pvp

[midnight heron]

have to disagree only cuz was still a nub back then and barely anyone had coins to buy them boxes unless u hardcore farm

[abstract cypress]

i was farmin hardcore back then

guess what, i got shitty pixels instead of those

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-neptune-nodding-smile-gif-14555809

[radiant brook]

[sour oasis]

One downside to Fakkyu shells is that if the enemy uses them they become nʎʞʞɐℲ

[blazing crescent]

Fuel or steam catapult?

[timid current]

for pvp? absolutely the av gas

[blazing crescent]

Gas = the purple barrel aux?

And Ryuusei in fighter slot okay too?

I thought maybe aviation fuel aux is bad because faster planes means less shooting down enemy planes. There's also the aviation tank which just increases plane HP but not speed

[timid current]

the aviation fuel you are using is correct

the purpose is to make it less likely for your planes to get shot down

bc you want end of screen crash damage

[blazing crescent]

Ah I see, I heard Wyvern deals a lot of crash damage

[timid current]

ryuusei will generally whiff and 2 parallel torps is better

or you can just do whatever

shinano mega damage either way

[blazing crescent]

So better equip the XBT2D torp bomber in fighter slot?

[timid current]

no, use cuda

[blazing crescent]

Or a 2nd Wyevern when I get one of course

[light crystal]

Besides crash dmg I've also heard that if planes lose a certain amount of dmg their torps do less dmg? I haven't confirmed that

[timid current]

they do less crash dmg not sure about torp dmg

[blazing crescent]

Cuda instead of skypirate? Your advice was helpful till now but I'm not so sure about that one

[timid current]

cuda is faster and 4 parallel torps will almost never hit in pvp anyways

[sacred heath]

cuda does more crash damage anyway

[timid current]

its way better in pve

that too

[blazing crescent]

Oh okay I see sorry & thank you.

Pvp gear never fails to surprise me

[timid current]

yeah its def meant to use different gear so if you +13 pvp gear its not usually that good in pve haha

[timid current]

oh yeah btw when you get 2nd wyvern put it on hiryuu and NOT shinano 2nd slot, hiryuu main slot has higher efficiency, or just keep ryuusei on hiryuu bc the final counter solo carries work well with that

[blazing crescent]

Hm i think I'll pick the latter option and slam 2 Wyvern on Shinano and leave the Ryuusei for Hyriuu

[timid current]

only do that if your hiryuu is consistently last alive and needs more damage at the end

[sour oasis]

Common defenses are always changing, or trying new things. That's why meta has two meanings.

[candid sluice]

There’s a lot of difference between pvp and pve equips

We used to be running rudder on our back lines ffs

[elder crane]

Naw
Might seem that way tho since ships who do more AA dmg usually have more AA = more air resist = lower CV bomb/torp dmg

Rudder main is also good in PvE when enemies hard AP shell main fleet
Good on flag in some events and in op si vs BB abyss boss on auto (on manual you should just save burst dmg to cancel the chargeup)

[light crystal]

🤔

[distant token]

wait you're not all using washing machine on backline?

[sacred heath]

not anymore

mic is the new hotness

[candid sluice]

I’m not using eugen either

[distant token]

im not doing eugen challenge this season

want to see how far i can get without losing 4

[candid sluice]

U should

[distant token]

:kekw

[candid sluice]

[distant token]

53rd with eugen and 4 losses

What are everyone's scores?

[candid sluice]

Not good

67something 5/10

[sacred heath]

668 5/10, dropped one due to time change

o wale

no one was moving the first couple days, either

[elder crane]

CV meta after all
Stealthed CV doesn't need rudder and rudder does nothing vs crash dmg

[distant token]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

also what does the nimi ping mean

[elder crane]

@blazing crescent
If you have Wyvern on Nano and Hiryuu does any significant amt of dmg to main, something is really fishy
When Nano does her 40k+, not much left for Hiryuu to do...

[sour oasis]

@elder crane was it you who said stealth bar doesn't increase (revealed CV doesn't re-hide) in PvP?

I finally found another defender who used a 3x BB (Boat) who also had a tanky vanguard. Not the best captures, but Hiryu decreases from (!) back down. Some close-ups of Enty show when left alone, stealth does recover... But it takes so long to drop by any visible amount, it almost immediately disappears again via the following launch.

Here's Hiryu creeping a little down. (Right before she's about to relaunch)

And Enterprise (note Shinano just launched and went back to !-level, Enterprise would launch next)

[shy hazel]

i heard there is this discord group called azurlane meta

which is about pvp meta

but they cant even top 1 so why call it meta

[crude mortar]

[sour oasis]

#off-topic

[shy hazel]

its about pvp what

unless u saying their discord is for memes

[candid sluice]

I’ve never seen my carriers dip back to hidden status

[sour oasis]

Discord.. Isn't for memes?!

[sour oasis]

You're being too optimized

And they dip for like a second before they launch (or get set on fire) so it's not a long re-stealth.

[candid sluice]

Might be that it takes too long for carriers to be re-hidden so it’s not noticeable in exer matches

Even when richy sets my carriers on fire the bar never goes down

[sour oasis]

I agree with that. But I do notice it in mine from time to time when it's stupid like 3 CV vs 3 BB

[crude mortar]

they use 3 bb

use 3cv

kill their vg

and become john cena

their bb just afk til the game end

[radiant brook]

Extra points if it's enty

Reveals upon Lucky E proc and see the BB fail to hit enty

[sour oasis]

Actually, barrage BB might still light your CV up (before they die from crash damage)

[radiant brook]

Only if it's richy

Probably the only unaimed HE barrage

[upper cove]

this has nothing to do with what ships you use tbf

[radiant brook]

Or ALM can't be arsed to lose sleep for EOS t1

[upper cove]

that's not an "or"

that's just entirely it

although last I checked he doesn't have the greatest concept on true sandbagging

[sour oasis]

I still don't like that term.

[upper cove]

what's wrong with the term sandbagging

[sour oasis]

It is not very nuanced.

But I also have issue with proc, so I know I have issues.

[upper cove]

I mean sure it doesn't exactly intuitively say what we mean when we use it but I'm sure it didn't start in this game to begin with

so with that in mind and considering how long it's been used there's just not reason to even pick at it

[sour oasis]

I'm curious to what game it did start with, or even appeared previously in.

[upper cove]

wait it's actually a term

with a definition that actually means what we mean

[sour oasis]

As an acting term, it is used to mean maliciously sabotaging production

[upper cove]

no it's got another definition

[shy hazel]

sandbagging is an old age term here

[upper cove]

deliberately underperform in a race or competition to gain an unfair advantage.

that's about what we mean when we say sandbag

[shy hazel]

and to block the flood of weak ppl from ranking up

[sour oasis]

I suppose getting bonus points is "unfair"

[shy hazel]

ppl has always complained on al pvp works

but they never bothered to rework it

rather than rework it

mods here ban the ppl who complain instead

[sour oasis]

But it's so commonplace, it feels like that's the whole system

[upper cove]

that has nothing to do with the devs

the devs just ignore pvp's existence

[shy hazel]

[upper cove]

they couldn't care less about the complaints

[shy hazel]

this is why al is dying

[sour oasis]

[upper cove]

it's kinda stable

I imagine in the other regions there's not many problems

the game needs a serious rework on early game content for newer players tho

[sour oasis]

Well, games die when a newer game comes along. One that gives more free stuff to undercut the competition.

