp so I don’t hv to think about it

[sour oasis]

I would like to figure out a more rock-paper-scissors single d9 approach rather than this bag of d20s.

But I get that PvP is for "high rollers".

Game needs something to always be "beyond endgame".

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/848453230128398376/video0.mov

[naive dome]

naval treaty is pretty much a must against pasta team

[sour oasis]

Is there a stall/tank vanguard counter to them? I've been using torpedo variants and while the reloading every 15s is bearable, if it can be avoided, all the better.

[ripe latch]

oath fleet vs non-oath

so video 🚮

[elder crane]

Vs nontorp just run standard setup
Vs torp, gotta go for that torp immunity basically
Or stacking torp damage reduction
Is not a perfect counter at all but it helps
The full counter is to preload their ass with your main fleet in return

After running into good versions of each team
CV comp with Sirius Potter Azuma has more issues vs normal comps than preload/torp comps :PortDoll:
Those you can preload them to death more than they can do to you
Namaryuu though is somewhat a struggle to kill them fast enough

[sour oasis]

Might be that I still run +10 planes, but I find preloaded TB and DB (and the Richelieu barrage) kind of dicey as a counter to a serious pre-load defender.

[elder crane]

Guns idk about but Percy+Aquila with Sirius+Potter consistently murders torp vanguards while with Azuma not dying to the preload
Hiryuu for safety net
But yeah possibly +10 planes, I've one each +13 on wyvern, helldiver, hornet

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/837227892630093864/ezgif-4-d857130effb0.gif

[next burrow]

Bois

Triple sexy bofors or 2 sexies + 1 roomba (on jun)?

[crude mortar]

whats your vg

[candid sluice]

Ya depends on vg

[elder crane]

Roomba on Juneau?

that can't be right

[candid sluice]

You’d have to be using sandy chesh to put roomba on jun

[next burrow]

I’m using jun helena sandy

I honestly don’t know if we want more range or rld

[elder crane]

are you already shooting down planes?
range > *damage
are you not shooting down planes in the first place?
damage > range

reload only matters in context of range for the most part

113 is actually more likely (by a hair) to get off 2 AA tick per plane since the extended range more than offsets the slower reload

[next burrow]

Hmm for this part I actually need to test and see what’s going on

[next burrow]

I see

[light crystal]

Running +13 Sex Bofor on both Juneau and Seattle, with Yamato Accelerator on Seattle's 2nd slot. On Duca I also got a Sex Bofor, but a STAAG would also be ok.

Either way, Seattle allows for wiggle room for an Accelerator + damage. Otherwise I'd just mix and match between Sex Bofor and STAAG

[elder crane]

esp in PvP not much point in accelerator if there isn't a much weaker slot

[next oxide]

hello guys, so whats the impact of NJ and the new UR gun?

[candid sluice]

NJ hasn’t been fully tested out to have a definite answer, but the gun definitely impacts mostly on ships with preload/fastload aka richy vittorio

[light crystal]

NJ has the kit to be really good. Obviously, needs the right team to shine the most.

As for MK7. It's great at +13, but requires 300 plates for that. I suggest prioritize +13 a Monarch gun instead in the meantime, and slowly save for +13 Mk7 over time

[candid sluice]

Don’t even bother with +13 monarchgun tbh

Just put those plates into mk7

[light crystal]

Monarch +13 is perfectly fine. I rather have something I can use right away, then a sightly better purple Mk6

Not saying +13 Mk7 is inferior, but while ur saving the plates for it, wut r u going to use in the meantime?

[candid sluice]

Mk7 beats +13 monarch at +10 so it doesn’t even matter

[light crystal]

Who told u that

[zenith tundra]

except it doesnt

[candid sluice]

Hey I’m just saying what gph told me

[zenith tundra]

anyways the big problem with mk7 it's that's a slight upgrade

for triple the plates

and as a rainbow gun means we won't get anything better for years

which is sad

[light crystal]

+10 Mk7

+13 Monarch

[candid sluice]

Go yell at #gameplay-help not me

[zenith tundra]

depends on the ship they did the math tbh. heavy barrage ships will benefit more from fp then extra mg damage

[candid sluice]

How much coeff does +13 mk7 get

[light crystal]

+13 Mk7 is where's at. U only need, wut was it again? 365 plates iirc lol

[zenith tundra]

like on nj +10 mk7 should be better then +13 monarch because 100% barrage and strong

