you get very few bonus and only small ones if you only just refresh
#pvp
elder crane
additionally the game only consistently updates current rank/score if you relogin to the game
so you'll need to do that to check if someone did matches and now can give you bonus
devs should've just done some kind of mm system instead of this pepega smh
radiant brook
Dammit
So the best timing is sit at 10/10 and wait until 30 minutes from refresh then attack?
elder crane
nah the best basic way is to keep reloginning in every so often and do matches as soon as someone gives bonus
sour oasis
That's still not great.
elder crane
and make sure you go to 5/10 before a reset happens
your method tho is fine if you don't wanna bother with PvP so much
just it won't save you from your current score most likely
sour oasis
It's praying for luck, but if you're determined that this season is when you're gonna make it, rush until you're in a cluster of people with low value defense fleets. You want to move with them so they can constantly give you easy wins.
royal oyster
you're at -16 bonus right now
not sure what the safe minimum bonus for aotn on avrora is
but it certainly is still positive on every server I bet
sour oasis
It's like car racing where you stick close behind the car in front of you until you make a break for it. But the luck you need is to continually find easy match ups. At some point, when you're going to break for AotN, you might run into several several high power tryhard defense fleets.
sour oasis
not sure what the safe minimum bonus for aotn on avrora is
Wait no. Minimum to still have an OK chance to rush on day 13 is like +35 over no-sandbag rushing.
royal oyster
on most servers, there should be a time where there are people in the top 10 at 10/10 attempts so the minimum is probably pretty close to +0 assuming you can go really fast
sour oasis
On Avrora, I've stolen AotN last month going from 5/10 to 1/10 within the first 10 minutes after a refresh on day 13. I had a lot of luck running into quickly-beatable fleets and having enough score to eat a few +8s.
elder crane
ehh that's... pretty slow actually
if you do a hard rush, you can be done in 4-5 mins if you get the right enemies
7-8 mins tops as long as you have a consistent fleet
which is part of the issue here
he doesn't have a consistent fleet
sour oasis
+35 over no-sandbag isn't terrible. If you're a lucky bastard, you probably can steal with +22. You just need to make it to rank 10 within minutes of getting 5 new tickets.
elder crane
anyways he's below no-sandbag rn
so yabai
and he'll have issues finding enough bonuses probably
or even ensuring no more dropped matches
sour oasis
⚰️ 🪦
radiant brook
Fuck
sour oasis
anyways he's *below* no-sandbag rn
Oof. Two tickets below no-sandbag means they need to actively hunt for bonuses. For a week.
radiant brook
So a loss is enough to kick you out of AoTN in avrora
If I don't no life and sandbag that is
sour oasis
If you didn't lose those 3 matches you would be in a tight, though not untenable, position to rush for AotN on day 13.
Well, no. If you're in the right timezone, you let the tryhards do the work for you.
thin cosmos
incase he can win
royal oyster
well the thing with sandbagging bonus points is that you don't need to out-sandbag the entire server, just one person on your list
radiant brook
One of the reset is during 3am at where I live, which is when I'm sleeping
sour oasis
Or if you can consistently best the leftmost opponent, you can lose five tickets and still get AotN and just live with 0.75 bonus a refresh for the remainder of the season.
sour oasis
One of the reset is during 3am at where I live, which is when I'm sleeping
Given that's your timezone, you need to consistently beat your leftmost opponent.
radiant brook
And no life sandbagging?
sour oasis
You can actually rush down to 0. Just don't lose more than twice.
radiant brook
So I'm fucked, since I already lost 3 times
sour oasis
No. You're screwed because your fleet is week and you lost three times.
You gotta build up those hurting bombs.
radiant brook
Tfw you lost the game before you even start
royal oyster
you're not realistically going to get aotn without a fleet that can beat at least one person on your pvp lists consistently
sour oasis
You have to win the fight before the fight.
radiant brook
Is parallel torp > ryuusei if my parallels keep whiffing?
sour oasis
In this case, you don't need to no-life sandbag. You need to no-life restart so you beat the leftmost person in your list twice a day.
elder crane
and realistically for a comfortable AotN without sandbagging hard means you'd want a fleet that can win vs (almost) anything you face
radiant brook
Wdym no life restart
sour oasis
No life restart. When you're about to lose, quit, try again until you win.
elder crane
you can exit out of a PvP match with no penalty
other than the irl time you spent
so as long as your fleet can win then it's just a matter of doing enough resets
radiant brook
Already did that earlier to a left most opponent
He used a really optimized cancer so I eventually gave up and attacked someone else after 60 resets
elder crane
ye in that case you want a better fleet
on your question earlier
radiant brook
So I'm fucked, since I joined after dreamwaker, and warspite is hard nerfed in CV stealth update
elder crane
parallels are more consistent but aimed TBs are better at killing vanguard under good RNG
if that sounds like something that'd let you RNG wins, then sure
sour oasis
I know when my opponents have good gear. When I get a list of 4 and I know I can't really beat them (and I'm out of refresh) I will pick when I have a lot of free time to play and just try try try try try try for half an hour jiggering up a solution to beat the leftmost team. Then the next fights I just try to find an easy team to beat.
elder crane
So I'm fucked, since I joined after dreamwaker, and warspite is hard nerfed in C...