[shy hazel]

al is still the cheapest gacha available

the gameplay is just stale if youve stayed long enuf

[sour oasis]

Only if people know it exists

[upper cove]

it's definitely one of the most known gachas tbh

[shy hazel]

just make it full autolane

[sour oasis]

And gameplay is always stale. It's not like there's a minigames mashup inside.

[upper cove]

we need skip tickets

Kapp

[sour oasis]

Genetos is an old free vertical shooter.
Your ship changes from Space Invaders to Centipede to Galaga to Touhou, and the mechanics of the game changes accordingly (you get to combo, use bombs, get graze bonus etc)
But that was the core design of the game.

AL is too 🍝 to change too much

[shy hazel]

operation siren wasnt that diff from normal gameplay

they shouldve put another form of gameplay

or at least a better pvp

can learn from games with superior pvp like priconne

[sour oasis]

they should make a new game that isn't on PS4

[shy hazel]

aa that garbage called crosswave

[sour oasis]

But how many people are going to play PriConn?

Old games always lose people. Even Pokémon has to make new games.

PvP needs a reward rework at the most

[radiant brook]

Not to mention Game Freak (Pokémon devs) are trying to pander to the Gen 1 fans and killing the franchise

Blame Gen 5 haters

[upper cove]

pricon is hella popular

albeit it's just kinda stable in other regions now

cause ya it's old

[radiant brook]

Abandon ship, fellow commanders

[upper cove]

also pricon pvp being better than AL is not saying anything

I think it's better but I still don't think it's even that good

[light crystal]

An EoS scoreboard that shows the results of last season, and perhaps some rewards other than Merits for Top X people would be great

[upper cove]

I mean AL would benefit greatly from pricon ranking system

where seasons are something like a year long and it's just a long running ranking contest

[sour oasis]

But they'd have to tear the guts out of what they have now maintenance roulette timer

[upper cove]

nah

it would be even easier to code

like vastly easier

[radiant brook]

Just have the community code for them

[sour oasis]

Twitch codes Pokémon

[upper cove]

in priconne at least
you get 5 entries a day, no more
you can't hold anymore than 5 and you refresh 5 at reset
when fighting someone, if you win, you take their rank (switching spots), if you lose, you stay
there's still defense fleets like before, which is what you fight

there's first time rewards for hitting certain ranks, and then there's daily rewards for being at a certain rank at some point in the day (not sure what the cutoff is), which is sent in the mail

[timid current]

bruh if i couldnt reset id be rank 10000 every season tho

[upper cove]

the "merit" in priconne is generated over time based on rank
the higher your rank, the higher the regen rate

oh also priconne has infinite resets, but you can only get people within a certain range above you

[timid current]

oh so you can still keep resetting the fight like al?

[upper cove]

oh resetting the fight? no
but you can reset the list

[timid current]

rip

[upper cove]

not that the AL devs will do anything let's be real

[candid sluice]

Need more motivation to do exers than just bulins and flex

Skins to merit shop when

[timid current]

if only i even needed the bulins...

i actually just do pvp for no reason

[candid sluice]

I need coins more than bulins tbh

For mlb and awakening

[timid current]

that would be absolutely amazing if you could exchange it for coins

[candid sluice]

Can’t be bothered to run 2-1 all day

[upper cove]

if you gave me all of that merit I would be buying a gold and purple bulin daily until that merit runs out probably

[timid current]

but for what purpose? i have like 90% of my ships at mlb anyways

the others arent worth the coins

[upper cove]

so I could mlb things

what else

[candid sluice]

And I always use my coins to spam research so I never have enough to mob and awakening

[timid current]

get 1k docks space and fill 500 with bulins

[candid sluice]

10k for mlb sr

Need more sources for coins

[sour oasis]

selling my spare chips drills books when

[timid current]

player economy when

[candid sluice]

A server wide market

[radiant brook]

Should a backline of have as flag?

[candid sluice]

Doesn’t rly matter

[light crystal]

WK in 2021.

[candid sluice]

Shinano has barrage

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

Only with Percy

[light crystal]

Percy is essentially dead weight

[candid sluice]

Not rly dmg to vanguard respectable

Esp with wyvern

[light crystal]

Maybe Wyvern Percy

But that's pretty 5head

[candid sluice]

I used Percy warkai on my eos rush last season and they worked fine

That was before I got wyvern btw

[radiant brook]

I just use it to kill amagi early

Medium armour can't survive +13 champy gun

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-smile-close-up-gif-14370781

[radiant brook]

And she is tanky enough to force final counter at 2nd round of salvos

[candid sluice]

But when enemy cvs launch backline melts

[trail temple]

If you're gonna aim for amagi, then you want Warkai where she's the furtherest away from amagi

[candid sluice]

I just used those two to proc hiryuu quicker

Cba to wait 15 secs every match

[radiant brook]

Well yes but because the enemy always run nugget/shinano/amagi, warspite will always aim at her

[candid sluice]

Wyvern Percy with warkai is speedrun win against non hiryuu teams

Amagi teams are free wins anyways

I dont even bother using warkai for those anymore

[radiant brook]

True, and using warspite against hiryuu might able her to kill Nagato early

So when the 2nd salvo is ready she can aim at hiryuu and force final counter

By then enty will usually launch and proc Lucky E

[candid sluice]

But shelling is so goddamn inconsistent nowadays

First round always hits intended target but second and third are wild

Most likely splash water attempting to hit vanguard

But DM+ with +13 champgun hpfcr usually deletes anything with one round anyways

[radiant brook]

Crash dmg will just finish Nagato off anyways

As long as first 3 rounds hit her

[candid sluice]

Nagato does regardless of crash lol

Warkai is nagato deleter

[radiant brook]

Conceal ironically makes it easier to nail her

[trail temple]

Glad the Amagis are built too offensively

[candid sluice]

No rudder on backline

[radiant brook]

No rudder on hiryuu makes it easier to force counter when they are inevitably revealed after strikes from your CVs

[unreal storm]

rudder or catapult

[trail temple]

Neither and join team mic

[candid sluice]

You don’t want either tbh

[timid current]

yeah you actually want to unequip your aux gear

[candid sluice]

[timid current]

sry i had to

[trail temple]

No gear meta

[timid current]

its to make use of the hidden mechanic

[shy hazel]

let me steal that gif buki

[trail temple]

Go for it

[blazing crescent]

I'm not sure what you mean by that.. My Shinano is there to deal damage and Hyriuu is meant to survive

[radiant brook]

Don't upgrade red mic if you value your ears and sanity

[unreal storm]

i took a break during the mic event

[abstract cypress]

good, dont use micc

[trail temple]

DoA key

[light crystal]

I foresee a new meta: Shinano/SKK/Mark, 5 Wyverns.

