pvp

[candid sluice]

Where does it aim

Prioritizes lower targets?

[light crystal]

Well, it's shelling it seems, like Howe's "barrage" which is just an extra volley of sorts

Meaning u can run off-center

[candid sluice]

Eh then can’t be relied upon to hit intended target

[light crystal]

And not lose coverage

[candid sluice]

The fast first load is what I’m interested in

With preload aquilla and warkai snipe + fast load vit could pick off a backline

[light crystal]

HP is exactly 9k when 120/200 🤔

Ok, well, the three new SSR's are dffo gonna be on my radar for pvp

Was not expecting it tbh

[candid sluice]

Definitely worth trying out

Will be raising aquilla and vitt for sure

[light crystal]

Abruzzi's "zombie" heal doesn't seem to be that reliable either, cuz it procs at 30% HP lef, for 3% heals 3 times every 3s, or 9% max HP total across 9s?

9s can be a long time to just die with 30% HP left in PvP, so probably not that useful. It's something I guess. If u wanna run core Pasta, u'd need Abruzzi anyway, to run along with Venetto and Aquila, cuz the others would be sub-optimal for PvP, being CA's and Littorio

[candid sluice]

Well that’s how all zombie skills work

[light crystal]

So, like, run HPFCR on Venetto side with Rudder, and then WNT center on WK

Well, u dont really need to run WNT at all actually

Ur already debuffing torp meme alot, so no need to make ur Preload Venetto Volley and Aquilla aristrike do less dmg, along with WK's snipe, if u can help it.

[candid sluice]

Would u even want wnt tho

Ur just nerfing your ownpreload dmg

[light crystal]

Yeh

So just run HPFCR's + Rudder on Venetto and WK

[candid sluice]

Why rudders

[light crystal]

🤔

I mean, why not?

Wut else r u gonna run besides HPFCR's? Shells?

[candid sluice]

Might sound wack but what if u throw on air radars

[light crystal]

🤔

I mean, might as well run AA radar at that point lol

I ondt think u need to stack Hit?

[candid sluice]

Also aquilla has pretty nuts aa stat

58 hit on vitt ehh

[light crystal]

Well, 69

Might run SG then if u want

SG + HPFCR

[candid sluice]

Extra hit always welcome yea

[light crystal]

Interesting how the new pasta botes happen to counter CV's/Torp-meme's in PvP 🤔

As if they were added specifically to counter the current meta

[zenith tundra]

when i was running ws fdg perseus i used hpfcr white shells on both fdg and ws. evasion is pointless when your winning condition is killing 1 cv early. also evasion doesn't stop suicide damage anyway

[elder crane]

Why not

Richi Vittorio Aquila

[tall nimbus]

then Abruzzi Noshi Jintsuu

[elder crane]

Also +15% evarate on a DD
Seems more PvE ofc, her evarate in PvP is "only" around 65-80% I think

Idk about Abruzzi but also idk what else you could run
Maaaaybe is ok that only -55% load time?

Oh wait something interesting

Aquila has higher than usual base hit stat I think

[crude mortar]

this meme got an successor

where is aquila icon

[radiant brook]

Daily reminder that yostar isn't the developer, it's manjuu/yongshi

[candid sluice]

And then vitt to seal torpmemes

[sour oasis]

That's a lot of new leaks

[crude mortar]

azur lane 22/4/2021 the return of warspite

[sour oasis]

🐕‍🦺

[crude mortar]

how2 stop aquilla warspite fleet from detecting your fleet

step1.replace 1 of your cv with aquilla

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[elder crane]

Dw can counter that

Run both Aquila and Percy

Try stopping that smh

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

Imma be fielding VV/AQL/WK, JNU/Duca/STTL

I think it's a balanced fleet.

[granite flame]

Hey guys, any of the new Italian ships good in PvP? Or at least fun off meta picks like leipzig/Russians/etc?

[covert swallow]

veneto and aquila both look good

[granite flame]

[light crystal]

And Duca as well, to lesser extent, but still good

[crude mortar]

WHY

are they

adding

aQuiLa

tO tHe gAmE

bALaNcE

nerf warspite by adding stealth

then buff warspite with aquila

lmao

nerf torp meme by adding noshiro

then buff torpmeme by adding naganami

and black torp

200iq

[ripe latch]

cn balance

[light crystal]

And then nerf again by adding VV/Duca

[crude mortar]

can they just

give me 6 manju

[sour oasis]

Sure. Give me 7 though

[glossy meteor]

welp just lost a battle
partially cause my sole van didn't attack teh bottom carrier at all when it had a sliver left

does anyone know why this happens like the bottom backline will have nothing left and yet my van only attacks the top one

[candid sluice]

Just the auto AI being single braincelled

[glossy meteor]

smart AI when?

[midnight heron]

and then ur backline with nothing left always gets bombarded with stray bullets and dies

[glossy meteor]

and i also hate it when a backliner is at zero hp why does this keep happening

[glossy meteor]

my backline was dead all i have was helana agaisnt the foxes but died cause of the second ones airstike which died when it fired its secondary gun at it agggggg

[midnight heron]

[glossy meteor]

cause the second one at the bottom had no hp left

and i just lost another one cause i didn't hit the pause a split second earlier

i hat pvp sometimes

[light crystal]

I had a reset just last hour, came down to Hiryuu v Viryuu kinda deal, and I wasn't gonna chance it. I dont really keep track too much of when LS procs lol

[elder crane]

the solution is to drop Hiryuu

[light crystal]

Well, sorta working on it with Makagi atm

But like, pasta/WK is probably gonna be a thing, so like, gotta star working on that. But getting Makagi done is gonna be much quicker than pasta

@elder crane Hey, should I drop AA radar on Seattle when I start using Makagi and put Muse 550 HP instead so I get the converging barrage rather than the bomb one? I think AA radar would be a small price to pay on Seattle (using Rudder/AA radar atm)

Oh nvm, just saw ur comment on Help. Already running Heels on Azuma, so don't need to do that, great 🙏

[crude mortar]

dropping all your fleet

and replacing them with spahetti torp meme fleet and warkai main

[elder crane]

Note that I'm pretty sure you need full 120/200 for VF-17/XSB3C/Wyvern loadout on Musekagi to work
if you go firefly though that should give plenty of leeway
though idk if even that would allow you to not run Nagato sadly so can't really 3CV comp with her I think

[light crystal]

I mean, I plan to run Nagato/MKGI/SHINA

[elder crane]

ye, just warning you about that

-40% things

Currently my rec would probably be
Pearl-Nagato Nano Musekagi Manjuu+speed-Juneau Shoes+Badge-Azuma MuseHP+speed-Seattle

would actually be better (?) than the comp I ran before since pearl on Nagato frees up Seattle slot for MuseHP aux

[light crystal]

Currently training her in Pasta maps. Pretty chill, she does great sustained dmg

[elder crane]

enjoy seeing the occasional 50k+ dmg MVP on Musekagi somehow

[light crystal]

Should get the Yellow skill 10'd by tomorrow, one more book after the current one finishes

[elder crane]

the only question is if +10% AVI on her is worth her using the DB barrage instead of the TB one
probably I'd think but could end up overall not being worth

[light crystal]