USN CV comp for now works pretty well, that's probably your best bet
3 CV or 2 CV+Prince of Wales
uncut agate
Sara Essex ig
elder crane
Essex for sure over any other USN CV
and Hiryuu ofc is still an option
sour oasis
A-kaga
thin cosmos
USN CV comp for now works pretty well, that's probably your best bet
he doesn't have 120 of them for sure
elder crane
for other USN CV you can take Intrepid, Saratoga, Bunker Hill basically
ye but what else can you do
radiant brook
Enty already 120, Sara 119, Essex 102
elder crane
Enty Sara then
radiant brook
Others are under 100
elder crane
if you're talking sub 110 then just take something high level that sorta fits
sour oasis
Slap Essex into your dungeon dorm, load them with three kinds of food, send them on the big commission or grind stages.
radiant brook
Should I fit a 120 monarch so the opposing BBs won't fire at my vanguard?
elder crane
What even are your options
sour oasis
Can you get Frontier Medal?
elder crane
for lv 115+
sour oasis
Also, do you have HMS torpedoes?
radiant brook
No HMS torps, can't get frontier medal atm
Can't get houshou to drop
And no manjuu because Yorktown hates me
uncut agate
hmmm, are you constantly spamming 3-4 or 7-2? it's pretty easy now with auto search 
radiant brook
Yes I'm spamming 3-4
because I want foxes for tech points
sour oasis
Keep checking medal exchange for Yorktown too
Doesn't Yorktown not drop in 3-4? (I remember getting her while grinding for rabbits)
radiant brook
She drops at 3-4 but apparently not for me
It's on her wiki, she drops at 3-4
sour oasis
sour oasis
At least they got foxes.
With stealth and rainbow planes, foxes are borderline dangerous again.
thin cosmos
yeah indeed wyvern is buff for them
trail temple
Might actually break back into the meta
elder crane
They actually soft counter torpmemes decently well
But vs standard they just don't do any dmg, so
trail temple
They're like glass cannons, their speed is great but power is lacking to be really be a glass cannon
candid sluice
Negative dmg 
radiant brook
Well I lost my 4th match
The manjuu loading screen kicked in in the middle of a match and I couldn't even pause
I mashed the pause button and it didn't even work
Had this happen in an abyss before but I thought it wouldn't affect pvp
And y'all said that "just reset"
No it dosen't fucking work, I force closed and when I come back I had one less exercise than before I started the PvP match
trail temple
gg no re
radiant brook
That marks it, if I don't mess up in pvp, my bad luck will just make something up
Maybe I should just give up
astral holly
I saw a
Centaur Hiryuu Shinano
Nanoda Sirius Helena fleet
and ngl it hurt a lot
had to reset 2 times
after the first airstrike my backline only has like
1/4 hp
kamikaze damage
uncut agate
I faced it a few time, my vanguard was deleted instantly, had to use Sandy 
candid sluice
I missed a few exers 
uncut agate
im 781 9/10
790 9/10
candid sluice
774 9/10
uncut agate
ye it's fine, took me a month to prepare my fleets for aotn
silent ocean
783 9/10
sacred heath
867 53/09
trail temple
@elder crane Is the current environment still favouring HE gun on Nagato or should we be okay with running 457 instead (assume standard backline)
thin cosmos
It's interesting topic for me too
elder crane
HE gun for sure
CV/CVL stealthed and of vanguard only Azuma vulnerable to AP
Esp if torps vanguard
And WNT/aviation badge nerfs shelling dmg but not fire dmg
candid sluice
Is it just me or does champgun have a really weird fire pattern?
Like one set of shells going to a backliner, another to vanguard and third to a different backline
And splitting shells too
elder crane
all triples do that these days
and twins can even do it too
but less likely since lower VT between first two shots
candid sluice
Ok I thought it was just my warspite being braindead 
thin cosmos
you mean each shell or total salvo? total salvo target different units but not 2 or 3shell in salvo
but I saw someone reported splitting shells bug
elder crane
that bug has been really common these days
probably has to do with adjustments to targeting code
it's been mostly beneficial, e.g. enemy dies as the BB is targeting them so then 2/3 shells go to next highest priority instead
anyways it's mostly that targeting is quite pepega in AL, which devs have made more responsive to fix I think, but this then reveals problem with the code for firing shots that were duct taped by the delay which introduced the targeting responsiveness problems in the first place
thin cosmos
too many users just don't know what's going on
about 457, it's 13 speed is matter as I think. I saw so many dodge with tiny distance from damage circle.
sacred heath
sour oasis
my vanguard is weakRNG enough to warrant my attention during matches 🎲
light crystal
I don't think I've needed to reset to win a battle in over 4 weeks now. Have come close to losing a couple of times but otherwise all good.
astral holly
I still use the old meta
I should pay more attention
Warkai+Amagi+Nagato
imagine using BBs
light crystal
I mean, you're at a clear disadvantage, even on Attack, going against 2CV/1BB or 3 CV comps if ur running 3 BB's. Doable with the power of Attack and Reset, but still, fighting an uphill battle nonetheless.
sour oasis
Unless you immediately reveal their CV. No stealth buff = food.
sacred heath
idk just ask him
thin cosmos
Unless you immediately reveal their CV. No stealth buff = food.
well definitely not. Shinano was already t1 before cv stealth. you need good BB also
now wyverns are there while no difference in BB gear
sour oasis
well definitely not. Shinano was already t1 before cv stealth. you need good BB ...