[candid sluice]

Why mark

[radiant brook]

Regular ark/formidable works fine too

[candid sluice]

[thin cosmos]

after some test, I ended with hiryuu wyvern

main reason is to save more from AA

1 by 1 launching of wyvern is so disappointing for me

[leaden sky]

Just get more wyverns to put on everyone

[candid sluice]

Come back in a year

[radiant brook]

Inb4 CN has 5 wyverns by now

[frail orbit]

Not even

[upper cove]

Ya you would need a level of lucksaccing that's just not reasonable for any region

A super lucksacc could have 3 wyverns by now, regardless of region

5?

[midnight heron]

i wanna know who dat super luccsacc cud be

so i can him

[elder crane]

That doesn't even make sense since they need to creep down to half to restealth

She never got spotted in the first place here

Unless same fight as the big screenshot, your two enty pics also shows no change?

[unreal storm]

who is SKK

[uncut agate]

Shoukaku

[candid sluice]

Shoukaku

[distant token]

shikikan

[sour oasis]

Shoot. OK, then they can't re-hide, but the visibly meter does slowly move down (in an insignificant manner)
And yes, in the case of Enty, she was never spotted ( moved over half)

[dull hollow]

kek

fianlly found a 2x britbong torp + black aux user

junuea died to the opening strikes

flagship crit to 20% hp

thought it would be a wash

somehow won the CV exchange

my torps oneshot their nagato

and then i won the rest coz azuma took no strike damage

mysterious rng

[elder crane]

Ye that's the problem w torpmemes
If you don't hit them hard enough, your vanguard is pretty gimped, sooo

[distant token]

just reset

[sinful pewter]

[sour oasis]

A story in 2 minutes.

The smart play would have been to retry at -1:30, but Yukikaze shennanigans potential.

[uncut agate]

[sour oasis]

Gosh darn is that cat/dog/oni/chuunibiyou hard to kill

[light crystal]

Equip yo bitches better and Oath their asses for optimal RNG favor

🙏

[timid current]

oath them and then use 30k oil to get them to 200

[light crystal]

I went through the trouble of Oathing and 200'ing a second Noshiro so I could run optimal torp meme Defense, cuz I use Noshiro for PvE stuff as well

I suppose if they ever give u the option to straight up save presets for PvP battles or something that would've been for moot, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

[silent ocean]

just means u can run two nagatos/noshiros/shinanos etc in opsi

[sacred heath]

opsi doesn't let you use dupes, even in different fleets

[silent ocean]

ah they fixed that? could do it in story or was it hard mode eh guess could use in events till low morale and switch

[light crystal]

U can now run both Mark and Ark, which are pretty similar

Imma say this first, I love Miryuu, but Mark I think is better, overall. More utility and probably hits harder too. Also, could see some viability for her on the arena

I wonder how Menty will turn out, if they take the Assault Carrier approach, like, drecrease damage but increase proc, they could do the same for Menty's LE version

Like, 1.5x damage, but 80-90% proc rate, but still 8s immunity. Would be nutty on PvP if so

I could see it: Running Menty/Mark/SKK backline

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

inb4 triple BB makes a return for pepega reasons

[elder crane]

Wait Mark has utility?

Well I guess not like Miryuu has literally any utility tho lol

But ye Ark loadout is really good and HMS has no relevant synergies anyways

So fairly ez to slap some decent skills on her and she's great

[elder crane]

50/50 for +100% dmg and barrage or 20 s immunity

[radiant brook]

Menty

Men-ty?

[light crystal]

Nah, I rather take a more consistent proc in exchange for less DPS as tradeoff. Either way, for ultimate viability in the arena, still needs 8s Immunity.

Something tells me next Meta will be Makao, to put in a break between 3 CV's in a row, so might wait a while on Menty tho

[sour oasis]

Pay my F2P ass with a ring.
(Better yet, help me install Google Play services. I, uh, accidentally ripped mine out.)

[light crystal]

I think like 6/10th of the money I've spent on the game has been on rings-only, approaching 100 by now 🤔

[radiant brook]

Filthy meta slave

You could have use those money for l2d skins

[timid current]

all my money went to dockspace and a few skins that i really like

[candid sluice]

U do what u gotta do for waifus

[thin cosmos]

me also spent most at ring + dock

40 oath+550dock+3skin bought

[trail temple]

rings are nice

only rings I will be giving in my life

[sour oasis]

I don't have Google services on a non-work phone, so no temptations for me ||||

I would spend gems on dorm slots, just for kicks.

[candid sluice]

I have to use emulator whenever I wanna swipe the card

iOS can’t sync up with other payment methods

[light crystal]

Funnily enough, I prioritize Ringing any lass that has some PvP potential

🙏

[candid sluice]

Did u oath juneau

[timid current]

juneaus got more than just some potential

[sour oasis]

Is that still true with iOS 11? stupid apples

[candid sluice]

As far as I can tell ye

[grizzled hemlock]

what aux gear is best for FNFF Louis?

[candid sluice]

Rudder beaver or rudder dress if u have beaver on someone else

[uncut agate]

I go rudder + heels, badge on backline

[shy hazel]

[sour oasis]

Pearl

[trail temple]

Scrapped Louis

[near oyster]

Hey I was wondering if I post what ships I have could someone let me know what my best combination would be for PvP attacking and defending? Also don't know much about items I just attach golden stuff

[radiant brook]

Get Nagato before you consider a defense fleet

[near oyster]

I have her

I have a lot actually just don't really know what good or how to use 😅

[radiant brook]

Guess you are set, just mimic the usual IJN PvP defense fleet you see everywhere

But ask the experts here for gears

[near oyster]

Oh ok I'm not really sure what that is but I'll search it

If interested here is what I have http://imgur.com/gallery/IPo2hey

[uncut agate]

Do you have shinano and juneau? I'm not sure if I missed them in the album

[timid current]

@near oyster I would suggest leveling nagato and juneau

[near oyster]

No Shinano

[timid current]

use hiryuu/nagato/enterprise

[uncut agate]

I see

Juneau/Yuki/Suzutsuki is great for vanguard

[timid current]

put 100/150 aviation fuel from core shop on both CVs along with the microphone gears

[near oyster]

Is this for attacking our defence?

[timid current]

attack

you can use warspite situationally in attack

[mint hornet]

Your defense fleet has no impact on your own pvp position

You can put whatever you want

[timid current]

barracuda or wyvern(if you have one yet) on enterprise, ryuusei on hiryuu

do you have the manjuu aux gear?

