Go for it I guess
#pvp
candid sluice
next burrow
The power of math 
candid sluice
next burrow
Wow someone teched taihou in their defense fleet just to fuck with my tashgun
I’m honored
elder crane
Now stack Amagi too
elder crane
Wow someone teched taihou in their defense fleet just to fuck with my tashgun
If a vanguard is shooting Taihou, it really doesn't matter what weapon they're using at that point 
next burrow
Wow it’s actually a lot better for amagi
Goes down to 65%
Any other main ships with + eva rate?
elder crane
nah, it's why Amagi was OP af and not completely useless rn
next burrow
Im p sure
Im doing max eva vs max hit
Ok idk if its max hit but im using hpfcr + sg wk
which is 189
amagis eva should be 41 + 44 + 49 = 134
Hit chance = 0.1 + 189/(189+134+2) + (90-23)/1000 - 0.1
Unless my formula is outdated kekhands
elder crane
Amagi provides the evarate to all main fleet units
not just herself
I meant to stack Amagi skill effect on top of the 70%
she doesn't tank BB shots all too well herself since medium armor and all anyways
radiant brook
@crude mortar 
next burrow
I meant to stack Amagi *skill effect* on top of the 70%
What's this 70%
OH you meant amagi on pow? okay yea itd be 60%
Lmao I misunderstood
sour oasis
Isn't Amagi still somewhat useful for a 3rd stack of debuff?
west ibex
How to became top 1k?
Is there any tips/tricks for when i must do exercise?
Or just spam 5 excer after reset?
next burrow
@elder crane
candid sluice
Sandbag
west ibex
What is sandbag?
west ibex
Fight a player when you see them move up in rating
Is the rank is realtime update? So i must always keeptrack on the list?
candid sluice
Not real time but whenever you restart the game
west ibex
So i must keep restarting the game?
candid sluice
If you want your matchups to update yea
I do it whenever I want to play my exercises
If u want to hardcore u refresh a lot more often
But u won’t need to go that hard to hit 1k+
If u just want to hit that milestone though then yea just do your tickets as soon as it refreshes
west ibex
Is the player list will change? Or the list keep em, only the rank is change?
candid sluice
Only ranks change if u refresh
The list of players change only when you complete a ticket or use a refresh
Or the start of a new season
west ibex
But... you wont know if they were doing exercise or no right? So its a waiting game?
zenith tundra
when you relog it just updates the ranks of your opponents
candid sluice
If u find a friend of yours on your list and u tell them to move
But we don’t talk about that
west ibex
Score manipulation is bad 
candid sluice
U gotta do what u gotta do
Casual bagging can get u top1k pretty easily tho
Aka playing your tickets 1 or 2 hours into ticket reset
west ibex
But... it needed me to keep restarting the game till their rank move right? And for 5 times each recharge
zenith tundra
collusion only works if really lucky. chances you find someone that you know are not that high
elder crane
For rank 1k I don't think you need to sandbag at all beyond just keeping 5/10 so you don't take -1 score fights
and not losing matches
west ibex
So the most good time to restarting is 1hr-2hr be4 recharge?
west ibex
How much diff in rank i should wait till attack? 2k?
elder crane
reason to keep 5/10 is that it lowers your own score, so there's people with higher score, so you don't get into a situation where you lose score since everyone on your list is lower ranked than you
candid sluice
Kinda hard to pinpoint exact rank difference
elder crane
rank diff is 
it works by score difference, so you'll have to guess
unless they're in top 100 ofc
candid sluice
Also varies between rankings
Kinda just gut feeling for players under top100
Top100 u can always check leaderboards and compare their score to yours
next burrow
Just don’t miss or lose matches u should be fine
This is the hard part for me kek
candid sluice
Same 
next burrow
Should prob hv a permanent reminder on my phone tbh
candid sluice
Missed 3 exers day one of reset lmao
elder crane
yep
~ 1 week in for example you can be rank 1.1k and fight someone at rank 100 and still not get a bonus
close to end tho if you're rank 1.1k and fight someone at rank 100 that's probably two bonus points
for rank 1k in particular idk if it matters still anyways
if you always rush 0/10 or miss like 10 matches you can probably still comfortably hit 1k without sandbag
west ibex
Sandbag including using free win deff fleet?
elder crane
def fleet doesn't matter
you don't lose/gain anything from someone fighting your defense, and while technically a good defense fleet will reduce competition while a free win one will make it more likely for ppl around your score to climb, unless you're near the top ranks, it won't really make a difference
next burrow
And is there a defense that can't be beaten by players who are even slightly serious about pvp
elder crane
preload torpmemes
you'll probably need at least a somewhat meta setup to beat that
which is not that high of a bar anyways tbf
light crystal
@elder crane So tell me, is ALEC Al Help's Pin correct in that u should prioritize +12'ing multiple equips over +13'ing the one as the difference between +12 and +13 is not that high? Or it is mostly just an advice for casuals.
light crystal
I don't remember if it was u or someone else who went at lengths to tell me that the jump form +13 and +12 was massive
elder crane
Depends on impact factor things
Yes
For weapons 100%
For aux maybe not
Weapons get almost as much benefit from +12->+13 as +10->+12, usually
light crystal
elder crane
Aux is same scaling for each +, so increasing plate cost technically means individual effects is best to do all +11 first, then etc.
However, some aux larger impact than others
Whether that be the aux itself scaling more or the ship better using it
light crystal
Ok, then I guess I'll just take it as an advice for casual players from ALEC then 
elder crane
E.g. +13 catapult on Shinano probably more effective for less plates than +12 and then +12 on Shoukaku
Or rudder mattering more than toolkit on +
light crystal
Currently I'm prioritizing +13'ing one set of Wyvern. Specially as I may transition to AQL at one point, and she just need the one Wyvern anyway
elder crane
Heh
Same
Switched to gun plates now from guild shop too
Since I already have a full set of +13 for Aquila
karmic forum
You need to +13 the second wyvern for hiryuu 
covert swallow
do you guys run wyvern aquila, or swordfish aquila so VV can snipe vanguard easily with preload
elder crane
Imma run Richi VV Aquila first
karmic forum
Aquila and wyvern is a pretty good combo
elder crane
Swordfish lands too late no?
light crystal
I got nearly 300 Aux gold Plates cuz I dont even use them. I've only used them in like 2 +13'd Aux so far, a Rudder and Heels
covert swallow
don't give vv hsfcr, and the timing is fine
if she has hsfcr she'll fire too early
elder crane
If you do that
Then enemy CV destealth
And your VV doesn't reliably shoot VG
So extra fucked
818 doesn't even remotely reliably land for offense
covert swallow
yea, when it does land my vv deletes the vanguard usually, but the matches it doesn't land it feels like a lot of wasted damage when I could be using wyvern instead
elder crane
I remember
Trying out 818 Hiryuu to set up for Nano
When defense runs that is like 70-80% 818 hits
Offense
Fricken 8 runs in before I saw it land once pretty sure
covert swallow
elder crane
Anyways would rather HPFCR VV
Take the 3/4 for each MGM to target vanguard over 1/2, vs 2 CV teams
covert swallow
and you just run avgas+ beacon on aquila right
elder crane
Is rarer for 2 MGM not to aim at VG at 75% (7/64 for 0/1 to aim at VG) than it is for no MGM to aim at VG at 50% (1/8 for none to aim at VG)
sour oasis
How to became top 1k?
