and i don't use vv anyway
#pvp
crude mortar
time to suffer
silver walrus
Richelieu teams are very strong, if they can land the hits with their opener.
frigid grove
For now yes
crude mortar
wait til whole ladder fills with one ctrl c v vv aquila duca noshiro jints comp
frigid grove
Haven't grind VV yet
zenith tundra
the thing is the mirror of that is not at offense advantage tho. torp are much better on defense
crude mortar
yes
welcome to suffer lane
goodluck pushing last 4 min vs x4 of duca vv noshiro jint hiryu aquila comp
zenith tundra
so how many people will just use that shit for offense too? if not many then you have people using subgeared stuff on defense
silver walrus
I mean in terms of offense vs defense, I think its more of a pokemon response.
There is always a team that will shred yours.
Just depends on who is available.
zenith tundra
idk. it's still torp and they still die fast
empty grove
crude mortar
nihao
zenith tundra
duca is not tanky vs non torp
crude mortar
are you sure
covert swallow
duca is pretty tanky 
crude mortar
4360 base hp
candid sluice
5 min rushing gonna be a lot more risky now
crude mortar
96 evasion but +30% from self + vv buff
silver walrus
Is there a channel I be not seeing where teams are posted? I be fairly new to this server.
crude mortar
with one rudder shes tankier than yukikaze
she had 85 luck too
are you sure shes not tanky?
silver walrus
Well Yuki is more of a luck tank.
candid sluice
What’s her aa
crude mortar
and yukikaze had shitty aa
silver walrus
She could die very easily, or never die at all.
crude mortar
duca had like 480 aa
candid sluice
Damn
zenith tundra
we'll wait and see. i predict her tankiness to be nowhere what u say
zenith tundra
u know bb can set fires for 1k dmg
silver walrus
I like to gauge tankiness based on the most vicious enemy teams. Richelieu + Bart, IJN torp teams, etc...
Like, I have seen "tank teams" just wipe to Richelieu
crude mortar
you'll change your mind soon
silver walrus
Well see, you do have HP strength there,
but have you actually sent her against a French Fry team?
They can really hurt Cruisers big time.
light crystal
Well, AQL opens it up by the fact she's a perfect CV with Preload, and works with VV very well in turn cuz of VV's own strengths as well. No matter how OP the BB was, if your next best option was to use Perseus to destealth, you wouldn't consider them to be good for PvP, unless they brought like god AA or something. That's how much Stealth fucked with ALL BB's
silver walrus
Stealth really messed up BB's, NOT TO MENTION the fleet carrier.
light crystal
So dismissing VV as a standalone ship is not fair, it had more to do with the fact she's a BB anyway
silver walrus
Which like, really hurt some BB's like Friedrich.
zenith tundra
i never said anything about how good aquila is. i only said that vv is not pvp material without her compared to nagato that had many companions over all the metas
silver walrus
But even in that scenario, BB's can still put up a major fight.
Some ships are kinda meant to be faction team focused.
Like how Prince of Wales is garbage unless you give her USS.
zenith tundra
by no point of view u can say that vv is better then nagato considering weaker buff and only 2 viable ships for pvp
light crystal
So again, VV is good for a BB in PvP because she works well with the overall meta, as she's good herself offesinvely, and she brings in some anti-torp capabilities. The fact she buffs AQL (With Reload, Hit and AVI) is also a major strength.
crude mortar
and duca isn't ijn
light crystal
by no point of view u can say that vv is better then nagato considering weaker b...
She's better than Nagato.
crude mortar
nagato boost % stat but if your base stat isn't that wonderful to boost matter?
while duca had glorilla stat
aquila had 4 torp loadout
with preload
zenith tundra
nagato boost damage not avi stat
crude mortar
bALaNcE
by the time hiryu shinano launching strike aquila already launching 2nd
and you already losing all vg
welcome to azur lane pvp 2021
light crystal
Nagato buffs Reload/Hit and yes, AVI damage. But her Thicc Sever proc rate sucks, and besides the barrage, she's fairly underwhelming as a BB. But guess wut? VV buffs AVI/Hit/Reload as well. Sure, AVI stat is less than straight up AVI dmg mod, but she also brings more shit to the table than Nagato ever did.
silver walrus
I am a sucker who uses repair tools, and even the strongest Nagato fleet doesn't just wipe my group over.
zenith tundra
the breaking balance thing is just aquila. vv is an afterthought for torpedo memes
crude mortar
nagato cant hit backline all the time while vv had preload
and vv can randomly aim backline cuz aquila
silver walrus
I think you should not just assume best case scenarios for your team all the time.
zenith tundra
again aquila not vv herself
silver walrus
Like, have you not seen how annoying proc rates in pvp can get sometimes?
crude mortar
azur lane dev be like
hmm lets not making spagetti fleet bad
slap in glorilla stat
to them
ggez
silver walrus
Well new ships tend to get things to make em contendable.
crude mortar
is there any other CL with super high luck and evasion and giga nuke torp dmg on the top of torp reduction?
light crystal
the breaking balance thing is just aquila. vv is an afterthought for torpedo mem...
VV is more than a stat stick, she's a solid BB in her own right. Nagato is a stat stick with the occasional barrage.
zenith tundra
my point is. vv without aquila almost unviable, nagato without hiryuu/shinano still viable. that aquila is so strong that changes meta doesn't make vv really better then she is
silver walrus
Yeah, VV has a 1st load reduction for her volley.
silver walrus
That already makes her super good to me.
light crystal
Like, you dismissing VV as "An afterthought" is just too harsh or an assessment imo
elder crane
meh
zenith tundra
but u can use aquila without vv. so vv is not necessary
elder crane
Pretty much every VV team
silver walrus
The fact VV can dispatch Enterprise teams without fear of procs is important.
light crystal
If all you're gonna bring as a counter is "She buffs AVI dmg and not just stat, hurr durr".
silver walrus
Richelieu teams are basically my "gotta go fast" teams.
elder crane
some ppl even consider Richi > VV here since aren't forced to run Duca + debuffs on barrage
silver walrus
In that I gotta make a blow before the enemy can move.
elder crane
although i think that's stretching it
crude mortar
are you sure you not gonna run duca
elder crane
if you don't run VV then can consider it
crude mortar
silver walrus
I basically never run torp against richelieu teams due to how likely it is to miss torp and get blasted by her sacred fire.
crude mortar
how about just buy oil and lvling them
elder crane
if you run stall VG her kit is not a necessity
silver walrus
light crystal
I think Duca is top 10 CL, so I don't see how ppl would feel "forced" to use a solid ship anyway 🤔
crude mortar
silver walrus
Well Duca is basically a new ship, folks are still getting used to her anyway.