360 total iirc

[light crystal]

I honestly plan to use 457 on my NJ when I begin using her

She's not preload, so she's gonna shooting the backline anyway. And 457 also relaods pretty quickly, allowing her to spam more barrages

[zenith tundra]

idk about ap in pvp but 457 is definitely miles better then mk7 on nj

[candid sluice]

Why u use He on nj anyways

[zenith tundra]

as i said ap in pvp is really sketchy

[light crystal]

Depends. If shooting Medium/Heavy, it's better than HE

[candid sluice]

It’s for hitting backline

Preload fastload want he cus they shooting vg

[zenith tundra]

u don't have a guaranteed to hit backlines

even without stealth around barely ws was using ap in bb era

[light crystal]

Eventually, I plan to put a +13 Mk7 on VV. She has 80% faster first salvo, so she can make use of the gun the best

[candid sluice]

Does burn dmg rly outdmg AP by that much

[zenith tundra]

burn damage is not affected by any pvp modifier

[candid sluice]

So a mk7 does more than 457?

[zenith tundra]

raw damage on non light maybe not but with the chance of hitting vg it's a better choice

[light crystal]

I dunno. If it burns for long enough, maybe? Either way, burn stops hurting at 1 HP iirc

So not exactly the best at finishing stuff

[zenith tundra]

there usually are planes flying around to kill backlines and vg still shoot bullets

i wouldn't say that 1hp is burn problem more then you usually don't get to apply it early enough for it to matter without preload

maybe with her barrage nj can make ap work anyways but if he portion doesn't target vg or just misses she might be in a position where she won't do all that much damage if all shoots go for vg

it just becomes more rng that u want

[candid sluice]

I’ve personally survived on 1hp while being burned a lot of times

[zenith tundra]

with ap it would be the same if not even more hp

[next oxide]

I just scrapped my +10 monarch gun.......oh well.

[zenith tundra]

nothing lost tbh

[next oxide]

Whats the most cancerous teams right now on high lvl ranks?

[zenith tundra]

you don't really use many he guns usually and mk7 will most likely be the 1 triple u'll use the most

torpedoes

• aquila

[next oxide]

Torps are my weakness......any recommended ships.....aside from jeanu with orb + damage control team?

[zenith tundra]

depends on who u have. general stalling meta is juneau azuma + duca or seattle (there are other choices but those 2 are the best imo)

[next oxide]

Im surprised to see duca name there O.O
Will power up duca 1st and give it a shot. Thanks for the reply.

[zenith tundra]

duca is used generally with vv aquila comp but she can work as a solo torpedo meme if u have black oxy and hms torp

[next oxide]

Hms torp?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/533mm_Quintuple_Torpedo_Mount_Mk_IX

[next oxide]

Gear lab I presume? Why that when I can use the 4 tube SE one?

[zenith tundra]

idk which one i mean with se but the linear pattern with homing is broken, especially with aquila desthealthing cvs, it either nukes vg or backlines pretty much

my level 112 duca with juneau azuma reaches even 30k damage

she's a lot stronger if u use full torp comp but i don't have more black oxy

[candid sluice]

You use the straight hms torps over magtorps if you have blacktorp aux because the spread pattern allows for more consistent and focused dmg

[next oxide]

I was talking about this one

[candid sluice]

Again the spread is main selling point

[next oxide]

I guess I need to farm OPsi again for hms torps.

Thanks for the insight.

[zenith tundra]

yeah u don't hit too much of that and it's inconsistent anyways because of the spread

[candid sluice]

And it’s more spread out dmg that can be shrugged off

[zenith tundra]

u really need black oxy to make straight work, without i'd rather use any mag ones

[next oxide]

I only have one black torp.....gotta wait for the rerun.

[zenith tundra]

yeah i'm in same position

[light crystal]

Honestly, torps have become easier to deal with now

[midnight heron]

so is this a legit comp

[coral wren]

you don't really need perseus

you're better off replacing her with warkai or NJ

aquila by herslf is enough to destealth the enemies

[light crystal]

He's going for burst damage with the preloads

It's a strat, but has high RNG cuz of PErseus

[elder crane]

Percy in a full preload comp w CV boosters is actually kinda legit
It struggles vs survivability focused vanguard somewhat but absolutely dunks on torps

Torps can still do bullshit torp things but gives them the minimum chance to do so and wipes their ass quickly

[light crystal]

U do need double Wyvern to make it viable tho. The comp itself looks legit, but the levels on the girls lead me to believe they may not have the right gear

[elder crane]

Yeah ignoring anything else, levels means no good right now if you have lv120 options

I assume is future plan though

[midnight heron]

[coral wren]

I meant you don't need perseus to de-stealth

if you're going for the damage then sure, see above

[midnight heron]

yea its future plans im testing them out

[sour oasis]

Is there a preload team that could still work with poverty (non-UR) gear?

