i want 125 cap
#pvp
crude mortar
candid sluice
This game needs more balance right? Let’s have preload carrier
crude mortar
right now
elder crane
the 4% being additive with 10% doesn't actually matter much
crude mortar
i remember
crude mortar
zack said if lv120 happen cv gonna deal pepega dmg cuz anti air scale
elder crane
it's only when you stack beeg modifiers that additive vs multiplicative matters
crude mortar
@zenith tundra
candid sluice
crude mortar
elder crane
... I said that during lv 100 -> 110 lol
candid sluice
Carriers obsolete if preload reveal is a thing 
elder crane
oh lv125, mmm not as big effect esp since stealth
if anything would just favor aquila more
over other CV
leaden sky
^
candid sluice
Wait till ijn gets a preload
crude mortar
wait til every nation had preload
candid sluice
With 4x150 tb slot
candid sluice
We need unload skill
candid sluice
All preload skills increase load times
elder crane
I called both the meta transitions for 110 uncap and 120 uncap
candid sluice
Smh yostar should hire me for game design
delicate owl
candid sluice
I would give ijn preload
flint python
idk if the new melee weapon stuff is gonna work in pvp if it ever get implemented
cinder wyvern
leaden sky
no pls dont ijn, im sick of ijn team
elder crane
inb4 it's out of left field and smol Enty meta
candid sluice
Game will balance itself out of all factions get preload preload 
candid sluice
Enty chan preload lol
leaden sky
ye double owarida to the save
elder crane
is just so RNG
leaden sky
spark galleon
One day we’ll get a preload carrier with quick takeoff skill
leaden sky
wait what if lil enty has preload + owarida
elder crane
torps especially since not only super RNG
cinder wyvern
?
candid sluice
Hi cutec
candid sluice
-50% torp dmg hidden mechanic when
elder crane
I'm pretty sure a pure torp mirror favors defense
cinder wyvern
I heard theres a momo
elder crane
it's pretty much a coinflip regardless though
crude mortar
im waiting for double sg radar
candid sluice
True it’s either u hit them or reset
elder crane
where torp offense better vs nontorp defense
but nontorp offense better vs torp defense
cinder wyvern
I pog torp meta so it good news for me
elder crane
Also I guess I'll stop calling nontorp "standard" cause it's not clearly standard anymore
light crystal
Torp meme will always be a meme in Attack
elder crane
well at least compared to the OG coinflip meta
cinder wyvern
No u
elder crane
at least torpteam is fast
cinder wyvern
Yussss
elder crane
no more 3 minutes of "OWARIDA"
candid sluice
Need stronger magnetization for torp offense
cinder wyvern
Oh goaw the 3 min battle ptsd
crude mortar
why
cinder wyvern
Which is why i never used enty in pvp... Akaga all the way till the last day cuz fk enty
crude mortar
torp on offense is already broken with aquila reveal
cuz it gaurantee hit backline now without stealth
cinder wyvern
I want manual pvp
elder crane
well not completely
cinder wyvern
elder crane
if it mags onto vanguard it can still timeout before hitting main
light crystal
cuz it gaurantee hit backline now without stealth
Are u ok? Torps always tracked Stealthed ships
crude mortar
no?
cinder wyvern
It stopped tracking recently
flint python
crude mortar
you ok?
cinder wyvern
It was tracking but not anymore after pasta
light crystal
They always tracked as far as I knew
crude mortar
no?
flint python
no , no they didn't
light crystal
So they changed that recently?
elder crane
it... never tracked?
not at least since HMS+blacktorp fix
I ran torpteam for like 1.5 months after that fix
no mag effect on stealthed ship
cinder wyvern
light crystal
But they tracked and deleted CV's just fine, post-Stealth
cinder wyvern
My life has been a lie
crude mortar
it just rng
it doesn't track
now it track if you use aquila
and guarantee delete
torp meme on offense is like
elder crane
it could have tracked with percy I guess but ehh that sounds....
crude mortar
deleting 1-2 vg with 1 backline first 5s
and laugh
and have hiyu
hiryu
how to lose?
cinder wyvern
By facing another meme
cinder wyvern
Coffee
light crystal
@trail temple Is that true?
tranquil badge
pepelaff
light crystal
I thought they always tracked, regardless if CV was Stealthed or not
zenith tundra
@crude mortar cv has been bad ever since level 120, is this stupid stealth gimmick that makes them good
crude mortar
fuck aquila
elder crane
Well
zenith tundra
do u remember every comp before stealth was just bb
elder crane
Nano was good before
every comp before Nano was all BB with occasional Hiryuu though yeah
mint hornet
warkai fdg x juneau azuma noshiro 
somber granite
So what's the basic meta setup atm? Is azuma still used?
elder crane
Nano just joined top setups before stealth
crude mortar
1 hiryu 1 aquila 1x
elder crane
stealth made that comp the meta option though
radiant brook
Shinano just happens to not get nuked by a despacito pre stealth
elder crane
So what's the basic meta setup atm? Is azuma still used?
for offense yes, but not strictly so
for defense 100% you torpmemes
zenith tundra
so what 1 broken cv means cv are viable? isn't the same as hiryuu that was just an anomaly in the meta?
elder crane
I mean
crude mortar
hiryu is an anomaly
elder crane
is not all BB viable either....
