pvp

[upper cove]

true

expensive

[light crystal]

Oh wait, when something is listed as a "hard" stat, it doesn't scale 🤔

[elder crane]

Ye I mean that

Nothing better to do in that team

But it's still lulz

[elder crane]

It's pretty much just random really on what scales and what doesn't
Tho scaling amt is fairly consistent

See:snorkel

And, iirc sonar does weird thing too?

+HP aux iirc also has one do something weird

[light crystal]

Some people waste their gold plates on nonsense, but it's up to them, it's their shit

[elder crane]

Well it is aux plates

[light crystal]

The main things u should be using Aux plates on are: Frontier Medal, Rudders, WNT, Shells, and HPFCR.

[upper cove]

the joke is that gold aux plates are way easier to get than purple aux plates
but they're still a bottleneck due to the sheer quantity of aux gears to +13

[elder crane]

Ye but

Of those

How many Peeweepee relevant smh

[light crystal]

Anything outside that is questionable. We just discused Black dildos, which is a meme, but a meme worth doing

[upper cove]

WNT

that's all I got

[elder crane]

And I guess one rudder

And beaver

[upper cove]

I guess rudders, but not in this case where we're talking about torp meme

[elder crane]

Ye exactly

Oh also I tried out ghetto Warkai comp
Holy shit it sucked lmao
Could kinda barely kill a Nano... Unless Amagi or rudder then lmao

[light crystal]

I enhanced Cosmic Kicks before

But not Beaver yet

Beaver is worth tho

[upper cove]

I made a mega budget build that used warkai

it worked, but I don't think it would hold up against a true meta fleet

[elder crane]

Esp if slightly offmeta comp

Cause rudder or Amagi and then lmao

[upper cove]

nah it was fine against off meta stuff

cause warkai isn't even really the carry of the fleet

but she does a lot of work

[light crystal]

I'm glad to know Amagi is a still a thing in the current meta. Nagato, Shinano, Amagi is decent, and up there with Nagato, Shinano, Hiryuu

[elder crane]

Amagi in current peeweepee is basically how she is in ch11 vs ch12/13

Imo

Cause ch11 BB meta but then ch12/13 plane meta

[upper cove]

amagi seems like she might be fine on attack but she's just deadweight on defense imo

[light crystal]

I'm not using Amagi at all, but she has her gear, and is in standby if I ever feel like using her

[elder crane]

Oh and also she is kinda okay vs torps, though idk if actually worth

[light crystal]

U'd think that, but I've struggled against them before while using Nagato, Shinano and Hiryuu

[elder crane]

Mostly annoying on def maybe when you hit main w 4-5 torps and then see 2-3 misses

Wait

How

Namano is ez kill

Maybe you should

Use

[upper cove]

was it like an amagi/shinano/hiryuu fleet?

[light crystal]

No

[upper cove]

like if you're dropping hiryuu for amagi on defense
that's basically just an overglorified exp fleet

[elder crane]

Namano is the easiest kill ever on def since the team is just very predictable

[light crystal]

Wut I I found is that their Amagi was actually hitting hard my VG and my own BL after they became spotted

[upper cove]

use a vg that doesn't die?

I definitely do not have that problem

[light crystal]

Some funky stuff. Might've been fluke RNG, so dunno

[elder crane]

maybe you should use

||mics||

But Namano is real easy kill for standard team
Even mirror
Since there's just minimal RNG and you just press home attacker advantage

[upper cove]

like my vg tanks multiple nagato procs (unless their vg is dead and my vg gets shotgunned)
amagi is not making a significant difference on that front

[light crystal]

Well, wut can I say, RNG is RNG

[upper cove]

and certainly not outperforming one of the cvs you'd need to drop

[elder crane]

Torpmemes does get slightly annoyed tho

Cause 8% less dmg and occasionally main just somehow dodges 2-3/6-7 torps???

[covert swallow]

+13 black torp?

[light crystal]

I'm just going to say, Amagi is not weak, even tho u'd think taking out a CV would weaken damage output, or having her wit her pitiful AA mean their VG take more AVI dmg. Actually, on that last part, she does decrease AVI by 9%, so perhaps that offsets her pitiful AA kek

[upper cove]

ya her debuff is still cool
but she is doing less damage than one of the CVs you would need to take out

she's good for fighting comps that don't rely super heavily on planes, like torp memes

[elder crane]

She's not weak
The team works perfectly fine on offense
It just lacks any sort of RNG to pose a proper threat on def
And probably worse on avg, only doing ok on offense due to consistently pressing home attacker advantage

[light crystal]

She can smack VG hard tho, so eh. And I know ur gonna say, just use betetr VG, but I have access to all meta VG.

[upper cove]

but if their comp is very plane heavy, or worse, if the comp is crash meme

she's basically useless

[elder crane]

You are using WNT right

[light crystal]

The only ones I'm working on are Cheshire. And I need to work on Ibuki as well, but too lazy to

[upper cove]

I WNT myself and can still plow down 5/6 ships in a single strike

[elder crane]

I mean on Amagi hitting vanguard

[light crystal]

Wut does WNT have to do with downing planes? 🤔

[upper cove]

downing planes? nothing
your vg living? a fuck ton

[light crystal]

Oh, I read that wrong, nvm

[elder crane]

Technically

It does have to do w downing planes

Since it reduces plane to plane AA dmg

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[elder crane]

[light crystal]

It does

Huh

Well isn't that interesting

Perhaps I should take out WNT for ultimate AA memes

Well, not that it matters, chances are the enemy is running WNT themselves anyway

[elder crane]

Aviation pioneer for +10% plane to plane AA dmg

Well, actually more but ye

[upper cove]

I run WNT on the off chance that my enemy is running something that gets fucked by WNT and decided it's not worth switching around

[light crystal]

Wut about if they release an Aux that buffs team AA dmg by 5% or something, that would be nuts

[elder crane]

cough VF-17

[light crystal]

Well, that's stat

[elder crane]

If that is stackable it would be lulz

[light crystal]

I mean, 5% straight damage buff or something, that would scale better

[upper cove]

hardly

[elder crane]

I suppose for the ships with +AA already

Otherwise ye if just base vs base then +5% AA almost as good as +5% AA dmg, and also more air resist

Maximum memes is
VF-17 +AA
To boost plane AA stat

To take less plane to plane AA dmg

[light crystal]

Watch Manjuu make such an Aux when ppl start bitching about quad Wyvern users in the future

[elder crane]

On that note

• staag on all
  +25 mm/twin 76 from gear lab
  +13 sex bofors
  Thoughts?

[light crystal]

I rather they give us the tools to counter shit with and put the power on our hands rather than straight nerfing stuff, makes it funner that way

[elder crane]

I think it actually maybe gets 2 AA ticks vs most planes, even avgassed

[light crystal]

But isn't IJN Bofor close enough to a Des Moines AA gun?

And IJN Bofors are infinitely more accessible cuz fuck spending like 70 gold Circuits or w/e it was to make Des Moines AA gun lol

Actually, now that u mention it...

[timid current]

it costs 15 not 70 doesnt it?

[light crystal]

@elder crane Rather than running 2 Sextuples, wouldn't running more Accelators be better?