Well remember they're running a 3 BB team to begin with.
thin cosmos
Well remember they're running a 3 BB team to begin with.
you can't win with 3 trash bb. how can it be called as food? warkai amagi nagato were already hard to win vs meta before
and they are quite good 3BB team
sour oasis
sour oasis
Still shows the possibility of victory. And of course easy meat is everywhere.
thin cosmos
Juneau center with no manjuu no wnt. should I tell more? that means huge chance of trash other gears too
sour oasis
But what gear protects exposed Shinano from BB?
thin cosmos
why don't you think he just picked good case with some try and delete wrong case? He could do that cause he just want to show "I'm strong" instead of pvp meta research.
Anyway about that attacking team not that bad but would have some try in bad luck
would be 20% or lower as I think(so winning rate would be more than 80%)
return to beginning I said you need good BB and FDG and warkai are the 2 best. so nothing wrong with my word.
royal oyster
triple bb was already not a great time against that comp before the stealth change. I don't see how replacing a bb with perseus somehow makes it better
thin cosmos
triple bb was already not a great time against that comp before the stealth chan...
with gear 13 and wyvern faster ones get advantage. and that's all
so they can be better indeed when not counting stealth but wonder in real situations. I have only 1 rainbow gun so can't test
thin cosmos
yes same for torp too
but as I think that just make easier to break meta fleet not meaning better
slender atlas
that fleet work well forme. i use champian gun on fdg instead 457
thin cosmos
so some month later I expect I can see tons of various teams
I really like to see good pvp teams
feels like fun puzzle making result
akaga might can return to throne again with torp
slender atlas
feel so good .No Wyven and only one 457
radiant brook
@trail temple not moving don't worry
It's not like I have time to do PvP anyways
Busy at work atm
trail temple
#rip
radiant brook
At least when maintenance is over it will be 10/10
radiant brook
I'm not left most, just attack left most 
trail temple
Left most hasn't moved
candid sluice
Left most no give +1
radiant brook
@trail temple you mean keep restarting the app and the opponent list won't change and you can see him rank up?
trail temple
Yeah, he hasn't moved
radiant brook
So this is where I am with 4/10 remaining, does it look good for my chances?
light crystal
U need to state the server 
uncut agate
Avrora 
elder crane
Also no score is very scuffed
light crystal
This is me in WA. I don't even pay attention to my score too much until the last 3 days anyway
candid sluice
Doesn’t look too promising with that score
light crystal
Yeah, I always feel I'm weak mid season or w/e, but end up getting 1 EoS somehow, like 4 times in a row now, so it's like, I guess I end up getting where I need to be and everything works out
light crystal
Oh, yeah, considering he's 4/10 on the sweaty server
radiant brook
So you mean I should wait until next season begins
candid sluice
Amagi 
trail temple
Or just rush your exercises, winning as much as you can, getting merit and exp in the meanwhile. Then once you have a meta fleet, come back and try fot aotn
radiant brook
That's fucking depressing
sacred heath
This is me in WA. I don't even pay attention to my score too much until the last...
Hey, that's me
I had to rush lol
delicate owl
tough dirge
#2 or smt
tough dirge
3 days of nothing now im getting the big fish
And this one is just hololive spam not IJn meta crap
ebon kraken
<a:pensiveaf:706612848864002079>
radiant brook
frail orbit
🪓 
sour oasis
Depends if they have Elite Repair on Enterprise. 
light crystal
It's impossible to make it o 0 tho, in a 1v1 Enty, ain't it?
Crash damage inbetween and stuff would whittle down one side's HP over the other eventually, even if they always keep LE'ing.
elder crane
it can be if identical launch time
and synced fighters (which they should be if other CV doesn't mess it up)
light crystal
🤔
sour oasis
It was possible two years ago. Not sure if it's still possible.
sour oasis
🍀 
slender atlas
how to know if enemy + pts or not?
trail temple
Guess
Well, if they're top 100 you can find out for sure
But if they're not, you're basically guessing
royal oyster
if you remember where they were relative to you when you initially got them on your list, it's usually pretty easy to tell
tough dirge
Im not too sure about lower rear pts because I was 171 and didn't get anything from R2 but when you're 500 and kill even 2 digit usually you get around +2-5 pts depending on rank
Maybe it depends on the score you have?? which was close at the time so I jumped like 100 ranks after beating #2 without bonus
mint hornet
Starting from when your score is above 1050 points (I think it's captain* rank?)
The person you fight needs to be 35 points or more above you to give a bonus
71 points or more for a +2
mint hornet
It's 71, but urban legends say 70 points can give you a +2
light crystal
Oh? I didn't know the minimum difference was as low as 15
I always assumed it was a constant 35, not matter the rank
And it's not 71, it's 70, Im pretty sure, for +2
mint hornet
Yea, the earlier ranks have different breakpoints.
Though it doesn't matter too much since you just take what bonuses you can week 1.
70 is an urban legend
sour oasis
I hear people can get +12 from 70, but the times I've done it, I needed that 71-point ladder difference.
The minimum difference at Admiral levels is like 35.4. To get +13, the spread is just 106.
light crystal
I think 70 has worked for me to get a +2 
Same way as being tied on point but being lower rank will still get me a +10, but a +9 to others
candid sluice
🍝
trail temple
Yes
sour oasis
<@318463870467440650>
Yes
trail temple
Given that you're 5 games behind me, and I've missed 5 games myself, you are not making AOTN
Well, missed 2 games and missed about 30 bonus points
radiant brook
So much for attempting aotn
I kept getting leftmost opponents that were close to me
Guess no matter how well you do it's just mostly down to luck
Should have known that PvP is just rng
uncut agate
your leftmost opponent will be close to you immediately after getting a win.
then you'll have to wait for them to move up, login the game regularly to see if they moved up.
sour oasis
Have you considered making a better team?
mint hornet
I mean, you don't have ships that would improve your chances significantly.