Top 1k is easy: don't lose.
You don't even have to beat left opponent, just use all your exercise during the two week season. (Don't let any slip away; you get 15 a day but can only store 10 at a time; if you are given five exercises while you're at 9/10, you go to 10/10 and have lost 4.)
To get to top 100 means fighting only opponents above your current score (so you don't take victory penalties).
To get to top 10 means checking frequently, mayve refreshing your list, and generally stalk/collude with other players to take extra victory bonus points.
royal oyster
you can lose a decent amount and still get top 1000
crude mortar
you can lose 5 and still 2600 with enough collusionists - agent F
candid sluice
sour oasis
Which F 
safe meteor
elder crane
Nagato Shinano Hiryuu Aquila VV Richelieu pick 3 that don't clash
vanguard, Juneau Azuma (your choice on seattle, leipzig, ykkz, Abruzzi, Sandy, Helena)
or torpmemes which is Noshiro Jintsuu Abruzzi Naganami pick 3
vast arch
do you get anything out of making a defense squad? like could you just put anything there or does it actually matter?
crude jetty
I think it is for climbing
zenith tundra
defense can be useful to make it harder for other people to rush last 5 mins and wall people without a good comp. pratically speaking defense fleet doesn't affect much
elder crane
When at very top near end of season it sorta matters
Mainly used to cut down the number of competitors, no effect on own score
But
If you're like rank 1k, knocking down maybe 1 person in half a week basically makes no difference
While at rank 10-100 maybe it does
Plus during a rush delaying a guy = knocking them down
royal oyster
outside of like the top 5 or 10, making other people lose is actively counterproductive
elder crane
On end score yes, on end rank naw
1 fewer competitor, and makes everyone else also equally slightlyless likely to get a bonus
royal oyster
that would only really be the case if no one put up defense fleets
people who struggle to win are going to drop ranks eventually anyway
vast arch
ah, thanks yall! i had no idea. im not that competitive but i do try my best
candid sluice
Kashino new meta 
sour oasis
When will this be in game
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689222422343450624/843297352999239700/1621128134102.jpg
next burrow
Fellow man of culture but unfortunately he has a gimped version
undone tree
is the core vanguard still Nosh/Jun/Azu? Can any of those be swapped out? Maybe like Nosh/Ibuki/+1 for torp memes on attack?
elder crane
Noshiro out, Sandy/Seattle/Leipzig/Helena in
And torpmemes is questionable on attack period
If you want to do it, you pretty much have to go all in and run Hiryuu to not be worse
Abruzzi Jintsuu Naganami Noshiro pick 3
radiant brook
Why Leipzig?
north vine
safety first
elder crane
She has fairly decent defensive stats to begin with and 5 s immunity helps either survive torps or survive dmg burst at 20 s
Plus effectively she has DD speed (inbuilt engine) from the skill as well
some cruiser boosts and her own torps aren't nothing I suppose
Anyways back on torpmemes
Jint buff is too strong and Naganami/Abruzzi torps are too good
So Ibuki is not preferred right now
north vine
CL pvp buff as well is nice
elder crane
Abruzzi specifically scales really well with the crit boosts from Jint/Naga/Noshiro since she has boosted crit rate and damage
That too
CL get both dmg and survivability boost over CA
Although before Naganami, Ibuki was more competitive since no particularly good third option for DD/CL
Also torpteam nowadays has too much internal synergies to get away with only halfway
You either full torps or none, basically
next burrow
Really nice that 3 of the new pastas are viable in pvp ngl
radiant brook
Manjuu must either go full OP or full useless for the new pasta ships given what happened into formidable event
radiant brook
They will
They have a good track record of future proofing IJN ships
Nagato is still relevant 3 years after release
Bismarck is kicked into obscurity immediately after release and didn't become relevant 18 months later (inverted Orthant)
radiant brook
At least her CV buff is good now
Before IO her CV buff is pretty much useles because GZ is pretty bad
undone tree
why would I change from ijn fleet to sandy/seattle/leip/hel
Im doing the standard hiry/nagato/shinano + noshiro/jun/azu
next burrow
Just looked at cn fleet builds
Wow those guys are really creative
They actually run stuff like maestrale and birmingham?
I dunno how viable they are actually but I find it cool how they are experimenting so much
Also, they don’t use rudders hmm...
north vine
kekw
candid sluice
They’re using manjuu enty lmao
waxen dawn
I used to run Birmingham against Akaga fleets that run Sendai. I don't know if she made a difference but I thought she's good in paper
candid sluice
They smoking something while making those fleets
elder crane
Im doing the standard hiry/nagato/shinano + noshiro/jun/azu
Noshiro is not really useful in current meta
You'll want an option with more AA dmg and/or tankier vs CV strikes or has some sort of immunity to deal with torps
and no Noshiro alone is not enough vs current torpteam, HMS torps do waaay too much dmg when they hit (cause torps are clustered, so you basically never eat 1-2, is either you eat none or eat 10)
you need to stack VV and Noshiro and torpbulge bascially before it has effect
and non-HMS torps torpteams aren't really a threat
on that note, swapping out Hiryuu to Muse Akagi or Aquila is working out pretty well overall
makes for much faster matches while being overall just as good
Musekagi is a bit worse vs torps since you don't have Hiryuu for the cases where both vanguards trade out, hard to say right now on Aquila
Hiryuu just spends too long sitting around doing nothing, pretty much
meanwhile Aquila or Musekagi will do Shinano levels of damage early
Helena specifically is a special case, she's useful when you need RNG to win vs standard-type comps
Aka pretty much just defense if you have a really good team
can help make up for lacking oaths/levels/equipment though
undone tree
so forgetting torp memes, have the best fleets changed recently?
elder crane
Italian addition is too recent to say for sure on top team(s), but they're certainly joining the meta
Aquila 100% is in for many teams, at least as an option
Duca in non-torpteam, possibly
VV maybe, ofc you'll see her run with both Aquila and Duca
aside from that, Sandy/Seattle have been increasing in popularity, Helena on defense, and a few other ppl are trying out Musekagi now that I've shilled her so much
but overall the meta has been fairly static until recent italians
undone tree
it was all IJN before, which is what I am currently running
so an AA heavy frontline is good on attack as well? or just def?
