pvp

[frail orbit]

Koz rando aim

Not divergent

[buoyant parrot]

hmmmmm... worth testing

alright I'll make one to +13

[frail orbit]

The mk IX I meant

That IJN is just another quad IJN

[thin cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5TLCUh9j5U

[frail orbit]

And by mk IX ofc the HMS torps

[candid sluice]

610 fans out too much

U can only hit like 1 or 2 torps even with blacktorp

[buoyant parrot]

well it does make sense to use HMS when you have Black Dild.

[thin cosmos]

yes for sure

the funny thing is rather you need black dildo even vs stealth CVs

[buoyant parrot]

but is it better than a Rainbow +13 Mag torp and a 2 +13 Rainbow Dild?

[thin cosmos]

sometimes VG and nagato twick their path so CV hitted by a torp which wasn't on path

the reconition range is very short

[buoyant parrot]

+13 Rainbow Mag torp - 2 +13 Rainbow Dild
V.S.
+13 HMS Quint MK - 1 +13 Black Dild & 1 +13 Rainbow Dild.

[thin cosmos]

I guess we told a lot already

[crude mortar]

@buoyant parrot close your eye and just use hms torp

+13 3 of it

[elder crane]

Issue #1
Holy shit that's a lot of plates to use lol
Issue #2
HMS torps still better probably cause clustering
normal mags are just nowhere near the kind of burst that 6 torps in a tight bundle doing 5k/10k crits puts out

main issue with old torps is that even if you hit, you almost never kill them, so they just wreck your vanguard in return

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

also it semi-negates Juneau

since the dmg is not evenly distributed

[frail orbit]

Once Juneau finally seppuku

Backline would all be ded

[elder crane]

she'll always overheal near full HP ships while often not healing ships before they die

[frail orbit]

Mostly bkoz 2 shit again

Geometrical arrangement of def fleet

[buoyant parrot]

for Juneau nothing is change right? this is still the standard?

[frail orbit]

Highly advantageous to the def fleet

[elder crane]

personally I prefer to diversify pearl now

[frail orbit]

Vanguard

[elder crane]

also

+13 sex bofors

also
Tashkent gun smh

[mint hornet]

I think some people do the kms ap dd on juneau

[elder crane]

or that is good too

[buoyant parrot]

yeah the KMS gun but im using it on OPS so i Cant

😂

[elder crane]

I tried out KMS AP and it actually does pen a decent amt

ehh just make another one

[buoyant parrot]

X___x

[mint hornet]

it uses mats that nothing important needs

[thin cosmos]

oh is it good cause of azuma?

[elder crane]

at minimum 114 mm > 138 mm

[mint hornet]

not as good on azuma

[elder crane]

Nah cause pens

I like it on Azuma too actually

[mint hornet]

[thin cosmos]

pen?

[mint hornet]

penetrate

[elder crane]

any bit of AA without losing much DpS helps

[mint hornet]

pierce

[elder crane]

It seems to pierce around 1/3 of the time

[mint hornet]

I thought the thought process was that azuma is probably only firing at 1-2 targets so the other dd guns would be better

[thin cosmos]

any ap has penetration but if you have low base damage, not so helpfull

[mint hornet]

and that's why juneau likes it since she's mostly firing at the beginning before she dies

[elder crane]

if Azuma makes it past their vanguard you already won

[mint hornet]

true

[elder crane]

and the velocity probably helps hit stuff too, idk, hard to say

the amt of pens easier to measure

[thin cosmos]

I mean it is good to kill azuma

[elder crane]

since you can see if it doesn't hit second target

that too, the ST DpS vs medium armor is on par with twin 130

[thin cosmos]

what is DPS percent vs light armor?

[elder crane]

like 75% ish iirc

or wait actually should be more I think

nah lower vs twin 130 actually

[thin cosmos]

but if so, people had to use AP DD gun even before cause it has not much difference than AP gun before

[elder crane]

70%
vs twin 114, 78%

wut

the diff is pretty massive

27.20 vs 41.29 base DpS + higher stat buffs

[thin cosmos]

hmm? that much?

something wrong with as I know

[elder crane]

DD AP sucked before cause purple twin 128 suck ass at base stats

[thin cosmos]

I thought less than 10% increase

[buoyant parrot]

its the Twin 128mm 45 SK C right?

[elder crane]

same 1.5 s reload but 16 dmg per shot at 120% coeff vs 11 dmg per shot at 115% coeff

[buoyant parrot]

this one if im not mistaken

crap I have to make another +13 of that?! X___x so much plates...

[elder crane]

I've been telling peeps, DDAP is not inherently bad
the mods are actually fine
it's just that DD AP guns suck ass

get one with similar base DpS as 138 and it actually has niches

[buoyant parrot]

yeah... I'd rather use this instead X__x

[elder crane]

also very low priority for +13

[thin cosmos]

but you know meta fleet has not much guns

after nagato and azuma main gun, DD gun

[frail orbit]

Why are u running champog gun

[buoyant parrot]

my beguete gun is at +10 and that one is at +11 so I'm using that as tempo for jesus

[frail orbit]

At least that's not for backline

[buoyant parrot]

but yeah I'm considering the DD AP... I just don't want to go for another +13 for it if I can avoid it

[elder crane]

Just use tashguns then

[buoyant parrot]

Twin 130mm???

this?

[thin cosmos]

oh yes

you have a lot of 13 gear...

[buoyant parrot]

i farm... A LOT

[crude mortar]

dont use he

non ap get cucked by manju

[buoyant parrot]

hey @elder crane do you have the list of prio for guns to +13?

I just got this from Yoon

also just posted that in our discord too 😂

[frail orbit]

That's only

Torps

U doofus

🪓

For the dmg comparison ofc

[buoyant parrot]

yeah that's whjy Im asking for guns too 😭

[mint hornet]

isn't yoon's pic

just the wiki

sorted by heavy dps

[frail orbit]

Ye

🙃 🪓

That's not even priority shit

It's basically preload n heavy dps list

[buoyant parrot]

looks like I need some gear renovation on my Exercise fleet to annoy new and semi seasoned capts.

[light crystal]

Step one, Get Wyvern. Step Two, Get another. Repeat Step Two until u can cram enough Wyvern in 3 CV's as u can (4).

[frail orbit]

Get ur mic

🏃💨

[candid sluice]

🎙️🟥

[trail temple]

Who doesn't want to listen to Roon and Taihou singing while doing their exercises?

[light crystal]

Mikes don't change battle music, do they? Id use them for that along

Main reason I use YKKZ, cuz she has Holive Boiler kek

[thin cosmos]

they change

[trail temple]

Yeah, it works exactly like hololive boiler

If you have both, it'll randomly pick

[light crystal]

Holy fucking hell

Ok boys, I wont make fun of Mikes for that alone anymore

[candid sluice]

[somber axle]

Team mic has finally destroyed the opposition.

[elder crane]

depends on team, and a bit on offense/defense
For PvP Azuma gun > rest, then it's imo team-dependent/toss-up on vanguard main guns vs BB guns vs BB secondaries

[abstract cypress]

sudden avrorian invasion

[trail temple]

Always has been

[abstract cypress]

need to reset few times, very bs

this guy seems have the torp meme+wyvern go find him

[thin cosmos]

looks very solid

but somehow his back line stats too low so I wonder his gears are +10

[abstract cypress]

either way the vg matters

my fleet wasnt usin any bulge+wnt, 3 ship insta sink

[thin cosmos]

well no wnt in this torp and wyvern age?