[elder crane]

Richi VV then and just eat the weakened Aquila

Probably

[sour oasis]

Ugh, I need gold plane plates. Think I only have a Sea Hornet, a Helldiver, and a Junkers to +13. These things eat plates like candy.

[light crystal]

Azuma just evaporated...

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[elder crane]

Yep, that's the intent

[light crystal]

Well, I'm using stall VG tho

[elder crane]

Although Azuma in particular annoying sometimes

And ykkz, just as always

Not like you have BB boost options

Only other choice would be torps, which is, errr

Idk about that one boss

[light crystal]

It's come to the point that I see all IJN comps as easy wins now

I wanna see performance against similar style comps tho

[crude mortar]

ijn comp always an easy win

[elder crane]

I mean nothing changed almost all is food anyways
You'll want to hold off judgement until vs the known best teams

Honestly is less IJN comp being particularly food and more that everyone and their mother runs it and 99% of ppl have trash equipment

[light crystal]

Well, the one thing I like about this Attack is that u feel you're in control

[elder crane]

Super fast yeah

No more 1 min+fights

[light crystal]

No RNG with WK, no torps at all (Fucking Duca does magic with quint mags)

[elder crane]

No more sitting around 20 s doing nothing

[light crystal]

I don't mind long fights as long as u win them most of the time

[crude mortar]

boring pvp patch

cant stalled shit out of people

[elder crane]

Weeeeell

[crude mortar]

uncivilized patch

[elder crane]

If you do the right tech

Can stall a team

[light crystal]

I want consistency over prospect of reset. Well either way haven't needed to reset, outside resetting on same guy multiple time sjust to test out (After I've made sure I was gonna win ofc)

[elder crane]

Not all teams

Like run speedy bois vs BB preload
Or AA bois vs CV preload

[light crystal]

Like if I see there's a good team to test it out against, I do retry multiple times for testing purposes, and I like the performance. My VG has yet to fully die I think 🤔

I've lost one of the backliners here and there, but never more 2

[crude mortar]

washinton server

[flint sun]

If I have no taihou or shinano for PVP but I have nagato, do I stick with enty and hiryuu or go back to warspite?

[ripe latch]

nagato ws kai hiryu

[elder crane]

Do you have italians? Would rec that instead

[flint sun]

aquila and stuff?

fr theyre pvp meta?

I use helena, yuki and juneau in vanguard

[crude mortar]

french ships tier0

else tier1

[flint sun]

so instead of enty and yuki, use aquila and duca or somethin?

helena is sometimes RNG but she really does a lotta work sometimes

[crude mortar]

do you have vv

[flint sun]

yes but I hear she's meh in pvp so I use nagato + Hear You

I have all of them

[crude mortar]

who told you that

gph?

[flint sun]

I dunno I just hear that the most

not specifically to me

[crude mortar]

@elder crane

enlightening this poor soul

poor soul need your salvation

[flint sun]

[flint sun]

jusus

[elder crane]

@flint sun
IJN old meta
All about the preload these days

Mostly centered around Aquila tbh

But VV/Duca is good too

[flint sun]

swap enty with aquila then, at the very least?

[elder crane]

Aquila preload+dmg boost just broken af
Even wthout VV she does Nano levels of damage since matches too short for Nano to exceed
And destealth opponent

[flint sun]

tho enty does come in clutch with that invincibility

[elder crane]

And with mk7 that's a boost to VV
Although you really want HPFCR on her and idk if you have one

[crude mortar]

[flint sun]

so swap enty yes yes?

[elder crane]

Would probably swap Nagato tbh

[flint sun]

so all cv??

Hiryuu enty aquila, never tried all cv

[light crystal]

Do u have Richy?

Might wanna swap out Enty for Richy

[candid sluice]

Triple cv is fine if u have wyverns

[crude mortar]

*triple wyvern

[candid sluice]

Triple cv is implying triple wyvern

U have trip wyvern?