elder crane
Noshiro and yukikaze started dropping off for nontorpteams ever since stealth and opsi release
AA/survivability heavy is better on offense
Sandy is kinda exception since on defense she can RNG prevent spotting vs many teams, which is a massive damage boost to your CVs
Yukikaze on def might be a better choice now if VV and/or Richi get more popular, she's the OG anti-BB-shelling ship basically
slippery little -
hollow fractal
which torps are best to +13 in general for pvp? the rainbow one or the parallel one?
elder crane
parallel is probably best since 1/3 the cost and useful for PvE too
While possibly there might be a new torpteam that actually wants rainbow mags, anything currently running those won't really care too much about +13
undone tree
so then what would a BiS offense team be? Because if I have to invest into hiryuu it will take a while to 120 her and I'd rather invest into other potential ships like VV or aqui if they're good
light crystal
This is why I never convert those general BP's until I'm exactly at 9. U do it too early, u might find urself u didn't quite need as many Wyverns after all, and might have wanted to have those BP's as general after all
Don't commit until ur at 9 and sure u want to go forward
dull hollow
lmao
fought aquila persues comp
1 shots my entire frontline and then 1shots a backliner
time to test it out for myrself
when i get her up to speed
elder crane
so then what would a BiS offense team be? Because if I have to invest into hiryu...
you can just run Aqui > Hiryuu yeah, esp if not running torpteam
candid sluice
You guys are going against Aquila comps?
radiant brook
Didn't bump into an Aquila comp ever since she came out
next burrow
Aren’t you on avrora 
leaden sky
Some are still leveling them, you might see more next season
weak latch
So Aquila is the new pvp meta?
candid sluice
Perhaps
radiant brook
Aren’t you on avrora <:Thinkpitz:470795614246928384>
Yes I am
lyric thistle
hi, whats the best 2ndary gun for BBs in pvp ?
uncut agate
Seattle gun
lyric thistle
ah thx, but i meant DD gun, it's for a washington+south dakota comp, cant equip CL ones, and i'm not sure if it's same as vangard cause of range and spread
candid sluice
Just take a +35 fp one or the AP ironblood gun
sour oasis
You guys are going against Aquila comps? <:YorkBruh:588629709328482325>
Yes||, but more like I'm being slaughtered by them.||
Specifically the one that's mixed with torpedo memes
hollow fractal
what's the aquila + torp meme comp?
leaden sky
Aquila+vv/riche/hiryuu backline
Jintsuu/ naga/ duca/ noshiro pick 3 for vg 
candid sluice
Duca mandatory jintsuu also arguably
flint sun
If I use nagato, would hiryuu and souryuu be better than hiryuu and enty in pvp¿?
elder crane
Nope
flint sun
Poor souryuu she I wonder why she's so bad in pvp even with all the mutual buffs
elder crane
Poor souryuu she I wonder why she's so bad in pvp even with all the mutual buffs
If by "all the mutual buff" you mean the buff that is almost outclassed by Nano buff?
zenith tundra
outside of bad loadout her hp is trash and even with sister buff she doesn't do anything special
vg buff when half vg is already dead is kind of pointless
flint sun
If by "all the mutual buff" you mean the buff that is almost outclassed by Nano ...
I don't have nano but I didn't know she has buffs xD
mint hornet
zenith tundra
after watching that i feel like quitting pvp and al all together
next burrow
And then you remember new skins are coming
sour oasis
Again. The cycle continues.
sour oasis
https://youtu.be/-YJr8EnDIfg
My F2P unoathed fleet trembles.
sour oasis
Who's Azuma? Zack's? Sara's? Mine? ||is 25 prints away from Dev30. Just one more twin 457 and I can finally leave PR2|||| until DR FS5 happens.||
sour oasis
I mean, it's only 25 prints; does that final gain really matter?
mint hornet
that's true
d25 is where she gets her chonk
d30 is a little bit of dmg
trail temple
All the more closer when fs5 happens
Am about 12 away and the temptation to burn some extra fdg prints to use the proto store for the last prints is quite high
candid sluice
Event coming up soon 🔜 so resist the urge
sour oasis
Am about 12 away and the temptation to burn some extra fdg prints to use the pro...
It's 6 for 1 though
trail temple
I went from 0 to halfway to 215 in a couple of weeks
sour oasis
How many FdG did you burn?
candid sluice
Not saving for fs10 smh
royal oyster
didn't someone show malding over that same fleet a while back?
radiant brook
Something something final counter
I've been asking if final counter can just shut it down but I received no answer 
flint sun
If I use nagato in PVP, should I sticc with enty and hiryuu, or level shoukaku/kaga/akagi? (I do not have amagi)
radiant brook
Hiryuu and shoukaku would do
Shinano is pretty much a direct upgrade to shoukaku but that's event locked
upper cove
I've fought nova caine as well, I feel like he didn't set it up properly or something
it doesn't do much to be scary, just normal levels of tough
covert swallow
Maybe he had different gear on for pve? (though I doubt it)
candid sluice
Can’t whale against pasta? 
trail temple
Nah
candid sluice
No wonder intrepid was malding
light crystal
How many attempts did u make tho?
I also had issues with that same fleet from that guy on the same day Intrepid did
Went 6 attempts for testing, only feel like I won 2, and got dumpstered the rest, to my frustration
I did fight him "normally" again some time later (Going for the points not testing), it did feel somewhat easier. Maybe switched gear around, or I just got lucky on first try
There was that supposed glitch on the earlier days making Aquila's dmg debuff apply to whole fleet, but I don't think it was that. It was more the fleet doing consistent damage against me that I couldn't mitigate very well, so it didn't have to do with him being a lil tankier
Either way, it is a solid fleet. Or was. There's been some new variants using VV/AQL/HRYU now. Haven't fought that one myself yet to see how good it tho
My pasta is currently being leveled very very slowly to try myself, and I will probably need to save some Oil for new Event, thereby slowing the level up process even further. I hope I can just use the event in HM or something to spam D3 and the like for some XP with them 
midnight heron
how are ppl getting >15k power nanoryuu backlines i already have double wyvern +10 and almost full +13 other planes yet am only at 14.6k
upper cove
definitely don't ignore nagato
midnight heron
thats some hardcore farming ngl
royal oyster
you don't need +13 everything. most of it is from 200 affection and fleet tech stats
midnight heron
glad mulch
hmm helena became popular on pvp
honestly her radar scan gave me a lot of trouble
midnight heron
if u cant beat them, join them
sour oasis
||Whale them rings||
I'm going to guess Avrora is the PvP server with the most number of oathed defense fleets
elder crane
hmm helena became popular on pvp
honestly her radar scan gave me a lot of troubl...
