pvp

[abstract horizon]

the figher doesn't have any bombs but but she still takes mvp

[candid sluice]

Kills planes

Probably why she’s snagging mvp

[abstract cypress]

using fighter below 2x500lb is a waste

also toss that swordfish for dmg tb

[upper cove]

Swordfish does good enough damage, but if she's not slowing the vg for a specific reason it's not better than a cuda

[abstract cypress]

dmg tb = wyvern

[elder crane]

Also fleet power is useless crap

Just ignore it

[abstract horizon]

yeah im starting to think so too

[elder crane]

The reason we use it at all is it tells us what ppl have equipped cause stats have diff amts and weighting

[abstract horizon]

pairing it with shinano with ryuusei

[elder crane]

But like for normal vanguard, you expect 13.5-14k, any more and you know there's suboptimal equips

Main fleet is similar, with one exception (soon 2) you shouldn't see 16k on a proper setup

Best torps vanguard should be a bit above 15k at max, any more and it's using rainbow mags instead of HMS linear torps (either cause THEY DON'T KNOW LOL or didn't farm two more of the black torpedo aux equipment way back when)

[abstract horizon]

ive only started playing again back in November last year

but i played in 2018 for a month in avrora

so i dont really know things

[elder crane]

Fleet power only takes into account ship raw stats (+some other useless stuff)
It completely ignores efficiencies, preload, MGM+1, skills, or even what slot the ships have
Which hilariously means rainbow torpaux, for example, is best fleet power on all of vanguard units, even the ones who have 0 torps so they can't even make use of torpedo stat

[abstract horizon]

the numbers are intimidating so i always go for a lower one while being a higher rank

[elder crane]

You should kinda get used to this kind of thing out of what devs tell you
Most of the time anything they directly tell player is missing critical information
Sometimes so much so that what they do say is kinda useless....

All guns for example aren't to be trusted since there's a hidden damage multiplier that the game doesn't acknowledge exists in the equipment information

All of it ofc is on the external wiki though

Which is something to look forward to, players tend to try to make up the opaqueness from devs

[abstract horizon]

ok that changed my mindset

[elder crane]

Well, that and shot animation time which extends the reload time

Which surprise surprise, is not listed ingame

[silent ocean]

normally the ones around 14000 are the ones you watch out for anything above 15000 is food

[elder crane]

Sadly w +13 and torpmemes and wyvern and 457 that's not strictly true anymore, but ye it does go to show things

[abstract horizon]

does the time it takes for the shells to hit have an effect too

ap travels faster than he for some reason

[uncut agate]

Your brain will start ignoring fleet power after some time
I don't remember the last time I looked at someone's fleet power.

[abstract horizon]

the numbers they scare me

welp im gonna take these advices

and hopefully get out of captain hell

[elder crane]

Travel time stuff ye
Doesn't affect reload time, but does affect physical hitrate and stuff

[abstract cypress]

numbers are the last parameter to see

u need to be aware of fleet comp instead

[sour oasis]

Just don't lose
To be more detailed, winning needs four things: having a good mix of ship skills, having enough levels, having the correct equipment, and having a little luck either during combat or being paired with the right defender. (Or pausing and quitting before you lose and retry the fight)
Getting out of Captain without one of the four means you need more of the other three. If you're not flexing your ladder score (just want the merit rewards) you can just pick the easiest team to beat. (Just don't lose)
While fleet power is anything below 11k/11k is usually an easy and quick fight. Otherwise, you have to look at what the 12k+ teams are using; if the vanguard is mostly DD, it's probably going to be an easy fight, even if your team is under leveled. (Just don't lose.)
You'll get an eye for dangerous combinations; Akagi and Kaga have the early strike and can be harmful with a tanky frontline, Noshiro and Jintsu means expect torpedoes, etc)

[silent ocean]

@elder crane you think it may be worth using Sendai or is she not worth since the enemy vanguard can just out range her flare?

[midnight heron]

wtf is this kill count man shinano on drugs?

[sour oasis]

Juneau: 0, Shinano: 107

[midnight heron]

oh dw juneau died before naga barrage could even happen

much less shoot planes

[sacred oracle]

Planes count as kills yeah?

[uncut agate]

[elder crane]

What exactly is a 10 s flare good for
And the flare radius is not so large, ye, and she's very squishy

[radiant brook]

This is a painful picture

[slender atlas]

why painful.lol, just atk

[radiant brook]

Can't refresh, can't win

[sacred heath]

but you can reroll the fight until you win

[radiant brook]

Can't help but think that PvP is rigged to favour the defender

[candid sluice]

Dude what

We gonna ignore the 20% dmg reduction for attacker?

[radiant brook]

It means nothing when you see your side constantly fail to proc their rng skills

While the enemy team constantly proc that one skill that has a "40%" to proc

40% my ass, more like 100

Is sanrui good on her own? Or straight up horrible without richelieu

[trail temple]

She's outclassed by better options

[radiant brook]

Outclassed by event only CA/azuma/drake?

[trail temple]

azuma more so

[radiant brook]

And replacing RooM with sanrui won't help with anything?

[trail temple]

Hmmmm

Well she's HE so there's a plus there. I might be inclined to think Sanrui would be better than RooM

She also has speed going for her

[radiant brook]

Does a 110 sanrui able to replace 120 RooM?

[trail temple]

May need some more levels

[candid sluice]

Level difference is way too high

[radiant brook]

Guess I can't even reach t300 this season

[trail temple]

Chuck her in the dorm, do some 12-4

[radiant brook]

Already doing that

And 12-4, I'm saving oil for event

[trail temple]

8-4 also works

[radiant brook]

So can't do that now

Even if I can it will be a solid week before I can get her to 120

If I didn't run out of oil first

[candid sluice]

Then u can’t use her yet

[radiant brook]

Even if I got her to 120, is she straight up horrible without richy?

[abstract cypress]

daily rant thread

[candid sluice]

She’s not horrible but not the best

[radiant brook]

"not the best"

You mean azuma/drake is a direct upgrade?

[trail temple]

She used to be a meta option back in the day. She's HE so that works well against the current vg, her skill gives her a speed boost for most of the match

[delicate owl]

dev 30 sanrui is better than a not dev 25 azuma iirc

and sanrui is easier to max dev

[trail temple]

@elder crane Is your torp fleet ready? I rolled you so I can do some testing over my lunch break

[radiant brook]

Even without richelieu?

[delicate owl]

yes

sanrui, juneau, yukikaze is a viable vg

[sour oasis]

If both sides were equal you would see it favors the attacker. Otherwise, congrats on leaving Captain rank.

[trail temple]

I think I managed to hit vice admiral or admiral rank with a shitty fleet back in the day... Didn't understand what I was doing though

Warspite, enty, hiryuu (retro)
Prinz, ykkz, belfast

[sour oasis]

@radiant brook note they said viable; expect to restart fights a lot until you wipe out the defending vanguard.

