pvp

[radiant brook]

and?

[trail temple]

Sorry, USS + PoW

[elder crane]

where's that joke pic again

[proper sorrel]

FDG Monarch Hiryuu Azuma Juneau Yukikaze

idk where that pic is

checking the discord

[trail temple]

Look for Kanzaki Erika

[proper sorrel]

but kanazki posts too much pics

[elder crane]

Anyways
vanguard is that
new main maybe PoW+USN though

or maybe just FdG Enty Hiryuu

[proper sorrel]

found it

[radiant brook]

Yeah better exclude PR

[elder crane]

ooof then

[radiant brook]

Especially fdg when she is a giant pain to Dev 30

[trail temple]

Good luck then

[elder crane]

probably Helena RNG then

and pray

[trail temple]

Juneau Helena Porkland memes

[proper sorrel]

classic juneau sheffield jda memes

[hollow valve]

dev 30 fdg

[elder crane]

nah still ykkz probably

[proper sorrel]

fuck jda is event

[elder crane]

Oh right Sheff is perma now

[proper sorrel]

juneau sheff belfast

[elder crane]

anyways main go like Hiryuu Enty something

Maybe PoW

[trail temple]

#riptheportlanddream

[radiant brook]

"Porkland"

Hmm must be one tasty place

[hollow valve]

isn't ykkz also was from event

[proper sorrel]

perm in light

[hollow valve]

non event as in "still locked behind event?"

[elder crane]

she's perma for a long time now

[proper sorrel]

anyway, my shinano uses barracuda/comet kai/barracuda/avigas/mic from the polaris thing
hiryuu shiden kai/helldiver/ryuusei/avigas/beacon
nagato 406skc/mk17/staag/nel flag/wnt

[elder crane]

Currently running torpmemes so slightly diff

also no fighters on Nano? brave

[proper sorrel]

until wyvern

[hollow valve]

wyvern act like a fighter

[elder crane]

shinano uses F7F/Helldiver/barracuda/avigas/mic
hiryuu VF-17/suisei/818/avgas/beacon
nagato 406skc/mk17/staag/nel flag/beaver badge
for me

to pair with torpmemes

818 cause it's torpmemes, ya gotta embrace the RNG

[proper sorrel]

ah 818

[elder crane]

(aka if vanguard hard derps you pray for 818 to save your ass)

[hollow valve]

or just restart

[proper sorrel]

does it sync with torp memes

[elder crane]

restarting is for the weak

[hollow valve]

[elder crane]

it does, but I don't have magnetization on second launch

so

[thin cosmos]

2nd torp would be faster

pretty sure

[elder crane]

VF-17/suisei/818/avgas/beacon on Hiryuu is very fast launching with Nagato

also again doesn't matter since I'm running HMS+blacktips

maybe it's even better if I don't land 818, for my torps that is

but it's better for Shinano so guess that's fine since Nano should wipe anyways

[trail temple]

Could switch to using my hornet on Shinano

[thin cosmos]

to be honest, about your torp meme, I can't decide should I use it or not

[trail temple]

[proper sorrel]

I'm too lazy to grind for the torps

[elder crane]

try it out, it's fun for a while at least

[trail temple]

I didn't get enough black dildos to try torp meme

[elder crane]

until the RNG gets old and I start hating it again I guess

[trail temple]

[elder crane]

RIP

this is why I farmed up to three

[thin cosmos]

it's question like should I make a wall or should I make a try for best dec

[proper sorrel]

i wasn't even able to farm a second one

[trail temple]

I grinded my arse off, till about 55k points

[proper sorrel]

rng cucked me until the end

[elder crane]

for now probably wall the best?

[trail temple]

only 8 prints

[elder crane]

gatekeep for now then try to knock out better players towards end?

or just go for them immediately, the randos will fall off naturally anyways?

[thin cosmos]

my dec can make a try for any dec for at least 25%chance

if I change VG as your torp dec, maybe that chance can be little higher

but it also increase lose rate to weaker decs like nagato+amagi+hiryuu

for offense, of course torp dec is worse

cause you can't get more than 80%win rate in mirror

If we have a situation like before WNT, we had really low chance of try, so RNG torp was really needed.