[near oyster]

It's there anyway to see all gear? Cuz if I'm not mistaken the depot only shows unequipped gear right

[timid current]

button on bottom left shows equipped

[near oyster]

Ooo awesome

I don't think I have

[near oyster]

Let me make a quick gallery

Oh I have 1

[timid current]

it goes on juneau and she should be front ship

[near oyster]

http://imgur.com/gallery/O93mf1s

[timid current]

manjuu on juneau, pearls tears on anyone but juneau, beaver squad on nagato or someone else frontline, you have no mics so use aviation fuel and steam catapult or beacons on the CVs, high performance steering or other defensive items to remaining frontline slots

[near oyster]

AWESOME THANK YOU SO MUCH

[timid current]

@near oyster also ditch the btd-1s and use purple helldivers

[near oyster]

Who was my other vanguard Juneau yuki ...

Ok

[timid current]

did you make those BTDs from the gear lab?

[near oyster]

Not sure is gear lab crafting?

[near oyster]

I've never been there😅 is it new lol

[timid current]

newish with operation siren

[near oyster]

Just reinstalled and not really sure what happening lol

[timid current]

i dont know of any good material to share for opsi guides but im sure you can find one on youtube

but basically it gives you a lot of new resources to craft new upgraded gear, but only some are good

[near oyster]

I'm sure I would have to do operation seirin to get materials

[candid sluice]

U definitely want to start playing operation siren asap

New equipment, +13 upgrades, etc

[near oyster]

Will do

[timid current]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

this will help you get an idea of the good gear lab stuff when you click on a ship

[near oyster]

Siren> campaign?

[timid current]

yes

[candid sluice]

If you’re leveled ye

[near oyster]

Ok again thanks so much 😄

[candid sluice]

You definitely want to get your hands on a wyvern asap

[near oyster]

My Guild members don't really wanna explain everything

Alrighty

[timid current]

so yeah

[candid sluice]

If u ever need more help just ask

[timid current]

yep

[near oyster]

Will do 😄

This helped alot

[candid sluice]

Good luck on your grind

I had pretty garbage luck so hopefully u can do better

[near oyster]

That it will be

I just played just to play but now I'll get into it

[timid current]

AL meta game is fun, especially in pvp, considering the actual gameplay has gotten bland

[near oyster]

So my Guild is my group of friends and you get to be guild leader if you beat the current leader in PvP so it's super fun and competitive that way

So maybe now with all the help I'll have a chance once I start level things up

[timid current]

interesting, but yes you will need those ships leveled

dont forget to get juneaus skill to 10 btw

[near oyster]

Yea that's probably gonna thanks the longest

[timid current]

youll get there eventually, gl

[abstract cypress]

fUN

[timid current]

[candid sluice]

Better than campaign to be fair

Not full autolane all the time

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-manticore-gif-18528107

[timid current]

dw i told him ahaha

[timid current]

beautiful.

[abstract cypress]

everyone use the same shit = fun

[timid current]

well at least we got an interesting mix up int he last few months

[abstract cypress]

in a year we only got like noshiro>naganami>shinano

and all ijn bs

[crude mortar]

welcome to azur lane pvp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/722667960870895676.gif?v=1

[timid current]

[uncut agate]

i'm using the french and usn ships

[timid current]

3 457s?

[abstract cypress]

#anti-ijnbsteam

[candid sluice]

Much more entertaining than campaign and auto runs 24/7

[abstract cypress]

im usin uss/kms

[candid sluice]

I’m anti nagato

That dumb ship can go in the bin

[timid current]

anti nagato = anti ijn

she IS the ijn

[candid sluice]

I like some other ijn ships tho

Just hate nagato in particular

[abstract cypress]

u use nagato with mic for hit
both can go to the bin

[candid sluice]

Loli flagship that gives strongest buffs to strongest factions belongs in the trash

[timid current]

ah so its bc shes too op for you hehe

so does that mean youre a baguette or eagle man?

[candid sluice]

And she’s a loli flagship

Like come on

[abstract cypress]

dude dont diss the loli part
cuz its the only part i like from her

[timid current]

yikes

[candid sluice]

And a bs barrage that can give u the shaft whenever possible

[crude mortar]

ohno

[candid sluice]

Busted buffs that make strongest faction even stronger + bullshit barrage + loli = belongs in the trash

[crude mortar]

poor soul dying to nagato barrage

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-manticore-gif-18528107

[timid current]

my nagato barrage just gets evaded by every ship anyways

[crude mortar]

my fleet just eat full barrage as if it does nothing

losing like 20% hp or something

[candid sluice]

Gotta love being hit with a “40%” barrage all the time

[abstract cypress]

meanwhile enty 70% like 0%

[timid current]

"why is their 40% higher than my 40%"

[abstract cypress]

[crude mortar]

nagato didn't kill you with barrage

[candid sluice]

Enty never procs

[crude mortar]

the fire is

equip this shit

and nagato deal baby damage

[candid sluice]

Already have that

[timid current]

on it chief

[crude mortar]

why you run gear like that

if your fleet too slow

then you die to salvo anyway

[timid current]

beaver+boiler+kicks

[abstract cypress]

MArk might be a great addition for triple CV

just need to wait for wyverns

[timid current]

5 wyverns to kit that

[radiant brook]

And that's why I use warspite against Nagato

Tanky enough to eat a B7S and conceal makes her barrage aim at Nagato

[light crystal]

wdym on anyone but Juneau. Is ur Juneau dying too quick or something? I put her on front, and she lives long enough to make the 35% Heal worth it

[candid sluice]

Tears juneau is fine now yea esp with manjuu aux

[light crystal]

Attec

Protec

[candid sluice]

Sexybofors in second slot? Why’s that

[light crystal]

The highest Eff tool, IJN bofor on 65% slot, duh

[upper cove]

I think he just got them backwards

[candid sluice]

Yea it’s flipped in the image

[timid current]

i wasnt trying to say its invalid, it does work very well
its just he has to use enty and when i use enty i found that my juneau was dying before enty had lost enough hp for it to be useful (due to lucky e proc)

when i use shinano yeah i have both on juneau too haha

[light crystal]

[timid current]

i probably could have mentioned that but, you know, typing sucks

[crude mortar]

fk ya and all ur plane

[candid sluice]

76 circuits flushed down the toilet

[candid sluice]

Isn’t that an accelerator

[crude mortar]

https://media1.tenor.co/images/2739d25a7f21fab2f07ef7596997624a/tenor.gif?itemid=20555643&fbclid=IwAR3UmEauE6MtfBH9pXSxKqRsK6bLFrq48fg9Kb-tx2UySr0C23XvWJUHx3s

filtherinmg

80-90% of the plane

during airstrike

*filtering

only 2 of them pass with red health

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-manticore-gif-18528107

filtering 100% of the plane before air strike

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

I also wanted to make the Des Moines AA gun, but it was so pricey, that I settled for the cheap IJN Bofor lol

The difference was a bit too marginal to justify the Circuits

[crude mortar]

you shoot the plane for 90% of their health

you need to shoot twice

you shoot 100% of their health

you shoot once

if your fleet cant do 2500 damage per aa shot

then there is no reason to use that

also range

[light crystal]