[radiant brook]

Prepare to spend a lot of time to make them 120, only to see them getting crushed by cancer vanguards over and over again

[abstract cypress]

[sour oasis]

Welcome to PvP.

[empty grove]

[trail temple]

How to beat a "cancer" fleet? Use a "cancer" fleet yourself

Not like sandbagging is hard, right?

[abstract cypress]

dont use cancer fleet

its just makes u die inside

[candid sluice]

Just don’t pvp

[radiant brook]

"just don't PvP"

It's like saying "just ignore that purin"

[abstract cypress]

my kms fleet turn out to be suck

yostar why keep printing ijn bs

[candid sluice]

You don’t need to go high on ladder to get purins

[light crystal]

I wanna to get rid of Nagato, ngl

[candid sluice]

Just do your daily exers

[light crystal]

To that end, I wanna sub in Shoukek in instead

[candid sluice]

Yea ijn bias is

[light crystal]

Shinano/Shoukek/Hiryuu

[trail temple]

Has Kaine been poisoning you with anti-Nagato propaganda?

[abstract cypress]

my nagato is commslave since 2019

[trail temple]

[abstract cypress]

[candid sluice]

I’ve always hated nugget toes

[light crystal]

And Juneau/(Cheshire/Seattle)/Noshiro.

That's gonna be the new play

[candid sluice]

Party bcus I missed her event

But also bcus loli flagship wtf

[trail temple]

I am just waiting for Musashi and Yamato before I think about subbing Nagato out

[abstract cypress]

probably bismarck tier

[light crystal]

Nah, Shoukek includes fleet-wide damage buff (Now including self) and damage reduction

[trail temple]

Because it will depend on what their buffs are

[abstract cypress]

nagato is a mistake

[trail temple]

it's okay, she got nuked in the end

[abstract cypress]

then they print out mofo shinano

for fuckin CV meta

[light crystal]

Juneau/Seattle(Or Ches)/Noshiro could reasonably tank CV's and torps

Then u got ur high alpha CV strikes bulldozing through

[abstract cypress]

good thing E still relevant

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

E only relevant if procs, otherwise ueless.

[abstract cypress]

reset exist

[candid sluice]

70% syndrome

[abstract cypress]

[candid sluice]

Never procs

[light crystal]

Shinano/Shoukek/Hiryuu = Zero reliance on any proc, and still will bulldoze shit

Main problem atm

[candid sluice]

That actually sounds heat

Dorm queen

[light crystal]

I plan to level them both at once

But mostly plan to stick with Shoukek fo any actual PvP

Thinking about it, it's nice that Shoukek will reduce all CV and 2nd torpedo wave damage by 10%. That pretty much negates the need to use YKKZ for passive damage reduction on backline 🤔

Ur gonna have to hope u snipe one of the CV's off with torpedoes on first wave tho

Still dont know wuts best for triple CV setup: To run FM or WNT

[trail temple]

@elder crane Okay I have done the video, only 5 mins but the results are very conclusive. It's straight cancer

Much better than your previous defence setup

[abstract cypress]

torp memes back to meta now

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

If people have 3 black dildos, it will be

Otherwise oxy torps are just inferior

[abstract horizon]

do i replace the sg radar with washing machine. my warspite dies tge fastest because of her low level

i dont have afcr

[elder crane]

are you enjoying my first +13 torp

I'll probably bring one more then try some other setups

[abstract cypress]

because of her low level

u know the answer

[trail temple]

are you enjoying my first +13 torp
@elder crane I am not a masochist

do i replace the sg radar with washing machine. my warspite dies tge fastest because of her low level
@abstract horizon Would rather you replace shell with rudder, I am more in the defence camp for aux on BB

[abstract horizon]

ok ill do that

[light crystal]

T♿ rp meme

[light crystal]

Reminder PortKai is still relevant if u got no better tanks lol

[abstract horizon]

i ignored the numbers just like how you guys told me too. thank you enterprise

other dude was running confettis

[thin cosmos]

owarida

[abstract horizon]

ok thank god she only ruined 1 battle

[abstract cypress]

owaridead battle

[upper cove]

why did you let yourself lose

[abstract cypress]

i curse ppl who use e with shinano

[upper cove]

I curse them too
with death

cause free win

[abstract cypress]

ijn bs user cant relate

smh

[upper cove]

it is my sovereign duty to dab on every defense fleet I fight

especially KMS ones

[abstract cypress]

mein fuhrer

man kms need buff

w8 we just need bisco to dont suck

bisco was predicted to be UR

[upper cove]

nah bisko actually isn't the one being shit

bisco wasn't predicted to be UR btw

[abstract cypress]

it is

the wiki was using rainbow background

and also old gph dudes said it

[upper cove]

that was a joke from the wiki team cause back then no ship was natively rainbow, not even pr2 was out

and it was like "this ship is so rare, no one even has it"

but then actual rainbow ships showed up and then bismarck was released as a normal gold ship

[abstract cypress]

i really nvr see any good kms fleet

[upper cove]

there is none in pvp

[abstract cypress]

im gonna make it

[upper cove]

you could get away with it on offense cause lmaoFDG

[abstract cypress]

im usin CV build

[upper cove]

but there's not much to work with

[abstract cypress]

[upper cove]

bismarck/gz/strasser

it's somewhere between big brain and no brain and I can't tell where

[abstract cypress]

its big brain

[upper cove]

I would give the comp a spin
if it didn't require me to level strasser

[abstract cypress]

cuz everyone and their mom use ijn bs

my strasser still lvl 110

[upper cove]

hang on I gotta check something

[abstract cypress]

need like 1 month to max

[upper cove]

she has 2 red skills

peepoleave

[spark nest]

running few 120s in pvp because I’m leveling ships there

[uncut agate]

kms is a really fitting name for the faction in pvp

[abstract cypress]

skill maxed b4 lvl 100

[thin cosmos]

So can I see that video?

[trail temple]

I haven't uploaded it yet

Gimmie 45 mins, doing other stuff atm

[thin cosmos]

ok

np

[trail temple]

It's uploading now, till probably take 20 mins at least to be complete

[trail temple]

@elder crane @thin cosmos
https://youtu.be/TdOSDYOQBj0

[thin cosmos]

so nice

very high win rate

[midnight heron]

so broken bruh now torps fire in straight line

[trail temple]

Yeah, the buffs and equipment make this a better defence fleet than Blue's other fleet

Hurrah for British made products

[thin cosmos]

I made 3 hms torp so far but only 1 black oxy..

[dull hollow]

6 wyvern pvp comp actaully gonne be funny as shit

i tried it with cuda and u almost ohko enemy backs on first strike as is

now imagine basically doubling it cos of intercept

[abstract cypress]

ijn gettin more bs now

[granite flame]

It’ll always be favored to IJN

Who knows maybe one day some event or PR ships will shake up the meta like amagi did

[abstract cypress]

ofc it will be another ijn

[sour oasis]

Revenge of Ranger???