[abstract cypress]

good thingthis is the last season id play pvp

i mean on me

[thin cosmos]

I got first wyvern and funny thing is I had to retreat vs cuda mirror

so really hard to understand why... maybe bug?

[uncut agate]

I had him yesterday in my opponents, but the rank was lower so I didn't attack the fleet

[abstract cypress]

try him later, embrace the bs

well ur using ijn bs too, mb aint matter much

[radiant brook]

Should I upgrade WNT/manjuu/pearl tear if I'm only using them in pvp?

[abstract cypress]

youre asking smth that u should answer it urself

[radiant brook]

So yes? Idk

Given that their stat boosts aren't much

[thin cosmos]

your goal is just taking AotN so don't have to

basically all +10 fine just for that

[abstract cypress]

use plate on effense aux if u want an advice

[candid sluice]

Depends if u prioritize pvp over pve

Same goes with any equip really

If u want silly hiryuu dmg upgrade ryuusei if pvp then helldiver etc etc

[thin cosmos]

still very close win

[elder crane]

Manjuu yes, Pearl and WNT maybe
Manjuu really good for op si/CM/EX
Pearl is nice for those too
WNT has pretty solid stats for CA aux slot

[thin cosmos]

I guess juneau already too tanky than what we want

and vs torp that 100 hp would not helpful for sure

[elder crane]

Wait

I read that as "not using them in PvP"

Derp

In that case yes x3 but lower priority on Manjuu as Novo said

Tear I actually use elsewhere now so I +13 it

[rigid ravine]

KMS simp be like:

I'm close on getting my first Gasoline Gun, should I just put it on MamaFDG or Biscuit?

[proper sorrel]

no nelflag

[clear briar]

Would've gotten higher if it weren'tn for those -1s

[proper sorrel]

too early

[candid sluice]

Last night I was 7th at 5/10 almost ate a -1

[slender atlas]

today i got an interesting enemy, his fleet use rich fdg war,dont remember vanguard but he kill my shinano in 5sec after battle begin. so surprise

[candid sluice]

Fires go brr

[dull hollow]

2 UR universal plates from shops today

[abstract cypress]

rush time for aotn in an hour

[candid sluice]

Good luck rolling the rushers everyone

[sour oasis]

Rushers in 2021

[radiant brook]

Waiting until next season to get AoTN

I could get it if I didn't go monkey brain and miss 5 exercises

[slender atlas]

still possible to get aotn even miss5

[radiant brook]

I lost 3 times after that so 8 losses

Doubt I could recover from that

Oh well at least I got fleet admiral

[slender atlas]

im offline for 1day this week, gonna see if i could get aotn

[sour oasis]

After 5 losses, especially if you are rushing, pretty much dooms AotN qualifications on Avrora.

[radiant brook]

Yeah I know

[sour oasis]

The other servers don't realize Avrora be this crazy.

[radiant brook]

Typical humans, they will never believe you unless they experience it themselves

[sour oasis]

"I'm telling you this tastes bad. "

Stop trying to make me taste it then!

[sour oasis]

If you don't lose, even playing just twice a day, day 12 set 2 is a safe walk to AotN (because more players are turtling for extra points than those that play down to 0/10)

[sinful pewter]

Yay I got AotN

[next burrow]

Hi, could I ask if there are any updated guides on aux equips for pvp?

I’m trying to get into pvp and from what I understand so far, the meta gear are different in this mode

[abstract cypress]

need 10 mins to rush

smh potato phone

[candid sluice]

Basically juneau wants manjuu and carriers want two of avgas/beacon/mic

Pearl on one of your vanguards and try to fit beaver tag in as well

[abstract cypress]

Basically juneau wants manjuu and carriers want two of avgas/beacon/mic
fxd

[next burrow]

avgas as in oil tank?

So no catapults?

[abstract cypress]

new one from shop

[candid sluice]

100/150 fuel in core data shop

[next burrow]

Oh that, I see

[candid sluice]

If they’re +13 maaaybe but eh

[next burrow]

Do I put both pearl and dcp on juneau?

[candid sluice]

The other auxes are just better

[candid sluice]

Up to personal preference/depends on your team, if juneau isn’t overhealing with tears and no one else can hold it sure

[abstract cypress]

id go +13 cata than mic

[candid sluice]

+13 mic

[next burrow]

I see. Okay, what about this boiler vs repair tools thing?

What is mic though

[candid sluice]

The three microphone aux from Polaris 2 event

Universe in unison or something

[next burrow]

Oh I prob missed that huh

[next burrow]

What about this though

[candid sluice]

Uhh on who

I prefer boiler

[next burrow]

On vanguard ships in general I guess?

[candid sluice]

In most cases

[next burrow]

I see

[abstract cypress]

if u dont have mic mb u have key

[candid sluice]

But if I have a really squishy ship (suzutsuki) I use celestial body over toolbox

[abstract cypress]

or the downgrade like rwg

[candid sluice]

The heal just isn’t significant enough

[abstract cypress]

[candid sluice]

Does key and mic have the same stats?

[next burrow]

Hmm okay...

Ye it would make sense for speed to be more relevant here

[abstract cypress]

key and mic are the same item

also belong to 🚮

[candid sluice]

[next burrow]

Btw, what auxes do bbs equip? Heard shells are bad

[candid sluice]

Hpfcr

[proper sorrel]

shells aren't necessarily bad, but hit stat is pretty important

[candid sluice]

^^

Shells aren’t a bad choice

[next burrow]

Can I use sg radars for now then

[proper sorrel]

sg radar is good yeah

[candid sluice]

Before hidden cv things u would run rudder but now it’s not necessary

[next burrow]

Oh it’s good? Ok that’s nice

[next burrow]

On cvs?

[candid sluice]

On all backline

[next burrow]

Oh... what if I hv one bb tho?

Worth to use one over another aux?

[candid sluice]

U won’t need rudder anymore

Sg + white shell is fine

[proper sorrel]

there's no room for a rudder

[next burrow]

Aight...

[candid sluice]

If u have hpfcr from pr3 def use it

[next burrow]

What about wnt? Do we still use that?

[candid sluice]

Sure

[next burrow]

What does it actually accomplish tho, outside of slowing the battle down?

[proper sorrel]

i run richy with nelflag and wnt for the hit stat to hit the vanguard harder

[candid sluice]

It reduces rng factor for more stabile games

Takes longer but less rng dependent

[next burrow]

Oh, okay I think I get what you mean? So it makes every instance of damage less impactful overall?

[candid sluice]

Ye like torps for example

Although the torp defense nowadays just blasts thru wnt regardless

[next burrow]

I see

Okay, thank you all for the help!

[radiant brook]

Does mic have to be +10 to be used on PvP?

[upper cove]

need? technically know but you use it for the stats so the goal is to try to get the best stats you can reasonably get out of it

[candid sluice]

^^ you def want the stats

[timid current]

what does aviation fuel accomplish in pvp, exactly?

[proper sorrel]

so that planes live long enough to meet their end at the other side of the battlefield

[timid current]

i thought they already had like a million hp in pvp?

[proper sorrel]

nah

they'll still get taken down easily without the avigas

it's like a must have on carriers

[timid current]

beacon/gas on hiryuu then?