I mean, I got no choice either way

Cuz Im running Azuma who has Heels lol

So like, I'm locked in with TB barrage no matter wut

[elder crane]

if you run the MuseHP aux then it toggles back to DB barrage

[light crystal]

Oh right

i can run 550 HP on Seattle

Eh

Kinda would prefer the TB barrage tbh, cuz converging and all

But I can always test around with wut I like better

[elder crane]

that and much higher dmg and I'd assume higher crash too
although given it launches before Nano iirc idk if it'll survive at all lol

actually it launches after nano pretty sure nvm

hard to notice in all the mess

I guess that's a point against the DB too

maybe plane will die before dropping bombs

is hard to shoot down TB that early though

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

2304 3168 3744 TB base damage, aimed
2006.4 2199.6 2643.6 DB bomb dmg with 80% Avi scaling as usual, also I assume it uses comets so 1x1k lb and 2x100lb bombs per plane which is

[light crystal]

Well, it's not terrible, but the aimed torps would focus the damage more rather than spread it

[elder crane]

and even vs vanguard probably aimed TB no worse hitrate than fricken 100 lb bombs lol

still, +10% avi is tempting

[light crystal]

U can always swap back and forth. If ur running Seattle/Azuma, just swap out AA radar or w/e else uw ere using for 550HP Muse lol

[elder crane]

would rather shoes seattle smh

[light crystal]

Stacking EVA on Azuma is best imo

So Rudder/Heels it is for me

[elder crane]

no I mean over 550HP muse, if I want even number of muses/AA radar on Azuma

[light crystal]

🤔

This is my current setup. Even by default, so TB barrage. If I swap out AA radar on Seattle for Muse Dress, back to Odd, so DB barrage.

[elder crane]

how tf doesn your Seattle not get shit on by Azuma/Nagato from low speed

I tried doing like anything other than shoes + 2 engine and she's like half HP 18 s in

[light crystal]

She doesn't 🤔

Maybe u had particularly bad RNG for a couple of games and it made u think it's not tankey enough?

[elder crane]

every time man in like 10+ matches

happens with other ships in third slot too whenever I drop below that speed threshold
and for a lot of enemy teams below that speed threshold I assume

Azuma exception, she "only" takes like 1/4 of her HP instead

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

is not really that much benefit for +eva on her ye

would rather be able to dodge Azuma/Nagato while moving

[light crystal]

Personally, as I haven't had survivability issues with her, I'll keep it as-is.

[crude mortar]

what that server

how is 0 speed fleet not getting punished

lmao

[somber axle]

I'm going to guess Amagi, probably anything works there.

[candid sluice]

What fleet

[candid sluice]

You’re not wrong

[north vine]

amagi has an fs5 scuttle

[ripe latch]

[waxen reef]

Should I use the same fleet setup for attacking/defending? I generally go Akaga/Akagi for attacking, thinking of putting Shinano/Hiryuu in my defense fleet

Need to swap Ayanami out for Yukikaze... b-but my shipfu

I think at this point I just need to get BiS gear

[elder crane]

no point

wyverns on AKaga almost certainly stronger than none on Nanoyuu

and other limited stuff

[candid sluice]

But akaga defense tho

If you’re willing to swap gears between the two fleets then hiryuu is much better on def

But that’s a huge pain to do

[waxen reef]

I think I might have enough duplicate gear sets.

I've been trying to get at least 4 for OpSci

[light crystal]

🤔

Akagi Muse can be used solo just fine tho

[candid sluice]

Akaga defense is already yorkbruh inducing

Nah those are deliberately trying to meme akaga is an actual attempt at defense

Which does not work

[covert swallow]

I actually ran into an akagi/kaga comp the other day that I had to swap my team for

I'm not really sure how I was dying to it, every other akagi/kaga comp I've fought barely does anything

[elder crane]

one word:

Wyverns

nuff said

[covert swallow]

yea I was guessing he maybe had wyvern on both of them, idk what else it could have been

[elder crane]

that and +13 most likely

We talking defense here smh

and on def AKaga will only win vs meta shit by +13/wyvern advantage or torpmemez

[candid sluice]

I went against full oath akaga with wyverns the other day their performance was underwhelming to say the least

[elder crane]

ye, it's fairly marginal even on offense with double wyvern and a good number of +13

also testing it vs actually good torpmemez

yeah no

standard better

[covert swallow]

this was his comp (I know he's someone who talks in here sometimes too)
I know my vanguard isn't the best, but this is the first akagi comp that actually killed my vanguard every time until I swapped some stuff around.

[candid sluice]

They only managed to do this much

And that’s with full oath and nagato boost + my fm boosting their dmg too

I then proceeded to wipe their backline with my airstrikes

[elder crane]

okay it shouldn't be that low

they probably using a pepega loadout

[candid sluice]

One of them had wyvern for sure

Not +13 probs

[covert swallow]

I ended up just swapping to perseus/warkai to kill him

maybe there was a chance I just got unlucky all 3 fights in a row? guess I'll test again if I can find him in pvp

[light crystal]

He's only lv 96. Pretty sure it was average kit, and the one Wyvern at best.

So bad to gauge efficacy off of that.

[candid sluice]

Still, extremely disappointing

[light crystal]

I was buying plane BP's form Guild shop until recently, I think imma stick to buying Gun plates so I can +13 a 457 for WK 🤔

[candid sluice]

Sad that even nagato and fm can’t help their negative damage

[light crystal]

Nagato cannot equip FM 🤔

[candid sluice]

FM on my hiryuu

[light crystal]

Oh

[elder crane]

Go for Nano AKaga if you want FM with AKaga

[light crystal]

Well, they would still do 20% less damage relative to your boosted one. And like I said, it was likely subpar-average kit and the one Wyvern

[elder crane]

win by vanguard

[candid sluice]

Which is why akaga is pure garbage on defense

[covert swallow]

@candid sluice if you find dronshi in pvp, let me know if he does anything to you

[candid sluice]

I don’t even think 2 wyvern vs my 2 wyverns will be enough

[covert swallow]

I'm really curious why I even needed to retry against him, but it might just be my vanguard

[candid sluice]

Probably helena rng

[light crystal]

U got 2 Wyverns? 🤔

[elder crane]

that team really shouldn't be all too tough ye

[candid sluice]

Ask again in 2 months

[light crystal]

I thought u said u barely do ur Abysses lol

[elder crane]

Hopefully

wyvern #3 next month

[candid sluice]

Yea I slacked on opsi this month

Got rly busy irl

[covert swallow]

#3?

[candid sluice]

I’ll do my abyssals probably tonight

[covert swallow]

I'm only getting my 2nd next month

shop pity wyverns

[elder crane]

I'm 3/9 rn on third, unluckily no UR plane prints dropped at all this month

got like 3 gun 1 torp 1 AA instead

or actually

[light crystal]

Well either way, I more than likely will have AQL/VV/DUCA ready long before I get a third Wyvern

[elder crane]

I think it's 2 AA now

[candid sluice]

How u getting lucky with plane prints

I’m 7 6 6 mg torp aa

[elder crane]

I'm 8 3 6 I think

[light crystal]

So I will be murdering CV's instead with WK rather than care about Wyverns. At least that's the plan, gonna wait to see how it pans out

[candid sluice]

4 pity prints from ports

[light crystal]

U get 3 Pity ones

[elder crane]

oof you didn't buy 3/month?