That's some levels try harding at AA I myself did not consider

https://tenor.com/view/tripping-falling-acid-trip-trippy-gif-14715485

We're ascending to new heights of AA try harding kek

[midnight heron]

is it even possible to consistently destroy avga planes tho

[light crystal]

You greatly mitigate the damage ur Backline takes

But ur VG still gets smacked hard, I've found

[midnight heron]

thats given

[light crystal]

I've been trying to mitigate VG taking damage as much as possible, but it's hard

[midnight heron]

just wanna know how high aa has to even be to wipe them from the screen kek

[light crystal]

Oh, and I mean AVI dmg

Fucking Azuma, BB's, that's not a real issue

The threat levels to my VG are in this order: Planes > Surface Torps > Everything else

[crude mortar]

im using sandy

ijn vg cant do this

[light crystal]

I've been trying to figure out, if ur Airstrike is the first one to get out, perhaps u can soften the enemy planes a bit for ur own VG to finish off before they release their ordnance on ur VG

But in practice it seems hard

[midnight heron]

its almost impossible for offense

cuz again the battle lines are skewed against u

[crude mortar]

i use vf17 x3

with triple +13 gold hell driver

[midnight heron]

by the time ur aa circle reaches them they prob already launch ordnance

[crude mortar]

and my ship plane load out 3/3/2

maximum plane killing

[light crystal]

Yeah, sadly

[midnight heron]

triple +13 how ppl get so much plates

[crude mortar]

by playing the game?

[timid current]

by not using them on wyvern

[midnight heron]

i dont use on wyvern and i barely +12 2nd helldiver kek

[timid current]

[midnight heron]

thats a lot of farming

cba

[light crystal]

I reckon my VG is pretty good tho: Juneau, Seattle and Leipzig

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/inugami-korone-hololive-thinking-anime-confused-gif-17902545

[light crystal]

I wanna try Juneau, Cheshire and Seattle, and see how they do 🤔

[midnight heron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just need more +13 sex

[crude mortar]

X4 20mm cannon

[midnight heron]

just made my 1st sex

[crude mortar]

x9

thats 36 20mm cannon

during air strike

[midnight heron]

ik bruh

[crude mortar]

with 54 12.7mm cannon

your plane shall not pass

[light crystal]

The AA is there, I'm running 2 Sex Bofors +13, 2 STAAG, and one IJN Bofor

[midnight heron]

almost 3k

[crude mortar]

why seattle

[light crystal]

She's tankey and has great AA

Sandi too squish

[crude mortar]

[light crystal]

Ultimately, Sandi only has one AA slot too

Whereas two on Seattle, where u can min max it with AA Carry gun, and Accelerator gun

[candid sluice]

@light crystal is your Seattle fate 5?

[light crystal]

Ofc, if I have Azuma/FDG dev 30, not having the other shitters Dev 35 would be questionable

[candid sluice]

Does no fly zone+ proc at the start of the match?

[radiant brook]

Swimsuit fairy Seattle

[light crystal]

Yes

Well actually, hard to say if it does, u still get the notification saying it does, but I think that goes for all skills anyway, cuuz I see no Fly Zone proc'ing again later into the battle

[elder crane]

That's exactly what the + does

[candid sluice]

It still can proc after initial proc from what I can tell

[candid sluice]

Well since pvp doesn’t tell u air superiority i wasn’t 100% sure if it procced or not

[crude mortar]

how can you shot down 15 plane as seattle in pvp

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-manticore-gif-18528107

[trail temple]

@elder crane Would you by chance know how flooding behaves with Enty during Lucky E? Is it like burn where if she's been affected by the debuff she will continue to receive damage or does she receive no damage from flooding during that window?

[crude mortar]

she take dmg

but how are you gonna apply flood before lucky e

https://tenor.com/view/inugami-korone-hololive-thinking-anime-confused-gif-17902545

[upper cove]

Same as burning

[trail temple]

Ta

[silent ocean]

welp ran into someone with 3 hms black torps vanguard cant win complete aids

always 2/3 vanguard would die or 1/2 backline wheres the noshiro rerun or better yet someone to powercreep her and nul torps already

[radiant brook]

Yeah the only way to avoid it is to have your vanguard act like humans

But we all know they are always monke brained

[unreal storm]

did you put torp bulges on?

[silent ocean]

tried but didnt really help the end result just delayed it the best scenario i had was both vanguards killed each other right at the start

well minus the dead man walking jun

only one person thus far so just ended up refreshing but man was it rough lol hope there isnt more otherwise >.>

[radiant brook]

As soon as aurora noctis gets reran it's going to get worse

[unreal storm]

torp meme -> torp meta

[shy hazel]

skunk meme

[elder crane]

Ye I've already had to reset vs one once w standard comp, which hasn't been a thing in forever basically
Instant snipe on top corner Nano :NotLikeAtago:
Ended w like 2% HP Azuma and enemy Hiryuu on FC launching another strike, so didn't risk it

[candid sluice]

[timid current]

ive been playing this game for a very long time and i have effectively infinite cubes but yet somehow i missed the skunk
wasnt paying attention to the event end date so i forgot to pull for her hahaha

i guess its for the better since im not allowed to help propagate the torp memes

[shy hazel]

thats still okay

im too lazy to play before i gave away my account

i didnt even farm for the black torp

u need for the meme

[trail temple]

If you can't beat 'em, join -
Oh wait I can't even do that

[unreal storm]

who is the skunk is it yukikaze?

[uncut agate]

naganami

[timid current]

thinking yuki a skunk

[unreal storm]

[timid current]

there thats better

[sour oasis]

You can cut damage by 1/5 with just the naval treaty. Throw some debuffs (Amagi, Shinano Richey) and cut that by another 1/5. Bulge and Noshiro reduce it another 1/5. Use speedy vanguard and you can make the torpedoes do a 90°. And it's only the first wave that's bad. A high evasion and slow speed means the torpedoes can hit for no damage. Or just let the Manjuu take it.

I've had defender torpedo that did 4k-8k a hit get reduced to 2k-4k; still hurts, but much more survivable (even if there's 12).

[silent ocean]

well thats the funny thing he was running naval treaty so well regardless if i get him again ill continue to try and see what works just after 40 resets kinda disheartining considering attacker debuff/buff kinda did next to shit so though dont have the most optimal setup. Guess ill give it more time instead of getting irritated

[timid current]

i just refresh torp memes after 1 loss to save my sanity

got better things to do

[elder crane]

If it's me it's cause I'm running standard team offense, so Nagato is taking WNT

[sour oasis]

I'm going over the old Keropi point tracking charts, and while imprecise in several ways (the minimum gains are off and the bonuses are incorrect), they still fairly accurate.