[proper sorrel]

sure

[candid sluice]

Gas increases plane speed so planes arrive at end of screen faster

And don’t take as much dmg from defense aa

[proper sorrel]

you could've written it in a more ballad sense

bad taste

[candid sluice]

Even tho health is quadrupled the crash dmg is based on remaining health on plane so the faster the plane the sooner it will reach end of screen and less dmg it takes

[timid current]

i guess ill try it out bc currently what i have doesnt seem to be working, i use standard meta fleet and when going up against an identical enemy i lose like 9 times before i can win haaha

[candid sluice]

Definitely gas on all carriers

[proper sorrel]

wyvern/heccdabber/barracuda/mic/avigas on shin
shiden or reppu/heccdabber/ryuusei/homing/avigas on hiryuu is what i like

[candid sluice]

Why shiden and ryuusei

[timid current]

yeah ive been using all of this except the gas but would still lose hard so hopefully it helps

thanks

[proper sorrel]

shiden cos its fancy

ryuusei because hiryuu is the last carrier to survive most likely

[sour oasis]

Just being pedantic here: aviation oil (the other purple aux) increases almost the same amount of HP.

Not having the speed boost, the effects are clearly visible, with fewer planes surviving a strong AA defense team. But if attackers are facing just a mediocre AA defense team, they could live with just the extra oil tank (or even no gas at all).

[next burrow]

So even that poverty aux equip, the purple oil tank, is better than gold steam catas?

[candid sluice]

Yee

[next burrow]

Wow okay

[light crystal]

@elder crane Would Ju86 be viable in PvP over using Ryusei?

If u wanted to use Ryusei to begin with

[abstract cypress]

id go for junker tb

[frail orbit]

It'd still be RNGesus

Unless enemy def basically stall meta

Even then we know that we still should've forced a slow on it

Even if it's a converging triangle TB

Man u haven't seen the era of 4mi centaur wakai

[candid sluice]

Junkers has a better pattern than ryuusei

So if u using it solo I would junkers

Without slow support

[radiant brook]

Either are fine if you use it on the "last man standing" CV

Because its usually just CV vs CV

[candid sluice]

The first few launches will whiff more if ur using ryuusei

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/naruhodo-anime-weeb-i-see-glasses-gif-14617903

Damn, gold Circuits in high demand for peeveepee. All them Hornets/Tigercats, Wyverns, and now Ju87's on top

[trail temple]

Gold circuits on everything

[candid sluice]

Eventually gonna be used for aa too

[light crystal]

Yameteeee

[trail temple]

[light crystal]

[thin cosmos]

20 rubber<<<1circuit

[candid sluice]

20 anything < 1 circuit

[trail temple]

Who's selling rubber? I need it for "research purposes"

[candid sluice]

Waiting for the double mount sextriple bofors that will cost 72 circuits

[light crystal]

Manjuu, when r u gonna start selling these with gems, gonna make a killing

[thin cosmos]

no pay to win

[trail temple]

Octuple bofors

[light crystal]

Dectuple bofors when.

Run triple AA VG with 3-4 Dectuple bofors to protect against 4+ Wyvers coming for yo ass.

[trail temple]

Quad bofor STAAG with +20 hit stat UR AA gun

[thin cosmos]

and then just killed with torp in 3seconds?

[light crystal]

Sky torps or surface torps, pick ur cancer. Can't build against everything

[candid sluice]

+75 aa +20 hit +30 fp +30 avi ur aa gun when

[sour oasis]

I find I need more alloy

[sour oasis]

Do you have wood for my sheep? (Board game joke)

[elder crane]

Maybe, tho iirc it has a chunk less crash?

[trail temple]

It's 20 less

[dull hollow]

not a fan of ryuusei on last man standing hiryuu cuz ryuusei target prioritization is a meme sometimes making u waste a lot of dps

wyvern obv best but cuda was more stable for me even

[sour oasis]

@radiant brook face Nijix defense team; it's purely there to stop torpedoes (reducing damage by 50-65%) and whittle attackers with gun fire. Granted, they also have superior +13 equipment (planes have more HP, HE does more damage) so be aware of that too.
Amagi and Shinano are there to debuff while Juneau Yukikaze tank. They could have had more torpedo protection with FNFF ships, but instead have Azuma setting fires with Nagato buffing her. ||Have fun seeing WNT||

[light crystal]

If u go too much torp defense, u leave urself open to CV damage tho.

[elder crane]

On the other hand, cuda isn't going to nuke down a half HP main

[dull hollow]

yah cuda wont dump 2/3 of its load onto a 10% target and then make u lose

for my results and my comps cuda was just more consistent

plus ryuusei = auto useless if the enemy front is up unless you're doing 4mi memes lul

[candid sluice]

Yea your first airstrike with it is gonna whiff unless u have slow support, and if enemy vang is still up at second airstrike the backline nuke won’t happen

[elder crane]

I mean cuda doesn't do much more than like 20% of HP total so ehh
The bigger issue is what York says
Can't rely on it to do anything at all if vanguard is up
Well, unless yours is dead, though that's rare for standard team offense and usually a losing position regardless

And no slow is not letting aimed TBs land on vanguard

You need a full stop, but Formi's actually doesn't work
The drop timing of aimed TBs depends on vanguard position, and it's too wide for formi's window

[dull hollow]

Tbf there's plenty of situations where i wish i had the other whenever i had either equipped

Also it's not too hard to sync hiryuu onto 4mi

Tho the hiryuu torps wont rly be doing all that much damage

[elder crane]

Nah I've done quite extensive testing and it doesn't actually work

The drop timing on ryuus varies by ~1 s

• Travel time and Formi stop isn't enough

[dull hollow]

Ive not had any issues in having hiryuu hit

Everyone else tho is gonna ve questionable

[elder crane]

At best you can hit ~80% of the time but ~1/5 of the time you still whiff

[dull hollow]

Oh yah that's just 4mi in a nutshell tho

[elder crane]

You just adjust formi launch time

Formi first stop is guaranteed

[dull hollow]

But 80% u get full hits

It's when the enemy speedyguards dip into a weird spot

[elder crane]

Ye too bad 80% is nothing special for offense winrate

[dull hollow]

Having 4mi on ur team means ur alreadt memeing tho

[elder crane]

Well if by "speedy" you mean bog standard Juneau ykkz Azuma

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

Like literally just standard vanguard is enough to dodge

[dull hollow]

Anything that isnt shinanoryuu is jusy being used 4fun

[elder crane]

Nah there's some fairly legit alternative setups too

[sour oasis]

That is true, a bomber heavy 3x CV made things easier, but their Azuma had a habit of breaking my vanguard. 1 Azuma and 1 CV vs 3 CV is might still be a win for the 3 CV, but it's dicey.

[elder crane]

Not as good but much better than weird formi stuff

[dull hollow]

Virtually impossible to test on jp anyway

No one sets up useful comps

And even fewer hace wyverns

Jp ded gaem

So i just meme with muse lusty and 4mi after i realized shinanoryuu rolls everythibt

Whatre the alt comps tho

I wanna try them

[elder crane]

Idk Shinanoryuu rolls that too

For standard, stuff I've actually had to look out for:
Mirror ofc
Torpmemez
Percy warkai, can't let it focus Shinano
...I think that's it?