Yeah she's pretty good on defense
On offense, only if your team is sufficiently suboptimal, otherwise relying on 60% is...
Also not very useful vs torps
sullen sierra
What auxes do people usually use on Nagato in pvp with a Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano backline?
sullen sierra
is WNT not really worth it over HPFCR?
light crystal
Nah, it's probably overall better. But I use torp meme Defense and Nagato, and I don't wanna use WNT in that case, if ppl on Attec aren't already using it
sullen sierra
i was probably going to use something similar with juneau, azuma, and maybe noshiro
but wasnt sure using something like the frontier medal on a carrier would be better if running 2 carriers
light crystal
FM is probably only worth it when using 3 CV's, or when not running Nagato to buff CV's
sullen sierra
ah, ok
light crystal
On that note, I wonder if ppl big bren AQL FM and VV 
sullen sierra
maybe, another reason i was wondering if i should just resign myself to WNT is because of those preload fleets cropping up
light crystal
sullen sierra
u.u...
another question, was reading in some places that people usually run gyro and rudder on Azuma, is there something more preferred now?
sullen sierra
is the eva just better than the +hit? seemed to be a sticking point when people were talking about asuma missing a lot
light crystal
Could also try to stack Beaver/Rudder, if u dont have Kicks
sullen sierra
i do, just wasn't sure if i should use the gyro instead due to the +hit
light crystal
I dunno, I rather she stick around for longer than hitting some more
Usually, unless it's torp meme VG, it's the BAckline that does the most of the work for overall dmg, while your VG just stalls for them
sullen sierra
gotcha, would it maybe better to run gyro+kicks due to the +speed? i never see people recommending double gyros or boilers on people even tho a lot say theyre BIS, is there just heavy diminishing returns? sorry for all the questions, appreciate the help
was under the impression +speed was really valuable on mostly everyone as they might jsut move out of the way
sullen sierra
alrighty, yeah, ill try kicks/rudder
light crystal
sullen sierra
last thing >.>...was doing fire suppress and boiler on yukikaze, is that normal, or do people usually run rudder or something in one of the slots?
light crystal
FE/Boiler is pretty standard for her, it's aight
sullen sierra
ok cool, making sure there wasnt something better i could be doing
thanks for all the help!
light crystal
sacred heath
light crystal
elder crane
PvP soon:
gasgasgas
radiant brook
I'm gonna step on the gas
trail temple
What am I looking at?
candid sluice
Manjuu enty lmao
north vine
trail temple
Manjuu enty lmao
The horror
(The horror being the level of pepega to do something as atrocious as that)
candid sluice
Hood gun nugget and manjuu enty is the new meta u guys just aren’t ready for it
stable dawn
tranquil badge
<:BuckyPride:666111441786372158>
is this the Konami code of Azur Lane pvp?
Also since I want to run Nosh/Jint/Duca, who should be holding the Pearl's Tear out of the 3 and is there a specific reason why for that
trail temple
Tbh, I would be of the opinion for torp meme to forgo defensive measures and use black + rainbow aux instead to maximise the upfront damage and mitigate any (if at all) defensive bonuses the opposing fleet might have (especially for defence). However, if you really want to use pearl then stick it on the one that's likely to die first (potentially Jintsuu)
tranquil badge
Ah before i got this piece of advice that was also my line of thinking, i had put black + rainbow oxy on all 3
basically a well if i'm going all-in, i may aswell go all the way
Also had the same line of thinking with the Tear but wanted to see if there were also different opinions with that from others
trail temple
The few torp meme defence fleets I have seen where they give pearl to one of their ships, the apparent win rate against them is a lot better compared to running black + rainbow torp aux
tranquil badge
who needs healing when you can kill faster
candid sluice
next burrow
is this the Konami code of Azur Lane pvp?
lolol no pls do not take those cn builds too seriously
candid sluice
Ya those guys smoking some high quality zimbabwean grass while making that
light crystal
They do like their boilers
elder crane
boilers gud
clear briar
light crystal
btw, Kaine is vehemently against Mike usage. Instead prefers Cats. I myself only use Mike on Shin cuz of the moosic. Otherwise, I wouldn't be using it as well
Even that CN chart doesn't endorse mikes
light crystal
Oh no, we got another convert over here. I swear, if it weren't for the music, I wouldn't bother to use those things myself lol
upper cove
nah I've fought defense comps that I can tell used mics
it can make a really huge impact
sour oasis
Hit doesn't matter if the defense speeeeeeeeeeeeeeds everywhere.
sullen sierra
what are those Chinese builds from exactly? (aside from China)
midnight heron
eh still not a fan of mics unless i oath all my carriers
without beacon the launch times are so delayed u lose cuz of having a late launch
elder crane
Doesn't matter if launch is preloaded
candid sluice
vestal ferry
candid sluice
Woah dyo is in ALO now?
upper cove
I find launches to only be slow now that wyvern is the new thing
Before we had wyvern I didn't even need beacon
Still don't but it's much nicer
crude mortar
midnight heron
i always knew theres hardcore farmers, and then theres this guy
candid sluice
First time seeing em?
flint python
how
radiant brook
crude mortar
is it 0/10
radiant brook
Not knowing they have been proc earlier
radiant brook
Nvm got it, 3 losses and 1 attack to spare
flint sun
Which would be better on hiryuu for PVP
messershit or type 0 fighter
(I am aware they're both garbage, but since I only just started not scrapping actual good weapons this is all I have for now)
flint sun
Maybe Helena meta will be, who knows
elder crane
so meta ships no good in pvp?
Nope, completely the wrong kit so far
Aa was mentioned, maaaybe Helena though personally I'm skeptical
elder crane
cos tier list seems not to have changed for a while
That's just dead, there's been a lot of changes especially recently
It seems like Italians will be taking over, pretty much
Well, mostly Aquila and Duca with VV optional
Anyways Nagato and Shinano are probably not top anymore
Hiryuu maybe still stays though
Vanguard, either Azuma or 2/3 torpships should be staying, we'll see
But quite likely the very top teams will only be 1-2 IJN
flint sun
I can't even get an answer in a ded chat?
zenith tundra
just use me for the extra launch speed, both are total trash
elder crane
I can't even get an answer in a ded chat?