[light crystal]

A month

[candid sluice]

Don’t even have a 457 so can’t hop on the Aquila hypetrain

Yeah I did buy em all

Only got 1 plane print since opsi started

[elder crane]

Dw, Richi/VV/Aquila needs no 457

[covert swallow]

I'm gonna use aquila/veneto/warkai without 457

[candid sluice]

Don’t have richy either

[elder crane]

that just sounds like pain

[candid sluice]

Best I can do is warkai with +13 champgun and hpfcr

[elder crane]

Warkai needs 457 to be particularly useful

[light crystal]

Champgun should be OK, I guess?

[candid sluice]

And fdg still far from dev30

[elder crane]

MGM+1 shots will not hit before CV launch

so RIP

[light crystal]

I guess that could be an issue

[candid sluice]

I will definitely try my warkai with Aquila but I don’t have high expectations

If I even pull Aquila

[light crystal]

HPFCR Champgun on WK 120/200 should be just barely breaking under 20s or so, maybe 19s

But that's cutting pretty close for most CV's

[elder crane]

Okay you could try then

[candid sluice]

Yeah she’s unoathed as well

[elder crane]

VV/Aquila/Percy

[light crystal]

Ewww

[candid sluice]

Why percy

[elder crane]

Gotta get that alpha strike in

[light crystal]

Might as well run FDG* over Percy at that point lol

[candid sluice]

Aquila is the replacement for perseus

[elder crane]

tf is DF

also Aquila idk if can spot

8 planes is sketchy

esp if opponent also Aquila

[light crystal]

If they'r Wyvern it should be fine

[elder crane]

Percy with 12 planes apparently already can have issues vs super high AA

[light crystal]

A full airstrike spots as-is anyway

[elder crane]

Aquila is only 8 + 75% for 4 low-HP barrage planes

[light crystal]

Define super high AA

Like very few people would bank full AA cuz then they open themselves out to being squish for other shit

[elder crane]

Apparently Sandy-Seattle iirc it was someone was running Percy into and it occasionally failed to spot

lol

since when were ppl reasonable on defense smh

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

you have ppl still running rudder+Amagi smh

and back in BB meta ppl still running Sandy/Eldridge

if only people were entirely just normal meta on defense sometimes

[light crystal]

Well either way, playing around the <5% is probably not the best of ideas. Assume u still dont manage to fully spot all CV's on enemy team, should at least spot the one, worst comes to worst, and RNG should work on ur favor at that point

[ripe latch]

shet , helena pearl manju

[elder crane]

I'm saying maybe you don't even spot the one

for example

[light crystal]

Well, I'm highly devious on that

[elder crane]

4 wyvern + 3 fighter + Hiryuu barrage can fail to spot vs even moderately high AA teams

and Aquila is only 8 planes + 75% for 4 barrage planes

[candid sluice]

How often do u see sandy Seattle vanguards tho

[crude mortar]

nah

[elder crane]

I guess she has 4 wyvern 2 fighter to follow up at 10 s, but idk
esp if opponent runs Aquila too, then you even get extra AA dmg over the 10s exchange

[crude mortar]

the reason hiryu and shinano failed cuz it launch at 10

and enemy cv can intercept

combined with aa vg it can fail to spot

but preload spotting is harder to avoid

[elder crane]

that's with just light AA

[candid sluice]

Only thing opposing preload is vanguard aa tho

[elder crane]

with more AA is even more effective ofc
and if opponent Aquilas too, then you do have planes shooting as well

[light crystal]

One, the only reason they would be running Aquila is cuz they're also using WK themselves

[elder crane]

vanguard AA does most of the AA work normally anyways

[light crystal]

SO i dont get y ur taking that into equation

[elder crane]

Aquila Percy here we go

but I'm also going to try just splashing in Aquila

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

maybe not so bad

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

It's the era of WK once again, like good ol days

🙏

[elder crane]

Imma be so much I told yo so if Aquila doesn't properly spot enough to be an issue

[candid sluice]

One way to find out

+13 all ur planes to increase hp

[light crystal]

It should work

That doesn't increase plane HP im pretty sure

[elder crane]

it does

[candid sluice]

When the day comes gold plates are abundant we will try Aquila with +13 planes

It does increase hp

[light crystal]

🤔

[candid sluice]

Just doesn’t say in the upgrade screen

[elder crane]

anyways on splashing Aquila

part of that will be how she is vs torpmemes

if she can chunk them pretty hard could be pretty worth

[candid sluice]

Vitt has torp dmg reduction skill right

Or was it the cl

[elder crane]

both

[covert swallow]

both

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

you can stack up to -78% torp dmg now

[candid sluice]

Vitt Aquila warkai perhaps?

[elder crane]

which is actually enough to stop HMS torpmemez probably

Just run Richi in that case

[candid sluice]

Without wnt?

[elder crane]

you don't have sniping power anymore with that setup

[candid sluice]

Have u guys tried vitt barrage yet

[elder crane]

is random aim

like Howe

[candid sluice]

Ah damn

[covert swallow]

not properly because it's not at skill level 10 yet

[elder crane]

or maybe targeted idk, not fixed though

[candid sluice]

Can it touch backline tho

[covert swallow]

https://streamable.com/oyc4l6

[candid sluice]

Or always at vang

[covert swallow]

yea here's barrage

[elder crane]

that will depend on what targeting algor used

but

unless it uses closest or farthest target

[candid sluice]

If she can actually shoot back then it has sniping potential

[elder crane]

will be RNG

ehhh

[candid sluice]

But if it’s howe like then I doubt

[elder crane]

you want to rely on 1/6 to shoot correct target?

or worse

[candid sluice]

Will require testing to be certain

[elder crane]

we know it's aimed so the only chance it has to be useful for sniping is if it's farthest aim

which is marked on both the skills that use that aiming

and not on her

[ripe latch]

howe b on other ship

[candid sluice]

Yep

[elder crane]

imo just HPFCR her on side and run Richi flag
nuke vanguard

oh shit

I forgot to do PvP

whatever

[light crystal]

I think VV/AQL would be better

[candid sluice]

How many did u burn

[light crystal]

I did mine while having this convo and doing D3

[elder crane]

4 I think?

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

can still AotN dw

just need to rush tomorrow

[candid sluice]

Isn’t this wipe aotn rush time

[elder crane]

for low score rn is bad

[candid sluice]

Ah

[elder crane]

since this is the first reset many ppl can hit AotN

tomorrow is best for low score

hmm

if I can AotN now maybe I'll just do that

oh hey it's a JdA

[candid sluice]

Should’ve started rushing 5 mins ago

[elder crane]

wait what

wtf

why did his vanguard die

ok it worked this time

I am pretty confused

not sure why his vanguard died the first time vs Nakaga

but ye looks like JdA should work as intended vs AKaga
too bad rest of team is shit so I can't properly test

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

aotn > healthy sleep

[elder crane]

ok ye nvm I'll fall short now unless literally no one climbs

[candid sluice]

Doubt that will happen

[elder crane]

ye I think I have a theory on what happened

Azuma was firing right around 10 s in

and popped JdA invul early enough that AKaga strike wave wasn't shielded

though that means that JdA maybe not reliable counter to AKaga
though maybe it's just cause his team is shit and too slow and ate Azuma shots in the first place

[candid sluice]

What’s the rest of the vang

[light crystal]

@elder crane This counters current meta btw

Had to reset twice.