Like hiryuu or Juneau raised
sour oasis
Winning would come easier if you were just... Powerful.
radiant brook
No I mean the left most opponent is close to me even if I never refresh
I could see him go from 1.2k from morning, then 2.6k before reset
sour oasis
There's a difference between preparing for a neighborhood game and the Fifa World Cup.
mint hornet
Oh, yea. For sandbagging that's actually just luck on whether your list moves or not.
sour oasis
Right now you're going into a fight and hoping they get hit by a bus before you can throw a punch.
mint hornet
They start at 1.2 and move to 2.6 because neither of you moved
And other people on the server moved, and now they're above you both
So you got pushed down
sour oasis
Whereas I'm not even trying this season, but I'm able to beat everyone. I'm not even holding tickets and just rushing to 0/10. I'm pretty sure I can grab AotN by the end of day 12.
radiant brook
Does having 120 Juneau and 120 retroryuu instantly counters cancer fleets?
sour oasis
If equipped well, it helps greatly.
mint hornet
No
But you'll be beating the fleets that don't have hiryuu or Juneau
radiant brook
What if the game refuses to give you the ships needed for PvP stuff like manjuu?
sour oasis
Your six ships, maybe one or two are able to handle themselves and have to carry the other 4.
radiant brook
Like not getting Yorktown drop or getting her from shop
sour oasis
Keep trying.
RNG is RNG.
Are you checking exchange? Yorktown can be exchanged for I remember.
radiant brook
It's currently Lexington
radiant brook
No I joined late, didn't get her
sour oasis
i remember york is on starter fleet or im wrong?
Only. If you started 2 years ago. It was a mail bonus. (It's unicorn now.)
abstract cypress
i see
sour oasis
No I joined late, didn't get her
What's your PRY collection look like?
sour oasis
Yeah.
radiant brook
Sanrui/monarch at Dev 30
Roon/nep at 15
Cheshire 22
Drake 18
sour oasis
Barring getting elite event ships like Noshiro and Nagato and Shinano, you need power equalizers.
Cheshire probably your next big frontliner.
radiant brook
I will post a pic of my current fleet after reset
trail temple
Ruin your life getting Azuma to at least dev25
radiant brook
Can't even start developing kitakaze
sour oasis
Hey, hey. That's too far. They are currently ruining their life getting Drake to dev30.
sour oasis
But you probably have event ships
radiant brook
Well I have shinano
But that's the only meta I have
besides enty but lucky E never works for me
sour oasis
Shinano, Monarch, Hiryu
Saint, Yukikaze, Juneau
Might steal some wins with the right equipment.
Enterprise, Centaur, Essex, Intrepid probably the better alternates. Then again A-kaga is available.
Jintsu, Belfast, Sandy, Sendai, Eldredge, Kagerou even might be able to get lucky.
You don't have raw power, so you might have to do what I do and win by quantity: having a diverse fleet you have to rejigger constantly.
radiant brook
Up: PvP fleet
Down: dock
sour oasis
Swiftsure is still just a warm body on your team.
radiant brook
Pls tell me I have invested in the exact wrong ships for pvp
sour oasis
Your only ace is if you time Enterprise to launch after Helena's radar activates AND you get Lucky E to spray the field with bombs.
Get more level 115's. A diverse navy means you can cobble surprises that can win after enough retries.
You'll just be stuck in retry hell.
sour oasis
What happened to your Saint Louis. STL and Roon are tanky enough they might project Helena so she activates radar.
sour oasis
Who? I can't risk invest in a ship that's useless in pvp
Yeah, no. You invest in everyone.
radiant brook
Sure but after investing in warspite then got hit by CV stealth I kinda second guess my decisions now
sour oasis
Ayanami, Kagerou, Eldredge, Sirius... There's always some weird synergy that can happen
Only if you have enough able bodies to throw out.
PvP becomes a major time and brain sink.
abstract cypress
id say u dont need much ships
sour oasis
It's really just an XP mission until it stops giving you XP. Then you can start going to merit rewards.
abstract cypress
just pick what u like, lvl up and keep retry
radiant brook
Even if it's as useless as warspite?
abstract cypress
sour oasis
Keep retry.
Retry hell.
radiant brook
She can't even do shit before getting nuked
abstract cypress
whats the eq
radiant brook
All 7?
sour oasis
After an hour, maybe you'll win
delicate owl
lvl up sanrui. she's a solid tank for pvp
abstract cypress
just write here
sour oasis
No offense on that team except Enterprise
abstract cypress
did u follow sum guide?
abstract cypress
the number is low yes
well ws aint as strong as b4 but def usable
but monarch better yes
u dont really want bb unless buffer/fdg
sour oasis
Warspite is pretty amazing still, you just need to fight 0~1 CV defenses. Or get rid of stealth quickly (like with Essex and Enterprise or torpedo frontline)
radiant brook
Enty: pirate/purple helldiver/ryuusei/beacon/catapult (all +10)
Shinano: ryuusei (+11/13)/purple diver/beacon/catapult
Monarch: 406mle +12/Bel gun +6/staag +10/boomer +10/white shell+10
Helena: Seattle gun +13/twin 114 +10/rhoomba +10/rudder +13/toolbox +10
RooM: Cheshire gun/quint gold torp/QB/rudder/toolbox (all +10)
Swift: nepgun/quint gold torp/QB/toolbox 2x (all +10)
@sour oasis most leftmost are just cancer, and one despacito can't even deal half health DMG to nugget
radiant brook
Warspite: 406 purple/Bel gun/staag/black and white shell (all +10)
abstract cypress
u use cata then oil, or u dont have?
sour oasis
You need to kill enemy vanguard faster. Invest in gold helldivers (or +11 the purple ones since you have the spare parts)
abstract cypress
well drop tank>cata, but u shouldnt invest on it
radiant brook
Shinano should use 2 Helldivers and a barracuda?