[sacred heath]

ranger only has 2 TBs from her single slot tho

[dull hollow]

what if she launches

multiple launches

[sour oasis]

Who are the CV with two actual dedicated TB slots? Ark, Glorious, Formidable..?

Oh I can see the slow memes already.

[uncut agate]

Hermes

[sour oasis]

[remote sage]

what kind of vanguard do I want for pvp? I've tried roon u to tank, sandykai to kill planes and prolong cv stealth, ayanami torpedo meme
also tried roon u helena minne and roon u london minne
can't really tell any differences, and I've yet to reach 15k vanguard power level

also can't tell a difference in tankiness with roon u, prinz heinrich, minne vs just 3 dds jav laf and z23

[trail temple]

15k vg is irrelevant. You want to be around the 13k-14k mark

Juneau, Azuma, x (ykkz/nosh/helena/some tech option) is ideally what you want to aim for

[light crystal]

Wut is the Power of 120/200, Jintsuu/Naganami/Noshiro, with Black/Rainbow Dildo each?

[trail temple]

I think that's close to 15k, but it's the only exception to the general rule of thumb

[light crystal]

Debating if to put STAAG/Halze on them, the extra bit of Hit will further bump Power a pinch

Last I checked STAAG is like extra 15 Power or something

[trail temple]

Yeah torp meme I would be wanting staags on them, since you'll blow up their CVs anyway

[sour oasis]

Depends on if your main fleet is worth stalling for. (we're talking about offense fleet right?)

[light crystal]

Seems like 20 then

Halze is 10

[sour oasis]

Why holo badge? HP buff?

[light crystal]

Yes

It helps against CV's

[sour oasis]

Ah. The seal of 4 gods (core shop) does about the same I remember.

[remote sage]

i looked at couple of those guides, all recommended PR ships or event limited ships I don't have
currently building juneau
was curious there was a certain setup for vg
my backline will either be a cv one or bb one
building a ijn cv main, and hms bb main
all my own tests with vg, seem samey since pvp isn't manual

[sour oasis]

@remote sage well, the frequent choices on offense are just 2: (1.) stalling vanguard (ships with invincibility or high eHP) + CV backline raining death or (2.) vanguard heavy offense (torpedoes) and supporting main fleet

Depending on what you want from PvP (xp boost for your ships, ranking merit rewards, or flex) you can try climbing the ladder past fleets you can beat (unless you're going for flex, then it's always fight the leftmost)

There is no such thing as a one-fleet-fix on offense (unless you're only facing one type of defense fleet on your server or everyone sets a joke defense fleet).

[remote sage]

atm just care about getting daily max merits with 0 losses, when the list is full of 14k/14k fleets and I refresh and get 14k/14k fleets again, have to take a loss

[sour oasis]

Eventually you'll want to power up two of every kind of ship: vanguard invincibility, vanguard tank, vanguard torpedo, main surface CV, main support CV

[sour oasis]

Are they the same 14k/14k builds? (Nagato Shinano Hiryu Juneau Azuma Yukikaze)

[remote sage]

mostly warspite and enterprise

[sour oasis]

Enterprise is RNG mostly
Warspite is pretty nerfed now; they won't target your backline until like half a minute in when stealth wears off normally.

[sour oasis]

Figure out how to punch through their vanguard. Bring CV with lots of surface damage, maybe make a torpedo meme vanguard (and quit-retry repeatedly).
Warspite can fight back, but CV have little defense against a charging ship.

[remote sage]

that's why I was asking about vanguard, I listed the ones I tried
if i use CV team, they launch too slow, if I use BB team they miss or don't target vg

feels like ayanami's quad mags miss, all the time, hard to tell if she's good or not

[sour oasis]

Torpedoes are RNG (because of those mag swerving), but when they hit they should do 2~8k damage each. Hence why torpedo vanguard are retry heavy (so they win on their first salvo).

[sour oasis]

Launching too slow sounds like an issue with equipment. Are your CV maxed out on reload, +10 planes, and have homing beacon?

[remote sage]

23s I think, equipment is good

[sour oasis]

-0:23 is pretty good speed to launch.

[remote sage]

ah I didn't know you were supposed to retry alot, I just go until results screen

[sour oasis]

Yeah, PvP is becoming more of a quit-retry (until you've got a good start/finish) hellhole.

Well, it already was, it's now more so.

[remote sage]

well then I def don't want torp squad, want pvp nice ez and fast like raids, just click couple buttons get my daily merits and hurry off to opsi lol

[sour oasis]

That's.. Probably not going to happen (because players will always put up flex fleets).
People are inconsistent and sick.

[light crystal]

I'm going to be putting up torp meme Defense in the near future that ppl are going to have to reset half the time against regardless wut they use. It shall be glrious

[sour oasis]

If I had nitro, I'd use the Cay Eld emoji here.

[light crystal]

Just as soon as my dupe Noshiro is ready, it shall begin. About 10 or so days cuz of Skill training being the main timegate. Otherwise can 120/200 her in about week, just like the first time

[sour oasis]

I still envy having spare rings.

And no, I'm not going to grind for them.

[light crystal]

Honestly, Imma be wasting 10 bucks (Ring), and 30+ Books for this, on top of about 20k Oil. But it shall be worth it

[remote sage]

is frontier medal good for pvp? -10% bb dmg? or will you end up killing your own vg too fast because +10% dmg to enemy cv?

[candid sluice]

In the right circumstances it could be great

[sour oasis]

Situational.

[light crystal]

Top tier in 3 CV teams probably

[sour oasis]

If you run 3 CV and defender doesn't, you come out "ahead". But only if both sides are equally equipped.

I run it with 2 CV, but that's only because I'm expecting my CV to outlast theirs.

[light crystal]

Shoukaku means passive 10% damage reduction at all times, besides preloaded torps at the beginning

So if using Shinano/Shoukek/Hiryuu, u could easily afford to put FM on Shinano over WNT, cuz of Shoukek

[sour oasis]

Can't wait for when PvP will have Hermes retro running two Wyvern.

I still don't like WNT unless I'm facing +13 torpedo meme defenders. I agree that regardless of the situation, if all things equal it gives the attacker an edge on attrition.

[remote sage]

how's the new meta hiyruu? the original still best?

[sacred heath]

original better purely because of final counter

[sour oasis]

Meta Hiryu still has her good points (as a CV who can protect herself) but original still has that invincibility.