[elder crane]

That's called

Don't let Nano tank 457 shots

Smh

[light crystal]

Good thing I started leveling up Makagi 🤔

Well, I lost the first two times where Shinano was up, swapped down and RNG worked itself out I guess

[distant token]

i think i retired mine

[elder crane]

Here's suffering btw

https://youtu.be/vYO4XV5O1_s

[light crystal]

This balanced DMG lol

[elder crane]

Does showcase Nakaga strength pretty well here tho given half the time Hiryuu pops on first strike

Hmm

Actually I wonder if that's actually a downside

Maybe I should run WNT

[light crystal]

She's coming along at least

Gonna swap out Hiryuu for Makagi and run her with Shinano

[elder crane]

Ye that setup works pretty well

Very consistent at maintaining stealth

And Musekagi hit surprisingly hard

[light crystal]

I mean, she has a free Ryusei airstrike on top of her own lol

And launches fast

And pretty high AVI if u boost it enough

@elder crane I dont have a second Wyvern tho. Wut TB should I should in the meantime for Makagi?

[elder crane]

You want the AA out of all slots so wyvern precursor is good

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

huh

huuuuh

Musekagi is a good testbed for my concerns about destealth, eh?

if Musekagi strike + 6 intercept alone can destealth, then Aquila shouldn't have issues

Technically some differences there but I doubt it matters too much

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

It deastealth me every time, yes

And I'm running two 13+ Sex Bofoes + Yamato Accel on Seattle, all ships 120/200

[crude mortar]

why yamato accel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[light crystal]

y not

[ripe latch]

lel

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[sour oasis]

German bombers... In PvP??

[proper sorrel]

it deploys faster than ryuusei

[candid sluice]

It has better spread

[north vine]

wyvern or nah

[midnight heron]

im curious how wud u guys deal with this comp

idk how to even build a fleet to make it not a coinflip as to whether u have to reset or not

[covert swallow]

maybe warkai snipe one of the 3 cvs

idk how well that'd work

[midnight heron]

so only a prelaunch comp then

aka pers or aquila

[covert swallow]

well I'm a pvp noob, I was just giving an idea that might beat it

[midnight heron]

seems legit tho cuz using the standard ijn meta cant remove the coinflip status

not unless u use torpmemes

[crude mortar]

how is haloist playing for 2 years or some shit and still having problem pvbp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

litterly i've seen this guy since my first day playingthis game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[royal oyster]

standard meta should beat that even if it double procs helena+enty

I'm pretty sure I fought that specific defense recently

[midnight heron]

idk

it always wipes my vg and nagato if they double proc

jun will live with manjuu but she'll be healing helpless ships

if they get a 2nd enty proc its pretty much lost

[elder crane]

You just need to survive the launch fairly consistently
Without Juneau or Hiryuu esp trading out vanguard should be fine if you run Hiryuu

That and make sure you destealth them

Nakaga maybe the most consistent vs them actually, on account of wiping that vanguard out and then just killing them with your vanguard

[elder crane]

WNT/Pearl on Nagato, AA radar+badge Azuma mid+leip engine/shoes trailing is what I usually run these days

[ripe latch]

ws kai riche amagi

have some problem

[light crystal]

They got better Pattern. Basically, 2 of the torps are closer and one on the back

German:

-->

-->
-->

IJN:

-->
-->
-->

[midnight heron]

turns out this is the more impt factor lel cuz without proper destealth, any of his 2 procs will still have a chance to cause reset

[midnight heron]

still gotta pray richi/amagi lands vg shots

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

how can i feed saber point

this season

i feed famine point famine died instantly

i feed forbs point forbs also died instantly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

@trail temple

[light crystal]

@elder crane Have u seen the comp I had trouble against yesterday in Avrora? The Nakadashi shitter

[trail temple]

Yes?

[elder crane]

I have no clue, I dropped 4 matches by accident so I had to rush today
not before the rush though, no particularly good teams spotted

also

so I'm testing Musekagi shit right, so I have to run 2 BB

hence

[radiant brook]

Close one, smack dab at 10th after 4 losses

[elder crane]

[distant token]

erika can u make your fleet easier

your fleet is too strong

[trail temple]

[elder crane]

anyways I'm not too sure what this says about current meta

[candid sluice]

Imagine losing to uss

[elder crane]

Saber boi on def is running standard comp with Helena

[candid sluice]

It says that there are a lot of planes

[elder crane]

not many oaths though

[light crystal]

I think it's best if u swap FDG for WK

[elder crane]

is WK even good here though

[candid sluice]

Does akagi reveal in time

[distant token]

hey i didn't lose

[elder crane]

all WK does is smack Nagato

ye doesn't reveal in time

anyways as you can clearly see here

[light crystal]

Yes, I know, but it worked against me twice lmao

[elder crane]

Nagato is only dmg sponge

[light crystal]

My Backline was murdered

[elder crane]

if so then how do you lose smh

just wipe his VG in return

[light crystal]

I also was skeptical of his fleet at first, was very surprised it was not only strong, had to reset twice.

[elder crane]

and smash his face in

[radiant brook]

At least killing nagato early means you will only eat a B7S max

[elder crane]

hence

see Azuma dmg here

36k out of Azuma

[radiant brook]

Erika still using full USS?

[elder crane]

she just bullies them poor CVs

[light crystal]

My Shinano was murdered before she launched. So yeah, no way to just murder his VG back lol

[candid sluice]

Did u win the vg fight blue

[elder crane]

did you let Nano stay opposite of FdG

[light crystal]

Yes...

[elder crane]

cause that + 457 MGM+1 RNG is the only way

well

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

there we go

[candid sluice]

Burn

[elder crane]

Ye if FdG instant burns that's like ~1/3 of her HP

then a few unlucky 457 shots and RIP

[light crystal]

Shinano would get murdered by having WK and FDG shoot at her cuz she was destealth due to Makagi lol

[elder crane]

WK doesn't shoot at her in particular though

she shoot at Nagato smh

[light crystal]

The third time I won moved Hiryuu to top, worked better

[candid sluice]

Makagi doesn’t reveal in time for wk snipe

[elder crane]

which kinda defeats the point of wk imo

[candid sluice]

Why u have nagato there tho

Is she worth using to buff two ships

[light crystal]

Her barrage snipe shoots Nagato, but once Makagi destealth, she shoots Shinano, cuz as middle, would target up position once available

[elder crane]

that's well after Nano launches

WK doesn't adjust aim until 25 s in

[light crystal]

And WK shooting Shinano even without barrage snipe can do 30-50% HP lol

[elder crane]

that's MGM+1 RNG

also

you are running WNT right, just checking?

[light crystal]

But I lost twice. Like dude, I'm not making this stuff out. I'm not running WNT

[elder crane]

WK first volley is always locked to Nagato with that setup

well

there's your fricken issue

run WNT smh

[light crystal]

No reason to do it for 90% of the time tho

[elder crane]

Heck I'll be testing out NAkaga with fricken WNT soon

cause I'm pretty sure that works out better

rn AKaga does too much dmg and pops Hiryuu early too often

[light crystal]

Im using torp meme, and WNT would weaken it. So I just use Beaver/HPFCR

And I dnt do that swapping shit

So hense, dont run it at all

[elder crane]

....

then it's just torpmemes losing for you no?