[light crystal]

I have trip wyvern

[sour oasis]

3 CV isn't bad if you don't have three wyverns; it's not great (your vanguard dies your backline is almost always dead), but it's not a bad alternative.

Watching a bunch of Ryusei swarming slower enemy vanguard is kinda neat. Often Sometimes pointless, but kinda neat.

[flint sun]

Definitely not lol. take into account my fleet that I said above

doesn't seem like the fleet of someone with wyverns does it xD

[candid sluice]

I mean if u have Aquila you’re already set

She’s so incredibly busted and works in any fleet

[flint sun]

aquila over enty?

pog

[crude mortar]

enty deal x2 dmg

aquila launch airstrike twice before enty launch

and kill enemy vg and enemy deal less dmg

does that make sense to you?

[candid sluice]

Ya why deal 2x dmg when u can launch twice

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-chef-its-raw-hells-kitchen-the-flavors-are-there-gif-15204016

[candid sluice]

Also reveal enemy carriers while ur at ut

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-shit-gif-16058096

[crude mortar]

just use both

kill their vg with aquila and nj

and laugh at them resetting vs enty

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-oh-dear-gif-9001372

[elder crane]

oh no it's much better than that

Aquila preload strike guaranteed unspotted

[flint sun]

Currently thinking about doing either:
Nagato, hiryuu enty
or
VV, aquila and enty

[elder crane]

second with Hiryuu over Enty is actually a meta setup

[flint sun]

:0

I also got 2 NJ's, but idk if a USS fleet is good for pvp

I doubt*

[candid sluice]

Yes use the second fleet

[elder crane]

Nagato these days only good as buff stick for Nano pretty much

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/849114924776030258/aquila.gif

[spring kestrel]

can nj replace anyone?

[timid current]

depends who youre using currently

[candid sluice]

She doesn’t do anyone’s job better if that’s what u mean by replacing

[light crystal]

I would say she's a better FDG, with more synergy with ships

[karmic forum]

too early to say, wait for people to actually test her

[light crystal]

Well, early assessment is that she can replace FDG

But using the word replacement is misleading 🤔

[karmic forum]

I don't really see any FDGs around, not in serious comps at least

But yeah she compares well to FdG in current meta

[light crystal]

That's what I meant, it's hard to use the word "replace". It's more like certain ships stop being good in a meta, so they get less use

For example, people not using Azuma as much because she doesn't fare well in CV/Torp meta, wouldn't mean she got replaced by anyone.

[karmic forum]

Current meta preload backlines use Aquila/VV/Richy/Hiryuu/Percy

Shes most likely to take slot 3 in that comp along with Aquila/VV

At least thats where I'll be testing her in

[light crystal]

Switch with Richy at best. Tho I'm sure some would try AQL/Richy/NJ and such

[karmic forum]

VV is just better than richy imo

[light crystal]

I honestly think VV and AQL together are in a good place, so it's more who can better build a team around them, and Duca

[karmic forum]

Unless you don't run Duca but not imagine not running duca

[light crystal]

Richy and AQL combo is pretty good ngl

[crude mortar]

are you sure you gonna run nj over vv

[light crystal]

Duca is a good place, yeah. Excellent all-rounder

[crude mortar]

nj side gun dont do shit unlike vv

[light crystal]

I wouldn't I would just switch out Richy, personally

[karmic forum]

I'll test Aquila/VV/NJ, Aquila/NJ/Hiryuu, Aquila/Richy/NJ

[light crystal]

I would still like to keep VV cuz of 80% faster reload on first shot, barrage, 20% torp dmg debuff, makes AQL hit harder, and Duca do more DMG

In my case, as I use Seattle and Juneau, I think NJ would be great for my team.