I think the answer is no one knows and it probably doesn't matter anyways
candid sluice
Pasta preload memes always feels hit or miss for me
Then again I’m using the suki and relying on fart cloud rng to dodge
clear briar
EOS rushing 
sharp obsidian
Is VV-Aq-Hiryuu the new meta? 😮
I couldn't beat it with my Shin-Nagato-Hiryu set-up
worldly cape
Idk why I have the feeling either Independence Retrofit or Ticonderoga will get a preload and make preloaded Wyvern spam a thing
light crystal
🤔
I don't think they're gonna be PvP material. Maybe alright in PvE, but high doubt for PvP. For the upcoming set, I only see Kosmos as perhaps being PvP viable, gotta wait on kit. As for Sanfran and the other VG, unless they have Eva Rate or super zombie, they're not likely to be PvP material either.
worldly cape
Should I bother with building a torp VG if i only have 2 black torps?
candid sluice
One of em can have rainbow mags
elder crane
If they have preload 100% makes it in as an option at minimum
elder crane
I couldn't beat it with my Shin-Nagato-Hiryu set-up
Yes it is the new meta it seems, but no old team should still be able to beat it if you have a proper setup
I assume probably your vanguard is dying too early, depending on what is doing that, you'll want to fix that
sharp obsidian
I assume probably your vanguard is dying too early, depending on what is doing t...
Quite the contrary, Nagato died really fast. I tried it 3 times before shifting to a different target.
elder crane
Nagato dying shouldn't even matter though?
sharp obsidian
I was running Noshiro - Juneau - Yukikaze, then standard Nagato - Shinano - Hiryuu
midway through the battle, I'm left with a Hiryuu after Shinano sunk
elder crane
Nagato dying shouldn't matter, she's just there for her buff
sharp obsidian
but enemy backline still healthy
elder crane
If Nano strikes that shouldn't be possible
sharp obsidian
idk, was trying to understand how I kept losing 😦
enemy was running Duca - Jintsuu - Noshiro
sharp obsidian
then VV - Aq - Hiryuu
elder crane
Nano top slot?
sharp obsidian
Nano top, Hiryuu bot
elder crane
Probably just bad torp RNG then
If nano is getting her strike off, then your loadout is the problem
No way that their main fleet should be healthy
sharp obsidian
This is what I use on Shinano. Do you have the optimal loadout for the present PVP meta?
elder crane
No
sharp obsidian
Should I be using Wyverns in PVP?
sharp obsidian
I also use her for PVE so I tend to just stick with it. Haven't faced any issues till I met that Italian fleet
but if this keeps up, I'm willing to switch out
elder crane
Also avgas
Also since I see she's oathed, can drop beacon for microphone
Slot 1 should be fighter optimally (or another wyvern)
I'm surprised you haven't had issues vs other Nanoryuus
A good loadout on that should wall this pretty hard
sharp obsidian
So far no issues there - been having easy wins on Nanoryuus
just the Italian one that I had some issues
so much issues in fact that I gave up haha
elder crane
Yeah then you haven't met a good loadout
Anyone running italians rn is paying attention to meta
trail temple
Ryuusei in pvp, big yikes
sharp obsidian
Ryuusei in pvp, big yikes
Hehe, is my standard Boss Killer. I didn't see the need to have a PVP specific loadout till today
elder crane
Stuka > Ryuusei anyways smh
sharp obsidian
only when I bumped into that Italian Fleet did I feel the shift haha
elder crane
(is partially a joke btw)
sharp obsidian
So I'll shift to a Fighter in 1st and Wyvern in 3rd
Microphone then Catapult for Accessories?
elder crane
Mic or beacon
sharp obsidian
Mic is for Hit stat?
sharp obsidian
Which Fighter should I use?
How about for Hiryuu?
Also Wyvern?
I have 2 Wyverns but both are still +10. Been focusing my +13s on Ryuuseis for PvE
elder crane
I'd rec VF-17 on Nano, or Hornet if you run beacon
And yes for Hiryuu too
Not really critical to +13 wyverns given how expensive that it
It doesn't increase their crash base dmg anyways
elder crane
British 2x1k lb fighter, we got one from an event and it's in gear lab
sharp obsidian
Ah ok. I've been using the American F7F
sharp obsidian
I think I only have one of those British ones, the one from the event
hang on, let me craft another one
elder crane
Anyways the reason why you use wyvern is it has ridiculous crash damage
It intercepts like a fighter on ~11 s CD
sharp obsidian
I don't need to equip that +Hp thing to ensure the crash?
Both of them use Mic + Beacon?
elder crane
So every strike cycle it gets three sets of crash damage each on par with cudas
You do
That's avgas
mint hornet
I'd say you shouldn't craft another hornet?
It's fairly expensive on the electronics iirc
covert swallow
suzu/yuki seems to work pretty well imo against aquila vv
elder crane
Yeah hence nbd if you don't have it
mint hornet
Yea
sharp obsidian
I'd say you shouldn't craft another hornet?
It's fairly expensive on the electro...
hmm... I think I have enough of those from nonstop farming OpSi
elder crane
Smoke is always but it does give you RNG chance
sharp obsidian
Need more of the action point thingies
1 more should still be enough
but another one will impact my reserves haha
sharp obsidian
That's avgas
Gotcha! Seems like I need to revisit my PvP Fleet haha
elder crane
Electronics should be the only opsi mat you lack at all
Well, aside from UR plane prints
Everything important wants them
sharp obsidian
Usually I just touch it every time I face a strong fleet
covert swallow
isn't tigercat pretty close to sea hornet, and way cheaper to craft
sharp obsidian
which is usually every year or so
elder crane
That's exactly what we've been saying
covert swallow
oh my bad
sharp obsidian
Anyway, thanks a bunch. You reckon Nanoryuu will remain Meta or should I start Oathing up VV-Aq. I have both of them at 100 but they're a bit down in the queue for me in terms of grinding up to 120 oath
but if they'll be new meta, then I'll focus them up now
elder crane
Anyways let's see the new usn ships soon
I expect them to not make it into PvP tho
If they don't have extremely strong damage reduction or preload, yeah pretty much 100% no
sharp obsidian
and maybe grind them up in the new event
sharp obsidian
Ok, great! I'll switch out my load out and try to find that Italian Fleet again
Thanks for the help
elder crane
Same loadout as Hiryuu basically
Nah Hiryuu is still used in Italian fleet sometimes
If you run torps on offense she's almost mandatory, otherwise team is extra RNG
sharp obsidian
Got it! Will make those changes when I bump into the Italian Fleet haha
otherwise my PVE loadout seems to do ok
elder crane
You'll also see Percy Aquila Hiryuu setups
Can even run that with Duca Potter Noshiro/Jintsuu
sharp obsidian
Yeah, Duca surprised me too
elder crane
She's insurance
elder crane
If vanguard trades out then Hiryuu wins vs not Hiryuu
candid sluice
Wouldn’t throwing in vitt or richy be better tho
covert swallow
I've been running aquila perseus vv and it's pretty funny watching vanguard get deleted on attack
but on def as long as you survive preload you usually just win
elder crane
Neither of those hit vanguard that reliably anyways
Plus this is FM setup
So Richi is out
And VV is weakened
candid sluice
Oh fm
Didn’t see that part
Double preload potter does seem nasty
I have to rely on the suki clouds to live preload
candid sluice
Considering replacing yuki tho cus my vg is incredibly fragile with garbo luck
elder crane
And her own torps aren't completely garbage I guess
candid sluice
How well does azuma live preload?