[light crystal]

Huh?

[elder crane]

cause normal vanguard can just walk up to that main fleet and finish it off lol

you're probably almost/are losing vanguard to Musekagi, eh?

[light crystal]

Ok: I run torp meme defense, and I want it to be as hard as possible, hense I dont run WNT on on defense. I dont run torp meme attack, and i dont wanna swap WNT just to use it on attack cuz I find that dumb, hense, WNT is not being used in ehtier Attack or Defense

[elder crane]

on def torpmemes is good vs BB setup cause it can almost consistently nuke shit
on offense

1. almost doesn't cut it
2. you can't even hit main like 1/3 of the time...

fair enough on that

although
idk if making your life harder on attack is worth, oh well

if no WNT, hmm

[light crystal]

Defense.

[elder crane]

ye I think if you run that defense setup

[light crystal]

Attack

[elder crane]

your offense just has to be slightly scuffed

no way around it

although still surprised your vanguard wasn't able to close things out

wasn't you who ran minimal speed on vanguard right?

[light crystal]

I could just swap in WNT for like the 20 mins I do the Attack per given session, but I never swap any gear for Exercise, as I find that a sign of weakness. Plus it's gonna waste time.

Well, he put Manjuu on Lead Helena

[elder crane]

Jun/Azuma/Seattle I find tends to have to take three +speed aux on top of beaver badge I find

[light crystal]

So like, she gets her proc off, then facetanks dmg, then Juenau furtehr stalls after that

[elder crane]

to stop getting smacked around by Azuma/BB shells

although
I guess Musekagi can set up 818 slow with right timing
sounds iffy on spotting, but maybe good for defense?

anyways so far no issues spotting anyone yet with Musekagi
Looking good for Aquila

[light crystal]

And even Azuma makes it to Backline, doesnt do much good if ur own backline is ded. Its not she can 1v2/3 half HP+ BB's by herself lmao

[elder crane]

I'm still surprised that vanguard + hiryuu can't close it out for you

since I assume Hiryuu FC's into no enemy vanguard

[light crystal]

🤷‍♂️

Well, I only have one Wyvern

[covert swallow]

aquila also has a 75% chance to launch an extra barrage, so that's a few extra planes too.

[light crystal]

Maybe if I ran two Wyvern, one on Hiryuu and one on Shinano, it could help turn tide for me

[elder crane]

1. 75% is, uhhh
2. barrage planes usually have shit HP
3. Musekagi also has interception planes present

ah, that's probably why

without wyvern you need ryuus to nuke down healthy BBs in that spot ye
so RIP cause CV meta isn't so good for that

[light crystal]

Well AQL has 2/2/4, 130% + Preload + 10% faster Airstrike + 10% DMG buff.

So like the 75% plane barrage is not main selling point

Just cherry on top

[elder crane]

we're talking about spotting

so none of that directly matters

the question is, "can you count on Aquila to consistently destealth, as Percy replacement for that role"

• actually doing more things as you mention

[light crystal]

It should be fine. I think devs released the 3 new SSR to mess up with the current meta, cuz they can counter CV's by bringing back WK, and can also nerf torp DMG taken

I trust the devs knew wut they're doing

[elder crane]

I was skeptical since 8 planes + no intercept + 75% RNG for 4 plane barrage seems maybe sketchy vs high-AA setups

[elder crane]

that's the funniest thing I heard all day

although I have to say this event seems good on ships released

[light crystal]

Well, either way, like I said, I think they would've known about this shit when they made the ships be the way they are

Maybe some CN players were complaining about CV/torp meta or something, I dunno

Some ppl come in here already complaining about that stuff as-is

[covert swallow]

maybe they're just getting us ready for w14 torp hell (this is just a joke)

[light crystal]

🤔

The general consensus among some is that W14 would involve Submarine hell or something

||Integrate Subs into PvP pl0x. Being legit serious, wanna try hard subs against other peeps||

[sour oasis]

Subs vs Subs when

[light crystal]

I find it odd that subs cant torp other subs

Underwater sub warfare could be fun too

Instead it's all surface-based

[radiant brook]

Yeah submarines used to fight each other in the war

And not targeting surface ships unless no enemy subs are present

[light crystal]

Well, CV Stealth is a new mechanic as-is. Maybe underwater subs v subs is also in the pipeline

[radiant brook]

Then we could bring a CA in sub heavy maps

Oh wait we are veering into pve territory

[elder crane]

more like subs mostly attack things that can't fight back
any concerted attempts at sub vs warship combat tends to not work
while you see a few big-name targets, those either are the rng result of efforts not really worth or are opportunistic targets

vs IJN for example
sinking taihou etc. is more the byproduct of sinking over 90% of Japan's merchant marine in ww2

[radiant brook]

[ripe latch]

ryuuhou meta

[elder crane]

and us was still able to cripple Japan's shipping with subs despite defective torpedoes
mostly goes to show just how many subs were fielded lol (and how much the IJN lacked DDs/ASW equipment/training)

I would have to agree though that if subs in PvP, sub vs sub almost certainly has to be a possibility

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/831060561538187314/unknown.png

[light crystal]

||I wanna use subs in peeveepee, Manjuu plz make it happen, kthx||

[crude mortar]

stop it

[delicate owl]

[midnight heron]

why my pee||vee||pee hard

[elder crane]

stop being shit smh

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774543810549907476/835694203287240714/52267632.png

eat it

anyone who get bonus from me this season either dying this reset or dying next reset

[radiant brook]

feed me like how you feed your murican girls

[covert swallow]

[candid sluice]

These memes are great

[trail temple]

[frigid grove]

Between Avrora and Lexington which server is harder to reach aotn?
(Just asking)

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[candid sluice]

Relaxington?

[north vine]

Amagi is harder

[covert swallow]

Amagi hardest to sandbag because everyone forgets their pvps

[candid sluice]

Hard to go over 2585 eos sure

[proper sorrel]

everyone forgetting sandy

[radiant brook]

Lexington is definitely the easiest

[crude mortar]

how do you know if you didn't play that server

[midnight heron]

but lexington has higher scores on average than sandy

[crude mortar]

getting 2500 aotn merit is hard?

[radiant brook]

The memes exist for a reason

[crude mortar]

you dont even need to sandbag to get aotn on avrora

just rush last 7min every reset

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-nakiri-ayame-oni-wiggle-dance-gif-17169473

[sour oasis]

Just means they're better at collusion

[trail temple]

@elder crane Was this your setup for Akagi Muse? Or did you use the Suisei?