[crude mortar]

you need to set a goal befor using a ship tho you cant just slap in randomly and hope it work

[candid sluice]

The goal is to fuck shit up lol

[crude mortar]

i run nj cuz

1. i need 15% aa buff for vg to clear all the plane cuz it usually live low health
   2.i use her to pressure their vg if they run torp without speed then i win at 20
   3.i need extra a bit burn dmg at 10s to clear all vg and enty aquila end the game anyway
   4.shes tanky af cuz she had like 600 aa

and side gun to clear anyway

else i would've use other

[light crystal]

I sorta wanna try Sanfran too, I think she could be interesting. But no rush, I'll take my time on her

[crude mortar]

sanfran 15% slow

[karmic forum]

CA in PvP lul

[crude mortar]

are you really gonna use her

she squishy af

[light crystal]

Have u looked at her kit? Well, just running her by herself would be quesitonable

But I wanna try: AQL/VV/NJ, Sanfran/Juneau/Duca

Could be nice

[crude mortar]

are you sure you gonna run ca in pvp

68 evasion 26 speed mean

[karmic forum]

Yeah I did, I think you're too focused on the DR

[crude mortar]

if you run bouler + rudder mean your vg still too slow

[light crystal]

Huh?

[crude mortar]

if you run double boiler mean you gonna get fucked by air strike and torp anyway

are you sure you gonna run ca in pvp

she might be usable in future but not this meta

if lv 125 fix the ca hp problem in pvp then maybe but right now its about preload strike and torp

[karmic forum]

Oh nvm are you planning on runner her middle?

[crude mortar]

midium armor vg is already cursed

it mean you take infinite dmg of torp and san fran had shit evasion and speed

even azuma melted this patch are you sure you gonna run sun fran?

[karmic forum]

All modes of her second skill offer something interesting but you're still fielding a medium armor CA with not much AA

Gun-focused as well

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699919406544715806/847867038130634812/murmansk.gif

*san

sanfran had around 6s main gun reload if using rainbow gun,the game start you shooting twice,she need 8 shot.
assuming you always hit enemy with main gun every 6s and not get cucked by CA gun angle then she gonna slow at 18

but in reality she get cucked by gun angle alot

so her slow proce around 20-22++

are you really gonna run ca

if rng not on your side her slow might proc at 24+

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514333481061449729/849058805471117312/image0.gif

[light crystal]

Ok, here's the deal: Sanfran, lead (Rudder/Bulge). 5120 HP, 68 EVA (But 117 with +13 Rudder), Medium armor, 75 Luck. 20% less all damage taken, + 20% less torp from bulge, + 20% less torp from VV, +8% less torp from Duca. Speed is irrelevant, shouldn't be taking that much damage from planes and torps, just mostly BB shelling.

[crude mortar]

she is going to take alot of dmg

you can try

[karmic forum]

Wdym not much damage from planes

[crude mortar]

^

[karmic forum]

Everyone gonna run Aquila at least

[crude mortar]

she had

unless your AA is like 600++ you gonna take tons of dmg

[light crystal]

Are you insinuating the whole DD and CL PvP debuffs would offset her otherwise staying power?

[crude mortar]

cuz cl dd

light armor

and high evasion

and high speed

medium armor is a curse

are you sure you gonna run medium armor vg

with shit evasion

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[light crystal]

Yes

[crude mortar]

just run azuma

[light crystal]

It could be fun

Fuck no, she has it worse lmao

[crude mortar]

both are worst right now

hope lv125 fix pvp

[light crystal]

It wont

[crude mortar]

how do you know

[light crystal]

Azuma has poor AA, and 0 Luck

[crude mortar]

100 to 110 and 110 to 120 changes pvp alot tho

hope 125 do something

[light crystal]

I'm not sure about how Large Cruiser fares in the PvP formula, if she's treated as a CA

[crude mortar]

no

[timid current]

whoah hold wtf is this

[light crystal]

But it sure looks like it

[crude mortar]

its spagetti code

ca dont get buff or shit in pvp

i mean

cb

cuz dev forget azuma exists

dev forgot pvp exists

they pretending to remember by adding wnt and shit

if they do

[light crystal]

Well, it gets updates, but not many particuraly big

[crude mortar]

why aquila exists

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[candid sluice]

Preload airstrike is balanced for pvp wdym

[light crystal]

The most relevant were the PvP items from half a year ago

And the Stealth

[crude mortar]

yep

add stealth

then add aquila

[light crystal]

Also, if they completely didn't care, they would've made it so that Stealth regens back

[crude mortar]

thats not the end

[candid sluice]

And then they made it irrelevant by adding Aquila lol

[crude mortar]

they upadte the magnet torp

now it can turn 360 degree

cuz why not

https://tenor.com/view/klee-genshin-joy-gif-18876843

[light crystal]

How is that a bad thing?