covert swallow
oh right I guess potter might be better to run than yuugure
since she can take manjuu
clear briar
Indeed
ashen lion
Sandy server
candid sluice
Rip phoenix
hot creek
this... was not my month, lol.
candid sluice
How many -1s during the rush?
ashen lion
Only -3
zenith tundra
maybe i should let hiryuu die more often vs torp memes preload
that was a fun fight
hot creek
How many -1s during the rush?
probably like 5 at least. I lost count.
candid sluice
Damn that’s a massive rip
candid sluice
Were u not a follower too?
light crystal
Only cuz of the moosic, using his excuse of a bit more AA and Hit to justify it otherwise
candid sluice
next burrow
So boys
I don’t think we’re ever getting a jun skin
If it’s not coming this event
😔
sharp obsidian
What we need is a Jun Retrofit
karmic forum
enemy was running Duca - Jintsuu - Noshiro
https://youtu.be/-vpS2OTY0Ks
Was it this comp you ran into?
sharp obsidian
https://youtu.be/-vpS2OTY0Ks
Was it this comp you ran into?
Yes, that’s exactly it! Only diff is Jintsuu was in the Middle and Noshiro last.
My PVE fleet couldn’t clear it and made me revisit PvP again haha
karmic forum
Prepare to see a lot of comps similar to that one soon, if you're at the higher ranks.
sharp obsidian
Yeah, I usually hang around the 20-30 bracket at the end. I don’t sandbag enough 😅
But recently, I’ve been lazy shifting gear so I’ve been using my PVE loadouts. Only time it didn’t work was against that Italian fleet.
elder crane
maybe i should let hiryuu die more often vs torp memes preload
If only we could have her soak up all the torps going to main, lol
With extra strike early her dmg is quite nice too
candid sluice
Nelson flag hiryuu new meta
drowsy arrow
What should be loadout nowadays for CV/CVL torps & bombers? Specifically for Hiryuu and Shinano?
north vine
wyvern
candid sluice
Hiryuu go for sea hornet/tigercat experimental wyvern/cuda
Nano same thing but has priority for wyvern in tb slot and her first slot can be replaced for whatever u want
Unless u need specific launch times to sync with something
radiant brook
So if there are 2 wyverns then both should go to shinano?
candid sluice
midnight heron
idk man thats just gonna delay her launch to kingdom come
would rather split the wyverns
candid sluice
Putting wyvern on 2x120 slot and butchering your launch time lol
candid sluice
Put it on a third carrier idk
radiant brook
So pvp shinano should always have 1 wyvern and one fighter?
elder crane
So what happens when I have 3 wyverns? Put a beacon onto shinano?
We never really got to that point, and now Nano doesn't seem like she makes it in anymore in toppest teams
so probably will see minimal exploration
it's possible it's good, maybe with beacon, it's possible that fighter is what you want instead still
light crystal
I don’t think we’re ever getting a jun skin
I still think Kaede's sitting on a gold mine here. Alot of peeveepee enthusiasts would be willign to fork for a Juneau skin
karmic forum
I still think Kaede's sitting on a gold mine here. Alot of peeveepee enthusiasts...
all 10 of us
zenith tundra
shinano comp works just fine tbh. you don't get hard countered by aquilla comps, they just work different
torpedo comp is cancer for any fleet but that doesn't mean you cannot run shinano because of them, you reset just as much as with other teams vs them
elder crane
I would say more still
cause you give torpteam extra time staying alive
plus no chance to trade vanguard back if yours gets nuked
light crystal
I also say it depends on ur vg
Pasta compa are formidable yes, but my manjuu Juneau and Seattle are still consistent against them so far
I will admit a good chunk of the pasta fleets I've gone against so far are either under level or have suboptimal kits
elder crane
Just wait til you meet the proper torpmemes ones
Where your vanguard and/or main mysteriously dissapears half the time :PortDoll:
Half the time Manjuu Juneau absorbs the torps heading at vanguard
Other half they mysteriously hit anyways
light crystal
That is not to say im not getting my pasta up to speed tho
light crystal
This still carries me consistently well 
spark galleon
What's the best pasta/preload meme vanguard vs the usual Nagato/Amagi/Shinano Jun/Azuma/X
So far anyway
Assuming i'm doing the VV/Percy/Aquila backline
spark galleon
Noshi/Naganami/Duca?
light crystal
Well, torps on Attack can still be aids, wouldn't recommend, even with pseudo landmines from Duca.
I'm thinking on combining Juneau into Attack, to add some more reliability for it
Perhaps Juneau/Duca/Noshi, or Juneau/Duca/Seattle.
And leave Jin/Duca/Noshi for Defense only, as they get better torp placement
Also, still not sure if I wanna put Teatorps and Black dildo on Duca
karmic forum
Noshi/Naganami/Duca?
Duca/Naganami/one of Noshi or Jintsuu might be the best setup
light crystal
why would torp on attack be aids
Because RNG. I dont wanna reset cuz my torps missed. Ur VG starts further back than the ones on Defense, making even harder to hit the backline. But if u wanna torp meme attack inspite of that, go right ahead
strange shuttle
Why is my front line being killed in a second?
flint python
preload
light crystal
Because bad RNG
strange shuttle
? No it did it like 5 times what is with this comp
light crystal
R u using DCP-Juneau + Double Wyvern? Because otherwise, it's gonna hurt, yes
strange shuttle
Idk these terms how does that comp one shot? Idk the current meta
candid sluice
Torpedoes probably blasting your azuma
And yep no juneau front lead to soak up dmg
flint python
because that comp fires literally at the start of the battle and most of the damage is concentrated towards your vanguard
light crystal
Not using DCP-Juneau to tank preload/torps. Proceeds to cry.
strange shuttle
I really hate juneou her voice lines are annoying.. is it required now?
light crystal
candid sluice
I mean if u want to increase your chances of living the initial dmg she’s a strong pick
I’m finding a lot of success using the suki against preload dump
If u don’t wanna juneau lead try her
flint python
fart cloud
light crystal
Seattle is reasonably tanky for me when used along Juneau, so she fares alright, as long as Juneau face tanks the torps. Cuz then, she takes little damage from Aquila 
People shouldn't be using torp meme on Attack, specially on this preload meta. If u trade bad with the torps, then ur just gonna die to AQL cuz ur squishy af kek
trail temple
I really hate juneou her voice lines are annoying.. is it required now?