[light crystal]

Also means u want her to get hit by torps against torpedo meme cuz she can tank them for the rest of the team

[elder crane]

Also Hiryuu w Nano and Naga buffs is just stronger than Miryuu anyways lol

Imagine dropping IJN designation

[radiant brook]

Full PR2

Snagged a win from that because Seattle isn't off tank and Kita died real quick

[sour oasis]

5/6 Azuma and FdG; meme flex

[trail temple]

Not 120 either

[candid sluice]

I smell free w

[radiant brook]

I did won against that

[spark nest]

« Flexing » lb1 or lb2 120 oathed DRs makes me laugh though

Always funny to see in pvp

[teal basalt]

thoughts about pvp champy?

ive used her quite a bit now and mixed overall tbh

does a ton of damage to be sure, but honestly her lack of bulk is a really major downside and its not something that can easily be worked around in pvp as much

im curious what others think of her

[elder crane]

Champ dmg is ok but not that great, no support skill, and is squish
And also lolBB in current meta :PortDoll:

Isn't terrible, esp since her preload helps kill vanguard if it lands, but by far not among the best

[teal basalt]

yeah i def prefer her in opsiren to pvp

been running richelieu/champy/gasco backline for a bit now

tbh want to replace champy cause shes just too squishy

gasco honestly has been surprisingly great

[sacred heath]

such culture

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

The man knows his stuff

[radiant brook]

How to beat this? Helena has manjuu

[sour oasis]

@crude mortar

[radiant brook]

Oh he's here?

Every time he uses an airstrike it guarantees the loss of my vanguard

And the vanguard kills planes so well that nothing reaches the back (CV planes can't reveal them)

[sour oasis]

Oddly they made that fleet to destroy main ships first. But yeah, that does happen.

[radiant brook]

This is some fucking unorthodox shit

Respect

[crude mortar]

LMFAO

[radiant brook]

My team, has a 120 monarch somewhere

[crude mortar]

you use warspite vs 3 cv

omae wa mou shindeiru

[somber axle]

The trick is to use sandy

[radiant brook]

Can't reveal them, it's always half full after first strike

Sandy at 108

[somber axle]

GG

[crude mortar]

omae wa mou shindeiiru

[radiant brook]

No not the earrape

[empty grove]

Just win

[crude mortar]

wait til i get 3 wyvern and balt

so i can destroy sandy

on offense i delete4-6ship with one air strike

[radiant brook]

Can you deal with well optimized IJN cancer with that on offense?

[candid sluice]

Use perseus

[abstract cypress]

USS

man of culture

best grill

[radiant brook]

@crude mortar nvm snagged a win against you, I put monarch opposite to enty and use her barrage to kill her, then Lucky E scumming my way to survive strikes from intrepid/essex

[somber axle]

Poor eri

[candid sluice]

[sour oasis]

Drama. ⭐:star:⭐

[radiant brook]

No offense that team is good

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757331467998199898.gif?v=1

what ijn cancer

ijn defense fleet isn't cancer for me

eldridge is

i beat meta easily but randomly reset againts random eldridge fleet

[radiant brook]

The copy-paste nanoryuu cancer

[crude mortar]

easy

[radiant brook]

Your defense fleet can reliably force final counter on offense?

[crude mortar]

first air strike

nagato dead

all their vg dead

their shinano hiryu red hp

[radiant brook]

Final counter didn't proc?

[crude mortar]

doesn't need to proc

20% hp sandy can beat full hp hiryu+shinano

[radiant brook]

Oh right

You just strap them full of parallel torps/AA radars?

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/806705643012489286/790652774978420837_1.gif

[abstract cypress]

thats a good jam

steal

[abstract horizon]

why do i always go for the right most opponent again?

[abstract cypress]

left

[sour oasis]

Is it right or left?
If you're looking to score flex, always left.
If you're just getting xp and merit, doesn't matter which as long as you don't lose.

[abstract horizon]

alr

[candid sluice]

Leftmost person gives most points

[abstract cypress]

and potential more merit

[night grail]

[bronze hedge]

Guys what is the meta now for pvp?

[crude jetty]

Hiryuu Nagato Shinano

[safe meteor]

that new Russian Cl prob wont be for pvp?

Every 15s in battle, 100% chance to fire a special barrage;

The first time this barrage triggers, special ignites enemies hit, causing them to take 15% more damage for 8s.

i guess Helena kai still better equipped with Manjuu?

[candid sluice]

Well i guess it’s more consistent than helena but then again barrage can miss

And helena debuff is stronger lasts longer + she can equip manjuu so yeah

[safe meteor]

yea

and only proc once, but that prob wont matter that much

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

[gritty cove]

But why are you upgrading them

[sour oasis]

Defensive headaches ahead.

[candid sluice]

[crude mortar]

wait til pvp ladder flooded with these torp +13 triple black dildo

[sacred heath]

i thought black torp didn't make the HMS torps homing

or is it just used for the first salvo buff

[crude mortar]

it make naganami able to deal 30k dmg to first 5s and her proc another 30k dmg

bALaNcE

[sacred heath]

so just for the buff, then

noted

wish i had farmed a third

[trail temple]

Yeah it does work now

(see my video where I come out with a sore butt)

[sacred heath]

oh neat

[upper cove]

Ya it just used to not work, been fixed

[sacred heath]

okay black torp + hms torp is pretty nice

i don't lose half the torps offscreen

[elder crane]

Yep

Thankfully most ppl don't have three black torpaux

So will only be a few of us fielding full cancer

And yes balans

[sour oasis]

Torpedoes are still mostly a headache for attackers; it's less reliable killing stuff on offense.

[light crystal]

I ain't using mine on Attack

Fuck resetting. I will leave it at ppl to deal with against my Defense instead

[sour oasis]

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

what's the crash damage on 4mi's albacore barrage

wonder if it's wort hreplacing it with a cuda

[radiant brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758215756990906398/814690786226602024/unknown.png

1. Is this a viable defense?

2. What a weeb

[uncut agate]

Exp fodder

they're not even all 120, so less exp

[upper cove]

Iirc it's the same crash damage as the fairy albacore, the plane she uses to proc barrage, and there's 2 of that plane

Which means it's more worth than cuda, but wyvern still wins cause wyvern lmao

[abstract horizon]

juneau yukikaze helena

will that work for vangaurd

[dull hollow]

year is 2022

Kashino's retro now dominates every pvp atk and defense team

trust

[gritty cove]

no pvp changes in year 2022

[sacred heath]

rank too high and can't get enough +10s to hit 2200

sufferingfromsuccess.gif

[outer owl]

oh i attacked them many times

good fleet

[trail temple]

1. Absolutely not viable as a defence team, it's a free win. Sadly they're not all 120 for the sweet 1251 base exp boost
2. Wehraboo*

[radiant brook]

Fuhrerboo?

[radiant brook]

Maybe it's not so hopeless after all, 6 losses this season (34 minutes before daily reset)

[trail temple]

I hope this isn't a misguided belief you'll be able to crack top 10 this season from there

[radiant brook]

How am I suppose to interpret that?

"T10 is impossible from where you are rn" or "t10 is doable, this isn't a misguided belief"?

[trail temple]

The former

[radiant brook]

Yikes

What about t50

[trail temple]

eos top 50?

Or just getting the fleet admiral rank and calling it a day?

[radiant brook]

Getting the rank and call it a day

[trail temple]

You don't have enough attempts

2225 is 50th spot rn

[radiant brook]

What about cranking all 15 exercises for tmrw reset?