The absolute minimum score (without positive or negative bonuses) is still 2500-ish with day 13 set-1 exercise-1 (or 181st overall ticket) where you cross the AotN threshold of 2200.

bag/3 rush (playing just three times a day, not losing, not taking any below-minimum fights, and assuming a single small bonus each log in), the end score is ~2550 with passing the AotN threshold at day 12 set 3 (exercise 1, or 176 overall; so with a little luck to get 10 extra bonuses (early in the season is easiest), players can sneak into AotN a set earlier; specifically set 2, the 175th overall exercise).

I plotted a bag/2 rush curve (the same as 3 rush, but you only play twice so only 2 small bonuses each day) and it ends with ~2530, AotN threshold being passed still on day 12, set 3 (but at exercise 3, 178th overall, so you would need way more luck to sneak into AotN a set earlier where there's less competition).

[light crystal]

@elder crane If this ever become a thing, do u think they would replace 533mk9's for torp meme?

I know you may mention the spread, but at the end of the day, Quint 610mm got the best alpha an dbe more fish in the water. Also, They got 60 range instead of 50 for 533mk9's.

[candid sluice]

Well if you miss 3/5 of your torps the higher alpha dmg doesn’t rly matter

The odds of hitting backline are fine but the dmg is more spread out whereas teatorps fire in a straight line so if it misses vang it has a high chance of nuking one backline and sinking them immediately

[light crystal]

Right now, quad 610mm have less alpha due to having less torps (860 vs 824). But Quint 610's would have at least 5x206, so 1030.

And the thing is, they would be faster and have longer range than either regular KMS Mag torps, or HMS 533mk9's magnetized by black dildo.

If u haven't noticed, 533mk9's take a while to reach the backline. 610mm, specially if there ever is quint derivatives, would reach the backline faster for sure, and have longer range, and cause much more massive damage

Honestly, if u think torp meme is bad right now, if we ever get quint 610mm's, it's GG's lul

[candid sluice]

Doesn’t blacktorp change it to acoustic mags

So the speed is the same for all torps

[light crystal]

Yabai

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

Does it? I thought they only made them home in

[candid sluice]

Pretty sure they do change speed

[light crystal]

🤔

[candid sluice]

Regular teatorps without blacktorp is pretty fast

3.5 compared to 2 of magtorps

[light crystal]

Maybe that's y I notice they're slow

[candid sluice]

Yeah there’s definitely a difference

My ibukis first round of teatorps (magnetized by blacktorp) are much slower than her second wave without

[light crystal]

But wait

[candid sluice]

U can probs test it right now

[light crystal]

That's strange tho

Cuz 533mk9's still keep their spread

If the black dildos made them fully magnetic, wouldn't that also change their spread?

[flint python]

Black dildo reduce speed by a bit but keeps spread

[light crystal]

Ok, so then the only main difference would be range

Cuz range is under Gear Property

[thin cosmos]

defense doesn't need range

also that IJN torp means just about 20 more dps

[light crystal]

I know because they spawn closer to BL than Attack does

It doesn't have to do anything with DPS

[thin cosmos]

I don't think it can be better than spread patern

[candid sluice]

Does blacktorp change spread for quad 610?

Or is it only teatorps that don’t change

Here’s the comparison btw

[thin cosmos]

?

[flint python]

That rainbow ijn quint has bigger base dmg we all know how that scales up to torp stat that's no joke

[light crystal]

5x 206 = 1030 base damage, before u add in all the multipliers (Gear enhancement, Torp stat, slot Eff, Skills). 533mk9 have a base damage of 860 before the multipliers.

[radiant brook]

Slower torps are a good thing imo, it kills the monke brain vanguard if they decide to fall back and eat them

[candid sluice]

U can see that first wave is slower than second

[radiant brook]

Fast torps are too fast for their monke brains

[candid sluice]

So it does change speed

Haven’t tested with 610s yet

[light crystal]

Well main issue, besides the spread, is that 206x4 is lower base damage anyway

[thin cosmos]

to be honest most of your proposals are useless

[radiant brook]

Also is the UR IJN torp real?

[light crystal]

It's an old leak

About 2 years or so. But some of the equips from that leak became reality

Including black dildos, and purple 130mm singles

And if u haven't noticed, we're able to get Gun and AA gun UR BP's, so those are defo in the pipeline

[candid sluice]

No spread doesn’t change for 610s

[radiant brook]

Yes but it's not a thing yet

[light crystal]

[flint python]

31s reload kekw

[thin cosmos]

for me it's just too obvious that patern is much more important

[radiant brook]

I mean it's not in the game in a usable state yet

[light crystal]

See

[candid sluice]

Yamato gun looks kinda bad

[light crystal]

Either way, Yamato gun (460mm) and Shimakaze torps (Quint 610mm) will be a thing, eventually.

[candid sluice]

At least there’s a use for mg and torp urs

[radiant brook]

But not AA

[light crystal]

And wut I've been saying, quint 610mm's might raplace 533mk9's as the new torp meme. Well, long ways off from that, for now anyway

[candid sluice]

Spread still seems really massive to be effective

The reason why teatorps are so deadly is bcus the spread is so tight

Can focus down one ship and sink it immediately

[light crystal]

I still think quint 610mm would be better overall

Higher alpha per torp, and u got 5 of them.

[thin cosmos]

ok use it

We will not use it

[light crystal]

The reason y quad 610mm would be inferior, besides the spread, is the alpha is less, cuz 4x206

But 5x206 would solve that

[thin cosmos]

like mic, whatever we say, you can't accept what is different from your thinking

so just use what you want but do not say to others to use it

[candid sluice]

Well only way to find out is by testing it ig

For now we can only speculate

[light crystal]

I'm talking about facts here, it's not like I dont have torp meme fleet myself with triple black/rainbow didlo and 2 +13 53mk9's and working to +13 the third one

Just based from my own observations and the math, if 610mm quints become a thing, they would probably replace them from meta

[candid sluice]

Also excield never told anyone to use it he was originally asking blue if it’s effective or not

[light crystal]

Yeah, good point

Also was running on the assumption that Black dildos did not mess with torp speed when I first ping'd Blue about it

But now I see they do in fact mess with speed, but range and spread would be unaffected

[thin cosmos]

you can do similar test already

just test with 610×without 1 aux

[light crystal]

I would not test quad 610mm to compare over 533mk9's, becaus enot only the spread* would be a demerit, but we're also talking about less alpha

So there's no point

[thin cosmos]

that 20% more damage result easy to expect

[light crystal]

And also, using double rainbow dildo and 3 rainbow mag quints wouldn't be good for testing either, because damage is 145x5.

So 725 instead of 1030.

That's basically 25% less damage on alhpa to be a good test bed lol

[candid sluice]

Can u at least test the consistency of it using that?

Like if the torps actually hit or whiff most of the time

[thin cosmos]

yeah that's my point

[light crystal]

For quint gold mags?