[light crystal]

I think he was using Hornet

[ripe latch]

everywhere nagato/hiryu/shinano

[elder crane]

Naw you need VF-17 like that to launch fast enough to intercept
And 120/200 and Nagato
Otherwise, run Firefly instead @Excield#9949

[trail temple]

Awesome, wasn't sure if you needed suisei to intercept or if helldiver was sufficient

[coral wren]

How do the special PvP rules affect Munition Ships? i.e. Kashino. Not that you would run her in pvp, but the wiki is missing information on it and I'd like to add it for completeness

[light crystal]

Im not sure he answered ur question tbh lol

[elder crane]

BBV/AR/CB/Munition ship/etc don't even have mods aside from the -20% multiplicative dmg debuff that defense gets

Devs too lazy to update PvP to include them

[light crystal]

Tbh, u shouldn't even need to use up one of the six regular slots to run an Ammunition ship, should have its own slot like Cats/Submarines lol

[ripe latch]

azur meta not on top10

[elder crane]

Is not last reset yet smh
Even then technically best to rush last second

[ripe latch]

[unreal storm]

What server is ALM in?

[ripe latch]

see on washi

[unreal storm]

What?

[coral wren]

thanks. also, "-20% multplicative damage debuff" in this case meaning attackers get injureRatio = 0.8, not defenders getting damageRatioBullet = -0.20, correct?

[candid sluice]

He hasn’t officially started yet

[ripe latch]

[sour oasis]

Getting to AotN on any server not Avrora is so weird. By which I mean Avrora has so much more struggling.
This is not news, but it's just always so amazing to see first hand.

[elder crane]

ye, multiply all non-(surface-AA) non-DoT damage by 0.8

[coral wren]

so yes

[elder crane]

less relevant now, but back in BB meta, notably fires did same dmg ticks on offense vs defense

[coral wren]

have the theorycrafters figured out how Aquila Warkai might work? like is it worth it to run that to blow up shinano quickly?

main difference between perseus warkai is that aquila strikes are much stronger and that she has 4x130% wyverns

could make a difference

[elder crane]

Percy Warkai FdG is already used so seems like an easy slot-in

based on my testing 8 planes should be enough to consistently spot

[coral wren]

ye, that's another question, in Aquila Warkai, who would the 3rd backline be, just fdg? cause you could also run shinano it seems

[elder crane]

do note that crash dmg doesn't scale with eff

FdG barrage is almost as important as warkai is

[coral wren]

it doesn't but it scales with plane count

[elder crane]

so yes you pretty much need FdG for it to work

[elder crane]

percy preload is x2 though

[coral wren]

ah, that's unfortunate, don't have her developed

[elder crane]

so ye

well

beyond FdG

you need 2x457 for it to work well no matter who lol

so yeah

[coral wren]

percy preload is x2 sure but she only has two preloads and then it's 40s mark or dead probably dead
aquila will get to strike again

why 2x457? what's wrong with 406mle?

[elder crane]

the comp wins by sniping a CV before it launches basically, and then enemy dmg goes down the drain

and by "a CV" I mean Nano

[coral wren]

if you're not running another 457 FdG, what about something like 406mle with VV? Think it could work?

[elder crane]

in that case -warkai +richi or something then just gun for vanguard

Notably VV doesn't need flag so Richi still proc buffs

[coral wren]

why not warkai?

[elder crane]

warkai's sole point is to snipe opposite main

[coral wren]

ye

[elder crane]

if you can't snipe corner-opposite main then what's the point

VV is entirely random targeting

[coral wren]

is it random? I thought her barrage used target priority

[elder crane]

in PvP that means random

[coral wren]

and why does 457 FdG fix that issue

[elder crane]

FdG barrage is not random aim

[coral wren]

but then why do you need 457

you made it seem like you needed a 2nd 457 for it to work, but if you're relying on fdg barrage and not main gun then why

[elder crane]

helps with consistency, since sometimes barrages + warkai is not enough dmg
also 457 is just really good on her period

[coral wren]

ye but is it like, enough better than 406mle on fdg that it's make it or break it

[elder crane]

the team is fairly marginal to begin with
also 406 mle is absolute dogshit vs light armor though idk how much that matters

[radiant brook]

Maybe the 406 3rd salvo comes out just slow enough that shinano can launch a strike

[coral wren]

I mean I'm not going to be relying on my 457 to kill light anyway

[elder crane]

I think it's mainly just the team is really marginal
FdG barrage has like 10% ish to not set a fire
warkai has like 25% ish to miss a barrage shot
and then you need MGM+1 shots to chip in

and with 5 untargeted MGM+1 shots is still 40% for none to sail at the target

[coral wren]

I mean low weird failure probability doesn't bug me since you can reset

[elder crane]

ehh if it's just that
I ran fricken Nagato FdG Musekagi yesterday lol
and that can pull out wins a usable % of the time when I rushed

[coral wren]

Is there merit in running an HMS BB instead since warkai commands shots at them
e.g. howe

[elder crane]

I tried that and it's just worse

[coral wren]

worse than fdg sure but like

worse than VV? idk

I'm planning on testing this out

[elder crane]

probably not worse than warkai-VV with AP

though I'd still rec you try to kill vanguard if you go aquila-VV

[coral wren]

well you'd probably run duca in that comp

which helps

I don't have FdG close to dev30 and I don't have richy at all
so I'm interested in trying out the Aquila Warkai comp without either of those two
if either of those are critical then it probably won't work
worth trying at least

[elder crane]

the main issue I had is Howe-warkai is even more marginal of a snipe
I ran into some bitch stuck in 2k20 with rudder on Nano and basically could not snipe her at all cause I did't have mle at +13 (and don't have a second 457)

[covert swallow]

there's not really good AA fleets on amagi I can test this on, also my aquila is level 102

[elder crane]

Running with Musekagi yesterday, even ran into a sandy comp and had no issues spotting

that is like the minimum nontorpmemes AA though these days

anyways the other potentially problematic issue is with torpmemes comps @coral wren
properly set-up HMS torpcomp these days is overall the most problematic defense for almost all teams

luckily those are ridiculously rare

I think I've seen like 2-3 good ones and like maybe a few more passable ones overall on Avrora

[coral wren]

my warkai is oathed so with 457 and boomer radar she launches before rudder proc
howe in this case is just for her shelling not for her snipe
wonder if QE would be better unironically

[elder crane]

oh no it's not the rudder proc

is that rudder+amagi made enough shells to miss that it was basically impossible

[coral wren]

QE buffs accuracy, maybe that will help?

[elder crane]

she doesn't tho, iirc

[coral wren]

double checks
nope she doesn't

[elder crane]

iirc you can't even reach 80% hitrate period on warkai vs that shit

[coral wren]

ye but if they're running amagi and nano it means they're not running hiryuu so who cares

[elder crane]

Nano can still smash your face in is the issue

[covert swallow]

can't wait till aquila 120

[coral wren]

and ye torp comps are the worst
your defense fleet was a major pain in the ass when I fought it
worst case scenario is none of this theorycrafting works and I continue to use what I've been using this whole time

which is Nagato Shinano Hiryuu + Juneau Azuma Yukikaze

cause well

It Works (TM)

[elder crane]

Honestly facing some of the Helena comps
idk if that's worse or not
wr vs them is obviously higher esp for nonmeta comps, but unlike torps where half the time you know you're done for/like 5% wr left in the first 10 s, you don't know anything until 20+ s in

[candid sluice]

At what time does 457 + hpfcr shoot?

[elder crane]

16 s ish

[glossy meteor]

hey guys can someone explain this to me so in pvp from like 1400-700 ranking you get like main: 14k and van 14k
but then once you get past that you just get a bunch of people with main and vans from 1k to 7k?