[dull hollow]

I only found 1 shinanoryuu and pretty sure that guy didnt have wyvern

Or setup wrong

[elder crane]

For Torpmemes add 3CV, kindaish Akaga, and anti-torp Namano

[dull hollow]

Rolled him with muse lusty coz delete front then azuma just needs to dilly dally until i force his hiryuu into 1hp before him

But he didnt use torp front

Torp front more obnoxioys than any back combo

Esp for 3cv teams

Coz they garantred to get 2nd wave off

That said i havent faced the raid boss of torp defenders yet

The british skunk girl

Jp ded server

[elder crane]

The what

[dull hollow]

Skunk girl comp with all british torps

Havent seena single British torp yet tbh

[elder crane]

Ah haven't seen anyone call it british yet actually

Either RN or Royal or linears or something

Well the thing is

[dull hollow]

Petition to name them teatorps

[elder crane]

You need black torpaux

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

Which not many ppl farmed

[dull hollow]

Yah that alone so rare to find on jp

Or maybe my server just retired idk

It's all nagakas with jintsuus and ayanamis

[elder crane]

Same for EN really though I think your server is ded

[dull hollow]

Stuck in 2018

Forever

LOL

Only wyvern i found was some dude running 6 ur comp

[elder crane]

Well on the brit torp part

[dull hollow]

Blingman

[elder crane]

I haven't seen a Nakaga in forever

[dull hollow]

Id say 60% of what i see

Is nagaka

Jap bias i guess

[elder crane]

I mean we run IJN the most by far too

Just the good ones

[dull hollow]

Yah idk if it's a culutral thing

But nagaka has been like

Overwhelming majority here

Forever and ever

[elder crane]

Ye from what I hear JP doesn't really care about PvP at all overall

[dull hollow]

Full circle irony is with cv detect the torp stacked nagakas are kinda annoying now

[elder crane]

To the point where EN seems to care more despite much smaller playerbase

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

Nah they just fold after

Akaga even w +13 and stealth still don't hit hard enough

[dull hollow]

Coz im usually running half scuffed front just to jew some exp onto a random third

So quite a few times i get rolled at 20s

And then hiryuu cant literally 1v6

There's been some

Unconfirmed qanon shit that jp has higher cv damage compared to other servers

No one ever rly confirmed it but when we watched vids of cn pvp with cv and compared it to ours

Esp back in nakaga

It was like

Why cn take no damage

We get blown tf up

Everytime

[elder crane]

It's called

Correct gearing

+ship selection

[dull hollow]

Same match-ups same gear but the damage just seemed way worse

Idk it was ages ago

Only reason i mention it is coz now nagakas have like fairly high chance to make my entire front and or flagship disappear on first strike

Dev 30 azuma with full evasion gear

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[candid sluice]

🍝

[sour oasis]

+13 is the new try-hard

[light crystal]

tbh, I still find that my VG consistently takes massive dmg while on Attack, and Im running 120/200's with best gear

To the point I question ppl using the same line of "But Attek does 20% more dmg, it's EZ" every time. I bet they dont even PvP often enough to say that shit, or they just reset like mad all yolo lol

[sour oasis]

Or they play on a less tryhard server

flexing killed PvP

[light crystal]

Well, thankfully Washington still tryhards to give this much headache still then

[timid current]

Washington feels very tryhard, that 20% buff is def a myth haha

[upper cove]

you don't do more damage as the attacker
you take less damage

by a factor of 20%

[timid current]

still feels like fake news when shinano defender ryuuseis 1 shot main after missing vanguard

[upper cove]

well the other option is they 🍝 'd it to stop working

[candid sluice]

Wouldn’t be surprised

[light crystal]

I wouldn't be surprised either, but I wouldn't oppose it if it just stayed that way

[radiant brook]

Wait JP is laid back in pvp?

[upper cove]

most likely not

or at least not more than EN servers

[blazing crescent]

Is this good?

[candid sluice]

Use quad mags and sextuple bofors if u can, otherwise it’s good

[strange shuttle]

How is it this persons torpedos launch this clumped all the time? I never seen that before and like 20 tries it always wiped my front line completely or nagito

[candid sluice]

They’re the new linear torpedoes in hms tech tree, paired with the blacktorp auxiliary

[strange shuttle]

All 3 ships are using them?

[uncut agate]

Seems like it

[strange shuttle]

This?

[uncut agate]

Yes

[sour oasis]

@trail temple in the half hour I was stuck reloading torpedo memes, your Nagato avoided 3/4 of all torpedoes that hit her. (I finally got the result of nuking Azuma or Shinano and rolling through)

[trail temple]

So I should prepare stall cancer again?

[candid sluice]

[blazing crescent]

Alright thanks. Was mostly worried about if the 8s longer survivability US aux was the better choice over fire extinguisher

[candid sluice]

Definitely

[sour oasis]

What's the difference?

[elder crane]

Note that those are normal torps ; to make their first launch magnetic, you need an event aux equipment unfortunately

[midnight heron]

not sure if its just me but ive noticed that sometimes when the results screen shows a large number of kills (which means ton of plane kills), my backline still takes a lotta dmg

how does that even make sense

many of these types of games i win by prob a few seconds diff before final counter runs out

[elder crane]

Well
Let's say 4 Hiryuu strike waves, 3 barrages, 5 rounds of interception
4x8+3x2.5+5*3~55 planes on avg (70 if Wyvern)
2 Nano strike waves, 2 strike barrage + 3 s planes, 4 rounds of interception
2x9+2x5+1+4x6=53 planes

That's a lotta planes

Get 30 plane kills on that and it's only 1/4 of the total, and probably the kills are on barrage planes with low crash dmg anyways

[light crystal]

So hey, using Seattle is pretty good.

I was bitching a few days ago how my VG kept getting ass raped by CV's

So I was like, how about if I increase AA. I swap in Seattle, and now I'm actually consistently surviving airstrikes much better now

Fuck, I'm even downing the Interception Wyverns at 10s, and mine reveal their CV's instead

While mine aren't

Pretty sweet

I don't know if Imma be able to manage that against two Wyverns or w/e, but it's fine. The main thing is tanking air strikes better lul

[elder crane]

you should run Leipzig then

[light crystal]

I did have a hunch that AA VG's would actually be useful now

This is my new Attack VG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/820694368636764161/Screenshot_20210314-112444_Azur_Lane.jpg

[midnight heron]

yea but thing is ive seen matches where i get 100+ plane kills

[light crystal]

Pretty much, Juneau/Seattle core, and then a third

[timid current]

rip azuma

[midnight heron]

and my backline still takes a bs amount of beating

ridiculous

[light crystal]

I would say good third candidates are: Noshiro, YKKZ, Suzutsuki, and Leipzig.

Basically, it must be a CL/DD, and that's tankey

Using CA's is a demerit, they just take too much airstrike damage, because of the PvP combat mechanics, being medium armored instead of Light, etc

[midnight heron]

and cmiiw but avi doesnt increase crash dmg right?

[light crystal]

I tried using Sandi for full AA meme VG, but she's a bit too squish. Like I said, they must be tankey CL/DD with good AA

[midnight heron]

so even less reason they should be able to wreck my backline

[light crystal]

This pretty much it. She's too squish against Wyvern meta

Sorta sad, I invested so much resources on her, even tried +13'ing EVA gear, her guns n shit

Oh well

[timid current]

i literally just oathed azuma a bit ago and got her to 200 with like 40 billion oil lol

[light crystal]

Ultimately, I think the most consistent third would probably be Noshiro, cuz she's tankey herself, has okay'ish AA, and more importantly, has that nice Torp Bulge skill built-in, which helps against the occasional torp meme fleet.