Always has been
light crystal
Juneau has never been weak. Ever since DCP, she's only gotten more OP as well
candid sluice
Just uninstall her voicelines
light crystal
She's adorable, only monsters would find her annoying 
elder crane
Idk these terms how does that comp one shot? Idk the current meta
You can try something with immunity/shield instead, Duca/Leip probably
as lead unit
light crystal
Leipzig is good too
candid sluice
@meager valley tell us the secrets to beat your fleet
light crystal
Duca lead would also be fine
elder crane
just get lucky basically
try to stack deck in your favor
but torps + preload can just screw you anyways
strange shuttle
So with joenu having that orb what do I do here
candid sluice
Juneau with manjuu is imperative
elder crane
If you're trying to torpmeme, run Leip or Duca instead as lead
half-assed torps doesn't really work
if you insist though
she'll need black torp and rainbow torp with that loadout
candid sluice
Also having torps at +10 helps
strange shuttle
I don’t understand these terms have no idea what your saying , I used to have orb on this ship so idk what to hear her now
candid sluice
Damage control team
strange shuttle
Wait wtf I thought I did 10 that
elder crane
okay
do you have the auxiliary equipment that is the black torpedo
if you don't
then don't try to use torpteam basically
it's pretty much necessary
candid sluice
Black torpedo aux from perseus event
elder crane
and in that case, Jintsuu is probably not what you want
strange shuttle
I use it on middle ship
flint python
Just don't use torp team
elder crane
if you only have one then you're out of luck pretty much
you can try running it on Jint and running magtorps on Naganami instead
but you'll be heavily handicapped
strange shuttle
elder crane
would be fine although you'll want a staag or octagon or other accelerator AA gun optimally
but
you don't have a second one
and it's better to use this torpedo/aux loadout on Jintsuu and run magtorps instead on Naganami
double rainbow torpedo stick aux with that
trail temple
strange shuttle
Again all the slang is hard for me I don’t understand
elder crane
okay
ignoring AA gun which hardly matters anyways
it's better to use this torpedo/aux loadout on Jintsuu and run magtorps instead on Naganami
double rainbow torpedo stick aux with that
does this make sense
or something here that doesn't
strange shuttle
I don’t know “mag trops”
elder crane
magnetic torpedos
candid sluice
Rainbow magnetic quint torps on the skunk with double rainbow torpedo aux
strange shuttle
This?
uncut agate
candid sluice
There
elder crane
that'll be the best you can do
I have doubts it'll even be good, but
would rec you just run standard vanguard loadout instead of torpteam
strange shuttle
So wait you needed get a second during event ? I tried farming that but it didn’t drop that’s bs if it’s needed for pvp
strange shuttle
Again I don’t know slang I don’t know what your saying =/ run what now
elder crane
every time you open the map and clear it
flint python
elder crane
also it's no more bs than "needing" a ship or anything
you don't have to run torps
or like with this half-assed team I'm not sure it'd be good even with all the equipment
strange shuttle
Wrong because the event didn’t give enough time to farm it
elder crane
????
I famed two lol
I know ppl who farmed 3 or more
and you aren't guaranteed to get a ship either
flint python
You don't need them to pvp
strange shuttle
Ok? Well I was unlucky so it didn’t last long enough
elder crane
also that
strange shuttle
So how do I beat that comp then
elder crane
you don't even need to run torpedo team
just run standard team with either:
Juneau lead with Manjuu
Duca Abruzzi
Leipzig
and hope for not shit RNG
crude mortar
did people start to learn how broken pasta comp is
flint python
You can reset and hope the torps miss if you don't want to change fleet but then good luck
elder crane
here's the good ole rant
crude mortar
thats why i said shinano era is over
elder crane
if it was so easy to beat it would not be the meta setup
elder crane
you can't just run subpar team and expect to do well vs meta
and meta has moved on into using a stronger team
crude mortar
whole avrora sooner or later gonna become agent f comp
elder crane
anyways that's why torpedo meta is pretty cancer
strange shuttle
What’s duca anruzzi? And why am I using Leipzig? I loved that ship just to retro
crude mortar
its duca
radiant brook
Guess I'm fucked in not having VV
elder crane
it's just super RNG, you can't even do well with a mirror setup
elder crane
you don't need VV probably
trail temple
radiant brook
So Aquila is the real mandatory?
elder crane
so far there's no clear advantage in the preloads and/or Hiryuu used
crude mortar
yes
leaden sky
that's why ppl been saying aquila fleet, not vv fleet
flint python
Shinano 🚮
strange shuttle
So what do I do to beat this? I don’t know all this slang
elder crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749898857567223848/843327086269300756/Cap...
this basically if you aren't convinced, it's just stupid
you can literally just slot her into IJN team and you didn't make it worse
crude mortar
@strange shuttle keep resetting
elder crane
So what do I do to beat this? I don’t know all this slang
Do you see who "Duca d'Abruzzi" is now?
strange shuttle
No
flint python
elder crane
sorry I don't think we can help someone who can't read
flint python
Your opponent is literally using duca
elder crane
the guy didn't even rename her or anything
elder crane
flint python
crude mortar
strange shuttle
Mine is this
elder crane
Look
you come in
and trickle in info
every time we say something you go like "I don't have it"
so we give you more than one option since maybe you have one of them
and you say "what do I do?"
????
strange shuttle
<@&460646206851252224> this is breaking rule
wooden hatch
crude mortar
wide minnow
What
flint python
elder crane
with your account situation you might have to gasp experiment around
sometimes we just have to guess since you don't have the stuff we're testing
which I've made quite clear
strange shuttle
This person is dinting me and being rude for no reason
flint python
wide minnow
@elder crane you can drop your negative attitude towards other users. It’s against our rules
delicate owl
bluerendar isn't even being negative
wide minnow
But please do try not to ping the entire moderator role for an issue. A single mod or lil mod is plenty enough
delicate owl
he's just trying to help in a nice way
strange shuttle
This isn’t nice
wide minnow
Eh, reading more I do retract that. I saw the comment about not being able to read
It isn’t nice but it isn’t as bad as it seems. I just recommend everyone cool down and move on
candid sluice
lucid trout
https://media.giphy.com/media/ms5h1IRZQrJh17BQAA/giphy.gif
i love these
candid sluice
I really can’t see where the “negativity” is here
radiant brook
At this point should I swap out shinano for Aquila?
tranquil badge
for attacking? i would based on what i've done
candid sluice
What’s your fleet
radiant brook
Aight
strange shuttle
So do I need to lv anyone else?