[candid sluice]

Meme defenses

[light crystal]

I will use VV

VV/AQL/WK

[coral wren]

sure, but 'I will use VV' and 'VV is the best choice here' isn't the same statement

[light crystal]

VV is the best choice

U happi now? 🤷‍♂️

But FDG will be a good third I suppose, ppl already doing WK/FDG/Perseus. Back in the day, the meta was Nagato/WK/Hiryuu lol

Like FDG hits hard, but her barrage is sorta weak. She will also have low synergy with AQL

Might as well shoehorn in Amagi at that point lel

Also, VV will have higher burst dmg cuz 80% faster shelling (If also running Duca at least), could get it near preload with HPFCR. VV will buff Duca and AQL as well, and provide torp meme counter. Oh, don't forget about the barrage shelling, making her pseudo MGM+2.

So like, run FDG if u want lul

[ripe latch]

finally , worth opponent

🚮

[sour oasis]

Pretty much what York said. The biggest bottleneck for absolute beginners is the 1k-3k threshold (depending on server). For whatever reason, that cluster believes in stonewalling hard. After that you hit the top 500 who just don't care or want to show off in other ways.

Personally I like more variance in PvP because the list of predictable players is always huge and the most common result is they play around when new tickets come in (whereas I usually can't play around that time)

[glossy meteor]

Ah that makes sense thanks

[royal oyster]

when you get to the upper ranks, there's an assumption that everyone there can more or less beat every defense so people tend to not bother

[sour oasis]

@glossy meteor what server are you on again? As long as it's not Avrora, the easiest way to move past that cluster is with six level 120 ships.

[candid sluice]

Yeah it varies from server to server

On mines top100 is mostly 13k+ with occasional memes

[ripe latch]

[sour oasis]

[elder crane]

it's really annoying too that ppl don't put up real defense teams smh

can't even test my shit

[sour oasis]

Collude

[ripe latch]

on washi still 6-7/10 top 10 fleets - nagato shinano hiryuu

[elder crane]

like every season you get like 3-4 chances to actually properly test out a team

and this is in Avrora where you supposedly have the most top meta defenses

[sour oasis]

Well it also doesn't help it's usually a cookie cutter try hard flex

[elder crane]

honestly I'm fine with that if it's a cookie cutter good team with proper equips and all

[glossy meteor]

Sandy

[ripe latch]

open avrora
meta

[sour oasis]

Every now and then there's a weird RNG flex Eldridge ||seriously though it's French defense||

[ripe latch]

[glossy meteor]

What is that a good backline with bulin van??

[elder crane]

no

well

is not the worst

[sour oasis]

Oddly kind of tough there. And I think it's younger than Lexington and Washington?

[elder crane]

worst would be a 2-3 CV team since that just has no way to defend itself after vanguard gets instantly deleted

Sandy is server #2 lol, pretty sure

[glossy meteor]

Meta is weird

[elder crane]

Avrora Sandy Wash Lex I believe?

Iirc Wash opened with FW initial run

[sour oasis]

I thought Lexington was pretty old.

[elder crane]

and Lex was after that

[glossy meteor]

I mean I just hope for a day when meta is basically not entirely jp ships with juneau in the van

[elder crane]

if the wiki would actually load I'd check the old patch notes for this smh

wait

did the wiki actually just die

or is it just my internet

[sour oasis]

If it does, it'll probably be even worse

[glossy meteor]

How

[sour oasis]

They've been having sync issues lately

[royal oyster]

if the current meta is displaced, it's not like the new one will be easier to fight somehow

[glossy meteor]

What could be worse then torp meme van and a nagato, shnano, and hiryuu

[elder crane]

probably involves even more event/time-gated shit

[glossy meteor]

All I want is just a bit more variety in it instead of the same torp meme van, or same backline

[sour oasis]

Eh, I can imagine a huge preload mistake happening where somehow French BB will get double barrage to go with Percy's double launch and then loaded to bear with torpedoes

[elder crane]

that's already possible

[sour oasis]

But imagine it gets popular

[elder crane]

like there's teams that just don't do as well on defense
or like often even better than just standard meta

ppl just don't use them

[glossy meteor]

Hold on bear torp

[sour oasis]

Auto correct if messing with me.

[radiant brook]

Avrora is mostly 8/10 meta cancer defense, 1/10 black torp, 1/10 memes or solo 120 for exp

[elder crane]

also the trend now is towards more and more alpha which is

[glossy meteor]

Better than the standard meta like what

[elder crane]

3 USN CV Helena

Warkai FdG Percy

[glossy meteor]

I am guessing entry, essex, and what would be the thrid

[radiant brook]

I've only seen one USS team and it's Erika

[sour oasis]

USS RNG is different

[royal oyster]

tbh if you're stuck around 1k rank you're not running into optimized meta anyway

[elder crane]

well is more

[glossy meteor]

The only uss rng you need is ranger

[elder crane]

3 CV *USN

[radiant brook]

Intrepid is usually the one getting picked for defensive skills

But any of the golds are fine

[elder crane]

cause third can be Hiryuu just fine

[elder crane]

exactly

[radiant brook]

I just run Helena/monarch to flex skins

[glossy meteor]

I am running a mostly us hms team

[radiant brook]

Maybe will switch to Aquila once I got her skin

[glossy meteor]

The only none is a kms cause she is the only really good van tank I have rn

[elder crane]

and the team is not as good as torpmemes at RNGing wins, or maybe even Helena Nanoryuu, but is much more threatening than just rando Nagato Nano Hiryuu/Amagi Juneau Azuma/Sandy/ykkz/Seattle etc

[sour oasis]

Bunker Hill flex

[radiant brook]

A lucky enty could just stuff the usual nanoryuu comp because they usually launch around the same time

Barring final counter

[elder crane]

on offense it's even more variety overall
heck I ran Nakaga past season and it works as well if not better than standard vs anything but torpmemes

[sour oasis]

Got any French ships? They've got some good RNG effects too. Vanguard ships have timed invincibility, Jean Bart has her preloaded salvo, and Richelieu is a debuff stat stick.

[elder crane]

Also I'm thinking of trying out this and

(usually diff is more like ~10k but it's funny)

[candid sluice]

What’s akagi? Cuda?

[sour oasis]

Sirius for AVI buff?

[elder crane]

818 cause why not

Sirius for killing vanguard better esp since no Nagato

overall one of the issues I was having with AKaga

is that it kills main too hard

[glossy meteor]

I do have them but not at 120 yet

[elder crane]

I'm actually running WNT now

cause if you pop hiryuu final counter on first strike, that's not actually a good thing pretty sure

[glossy meteor]

But also why is hyruu counter such a ungodly long time like 15 sec invuln

[candid sluice]

Sirius vg killer?

[elder crane]

-10% evarate stronk

[sour oasis]

How good is she at that? I almost want to default to a torpedo ship like Noshiro or Ibuki.

[elder crane]

it's offense, why would I want to run torpteam if not testing torpteam

[candid sluice]

U still use mics if using sirius

[ripe latch]

she not live vs hiryu/shinano

[elder crane]

sirius makes mics better actually

[sour oasis]

Enterprise with repair Manjuu outlasts that (with a luck Lucky E)

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

technically makes them a teeny bit worse but is better than stacking +hit

since it's evarate modifier

[ripe latch]

nakaga + sirius can shot azuma dev30

[candid sluice]

So gas mic on ur akaga?