So bluerendar, in this perspective, what's your goal?

[elder crane]

to have some fun and see if torps are viable at all
also the Shinanoyuu core is good enough to hard carry vs worse teams even if torps entirely whiff

[thin cosmos]

ok I see

I also tested ibuki azuma juneau

seems not bad but speed is matter

[trail temple]

I have seen a few people with that setup

and yeah, speed was a bit lacking

[light crystal]

Mike user

[candid sluice]

[sour oasis]

I forget who's event locked, Intrepid if she's in Build is a good sidekick to Essex and Enterprise. Otherwise Bunker Hill grind is there if you don't want to have Hiryu or PoW.

Front has to be Juneau Helena Sandy. Eldredge or Yukikaze (or even Charles Ausburne) instead of Sandy if you are okay with more RNG on defense on top of the pray for RNG on offense.

Just literally praying for Radar Scan + Lucky E and carpet bombing the entire exercise arena.

With all the AV/Hit boosting aux you can get, it is surprisingly effective. (Though like all meta designs, not foolproof)

[trail temple]

Intrepid came out with Bremerton, Reno, etc. so is event locked afaik

[elder crane]

Just Hiryuu with that smh

[thin cosmos]

basically hiryuu is very important when CV vs CV

[trail temple]

Go against the flow, triple BB main

[sour oasis]

Keep restarting with Long Island Ranger Bogue until you win

[trail temple]

Basically Kevo's def fleet

[sour oasis]

I actually did that before I got Enterprise. Come to think of it, did that after getting Enterprise too (save scum until win)

[radiant brook]

This is why I like fighting 3 BB teams

[radiant brook]

Is ryuusei viable in pvp?

[upper cove]

yes

[radiant brook]

I see ppl uses parallels a lot though

[upper cove]

barracudas are also viable

depends on what you want to do

[candid sluice]

Does the 20% dmg reduction of defense fleet affect crash dmg and AA dmg?

And DoTs?

[abstract horizon]

i know this sounds kinda dumb but

do i place sandy in the middle instead

because the destroyers have much more evasion

[trail temple]

your vg is just frail in general

[abstract horizon]

works for me though

[trail temple]

I mean, I did AOTN with Prinz Eugen but that doesn't mean it's a great idea

[upper cove]

crash damage, yes
AA, no idea but it's AA so
DoTs, no

[candid sluice]

I’d stick with sandy in the front but putting HP aux gears on her

[trail temple]

a rudder may be good to have

and a bulge as well maybe

[abstract horizon]

alr thanks

[elder crane]

Evasion is worth much less in PvP cause everyone and their mother has extremely high hit stat compared to PvE
And also luck

Good setups have pretty much all ships in the 150+ hit range

Wheres even the highest PvE enemies cap at just over 100 hit (11-HM, op siren specific SH/Abyss bosses)
For reference, 13-4 Taihou is just 75 hit

[hollow valve]

[thin cosmos]

as my caculation, hp aux for DD

low hp CL like Juneau can have both

all other case rudder better

[radiant brook]

What about +10 pearl tears? It has similar hp stats to toolbox

[thin cosmos]

it's just necessary item

you must put it at one of your vg

Also DD has very good tanking cause it has pvp buff. 5% evasion rate buff+ might have damage reduction too

[elder crane]

not really, evarate for DD in PvP still only range from 40-60% mark, which really cuts into their eHP

they do really well ofc vs opponents who don't put +hit aux on their main fleet

and aren't running torps/Azuma

but vs a proper setup, almost all destroyers tend to just disappear

if anything the main survivability they bring is their high base speed

[abstract cypress]

even nanoda easily sink rn

other DD just disappear in seconds

[elder crane]

tbf not many CL do much better

but ye
torps hit? ded
Richi hit? ded
runs into Nagato barrage (and not sandwiched)? ded
Azuma lands shots + barrage? half ded
Shinano lands strike? half ded, unless 818 Hiryuu lands, then mostly ded

[thin cosmos]

well in that sense, only tanker is azuma

I'm sure that Yuki and suzu have better tanking than Neptune

can you recall me damage reduction rate per ship type?