What we actually need is not new ships, but more retrofits.
Like, where is Retrofit UR French Ship?
zenith tundra
they don't seem to do many retros recently
silver walrus
elder crane
I think Duca is top 10 CL, so I don't see how ppl would feel "forced" to use a s...
if not the top 1 is always a tradeoff
now is she top 1 and if not how much is tradeoff vs Richi compared to VV
I think sounds stupid, just run VV and Duca
but I don't think it's much worse, if at all, to just run Richi instead, maybe even with Duca
so overall VV very optional
silver walrus
Richi as a BB tends to fall flat to speedy vanguards.
Cause she wastes time trying to hit shit too fast for her.
light crystal
I would rank CL like this: Juneau >> Noshiro > Jintsuu > Duca > Helena > Seattle > Leipzig > Sandi > Jeanne.
zenith tundra
her barrage actually always hit vg unlike most bb
elder crane
I would rank CL like this: Juneau >> Noshiro > Jintsuu > Duca > Helena > Seattle...
that doesn't even make sense since they aren't even in comparable team setups
silver walrus
Yeah...that list sounds way too situational.
light crystal
How so?
elder crane
like, jint outside of torpmemes? lmao
Jun in torpmemes? lmao
Noshi outside of torpmemes is defs not that high either
light crystal
Juneau works with anyone in general. And how am I claiming that you should run Juneau in torp meme?
silver walrus
I like to not consider torp teams as allfather amazing, due to the fact they could also just like...stupidly miss half the time.
zenith tundra
noshiro is ok as a standalone torp meme but duca should be better. jintsuu is strict torp meme with no use outside
silver walrus
Juneau is amazing for stalling, but like, the enemy ain't gonna die with stalls.
You still gotta kill your foe.
elder crane
Juneau works with anyone in general. And how am I claiming that you should run J...
your list puts it that way by comparing Jun and Jint like that
Duca is by far the better solo torp unit yeah
zenith tundra
ur list is also missing sandy which makes me thing u don't actually ever use aa
elder crane
and the better anti-torp tech too
light crystal
I didn't miss Sandi 🤔
elder crane
Sandy I'd stick way low
is very good vs planes
but
too dangerous esp for offense in an optimized team
cause even Azuma if she hits can take off half her HP
light crystal
Noshi outside of torpmemes is defs not that high either
Anyway, my ranking makes sense
silver walrus
Sandy is one of those situational only ships.
zenith tundra
she is good for the 1 thing she does vs non aquila comps
silver walrus
Only really nice for Triple carrier teams.
elder crane
Anyway, my ranking makes sense
it doesn't since you're comparing ships who are fundamentally uncomparable since they don't even work in the same teams
light crystal
it doesn't since you're comparing ships who are fundamentally uncomparable since...
I'm not including CA's and DD's
So you'd add them to mix and match to make teams
I just said these are the best CL's
silver walrus
I think his point is that you want to compare them based on their team strengths.
candid sluice
Tiering teams would make more sense
elder crane
and you fucking ranked them with comparisons lol
light crystal
Huh?
silver walrus
Since pvp only resorts to teams in the first place.
elder crane
yeah either rank by team or rank by in a type of team
candid sluice
Can’t rly compare juneau and jintsuu without considering the comp first
elder crane
Juneau >> Noshiro > Jintsuu
zenith tundra
it doesn't make sense tho
juneau>duca>seattle>noshiro>helena>sandy>>jintsuu
i have no clue about leipzig and jeanne since never used them
elder crane
?????
light crystal
Why do u like to over-complicate stuff sometimes, you're like N lmao
silver walrus
Kinda like how the other fella was dissing VV,
like, VV doesn't fight by herself.
She be faction buffer.
elder crane
you're massively oversimplifying to the point of uselessness
simplicity can be good/useful yes
but your list is not just useless, but straight up misleading
light crystal
Ok, u list wut are the best CL's for PVP
candid sluice
Context is important
light crystal
I wanna see ur attempt 
light crystal
Im asking tell me wut are the best CL's for PvP
Im not asking teams
Just tell me the CL's
north vine
helena 
candid sluice
You can make a list of good cruisers but u can’t tier them without considering the team comp as well
elder crane
even just a vague one is fine
silver walrus
Not only that, but I would also add a "what theme are you going for" too
Like York mentioned.
candid sluice
Jintsuu is better than juneau in torp teams but not as good in other comps
elder crane
it doesn't make sense tho
juneau>duca>seattle>noshiro>helena>sandy>>jintsuu
i ha...
this for example is nice for standard stall-esque vanguard in current meta
light crystal
Ok, so ur telling me I can bring Honolulu to PvP then? 
light crystal
Just make a team with Honolulu, and it should all work out then
elder crane
juneau>duca>seattle=Leipzig>noshiro>helena>JdA>sandy>>jintsuu would be my option on adding those two
light crystal
Well, that's a listing
candid sluice
light crystal
But would u include Honolulu in a list of CL's I should use for PvP then?
candid sluice
Why is Honolulu being brought up here
elder crane
I never mentioned that
I said
ranking them makes no sense without picking a team
can you read smh
light crystal
Like Stalling Vg, and torp meme VG, and AA VG
elder crane
even in their respective teams you can't compare Juneau vs Noshiro/Jint
silver walrus
You could make a tiering of "who is the best 3rd member in a team of X and X?"
That would make some sense I think.
elder crane
that would be the most detailed tiering yes
light crystal
The CL's I mentioned can all be put on either of those 3 types of teams
silver walrus
cause then thats a game of optimization
candid sluice
even *in* their respective teams you can't compare Juneau vs Noshiro/Jint
You’d have to tier teams for this to work 
elder crane
The CL's I mentioned can all be put on either of those 3 types of teams
no they cannot lmao
Jint in AA team or stall team literally Honolulu tier
light crystal
Not alone ofc, u would have to bring in DD's and CA's as needed, but I'm talking just CL's
And when did I say to bring Jintsuu to an AA team?
silver walrus
I mean the whole idea of team setups is to work on synergy.
candid sluice
Might as well use concord if you running jintsuu in place of juneau
silver walrus
Like, you can't just bring out 3 random meta ships and assume its picture perfect.
elder crane
the minimal two ways of tiering that remotely make sense or are useful is
- pick a team type, rank ships
- rank teams
going "juneau >> Noshiro" is ?????
how exactly does that make sense
candid sluice
Needs context in which teams before u can tier like that
light crystal
Because Juneau is the most universally used CL in PvP
Noshiro is right next to her
elder crane
you ranking by popularity?
candid sluice
So it’s a popularity ranking
elder crane
Noshiro isn't even second pretty sure
light crystal
Popularity and strengths, yes
elder crane
and strengths and there you go "juneau >> Noshiro" is ?????
light crystal
I think when ALM did his tiering, Noshiro was second most popular in all EN servers 🤔
candid sluice
That was a while ago
light crystal
Well, only Duca has been released since then
elder crane
you don't see her in almost any standard vanguard these days
light crystal
So like, nothing much would have changed
silver walrus
I mean if we did things purely by popularity anyway, we would have to believe Warspite and Enterprise are end all be alls.
candid sluice
When was the last time we worked on that list
silver walrus
Like, I am so sick of the endless enterprise teams.