Assuming I attack the right most and win, and no bonus (all +10)

[trail temple]

left, not right if you want to stay neutral on points

You're too far behind

If I gave you 5 exercises right now, you'll be ~30 points short

and that assumes no further movement

(i.e. no one else is climbing the ladder)

[radiant brook]

Oh I said it wrong

[candid sluice]

Aotn is pretty much impossible

[radiant brook]

Assuming if I attack left most and win all 15 exercises (no bonus, all +10) do I stand a chance to get at least t50?

[trail temple]

Nope

[candid sluice]

Doubt

[trail temple]

The score I quoted before is only gonna increase after reset

[radiant brook]

Yikes

Guess only t100 is doable

[trail temple]

You're at least 8 exercises short of top50 from where you are

[radiant brook]

Wait, so if I never lost a match since season begin I still won't be able to get t50? (6 losses atm)

[trail temple]

If you were quick with your wins, you might've been able to sneak into top 50

[candid sluice]

Have you been hitting leftmost all the time?

[radiant brook]

Yeah

The only time I didn't is when left most is unkillable cancer, then I fight 2nd from left

[trail temple]

and by quick, I mean 30 seconds

[radiant brook]

I could count the times it happened on one hand

[trail temple]

I got bad news

Top 100 is currently 2219

You're 20 short of that

[ashen lion]

Oh.. I don't know if I have 4 black dildo.

[light crystal]

Oh, it seems u can initiate the nuclear option defense. If ur on Washington, I implore u to use it 🙏

[trail temple]

Do it anyway

[radiant brook]

If Washington is like Pakistan with that amount of nukes (4 black torp+HMS torp), then avrora is like either US or Russia

[ashen lion]

My washington level is still 70

[light crystal]

[trail temple]

If only commander level dictated whether you could have a meme fleet

[elder crane]

@light crystal what's this about 4 of them?

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

someone mentioned earlier about having 4 black torps, and another said they should use it as a nuclear option

[candid sluice]

Why do you need 4

[radiant brook]

idk

[elder crane]

I mean I guess nice to have a spare for PvE?

but ye you only need 3

stat-wise the rainbow torps are better

[candid sluice]

Pretty sure what excield meant by nuke was the 3 hms + 3 blacktorp thing and the guy he was talking to happened to have 4 there’s no reason for a fourth one

Unless you’re using Odin or something lol

Can Odin even equip blacktorp?

[radiant brook]

only one way to find out

[elder crane]

Nope, Odin (or any other main) can't equip rainbow oxy either

blacktorp can't go on subs too

[candid sluice]

Damn would be funny if it could

Does Odins position line up exactly with opponents flagship?

[elder crane]

ye

[candid sluice]

Sooo she can snipe flag with hms torps?

[elder crane]

err

her torps are linear already

and they do not much dmg

also do they even reach?

I think you need 610s on her to reach enemy main

and not sure if that works either

[candid sluice]

Idk I don’t have odin

[elder crane]

anyways usually vanguard just intercept them anyways

and again her torp stat (and eff? idk actually) are 🚮 so they don't really do that much dmg

ok effs are actually good it's just the stat is shit (+ BC in PvP gets -20% dmg while CL get +15% and DDs don't get debuffed)

and ofc since main fleet unit her hitrate is pretty low too

[candid sluice]

Would’ve been a good meme sadly kms being kms

[midnight heron]

https://youtu.be/t9dmRRt2VjY

same backlines, i have sirius buffing avi, even swapped her out for ykkz for tests and results are consistent with this vid 90% of the time

https://imgur.com/a/1trE7J2 gear if it even matters

also note that at the 20s mark (10s into the fight), i get a better proc for hiryuu yet somehow his side is able to send more planes than mine

[uncut agate]

Vice is using wyvern

[midnight heron]

ahuh so u're supposed to just wipe the floor with 1 plane upgrade?

i call bs

[uncut agate]

I call bs too, my wyvern never does this good

I've faced the same situation many times even though the opponent wasn't using wyvern

[midnight heron]

the dmg diff is too big to just be "using a wyvern"

the 20s issue i mentioned also needs to be explained

how is it he can send more planes than mine

when im using fighters on shinano 1st slot for intercepts

[royal oyster]

having a wyvern is no joke

[elder crane]

okay so you know how we all worship crash dmg, right?

cuda is base 480 crash

wyvern is base 450 crash
but gets an extra round at 11s from interception
then another extra round at 22s from interception

so it's more like base 1350 crash (900 during strike + 450 during hiryuu barrage)

• almost double the total dmg on torps (4x320ish vs 3x288ish)

also notice his Shinano is not spotted (<-another wyvern effect)

which in PvP is roughly a 1.3 dmg multiplier on top of everything else

*Note that the dmg planes do checks for stats right before launching
His nano is spotted as she launches the strike, but that doesn't matter, she still gets the full stealth bonus

[candid sluice]

Fucking hell wyvern is busted 🛫

[trail temple]

It's probably one of the factors why Blue's fleet is a bitch to deal with. If you survive the torp volley of impending death, through some stroke of luck, his wyverns do work on you and you're like how did I go for from a favourable position to this?

Another dude on Avrora unleashed his torp meme def fleet (HMS torps ofc) but it was not nearly as threatening

[light crystal]

Member how I told u that guy had a strong defense but was using same exact team as me?

I think he was using Wyvern

Well, didn't pay enough attention, only fought him twice, first reset, then win, if I had the time then I might've tested it a bit more

[light crystal]

But otherwise his CV's were hurting my backline more than I was hurting him lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/815068654764687360/unknown.png

Amatir

Even on that win on 2nd attempt was a bit close for comfort iirc lol

Also Halo, use Sexbofor instead And Oath is possible as well

[sour oasis]

You and your 💍

[midnight heron]

wait so wyvern gets to intercept while not being a fighter? tf

[midnight heron]

i'll use it if i get one

thats just broken bruh

[elder crane]

Yep, and it has nearly as much base crash as Cudas
in practice maybe even more since it has much higher plane HP and so takes less %HP from AA

[midnight heron]

game breaking its own rules

[abstract horizon]

is hiryu warspite shinano any good

or should i replace hiryu with enty

[hot creek]

if anything, replace warspite with enty

Enty can cheese the current CV meta as long as you roll lucky E's

[abstract horizon]

my vangaurd consists of sandy yukikaze and helena

[light crystal]

Might wanna drop Helena for Juneau

Juneau/Helena/Sandi or Juneau/Sandi/YKKZ, either or

But Juneau is pretty much a requirement

[long lodge]

What’s the best pvp team

[mint hornet]

nagato hiryuu shinano 3x wyvern
juneau azuma yukikaze/noshiro/flex

or noshiro naganami jintsuu black torp aux w/ straight torps

[long lodge]

Alright thanks

What if don’t got Nagato?