I'm running AA VG atm, but perhaps I'm not doing optimally 🤔

@timid current 15? I wish. And I was wrong too, but 45 still a fuck ton kek

[timid current]

yeah sorry i just remembered wrong lol

[light crystal]

Does anyone know if Helena's damage buff also affects AA damage? 🤔

[timid current]

mayabe, but wouldt the planes have to be on screen at 20s? i dont think ppl have sub 20s load times

[light crystal]

Huh? The buff lasts for 10s

[remote sage]

can someone help me figure out a vanguard for pvp? I don't have June or Yuki leveled yet

[timid current]

it debuffs enemies at time of activation

[light crystal]

So the coverage is from 20-30s

[remote sage]

trying to use roon, minne, suzu enemy cv usually kill me so trying to tank through it doesn't help much

[light crystal]

The way its worded, it wouldn't surprised me if she did indeed increase the damage done to Planes as well

Would explain why some ppl say she has alot of AA, which while high, is not Sandi levels

[timid current]

i mean you can try it but i dont think the debuff works that way

just how if your helena procs right before a boss spawns, the boss doesnt get debuffed

[light crystal]

Well, I'm not convinced myself. Is just I've heard some ppl bitch she downs planes alot or something, leading me to believe that it has more to do with that Skill than her actual own AA

[timid current]

do the science for the team

[light crystal]

I don't really wanna. But I do have a 120/200 Helena I don't even use for either PvE or PvP, so might as well test it out sometime lul

I just never have been a fan of relying on a 60% proc chance for stuff

[timid current]

also reads as "40% chance to reset battle"

[remote sage]

can either of you help?

[upper cove]

could do roonu/sandy/suzu

replace suzu with juneau when you get her levelled

[remote sage]

okay thanks

[covert swallow]

I'm personally running Helena/Ayanami/Suzu right now

[remote sage]

what do you think of helena? she seems to die for me often without giving a single proc (it's only 60% chance)

[covert swallow]

do you have this aux

[remote sage]

not yet, soon

[covert swallow]

leave my sg radar alone

[crude mortar]

why i laugh

https://media1.tenor.co/images/2739d25a7f21fab2f07ef7596997624a/tenor.gif?itemid=20555643&fbclid=IwAR3UmEauE6MtfBH9pXSxKqRsK6bLFrq48fg9Kb-tx2UySr0C23XvWJUHx3s

[covert swallow]

what's wrong with sg radar though

[timid current]

16s proc ruins timing for most things

[upper cove]

unless you're running a full 457 backline

sg is just gonna run out before you're getting use out of it

[remote sage]

yeah even out of pvp, not many backline have 16s cooldowns, sg messes up entire battle flow

[light crystal]

We're gonna give her a whirl I guess 🤔

[timid current]

couldnt resist the science huh

[upper cove]

doesn't really mess with the flow per se you'll go out of sync pretty quick

[remote sage]

that's exactly what I said with different words

[light crystal]

Well, she was already fully kitted out anyway. She had a Lunchbox +10 and some other AA gun, so just put in a +10 bulge wasn't even using and swapped in a STAAG, and she's ready

[upper cove]

no?

what you said made it sound like putting SG on helena completely changes how battles work entirely, which isn't really true

every ship in the game will ultimately desync with helena given enough time, but SG just exasperates it to an unnecessary level

[light crystal]

Look at dis, another Amagi user. Well, if amything, I love seeing the ol girl popular as ever

[buoyant parrot]

Good luck skipping or brute forcing your way through my def fleet :)

[waxen reef]

Hey, quick question. Is there a tier list floating around for PvP still? I see the google doc is out of date and hasn't been updated since last July

[crude mortar]

what this helena gear build

mah eye bleeding

[covert swallow]

well I can understand for 2nd+ barrage, but with SG radar my entire backline is able to hit during helenas first 16s proc

[upper cove]

ya the first reload cycle for your backline probably barely fits in that first SG proc

on the second proc, if she and the enemy vg are still alive, your backline might hit their vg during the proc but I doubt they would hit the enemy backline in time

[ebon kraken]

[crude mortar]

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

@distant token You know that ALM has put his pvp tierlist up on slaim, right?

[distant token]

nope

[trail temple]

Now you do

[distant token]

:kekw

[trail temple]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

[sour oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-superbowl-katyperry-gif-4483208

[crude mortar]

yukikaze tier0 naganami tier1

kekw

ayanami neptune suzutsuki tier1

what am i looking at

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/804993675868373013/ezgif-2-05655182a1ac.gif

[sour oasis]

Poverty.

[light crystal]

Amagi hits hard the VG 🤔

Btw, switching Helena out again 🤔

[cinder wyvern]

Whats the gray and red names on the tier list stand for?

[light crystal]

I see why Amagi is still relevant tbh 🤔

Using Helena just makes Shinano hit harder on first Airstrike, other than that is of questionable use imo

[timid current]

i take it the skill does not debuff the planes?

[cinder wyvern]

What skill?

[sour oasis]

Doesn't Amagi's skill debuff everything?

[timid current]

aoste was testing something with helena not talking about amagi

[cinder wyvern]

Oh amagi's

[sour oasis]

Amagi reduces FP TRP & AVI (not crash damage)

[cinder wyvern]

Er so which skill doesn't debuff panes?

[timid current]

helena

again, not talking about amagi

[cinder wyvern]

I guess I'm more confused about why Helena's skill would even be considered to debuff planes

[sour oasis]

Helena has a specific debuff?

[cinder wyvern]

Did someone say it does?

Yea thats my reaction

[light crystal]

I dunno, I couldn't really tell

[timid current]

guys just read the skill lol

[cinder wyvern]

But I'm EN

[sour oasis]

All enemies take extra damage.

[cinder wyvern]

Oh so planes take extra AA dmg is the idea

I see

[light crystal]

I thought planes would also take more damage

[timid current]

no

[cinder wyvern]

Makes sense

[timid current]

we were debating if the planes spawned after the proc would take debuffed damage

[sour oasis]

That's a fair point.

[cinder wyvern]

Yea

[sour oasis]

But I think only ships can take debuffs.

[cinder wyvern]

It sounds like planes alteady take debuff

[light crystal]

But couldn't really tell. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Still, Helena was too squish, and she herself didn't contribute too much to dmg done, other than the RNG of the proc

[cinder wyvern]

Just whether new planes does or not

[sour oasis]

[light crystal]

So I go back to Leipzig

[cinder wyvern]

How is leipzig even up for consideration

[timid current]

strong aa and invulnerable skill

[cinder wyvern]

[light crystal]

Also technically DD speed

[cinder wyvern]

Cancers back

[light crystal]

Cuz 32 + 9 = 41 Speed

[sour oasis]

How long is Leipzig's invincibility?

[light crystal]

And her torps are pretty nice against the enemy VG, and she gets stronger when Safety First procs

Overall a good bote for the current meta

Only 5s

[sour oasis]

That's not terrible.

[timid current]

if she absorbs an entire airstrike with it, it is very valuable

[cinder wyvern]

Ah its short not refreshable

Thats not too bad to handle

[light crystal]

It helps cuz if she takes near fatal damage, and Juneau takes fatal damage, she guarantees she gets healed by Juneau's heal

[cinder wyvern]

So she just there to be a brick sponge?

[sour oasis]

It's like built-in Manjuu, almost.

[timid current]

well i mean shes still good otherwise

[cinder wyvern]

With a cruiser boost

[light crystal]

Well granted, I'm only using her in Attack only, but I find she fares much better against AA meta than Azuma did, so w/e

[cinder wyvern]

Oh yea AA good too

[sour oasis]

If you run Leipzig and Juneau... Who's the third?

[timid current]

AA meme ship

[cinder wyvern]

Helena to complete the meme

[timid current]

either seatttle or sandy

[sour oasis]

Seattle, Helena, Sandy can all benefit from the Elite Repair Manjuu. (Heck so could Eldridge if you want super stall.)

[cinder wyvern]

Sounds like cancer

Altough lepizig really doesn't give me any danger vibes

Like i would hit that fleet if i see a comp like that

[crude mortar]

what server you on

[cinder wyvern]

Lexy

[crude mortar]

yep

[sour oasis]

But.. They have to die one at a time. If they all take fatal damage at once, Juneau dies, Leipzig and Sandy are on a timer regardless of how much HP Sandy recovered.