It makes pvp such a boring mess.
light crystal
Around December, I guess? He released the list right when OS came out
candid sluice
It’s been a while then
elder crane
meta has massively shifted since then
and ppl have had 4.5 months to get better options leveled
candid sluice
More wyverns around too
light crystal
I sometimes swap out Azuma for Noshiro, and vice versa
For once, Noshiro would tend to tank CV's better, so when I'm having trouble with Azuma, just bring in Noshiro instead 
elder crane
like if we're talking pure team strength
right before new set of italians
Noshiro outside of torpteam has like 5-6 better options
and torps is still not that popular yet probably due to blacktorp gate
silver walrus
And again, I gonna argue that there is no such thing as an ultimate team anyway. There is always gonna be a team ready to overpower you Pokemon style.
elder crane
For once, Noshiro would tend to tank CV's better, so when I'm having trouble wit...
you sure about that
Azuma should do better
light crystal
I'm sure
elder crane
if Noshiro > Azuma works better is almost certainly that you're not stacking enough +speed to begin with for your team
light crystal
silver walrus
Yeah...Azuma is quite well known for being a beast.
Though granted, you don't see a lot of high tier Azuma's except for sub 500 ranking teams.
light crystal
silver walrus
So probably just less common to see her.
zenith tundra
every time i see a team with noshiro but without azuma for stalling it usually just doesn't do anything
light crystal
candid sluice
Azuma med armor low aa and slow nosh light
elder crane
Her AA is not that low and has massively higher HP
light crystal
I should use Boiler on the second Noshiro, but like, I use her in PvE, so I don't bother with Aux sawpping
silver walrus
Azuma stall teams usually get the job done for most instances.
Its really only a few certain setups that can beat em out.
radiant brook
And most don't even have azuma Dev 30 anyways
candid sluice
0 luck too
radiant brook
Because of PR3 being a thing and PR2 rates being very abysmal
silver walrus
I like to not really involve the DR's in my pvp design strats.
Cause they are like, super rare to see maxed out.
light crystal
Well either way, Noshiro has more AVI dmg eHP than Azuma does
silver walrus
I've only ever seen a 6 star Fried like, twice ever.
zenith tundra
it's only hard for people that weren't playing before pr2 came out
elder crane
that was a really long time ago now 
candid sluice
Me
light crystal
Noshiro benefits from Eva Rate, being a CL class in PvP, higher AA, and faster speed
silver walrus
Folks today do seem more attached to PR3 for grinding.
elder crane
Azuma benefits from literally having double her HP
and also smacking shit with her guns
light crystal
Noshiro
zenith tundra
my problem with noshiro is that either she does damage or she tanks. azuma can do both at the same time.
light crystal
Azuma
zenith tundra
it would be nice and all if all damage was cv and no bb or azuma involved
silver walrus
You know I would like to see more CB's too.
elder crane
You don't have the right extra AA stat btw
light crystal
Well, most of the time u get damaged from CV's nowadays than either Azuma, torps or some BB barrage.
zenith tundra
also full defense noshiro won't do as much as azuma in terms or damage
light crystal
So as it's hard to build against everything, might as well focus on the main threat atm, sky cancer
silver walrus
Thats the thing, you cannot build against everything.
Whatever team you make, there will be a setup that can take it down.
light crystal
Either way, I usually use Azuma by default, but sometimes switch to Noshiro
silver walrus
Just some units are harder to take down over others.
So they can cover a wider area of team setups.
Or require precise counter teams.
light crystal
I invested so many resources on Azuma and her kit, might as well put her to work
silver walrus
Yeah, like, Azuma will likely destroy a ton of teams one way or another.
silver walrus
more than say, Sandy Kai.
trail temple
Do you want me to drag the tablemaker here, or we can bring you to him?
light crystal
Maybe one day we can get Blue to join the Collusion Server, huh Andy
trail temple
light crystal
Well either way, I'm no Spreadsheet guy, so not gonna get into that rodeo. I can at least sorta confirm it in the field that Noshiro is generally tankier against Sky Cancer than Azuma, but make of that wut u will
silver walrus
X situation, Y situation.
I like to settle on that Noshiro and Azuma are both great units.
Just depends on what you fight.
elder crane
3300 (ish HP) /0.37857 (approx hitrate)/.25 (75% air resist, assuming they're not stealthed)/.85(damage reduction for PvP) = 40 k ish
idk how it gets anywhere near 100k
light crystal
I hope I can build my second Wyvern tomorrow 
karmic forum
@elder crane I still think you're underrating sandy
somber axle
Hello professional members of PVP.
My PVP tier: Cowshino >> VV >>>>>> Mic
I like booba 
karmic forum
She won't prevent destealth but she is tanky vs. planes and makes the rest of the team much tankier
2CV comps aren't going to go away anytime soon either
zenith tundra
sandy won't help vs aquila now. she is even more niche. also seattle can do aa too and also survive more
elder crane
idk about the RNG on that though
and I still have concerns on vs non-plane damage tbh
not convinced she won't just die to torps/shelling less often than something else would die to planes
light crystal
I haven't fucked around with Sandi too much lately. I did use her alot last year or on 2019. She was very consistent back then
karmic forum
sandy won't help vs aquila now. she is even more niche. also seattle can do aa t...
I'll be testing the comp I just posted against preload torp memes once more of them appear on av. I think it would do well though
zenith tundra
i don't think sandy makes any difference vs torp memes
karmic forum
idk about the RNG on that though
and I still have concerns on vs non-plane damag...
The caveat with using sandy is that you will need to take measures to protect her (I used manju+bulge and had juneau meatshield)
But it worked out quite well
zenith tundra
that comp just eats torp
karmic forum
Offense only, I think shes a lot less effective on defense
silver walrus
I think Manju was made specifically for Sandy.
elder crane
yeah was about to say, idk about that vs torps
silver walrus
Cause of strong carriers.
light crystal
I think Manju was made specifically for Sandy.