No I don't have any plates anymore
uncut agate
Fighter-helldiver-TB
radiant brook
Why fighter
abstract cypress
y fighter
uncut agate
detection
radiant brook
Doubt it helps
As soon as any plane crosses the red line it reveals instantly
sour oasis
Meh. I would use Shinano to detect as a Plan B. Vanguard can also detect enemy
uncut agate
Tbh I use tb-db-tb on shinano cuz wyvern 
radiant brook
What happens when you don't have wyvern
sour oasis
You lose
uncut agate
You get a guaranteed wyvern every 3 months anyway
sour oasis
Rely on RNG to win through massive massive resets.
abstract cypress
its for intercept, not detection
sour oasis
Helena Sandy and Juneau AA 
I mean, we're all throwing out several ideas. They won't all work well at the same time, but they have their uses.
abstract cypress
intercept gives crash dmg, which nice
sour oasis
If they survive
uncut agate
I forgot +13 sexy bofors exist
abstract cypress
i dont feel any increased power from sexy bofor
my june still doin shit dmg
also she wont die
sour oasis
uncut agate
you didn't commit enough sins for Juneau to die for you
sour oasis
radiant brook
Does parallel suppose to suck this bad?
They keep throwing the torps in the middle of main fleet shipsn
sour oasis
But they're fast
radiant brook
Useless when it hits nothing
abstract cypress
their crash dmg is high
sour oasis
Hurting vanguard or hurting main fleet. Some opponents put more focus on one and not the other. (Personally all my teams focus on destroying/outlasting their frontliners; if they only have CV left, victory is almost assured)
radiant brook
Its useless when the opponent behaves like a human and dodges the parallels
sour oasis
You can focus on making a "stealth reveal" fleet, but chances are you'll need a stalling vanguard.
radiant brook
And it's rng to where they throw the torps
abstract cypress
use gold junker instead
uncut agate
my ryuusei never hit their vanguard 
radiant brook
I feel like the opponent just has to throw Nagato and enterprise and it's instant win for them
Their skills never stop activating and it's like some defender buff
And then they will whiff all their attacks on the invincible ships
Enemy enty activated lucky E? Throw all the ryuusei at her
abstract cypress
someone use nagato with E
radiant brook
And allowing the Nagato to fire another big 7 at 1 hp
abstract cypress
radiant brook
Or hiryuu, idk
radiant brook
Same can be said for hiryuu
Forced final counter early? Watch your ships waste their ryuusei on her instead of the other 2 ships
trail temple
Don't use Ryuusei 4head
uncut agate
I've never seen ryuusei target one particular backline tbh, they target them all
radiant brook
@trail temple same can be said for parallel, they keep wasting the torps in between the main fleet ships
At least ryuusei targets something
uncut agate
Cuda has crash dmg
trail temple
Given my experience, Ryuusei's main benefit is clustering the torps together to nuke something out of the water. During the fight when the the vg is around, you'll likely not do much damage from your airstrikes because they'll just miss. Cudas on the other hand may not have as higher burst than a Ryuusei because less torps are hitting (no shit), however the crash damage is significant enough to cause a sufficient difference in this current meta
trail temple
If you want to force final counter early in this meta, you're doing it completely wrong
radiant brook
Then how do you kill hiryuu without warspite nowadays
radiant brook
Must use hiryuu of your own?
No Perseus, no warspite, no hiryuu, how to kill the opposing hiryuu with these conditions?
trail temple
If you can't kill Hiryuu reliably, you really shouldn't be trying for aotn
radiant brook
I mean, are there any reliable ways to take her out without these 3?
Or is it required?
uncut agate
If you can kill their vanguard and Nagato early with your own vanguard surviving, Hiryuu is not a threat.
radiant brook
How? The enemy Nagato has 100% barrage rate
trail temple
radiant brook
i know it's 40 but it feels like 100 on my end
uncut agate
Your luck is shit for 100% proc rate Nagato
radiant brook
So is it possible to counter a cancer fleet with 100 enemy proc rate and 0 proc rate of your own?
Anything that has a chance to not launch will never launch for you
trail temple
Get a meta fleet
radiant brook
How to get a meta when there are event locked ships
trail temple
Patience
radiant brook
Assuming I don't have shinano, what option do I have
stable dawn
what are the best aux equips on azuma?
trail temple
Shoes + rudder is my go to these days
radiant brook
Gotta wait for that ISSS archive that will never arrive
stable dawn
inb4 PR4 adds new IJN CV
trail temple
ISSS is on CN/JP so we'll get it eventually. By then we'll probably get Yamato class battleships and Nagato will be obselete anyway
radiant brook
Now I unironically hope for yamato to dethrone nugget so I could have a meta ship for once
stable dawn
radiant brook
They already have 3 archives and we have none of those
abstract cypress
history is irrelevant here
meager valley
dull hollow
hiryuu's ryuusei with 4mi is pretty funny tho. i run muse lusty for meme frontline evaporation but I would imagine a properly timed shinano should give better results
the biggest problems are just just very well setup hiryuunano torpfront comps
other than that i just rake in wins vs anything obnoxious
well, that and running 3 cv means the occasional eldridge comp is a bit of an annoyance but they're rare enough to not really be an issue
mint hornet
frail orbit
hiryuu's ryuusei with 4mi is pretty funny tho. i run muse lusty for meme frontli...