[cinder wyvern]

Yus laxington

[timid current]

this isnt for a defense fleet

this is for countering cvs on attack

[crude mortar]

put eld middle vs cv

[cinder wyvern]

Yea well tbf i run torp meme on attack and aim to kill vanguard

So CVs aren't really a concern

[crude mortar]

congratulation you just beat any 2++ cv comp with no efford

[cinder wyvern]

• the slacckest server

[sour oasis]

Barrage back line or your own CV since they effectively have improved stealth?

[timid current]

wym? its to yeet their planes out of existence so they dont do crash dmg

[sour oasis]

Your vanguard already yeeting planes. What's your main fleet look like?

[timid current]

just normal shinano/naagato/hiryuu

with a wyvern

[sour oasis]

Fair enough.

[timid current]

= lots of AA damage

when you add in seattle and leipzig

even juneau has good AA

[sour oasis]

Thought you would have gone with 3 CV back line for more intercept & crash damage, or 3 BB for fire memes.

[timid current]

nah im too normie for that

[light crystal]

Seattle. She's very damn tankey.

And her AA is good, and cuz of the two AA gun slots, u can min max her with a Sex Bofor on main slot and an accelerator on second

[crude mortar]

sex

[elder crane]

Des memez gun is significantly better than IJN bofors
But if you want to cheapskate you can do the IJN 25 mm from gear lab, the range is gimped but the base load time is ridiculously short

On that note Leip in standard comp seems... Okay
For some reason I feel like she's worse off in standard than in torpmemez on survivability despite extra +HP aux and WNT lol, not really sure why?
Maybe torpmemes blew up enemy vanguard early or something idk

@light crystal
maybe Amagi seems like she does anything vs ur vanguard since running scuttle rather than Azuma

[worldly cape]

What's the aux gear for the Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano comp?

[sour oasis]

Typically homing beacon and aviation gas for CV for immediate damage, mix of unique aux for Flagship (Beaver badge, Naval treaty, etc.) to boost survivability rather than damage.

[worldly cape]

Thanks

Is the Team Emblem/Random Word Generator/Polaris Mics better than Homing Beacon? Or just too niche?

[sour oasis]

There's been alternatives recently with a mixture of defense fleets, from using more gas vs AA heavy fleets, microphones vs evasion, etc.

Depends.

I didn't even run aviation gas until more defending fleets started using sextuple bofors.

In a sense, they're all compromises. Between maximum evasion of a rudder, accuracy from a gyroscope, speed of a boiler, and how much you want the extra firepower.
The mics are gyros with FP, the Emblem/RWG is half boiler/half rudder, etc.

[light crystal]

Seattle is tankier than Leipzig, due to damage mitigation skill and higher HP. And yes, I know Azuma is tankier against BB shelling due to much higher HP and Medium armor. But if I run Azuma again, I'll run into the same issue I had before, taking fuck ton of damage against planes instead, And ultimately, it's not like I was losing against Namano, it just I saw that Amagi was still doing work. I rather take my current situation of being a bit more susceptible to BB shelling, than being more vulnerable against CV's, the actual current meta lmao

[light crystal]

Also, I've looked at the tables, and how exactly is Des Moines AA gun considerably better than IJN bofors? I'm not saying they're not beter, they are, but "considerably"?

They got virtually the same reload, and DM has 1 more range. The main difference I see is about 10% more DPS due to higher base damage, but since you mostly want them for their reload:damage ratio as an Accelerator, does it matter that much to justify 45 gold Circuits if you can just simply use an IJN Bofor instead?

[thin cosmos]

seattle can be better tanker for now but Azuma isn't just tanker, she is VG nuker

[thin cosmos]

about this I will focus on range more and already short enough range due to STAGG so I will not use both

[light crystal]

She's only going to fire her guns like wut, 3 times in 20s? That's not really going to "nuke" a Vg byt he time she folds on the first airstrike. Anyway, I'm more interested to know about why he thinks Des Moines gun is considerably better

Maybe there's some secret sauce on it I'm missing.

[thin cosmos]

you can call her as dealer then

anyway her damage is much higher than anyother gun based VG

[light crystal]

Well, right now the meta is more about stalling against airstrikes and letting your CV's work on the other team instead

[elder crane]

Idk how your Azuma folds or anything

Unless she first eats torps or a full hit by Nagato barrage, Azuma has no issues surviving strike wave

[light crystal]

She did for me. I made the switch, I like it better now. Anyway, u didn't answer me lol

Is there something else besides the 1 extra range and 10% extra DPS that makes DM gun stand out over IJN Bofor?

[thin cosmos]

surviving first airstrike just depends on VG movement+blue skill activation

full hp azuma can be killed in depends on VG movement like back and forth

[sour oasis]

Who the heck uses twin 76mm AA unless they have absolutely no shortage of resources.

[light crystal]

That's wut I mean. It is better than an IJN Bofor as an Accelerator, but not to the levels of costing 45 Circuits, at least not now when we're bottlenecked for other higher priority shit that use Circuits, like Planes.

[elder crane]

Ye I remembered it to be better, honestly would triple 25 instead for PvP since range doesn't matter as much (it has better range vs reload characteristics)

Seattle now that I've carefully looked over eHP and stuff does seem pretty good in current meta tbf
Though I still don't see how you guys have issues with Azuma
+13 rudder/shoes with WNT on Nagato and as I said, she only dies if she's taken significant amts of other dmg

[light crystal]

She still folds to CV's hard, to the point I started using Seattle and then Leipzig for more consistency against CV's. Was getting tired of barely winning games with my VG practically nearly dead by the end or straight up just dying to airstrikes lol

But yeah, bottomline, DM gun not worth it atm then, purely looking at stats. If it has some secret effect going on or something, not worth 45 Circuits right now if u can just use an IJN Bofor.

[thin cosmos]

azuma sometimes killed in 1strike for sure, but most VG would die in same way)

So I will pick azuma for much more damage

[radiant brook]

Seattle/sandy becomes much more powerful now that the meta team is 2CV

[light crystal]

Sandi's main issue she's just too Squishy

If the VG doesn't either nuke stuff with torps to make up for squish, or it's good at stalling, then it's a bad VG overall

[elder crane]

Ye unlike seattle, sandy literally folds to any dmg not CV

Inc Azuma

Azuma gets a solid hit on her, ded
Nagato slams a barrage/shots into her, ded

Hit by torps, ded

Seattle can kinda absorb at least some of that

[light crystal]

🛩️

[timid current]

wheres the 200 plane kills

[light crystal]

Good rounder. Her eHP against CV's is something like 140k+ lol

[sour oasis]

What happens when Nagato dies?

[elder crane]

nothing since she's just a buff stick

In all seriousness

If she dies then you better win the vanguard fight

Hiryuu/Nano can't be relied on to do anything vs a vanguard in their face

[light crystal]

Depends on the VG HP, at that point it would be the bombs that can kill them as torpedoes wouldn't even be able to hit I think. But anyway, with AA+ VG, your BL tends to take very little damage anyway lol

I've had many games where I win and my BL is near full HP

You know, Nagato does little damage. I've been wondering if I should use Triple 305mm on Nagato over FDG gun 🤔

They got near-same Reload, 305 being faster actually. And perhaps the increased Spread and shooting 3 shells instead of 2 would improve likely hood of clipping VG 🤔

I might as well try it, got nothing to lose for experimenting

[thin cosmos]

burn damage is about 70%

[light crystal]

At worst, it's a better intermediary between a Hoodgun and an FDG gun, cuz faster reload than FDG gun (Basically tied with Hoodgun), while still doing much higher damage than a Hoodgun. And for a BB Barrager, that could come useful

[leaden sky]

Whats the highest point in yall server atm?