zenith tundra
u had more then 2 though
elder crane
Warkai/FdG
Amagi used because BB meta
Nagato cause IJN buff
zenith tundra
richy
elder crane
Richi was a clear step down
not by much
but still
probably more viable than third place CV though
which probably Enty? idek lol
that was just so far down
zenith tundra
so what is viable rn in pvp aquila and hiryuu much difference in between ws fdg before
same shit just few stuff viable and rest weaker versions
elder crane
but yeah 110 smacked CV to a proper place and 120 kinda killed them
zenith tundra
125 won't change a thing in meta
elder crane
rn is Aquila/Percy/Hiryuu on CV side
VV Richi on BB side
on second tier probably Nano and then FdG/Warkai
flint python
need lvl125 now for my bulins 
zenith tundra
stealth too broken so nothing will change
elder crane
125 I don't think changes team options yeah
it miiiight tone things down a bit since extra HP
or it might make things worse
cinder wyvern
Also more stats for bigger pops
elder crane
since you need torps to preload properly, possibly
zenith tundra
why is there 125 talk? did they say something?
cinder wyvern
Its a lowkey no
elder crane
no
cinder wyvern
Someone asked in anniversary q and a
flint python
they are waiting for feedback
zenith tundra
thank god
candid sluice
cinder wyvern
candid sluice
No dd buffs too lol
light crystal
I still maintain that torp meme on Attack is stupid, unless u dont mind the constant reset cuz bad torp salvos. And until I start losing to Pasta consistently, like some ppl seem to be doing, I wouldn't say Shinano/Hiryuu are bad, at least on attack anyway
cinder wyvern
No u stooopid
zenith tundra
i don't want to level up juneau another 5 levels
candid sluice
She’s good in 12-4 tho
cinder wyvern
If you keep using her in pvp she will level anyway
candid sluice
Not the hardest ship to lvl
zenith tundra
i never farm outside of events
candid sluice
cinder wyvern
Pvp fleet tech pls 
zenith tundra
pvp fleet tech will hard wall people
cinder wyvern
Thats the point
zenith tundra
if that's what u want for sure
cinder wyvern
If you don't commit, you don't climb
candid sluice
Guys look essex is getting a new skin
flint python
just want better stuff in merit shop 
elder crane
I would rather revamp PvP ladder in first place
screw all this shit about nolifing reset
zenith tundra
u know the least people can climb the less point u get
elder crane
give us semiproper MM-eque system
cinder wyvern
Trade fleet tech for triple the rate of merit cube spawning in shop
somber granite
Wyverns for merit 
cinder wyvern
candid sluice
Ya sandbag method is kinda
Also give more motivation to do pvp
Servers are dead asf
zenith tundra
they didn't put 457 and staag in proto core, why would they put wyvern in merit
flint python
imagine getting cucked by timezone and can't tryhard pvp
cinder wyvern
Oh take away the reset button in pvp
elder crane
My proposal:
+2 pt reward per match
1 pt entry cost into match
I don't think anything too hardcore would be allowed by devs
somber granite
Arcade tokens?
cinder wyvern
Ohh sounds cool
elder crane
but I think semicasual should be fine
cinder wyvern
But if they lose all points what happen?
cinder wyvern
Then they can't enter anymore?
elder crane
or that
zenith tundra
the problem still is: would a new pvp system attract new people? most likely not as most likely pvp won't ever be changed
elder crane
it would help retain older players though
cinder wyvern
Oh 1 point for entering you meant?
crude mortar
it gonna make things much more interesting
sandbagging at 5/15 or sandbagging at 10/15 or sandbagging at 15/15
elder crane
yes current system, but with bonuses revamped
is basically you get +1 bonus but lose a point every time you have to reset
flint python
time to write on #game-feedback hoping they even read
elder crane
if you want it to be extra casual friendly
crude mortar
just complain them about aquila
zenith tundra
idk what u think sandbagging at 15/15 would do when all rushers are at 0/15
elder crane
automatically exit match on loss
cinder wyvern
it screws with people that keep spamming reset for rng?
candid sluice
Sandbag is just a shitty way for leaderboards
elder crane
no ticket loss
elder crane
it screws with people that keep spamming reset for rng?
yeah, but the penalty is small so it doesn't hurt casuals
crude mortar
elder crane
just -1 pt, only hardcore players would care
flint python
I want more than 3:3 ships in pvp
zenith tundra
does sandbagging even matter nowdays? u can get top 10 with a bit of bonuses
elder crane
it matters for EoS
crude mortar
rework pvp
elder crane
candid sluice
U get bonuses thru sandbagging
somber granite
The change id want to see the most is for pvp to not be affected by timezones with resets at set hours
crude mortar
increase vg dmg reduction
zenith tundra
i got top 10 with 14 bonus points over base
cinder wyvern
Manual pvp
crude mortar
from cl 20% to 50%
candid sluice
Just balance the ships bruh
elder crane
under my proposal
zenith tundra
idk how sandbagging is relevant
elder crane
The change id want to see the most is for pvp to not be affected by timezones wi...