[candid sluice]

That sucks

[light crystal]

🤔

U can sub Nagato out for a third CV

Shinano, Hiryuu, and Shoukaku

[dull hollow]

me waiting for the 6 wyvern meta in 2024

[light crystal]

Or use another BB in middle and put FM on them, I guess

[dull hollow]

6 cuda fleet meme already can chunk backlines into 20% or ohko if good torps land

[light crystal]

Like, maybe FDG or Richy

[candid sluice]

I use enty in place of nugget

[dull hollow]

6 wyvern will legit make enterprise meta again somehow

[candid sluice]

BB can’t use fm

[dull hollow]

whichever enty doesnt proc loses

[light crystal]

Shoukaku is probably better than Enty, more consistent

[dull hollow]

well, enty would be

5 wyvern

[candid sluice]

Probs yea

Gets shin buff too

[dull hollow]

guess we'll wait for the guy who gets 3 wyvern first

to report how silly it is

[light crystal]

Well, if ppl play regularly and keep choosing to convert the gen rainbow plates into plane ones, they're bound to get 3+ Wyverns in about 6-8 months

Lucc saccs can do it in about 4 months, I bet

[dull hollow]

if wyvern meta rly does become a thing

it's gonna turn into enterprise coinflip meta

[light crystal]

It's the Rise of the AA Meta

Or the torp meme, to snipe off CV at the start of the match

[dull hollow]

knowing cn dev logic

once we get the rainbow AA gun

cv are going back into the shitbox

[abstract cypress]

even sandy cant reliably kill planes

idk if ur aa even do smth

[light crystal]

Well, Sandi isn't the best AA solo carry tbh

Seattle and Cheshire are better, Sandi is mostly there to bring team AA up

[blazing crescent]

Fuel is better than tank for pvp right?

[uncut agate]

100/150 is better

[blazing crescent]

Thanks

[light crystal]

Georgia gun or Yamato gun?

[candid sluice]

What’s the stats on Yamato?

[light crystal]

About the same as FDG. Barrage is better tho

[candid sluice]

Oh I meant the gun

[light crystal]

Georgia

Damage will probably stay the same, as will Spread, and Coefficient with probably go up to 124% as well. I imagine it will also be AP+, so that leaves the RoF, which might either be tweaked, or be buffed for a certain ship(s) specifically.

[candid sluice]

Fuckin hell 30 sec reload

22 spread as well

[trail temple]

Might be a similar situation to the quad 356s

[candid sluice]

What does “lock-on” and “bracketing” mean?

[leaden sky]

Need those guns on gearlab to spend my mats on

[candid sluice]

Rainbow aa when

[uncut agate]

Bad opponent, quyet using wyvern

[candid sluice]

[shy hazel]

imagine celebrating 2k6

when na always breaks thru it

[sour oasis]

"Game's not dead yet."

[mint hornet]

[ebon kraken]

[mint hornet]

[vestal ferry]

@hot creek Hello, do you have a wyvern on your Shinano already?

[hot creek]

looks like i had ryuuseis equipped since finishing up opsi bosses. i swap back to wyvern now

[uncut agate]

so annoying to swap planes, sometimes i just let ryuuseis be

[sour oasis]

Soryu's there on her own. Akagi muse is there on her own, and above Akagi. What.

[light crystal]

If anything, Akagi Muse should be Tier 2 or lower, and Shoukaku Tier 1 or higher. Also, Perseus at T0 is questionable. Well, seems to be waifu biased tier list, so lets give it a pass.

[proper sorrel]

if anything, just abolish the list

[mint hornet]

people should stop linking his youtube videos lol

[candid sluice]

Lmao wtf is that tierlist

[abstract cypress]

at least theres helena tier

man of culture

[trail temple]

I think what can lead to a lot of ambiguity with tier listing is the lack of consistency between the definitions. For example some look at it from a general consensus of ships used (popularity), others may look at the the breadth and effectiveness of their usage or just how good they are when they're with their best setup (ignores whether someone is niche or not)

[candid sluice]

Percy warkai t0 bruh

[crude mortar]

i use bunches of untier ship to wipe that tier list

feels bad

[upper cove]

agnet

[somber axle]

[proper sorrel]

lmao

[candid sluice]

[outer owl]

fuk what does eos even mean

mr google is giving me end of service and evolution of smooth

[uncut agate]

End of season

[shy hazel]

end of sweating too

[trail temple]

We haven't hit 2600 for quite a few months now

[shy hazel]

what

oh its because the mods here keeps banning the relevant players so they quitting

[trail temple]

shots fired

[radiant brook]

Is avrora AoTN so competitive that simply getting all +10 every exercise is not enough?

[crude mortar]

welcome to avrora

aotn EOS isn't aotn

[radiant brook]

No I mean just touch AotN and get the merit

Is just +10 every round not enough?

[elder crane]

Is probably short even with rushing ye

but if you just get a few incidental bonus it's enough

no need to go out of your way to get them beyond keeping to 5/10 and seeing if you get one bonus each round

[upper cove]

nah the game just hasn't been the same since genshin released 😔

[radiant brook]

Yikes guess sandbagging is outright required then

[crude mortar]

no

just rushing x5 before reset

reverse rusher

also guarantee aotn

[upper cove]

halfbagging can get you aotn
maybe not eos but at least get the bonus

[crude mortar]

im super low efford bagging still can reach 2580

sometime 2590

[radiant brook]

What happens if refresh takes place in your sleep?

One of the refreshes takes place at 3am for me

[upper cove]

if you're going for true low effort

just push to 0 before you go to sleep

[trail temple]

Go to 5 before you sleep

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper cove]

5 works too
if you wake up early enough

[crude mortar]

do alarm

i wake up in the middle of the night

do x5

then sleep

[candid sluice]

Just casual bag

Do exers 15 mins after reset

Hope one of your matchups rush

If u don’t want to lose sleep

[crude mortar]

you gonna get -1 at some point

-1-1-1-1-1-

[candid sluice]

Ye or just wait till someone else moves lol

[sacred heath]

so do yall high-EOS people just take the L with +9s tonight or what

'cause i'm out of resets

and doubt i'll be able to get 5 +10s

[candid sluice]

If reset is soon then u gonna bite that bullet

[sacred heath]

[trail temple]

I went full defeatist this season

[candid sluice]

Can’t rly do much in that situation

Unless ur ballsy enough to refresh game and pray one of ur matches moves in that short time frame

[sacred heath]

yeah i'm not gonna take that chance

not when i'm still 5/10

[candid sluice]

That’s why I just take the L and move on

Better -1 than -10

[sacred heath]

yeah

[crude mortar]

eos people always doing last 5min

cuz if you dont do last 5min

then other eos atk you

for +1

[sacred heath]

eh whatever

i'm just glad to finally have a season i didn't fk up

[crude mortar]

if the guy that could give you point jebating you

by putting skunk missile fleet

and you get stalled

you lose 1

[candid sluice]

How many exers can u reasonably do in 5 mins tho

[crude mortar]

it over

5

[candid sluice]

Damn

What tf do u use for fast clears

[crude mortar]

35s each

nowaday people going for 7-8min

and hold last 2 charge

[sacred heath]

not gonna blow any minds but here i am

took two -1s

guess i'll gamble on the last two

[crude mortar]

staying 7/10 and do at last 3-4min

[sacred heath]

i'm sure i just gave someone a +2

[radiant brook]

What's with naganami missile strat?