[upper cove]

1634 in washi

[cinder wyvern]

1630 lexy

[mint hornet]

1666 avrora

[candid sluice]

1634 amagi

[sacred heath]

Why would top scores matter right now anyways

Sandbaggers still sandbagging

[light crystal]

@coral wren No

Collusion, smh

[buoyant parrot]

wow he still is DT, not JB

[crude mortar]

d t > jb

[radiant brook]

Ofc a clown is a better president than a battleship

[gritty cove]

Time to lay down 406

[trail temple]

Wow, Kenny trying to turn this place into a collusion channel, mods gonna ban soon

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

@trail temple

Probably the only t10 with a meme defense atm

[upper cove]

I mean you could actually check if that was true anyways

[radiant brook]

I checked

Nvm I somehow ignored t1

He also runs a meme defense

[trail temple]

I've been found

:

😮

[light crystal]

To be a lolicon?

He's in at least two servers btw

[timid current]

it was so close to greatness

[trail temple]

That's already a well established fact, along with many other degenerate acts...

[light crystal]

Too bad Azuma's not so hot atm anyway anymore

[abstract cypress]

hope anshen give pvp ship

[light crystal]

I think Mark has better hope than Miryuu, at least

[crude mortar]

ashen doesn't had pvp ship

ssr destroyer doesn't seems promising

[abstract cypress]

we might have ykkz tier

but its not ijn, so probably the chance is less than 1%

[light crystal]

Hard to say. I think she can have the possibility. If she has some sort of zombie skill + some sort of AA gimmick that's actually really good (Some god skill or smoke), she might have a chance. Basically, unless she's really good at stalling in this CV meta, she has no chance.

I myself don't think the chances are high, cuz I agree with the "lol, she ain't IJN" as well, but we'll know in about 40 or so hours when we get the datamine.

[elder crane]

Oh, new ship?
99.99% lolno lol non-torp DD
That's my take on the matter

[sour oasis]

Who was Elon Musk (just assuming Vladimir Purin changed names again), and why did they Manjuu Sandy?

[candid sluice]

Watch the SR dd become asw oriented

[radiant brook]

Pvp has devolved into "not IJN = bad"

Unless it's juneau/enty/sandy/seattle

[candid sluice]

[frail orbit]

[sour oasis]

Someone still have an Eldridge emote?

[candid sluice]

🏑

[buoyant parrot]

MOVE Avrora Potatoes

[distant token]

no

[crude mortar]

new dd better be juneu 2.0

that heal full hp to all uss ship

with 3k base hp

and 600 anti air

with double mgm

and 50 speed

[light crystal]

It doesn't matter. Stalling is more important. I'd take a ship that can properly tank CV's very well anyway. You should know this. Have your VG stall so that your CV's kill their team, that's the strat.

So I don't see how "lol, non-torp DD" would equate into the current meta.

[zenith tundra]

the new dd really needs to be very good for me to consider swapping out yukikaze

like very high aa and good defensive skill

[elder crane]

That's the point
DD HP/AA suck

Is there a single DD that without +AA aux, breaks 300 AA post-buffs?
And for HP+AA, suzu is miles above the rest and is still meh

[light crystal]

A Zombie skill and some AA gimmick skill that's actually good could be great

[elder crane]

It's roughly cooper stats so don't hold your breath

[light crystal]

Well, stats suck, but this game is mostly about Skills

So a Skill can break or make a girl. Otherwise, ships like Jeanne would be Tier nothing lmao

But yeah, USN DD's, outside Eld, don't really have a track record of PvP. Actually, only three DD's I can really think are good in PvP are YKKZ, Suzu and Eld lol

And Naganami/Aya, ofc, but she torp, not really a staller.

[elder crane]

Ykkz really good skills and in BB meta, is okay these days
Eld meme god tier skill
Suzu really good skills but still just okay

And ye torps are their own thing but lol USN torps

Oh and ofc Fortune waaaaay back when since lol what selection at the time

[zenith tundra]

why aren't people using eldridge now?

[elder crane]

Cause Nagato/Azuma is liable to just delete her

And Amagi for the peeps still running her

Or knock off enough HP that she doesn't pop skill during strike before dying anymore

Note that ofc Manjuu doesn't help since she needs to be hit to use skill, and Manjuu gives immunity

And yes unlike Cheshire skill for example she actually needs to take dmg

[crude mortar]

this dd better had 30% dmg reduction for whole fleet

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-please-no-i-dont-wanna-gif-18254676

[zenith tundra]

so like 0 chances of replacing yuki

[crude mortar]

or 50% torp reduction for whole fleet

whole mean whole not just vg

[zenith tundra]

what's the difference in between suzu and yuki in actual combat? is it just more aa or she can survive too?

[crude mortar]

shes jailbait

just put torp meme on her

enemy wont expecint that

like what cz've done

its suzutsuki

its garbage fleet

press attack

and not looking

5s later all your vg disappear

[zenith tundra]

idc about torp

i mean actual combat not just stupid memes

[crude mortar]

why would you ever use suzu over sandy

thats the question

beside speed buff

[zenith tundra]

well i never use sandy to begin with

[crude mortar]

but why

[zenith tundra]

i'm not winning aa battles without wyvern

[crude mortar]

if they use ctrl c v azuma noshiro juneu yukikaze def fleet

with shinani hiryu

you put sandy jun azuma

you win all the time

you just cant lose

https://tenor.com/view/nakiri-ayame-vtuber-hololive-ayame-gif-19289738

[zenith tundra]

idk yukikaze wins me most battles by being alive even when my backline is gone

[covert swallow]

I use suzu

[crude mortar]

put sandy your backline gonna be alive

[zenith tundra]

how is she

[covert swallow]

I personally like her, the smokescreen 3s into fight is nice

[crude mortar]

40% dodge 5s

thats it

[zenith tundra]

the only reason to ever carre about sandy is if u want to avoid detection

problem is i still won't win if my vg dies because bad gear

[crude mortar]

she had 80% plane dmg reduction

you slap in fire supressor how can she die

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-please-no-i-dont-wanna-gif-18254676

[zenith tundra]

maybe by getting wiped by nagato + azuma

dunno can't seem to phantom her surviving just because aa

[crude mortar]

did you use fire supressor

thats the question

fe negate like 50% of nagato dmg

and azuma too

how can you die

*fs

[zenith tundra]

nagato barrage is straight damage not burn

[crude mortar]

you had azuma tank

how long did i use sandy

shes surviving all the time

[covert swallow]

I use helena as my tank

[crude mortar]

thats stupid

[covert swallow]

I'm stupid

so it matches

[zenith tundra]

i use juneau tank

[crude mortar]

[covert swallow]

not even joking btw

[zenith tundra]

are u actually using nagato shinano hiryuu or stupid uss meme @crude mortar ?

[crude mortar]

i have all of them

i do all the test

[zenith tundra]

you know that essex has dr for planes right?

[crude mortar]

its 12% thats not reliable

[zenith tundra]

when all the dmg is plane 12% is a lot

[crude mortar]

you should talk to famine

he use sandy azuma jun

[zenith tundra]

so what?

[crude mortar]

it just dont lose to sandard ijn comp

it really not losing

[zenith tundra]

again are you mirroring all the time?

[crude mortar]

are you having any problem vs non ijn def fleet

[zenith tundra]

mirror is like the only comp that does anything

[covert swallow]

a lot of people on amagi are starting to run sandy now

[crude mortar]

isn't whole ladder

had one comp

cuz i run into same shit everyday

[zenith tundra]

i feel like you don't understand that my win condition is purely vg being alive at the end because even without being detected my backline won't wipe shit with +10 planes

[crude mortar]

did you use 818 on hiryu

[zenith tundra]

always

[covert swallow]

is this right setup for hiryuu?