elder crane
If you're just making one sub, that's possible though I'd think about dropping others
tranquil badge
actually yeah, what is your fleet?
radiant brook
Warkai/shinano/hiryuu/Juneau with manjuu/Helena/sandy
delicate owl
So do I need to lv anyone else?
aquila (if you haven't yet)
radiant brook
I don't have VV/nagato
tranquil badge
torricelli 120
crude mortar
AMEN
elder crane
do you have Richilieu
radiant brook
No
elder crane
or Perseus?
elder crane
hmm
candid sluice
Warkai without reveal is utter dog
radiant brook
I joined during shinano event
candid sluice
Replace replace
elder crane
I'd probably rec dropping Warkai then for Aquila?
radiant brook
Aight
candid sluice
Yeah if anything drop warkai lol
elder crane
might want to wait on USN event btw
I don't think it'll change anything but who knows
crude mortar
REPLACING MY INTERPID WITH NEW JERSEY
radiant brook
New Joisee
elder crane
What you'll be looking for btw, for PvP viability from the new ships
is either preload or a lot of damage reduction
crude mortar
CAN NEW ESSEX HAVE PRELOAD?
elder crane
or somehow some buff to preload although I don't see how that makes sense from the theme
flint python
radiant brook
tranquil badge
inb4 New Jersey's support skill brings back CV protection after reveal
candid sluice
Preload with four gun mounts here we go
sharp obsidian
Hi! Can someone share a screenshot of your Shinano and Aquila loadout?
crude mortar
can newest essex class had preload
candid sluice
Anything and everything gettingg preload now
frail orbit
flint python
anyone canhave preload if dev decide to
tranquil badge
Just make a ship to negate preload skills
frail orbit
Tho it's predictable if she got preload
crude mortar
fuck the lore jsut give everyone preload like aquila
candid sluice
Next thing u know some Chinese carrier getting double preload airstrikes with 4x150 tb slot
elder crane
Hi! Can someone share a screenshot of your Shinano and Aquila loadout?
Hornet/F7F/VF-17 slot 1
XSB3C slot 2
Wyvern slot 3
Aviation fuel
Beacon/Microphone
same on both
radiant brook
Gotta say manjuu did a very good job shaking the meta with just one event
elder crane
you could consider Flight Pioneer aux equipment on a flagship depending on the team
candid sluice
Hey guys remember that one obsolete iowa class? Yea give em preload and make em ur rarity
radiant brook
Before DH: IJN or bust
After DH: preload or bust
candid sluice
Wtf is flight pioneer
tranquil badge
tbh preload or bust was a thing even before Italy
elder crane
what's the name for FM already
tranquil badge
it just got much better after
sharp obsidian
Hornet/F7F/VF-17 slot 1
XSB3C slot 2
Wyvern slot 3
Aviation fuel
Beacon/Micropho...
Thank you! I’ll craft a few of the XSB3Cs then. Still using Helldivers
elder crane
that's fine for now
candid sluice
Frontier medal
radiant brook
But IJN still reign supreme even if Richy is already a thing
candid sluice
elder crane
is not a big upgrade unless you +12/13 them anyways
just a bit more AA and +20 Aviation
elder crane
tbh for nano idk if you should be caring about launch timing now
I don't think you can speed her enough to matter without gimping loadout too much
elder crane
right now though preload gets off their reload before Nano does anything at all
and the match ends not long after
candid sluice
But the damage is huge
flint python
just don't use shinano ez clap
candid sluice
Calling it right now yamato is going to give every ijn ship in the same fleet preload
Then we get a uss vg ship that prevents any dmg to vg for the first 5 secs of battle
crude mortar
just put all the preload to 10s
as a new mechanic
cuz aquila is busted
beyond redemption
candid sluice
Fax
crude mortar
maybe lv125 will fix it
elder crane
anyways personally
I think torps should be somehow buffed in PvP
but
PvP and CM and EX mode should get a time-decaying damage reduction
sharp obsidian
is not a big upgrade unless you +12/13 them anyways
I have enough to +13 one. But tbh, am saving up to +13 Wyvern since I finished +13 a few Ryuuseis
elder crane
like maybe -50%, with 1% less reduction per second
crude mortar
aquila broke pvp
sharp obsidian
Do you think I should focus on the XSB3Cs?
crude mortar
completely
tranquil badge
Aquila broke PvP as expected
elder crane
I have enough to +13 one. But tbh, am saving up to +13 Wyvern since I finished +...
do note that as rainbow each +1 on wyvern is worth an entire +13 on gold equipment, pretty much....
radiant brook
Nah, it's barely an upgrade from purple helldiver
elder crane
CM clear times rely on torps <:YorkBruh:588629709328482325>
exactly
radiant brook
The only thing it has above purple Helldivers is the ability to +13
elder crane
CM is broken too cause it's literally 5x 3 s clears or bust
sharp obsidian
do note that as rainbow each +1 on wyvern is worth an entire +13 on gold equipme...
Yup, that's why I focused on the Ryuuseis first for some PVE Boss. So now I was saving up Prints for Wyvern
crude mortar
candid sluice
We just gonna ignore better aa and 20 avi? Lol
sharp obsidian
But seems like I need to upgrade my DBs too
And prioritize building up Aquila
seems like Nagato Nanoryuu era is over
candid sluice
There’s always French preload and perseus to carry cm times
But definitely lower than torps
.5 hard cooldown lmao
candid sluice
radiant brook
The only thing holding Perseus back is terrible efficiency and being completely useless after preload
candid sluice
Ya
radiant brook
Now we have a unrestricted version of Perseus in pvp now
elder crane
cause it doesn't even get to fire lol
elder crane
subs too, they just for buffs
candid sluice
I-13 only sub u need
elder crane
torpteam was not the issue inherently, it was that it's too much dmg frontloaded
candid sluice
Requires some skill to do well
tranquil badge
Skill in my Auto Lane
elder crane
anyways, Aquila basically followed in french footsteps
candid sluice
It’s the only entertaining portions of the game besides pvp
candid sluice
Hey guys you know what would be cool? Preload airstrike with zero drawbacks but also buffs on top of it
I think that would be healthy for the game
crude mortar
with 10% extra reload speed that stack addictively with beacon
so it could always lauch faster than nagato comp
elder crane
I would do my usual rant on "additive stacking damage boost blah blah" but really it's not that big diff
well
candid sluice
Yeah that sounds pretty balanced
elder crane
not really
elder crane
it's just same timing as Nagato CVs
crude mortar
bALaNcEd
radiant brook
Rip those who got cucked by rng and not getting Aquila
flint python
I just want lvl125 cap to drop soon 
crude mortar
yeah