Using YKKZ cuz she's tankey if u have good RNG, and the whole Backline protection/heal thingy, so consistent enough in Attack

This is my current Seattle setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/820694369753104424/Screenshot_20210314-112536_Azur_Lane.jpg

[timid current]

not even +13 sex bofors and she kills wyverns what

[light crystal]

I would like to make a Des Moines gun as an accelerator instead, but it's pricey: 45 Circuits and 30 Wire lul

[light crystal]

They die as long as they're on the circle, a bit of RNG lol

They survive if my VG goes wide and the planes travel outside the AA circle, but they get downed consistently enough

[timid current]

interesting stuff, ill have to try it but its gonna be awhile for me since i stopped leveling my seattle at 115 bc i thought she was kinda annoying heh

you said sandy doesnt work well?

[light crystal]

Besides, I wasn't going for that initially. My main goal was just to test better VG survivability against actual airstrikes, which was accomplished. The fact that they down the Wyvern interception was a pleasant surprise lol

I dunno, her main problem is that she's too squishy. Average CL HP, and no damage debuff. If all she had to do was down planes, it'd be fine, but she still needs to worry about other sources of dmg taken, such as torps, BB barrages, etc

Seattle on the other hand has chunky HP for a CL, and a 15% dmg mitigation on top lol

@timid current Oh, and I do have a +13 Sex bofor, but it's on Juneau instead. Dunno if I should put it on Seattle. I probably should, but too lazy to

[timid current]

i mean if its already working stay lazy

[light crystal]

Imma start working on +'ing the second set of Sex bofor tho, it's pretty worth. Focusing on finishing third set of 533mk9 torps for my torp meme defense, so might take a while

[timid current]

did you try cheshire at all?

[light crystal]

I honestly considered it, but I sorta dont wanna. I'm leveling her up anyway

Like I said, she's a CA with Medium armor, so even if she has good AA, she nerself might not deal well against airstrike damage taken, due to to the PvP combat mechanics

[elder crane]

It does

It's eff that doesn't

That and also torp dmg vs medium is much higher

[midnight heron]

ic

still weird tho if 100+ planes killed and they still can match my backline dmg

[trail temple]

There goes my 2595 finish

[dull hollow]

lmao
warspite using her skill
when both fronts are dead
but cvs arent detected
where she shooting son

[radiant brook]

Opposite lane

Even if there is nothing

[dull hollow]

she shot vertically up

and didnt hit anything

[midnight heron]

https://youtu.be/N2U04wNdiWg see this is what i mean by 100+ plane kills yet the match is still a close fight

cant take the whole vid cuz game bar only records last 30s but it'll do

i even got a helena proc on 1st strike while theirs didnt

guy had no juneau for heals either

or aa for that matter

vg was suzu/helena/ykkz ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude mortar]

hotfix 34mb

rib pvpers

p

[uncut agate]

[royal oyster]

could they not hotfix in the last 10 minutes. I got fucked

[trail temple]

^

DuoEnvy mentioned it so I fired up Bluestacks just in case

[royal oyster]

had to do 6 matches in the last 5 minutes

[candid sluice]

I didn’t get a hotfix not yet at least

[trail temple]

If that's how they organise hotfixes, wouldn't be able to organise a piss up in a brewery

[uncut agate]

crash damage doesn't increase with +11/12/13, right?

[crude mortar]

no

technically yes?

cuz it increase plane hp

if your plane hp > 30% it deal more dmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/722667960870895676.gif?v=1

[uncut agate]

[light crystal]

@midnight heron Yo, if u dont mid, can u tell me wut Planes/Aux were u running on ur CV's? I'm trying to confirm some stuff, thx

[plain lake]

I thought 33 was the max points obtainable from the first battle of the season, am I misunderstanding something about Cay's pinned chart, is it only approximate?

[midnight heron]

hiryuu: vf17 pirate +10, xsb3c +11, wyvern +10
nano: 2x 1k bomb fighter +10, xsb3c +13, ryuusei +10
both use avga + beacon +10

[light crystal]

Well, to keep it short, this is wut's happening: Ur VG softens up the enemy planes, then ur planes intercept and kill the rest. But that happens after they release their ordnance on ur VG.

Perhaps if u can intercept them with ur own planes first, possibly kill some, making it easier on ur VG

[midnight heron]

how to even do that tho

they already launch at the fastest possible time

[light crystal]

Wut Im thinking, is to drop the Helldivers and use Suiseis, the ones u make from the Lab

[midnight heron]

thats if i got parts to spare

[light crystal]

21.19s

22.45s

[upper cove]

The chart is more of a guideline in the sense of how many points you "should" be at after x amount of fights. You can very much get more than 33 but cay just had (or guessed idk) 33 when he made the chart

[midnight heron]

main prob actually is nano is so op in opsi

having to change gear everytime is a pain in the fking ass

the whole reason i even have ryuusei on her

[naive dome]

how is this team OP? I already lost 3 fight straight against it

[light crystal]

I dont bother, I prioritize peeveepee. Maybe get another Shinano next rerun just for pve kek

[midnight heron]

otherwise she be running cuda

[light crystal]

I actually got a dupe that run, but my stupid self didn't wait for the UR bulins to be stocked

[midnight heron]

lel

[light crystal]

Could'ce have 2 Shinanos, one for pvp and one for pve. oh well

[midnight heron]

still another pain the ass

[thin cosmos]

Seems you are weak

[midnight heron]

its good cuz almost everyone there buffs enty/essex and balti buffs aa as well

[light crystal]

I won this engagement pretty handily. Put Suisei on Hiryuu, the fastest, and got her sortie at 19s~, without Nagato

[midnight heron]

interesting

[midnight heron]

if more ppl stop using avga then maybe using faster planes will be a better counter

[light crystal]

I think so tbh

Oh and btw, I'm running Juneau/Leipzig/Seattle lel

Test subject

[midnight heron]

no way i can copy that vg cuz lvls

but i might just try and see how it goes

[light crystal]

I was robbed out of EoS third place cuz I was stalled out (Reset) on 2 battles due to same issue: My VG traded bad against theirs with Airstrikes.

So I've been trying to further improve my chances of my VG coming out alive against theirs.

[midnight heron]

for me vg fight is almost always a coinflip

so i would rather just focus on backline

[light crystal]

Leipzig has a good kit for this

[midnight heron]

i mean its good for stalling 1st strike dmg

[light crystal]

I wasn't running Lipzeing while going for EoS, but Juneau/YKKZ/Seattle lul

I have tried: Noshiro, Azuma, Suzutsuki, and of course YKKZ. So far, Leipzig is coming out on top. Would try Cheshire too, but dont have her leveled to 120

[midnight heron]

but could possibly be hardcountered by akaganano memes

[plain lake]

I see, thanks

[light crystal]

Yeah, that's why Noshiro is also another option, and frankly, probably right there up there with Leipzig

[midnight heron]

yea might just go back to using her

[light crystal]

It would be perfect if Safety First's immunity lasted for 8s rather than 5s, but it's workable for the purposes. Basically, helps ensure her eHP is furthe boosted by Juneau going down first and healing her lul

Also, 135% AA Eff, and 560 AA is pretty nutty

lel

[midnight heron]

aa radar new meta

[light crystal]

Pretty much

[midnight heron]

how does the team do against bb comps tho (just wondering)

[light crystal]

I mean, hardly anyone uses BB's, and ur own CV's should just dumpster them lel

Leipzig's speed is technically 41 too cuz of her Skill, so that's like DD speed, pretty useful

Oof, I've gone against this guy like an hour by now. But I really like the results (The first few times before I was running this exact set-up he sometimes dumpstered me with his planes, but I've been coming on top every time now). Wanna see if they stay consistent against other dudes with possibly better kits.