[crude mortar]

did you use wtn

wnt

[zenith tundra]

yep

[covert swallow]

I'm finally building her because she's annoying in pvp

[crude mortar]

how do you losing first air strike vg trade

if you had sandy

[zenith tundra]

i'll try her and if she ever dies even once she goes into 🚮

[crude mortar]

i dont think she die

go try her

free experience

[zenith tundra]

when i tried her i was testing and there was no difference in between yuki and her for me

you just don't kill vg and then lose vg fight

[crude mortar]

what your azuma side gun now

[zenith tundra]

that's how

[mint hornet]

garbage fleet means the enemy fights me and afk's into torps
learning from kiro

[crude mortar]

500iq play

is this meta

act like using garbage fleet but actually not

they alt tab

and lose 1 ticket

[timid current]

how much hp does wyvern have in pvp

[crude mortar]

x4

972 with avgas

[timid current]

ok so the x4 is after avgas gotcha

[blazing crescent]

Is fleet power of your enemy in any way important for the ladder ranking or is the rank of your opponent the only thing that matters?

[glad mulch]

WHAT??
i kill opponent hiryuu but somehow that hiryuu strike kill me too. u can see my backline still stand there

[blazing crescent]

Happened to me once too. My Hyriuu was shown alive and enemy enty died but they died almost simultaneously and it counted as a loss

[uncut agate]

only the opponent's score matter

[blazing crescent]

Score meaning ladder rank?

[uncut agate]

Yup

[blazing crescent]

Ah I see it's the number with the medal, for example now it should be around 1270 for top spots

[glad mulch]

3 times with this. before I just thought I did lose, but it's very clear I killed her first

[distant token]

scores should be around 1800+ now

one that looks like this

[sour oasis]

Ties, time-out/draws count as losses. (Yes, an exercise can go the full 5 minutes; no you do not want it to.)

[blazing crescent]

My longest game lasted like 2 or 3 minutes I always wondered if it's even possible to do 5 min

[blazing crescent]

True they're around 1800 now

[sour oasis]

Only if you and your opponent are both sync'd properly. (Lucky E for days)

[thin cosmos]

theoretically 1level vg+120 akasi for both side has 100%chance of draw

[sour oasis]

It would be very tough for repair ships to survive very long.

Two Eldridge have a higher chance of surviving to being the last two alive.

My favorite is when Juneau are somehow the last two alive.

[zenith tundra]

maybe 2 ryuuhou with no planes equipped and s lvl 1 vgs. most unlikely that default planes can do more damage then the heal

[distant token]

idk level one cassin 1v1 with no gun and like double repair tools with akashi sounds reasonable for a infinite 1v1

[sour oasis]

What opponents would run these

[zenith tundra]

70% chance of +20% aa fleet wise every 20s for the new uss dd. sounds interesting

[light crystal]

Yooooooo

The new DD is actually good for the current meta!!

[candid sluice]

AA botes

[light crystal]

Both are good, surprisingly enough. Potter might be better in Attack too as well, but Summers is solid as well

[crude mortar]

air strike meme is real

[zenith tundra]

i feel like potter is too paper to be used properly

the buff only applies while alive, her aa is not good as well as her hp and evasion

[light crystal]

Well, she's gonna be in middle anyway

She's gonna make Juneau face tank a bit better

And she's gonna buff ur CV's

[crude mortar]

who use juneu anyway

[light crystal]

And her AA is not that bad

[crude mortar]

just go balt helena potter

1 air strike

guarantee 6 ship delete

[light crystal]

So like, Potter has real use here

Summers might be more consistency cuz better stalling against enemy CV damage tho

I guess u could try running both Summers and Potter, but the VG will be pretty squish

So I'd do Juneau, Potter/Summers, Seattle.

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't more aa do the same as potter by avoiding detection?

[light crystal]

They both have their strengths. So u probably can't go wrong with either.

Looking at it closer, Potter is Hazelwood, but with slightly better stats, and that other supporting buff https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Hazelwood

[elder crane]

I guess you get the dred 70% of the time but
I have my doubts on Sumner eHP (even her AA stat and therefore air resist is pretty low cause DD things) and her own AA dmg is kinda shitty
Even adding in +20% on Juneau she ends up behind Seattle pretty sure, and is much less tanky than her probably
And her DpS is garbage for what little bit that matters

[elder crane]

If we're talking without her 20 s AA buff she has barely over 1k eAA lol

[zenith tundra]

i was talking about petter damage buff and pointing out how you could avoid detection by running more aa and obtain similar results

[elder crane]

Oh that
If you actually can avoid detection then it's not similar, it's significantly better to avoid detection
With typical PvP ship air resist you're looking at around 30% more dmg for stealth, vs ~20% at best more dmg for +15% dmg buff

For specifically Enty it's even worse, more like +8%

[zenith tundra]

about summer 20% aa is like barely any extra damage reduction. even on shitty aa ships like nagato is like 4% dr from planes

[elder crane]

Well it actually scales better on high AA ships

Since it's eHp modifier multipler that matters

Still, not that impactful and lol 70%

[zenith tundra]

yeah ur right i forgot how dr works

[radiant brook]

Guess this is another case of "lol not IJN don't use"

[elder crane]

Btw to compare to known ships
eHP worse than Suzu vs anything
vs planes is like 10% worse (~15% worse if no proc, would mean lower AA stat lol) and vs other shit 13% basically.... Before you consider no smoke

[zenith tundra]

yeah i imagined that much with like 0 defensive skills

[elder crane]

Overall I 100% called it as mediocre gold DD

If we talk PvE it's even more lul there but I digress

[zenith tundra]

she gets forp preload and capacity at lb2 right? not 100% sure but that seems the case looking at the cn text

[elder crane]

Yes

[zenith tundra]

she looks like a starter specialized in aa

[elder crane]

Ye basically
And not specialized enough to matter much :PortDoll:

[radiant brook]

Her gun efficiency is worse than retro starters at that

135 vs 175 (nimi retro)

[elder crane]

Her DpS is just embarrassing

[radiant brook]

Another AA gimmick that won't be used, they just want to keep making AA memes for USS while keeping them away from actually good ships like healers

Pretty concerning ngl

[elder crane]

She's not even good for AA memes

We're talking 1.1-1.3k eAA if we treat her extra gun as 100% eff
Which it's worse than +13 gun pretty sure, a bit better than +10

+20% fleetwide AA even if 100% uptime doesn't make up for taking it over a proper AA ship

[light crystal]

I think she's better than Suzutsuki

[elder crane]

The nonsandy Atlantas are at 1.5k ish iirc for comparison

[elder crane]

I think she's worse

[light crystal]

She has 175% Eff AA gun slot, and another AA gun mount on top doing 146 dmg

[elder crane]

*160%

[light crystal]

cool, a smoke that isn't guarantee to cover u, and has 30% proc chance. The main thing Suzu has over Summer is 20% Heal lol

175%

I'm adding the skill here that increases it by 15%

[elder crane]

That's AA stat

[light crystal]

Oh was it?

[elder crane]

On that note her AA stat without +20% buff is actually lower than Suzu lol

[light crystal]

But 20% fleet AA is better overall. And 70% proc is not bad, again, I'll take it over a 30% proc smoke that u can just glide out from lol

[elder crane]

And ofc for what it's worth Sumner DpS is completely garbage

[light crystal]

U know DPS doesn't really matter all that much. It's OK to begin with, but if pure DPS was everything, I'd still be using my Azuma

[elder crane]

70% proc is shitty

[light crystal]

I stopped using Azuma because she was doing pretty bad in CV meta

[elder crane]

I'm still using Azuma since she still is doing like 1/4 of the dmg vs enemy vanguard

And she does perfectly fiiiine
Outlives seattle more often than not

[zenith tundra]

is the special mount affected by absolute cooldown or it's included in the base cooldown on the datamine? because 142/1.537x100%eff=92.38 while quad boffors is 120/1.54x160%eff =124.67. effectively speaking the efficiency completely kills it

[elder crane]

It's affected by abscd

[light crystal]

She did not do perfectly fine for me, and I tried using Juneau/Azuma/YKKZ, Juneau/Azuma/Suzu, and Juneau/Azuma/Seattle.