that's also fixed, ish
cause you can go to 0/10, since ranking doesn't directly affect your gained score
candid sluice
Hey I got 6th with 3 missed exercises
flint python
Amagi pvp
zenith tundra
pvp is so dead nowdays that anyone that doesn't miss attempts should get top 10 easily
zenith tundra
do u actually want that? i feel like casual pvp benefits everyone but eos farmers
cinder wyvern
Ded pvp for easy merit
elder crane
anyways could be like
+2 pts per match reward above current rewards
-1 pt per entry fight, maybe cap it to a max since if you reset like 3-4 times a lot you're not in the running anyways
you only use up charges on winning fight
1 pt cost for refresh or something
cinder wyvern
Points not merit?
elder crane
I meant score pts
zenith tundra
they first would need to add actual rewards to pvp. dunno if purins are that relevant outside of new players
elder crane
merit just asis or something
cinder wyvern
So you start at -1 till you win 1st match
somber granite
How about adding some rewards for defense?
elder crane
that sounds delicate
elder crane
Idc about reset
it's the sandbagging imo
just makes it a campfest
no reset would maybe be worse since more RNG
somber granite
Remove reset and give massive buffs to torps so people don't run anything else 
elder crane
better yet
cinder wyvern
Remove bonus points and reset then
zenith tundra
without bonuses everyone is at the same exact score and the fastest is always 1st
somber granite
cinder wyvern
cinder wyvern
Comunishium
elder crane
honestly maybe even
although I like penalizing less consistent teams with some pt loss
cinder wyvern
elder crane
but anyways I think the ideal system allows casuals to do well and only makes it competitive among the ppl who want to be
sharp obsidian
So... Is there an updated PvP Tier List out there?
The one in the pin is from the dinosaur era 😦
delicate owl
how about delete pvp system
no. ranked system like in dota so casuals are less likely to meet tryhards
somber granite
How do you like your pasta?
elder crane
and this meta still early stages
delicate owl
elder crane
so hard to make a useful guide
candid sluice
Without reset button pvp is just gonna be rng fest
sharp obsidian
prev meta was super static
haha hence why my PVE fleet was ok. It's been a while since there was a shake up
I remember when SoDaWa-Enty was meta
man, gone are those days
candid sluice
Helena enty torpmeme everywhere
elder crane
RNG bad basically
candid sluice
I’d rather everyone have reset button than having to deal with radar scan lucky e bullshittery
elder crane
is fine to have some
too much is no good
and since casual game too much penalty also no good
candid sluice
Being solely reliant on rng is garbage
sharp obsidian
~~and good riddance~~
Don't you miss the Owari Da duels?
elder crane
was fairly low-RNG and there were some hidden viable comps
mostly cause those didn't work on defense
sharp obsidian
Amkaga meta was pretty fun though imo
Ooo, this replaced the SoDaWa when we got Amagi before Nagato haha
seems like so long ago already
elder crane
I actually never ran WaSDA vs WaSDA, it sounds like it could be RNG but also maybe it's enough of a slugfest for it not to be
Cause I was running Hiryuu Hood Amagi back then instead
that one was nice and consistent
sharp obsidian
Change comes so randomly. It was so peaceful since Shinano launched and we entered into the Pax Shinano era
Now Aquila upended the world again....
elder crane
the thing about Nano tho
was that there was actually a lot of viable comps
just they didn't have strong perf difference so everyone just went with Nanoryuu
sharp obsidian
was that there was actually a lot of viable comps
yup, even my PVE fleets did well lol
but Aquila.... this lady...
elder crane
Mag and HMS was probably a mistake
I think that's what's causing the current issues
more than anything else
it's just too RNG
sharp obsidian
The black stick and HMS torps?
elder crane
yeah, on release it didn't work
sharp obsidian
idk why, but I only have 2 black sticks
elder crane
HMS overrode mag effect
sharp obsidian
ah alright! Seems like I should've gotten one more haha
zenith tundra
i have 1 of them and tbh even with 100 i would still stick to stall
candid sluice
Boomers talking about old meta 
zenith tundra
at the very least i don't reset because my comp trolls me
candid sluice
zenith tundra
idk what u mean by old meta when you can still win with stall...
sharp obsidian
Boomers talking about old meta <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
pre-SoDaWa was free for all meta
candid sluice
Does 6% more stats really necessary on her
candid sluice
She’s there for support
zenith tundra
i did last eos push from 10/10 in 12 mins with slow ass ijn comp without problems
elder crane
if you run into the best ones, that's not a consistent setup anymore though
zenith tundra
why would i need to have rng chuck my own fleet
elder crane
also is slow as you mentioned
candid sluice
If that 6% more torp is what you’re after go ahead I guess
zenith tundra
idk i have more success with ijn vs famine then trying to mirror it
fuck relying on bb shoots to land
i can just win with consistency on airstrikes
rather then having to hit richi/vv shells
elder crane
Percy Aquila then
crude mortar
zenith tundra
percy is so useless tho
her damage is pathetic and she can die before even a 2nd airstrike
zenith tundra
why would i use that when i can just run ijn and win
my gear is still trash and i can win with that vs top farmers, why would i need to change it to rng preload stuff
i'm not saying ijn is the best but also doesn't seem to be so gear dependent to do stuff
when i was using aquila hiryuu my airstrikes at 20 felt weak as fuck because lack of buffs
flint python
zenith tundra
not to mention that aquila does much better with torp that also are heavily reliant on black oxy to even be usable
jovial sedge
Wow this fucked... So tier lists not updated and still, even so fucking ijn on top ... I get here every other half year and nothing changes since 2019 ... And here ARk meta is so epic... But not pvp
flint python
jovial sedge
I just play for big boobs in l2 skins ... My passion for pvp died long ago
ebon kraken
flint python
jovial sedge
Somth like this or dunno
north vine
candid sluice
light crystal
jovial sedge
And maybe but tirp, ark are not so big
Also got ark bikiny too
And dido dont got l2d bikiny .. why u devs, when you are so stupidly biased on ijn already in pvp, make those bikiny rolling at least ..also shinano ... is big so .. need thay skin
And bremerton bikiny would rock too
All based on this tho im not sure i agree with all
uncut agate
north vine
candid sluice
meager valley
Hiryuu default skin makes you 30% stronger
candid sluice
Makes sense
shy hazel
flint python
light crystal
So I did some preliminary test with and without Perseu, while using mag torps. Stealthed CV's do still get hit by mag torps, but the tracking kicks in from further away if they're spotted.