We got a deviant in here.
karmic forum
that comp just eats torp
I went 51-8 vs. an optimal torpmeme comp while testing.
light crystal
Welp, I've seen ppl running Manjuu on their Helena's too nowadays, so oh well
silver walrus
yeah, defense.
silver walrus
I try to get Sandy to be alive to proc anti air
elder crane
imo generalist team for offense as much as possible, specialized team for defense ideally
her anti-air doesn't even always pop either
candid sluice
Seattle
elder crane
at most she get 2 chances for vanguard, maybe even only 1 for some damage, and 3 chances for main
to pop no 1
I guess that's pretty consistent for main fleet?
silver walrus
And thats if she isn't killed upfront. But lets say good case scenario,
candid sluice
What’s the proc chance
elder crane
on her own tankiness
with the extra incidental dmg she eats, idk about that either
silver walrus
she can save teams with the AA
elder crane
50 per chance
candid sluice
Doesn’t she get blasted by azuma
elder crane
if Azuma hits her yeah, oof
karmic forum
You have to use her to believe it but she can survive surprisinly long
silver walrus
Well I mean, then it goes back to counterteams.
elder crane
if Nagato barrage/shots hits too
well
that's dead sandy
I had that happen like 2 times when I was trying her out
candid sluice
She’s hella strong when ur using triple carriers 
silver walrus
You would only use Sandy for heavy carrier teams.
zenith tundra
sandy only role is to prevent destealth and what you can get out of it in damage from cv
light crystal
Azuma is not a god. I'm running Azumagun+13 too, I'd know. Hits hard, but doesn't exactly deletes
karmic forum
She survives to hit the enemy backline in about 90% of games I played
candid sluice
Sandy usually last ship alive when I use triple cv
silver walrus
Like, trying to use sandy on a triple BB team is obviously bad.
So we talk her strengths.
elder crane
is not a deletion but instantly puts you behind on remaining eHP vs planes compared to other options
karmic forum
I think the key is running juneau lead without manjuu + nelson flag, it extends the survivability of your other two vangaurds significantly.
zenith tundra
there aren't really many 3 cv comps that are used or meta
candid sluice
Yeah I’m just stating personal experience
light crystal
is not a deletion but instantly puts you behind on remaining eHP vs planes compa...
Well, I guess it does soften u up for planes
silver walrus
there aren't. But when there are, Sandy is the situational ship for a situational time.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
elder crane
Leip very occasionally triggers me that way too
eats Azuma/Nagato and then pops immunity too early
zenith tundra
if we go back to the point of blue undervaluing sandy then it makes sense if she is just situational
candid sluice
She is situational
silver walrus
yeah, she is just situational.
elder crane
again I do think she's good on defense where situational is good and RNG is less of an issue
silver walrus
Which is alright for what it is.
karmic forum
She also happens to be a really good fit for the comp I posted above.
elder crane
I know over the years I've malded quite a bit about her when running specific teams
silver walrus
I have Sandy as a backup "Screw you Essex" unit sometimes.
zenith tundra
i haven't tried her much with richy aquila but seattle feels really good for me since i don't have wyvern yet and i need vg to win pretty much
flint python
They said Aquila is bugged
radiant brook
Sandy is more relevant now that CVs are increasingly common and she can eat chunks out of the plane health and reducing crash dmg
light crystal
They said Aquila is bugged
As in?
delicate owl
he's a cn player only
mint hornet
posting matcha's own post
leaden sky
Certainly with those bugs aqui way too op
mint hornet
for ease of reading:
First is her hidden value recovers faster than other cvs, second is her shield absorbs 600 times of her total HP. Both fixed.
Aquila third bug found, her damage reduction skill actually applies to the whole fleet, not herself alone.
leaden sky
Even if all of them fixed, I believe she will still be a great ship
silent ocean
Prob
light crystal
Well, then it's nothing major so far, seeing as they've fixed the major issues already (Tho Re-stealth doesn't matter in PvP)
candid sluice
Third bug been fixed or not yet?
light crystal
Best to assume so, or that it will get fixed soon.
silver walrus
600 times her HP? Well hot damn.
Well I'm sure its not too hard to take down about 3 million HP in damage, right?
mint hornet
probably one of the hotfixes day 1 of event or something
I remember getting a game is out of date
candid sluice
Yeah was abt a 36Mb download
sour oasis
for ease of reading:
First is her hidden value recovers faster than other cvs, s...
Pre-emptive Shoukaku counter 
?
zenith tundra
weren't there like 2 of them?
mint hornet
I think there were 2, yea
zenith tundra
i tried it myself in pve. torp damage in w13 went from 271 to 238 on vg ship. after reset i'll try pvp too to see if it applies there too
karmic forum
Alright time to throw all my testing out the window lol
silent ocean
should just leave it and have them reword it to applies +dr to fleet based on skill lvl happy accident 
fresh sandal
just wondering, what minimum dev level would you probably need for azuma to take her in the pvp fleet?
uncut agate
Dev25
zenith tundra
- before that she doesn't do much and she isn't tanky enough
fresh sandal
rip, just short of 25, i'll stick to yuki for a bit longer then
candid sluice
Let’s fucking gooooo
silver walrus
Bad news, OP ability people exploited can't be exploited anymore.
ripe latch
zenith tundra
no patch in en yet
light crystal
So yeah. Pasta comp OP, to make Intrepid bitch about it
radiant brook
light crystal
something is wrong with his comp
He's try hard tho, meta slave. Usually doesn't bitch about comps either
radiant brook
We are sick of IJN comps
So manjuu gave us pasta cancer instead
Technically we got what we wanted
royal oyster
"meta slave" crying over a comp working exactly as it's designed to do
light crystal
stable dawn
imagine not using off-meta AA comp smh
candid sluice
Gotta love seeing ppl mald over comps
next burrow
What role in particular does richy play in the comp btw?
crude mortar
nuke
next burrow
With her barrage?