[crude mortar]

HA

[candid sluice]

How do u win that quickly and consistently tho

[sacred heath]

HMS torps + black torp aux is so hot these days

[candid sluice]

What fleet u using

[crude mortar]

try to sandbag high rank

then you know

what naganami missile mean

[candid sluice]

Esp with skunk nukes

Backline go boom

[crude mortar]

you cant win consistently vs skunk

that just impossible

[candid sluice]

Feelsbad I didn’t farm more blacktorp

[radiant brook]

What does it do

[candid sluice]

Nuke your backline

[trail temple]

Beats the crap out of you

[crude mortar]

it just delete 5 of your ship in 10s

[trail temple]

Worse than whatever you have seen so far

[candid sluice]

It’s better on def right

[sacred heath]

@radiant brook imagine if half your magtorps didn't go above and below the map

and actually hit something

[candid sluice]

Hms torps whiff more often on attack for me

[radiant brook]

Met one earlier and all 6 died at once

Can't even react and restart

[crude mortar]

lmfao?

[candid sluice]

Do u not use hiryuu

[trail temple]

and you're still trying to get aotn?

[candid sluice]

15 sec timeframe to hit restart

[crude mortar]

i dont have problem vs missile strat

[radiant brook]

I don't, not even manjuu

[candid sluice]

[crude mortar]

using helena 65% torp reduction with triple torp bulge

ez

[candid sluice]

Lmao

Torp bulge on backline

[crude mortar]

first air strike delete 5 ship

how to lose

no

torp bulge on all vg

if you dont eat the torp

your backline dead

[candid sluice]

Yea ik

[crude mortar]

pick1

dodge the torp and your back line is dead

or just eat the torp

i just use juneu noshiro henela with triple bulge

having like 50%+ winrate

[candid sluice]

Good thing that defense hasn’t reached amagi yet

[sour oasis]

It would take a concentrated effort to brainwash Amagi regulars to think that level of aggro was the norm.

Double edge of missing Noshiro.

[mint hornet]

was the black aux event after amagi server was created?

[crude mortar]

if you had big black dildo you can still doing it with ibuki

[sour oasis]

It's either a long running gag or they've become a caricature.

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-gif-11478682

[sour oasis]

Think so. It was the Perseus/Howe event. (Aug/2020)

[candid sluice]

Yea it’s way after

I have a copy

I’ve tried it with ibuki but her second preload misses more often than not

First wave sometimes connects but still inconsistent

[trail temple]

Yeah Ibuki isn't a great choice for black torps

[candid sluice]

Maybe it’s different on def but I don’t have anyone to test with

[trail temple]

You're better off going double rainbow dildo with rainbow quints tbh

[sour oasis]

Because it would take a lot of effort. It's like Marathon Man (1976); vet actor Lawrence Olivier looking at a young Dustin Hoffman 'method acting' through a torture scene and with a puzzled look just asks 'have you tried just acting?'

[trail temple]

For Ibuki that is

[candid sluice]

Are there any ships that buff ibuki other than nosh?

[trail temple]

Does that not explain what we've witnessed from the previous seasons?

[sour oasis]

I forget how long it's been going on; sure why not.

[sour oasis]

Kasumi (15% TRP boost), Choukai (every 20s, chance to boost TRP 20% for 10s)
König sorta (15% reload), Ziggy sorta (10% TRP)
Matchless and Tanikaze have generalized torpedo buffs (% chance to do 40% more TRP damage when hit with torpedo; 8s cooldown)
Kii (+10% TRP), Nagato and Mikasa (as flag 20% reload and hit) of course have general IJN buffs

[shy hazel]

so erika

when will u get banned here

[mint hornet]

[somber axle]

[sour oasis]

Assuming additive boosts, Ibuki sortied with Noshiro (+20%), Choukai (% to get +20%), and Kii (+10%) can get a 1.5 TRP multiplier. Plus reload boosts from Nagato, and debuffs from Shinano.

Is focusing on Ibuki that much worth it?

[radiant brook]

What did Erika do

[sour oasis]

Kanzaki things

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-javelin-shock-face-azur-lane-bisoku-zenshin-shock-gif-19918420

[candid sluice]

Wasting a vanguard and backline spot? Absolutely not

[sour oasis]

If it's just Ziggy and Noshiro, it's still a pure 30% boost and they're not terrible. (Ziggy gives you some speed)

But Ibuki isn't Azuma.

[light crystal]

Not alot of ppl got double Wyverns, do they? I mean, I've been doing OS since day once and pretty much not missed anything, and I'm still 2 plane BP's away from a Wyvern. The amount of lucc sacc one must be to get 18 BP's borders on the hacc levels, I swear

[sour oasis]

Take on Donald Trump

[light crystal]

I doubt Donald has 2 Wyverns, I'd need to see a vid about it to believe it

And does he uses skins on his planes, cuz that'd make it even harder to tell

[crude mortar]

dont mind donal trump fleet

his nagato proc twice and my enty didn't proc twice and i still win

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/804177324852772884/4KW10F2KKK2G7FSY8Y6.gif

[light crystal]

Tfw equipment skins being actually tactical useful at hiding wot u got is an actual thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814081515448565812.gif?v=1

Equipment skin toggles when. Jk ofc

[sour oasis]

It's a giant wall of torpedoes. Granted I find his vanguard more dangerous, but those things (even if it was just one) send out hard to avoid damage and intercept my own airforce.

[sour oasis]

It always was 🕵️

[candid sluice]

I highly doubt anyone has two wyverns yet unless they pick up like 12 plane prints in the past two resets

[light crystal]

Thats wut I said, u need hacc levels of voodoo magic or straight cheating to be at 2 Wyverns right now. Maybe during this reset, I can believe lucc saccs getting a second, but not right now.

[radiant brook]

So you mean we should use skins on defense to prevent others from figuring what are we using

[crude mortar]

i have a reverse wyvern

[trail temple]

Only if you have something to hide

[radiant brook]

Like wyvern?

[crude mortar]

reverse wyvern

imagine all of torp change into plane

wtf

[trail temple]

deconstructed wyvern

[crude mortar]

need 3 wyvern

[light crystal]

Well, I never used my skins to hide shit, just to flex skins themselves or cuz I thought they looked cool/cute, etc.

[candid sluice]

I can’t be bothered to equip skins bcus it always comes off when I swap equips

[light crystal]

Imagine swapping ur PvP kits

Thats the main reason I'm leveling up second Noshiro btw

Isolated Torp Meme Noshiro, and general use Noshiro.

WiP, ginal config will have HMS torps and rainbow dildo. Nepgun may stay, or may switch to Seattle, we'll see.