Meaning, on my current Torp meme defense, I will probably switch out Shinano for AQL, and leave Hiryuu
elder crane
do they still get tracked though?
cause hit ofc they do get hit
is not an immunity or anything
light crystal
I feel they do still track, but it just feels inconsistent. It's sorta weird
But while revelaed, the tracking improves a whole lot more
elder crane
revealed it's clearly tracking yeah
but I have seen no indication that there's any tracking at all when stealthed
I've had full uninteruptted conga line go in and some hit, some just keep going straight
light crystal
Ine one test, I "deleted" both Hiryuu and Shinano on the enemy team while using Perseus to unslteath them, cuz the torps homed in from quite far back
But while Stealthed (Not using Perseus), it feels the torps need to be closer to begin tracking or some shit.
elder crane
I've deleted mid ship from torps looping around the edge tracking 
makes a full orbit basically
light crystal
So in conclusion, unstealthed CV's get hit more consistently by magnetized torps than stealthed up ones.
elder crane
that's also a thing
cause torps run out if they aren't tracking
I used to see that a lot as well
where it's clearly going towards a ship... and just runs out
without having activated tracking
tracking seems to overwrite range though
light crystal
Still working on their Affections. Haven't Awakened them cuz saving for upcoming Gacha. Currently just messing around with Duca and AQL on 7-2 for some Affection/XP while grinding coins for event
Gonna have to take out Shinano from defense and swap in AQL at least. As for Attack, not too sure actually. She's doing fine there, specially cuz not alot of ppl using Pasta on Washington anyway, and I'm not running a torp VG
In summary: If you're using any sort of torp oriented VG, running a preload CV is a must, either Perseus or AQL (Improves consistency of torps hitting)
red finch
you forgot Helena
crude mortar
pvp has evolved into aquila or bad
sour oasis
Aquila has brought back BB ships. Hope everyone got their twin 457.
Now you get to +13 it.
sour oasis
So I did some preliminary test with and without Perseu, while using mag torps. S...
Maybe stealth adds RNG% to tracking activation?
light crystal
Maybe stealth adds RNG% to tracking activation?
hollow fractal
should vv use 457 or an HE gun on a vv/aquila/percy fleet?
light crystal
he
Why not AP gun? U really need to explain it to others if they don't know
Don't be a smartass lmao
crude mortar
why ap gun
light crystal
why not AP gun
crude mortar
you wanna do 0 dmg to enemy vg?
its called common sense
if you run percy aquila it does mean you wanna kill their vg
and why would you ever run ap gun if you wanna kill their vg
<@&460646206851252224> that guy shit talking me help
hollow fractal
I'm new pls no booli
crude mortar
@golden fable
winged nymph
Okay, I don't see any "shit talking" here. Calm it down, especially with the mod pings.
Someone said they wanted you to explain your reasoning to someone who seemingly genuinely doesn't know your reasoning. That's all
crude mortar
he calling me smartass and lmao me yo
isn't that a way to pick up a fight?
@winged nymph
winged nymph
We don't consider one instance of "smartass" or "lmao" to be full blown fighting or instigating
lucid trout
Can you make sure to only ping us if so.ething actually happens tho
crude mortar
kk
lucid trout
Like legit man you're just pinging us for some real light stuff
Please make sure to only use the mod ping for actual emergencies, otherwise ping a singular mod
crude mortar
ok boss
prisma scaffold
empty grove
stable dawn
crude mortar
ripe latch
clear briar
sour oasis
Mods in the pvp channel again
To be fair they were invited.
We should have had beer and Gummi Bears.
candid sluice
The word I was thinking was “summoned” but yeah
sour oasis
should vv use 457 or an HE gun on a vv/aquila/percy fleet?
That's a lot of stealth reveal.
If you have the twin 457, it will be great at shredding the enemy backline, but then it'll overshoot the vanguard.
candid sluice
But vitt with her rld increase fires before backline gets revealed
And double preload airstrikes is vg nuke might as well contribute with vitt using he
sour oasis
Hmm, good point. But they would need a Sardenga in the vanguard for that +80% (otherwise Aquila alone just gives +40%)
sour oasis
And double preload airstrikes is vg nuke might as well contribute with vitt usin...