I can see how aquila and vv work together tho since vv fires soon after cvs hv been detected
candid sluice
Richy shoot at vg
candid sluice
Less burst dmg up front but u have a get out of jail card
elder crane
I can see how aquila and vv work together tho since vv fires soon after cvs hv b...
that's not how the team works
you take advantage of the fact that CVs are stealthed at start
so for a 2 CV team, 3/4 of the time for each salvo, it's aimed at vanguard
and then with Aquila strike damage and 5 shots from Richi+VV and torps you try to delete vanguard
and with Aquila spotting, your magtorps then murder a main fleet ship if they didn't hit vanguard earlier (note that being spotted now means magtorps home in on CVs too)
then you win cause either they lost a main fleet ship super early and/or cause CV can't deal with vanguards in their face
radiant brook
Time to use Juneau/Helena/sandy to kill the planes then
candid sluice
Using HE shells u got good chance of clipping them
candid sluice
Esp if u using something like 818 Aquila
next burrow
Also, not sure of how long it takes for the CVs to be spotted after aquila, but does it not happen before vv fires? Cuz then the salvos might aim at the main instead of vg (i really dunno what im saying tho cuz i havent faced this comp yet)
radiant brook
Does that pasta torp comp countered by final counter?
candid sluice
Also, not sure of how long it takes for the CVs to be spotted after aquila, but ...
I think they get released before ye unless vitt is using hpfcr
next burrow
Okay so we use HPFCR then right
candid sluice
That’s what I’ve seen people use
next burrow
Ah cool, now it all makes sense. Thanks
candid sluice
That guy runs wacky equips
hidden robin
this f***ing score calculation is ridiculous
i haven't lost any but because of the motherf***ing sandbagging technique, it looks like these cheated a few exercise turn
royal oyster
those aren't sandbaggers
mint hornet
hidden robin
those aren't sandbaggers <:AkagiLUL:531988392699887616>
then how did they get so high score ?
uncut agate
Luck
it's not that high, just 15-16 score more
hidden robin
then it should have happened to me since the beginning of this game, but I have never been this high
I've just sent a short idea feedback on pvp calculation change suggestion to Bot Belfast, hope it could affect something...
royal oyster
I mean you clearly don't understand how it works anyway
hidden robin
and btw, 15 scores is not low, it's higher than your average point earn
hidden robin
I mean you clearly don't understand how it works anyway <:PortDoll:5855852411425...
can i have an opinion that because the point calculation is not straightforward, it sucks ?
royal oyster
maybe there was a daylight savings shift somewhere 
hidden robin
not sure if you guys say "maybe" because the system is vague for real or you guys are just playing around with me
but anyway, thanks for concern
mint hornet
I mean you seem to know what sandbagging is
That explains the point differential
They got more bonuses than you
hidden robin
and i hate it, it's just not fair for everyone
but i just cannot argue about this to anyone because few people care about pvp
royal oyster
if you really cared about your point total so much you wouldn't be at 0 exercises right now
hidden robin
more like i care much so i hate it
or else I would just be pleased with my above point
leaden sky
U need a lil bit rng and actual effort if u want high points diangelius
Most of them do those exers at last minutes
hidden robin
RNG is not always on my side though, some idiots just let themselves fall back to..... 300~400 rank
leaden sky
Unless like ur opponents are rushers
hidden robin
so i cannot snipe them hard
leaden sky
Thats normal, if they dont rush, u wait them til one of em get into top 100
Thats how u accumulate ur points
hidden robin
furthermore i just cannot login and logout all the time to observe them 
flint python
Just play pvp for merit
leaden sky
Now u get the difference, those peeps have time to do that
zenith tundra
unless you lose attempts what's the point of complaining about people that get bonuses? i got top 10 rank last season and ended with 2512 on avrora
hidden robin
such unfair-ness is my point though
flint python
That's just how scoring works it's dumb and pvp in this game is pepelaff
zenith tundra
2512 btw is like 14 pts over base score
royal oyster
339 0/10 right now is 7 points over base score approximately. so you're over halfway there
zenith tundra
if you care about ranking the only way to get really high is sandbagging
hidden robin
that was what i said from the beginning but Vice said those top players didn't sandbag
royal oyster
if you find it annoying to do on the first day, I don't recommend trying it for 2 weeks straight
hidden robin
so i was confused a little bit
zenith tundra
from a merit point of view there is no reason to care about how many bonuses other people get and that's the only reward for pvp
hidden robin
bah, i just want high score with my effort so it looks cool and i think i also deserve it though
i know pvp only has merit as benefit
royal oyster
why do you think you deserve anything
hidden robin
because i farmed hard ?
zenith tundra
they most likely just staggered their attempts like not used them at once and had people move in their list in between them
hidden robin
not like i'm lazy
ebon kraken
zenith tundra
it's kind of sandbagging but not to the extent actual sandbaggers do it
hidden robin
they most likely just staggered their attempts like not used them at once and ha...
that's even more risky
you end up being paired with low ranks
oh and also, opponent pairing system in pvp sucks too 🤣
zenith tundra
i mean actual sandbaggers are like rank 2-3k if they are at 5/10 now or like 6k if at 8+/10
rank doesn't really matter as long as you find people that use attempts
north vine
we are doing it for merits anyway
zenith tundra
it is the only reason to do pvp anyway
north vine
after aotn just enjoy a good sleep
zenith tundra
unless u like flexing eos score
north vine
sucks ass having a scuffed pvp time in my timezone
empty grove
delicate owl
zenith tundra
yeah i know. 2nd reset is at 4am for me
flint python
Jp?
zenith tundra
i mean the one before daily reset one not sure how people count them
flint python
I'm not sure how you count them too so
north vine
9am/3pm (daily reset)/3am
leaden sky
8am/2pm /2am
zenith tundra
new day > 1st daily reset 12 hr after > 2nd reset 6hr after 1st> 3rd reset 6hr after 2nd
candid sluice
candid sluice
Who are your other options
elder crane
and btw, 15 scores is not low, it's higher than your average point earn
Early season it's less
You get more pt per fight, so each bonus pt is worth less than later on
So game hands out extra
Also the higher your score is the harder it is to get more bonus, so that caps you
Is why a lot of sandbagging is not that much better than just some sandbagging
elder crane
Richi Aquila VV
I'm very surprised :AkagiLUL:
karmic forum
Yeah that seems about right for that comp
Even after Aquila gets fixed it's going to be annoying to face on defence
light crystal
Her third so-called bug already got fixed
karmic forum
On EN? I only recall it being fixed on CN
light crystal
Why wouldn't EN also get the same hot fixes that CN gets 🤔
karmic forum
The DR% applying to all ships in your fleet
light crystal
Have u looked into EN files then?
light crystal
Today?
elder crane
No was a few days ago
No micropatches since tho
Did you forget about TB bug already
Where CN never got the bug
JP fixed immediately
EN waited a whole month
light crystal
Well, I'm going to assume it's been patched then, unless u still find it's bugged as of today. Also, it whouldn't matter against defense fleets, cuz the Attack bonus would cancel it out anywya
elder crane
????