General Use Noshiro

[empty grove]

[candid sluice]

Why

I can’t be bothered to raise two shinanos

[trail temple]

Too lazy to change

Tbh, I would actually raise a second Shinano

[light crystal]

In hinsight, I should've also had raised one

Fucking swimming in UR Bulins now, and I did get the second dupe

Oh well

[trail temple]

We'll (hopefully) get another event soon

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

Octoenvy beat u

[sacred heath]

Fkn shit I dropped 2 tonight

That's what I get for trying to sandbag

[trail temple]

I refused to do my last exercise

[uncut agate]

i ended with 2571 and one loss

using pvp for leveling some ships

[candid sluice]

2569 missed one exer

[deep glacier]

Famine destroyed the season

[trail temple]

We don't call it collusion lane for nothing

[radiant brook]

Is Nelson flag used seriously in pvp?

[trail temple]

Maybe if you're running double BBs

[radiant brook]

Guess I don't have to get it thenb

[trail temple]

Not essential, no

[candid sluice]

Damn 2600

[trail temple]

Here's some more 2600s

[radiant brook]

Is that from some different 大佬?

[trail temple]

TW server to be precise

[proper sorrel]

holy frick they're competitive

[radiant brook]

@trail temple rip social credit score, now that you mentioned "that country that shall not be named"

[trail temple]

It's only applicable in West Taiwan

[empty grove]

Damn PVP must be easy over there bro

[radiant brook]

I feel like CN pvp is 10x worse than EN avrora

[empty grove]

I also still find it funny people think 2600 is even impressive

[abstract cypress]

winning pvp here is like winning on gacha

new season time to try again

[elder crane]

If you don't run WNT maybe
Otherwise aux slot is a bit short

[sour oasis]

I started with 130, rushed whenever possible, and suffered a loss. Still got 2555 on Avrora while picking up AotN on refresh 2 day 12 (earliest possible). Guess that means I'm super now.

[cunning flower]

somehow I sniped #1 yay

[proper sorrel]

your very short lived #1

[royal oyster]

rank 1 is always very short lived

[cunning flower]

no somehow I still am rank 1

on that screen it still says 1 but the ladder part says 2 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal oyster]

never log off and you'll be rank one forever

[cunning flower]

ah. ic

good thing i'm running it from my emulator then

[meager valley]

If you stay logged on during the entire season can you get AoTN

🤔

[sacred heath]

it'll refresh for you when you do a fight

[sour oasis]

'The only way to win is to not play.'

[radiant brook]

Is beaver badge necessary in pvp?

[sacred heath]

it's pretty important but idk if it's as crucial as before

i'm not using it at the moment since i'm playing around with setups

[candid sluice]

It’s really really nice to have

[trail temple]

It's also a rudder essentially with the stat allocation, slightly more hp and less eva though

[sour oasis]

Hot take: Yes, yes it is. At the very least until you get more tricked out ships with invincibility windows, and even then it goes from mandatory to a very nice boost.

[sacred heath]

silly question: in nananyuu setup, it's better to keep HE on nugget since she's sending 2/3 of her shells towards the vanguard at first, correct?

[trail temple]

Ye

and burn damage

[light crystal]

Don't forget about the salt damage

[sacred heath]

i just wanna use my shiny new 457 ( 🐌 ) but i guess it'll have to stay in pve

[candid sluice]

Warspite with 457

[trail temple]

Relegated to w13 and opsi bosses

[sour oasis]

OpSi strongholds can bite me. It takes too long for my 🥔 to load the damn stage. My connection idles out while swimming around to the next fight.

[radiant brook]

Is this a good loadout for PvP shinano?

[delicate owl]

use a fighter like tigercat (for interception) or barracuda (for more crash damage) in her first slot instead. for the aux, you can use avigas (for more plane hp) or mic (for more hit and aa) instead of catapult

[radiant brook]

Oh 2 barracuda then, I usually use 818 to slow and line up for enty ryuusei

[crude mortar]

why r u using enty with shinano

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/804177324852772884/4KW10F2KKK2G7FSY8Y6.gif

[radiant brook]

I have no other better CV

And lucky E scumming my way to victory if the other side don't have another enty or hiryuu

[light crystal]

It's OK. As long as they got the stats and gear, plus the Attack bonus and reset, you should be fine

I would use Shoukaku over Enty when using Shinano/Hiryuu, but Enty is fine too

[candid sluice]

I’m using enty shinano and doing fine

Unless you have triple cv then u want fighter on shinano

And gas > catapult

[radiant brook]

I don't have gas

[elder crane]

microphone over catapult

but ye is pretty standardish loadout if you don't have Hiryuu/Third CV/something to spot early

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

I mean it's a catapult

🚮

[candid sluice]

Okay over cata sure

[light crystal]

He uses it over Beacon.

He's the Mike Guy.

[sour oasis]

I'm not on the gas bandwagon, but you should still get one in case you run into a stalwart AA defense.

[radiant brook]

Yikes

[trail temple]

Helps your planes make it to the other side

[mint hornet]

example of an AA defense

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

Shit I just missed 5 exercises

[uncut agate]

😔

[trail temple]

You'll definitely not be getting aotn now

[radiant brook]

Yeah good to knowb

[somber axle]

🎙️

[radiant brook]

Good to know that a 10 minute mistake will cause the effort for the next 2 weeks to be wasted completely

[uncut agate]

I never play at the edge when using a weaker fleet, very risky

[candid sluice]

Just... don’t wait till reset to do ur exers

Can’t forget em if u already did em

[radiant brook]

Too busy to even play

Inb4 "don't play if you can't no life sandbag, don't play if you can't full oath cancer"

[naive dome]

don't need to edge if you just want aotn tbh

[radiant brook]

Then why is everyone telling me to hold 10/10 until an hour before reset, then do 5 matches?

[uncut agate]

who said that? that's for hardcore sandbagging

[mint hornet]

that's casual bagging wdym

hardcore is checking every half hour/hour and refreshing periodically when the list hasn't moved

[mint hornet]

this is more for, just reminding people to do their matches
and if they do theirs an hour before reset, chances are someone on the list will have moved.
hence casual bagging

[radiant brook]

Then is burning down to 0/10 whenever possible, doable for AoTN after 5 losses?

[abstract cypress]

aotn talk again

[candid sluice]

5 Ls week 1

Good luck

[mint hornet]

it's doable if you could beat the fleets on your list
which you struggle with since you lack ships and equips

losses on week 1 matter less than losses on week 2

also

[candid sluice]

Roll top10 rushers every single reset maybe u can get enough

[mint hornet]

are you going down to 0/10 because of sleep/work/life?
because otherwise you just stay 5/10 to actually get actual bonuses

[radiant brook]

So I have to full cancer oath and no life sandbag to even get a chance at t100?

[candid sluice]

What

[radiant brook]

@mint hornet yeah I have a life

[mint hornet]

no

you just have to be able to beat any of the people on your list

and you struggle with a lot of fleets

[candid sluice]

Just don’t forget to do em

[mint hornet]

yea