[elder crane]

Literally that last setup is what I'm trying out

[light crystal]

If us till like her, well good for u

[elder crane]

And Azuma lives longer than seattle

[zenith tundra]

even with the good stats the aa dps ends up being only 3/4 of a quad bofors and 2/3 of sextuple (at +10)

[light crystal]

Azuma does not tank CV's well

[elder crane]

Ah yes that's why she almost always lives and seattle sometimes dies

[light crystal]

I commend ur RNG then

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah also why azuma outlives my sandy vs cvs most of the time

[elder crane]

Tbf

That's Sandy

She's maybe suprisingly squish

Even vs planes tbh
Though very much so vs anything not planes

[zenith tundra]

is it better to run sandal or aa radar on sandy? i really don't like putting sandal on azuma instead of rudder so i use it on sandy

[elder crane]

Azuma hits 2-3 salvos and sandy's at half HP lol

Azuma for me takes Rudder/Sandals

[zenith tundra]

oh so no gyro

i should try that

[light crystal]

[zenith tundra]

how much speed do u run on sandy and juneau? like 1 boiler each or more?

[elder crane]

2 boiler total ye for that kind of comp seems perfectly fine

[zenith tundra]

what are the other 2 aux for them? pearl on who?

[light crystal]

Hmm, u dont want to be too fast imo, cuz besides stalling, u do want ur AA circle to do dmg to the planes so ur BL doesn't take too much dmg in turn lol

[elder crane]

I'd pearl not Juneau for some consistency

For AA I'm pretty sure it really doesn't matter but main thing is +speed beyond a bare minimum doesn't even help much these days

I do have to say that Seattle > Leip tho so far for standard comp
Leip dies to airstrike more often I find for some reason, she somehow loses 70% HP before 20 s (nonstrike nontorpmeme DpS does somewhat matter still) more often than Seattle dies during airstrike
And the movement speed doesn't really seem to help

[zenith tundra]

the reason to use seattle is because she is tankier over sandy?

[elder crane]

Also reeee still no plane UR print drops
Just two gun one AA one torp pretty sure this month

[light crystal]

I just run Leipzig and Seattle together lol

[elder crane]

Ye significantly tankier

Azuma dmg is still welcome esp vs torpmemes and honestly Leip dies more lol

I think on avg Leip actually lives longer than seattle maybe but she just sometimes dies early more

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah someone was asking in gph for vs torp memes and i just left the room because people kept saying how azuma is usless cs torp memes

[elder crane]

Anyways on eHP Scuttle is like +40% over Sandy
Still like +25% ish vs planes iirc

Azuma if she doesn't get nuked just chews them up
Better hope you dodge all those gun shots/barrages

[zenith tundra]

do you use double aa?

[elder crane]

Ye the bit of extra DpS (+12-13% ish main gun iirc) will barely matter but better AA dmg (+30% ish iirc) + reload+Air resist is why you'd run her in the first place

[zenith tundra]

what do u use on juneau and seattle? assuming staag on both nagato and azuma

[elder crane]

+13 sex bofors on primary AA slots ofc

Seattle extra AA slot is garage eff so you just take accelerator
I'm actually testing out IJN gear lab 25 mms, will try making two more later and dropping staags to see if significantly ups 2 AA hit chance

I'd like to see if twin 76 can be useful but lolno at those electronics cost
Still need more planes

[zenith tundra]

if i don't have that i would just use ijn bofors i would guess

[elder crane]

Ye
I doubt +10 hit makes any diff

[light crystal]

Des Monines guns has 1 extra range, same reload and 9% extra dmg, dont think it's worth 45 Circuits to take over an IJN Bofor

Maybe like half a year from now when we're better of for mats lol

[abstract cypress]

shit USS AA ship

well its normal

[light crystal]

See's got great AA, but my main concern is her squishiness. At least, she seems to take less burn damage, so that may help a bit lol

[meager valley]

At least she'll tank more than Azuma

I feel like summers gonna sit there and not do much

You probably would have to use her with Suzutsuki to offset her tankiness a bit too

Or ig you can use the Eagle Union repair

And that also has the side effect of procing her skill

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

Lol u wish

Even vs planes, her base AA stat is shit

Her AA dmg all comes from high effective efficiency

[distant token]

i had to do the double take on this one i was about to say Somers?

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

Damn, ur really pessimistic rnt u

She's probably the best AA DD in the game as well.

[candid sluice]

That’s not necessarily a good thing

[radiant brook]

Except that we had enough AA already in juneau (pvp only), sandy and seattle

So having more is kinda redundant

[light crystal]

Neither a bad one. I for one intend to test her out, at least. Going in, I am iffy in general survivability. An unfortunate torp can finish her off before she comes in useful for CV airstrikes, as she does not have damage mitigating capabilities for that

Also unsure of wut aux to use on her as well. I think some sort of 500 HP + Radar for now

[zenith tundra]

rudder can be used to trigger her 2nd skill

not sure is relevant for pvp though

[light crystal]

Was just thinking on using 127mm +13 to begin with anyway, as that gun has AA stat as well

I did cononteplate rudder as well ngl, cuz the USN DD's have like 160~ EVA on average. The average top tier EVA stat is around 190-200+

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[midnight heron]

nice now bs comps can match meta fleets

this fleet actually can even have a chance against the standard nanoryuu comp 👏

cuz im sure dd have such high aa

[shell heron]

Did you attempt to fight it?I can't imagine winning VG fights with that

[candid sluice]

Triple dd amagi

[midnight heron]

bruh they made me reset once and dat was all i needed to go on dat rant

[abstract cypress]

then your fleet is weak

[candid sluice]

How are u losing to kitakaze

[radiant brook]

Is full USS AA memes viable?

[sour oasis]

Juneau Helena Seattle sounds feasible. Maybe not dominating, but feasible.

[light crystal]

Helena

[elder crane]

you still running shitty team?

[candid sluice]

+ =

[stoic vector]

Just wondering, why did wasd fall out of the meta?

[zenith tundra]

wasd fell out of meta pretty much as soon as nagato was released in en

after that it was just a meme tbh

couldn't keep up with namaryuu at all

after that warspite retro made it impossible for a lot of comps that didn't work well with her to be completely unusable

it's just that wasd doesn't have enough damage to keep with better pairs like nagato + amagi

not to mention old south dakota shield was at 30s and that was only working vs akaga and nothing else

so overall not enough damage no good defensive synergies and even with enty it wasn't really that good to beat better stuff

[candid sluice]

It was used to counter akaga so when they fell off so did wasd

[radiant brook]

Do you think manjuu should do something to counter the meta?

[zenith tundra]

i don't even use manjuu. on juneau doesn't feel good because i want her to die mid airstrikes so my vg survives and dunno if it matters on seattle

[light crystal]

Funnily enough, Nakaga is very viable now lol

[zenith tundra]

u don't really see any on avrora anyway

it's literally just memes or nagato shinano hiryuu

[light crystal]

Nakaga is not a meme tho

[zenith tundra]

i never faced 1 this whole season

[light crystal]

Just cuz u dont see something in Defense doesnt mean ppl rnt using it on Attek, cuz of Attek bonus after all

[zenith tundra]

maybe some meme nakagas last season when i started after 4 days and was mid 2k at the end

sure but it's not like many people can set up defense and offense separately

[light crystal]

True. Well either way, it's not a meme. It's certainly far better than other comps lol

[zenith tundra]

for the context of wasd being viable if no one ever uses akaga defense then there is no point to it either because if no one uses it u are at disadvantage vs other comps

[light crystal]

Jsut cuz a certain spcific comp is not used, u shouldn't consider variances that are effective memes

Like, as long as u achieve 90%+ WR on attek without needing to reset, it should be good enough

WASD's biggest fault rn is being a BB comp. If it was noneffective when we had BB meta, it's gonna be laughable right now in CV meta lmao

Nakaga otherwise has the alpha, specially on Attek, to be perfectly viable.