[midnight heron]

idk man the rare richi/jean/pers fleet can still get me if they got good shelling rng

but once the preload is over and they dont just outright destroy my vg then they die

[light crystal]

It was good science, thank you random dude

[abstract cypress]

still no hotfix for torpmemes

[sour oasis]

Why, are they broken?

[radiant brook]

Defense aux didn't scale with the power of the +13 blackened HMS torps

[dull hollow]

what's the best researchs for farming rainbow guns

do i just spam free researches or do the paid ones give more

or is the only differnece just BP or not

tryna get the 2 rianbow meme

20/50 for part 2

[sacred heath]

Free researches are crap

[ebon kraken]

free research

[sour oasis]

Cutting then down by 70% is a good defense. Heck, even 50% would prevent an instant kill, and the hiking aspect only applies to the first strike.

There are already tools on hand that do this. (Granted some are event locked...)

Not to mention evasion auxes.

[dull hollow]

Ok not the

6hr garbage free research

But the 1 or 2 hr ones where u cough up some plates

Ive had a few ppl tell me they give more gear parts

[thin cosmos]

there are no free 1hour research

[thin cosmos]

seems you don't understand scaling

[sour oasis]

I do. I also understand discounts.

[thin cosmos]

I don't think so

[sour oasis]

Not my fault you can't.

[thin cosmos]

full set of 10 gear vs full set of 13gear

[sour oasis]

Is still not unbeatable.

It's only torpedoes.

[thin cosmos]

attcking power increased nearly 20% while defense about 5%

[sour oasis]

I'm only talking about torpedoes.

[thin cosmos]

and you don't see how this work

[sour oasis]

Everything else is going to suck horribly for the +10 player.

[thin cosmos]

so that's why you don't understand what is scaling😋

[sour oasis]

Why are you talking about that and then quote me on this

Cutting then down by 70% is a good defense. Heck, even 50% would prevent an instant kill, and the hiking aspect only applies to the first strike.

[thin cosmos]

because at first the question wasn't about torp counting gears

[sour oasis]

Which first question are you looking at.

[thin cosmos]

Defense aux didn't scale with the power of the +13 blackened HMS torps

[sour oasis]

It always did.

It didn't scale well with stealth and main guns.

[thin cosmos]

then you had to say it always did like now not about gears

[sour oasis]

A +13 black HMS torp, hit-for-hit, does about 15% more damage than a +10 rainbow mag torp. After each consecutive salvo, fewer HMS torpedoes will hit compared to KMS mag torpedoes.
If ships live through the first salvo of black HMS torp, the +15%/added hits mean nothing.

[thin cosmos]

if you think about scaling

[sour oasis]

Scaling... The scope of PvP in general is now even more geared toward offense. But on torpedoes alone, the scaling was unchanged.

You may have to elaborate more on your position unless you want me to rant more about torpedo rock-paper-scissors futility.

[thin cosmos]

more attacking power than defending power was talked since the system was shown so totally now new

[sour oasis]

It's always been about more attacking power you mean.

[thin cosmos]

and since then a lot of people could see it can change balance

[dull hollow]

Wdym theres a 1hr reserach where u cough up like 10 grey plates

Gives some gear

2hr one for blue plates as well

[thin cosmos]

since torp hit fastest it gets the most advantage from that

[thin cosmos]

it's not free indeed but it gives some paper but would be low tier I guess

not so high chance for ur

[dull hollow]

Yah but ppl still reccomend u spam blue research for the paid ones

[thin cosmos]

moreover the key point here is you can't counter torp meme now

[dull hollow]

So im wondering if the blue plates search is good for gear

[sour oasis]

Incorrect. You can always counter it.
It may not be worthwhile, but counter has always been possible.

[thin cosmos]

cube the best and the gold research 2nd

[thin cosmos]

something to lose to everything else can't be counter or at least not feasible

[sour oasis]

Well that's the nature of a smart game. I thought you of all players would like that.

[thin cosmos]

plz don't cloud the issue

[dull hollow]

im looking for gear plates why would I use

[sour oasis]

Defenders could not do pure torpedoes, it would open themselves to more counters.

[dull hollow]

cube research

im dev 30 eveyrone

tryna get my 2nd rainbow gun

so for gear plates exclusively

im tryna figure out the best ones

[sour oasis]

So defenders don't use three torpedo-ship vanguard, and thus no big torpedo threat. ||(They will use two torpedo-ship and Azuma...)||

[thin cosmos]

cube give the most plate

[dull hollow]

cubes dont give any gear

[sour oasis]

I think the two of you need a consensus of what "plate" means.

[dull hollow]

besides the 30min one I think

im looking for gear only

i dont care about blueprints

[thin cosmos]

aha then 4hour gear

[dull hollow]

the purple one is best?

[thin cosmos]

yes as I know

[dull hollow]

well i figured that much

the better question for me was

if a Paid blue research show up

and a blue pay-with-plates research shows up

which one would be better then

[sour oasis]

Give an example of what is a paid blue research

[dull hollow]

2:30 1:30 ones

paid = gold for me

face or no face

[thin cosmos]

I don't have enough test results for them

[dull hollow]

[thin cosmos]

both gives some amount

[sour oasis]

OK. That's what I wanted to know.
The pay with plates is better; it is faster and purely gives gear. Most importantly it is faster.

[dull hollow]

but like i wonder if the quantity/quality rolls

skew it the other way

iunno

how research weights wor kstill

[sour oasis]

They're both terrible at giving good things.

So it's a quantity of taking a lot of terrible options and paying plates versus taking slightly fewer terrible options and paying gold in the same period of time.

[sour oasis]

Research is another gatcha.
Just opt for more pulls until a quality option shows up (eg the Q0xx-MI 4h purple plate quest); then do that white praying.

[sinful pewter]

I mean the only real reason you do the 1 or 2h plates is to reset your options until a rainbow face comes up

[sour oasis]

@dull hollow I'm curious if there's a specific piece of gear you're trying to get.

[dull hollow]

only rainbow PR2 gun

everygthing else

dont even care

dev 30 everyone

max fate sim ready for pr3

do rainbow faces even give gear

well it's 30 min so it's praobly good regardless

[sour oasis]

Anecdotal evidence: I've gotten half of my twin 457 blueprints from C, E, and T research.
C are the time-heavy ones, E are the 'scrap gear or designs' ones, and T are the terrible ones that count how many commissions you've done (the amount they reward you for the time they cost is terrible).

[sour oasis]

No wait, if they use cubes they don't.

[mint hornet]

they don't drop research gear, only generic stuff

[sour oasis]

But generally just quantity. Both in how many research projects you can do in a day (any short one), and on if they spit out a lot of gear reward (Q/plates or E/equipment)

[dull hollow]

i have a personal superstition that doing the purple paid non-face one (4hr)

has always given me the most rainbow stuff

but honestly i just

dont know

[sour oasis]

Go with it. RNG is a fickle mistress.