light crystal
!!!!
elder crane
It was broken a few days ago
Literally no patches since
Idk why you'd think it's fixed
light crystal
So it's been fixed, gotcha fam.
light crystal
Probably
karmic forum
Just test it to see if it's fixed or not
light crystal
Too lazy
elder crane
Yeah just go to any fight and compare w and w.o Aquila
Probably EN devteam is being lazy again
light crystal
And I wanna get Blurendar mad cuz he gets funny when he's mad.
light crystal
Well, I get some nice reactions form u
light crystal
Nah, u still get really angry :v
elder crane
?
light crystal
!
light crystal
Well either way, as I said, it wouldn't be an issue against Defense fleets cuz of the Attack bonus. It might give u an edge I guess on Attack fleets, but long term it wouldn't matter as it'd get fixed anyway
elder crane
You daft here smh
Torpteam already has advantage on defense
Though for this it really does not matter
elder crane
Yeah but the issue is Aquila torps you dumdum
Is like your stupid CL list all over again
light crystal
Well, the other guy was specifically referring to the glitch that applies damage debuff for whole team
elder crane
In context of that team
light crystal
Now now, no need to get personal, it makes look like some angry old man :v
elder crane
mint hornet
elder crane
Yeah that seems about right for that comp
Ah yes only about torps Aquila totally doesn't matter
light crystal
I did noticed his VG ate fuck ton of CV damage tho, so as long as ur carriers can launch a strike, it's fine
elder crane
Is the usual torpteam things
You'd be surprised how many times you win anyways when they land torpnuke
light crystal
If u got a couple of Wyvern, assuming u survive initial torp burst, u can still kill them easily enough, just RNG-y
elder crane
Cause the vanguard is still tissue
Even with Abruzzi helping with that
But yeah the main thing I wasn't expecting to be so annoying is that Aquila spot your CV before torps reach
So mags actually home...
Makes it that much more likely something gets nuked
light crystal
I will admit tho that using Duca instead of Naganami is scarrier as far as comparing the two torp meme comps goes.
More consistent
elder crane
I'm still not convinced it's right choice, would rather drop a cruiser personally
Probably Noshiro on defense and Jint on offense
light crystal
This torp meme comp is scarier than the Naganami variant. It has more consistency. Blessed be landmines.
light crystal
Jintsuu's buffs are bigger tho
elder crane
Drop Noshiro for a defense setup
And Naganami torps hit harder and she gets extra launch over Jintsuu
That one tbf sounds sketchier but ehh
-Noshiro on defense at least should be just fine
light crystal
I think that buffing Duca with Noshiro/Jintsuu, whose buffs are bigger than Naganami's, is better. The main star here is Duca.
karmic forum
The numbers for Abruzzi/naganami are much better
Preload torps don't matter as much when you also have Aquila and VV adding to the preload damage
elder crane
5% less avg dmg per torp out of Abruzzi for Naganami > Noshiro
karmic forum
Meanwhile you get two more waves at 10s
elder crane
And yeah you get extra torp launch at 10 s and stronger torps than Noshiro
-torp dmg mattes less for defense since anyone running torps on offense is in for bad days anyways probably
light crystal
I don't like the consistency of trying to shoehorn in Nagamami over the other Jin/Nosh, just because Naganami "may" hit harder. But eh. It could work, it could not. There's some pros and cons I guess.
karmic forum
From my experience naganami not only deals more damage but is also more survivable somehow
When facing torpmemes on defense
elder crane
She does actually have higher paper eHP than Jint
Vs anything but planes at least, where's she's worse without Nano buff
karmic forum
However you could even run the comp -naganami and still get the results that I showed in my video
elder crane
And also more speed ofc
karmic forum
Goes to show that you really don't need that much damage when you're also running preloads
elder crane
Yeah for a defense comp it actually does probably not matter too much
Run duca + 2/3 and you can already nuke shit and make ppl mald anyways
light crystal
Well, assuming ppl start running more AQL, and if AQL kills Naganamis easier, then that's another demeirit for trying to use her
elder crane
Honestly interested in Leip as a tech maybe
light crystal
Noshiro/Duca/VV anti-torp stacks could help in mirrors
elder crane
Wouldn't that make it worse maybe
light crystal
So that may be another factor
karmic forum
Inb4 the real tech is running bulge on backlinev
elder crane
VV+Bulge is probably not saving anything still
light crystal
Just run Amagi
elder crane
Given my experience that even +10 HMS quads can snipe anyways
covert swallow
If I have jintsuu in front spot, can I run HMS torps on her without black aux, or will they not work most of the time.
karmic forum
Duca generally wants front
elder crane
Rudder still doesn't do much
Amagi I guess maybe helps if you stack bulge and VV, otherwise on avg you still don't evade a torp before being killed
and then you lose anyways cause you spent slot on bulge and slot on Amagi
karmic forum
You can probably tech in Duca in standard meta
And that might just increase the winrate
light crystal
Isn't the main issue of Standard meta AQL users tho?
If u mean standard, u mean tyring to run Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu no matter wut
karmic forum
Standard shouldn't struggle as much without the 12%DR
elder crane
I don't think anyone has properly tested standard offense vs nontorp Aquila team
karmic forum
I tested as the Aquila team
elder crane
Torps, well
Torps were already an issue to begin with
light crystal
Wut is a non-torp AQL team anyway?
karmic forum
But can't really conclude anything since she was bugged
light crystal
Juneau/Duca/X?
karmic forum
Juneau/Azuma/X
elder crane
Usual Aquila+preload+X and Juneau Azuma
light crystal
Azuma
karmic forum
Richy or VV last slot probably hiryuu
elder crane
I'm also curious what happens if you just randomly slot aquila over Hiryuu
elder crane
Had a lot of success with Musekagi over Hiryuu vs standard comps
Yeah with current DR maybe a nobrainer
light crystal
Makagi with Wyvern is probably reliable. Makagi without, is hit or miss.
elder crane
Actually I wonder if I should just use her now
light crystal
The Key is having at least two Wyverns here.