[zenith tundra]

with attacker bonus a lot more comps are viable then defense anyway

[light crystal]

Which is wut I said. Ofc, as long as they're CV based. If they're BB based, they're gonna be bellow consistent 90% WR on attek

[candid sluice]

It’s alright on attack but garbage on defense which is why u don’t see em

Esp with wyverns now their quick launch

[zenith tundra]

usually there isn't all that much difference in between top attack and top defense comps. outside of specific counters if a fleet performs good on offense it also works on defense

[candid sluice]

Except for akaga defense

[zenith tundra]

ok. so akaga defense is the 1st t0 comp that doesn't work at all. weird how all old top comps also worked on defense too

[ripe latch]

[abstract cypress]

ive seen few akaga, theyre good

[candid sluice]

[hoary saddle]

any good uss fleet comps that can withstand the nagato,shinano,hiryuu comp?

[abstract cypress]

use triple CV meme

[radiant brook]

Where is Kanzaki and his full USS defense

[abstract cypress]

smth like this, mb change belfast to anythin sandy/seattle/etc

[midnight heron]

depends on wat is considered shitty, ive been running nanoryuu with jun/azuma/115+ helena

and no they werent torpmemes which is why its weird

some random comp can even match up to meta backline

doesnt make fking sense

[shell heron]

While random "slap in strong units" comps usually don't work against meta. There is that small chance of it rolling better

[midnight heron]

im still hardpressed to believe a double cv comp can so easily get outmatched in dmg

esp cuz mine has no chance of being detected on 1st strike while enemy nano is 100% detected

and running 3 dd means his total aa is severely hampered

[light crystal]

Prolly got a good roll on smoke and being in it

[midnight heron]

good riddance either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worldly cape]

How harsh would be a nerf to Hiryuu by giving Final Counter an "immune to dmg for 15s, then sinks"?

[abstract cypress]

it will barely do anything

[light crystal]

Nr, it would affect her consistency, cuz no heal from Juneau, and possibly getting another airstrike as well

[abstract cypress]

i would remove the bonus airstrike if u want to cripple her

[radiant brook]

Maybe just make her invincible for 1 second, just enough time to launch one more strike

Since that's what happen irl

Then again, they never nerfed anything before

[midnight heron]

lul if they were to nerf anything it better be torpmemes

at its current state its just broken af

even running wnt doesnt matter anymore since parallel torps just 1 taps whoever

[trail temple]

Might bring out more items like wnt and medallion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[radiant brook]

Black torp+HMS torp is just too powerful for medallion/wnt

Shinano got one shotted with black torp magnet

[midnight heron]

even if they do bring out more pvp gear i doubt its gonna be as simple as "reduce torp dmg for both sides by xxx%"

cuz lul does the game even care about balance

if torps can deal 8k crits with wnt + attacker bonus just imagine how hard it hits without any dmg reduction

[light crystal]

@elder crane Wut accelerator r u using on ur Seattle

[slender atlas]

These torp team so crazy. The torpeido just go straight and destroy anything.

Took me 3 time to beat though. Shinano drop to 10% for the first 5 second. Lol

[trail temple]

Welcome 👏 to 👏 torp ♋

[candid sluice]

Teatorps

[elder crane]

Trying out the 25 mm gear lab one

[elder crane]

You'll defs want to invest in Manjuu lead Juneau to save vanguard
But ye still doesn't save your main fleet... :PortDoll:

Torpmemes would still be okay if attacker torpmemes didn't have a massive torp range disadvantage

Make torps just infinite range so that the mirror isn't just 50/50
Or like maybe it's actually attacker disadvantaged, idk

[worldly cape]

I can see this shit happening:

Juneau is overused in PvP
Manjuu releases a new aux that's mutually exclusive with WNT but it nullifies all heals for both sides

[midnight heron]

sure bruh make heals weaker and torpmemes more op

[ebon kraken]

[ripe latch]

they make triple cv more op

[candid sluice]

[stoic vector]

Is North Carolina usable or nah

[stoic vector]

nvm going to say to myself “check pins”

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[candid sluice]

Usable? Sure, good? Noo

[worldly cape]

So for Juenau aux, double boiler or boiler + bulge?

[sacred heath]

manjuu + pearl

[light crystal]

You're also trying out the Yamato AA gun huh

It does have really good reload

And at 15 gold circuits, it's perfectly affordable right now.

[worldly cape]

I guess you are far away in UR BPs for a 2nd Wyvern?

[elder crane]

7/9 still but I'm keeping 40 in bank so

Any pt I can make another wyvern

[crude mortar]

IS THIS LOST?

rumia sky asunder

bad omen

bette refresh

[sacred heath]

[candid sluice]

[glossy meteor]

gosh dang it guys
lost a pvp match with a enty
only cause at the last one mine didn't activate LuckyE while the enemy did
they had a sliver left too

like why

[distant token]

wait is that avrora JoJo?

[glossy meteor]

no Sandy why

[distant token]

just wondering

[glossy meteor]

ah ok

[radiant brook]

Finally

[somber axle]

Grats

[delicate owl]

gz!

[sour oasis]

Wasn't that bad was it?

[radiant brook]

Yeah

[sour oasis]

Just took time to level enough ships to deal with all the flex. PvP AotN is pretty much end-game level of preparation.

[candid sluice]

[zenith tundra]

is azuma mg best choice for +13 gun in nagato shinano hiryuu azuma juneau and 1 of seattle/noshiro/yukikaze?

[sour oasis]

I gambled that it was, simply on the survival of Azuma vs Noshiro and Yukikaze. Seattle in there as a choice is interesting. But would you need to +13 her secondary gun versus Azuma whose 2nd gun is slightly less important.

[candid sluice]

I would say azuma gun ye unless u using 457 nugget or smth

Second set yuki is lowest prio

[zenith tundra]

i use twin 406. might try triple 305 too on naagato

[light crystal]

If I had the plates, I would +13 the Seattlegun Seattle is using.

[candid sluice]

Yea 406 isn’t worth +13ing

At least not a high prio

[crude mortar]

FILTHY COLLUSIONIST

[mint hornet]

[leaden sky]

[candid sluice]

This is collusion lane after all

[radiant brook]

Beat saber

[radiant brook]

How did others got scores in the 2300? I lost twice and got a +9 and only 2263, so that makes me 2284 if I won every time

Does bonus really give that much?

[candid sluice]

Collusion lane

[unreal storm]

[sour oasis]

Over time, yes.
Again, the baseline perfect score is ~2500 at season's end (or 2300 by this post; day 13 set 2). If players have a feasible of +1 per set, that's 42 extra points (+38 at this point).
Keep in mind the extra bonuses the first few days gets balanced by 0-bonus sets later on in the season.

[zenith tundra]

bonuses before +10 base can give around +50-60 score over base score. rest is just +1 accumulation in the +10 portion of the season. it's easy to see how people can reach 2600 while base score is 2500

[radiant brook]

Shit guess I have to rush AoTN every time instead

[sour oasis]

While bonuses before day 5 are easier and bigger, the average over 42 sets is closer to 1 or 2. A consistent 2.4 a day is 2600, but I find consistency difficult (not mentioning the bigger bonuses earlier on) so I like going by average.