U are late to the party anyway
The main problem being that of ryusei being too much of an RNGesus to hit VGs
Where have u been these year smh baker
light crystal
Less Crash dmg against backline as well
lime folio
How meta is this
vs having noshiro mid
Juneau seems OP but shes inconsistent as fuck
in mirrors
candid sluice
That is very standard meta ye
lime folio
ive been using noshiro b4 just went back to juneau after a friend told me to
but she seems off idk
candid sluice
Jun is used more often than nosh nowadays because the heal is just so good
elder crane
Juneau seems OP but shes inconsistent as fuck
You should lead her with the new Manjuu aux equipment
ofc getting that is the first step
makes her heal timing very consistent, and she absorbs a good amt of dmg during the immunity
lime folio
Hmmmmm aight
I still don’t have the wyvern lmao
Need 2 more mats
I’ve put Juneau in the middle cause she dies first anyway and it uses later
elder crane
Juneau mid risks dying too late, and absorbs less dmg
with lead Juneau
vs torps if vanguard runs into them, she eats most of them usually rather than rest of vanguard, then pops heal after torps hit main fleet, so you still get decent healing value (and usually means other vanguards survive)
vs normal comp the earliest she pops is on Nagato barrage if really unlucky, but that's still enough to last until Nanoyuu airstrikes
which she absorbs some torps for other two, then pops heal for them, and healing crash dmg on main
sour oasis
@radiant brook see what everyone else is doing, why can't you prepare like that
radiant brook
Wdym prepare? They have memento stuff that I don't have yet, and probably won't because rng
If I could, good chances are I'm already working on it
Like getting wyvern or leveling up juneau
sour oasis
Yes, but you still try for AotN before having any of this. For your supply situation, AotN is very much a lottery. Once you get the memento stuff, it's less of a lottery. (still kind of 🎲)
dull hollow
U are late to the party anyway
The main problem being that of ryusei being too m...
There's no rng with 4mi tho
Garanteed hits
Muse lusty knocks out the light armor then ryuusei clean up the azuma
frail orbit
There's no rng with 4mi tho
There's still the RNG of her not getting her slow proccing, Baker
There's also the whole fiasco of timing honestly, can't even damage anything other than at 20s timing, etc etc
dull hollow
her first slow
is 100%
after that is rng
the only time u fail to wipe on the first 20s strike
is like when the enemy front moves rly far back
which messes up the strike distance
but like 90+% of the time you garanteed to ohko their front
on first strike
frail orbit
which messes up the strike distance
Which often went a lot
Especially if said enemy is torpmeme
Who has big mspd basically
And not fatzooma
dull hollow
torp meme naturally counters u anyway cuz the strength of the comp is being able to delete roaches
torp comp is already naturally squishy
so u gain little advantage
but they still crit you
dull hollow
im not moving
my rainbow plane off my pve comps onto pvp
and back and forth
gonna slap that plane onto persues for opsi
and never think about it again
until i make like 4 copies
same reason why im using muse lusty instead of shinano
frail orbit
gonna slap that plane onto persues for opsi
Am running it from shinano to percy as well so
How much u have?
1?
dull hollow
i am not swapping my equips on shinano
she sits on ryuusei duty for opsi permanently
i have 0
dull hollow
nice rng
but yeah i sure as shit am not moving my gear around
frail orbit
So that's it
frail orbit
Alas
Would just try my CN mentor's Percy wyvern strat
With 2x twin 457
On FDG Wakai
frail orbit
Basically Percy acts as Amagi
frail orbit
making 2 of those on JP with our reduced drop rates
Keks, am just lucksacking em anyway
dull hollow
if I ever see that comp on defense tho im still gonna fight it with muse lusty
diamond hands
frail orbit
||Only bkoz am simping my own mentor since she's basically some ara ara rich big tiddy Peranakan neesan IRL||
Also Muse Lusty without Fw 190 smh
dull hollow
frail orbit
Like what
Destealth memes on Lusty
If u are running fake cat
She'd still gain MVP on planes
dull hollow
u have to play the game in reverse
||i got some honkai girls to talk to me because of my rankings ||
u cant be the simp
they must simp for u
frail orbit
She's taken already so
dull hollow
ntr
frail orbit
Going back to that
Already had seen my mentor running Lusty memes
But with Cheshire smh
frail orbit
Forgot it was with 2x Fw or nope kekw
frail orbit
i told u im using jank leveling front anyway
Then must be enuff for lusty to intercept
dull hollow
1/100 is actaully meta
im running
3 cv
so
i win all detection battle
except vs 3 cv
but no one actaully puts up strong 3cv
frail orbit
I meant the mvp
dull hollow
fkin jp server
what mvp
i only level the 3rd shitter frontline
levleing backline
too much of a pita
frail orbit
Topkeks
frail orbit
And it's not like u are the only one who hab this problem
dull hollow
i only started pvp again because of the points needed for guildwar
needed to find a funny comp to play
otherwise i was gonna fall asleep
dull hollow
tried out muse lusty and it did way better than I thought