Three optimal, for 2 on Shinano and one on Makagi
spring kestrel
what would be my best build for shinano? only have 1 wyvern
candid sluice
Sea hornet experimental wyvern avgas beacon/mic
If u wanna go full crashmemes use cuda slot one
covert swallow
should I change any gear, specifically the aux? (I only have 1 black torp aux)
And yes I know this comp isn't the best especially without multiple black torp aux, but I just want to know best gear setup for them anyways.
light crystal
U seem to be going for an Attack fleet? Otherwise, u'd be running Double dildos on everyone. Well, I suggest taking out the tea torps from Duca and just using quint rainbows, and use a STAAG on Jintsuu
covert swallow
don't have any rainbow torps, should I just use the same torps I have on jintsuu? and I only have 1 STAAG which is on a BB currently
covert swallow
alright ty
candid sluice
Have fun with the nimiping
next burrow
Is there an optimal minimum AA range?
empty grove
@prisma scaffold
prisma scaffold
Is this where I go for off topic convos
zenith tundra
i don't usually focus on aa balancing. i use staag on bb and azuma and sextuple on ships with high aa. there isn't much room to optimize range/rof usually
north vine
just sextuple + 13 and staag
it works
elder crane
but why roomba when you can just add yet another sex bofors
light crystal
Imma put Sex Bofor on Duca
And STAAG on the rest
On Seattle I run Yamato AA and Sex Bofor. Would use Des Moines gun instead of Yammy gun, but too expensive to maake
zenith tundra
F for aquila, she was fixed, time to scrap her to get ring back
crude mortar
is she bad now?
undone tree
Is BiS still IJN fleet, or is some sardegna being incorporated now?
crude mortar
zenith tundra
if vv aquila hiryuu before aquila fix struggled vs standard then i don't think it'll be bis after aquila fix. might still be the most cancer comp on defense with torpedoes tho
crude mortar
just 12% reduction isn't it
zenith tundra
just...
crude mortar
removing the dmg reduction
but it doesn't change the fact that this shit fleet still nuking everything
zenith tundra
is the fleet nuking or torpedoes?
zenith tundra
well torp don't work that well on offense so it's not bis for sure
candid sluice
She still has her entire kit 
Not like she’s not gonna perform well without the bugs
zenith tundra
we'll see if the gimmick will keep up all that well
i feel like people completely underestimate how much 12% dr on all ships is
undone tree
so then BiS is still IJN? So Nosh/Jun/Azu + what? it used to nagato/hiryuu/amagi but I don't think that's still it
zenith tundra
instead of amagi u put in shinano
undone tree
And I assume its hiryuu kai and not meta?
zenith tundra
yes final counter is still as busted as always
candid sluice
Hiryuu meta is pretty bad for pvp
radiant brook
Hiryuu will probably be t-ex until a nerf
undone tree
lmao nerfs in AL
what's the best loadout for shinano for pvp? currently using her for meta fights so its helldiver/ double ryuusei
something tells me that's incorrect for pvp lol
leaden sky
Wyvern goldiver wyvern + fav auxes
candid sluice
Ryuuseis are garbage for pvp
I’m running sea hornet experimental wyvern avgas beacon on mines
undone tree
let me just go grab my double wyvern
beacon reduces time by like .5s right? 4% of ~20?
candid sluice
Depends on your plane loadout of course
eager birch
Hello guys i would like to ask for fleet help , this is what i use ; but i am trying to break top 3k on Amagi for the first clear rewards (although i doubt i can due to the levels, but if i can improve the formation thats good enough) , dock link is below in a Imgur. I assume first order of bussines is probably leveling Juneau to usable levels? You can either choose a fleet from my already leveled ships / or tell me the best case scenario from my current dock (even if not leveled , so i know what to work towards) assume i have most purple BiS at +7 with some golden gear. The fleet however sometimes punches well above its weight , can even kill some lv 120 line ups. (unless its a oathed FDG or something i usually avoid those and attack fleets around my rank but they thin out heavily when im nearing ~4k leaderboard)
candid sluice
You have a pretty solid roster of ships there
But honestly if you’re still at the 3-4k ranking range, esp on amagi server, you can just use the highest level ships you have and pick up wins regularly
I see you have some of the recent pasta ships unlocked and one of the being Aquila, I highly recommend you raise her
You can pair her with your warspite once she’s max limit break I think that will work for u
eager birch
Yeah i think the problem is levels (esp. on Baltimore but im working on it) Aquila and Duce are on the list too. Okay thank u for the tips
candid sluice
Enterprise is also an option you have
eager birch
She would replace Centaur?
candid sluice
If you can pick up a helena (guild shop has her) she works well in exers to rng some wins and also highly worth raising for other contents of the game
I wouldn’t replace centaur mainly because she’s one of your higher lvl ships
eager birch
Helena retrofit is in the fleet (middle)
leaden sky
U dont want to use balti in pvp, she's way too squishy in there
candid sluice
Just target fleets that u know you’ll be able to beat, basically free merits and experience for u along the way
If u want to go for ranks u should raise pvp specific ships such as juneau and hiryuu
Although rank pushing in amagi isn’t too difficult if u know what you’re doing
eager birch
U dont want to use balti in pvp, she's way too squishy in there
Any ideas who to put instead? I put her to buff Essex mainly. Maybe Tallin / Saint Louis / Kirov those are some of my leveled VG's?
candid sluice
Just remember that in early pvp levels are worth much more than specific ships, the boost you get from level gaps is massive
leaden sky
Any ideas who to put instead? I put her to buff Essex mainly. Maybe Tallin / Sai...
Duca
U have some good ships like suzu/yuki but they're underlevel
eager birch
Suzu / Yuki / Ayanami will be focused on once i finish Izumo (but getting off topic here) , i will definitely check back in after a few weeks here probably
leaden sky
Tbh i'd suggest u raise juneau for vg instead like york mentioned above
At least she would help ur fleet lasts longer
next burrow
Manjuu pearl jun, rudder boiler helena vs manjuu boiler jun, rudder pearl helena
Which do you think would work better on defense overall?
north vine
manjuu boiler jun, sg radar pearl helena
candid sluice
First imo
next burrow
Hmmm
Also radar is interesting
On one hand I want my opponent to hv to wait 20s to refresh
Otoh will she even last that long 
north vine
she wont if azuma manages to focus her down
elder crane
Helena is also probably not as problematic comparatively in the upcoming meta
candid sluice
sour oasis
F for aquila, she was fixed, time to scrap her to get ring back
Wait, rings are recycled? Will it subtract from your oathed ships if you scrap?