[crude mortar]

yeah boi how is it bad thing

good question

[light crystal]

Or is it good

[candid sluice]

Wasn’t that always a thing

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

no

the torp turn 360 degree

updated along with stealth patch

[light crystal]

I dont know where he's going by mentioning torps lol

[candid sluice]

Maybe it was just 180 before

[crude mortar]

yes

now its 360

[candid sluice]

God damn

[crude mortar]

it can spin

not sure why

[timid current]

realism

[light crystal]

More like gaming balance I'm sure

[crude mortar]

it doesn't seems alot but its alot

sometime you jus lost the match when magnet torp somehow decided to turn 360

and hit

it passing

the main

but it turn 360

and hit anyway

[light crystal]

If they were trying to make them so they miss less overall

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-7929301

[light crystal]

I haven't lost a match because of that

[timid current]

ive lost to 360 torp ducas

[crude mortar]

no spy in washington

spy tech > ninja tech

[timid current]

1 shotting someone in main

[light crystal]

🤔

Well either way, Imma try Sanfran for fun.

[timid current]

you gonna run her front/mid/back?

[light crystal]

I got no reason, as Id on't think it's gonna be better than simply running Juneau/Duca/Seattle, but eh, maybe there's something there

Front

[timid current]

simulate by putting azuma in front

[light crystal]

Mid is useless imo, cuz Heal is at 20s lol

[timid current]

yep

[light crystal]

Third spot, well, VG is meant to tank and stall while back does dmg, so front doing 5% more dmg doesn't seem that lucrative anyway

[timid current]

also yeah this with nj/aquila/vv is what im trying when nj is up and running

[light crystal]

Would still need to figure out placement

[timid current]

nj barrage 2nd half looks like richy so

[light crystal]

Cuz fucking VV/Nj dont need to be center for their barrages lol

Probably NJ middle cuz she best tank

Middle tends to take most dmg

[timid current]

middle you mean flag or in the fleet screen?

[light crystal]

Can make the argument that VV going down sooner is less of an issue anyway, so can stick in middle instead as well while NJ can b farming damage for longer, if it came down to that

Flagship, yes

[timid current]

yeah i agree nj on flag

[light crystal]

I put AQL top because that seems to be the safest place, and she's the squishiest

[timid current]

also, am i missing something? the nj barrage appears to need flag for best effect

[light crystal]

No it doesnt

[timid current]

sheet

[light crystal]

It's always magical and comes from the middle regardless of position

[timid current]

the blue arrows?

[light crystal]

Yes

[timid current]

damn i guess i never tried i just assumed when i saw it
usually they put that in the desc, like for tosa

[crude mortar]

just use aquila

and spot their backline

and hope the black dragon breath hit their cv

and laugh

[radiant brook]

It's always come from the middle

[crude mortar]

gl eating 1.5k x3 hit of dmg

[radiant brook]

So USS tosa with more support skills

[light crystal]

And 150% MG Eff, and fuck ton of FP

[radiant brook]

Yeah that's just an oversimplification of NJ

[timid current]

i also think twin 457 instead of the new gun

vv with the new gun instead

[light crystal]

I also plan to do the same

But using +13 Monarch on VV for now

[timid current]

we in sync

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

Hey guys fdg bad nj good right

[timid current]

exactly

[trail temple]

I would say #ripKMS, but it's not like they're getting any worse

[light crystal]

Maybe if they get a preload CV that gets buffs form having KMS ships FDG will be good again

[worthy plank]

i finally got rank 1

thanks aquila

[ripe latch]

as example , bism buff + graf + peter oath +13 planes < shinano non-oath

[candid sluice]

Need to buff a faction? Just give em a carrier with preload

[ripe latch]

all dmg to juneau and after they died

need strong vg

[crude mortar]

give graf preload and shes ok

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/461381136661217283/746913960946565120/Graf_Chibi_VERYshook.gif

[worthy plank]

i love killing shinano before juneau

[grizzled hemlock]

is double wyvern still effective in pvp?

[ripe latch]

preload for kms 🚮

[crude mortar]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dy4y1g7XE?from=search&seid=6346273631238621087

[candid sluice]

Relying on fart cloud against preload

It’s sad that she’s unironically one of the best counters to it tho

[crude mortar]

fart meta

anything start with fart is good

[ripe latch]

just shinano eva buff 🚮

but anyway she strong without shino

[candid sluice]

Too bad smoke doesn’t protect backline

[flint sun]

ok Idk if It's just luck but aquial truly is doing a major difference in PVP, she's only lv 104 and I can beat teams with 2-3 level 120 ships

aslso whats with sutuzsuki and ayanami and stuff in PVP all the time?