Does that do vanguard nuke? I tend to see the crash and torpedoes melt my backline and leave my guard alone.
candid sluice
Yea that’s assuming vitt is with other pasta ships
Which she should always be anyways
It does hit vg pretty hard yeah
sour oasis
I would like to know the equipment Perseus and Aquila would need to hit the front line hard. Is it plane or aux dependent?
light crystal
But vitt with her rld increase fires before backline gets revealed
If ur not using HPFCR, and maybe Champgun, she should fir eat the backline, even with the 80% faster first salvo
candid sluice
Wyvern wyvern
candid sluice
If ur not using HPFCR, and maybe Champgun, she should fir eat the backline, even...
How long is that load time? If over 4 secs then yeah
sour oasis
Wyvern wyvern
Isn't that more to chew up the main fleet? I don't see any wyverns really nuke my vanguard (they'll hurt, but they won't nuke)
They will crush my main fleet while my vanguard is active though
sour oasis
Yeah. I fear the crash, and that TB is mostly a backline problem. Personal anecdotal experience has my front fearing dive bombers more.
light crystal
Juneau/Seattle can tank a preload airstrike. And if Juneau scoops up most torps if any, then you're solid
sour oasis
Ah. That might be it.
candid sluice
Pers doesn’t have dive bombers
sour oasis
Right.
candid sluice
And Aquila only 120 eff on db slot
sour oasis
Hence why, to me, wyverns don't nuke my Juneau-buffed frontline (they will survive and crush my main fleet though)
candid sluice
And if I can count correctly Aquila has 2 db and 4 tb
So of course tb slot gonna be doing hella dmg
light crystal
Hence why, to me, wyverns don't nuke my Juneau-buffed frontline (they will survi...
My Juneau/Seattle helps damage the planes so they dont do alot of crash dmg to the BL tho
sour oasis
Maybe because my vanguard tends to have boilers, I don't worry as much about parallel TB. But yeah, I will not use an all-IJN vanguard against wyverns. That's just asking for death.
candid sluice
Ya tb spread can just completely miss vg too
sour oasis
Is it possible yet to fully stop an Aquila wyvern launch with enough AA?
candid sluice
Uhh I don’t think u can shoot down an entire airstrike quick enough
sour oasis
AFAIK it's not possible, but what do I know.
light crystal
U can't really down an airstrike wholy, but u can greatly diminish its dmg with enough AA
trail temple
Power of Seattle
sour oasis
With just Juneau, I can cut the pre-loaded double launch by maybe 25%; some planes just fly by without being hit while some take half damage. Adding Reno I can tag most planes, but don't really take any below 50%.
But this is all with just +10 AA and aux. How much more can "enough AA" reduce. (And what's that equipment load look like)
hollow fractal
so i should put HE gun on VV and double wyverns for percy and aquila? i saw that one pic that had the swordfish on percy for the slow but i didn't know if using that over another wyvern is better
candid sluice
If vanguard nuking is your plan, which I assume it is if you’re running Percy as well, then yes HE
U could try out 818 on percy see how that works out 100% eff tb slot on percy isn’t exactly astronomical dmg
hollow fractal
ok i'll try out the 818, should've done that before making another wyvern
elder crane
U could try out 818 on percy see how that works out 100% eff tb slot on percy is...
On the other hand it is 6 planes and crash doesn't even scale with eff
Offense 818 is 
too
Just completely whiffs like 60% of the time
candid sluice
On the other hand it *is* 6 planes and crash doesn't even scale with eff
I meant in regards to vg dmg but yeah
sour oasis
ok i'll try out the 818, should've done that before making another wyvern
Found a stealth brag 
crude mortar
hollow fractal
light crystal
Yamatagun
elder crane
Thunderer gun
sour oasis
I want UR AA <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
This
spare iron
Who would you rather have in a team, Champagne or Jean Bart? I know there are better options but can you humor me on this one?
light crystal
Probably JB? Higher alpha at least
candid sluice
Champ is paper thin and no extra gun mounts
She doesn’t get geometri can accuracy because no time slow on bb fire
So JB
sour oasis
Probably JB? Higher alpha at least
Does JB have higher alpha? Champy has preload and buffs too.
(JB does have heavier armor, more HP, and better criticals though.)
frail orbit
jovial sedge
Whats that suppose to mean? Pfarting kid?
crude mortar
elder crane
Does JB have higher alpha? Champy has preload and buffs too.
(JB does have heavi...