[dull hollow]

also for me

it rly feels like any thing with a face on it gives lower rainbows

if it's not dedicated to a UR ship

i could just be making stuff up in my head

[sour oasis]

Well, the face ones focus more on ships.

[dull hollow]

but i dont know if like

[sour oasis]

The gear (Q/E) ones are just gear. So they have 'the most lottery tickets' that give just gear.

[dull hollow]

the Face researchs are literally the same as a non-faced

the diff being

they are garnateed to give 1 of the face

[sour oasis]

And they cost coins 💰

For that guaranteed ship blueprint, they cost a little more than the regular gold-cost research.

[dull hollow]

"Despite the "Cognition" name, this type does not award any Cognitive Chips. Compared to the other coin-costing G type, these projects tend to produce more Strengthening Units and fewer Equipment Designs."

[sour oasis]

[dull hollow]

unless the wiki is wrong

"This type consumes Coins. Compared to the other coin-costing D type, these tend to produce fewer Strengthening Units and more Equipment Designs."

wel lthat's that i guess

avoid faces if Ican

[sour oasis]

@dull hollow you'll get your twin 457. Almost guaranteed before you get a dev 30 FdG or Azuma. ||(Unless you whale on cube research)||

[dull hollow]

wdym

i hit dev 30 fdg and azuma ages ago

im looking for my 2nd twin 457

[sour oasis]

[dull hollow]

im dev 30 drake with 1 rainbow CA gun too

and im still relatively slow compared to most ppl

tho there is a myth that JP has worse research rates than other regions

[sour oasis]

I'm still 110 blueprints (down from 180 two months ago) from D30-ing Azuma and FdG and just 9 prints (down from 40 in the same period) from my 2nd 457. 🎲

I don't even want a 2nd 457.

[dull hollow]

https://streamable.com/9g1sf5

twas a good day

i want the 2nd 457

because there is a specific pvp comp

that uses both

[silent ocean]

almost there myself

[dull hollow]

along with Persues

for some funny detection memes

[sour oasis]

me your dev 30 progress for my 457 progress

But bringing up funny detection memes, PvP has the potential to go into a twisted place with all sorts of things to expect (instead of one most-efficient team). New players may be locked out of the higher rewards in the current system if they don't have a diverse navy and armory.

[dull hollow]

the devs havent done shit with pvp

in 3 years

it's a dumb elo system anyway

coz it just makes ppl play chicken forever

which is why i gaveu p ranking for pvp

and i just fight strong comps for fun

ranking be damned

[sour oasis]

That's sensible.

[uncut agate]

Here's an interesting incident my friend had last season

It was the 4th day before EOS

[sour oasis]

Yeah, they hit the cap. It's still nice seeing +49 when others at the time are just seeing +9.

[crude mortar]

ew jp server

[main lava]

What is BiS for Azuma secondary rn?
Baguette, Tashkent or KmsAp?

And for aux pr rudder + cosmic shoes? Or speed is no longer needed and roll with beaver tag?

[thin cosmos]

I'm using kms ap +shoes but beaver+nelson flag seems better if you use yuki.

[upper cove]

supposedly it goes kmsAP > baguette > tashgun
and you just do rudder/shoe or rudder/badge, although normally badge is on backline

[thin cosmos]

but not much difference as I think

[upper cove]

ya all the differences aren't really going to make up how wildly rng can sway the fight

[main lava]

Ic, thanks

[radiant brook]

Is skypirate > barracuda now?

[candid sluice]

Why

Slower reload and much lower crash

[north vine]

goodluck hitting extra torp of skypirate to compensate the shitty crash

[candid sluice]

Skypirate is garbo in pvp

[trail temple]

Feel free to test it yourself and prove otherwise but it's nowhere near as useful as cuda

[north vine]

but in the end the conclusion will just be wyvern or nah

[timid current]

3 +13 wyverns when

[thin cosmos]

at least year just for 1080 plates

if you buy plate from shop, maybe in 10 month

[timid current]

for me the problem would be wyverns

[candid sluice]

@elder crane did you get your second wyvern yet?

Just got my first

[midnight heron]

already 2nd guess i'll just lose pvp from now on

[uncut agate]

[candid sluice]

Same take a break till I get four of em

[abstract cypress]

u could win with memes on flexington

[light crystal]

I'm telling u, its all about the Interception CV tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

[radiant brook]

[uncut agate]

I'm still 4 prints away from my 2nd wyvern

[radiant brook]

5 here

[candid sluice]

Messer new meta

[light crystal]

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/742542165565243502.gif?v=1

[candid sluice]

Nagato 🚮

[midnight heron]

has anyone tried nano + double ryuu

[trail temple]

You'll end up in whiff city

[midnight heron]

but u cant whiff crash dmg

[upper cove]

If you're crashing why would you run ryuusei

[candid sluice]

Use double cuda

[midnight heron]

double ryuu as in the cv

lul

[candid sluice]

Ryuuhou or hiryuu m

[midnight heron]

the actual sister ships

sou + hi

since crash dmg gonna become more meta might as well add their free avi

[candid sluice]

What does souryuu do

[midnight heron]

+35% avi for themselves if both in fleet and plane barrage

[radiant brook]

@crude mortar

[sour oasis]

Until then it's also A-Kaga time (again) with early strikes

Time is a flat circle

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757331467998199898.gif?v=1

[leaden sky]

[crude mortar]

i didn't even equip my plane

rainbow plane on perseus in OS

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/804177324852772884/4KW10F2KKK2G7FSY8Y6.gif

[candid sluice]

Wyvern in pve? Cringe!

[radiant brook]

Does ykkz oath skin still makes her hitbox smaller?

[upper cove]

no iirc

[elder crane]

No luck sadly (and also I slacc on farm)
Still only 5 general + 2 plane UR

[candid sluice]

“Only”

[distant token]

imagine having wyverns smh

[glossy meteor]

welp guess im not going to have a good pvp run
missed a exercise recover and lost 5

[radiant brook]

🇫

[distant token]

F indeed

[dull hollow]

[trail temple]

One is not like the others

[light crystal]

Tbh, it's not a bad idea to skip on using HiryuuKai 🤔

[distant token]

i love hiryuu, the balanced 1v3 carrier

[light crystal]

Using Miryuu has its downsides though. You trade in for some nice barrages, in lieu of survibability (Both in HP and cuz of lack of Blue Skill), and lower Efficiencies on the Fighter/DB slots. Also, no synergy to get Shinano/Nagato buffs.

[sturdy basalt]

need some advice on my attacking fleet made it to almost admiral of the navy last season (had enough points but didn't get quite make the top 10) lower power score since still working on gear and i'm able to take out most everyone just want to see what I can improve since i'm not super good at this type of stuff

[uncut agate]

are you raising a juneau?

[sturdy basalt]

not atm no

[timid current]

well thats a must

[sturdy basalt]

alright i'll do that then, thanks

[radiant brook]

Tank must be noshiro or azuma

Both are time gated

[covert swallow]

juneau isn't needed, especially if he's on amagi

also I was curious, do the hp bonuses from both of these stack?

[leaden sky]

No afaik, same effect doesnt stack

[light crystal]

Swap Laffey out for Juneau instead, put Control Party and/or Pearl on her, and put her lead to tank/heal. Then swap out Saratoga for any of the following: Any other Essex, or Centaur, or heck, even Taiho. Bottomline, Sara is not made for PvP at all. U could also use either Hiryuu or Shinano, but up to u, whether u got them and/or want to use those two.