[elder crane]

Also do note that early bonuses are inflated

Roughly speaking a +3 at 18 base is only as good as a +2 at 12 base, for example

[zenith tundra]

i know that they are inflated. 50-60 is effective advantage once you pass 1050

[elder crane]

Ye, I mean in raw bonuses it's more like 100+ but it's not actually that high by post-admiral effect

In case someone gets confused by that and thinks 60 too low

[sour oasis]

~60% of bonuses are got in the first five days. Then it's a slow 10 day taper as you get those sets with no-bonuses.

[ashen lion]

I only get 20 points which should get 30 points.

[zenith tundra]

did you lose?

[rocky shadow]

Is this you @hot creek ?

[ashen lion]

Yeah i lose

2 win = 20 an 1 lose = 9
and lost 9 points, only got 20 point :CleveStare:

[candid sluice]

U don’t get points if u lose

[ashen lion]

Oh, i see

[distant token]

[hot creek]

ye

[rocky shadow]

Your fleet so difficult to beat

Im guess wyren + gold rudder?

[timid current]

i mean it looks like he probably just has his pvp gear +13d with the fleet power

[hot creek]

two wyverns +13 and +11, mic/rudder on each cv

[mint hornet]

rudder

[lethal lark]

For the occasional BB fleet

[candid sluice]

Rudder on CVs in 2021

[trail temple]

inb4

[radiant brook]

Full cancer oath just screams "I only see my waifus as ships to battle and not as actual ppl"

Cmv

[ebon kraken]

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

Imagine not oathing for stats. Yup, couldn't be me.

[candid sluice]

My waifu happens to be shinano hiryuu shoukaku juneau yukikaze azuma

[light crystal]

Just allow the meta ships to become waifu, then u can ||kid urself|| that u initially oathed them cuz they were waifu to begin with

[delicate owl]

https://gph.is/g/ajMwDKn

they're all waifus so they're oath-worthy (including hiryuu)

[ripe latch]

oath juneau

[candid sluice]

Skk setting defense fleet in 2020

[hot creek]

just spread the love to both your waifus and your pvp waifus, its not that hard

[sour oasis]

I feel so bad for her, I kinda do want to. (I think this is why Spence was my first 100 affinity ship.)

[timid current]

juneau actually the safest pvp oath bc she will ALWAYS be relevant in any fleet bc you generally swap up the other 2 and leave juneau

unless disgusting torp memes

[trail temple]

Spread the love ay?

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

Oathed juneau takes too long to sink

[trail temple]

Don't forget about manjuu Helena being the tankiest CL ever

[ripe latch]

manju helena as like evergiven ship without speed and survivability

[trail temple]

It has survivability, for 8 seconds

[candid sluice]

[dull token]

Nice

[rustic ridge]

Is hiryu meta relevant for pvp?

[leaden sky]

Comparing to current meta ships, she just felt out of place. We have higher dps like shin, and survivability like OG hiryuu,while she doesnt really provide anything special apart from barrages

Unless they gonna release another META ship that actually broken who buffs META faction, which highly unlikely imo

[elder crane]

She takes Hiryuu base, which is mediocre, and removes every reason to use her
Not IJN for Nano, doesn't get buffed by Nano or Nagato, no final counter
:PortDoll:

[rustic ridge]

got you, thx

[light crystal]

She has high AVI and high TB Eff. Main issue like u said tho is no Final Counter and doesn't get buffed by Shinano/Nagato.

[elder crane]

TB eff doesn't even affect crash dmg smh

[light crystal]

mUh CHRasH DaMaGe

[elder crane]

Ok mr "831 cuda cause fuck bombs, more crash"

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

Think u got me confused with some1 else

[elder crane]

Tbf was a while ago now

[light crystal]

🤔

I didn't do it for crashing, I did it for higher alpha DMG on VG

Currently running 818 on Hiryuu and Cuda/Wyvern on Shinano btw

[candid sluice]

[distant token]

avrora with the most dead reset

[crude mortar]

dead game

[light crystal]

Y u even go 4/10 before a refresh anyway

And Torp meme + USN CV BL

[crude mortar]

aotn

if torp hit

1 of their vg dead and 50% hp back line

first air strike their backline dead and their vg dead then let the dice to the job

even if they reset thats 40s+

https://tenor.com/view/nakiri-ayame-hololive-smug-hypnotize-charm-gif-17308034

[radiant brook]

Avrora EOS score, not bad I suppose

[crude mortar]

is not even eos yet

oh

yours?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[distant token]

2514

[stable dawn]

[radiant brook]

Yes

[crude mortar]

amen

[radiant brook]

At least I can get AotN if I didn't get it back at Friday server time

I just burn all the remaining exercises at final reset so I could get a few runs of 100 merit in

[light crystal]

@crude mortar The issue of using torp meme without Nagato is no Reload and Hit buffs tho, specially that Hit buff 🤔

[crude mortar]

what hitbuff

https://tenor.com/view/nakiri-ayame-hololive-ojou-ayame-ojou-yo-dayo-gif-19961161

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[elder crane]

Nagato-boosted Nano and Hiryuu do more airstrike dmg though...

[radiant brook]

And the black torp enhanced teatorps guarantees killing one of your ships

Missed the vanguard? The magnet will lead to your backline and kill one of them at the very least

Seeing a 6k crit from just one torp even with wnt activated is just yikes

[crude mortar]

rolling dice

[elder crane]

ye a properly geared torpteam is still the main terror
ran into one as I was finding ppl to test vs
instantly ded Nagato and -90% on Nano
still won since they didn't too too much vs vanguard tho and pushed that through, but if Nano actually got sniped it would have been a loss

[distant token]

with resetting there's no dice rolling

[candid sluice]

One more day to eos and ladder is already dead

[crude mortar]

there is dice rolling if you go for eos

and defend fleet doesn't matter if you not

[sour oasis]

Don't go for EoS. It's a deep, dark, dank rabbit hole.

You pore over equipment, collude with strangers, and just get disappointed that not enough people are playing to give you bonuses.

But. Hey, if you're already there, might as well join the club.

[candid sluice]

It takes minimal effort to eos on my server so why not

Flex on the pve tryhards

[covert swallow]

what's eos?

oh, end of season I assume?

[sour oasis]

Basically try to be in the top 100 an hour or so before the next season starts.

[covert swallow]

ohh

well that should be pretty easy for me

but I'm on easiest server

[crude mortar]

100 or 10

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-please-no-i-dont-wanna-gif-18254676

[candid sluice]

Top 10 is eos

100 for documentation purposes

[distant token]

hey we're not strangers

[light crystal]

Imagine not being Top 5 EoS all the time

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

When your ladder consists of Famine, CZ, Rumia, Wife, Falulu, Saber (sometimes) and Caylm, I am just small boi compared to them

[covert swallow]

my server doesn't even have VH plating for azuma

[timid current]

vh plate will just make airstrikes kill her faster

[covert swallow]

do people not run vh on her in pvp then?

[timid current]

no

[covert swallow]

ah ok

[timid current]

use rudder and kicks/boiler/gyroscope

[sour oasis]

MORE BOILERS

[timid current]

lol

[alpine summit]

we dont collude in avrora, we just move at convenient times

[sour oasis]

Never enough speeeeeed

[alpine summit]

[covert swallow]

I think this is the only dev30 azuma i see in amagi, at least in def fleets

[mint hornet]

[covert swallow]

his fleet scared me at first because dev30 azuma+fdg, but it's surprisingly easy to beat

[distant token]

bruh wtf

[covert swallow]

[distant token]

even i dont have dev 30 azuma

[ripe latch]

[radiant brook]

No hiryuu = easy team