[thin cosmos]

quite easy to see whiff rate even now

[candid sluice]

Like simulate the spread of quint 610s with what we have rn

[light crystal]

Well, I don't think it's worth it ultimately, because essentially doing considerably less damage per torp might skew end result 🤔

[candid sluice]

Well you’re not testing the dmg but rather the spread and hit rate of torps

[light crystal]

I think we'd just have to wait on these things to come out to know for sure imo

[sinful pewter]

[light crystal]

Here's why I think that's not a good idea. Lets assume right now u land 3/5 magnetized 533mk9's on the backline. And lets assume you would land 2/5 on average regular KMS quint magnetic torps. The damage would be doing would be considerably less ofc, cuz that's 172x3 as opposed to 145x2.

Granted, even if we assume it's 206x2 and 172x3, 533mk9's would still be better, on paper ofc

That's on the BL, but maybe VG would be different hitrate because of the closer proximity, so then if the average hit rate when they do hit would be 206x3 and 172x3, that would give an edge to 610mm's regardless

All pretty speculative, so things might swing in favor of one torp over the other in practice, but hard to truly test without the damn things themselves lol

So might just wait and see I guess

[thin cosmos]

just count ×2 or ×3

[radiant brook]

Should I stop attacking if I start getting +10 only?

[thin cosmos]

what you mean>?

[radiant brook]

If the left most is behind me in position (I'm 21th, left most is 35th), should I stop until he overtakes me?

[thin cosmos]

for point for sure

[radiant brook]

Oh ok guess I did the right thing for letting him pass me

[thin cosmos]

but sometimes all 4 matched guys think that way so they don't move till the end

[radiant brook]

[thin cosmos]

it's just sandbagging chicken game

[radiant brook]

At least he did overtake me this time

[thin cosmos]

anyway finally you got enough strong fleet for AotN?

[radiant brook]

Yeah

I can take on left most everytime and win

Unless it's black torp

[thin cosmos]

so could you change your mind about nagato?

[radiant brook]

Hope so

Until she becomes not required for stall defense

Because everyone that stalls are running her

[thin cosmos]

well she is needed but beatable

and you said unbeatable

[flint python]

unbeatable if you're weak

[trail temple]

[radiant brook]

Yeah she isn't unkillable now

More often than not she dies as soon as warspite fires because the other 2 are hiryuu/shinano so her shelling are focused on her

[thin cosmos]

what is your fleet now? seems not much changed

so better gear might be

[radiant brook]

Warspite/shinano/enty, sanrui/helena/sandy

[thin cosmos]

pearl and beaver got?

[radiant brook]

Yes

But pearl isn't needed because sanrui always live and pearl is on her

[thin cosmos]

why do you put it her???

must be on juneau or sandy

[radiant brook]

Oh ok

Guess beaver/rudder on sanrui it is

And manjuu on enemy seems like a blessing because it stalls her heal until nagato dies

And sometimes final counter gets forced before juneau becomes Christ

[thin cosmos]

we don't care about nagato really

[radiant brook]

Yeah but when you see that supposedly 40% fire all the time you have to take her down fast before warspite dies

[thin cosmos]

sometimes)

[trail temple]

Even in games where I had 3/3 Big 7s, she's still only doing half the damage (at most) compared to Shinano and Hiryuu, most of the time even Azuma passes Nagato in damage

[radiant brook]

So sandy should use pearl/rudder or pearl/shoe?

[thin cosmos]

did you get manjuu?

[radiant brook]

Yes

On helena

But never see it proc even once since I got it

[thin cosmos]

your VG quite slow compare to normal 1CL compo

So I recomend boiler

[radiant brook]

Boiler pearl it is

[thin cosmos]

yes it would be best for sandy

I will use 2boiler so boiler+manjuu at helena

[radiant brook]

Guess I have to look for another one in purple boxes

Oh nvm can make another one

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

Screw nagato all my homies hate nagato

[trail temple]

If they screw Nagato, wouldn't that make them lolicons?

[radiant brook]

She can be a 20 year old and still be smol

Inb4 age is just a number

[candid sluice]

I was trying to keep it family friendly

[thin cosmos]

there are much more dangerous ships so why care her...

at least teenager

[radiant brook]

Some ppl have a miko fetish

[thin cosmos]

but some ships are less than 10 for sure

[trail temple]

If you try, you're doomed to fail

[buoyant parrot]

What are going to do here if you guys ain't moving. Exercise ain't going to rank itself. Move you sandbaggers feed me.

[candid sluice]

Am not in avrora

[trail temple]

Hope you rolled me then, since I'm too tired to stay up

[leaden sky]

i kept being matched up with you ether

[real notch]

alright i'm back

what changed in the game since i was gone

[uncut agate]

how long were you gone for?

[real notch]

july 2019

[distant token]

we have +13 stuff now

[uncut agate]

Too many changes to list ||even though I started playing in April 2020||

[real notch]

damn... i guess nobody from the old days is still here huh..

what a bummer

i'm officially a grandpa then

[distant token]

i started in sept 2019

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk if i count

[uncut agate]

PvP tierlist isn't up to date

[real notch]

so sad... :( it's not up to date

[distant token]

noobasian is making a pvp tierlist

[leaden sky]

just ask here about new stuff

[real notch]

who's that

[distant token]

@trail temple

i think he's sleeping rn though

[real notch]

alright so what's the meta right now

is nagato amago fdg accurate

or is it still nagato amagi wskai

[distant token]

Shinano

warkai fell off the planet btw

hiryuu still here

nagato still here

juneau azuma still here

some people are starting to use suzusuki

it's not that different

[real notch]

lololol

"Azuma is still here" meanwhile when i left azuma wasn't even released kek

[distant token]

wait when did pr2 come out

[real notch]

alright nice to know it's still sakura empire circlejerk

[distant token]

yep

though

u could run like

PoW with USS fleet

[uncut agate]

Gear lab has some new gears, especially Wyvern, the rainbow torpedo bomber

[real notch]

shinano seems pretty broken

[distant token]

oh yea those

[real notch]

i assume she's used with ykkz and noshiro and juneau?

[distant token]

eh frontline is whatever

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ykkz noshiro juneau would probably still work

though now we have manjuu item

[leaden sky]

since new stuff added like CV stealth, peeps have been using more CV in pvp

torpmeme still there

[distant token]

now with black torp

and naganami

[crude mortar]

sirrequiem is back

slimshady is back

[real notch]

it's me

wait who's this

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/806705643012489286/790652774978420837_1.gif

[elder crane]

What york said
And vs main it's not hitting 2/5, it's 1/5
The whole reason why HMS works vs main rn is cause torp concentration means if they land, you actually kill/almost kill since it's like 6-7 torps at once
Otherwise they shoot back and Jun just heals it back up and you end up behind

[light crystal]

I dunno man. But I rather wait and see. Perhaps like you said, BL deleting power would take a hit, but VG would take more damage as well, Either way it's all conjecture until we get actual 610mm quints and see their performance lol

[elder crane]

Vg wouldn't tho for same reason

[light crystal]

I think so, 533mk9's aren't a sure thing on VG either

Well either way, let's just wait n see

[elder crane]