[sturdy basalt]

Alright thanks

Time to work on a few more ships

[light crystal]

Also, if u got Ranger 120 for any reason, u could even try to use her instead of Saratoga as well, and see how RNG treats u

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

[sturdy basalt]

Sweet. Think ill try shinano, have her fully promoted so might as well give her a shot

[light crystal]

Solid choice, can never go wrong with Shinano

Long term, if ur using Shinano, might wanna use some IJN CV's, like the Cranes, the Bunnies, or even the Foxes, cuz Shinano buffs IJN CV's

[sturdy basalt]

Ok, have all of those except if I think who it is one of the bunnies. Only one I didnt pull during shinano event

Ill have to work on a defensive fleet as well but one thing at a time

[dull hollow]

ive had an enemy nagato + helea chain proc

for 7 runs in a row

where the Dream stans at

gotta report ths guy

8 runs now

9

[candid sluice]

For now just use the highest lvl ships u have and see how that goes, for long term you’re gonna want to raise a juneau and hiryuu
Also if you’re looking to just hit aotn once then you should know when to rush (for amagi it’s around week 2 Friday last refresh)

[sturdy basalt]

ok, good to know, thank you

[dull hollow]

helena with hiyrano a bit obnoxious

has a 80-90% chance to full wipe your front

wonder how it stacks up vs full black torps

[light crystal]

I keep finding that Hiryuu isn't really as clutch as before in actuality, u can get by without using her 🤔

Ultimately, the IJN CV's do benefit the most in this Wyvern meta, as they tend to have high TB Slot Efficiency, with large number of planes on their their TB slots. So it has to do more with that then Hiryuu being particularly that good, beyond Blue Skill

[sturdy basalt]

well I have akagi and kaga

[unreal storm]

i find hiryuu nice as a counter to enty

[sturdy basalt]

wait you said any other essex, is shangri la good for now? she's more usable atm than the others

others need a lot of leveling up

been slacking on ijn in general sadly

[light crystal]

I think they're fine. Better than Sara anyway. I haven't used them myself, so can't really say personally

[sturdy basalt]

ok thanks again

this is like the one game I actually enjoy pvp in so want to be decent at it

[candid sluice]

I use hiryuu against other hiryuus just as a backup in case it comes down to just a few ships

That 15sec window can determine if u win or have to reset

[radiant brook]

It's like being in Amagi automatically undermines your achievements

Like AoTN in amagi? Just get ignored because it's amagi

[sturdy basalt]

probably why i'm enjoying pvp, somewhat of a handicap since amagi is newest right? but like to think I did good for my first time trying when I never pvp this is about where I peaked I think

[dull hollow]

If youve ever attacked into any non hiryuu comp, no matter how stacked, with your own hiryuu

It's so free

Wyvern and shinano only properlled her back to being topper than top

[unreal storm]

yeah hiryuu is really nice, only time it doesn't work is when the lucky e procs have really good timing

[candid sluice]

You started in the perfect server if you’re doing pvp, everyone has the same-ish ships and the event limited ships everyone doesn’t have (noshiro) it doesn’t mean any less getting high rankings there compared to other servers

We just have different standards

[sturdy basalt]

figured, amagi is the newest one so at least I have a chance to get good before things hit hard eventually

[covert swallow]

yea amagi is a lot easier, especially if you got shinano like you said

[candid sluice]

Never servers = more friendly to newer players

[mint hornet]

A 2600 in amagi would be more impressive than most other servers
Because there's a smaller population there

[candid sluice]

Which is why I started in amagi and not avrora lol

Yea highest I’ve ever seen is 2581

[covert swallow]

noshiro rerun is coming after ashen I believe, so us amagi players have that to look forward to I guess

unless you're like my friend who despises ijn ships

[sturdy basalt]

ashen soon? well fuck I need to save cubes, more here to collect waifus and iirc a lot of the eagle union ones I need are there

[mint hornet]

Most likely next Thursday

[covert swallow]

yea ashen is next event, and then I'm pretty sure noshiros event is coming "soon" after that

[candid sluice]

Next week

And noshiro event should be the next rerun after that

But not guaranteed to be anytime soon

[leaden sky]

Im wondering who's the new ship for rerun

[sturdy basalt]

well at least I got here in time for shinano and started in time for noshiro,

[candid sluice]

Shinano is def a good pick up

[covert swallow]

I'm finally converting to the hiryuu retro cancer

[sturdy basalt]

I have her at 7 star so just need to level her

time to finally succumb to the ijn fleets I see all the time

[covert swallow]

[candid sluice]

As long as you’re not using nagato it’s fine

[sturdy basalt]

didn't join in time for her event run

[candid sluice]

That little 40% loli flagship goes in the garbage bin where it belongs 🚮

[sturdy basalt]

iirc joined when sandy event was going on

or whatever was before howe and perseus

[candid sluice]

I joined during perseus event

[covert swallow]

what's wrong with nagato

[sturdy basalt]

perseus has hard carried me in mob fleets so far, going to have to get rid of her for akashi since world 13 is next

thanks once again tho, I'm actually excited to do pvp for once and its a weird but nice feeling

[light crystal]

I just dont think it''s so clear cut anymore with that

Like in theory, it should be like that, but in practice, I find it doesn't really matter lol

[covert swallow]

the only fleets I ever have to reset against are hiryuu fleets

[light crystal]

This is interesting, probably works better on attack ofc, but still. I like the synergy he's going for

[covert swallow]

one of my guild members runs shinano/akagi/kaga and it works pretty well

[light crystal]

Case in point. Nagato died, and if it weren't for Atteck bonus, I would've lost kek

On the first Airstrike exchange, both of ours whiffed the other's VG lol

Easier "win". Both of us have Wyverns btw

[unreal storm]

i find that attacking is easier, because i can set my bb to hit the priority target first

[light crystal]

Defence does have certain advantages, mostly due to positioning of VG tho. They spawn and move closer to ur BL, so they got an easier time hitting long range torps on them, and also tend to wonder into your blue line and fill the spotting bar of ur CV's.

[candid sluice]

Akaga in defense is garb

[midnight heron]

time to try in offense

[light crystal]

Should be OK on Attek

If they use good gear, specially Wyverns n wut not, they got the alpha to murder shit, specially on Offense lel

[radiant brook]

Fakkyu projectiles

So that's the projectile spelled

[timid current]

i love the fakkyu planes lol

[midnight heron]

havent put gear camo in forever

[light crystal]

It's a shame they aren't oriented upright while on Defense to be read more easily, but still good nonetheless. I still remember how happy I was to have gotten 3 Fuck You BB shells so I could put on my triple BB comp for peeveepee

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

[timid current]

i only managed 2 fakkyu shells but i do have the "hai domo" which is still p good

[light crystal]

Alas, the CV meta beckoned. Well, the F22 Jet plane skills are also great, and I managed to farm a fuck ton of them, so all is good lol

Gotta peeveepee in style

[timid current]

thats a lot of acorns planes

the ultimate style is 3 red rocket torp skins tho

[light crystal]

Enough to run on an all triple CV comp

[midnight heron]

scared

best events were those dat gave gear boxes in missions

instead of having to buy for bloody 7k coins

[abstract cypress]

id say best skin are from HDN

this guy is cool af

also doggo shell