so im having some fun with pvp now
maybe when i make 2nd rainbow plane
frail orbit
Topkeks
dull hollow
I can try out the other meme ocmp
frail orbit
Get ur 2nd wyvern
dull hollow
full crash damage
frail orbit
2/9 for my 2nd
And ffs some friend of mine got 3 from store reset
🪓
Smh my mentor on manhattan running this kekw @dull hollow
Not muse lusty tho
frail orbit
That's before she got wyvern
dull hollow
with ryuusei
frail orbit
idk what plane that is
Fw 190
dull hollow
idk what that means
dull hollow
frail orbit
Lusty double FW memes
Expectation: lusty as plane slayer
Reality: late launch, lusty didn't even shoot first, instead cheshire ate the plane
Smh what she said
frail orbit
As AA buffer she could do it
She just hate F4U for its AA gun being slow mo
0.8s of rld timing smh
frail orbit
just make ur 500lb bomb go zoome
U haven't seen the great shiden debacle
dull hollow
frail orbit
Basically
Something something 60speed of it
Personally would just take it as a double edged sword anyway
dull hollow
i just stick to f4u always
because surface damage + launch prio
i dont think the meager AA dps differneces
is ever g onna swing a fight
dull hollow
when the autism is too strong
frail orbit
Is bkoz surface AA
frail orbit
and u start believing in fighter AA memes
Can't be helped with my master
She's too bored af so
frail orbit
Alas
It's not like everything is gucci when u could have 1 shot shinano ASAP
Jokes on u she used to go CN honkek, nowadays pleb tho on Genshin
frail orbit
The yyb server btw
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4mi
dull hollow
yah her
frail orbit
Only those 3
frail orbit
U gotta whale a lot
And tham ngan hard
For a single wyvern smh
Took me 2months
🪓
Ffs baker
frail orbit
U expected us to get wyvern easily?
Nah
Ask Famine about how much his UR plane design atm
dull hollow
idk what that means
frail orbit
Ask Kurumi aka Famine
dull hollow
idk
frail orbit
On this server
frail orbit
He got salted by us who got Wyvern btw
dull hollow
just wait
fo
the rainbow AA gun to be released
and CV go back into the shitbucket
frail orbit
Amen
dull hollow
LMAO
damn they have bots who can now identify language and take screenshots
the technology is too powerful
frail orbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vODU5C0k3TQ
Only on attack
Even then
It's wonky af
safe meteor
wonky eh
safe meteor
only way to make Warkai viable in pvp again?
frail orbit
At least
safe meteor
i have one
safe meteor
not viable?
frail orbit
Only on attack
safe meteor
yea, thats what i plan to do
frail orbit
Def
Still Nanoyuu supremacy
safe meteor
def is boring Nagato, Hiryuu, Shinano
frail orbit
Or some stall def based in Richie
safe meteor
Nanoyuu is the name now?
frail orbit
Ya
dull hollow
join the MUSE LUSTY cult
light crystal
def is boring Nagato, Hiryuu, Shinano
I was already running that before Stealth, just with Rudders instead of Gas to tank BB's lol
I guess it was a tad more interesting then cuz I was going against BB meta more often than not rather than mirrors
sour oasis
I was already running that before Stealth, just with Rudders instead of Gas to t...
There always is, but because of gear lab, a lot more weird things are suddenly viable as niche offense.
radiant brook
Should I level up juneau AA skill for pvp?
candid sluice
Of course
trail temple
Definitely
light crystal
Claro
sour oasis
Why not
thin cosmos
not a single any ur print for 20 days. so sick. I bought movement with 10000 oil every week
there mist must be some bug with cat recognition like some cats have no effect at cat node....
trail temple
I've never gotten a UR print from cats so...
somber axle
Nope, just bad game design.
uncut agate
I never got any UR plane print from cat paws, I got mine from abyssal bosses and the general prints from port shops
somber axle
Did you expect rewarding gameplay from Op siren? Think again.
slender atlas
my lv30 cat not give any UR too
trail temple
I never got any UR plane print from cat paws, I got mine from abyssal bosses and...
Basically this
thin cosmos
but my guild member got 7ur print even 20days ago...
somber axle
RNG my dood, on top of the fact that who knows when they will fix this. Don't expect to be rewarded for spending oil in OP siren.
There's a bunch of people with Wyvern already, you're not one of them despite all the time you sunk into the game mode.
thin cosmos
wyvern making me crazy
slender atlas
lol,imagine spend oil on OPS. last month i just waste 4k AP although i farm normally,( combat 300 stat each )
sacred heath
Everyone will be guaranteed to have a wyvern by end of next month
Unless they wasted their UR prints on magtorps
somber axle
Just wait till next month, you're not getting prints while other people are simply because they got lucky. The rates are super low and they made the dumb decision to lock UR prints behind abyssal and cats.
thin cosmos
Everyone will be guaranteed to have a wyvern by end of next month <:WarShrug:667...
and some would be close to 2nd wyvern
sacred heath
slender atlas
no salty coz this game no competitive
abstract horizon
SG radar on BB any good?
somber axle
no salty coz this game no competitive
Not getting drops despite spending time just don't feel good though. This is the main issue here.