No MGM+1
And in PvP no benefit on first salvo
jovial sedge
Is there not a petshop team comp that can beat these zoo inhabitants?
candid sluice
Yeah I think the monke comp does well
midnight heron
just preload bruh
jovial sedge
Can you post such teamcomp?
elder crane
if you mean torpmemes, then the best answer is preload+Hiryuu and a vanguard setup that you stack survivability on
sour oasis
Richelieu, Aquila, Perseus, Ibuki, Naganami, Jintsu, and roll the 🎲 that you kill everyone in the first 29s. Then roll again so you don't die in 28s because you lack Hiryu/Manjuu.
light crystal
No MGM+1
The question from the other guy was who was better between the two, they knew they weren't optimal either way
elder crane
yes
and I argued against champ
the way champ fires (as in, no MGM+1 shots, just individual aimed shots) doesn't have a significant benefit in PvP
light crystal
I also argued against champ, JB hits harder. Champ is strictly a mobber
sour oasis
I wanted to be contrary and argue for Champagne that she can get more barrage out over time, but a cursory look (I think she needed a 6th before JB's 4th) was that "if you're in a PvP match that long, it's not going well".
light crystal
Max level strats: Be super stally with VG so Champ can win the match 
elder crane
Between her squish and also intercepting dmg from vanguard, she ain't making it past like 25 s in current meta
light crystal
We have a non-believer over here. Trust on the Baguette.
next burrow
Okay as a pow believer I’m half sad about nj, but still really fuckin excited that uss might go up the tiers in pvp
Tho idk hiryuu is still hiryuu tho
worldly cape
Ok, nothing to worry, no preload CV this event
candid sluice
Who’s ready for vitt with new he gun
worldly cape
But Ticonderoga gets a 60% damage reduction for the first 4 hits taken each battle, so idk if it's going to be impactful
flint python
No preload🚮
north vine
no preloads, must be shit 
worldly cape
Does her vg shield block torps?
Just shells
worldly cape
She has a kinda strong barrage that always crits and similar stats to FdG
candid sluice
Ehhh
worldly cape
Nothing more special, at most a +5% dmg reduction
candid sluice
I honestly don’t see much pvp potential here
Might be overseeing something but nothing outstanding imo
Disappointing
worldly cape
The new UR gun tho is going to be insane for VV
Or the usual setup is with Champagne gun?
north vine
i dont see her in pvp
half of her barrage functions like georgia barrage but +3 more splash
still tiny asf
the mk7 is pog yeh
pulsar granite
Is shinano, hiryuu, fdg a good backline for pvp
Or would i be better off doing like shinano, warspite, fdg until i have nagato
flint python
Where's your Aquila
pulsar granite
Is aquila actually good in pvp?
covert swallow
yes
pulsar granite
Ah, so should i drop the bb from my lineup then and just aquila shinano hiryuu
That sounds kinda good ngl
But also im still trying to figure out whats meta in pvp
candid sluice
Do u have the recent Italian ships?
Shinano doesn’t fit in a fast paced team like pasta
pulsar granite
Not all of them but quite the handful of them
candid sluice
The srs I’m talking about
pulsar granite
Havent leveled them yet tho
Im very behind on getting ships to 120 so ive been slowly but surely getting ships there and with them being relatively new ive just not gotten to them yet
candid sluice
Aquila vittorio with luigi in front is new meta
But if u have ijn ships more leveled use them until u level pasta ships
pulsar granite
Yeh i have shinano at 116, hiryuu 120, fdg 115, warspite 120
But i sure can level up the italians if theyre actually that good
dull hollow
vro
NJ barrage procs at 10s
isnt this gonna turn pvp upside down
depends if the AI of the barrage
has a brain or not
candid sluice
We have airstrikes that launch at 0 sec
dull hollow
if u strap fast gun on her
ur basically getting like 4 warspite barrage
at 15s
guess we will see
rly comes down to
ai targeting
and shell behavior
coz georgia does fuckall in pvp
candid sluice
Don’t matter if u lose 5 sec into battle
And ya shelling AI is braindead
Ah yes lemme shoot water
dull hollow
still tho to pump out that much damage all 100% crit by 16s assuming a fast gun
will be funny
i could see her replacing warspite
for the persues + whats her name comp
the green illustrious
candid sluice
Green lusty
candid sluice
Aquila?
candid sluice
She’s not green
candid sluice
She has no green
elder crane
ur basically getting like 4 warspite barrage
You mean less than a warspite barrage and random target where warspite barrage is not even that good to begin with?
dull hollow
the motion value is higher than warspite
elder crane
Warspite enjoys a x3 dmg boost on first barrage
dull hollow
per indivudal set
elder crane
In PvP
dull hollow
but that's assumine 6x land one target which
not sure
and she'll get 2 of the mback to back
from 10s to 16
elder crane
Yeah first of all, it's 3 and 3
And it's random targeting
And SHS pattern means if you target vanguard 90% to not hit
Also without a damage boost it's much weaker
dull hollow
i think it'll be a worthy contender for slot 3 in fast 3rd comps for 2 preload cv
candid sluice
chu smokin
U don’t see her cape in pvp screen so
dull hollow
will have to see
flint python
NJ barrage AP part is prio targeting HE is random like Howe
candid sluice
No load time reduction on NJ 🚮
elder crane
Plus by 10 s it'll be random targeting
dull hollow
i think it's default AP speed?