[elder crane]

ye

[glossy meteor]

But the difference is that at the end enty dies do if in a 1v1 you have to hope it procs before and then you kill also rng reliant

[sour oasis]

Because torpedoes, even not optimized, go boom

[royal oyster]

don't forget the 3 wyverns

[elder crane]

imagine not trying for 90+% consistency on offense team smh
when you have access to almost every important option

3/9 on third still only

[radiant brook]

Even if it's gold quint with black torp it could force a final counter

[elder crane]

I keep getting nonplane UR print this month

[candid sluice]

Ibuki is really funny to use on offense

[elder crane]

ye that too

again

[sour oasis]

True. But Hiryu is a lot worse at defending against a vanguard that busts through.

[radiant brook]

I kept getting rainbow wrenches and no rainbow from abyss

[elder crane]

forcing early FC is not good if you don't run Hiryuu yourself

for most teams pretty sure

[radiant brook]

Sometimes the torps would just target warspite and killing her instantly

Just gold quint, not hms

[elder crane]

And Enty is any better?

[sour oasis]

A bit

[elder crane]

with Nakaga I've gunned down many an enty last two weeks

[sour oasis]

The lucky E does more damage at least.

[elder crane]

CV in general just kinda do nothing vs a competent vanguard in their face

[glossy meteor]

You're assuming it does cause usually she has a shinano and nagato to help
Also why does it feel like shinano by herself with a optimized load out can one shout an entire full health backline

[radiant brook]

How is having your own hiryuu using final counter early beneficial?

[elder crane]

yeeeep

[candid sluice]

More dmg to vang

[elder crane]

takes off like 60+% of main fleet HP if she gets off an uncontested strike

[sour oasis]

Three sets of massive crash damage atop regular massive damage.

[elder crane]

FC early smashes vanguards and hits main fleet quite hard too

[glossy meteor]

Srsly the only why my van is getting through is with a well timed juneau or a eldritch proc

[elder crane]

ye that's basically how the Nano-Helena comp works

[sour oasis]

Can't Helena + Juneau take the bite out of a launch+FC?

[glossy meteor]

Nano?

[elder crane]

Shinano

[glossy meteor]

Ah

[elder crane]

that's the problem

your vanguard dies (or will die with normal strike)

and then you're forced to out-trade their nano and/or trade out vs their vanguard

[sour oasis]

Not if they're de-sync'd from Shinano. (Assuming this is not an optimized defender)

[glossy meteor]

The only way I can best a shinano is with Enty luckyEing her way through

[sour oasis]

No Shinano of your own?

[radiant brook]

That's a big F

[elder crane]

I mean if not optimized defender you can do random bs like Nagato FdG Musekagi and still win without issues

[sour oasis]

The early spotter offense might be worth your while

[glossy meteor]

Not a 120 optimized gear one

[sour oasis]

Try using Percy with Warspite and FdG and try to snipe Shinano?

[radiant brook]

Put fdg directly opposite of shinano

[glossy meteor]

Haven't got FdG e
Yet and percy not strong enough

[elder crane]

that's one of the adv of that team
is basically their PvE loadout to begin with

USN CV too

since those can do without aimed TBs in PvE

or like often they have to if you don't have a slow stacked in team

[glossy meteor]

What I use rn is a Warsptir, Enty, and Formi backline
Prinz Eugene tank, juneau, and helena

[elder crane]

which maybe you don't want to stack so many slows for just hitting some not so strong TBs

[sour oasis]

Percy doesn't have to be strong, she just has to reveal the enemy backline immediately. But you need an overpowering BB sniping duo.

Got Centaur? You might just need more power than more slowing.

[elder crane]

@glossy meteor if you don't want to run a diff loadout from PvE I'd rec the Kanzaki Erika team then

-Helena +more AA on vanguard for offense

or if you find the team does have issues vs the very best defenses, +helena

though

[glossy meteor]

I don't know what that is
I use that load out partly pve but those are the ships that are the best ones I got or work the best
I use slow so I can kill the others van

[sour oasis]

But you would need the Frontier Medal (not just for AVI boost, but BB debuff)

[elder crane]

Enty Essex Intrepid, with just standard PvE loadout pretty much save avgas (parallel TBs)

[glossy meteor]

Avgas?

[elder crane]

aviation fuel aux equipment

that one's almost a must on CV for PvP

[sour oasis]

Not the drop tank, but the one in the core shop.

[elder crane]

drop tank maybe can be fine but ye the core shop one would be best

also SRL or BH over intrepid should be pretty much the same

[glossy meteor]

I see well I need to raise up intrepid but what about van

[sour oasis]

Juneau Sandy Helena Eldridge

[glossy meteor]

Ah yes miss #1

[elder crane]

Juneau and Seattle are the ones you probably want the most

if you go Eld > juneau it maybe can be fine?

though idk cause maybe not enough AA then

[glossy meteor]

Don't got seattle yet

[elder crane]

anyways you want to try to maintain CV stealth vs normal 10 s intercept exchange vs Hiryuu barrage

is not too important vs the rest

[sour oasis]

You could try mixing it up with other ships, Portland, Charles, Yukikaze, but don't keep your hopes high.

[glossy meteor]

Well I am still working on pr1 why exp grind

[candid sluice]

U got Cheshire? She could work

[elder crane]

given your situation then I'd probably rec you do run Helena then

you'll probably need the RNG

is not like you can't win without a proc btw

esp vs stuff not top meta

[candid sluice]

Helena will def help u a lot even if it means resetting a bunch

[glossy meteor]

But how will I time my ships with the proc?

[elder crane]

you... don't need to?

SG or not the timing should be just fine naturally

[sour oasis]

SG without having an SG Radar equipped right?

[elder crane]

maybe beacon needed if SG depending on oaths/loadout

anyways if Helena comp then not as important that you strictly maintain stealth

[glossy meteor]

Well I already want the first 2 launches to be in sync with the proc
I don't add sg to helena but I don't want to have her proc but it's delayed so when launch does happens by the time most of the dps comes the proc is over

[elder crane]

????

non-SG helena lasts until 30 s

if your CV launch that late

something is really wrong

[glossy meteor]

Ok how long is the proc itself

[candid sluice]

10 secs is her proc duration

U have time

Proc at 20 sec lasts till 30

[elder crane]

Every 20s: 30% (60%) chance to apply a debuff to all onscreen enemies, increasing the DMG they take by 20% (40%) for 10s.

[glossy meteor]

Ah frick I had the wrong number I thought it was 8

[elder crane]

even 8s

[candid sluice]

Roon Muse is 8 I think

[elder crane]

what CV launches so late as to hit at 28 s

Muun is 6 s no?

[glossy meteor]

Well my timing was off never mind helena proc is fine

[candid sluice]

Ones missing a plane

[elder crane]

fires a Lv.1 (Lv.10) Muse barrage that increases DMG taken by 10.0% for 6s to all enemies hit

[candid sluice]

Ah even shorter

[glossy meteor]

Anyway so maintain carrier stealth
What about fox backline or percy
Or shinano hiryuu