Mk9s are 50 to do nothing and 50 to kill what it hits

[light crystal]

I don't expect Shimakaze torps to come out in the near future, might take a while

[elder crane]

610s would be 20 nothing 60 not enough dmg to matter 20 kill

Or whatnot

Which is just worse

That's why old torpmemes died

Almost never enough dmg to matter

[light crystal]

Old torp meme was also not efficient cuz we're talking about 145 per torp instead of 206

[elder crane]

Wdym

[light crystal]

Thats y I dont think its the best comparison

[elder crane]

Old memes was 610s black torp

[light crystal]

Oh that

Well, the alpha is less dude

206x4 is actually less than 172x5

206x5 is higher than both

[elder crane]

533 is super old and was never meta

Doesn't matter tho cause spacing means it won't really hit any more

Again as york says you're comparing fairly consistent 2/5 to RNG 4-5/5

And consistent 2/5 is bad when it consistently isn't enough dmg

[light crystal]

I still think ur not getting the alpha damage deficit lol

And either way, torp meme is inherently RNG

I rather see 1030 DMG alpha as a higher threat than 860 DMG alpha, at the end of the day

And then we'd get into scaling at +13 and wut not, making them a higher threat when they do hit

Well it's all conjecture, I rather not get into an argument about speculatives, just putting opinion out there

Oh yeah forgot to say, when I initially asked u about them earlier, I was under the impression that black dildo magnetizing them would not change their speed, but magnetic torps are always slow. They would retain their higher range over 533mk9's tho, as range is not affected.

[distant token]

tfw you were gonna get a +1

but then your game crashses

and then u have to eat a -1

[light crystal]

I'd say the higher range would allow them to travel more if they happen to loop against the BL, dunno if that would make them more thretening cuz they can go for a further go at hitting VG or something, but at that point it's mostly for laughs lol

[elder crane]

The issue that is 2/5 of 1030 (414) consistently vs 0 or 860/688
Which surprise surprise 860/688 much bigger than 414

Heck even landing 3/5 is just 621 which is still much lower

While the dmg is more consistent, the burst is just not enough to matter really

[light crystal]

Well, ultimately I won't deny that the spread will be an issue. But overall, the way I see it, torp meme is inherently RNG. So I rather take the RNG with the bigger alpha potential, even tho in practice it mat not reach it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/352975182065041410/817609234287034408/image0.gif

[elder crane]

You'll find that with quint vs quad mags too
The actual dmg when hitting is not any higher, you just hit more consistently
And the consistency isn't the issue of blacktorp quad 610s, it just didn't do enough dmg

[light crystal]

Consistency. RNG. Take ur pick

[elder crane]

The bigger alpha is HMS torps tho since spread means it's impossible to land even 4/5 normal quints

[light crystal]

Re-read my previous comment, it summarizes my feelings

[light crystal]

🙏

[elder crane]

It doesn't work that way

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

Look at quint vs quad mags, the 533s

Quints on auto don't actually do more dmg when they land since they still just land 2, maybe 3

They just land more consistently

[light crystal]

lmao, wut doesn't work. I'm looking at alpha, dude, I'm not regurgitating the spread or likelihood of hitting. 'm looking at alpha, 860 vs 1030, whether ur each it or not is w/e kek

[elder crane]

Same in PvP really

Sure go use twin 410 fireworks then

High total alpha

[light crystal]

So it doesn't matter if it's reached in practice, I would stake on the higher alpha potential

Go big or go home 🙏

[elder crane]

Sure go use twin 410 fireworks then
Higher total alpha means more dmg potential eh?

New BiS nagato here we come

[light crystal]

Generally I'm dissapointed I'm not seeing enough torp meme in WA. I think I'm the only one running it properly

Hey, u have 3 Mk9's +13 dont u? @elder crane

[elder crane]

Only 2 actually
Since first torp I upped was rainbow mags
Since was before the patch

Now I have a +11 rainbow mag

[light crystal]

Wuts the Power of 120/200 Jint/Nag/Noshi, running triple STAAG + 3x +13 533mk9?

[timid current]

please dont

🙂

[light crystal]

I think it barely cracks 15k

[elder crane]

Barely breaks 15k actually

Ye

Since blacktorp and mk9 are gold, not rainbow

[light crystal]

I guess thats the way to know ur going against the true torp meme, u see those 3 oathed and together, u know exactly wut they're running lol

[elder crane]

Also

3x +13 HMS torps still doesn't break 15k pretty sure

Mine has +13 blacktorps too tho

Well, 2 of each

[light crystal]

Right now Nosjiro's torps are +11. At +12, it should raise Power by another 10'ish, and at +13, by another 10ish as well, barely cracking 15k

[elder crane]

Iirc your own one displays with fleet tech, no?
Leaderboard has correct number or something I forget

[light crystal]

Hah? U actually enhanced black dildos?

[elder crane]

What else would I enhance in that team

For aux

[light crystal]

I've checked Leaderboard before and it matched wut was shown on Defense Formation, so I dunno

I mean, true. i also ave 263 Aux plates

[elder crane]

Nano is already +11/+13
Nagato has a +13
And then it's....?

[light crystal]

But torp stat only icnreases by 15 points at +13 (85 from 70)

[elder crane]

I guess I could do Hiryuu stuff or Semaphore but sounds worse than just more torp

[light crystal]

I guess if u +13 the 3, it's 45 extra torp?

🤔

[elder crane]

Also +3 hit

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

Cause that totally matters

[light crystal]

I mean, it may lol

They can still miss BL even if they do "hit"

Every little bit helps

[elder crane]

Ah yes 3 hit when combined hit+eva is, erm
400 ish
Matters
Well
Now that I put it that way...

That's like 0.3% ish hitrate diff?

[light crystal]

Ohh, Jintsuu has considerably less Hit than either Naganami or Noshiro. Time to +13 her Black dildos then

[elder crane]

Which is like having, erm, on avg dmg

2 extra torp stat

[upper cove]

it also gives crit rate which is worth mentioning

[elder crane]

Okay was that /1000 or /5000 I forget

On critrate

[light crystal]

I want ppl to know I'm running top tier torp meme and to actually consider dodging me, that's a win on my book

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

[elder crane]

Iirc luck/5000 and hit/1000 right?

[upper cove]

crit rate is
hit / (hit + enemyEva + 2000)

with the luck stuff being /5000

[elder crane]

Oh nvm /2500 ish then

[light crystal]

Then might as well +13 their STAAG as well for even greater Hit

[elder crane]

So 3.6 hit is like, erm

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

0.15% extra critrate

[upper cove]

I mean
nothing you've said so far says why it wouldn't be worth to +13 a black torp

[light crystal]

Oh fuck, +13 doesn't increase Hit further on STAAG

I guess 10 is just too minor to scale lol

[elder crane]

+2% torp dmg
+0.3% hitrate
+0.15% crit rate

For +13

[upper cove]

I mean what else are you gonna do
+13 a rainbow dildo

[elder crane]

*+11