dull hollow
tbh hard to gauge distance since datamine uses the full zoomed view
elder crane
In any case without preload main guns she's a lost cause basically
Battle is over before second reload
So she can't catch up
candid sluice
That’s what I’m saying
elder crane
Yeah, I agree
candid sluice
Slow ass BBs
dull hollow
iunno ive never been sold by richy's preload
NJ damage seems rly loaded on her barrage and she gets 2x garnatee on her first shot
elder crane
Her barrage is literally just worse main guns
candid sluice
Would you really replace a backline slot for that barrage
dull hollow
it
elder crane
If you didn't like richi guns her barrage will only be worse since targeting by then is random
Since enemy main revealed
dull hollow
2x 100% crit rate of 2x3 180~ hitting both armor types
richy barrage does like 0 damage
elder crane
NJ barrage is basically just modified MGM+1 s
If you said you don't like main gun shelling
It's not any better lol
leaden sky
aqui + richy + vv mk7
elder crane
Anyways she has to catch up to preload ships w just her first salvo and 2 barrage
Sounds like a stretch to me
By second reload battle will be over
elder crane
Is heavy armor so plane munitions still wreck her
Stealth means AA not as effective anymore either
dull hollow
u can hide her in the top slot at least coz she's not position constraints
yah we'll just have to see
cant rly speculate much more than what ive seen
elder crane
Will probably need to or torps will kill her all the time
FdG even at least guarantees one barrage
dull hollow
i wont even be able to properly test coz
im on the boomer JP server
we have
literally 0 competitive defenses
elder crane
Okay
Manjuu lets her get off one barrage too
Anwyays the beeg takeaway here
Is that new gun
elder crane
Basically starts as a +13 monarch gun
And then you can +13 it
Reload is worse but whatever you can only count on preload anyways
candid sluice
dull hollow
i remmeber doing that with graf zepp back in the day
we were theory crafting meme damage reduction comps
this was before level uncap mind
candid sluice
What server are u on
candid sluice
Oh jp
dull hollow
yah jp is dead region
candid sluice
What’s their meta like over there
candid sluice
Is it manjuu enty CN shit
candid sluice
Oh just ded
dull hollow
there was 2 good comps
and not even
great
just "good"
not a single
3 torp front
candid sluice
So amagi server
dull hollow
using british torp + black torps
i legit
cannot test any comps meaningfully
coz the defense is all
Hood + akaga
dull hollow
the only guy who gave me trouble
candid sluice
And all pasta suck
leaden sky
dam hood+akaga basically 2018
dull hollow
was some guy with Helena + shinanoryuu
and that was because I was using Muse Lusty as a meme
once I swapped to the perseus fdg warspite comp
nothing is a problem anymore
actually i did encounter 1 aquila comp + some torpers
but they were all mag torps
so
he die
my mindsight/eval of ships is stuck in 2019 probs
coz my server is
maybe is why i think nj looks hot
kitwise
her design
leaves much to be desired
but that's a topic for another day
elder crane
Wait
I'm pretty sure
Well,
At least CN claimed
Bis FdG GZ better than Nakaga
dull hollow
i was referring to
ancient history times
before level uncap
and all we had was graf
we tried to make a funny
max damage reduction comp
we still got rolled by nakaga
actual "meta" ironblood
these days w.e that means
yah i could see it
sharp obsidian
New Rainbow Gun is anti-Light. Think it will have a place for VV?
candid sluice
Rip to those who +13 multiple monarch guns
zenith tundra
even one is a rip
sharp obsidian
zenith tundra
is not like u use that many he guns at 1 time
sharp obsidian
NJ Barrage at 10s - can match with AQ and VV timing 😮
zenith tundra
a barrage is still a barrage, can't match shelling
candid sluice
Barrage stick for pve but no preload in pvp is
zenith tundra
what is 2nd skill supposed to be? i'm so confused as to why does she has so much support for other fleet
sharp obsidian
Barrage stick for pve but no preload in pvp is <:YorkBruh:588629709328482325>
Sigh... Yes yes, rushing VV and Aq to 120 Oath already in this event... 😦
candid sluice
Good decision
sharp obsidian
Thank you Nanoryuu for the last 6 months
candid sluice
Too bad I can’t join the hype train cus fucking Aquila is a bitch
sharp obsidian
So far, I've only seen 1 person on Lexi with the Italian Comp on Def
So I think I have enough time before the Preload Meta fully sets in
zenith tundra
i wish you could run vv without duca more easily
sharp obsidian
I do wonder how Manjuu will shake up the new Preload Meta 😮
candid sluice
By adding preload to everyone
sharp obsidian
What can possibly be stronger than preload?
zenith tundra
more preload
sharp obsidian
It was ok before with just Riche / JB, it was more meme than anything
but Aq and VV coming solidified preload
sharp obsidian
more preload
😮
Haha, so we'll come to a point wherein Preload Ship = PVP fleet, any non-Preload Ship = PVE Fleet
candid sluice
Un preload or vg immunity skill
sharp obsidian
Un preload or vg immunity skill
Eldrige Retrofit giving Rainbow prot for first 10s?
zenith tundra
i wouldn't be surprised if that would be a thing in the near future considering how things are going
candid sluice
There’s gotta be vg immunity if all these preload shits keep going
sharp obsidian
Hopefully, the Preload Meta lasts till the end of the year
Otherwise, I'm going to be burning cash on more rings again
So many girls need rings
zenith tundra
at this point only a heavy torp nerf could change meta if at all
sharp obsidian
Stale meta is best meta
candid sluice
-50% torp dmg hidden mechanic
sharp obsidian
good for the wallet
I loved the Amakaga era - it was fast paced. The we went slow battles again. Now we're at Preload which is even faster.
zenith tundra
i prefer slow meta without rng then fast meta where u need to reset because ur own fleet is fucking you
candid sluice
Same
sharp obsidian
i prefer slow meta without rng then fast meta where u need to reset because ur o...