Oh and 10k oil a week.
thin cosmos
betraying try hard always sick+I want to get the best team in server
slender atlas
gl
thin cosmos
they must sell general ur with very expensive cost without limit like UR burin
then everyone would be ok
try hard get more reward
300k token cost is even ok
now I have 1.4 milion of it
sacred heath
@abstract horizon for the hit? Better to use hsfcr.
thin cosmos
white sell+ hsfcr would be normal setting
dull hollow
i do wonder
nakaga already mild pita
i wonder if they would see a rise
with 2x rainbow plane
would be hard to overcom hiryuu's counter tho
sour oasis
Just make sure vanguard doesn't die
abstract horizon
is 3ple CA vangaurd on defense fleet advisable
north vine
avi gas + mic or beacon enty 
proper sorrel
mic is there to hurt the vanguard more
if enty is the only carrier in the fleet, then use avigas beacon
north vine
aight
proper sorrel
I think that was contradicting each other
battleships hit other battleships in carriers..
carriers can hit both
well there goes my brain
I'll just leave it at
"preference"
like ryuusei vs barracuda
but then also if you have 2 carriers for example, shinano and hiryuu, having one take barracuda and the other take the ryuusei is pretty nice
like shinano can take barracuda to hurt the vanguard more, and hiryuu to finish off the main fleet
same kind of goes with mic/beacon situation i guess
anyway if you need to kill vanguard "faster"(as in more like more likely to hit, because beacon still technically launches faster), mic helps
vanguard have more evasion than main fleet so chance of evading bombs is more likely than main fleet, hence if hurting vanguard, mic is usually better, and vice versa
in this ryuusei barracuda case, because hiryuu is trying to hit main fleet, ryuusei beacon
because shinano is trying to hit vanguard (and main fleet, but whatever.), barracuda mic
proper sorrel
I believe in my mics 
sour oasis
is 3ple CA vangaurd on defense fleet advisable
Defense fleet flex 
Eugen Roon Pola Zara - beefiest flex you can get
candid sluice
Enty slackin smh
abstract cypress
even with lucky e always active, intrepid mostly do higher
mb bcs i put faster load on her
radiant brook
-intrepidgood
pastel mountain
is there a single reason to put them this way?
thin cosmos
stupid
delicate owl
most likely a meme fleet
pastel mountain
i keep seeing this placement few times already and it confuses me
all i could think of is to focus their barrages on off-flag which are usually cvs,but wut
radiant brook
Nugget can't even buff off flag
candid sluice
Probably just a meme defense u can farm exp from
Mans too lazy to swap ships so he swapped positions
north vine
hes giving free wins 
thats all
granite flame
Oh these new Russian ships look wonderful
I wanted to make a full Russian PvP video but what we had now kinda sucked
Hopefully Belorossiya is a good backliner 
elder crane
It will still be sucky since lol BB team and lol Gangut but hey better than literally nothing
light crystal
Sovetskaya Belorussiya and Kirov, gotta wait on them. And then there's Soyus, whether or not she's UR and how potent nation buffs are. Also the fact that we still don't have Russian CA's yet. If they start doing Russian PR's, specially CA's, Russians could potentially be useful in PvP.
sacred oracle
we are getting one CA this event but she's a hipper class
sour oasis
Hah?! Intensifies 
light crystal
Oh Tallin u meant?
sacred oracle
Oh Tallin u meant?
Yep
abstract cypress
did sum1 really have tried to compare cuda bb with 3c?
numbers aside, idk why i have more success with it
mb bcs crash dmg
candid sluice
tender bay
Didn't pay attention to fight and lost. No top1 again
uncut agate
same here 
proper sorrel
f
astral holly
rip
frail orbit
Just sleep
elder crane
In a row
frail orbit
frail orbit
Just being horni, fap, and sleep
frail orbit
Yer on UTC+8?
astral holly
not the best timezones
we get cucked a lot
maint ends at like usually 11pm here
and we cant rush event
astral holly
frail orbit
astral holly
I usually stay up until like 2am
to just do builds
when maint finishes
then i grind the next day
proper sorrel
how would you change it
elder crane
Wait this might actually be my 70th season of PvP
Well, probably last December was
Fuck current bonus system
+2 pts every won match but 1 pt entry cost
elder crane
There instant semi proper elo system
proper sorrel
or take the BA approach and remove restarting fight, and never reset season
elder crane
While still casual friendly
frail orbit
Just don't reset tix
elder crane
Casuals probably end up higher score since natual bonuses built in
elder crane
And they probably won't even care about a few -1
On that note make losses give player chance to retry
For -1 ofc
And ofc top players would actually care about these -1
And no more of this shitty sandbagging and trying to time PvP and whatnot
abstract cypress
realtime pvp when
elder crane
Oh god no
With AL devs being well
AL devs
I don't even want them to try that
Would be a miracle if it worked at all
And probably they'd still break it next patch after
elder crane
Ah yes I prefer main fleet to not exist too
proper sorrel
well we can't move main fleet
proper sorrel
oh well
proper sorrel
I like the idea of pvp not resetting
you lose/gain score depending on if you win or lose, but you can't reset/surrender
losing/gaining points from defense could also help
elder crane
I prefer just the simple mod of 1 pt entry fee and free +2 bonus
Given devs forget PvP exists
Cant wait really hope for them to do anything substantial
abstract horizon
centaur formidable and monarch for backlime good?
abstract cypress
mediocre
abstract cypress
we need to update the super ancient pvp guide
sadly mods only care about banning than make this club useful
candid sluice
There’s a tab for pvp in the community tierlist
abstract cypress
u mean in site?
uncut agate
There’s a tab for pvp in the community tierlist
It's very incomplete
candid sluice
Faster launches ofc