elder crane
It was a shitty rumor
stable dawn
ripe latch
ripe latch
what a trash game , 5 rainbow torps - 5 missed
candid sluice
That’s single braincell auto AI for u
crude mortar
they need to update in game ai
to avoid torp
why the vg
trying to avoid torp
but
after torp pass
still running back into torp
like idk
sour oasis
📜
elder crane
ofc even better would be to bait then dodge but maybe that too much
okay
so what I think is
for PvP and CM and EX mode
there should be a decaying dmg debuff applied right at start
elder crane
lol
crude mortar
just add penalty to torp already
candid sluice
Just let us manuel our exercises smh
distant token
manual torp meta
candid sluice
-20% torp dmg
zenith tundra
torp heal enemies instead of dealing damage
sour oasis
Change PvP into Hanafuda
crude mortar
rainbow bulge with 60% torp reduction
crude mortar
MY TRIPLE WYVERN FLEET IN NEXT 3 MONTH
DIE YOU FRAGILE INSIGNIFICANT CRATURES
no helena proc
helana enty proc
candid sluice
trail temple
Unless you're using percy warkai and fdg, he is better
candid sluice
I wouldn’t +13 any cruiser or destroyer guns other than triple234
light crystal
Too bad u only need one Wyvern for bestest Pasta fleet
crude mortar
i need my 3rd wyvern
candid sluice
Don’t we all
crude mortar
also that guy had treaty on
next burrow
I wouldn’t +13 any cruiser or destroyer guns other than triple234
Hmm not even when it’s a BB secondary?
candid sluice
Hmm not even when it’s a BB secondary?
It’s not a high priority but if u wanna max out your pvp gear go for it
crude mortar
wdym not high priority
cl gun is like 2nd highest priority gun
in ijn comp
the 1st is azuma gun
the 2nd is nagato seattle gun
candid sluice
crude mortar
next burrow
It’s not a high priority but if u wanna max out your pvp gear go for it
Aight thanks
leaden sky
Yes
candid sluice
Of course
trail temple
You kinda do... and when you don't 99.99999% of the time it's not worth considering
sour oasis
||Oath your Bullins||
light crystal
Yes, I can put tea torps + black dildo on her. But then I figured, on the second wave they would not have tracking, which would be the wave where her Torp stat may be through the roof due to the Skill proc. So meh.
Manjuu plz buff her so that preload torps benefits from skill proc somehow, kthx
light crystal
What's more damage for Ayanami, using double Rainbow Dildo, or Black/Rainbow instead? Putting aside the tracking (Which doesn't matter if I'm running Rainbow Mag torps anyway) and only looking at raw damage. I'm thinking that the 5% extra Torp damage will probably scale better over missing 30 Torp stat, cuz her base is just shy of 1k Torp is skill procs.
vapid vortex
The 5% only applies to the first shot. Which you will not have the skill active for
So do not worry about the cumulative effect of them stacking. Just make your comparison on your first shot assuming they’re not stacking and then factor the 2nd shot without the 5%
From my rough estimate numbers with black torp your first shot will do 1.6% more dmg but the 2nd shot will do 3.2% less
So if your torpedoes already have homing properties, don’t use black torp
cba calculating the impact of black torp’s +15 hit vs rainbow torp’s +10 reload on top of that
candid sluice
🚮
dull hollow
finally ran into a shinanoryuu comp using some british torps
and my persues warspute meme just blew him to pieces
well tbh it was still 50/50 if the torps oneshot warspite or something
but if u make it past the torps the win is pretty much free
+13 champagne gun on warspite is pretty decent
ik ppl said u want 2 rainbow guns for this but im getting by pretty well
lethal tapir
if nagato dies does my shinano still have her buffs?
hot creek
yeah, Nagato's buffs are persistent iirc.
zenith tundra
nagato buffs are still active after she dies. maybe they just didn't think it was worth putting while alive on a flagship only buff because in pve is insta defeat if she sinks
rugged frigate
On what part here that shows the ranking pts(the pts needed to advanced to different higher ranking)you have?
Cuz I can't count from the ranking pts meter
tall nimbus
rapid vessel
Are leaderboards global or server based?
candid sluice
Server
rapid vessel
Are all servers just as competitive? like is it easier for me to climb on Sandy rather than Amagi
north vine
pretty sure only avrora is
rapid vessel
I just dont wanna climb to top 10 for someone tell me its easy to do that on sandy
candid sluice
There are some tryhards on all servers ofc
My guild is full of tryhards in amagi server
stable dawn
wash seems to be pretty tryhard now too
elder crane
Avrora has the most PvP players overall so has the highest top ~10 EoS scores usually and the highest proportion of good defense teams (although 10×0=0 )
Probably hardest to hit gensui on but it's still a joke really as long as team is not garbage
But if you're shooting for top 1 EoS it might not be the hardest server, since all you need is the grindiest/luckiest boi being in not avrora
candid sluice
Yea washi is competing for high eos scores too
leaden sky
Inter-server pvp when
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Think I deadass just saw my pow evade a ws marksman shot
She had like 105 eva with +12 rudder
But overall it’s prob better to give her beaver instead of giving it to a vanguard right
candid sluice
Rudder backline was used a ton pre stealth because of warkai
light crystal
From my rough estimate numbers with black torp your first shot will do 1.6% more...
Yeah, I also assumed the 5% would stack on the second volley, where her base Torp would be 1k from Skill proc to better scale for more damage over using Rainbow Dildo. At this point, like Kris pointed out, it's only marginally better if u +13 a black dildo I guess lol
I don't use my Aux gold plates for much, so I got nearly 300 of them. Maybe I should +13 a thicc Black dildo as well
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Rudder backline was used a ton pre stealth because of warkai <:YorkBruh:58862970...
Did it really do anything lol
But maybe i say this cuz I’ve only used pow and she has abysmal luck 
zenith tundra
evasion does a lot vs bb shells
vs cv it doesn't do much because suicide damage cannot be evaded
elder crane
Did it really do anything lol
It's the reason why ppl ran +hit basically
When they only have ~130 hit, 70 eva with amagi is like 35% evasion rate over 30 eva being like 25%, which is ~+15% more eHP
When they have ~70 eva and amagi, 130 hit over 95 hit is like 65% hitrate vs like 57% hitrate
In comparison shells only represent ~12% more dmg each
So SG radar or HPFCR on the hit stat alone already matches the avg effectiveness of a shell
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I see... how the math works out is very interesting
abstract horizon
what planes do i need for shinano and hiryuu together
candid sluice
Their plane loadouts aren’t dependent on each other
next burrow
Highest combination of eva is badge + rudder right?
Welp even with a max 166.4 eva there’s still a 70% chance of getting hit by WK with 189 hit
Why am I calculating this
Oh I haven’t even considered oath stats
next burrow
I think I can afford to put beaver on sandy instead of rudder tbh
With the +12% from helena it’s prob more than enough
So I can rudder backline bb?
candid sluice
But why
next burrow
U don’t see warspite that often anymore
I do and she often snipes pow before she can shoot... apart from the first freeload