[candid sluice]

Uhh what server are u on

Ayanami shouldn’t be on ladder

Also yeh Aquila is just that stupidly strong she puts in work even underleveled

[flint sun]

Amagi server

[candid sluice]

Ahh makes sense

I don’t see aya that much nowadays tho

Suzu and sandy are more common

[flint sun]

yeah I see all of them al lot

[covert swallow]

as much as I love aya, even I had to stop using her because she just dies when anything touches her

[flint sun]

lotsa souryuus too

[candid sluice]

Sandy and helena are top2 I see

But now more and more pasta ships popping up

[flint sun]

When I started using helena in PVP people kept shitting on me

in this discord I mean

[zenith tundra]

i rarely ever see any helena in any meta team

not even sure if more then 1 person actually has it on meta defense on avrora

[candid sluice]

Ya helena is just way too rng dependent

40% chance to do jack shit

And even when she does proc it’s not enough for a decisive win so is it even worth it? Lol

[zenith tundra]

with preload also by then ur team can be half dead if unlucky

[candid sluice]

Yep too slow for preload too

Paper thin no skills to help her

[candid sluice]

40% fart cloud tho

[flint sun]

So if I use yuki and juneau, would I rather use duca than helena?

vv / ws in the back

aquila and hiryuu

[candid sluice]

Yee she is good overall and goes well with vitt

[flint sun]

rip helena, used her a lot, leveled her to 115 from PVP alone xD

[zenith tundra]

duca just for vv, helena won't help as much. duca can also be solo torp meme for nukes at 10s instead of waiting for 20s for helena proc chance

[flint sun]

I used SG radar and manjuu aux for helena

I wonder if Melena will be PVP meta

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter when she procs, cv still launch at 20s to use the debuff

[candid sluice]

Helena is a good carry early on but she’s just so rng reliant and slow

Can’t hold up against preload either

[flint sun]

But she's still good in PvE bossing right?

[covert swallow]

yes

[candid sluice]

Of course

She is staple in pve bossing

[crude mortar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ms5h1IRZQrJh17BQAA/giphy.gif

[candid sluice]

In most of pve really

Never a waste to level her

Just don’t bring her to pvp

[flint sun]

Alright I'll start leveling duca d-not-ugli

btw, does she and aquila / vv have a buff triangle?

[zenith tundra]

114 duca btw

[candid sluice]

Aquila and Luigi are strong even without vitt

Vitt is there to ride the buffs and receive pseudo preload

[flint sun]

So either nagato to buff hiryuu or vv / NJ (idk just naming ships off my mind) or warspite

[zenith tundra]

if u use nagato u want full ijn backline so shinano if not she isn't worth

nj i have no clue how she is in pvp and ws doesn't seem to be that worth but never tried her with aquila

that aquila hiryuu comp seems very focused on having aquila hard carry the fight and vv is her best buffer

[flint sun]

Alright, aquila hiryuu vv it is

[bronze hedge]

what is the meta now in pvp ?

[elder crane]

Aquila torps

and counters to that for offense especially

that can still deal with Nanoryuu, ofc

[bronze hedge]

so this team?

[elder crane]

sorta like that but not that specifically

[zenith tundra]

that's stall vg with 1 torp meme

[zenith tundra]

it's something u run when u only have 1 black oxy

[elder crane]

Aquila+Duca then 2 of Naganami/Noshiro/Jintsuu

then the most reliable counter to that (or any other torpedos setup) is
Aquila + Percy + (some kind of buff/debuff)

Percy is kinda deadweight vs stall-vg though so you'll have to be careful on that (i.e. make sure your team can still reliably beat those)

[sturdy oasis]

y'all got any team recommendations for someone who hasn't really done pvp in 3 years?

[zenith tundra]

it's irrelevant how long u didn't play pvp. just make the fleet blue said

[sturdy oasis]

will level them then lol

[zenith tundra]

one thing to note about torp comp is that u need at least 2 black oxy, 3 is much better, and gear lab hms torp to make it work otherwise it's not that good

[somber axle]

Where's the mic comp? Asking for a friend.

[sturdy oasis]

Would this be a good pvp team to work on?