Preload seems relatively stable though
zenith tundra
nothing is stable vs torp, you can just reset at any given time
sharp obsidian
I'll come back to that in 1 weeks time when VV, Aq, and Duca are all 120 Oathed and I can field them myself
zenith tundra
has anyone done the math for +13 monarch gun vs +10 mk7?
ok seems like wiki already has data on mk7. +10 mk7 30.41 vs +13 monarch 31.96 on light...
welp i guess before +11 is not gonna see pvp
flint python
+13 Monarch gun wins slightly
candid sluice
elder crane
I was always advocate for
PvP and CM and EX
To have 50% dmg reduction at start, and decaying 1% per second
Something like that
zenith tundra
because outside of those that skill is kind of useless
elder crane
EX especially has been kinda a joke
All this pepega about stripping ships and stuff
Should be forced to run near full fleet and properly equip for being good rather than for low fleet power
This would help cause means you have to keep VG alive longer
Although I guess if you can touhou it that's acceptable to me as well
candid sluice
Lvl1 helena and kent being meta
elder crane
Rn often some EX patterns are
"Just kill them before it happens lmao"
Also
Means you can reverse rhe torp shield
Is too much to just kill torps like that
CM too is
At this point
3rd main and sub fleet are just buffers
They don't get to do any damage
candid sluice
It’s fast paced content I like it
Better than other slugfest pve stuff
Requires a bit of brain power too
zenith tundra
i don't like wasting 5 min equipping ships just to get nothing
elder crane
Idk is 1-2 minute not fast paced enough
flint python
Require specific fleet/ship to top score tho
candid sluice
Nah mob fights are 30 secs
elder crane
i don't like wasting 5 min equipping ships just to get nothing
Is fine, EX mode has always been a "if you feel like it" kinda thing
Is meant to be super difficult and touhou
Rn
Is kinda not
candid sluice
It requires the most skill out of all other content ingame
elder crane
Like I know some EX bosses have interesting patterns 1 min in and stuff
Would mean you have to strategize and stuff
But rn is just "lol kill them before then"
candid sluice
If u expected difficulty in AL then u came to the wrong game
elder crane
Is why torps were nerfed into the ground
flint python
I already spent 400gems worth of dockspace for lvl1 EX mode ships
elder crane
Cause it basically let you skip everything
candid sluice
Brainless automode removed what little skill required to play this game
zenith tundra
they should just remove torp from the game
elder crane
Ehh, no?
Unless you mean the automode ship stuff
Automap just reduced grind
Honestly should use an instant autogrind system imo
Is just time padding
zenith tundra
like dailies?
i swear the daily changes looked like whatever but i've been using it every day
elder crane
Kinda, but implemented a somewhat diff way since need to account for XP/aff too
candid sluice
Ya 120 is just a timegate at this point
U have 500 lvl120 ships
Congrats u can autolane
elder crane
clear briar
Stagprince and his 70k hp Enterprise
trail temple
He's gone off the radar now
next oxide
What are the predictions on the effect of the new ships on pvp?
radiant brook
Won't shake up the meta
candid sluice
I don’t see em being good
covert swallow
ships? people are assuming nothing will change, but the new UR gun is good
hexed iron
So I haven't check PVP meta in a while, I get that the new meta backline is Aquila (Probably gonna use her, VV and Percy) but I'm not too sure on the front line, I gather that Duca is mandatory with VV but for the other 2 do you guys have recommendation?
candid sluice
Your choice of good old stall or torpmemes
hexed iron
So something like Juneau+Azuma or Noshiro+Naganami maybe?
I don't know much about torpmemes so just throwing out guess here
next burrow
Is mk7 actually gonna be good on anyone but wk and nj
Cuz the spread on that thing is massive
elder crane
Cuz the spread on that thing is massive
Supposedly CN says it's just the standard 19 spread and dk what's up with infopanel
And yeah spread is not an issue vs vanguard
next burrow
Seriously? Wow if that’s true that’s broken
candid sluice
U kinda want larger spread for vg ironically
next burrow
Yeah I was thinking it might be too big actually
But standard is already good anyway
I am seriously scared of pvp pasta now...
candid sluice
Just now?
north vine
he lagged
candid sluice
Ya I haven’t seen too many either
I’ve won against all of them but some were close
naive dome
I haven't run into any pasta team strong enough to beat my shinagaryu fleet. I only experience loss again mirror and perseus warspite
elder crane
Percy warkai is ez as long as you don't risk Nano getting sniped
Aquila torpmemes is the new main threat for sure, that if set up well is pure cancer
granite flame
candid sluice
Ya there’s a datamine link but event already live ingame lol
Nothing too outstanding skill wise imo
worldly cape
Just the Mk7 3x406mm
candid sluice
Will have to test out the ships more of course but initial impressions not anything interesting
crude mortar
lost ticket
cuz
stuck at loading
9/10 to 8/10 with +0 instead of +15
best game in the world
candid sluice
Rip Avrora eos scores
upper cove
leaden sky
Good thing i didnt join this season
candid sluice
Lmao wat +0
distant token
ripe latch
crude mortar
microlayer 2021
light crystal
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