[abstract cypress]

depend on weapons

[thin cosmos]

not armor type reduction

[abstract cypress]

u can read wiki

dd got the highest when ca the lowest

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise

[thin cosmos]

thx.
so yeah 25% 20% 15%.

[elder crane]

Vs 150 hit 50 luck, ignoring fires (which favors Neptune more since higher HP/lower evarate)
Yukikaze peaks at 14691 eHP
Suzu peaks at 12549 eHP + smoke
Neptune peaks at 13348 eHP but has less speed, more reasonably with one +speed aux is 12205 eHP

unoathed stats since too lazy to modify calculator

and those two are by far the tankiest DDs
well, guess you can toss tashkent in too

that's with the PvP mods ofc

[thin cosmos]

shinano 15% eva buff

[elder crane]

ofc that's specifically for non-CV dmg, lemme account for CV dmg too

ah good point lemme fix the numbers

[thin cosmos]

so as you can see even vs 150 hits, they are better than Neptune.
And Neptune is the most tanky CL in light armor

[elder crane]

37805 eHP
41914 eHP
50991 eHP

vs CVs

heavily favoring Nep ofc since much higher AA

and nah that goes to Noshiro pretty sure

or actually it doesn't nvm, ye at 150 hit her evarate mod isn't nearly as good

anyways the discussion wasn't about ykkz/suzu, it was about DDs in general

Let's take his Laffey for example

assuming 100% uptime on skill, which is absurd
10203 eHP
27276 eHP vs planes

let's compare that to sandy, assuming one +speed aux

[thin cosmos]

It feels like bringing peasants at battle field as I feel

[elder crane]

9430 eHP
58070 eHP vs planes

ehh kinda close actually

eHP vs planes don't really matter if she dies before CV strike

tbf all of this is ignoring fires, which will favor lower evarate ships (i.e. CLs here)

[thin cosmos]

so return to his dec, better put DD front and save sandy

[elder crane]

lemme input a reasonable laffey uptime btw

8612 eHP when not up
which means

9109 eHP if assuming 35% uptime, which is still high since early uptime will be lower than that

but probably better to Laffey lead still cause Sandy maybe doesn't explode to CVs when those come in

[thin cosmos]

so I think this issue has been solved

[elder crane]

ayakai at 9296 eHP with +15% evasion

[abstract cypress]

most dd just died on face torp, why bother counting

[elder crane]

most *anything just died on face torp

[thin cosmos]

it was good for me cause I never did exact calculations.

and now I see the exact number

[sour oasis]

You also were strategic in picking your fights too right? Not like you were taking on every fight.

[radiant brook]

So I lost two exercises so far, am I locked out of AotN in avrora?

[thin cosmos]

u can take it with more than 5lose

[radiant brook]

5 losses... Seems doable

[sacred heath]

i dropped like 4 or 5 last season due to laziness and still got aotn

[radiant brook]

Are you in avrora?

Or in a more lenient server like amagi?

[thin cosmos]

basically critical point is rush

at last moment

I don't believe there are 10players for all refresh time

if you spend all just after charge, you would have 5more than others

so 5lose ok even for that sense

[radiant brook]

I fear avrora is so tryhard/competitive that losing once can lock you out

[thin cosmos]

and delayed point give high chance to get more points per battle

which day lose it was?

I mean from season start

what I can is if I just don't play 5matches at first day, I can get same score at the last day

[radiant brook]

First and 2nd day loss

One loss for each day

[thin cosmos]

totally nothing

just do tactic for rank point earn

I heard your way and it seems bad

never use all chance

[candid sluice]

If you time your rush correctly aotn is always possible

[radiant brook]

When is the best time to rush

[trail temple]

I've missed 7 games and still got aotn on avrora

And team Mic is making me too curious, I gotta try it

[candid sluice]

Check leaderboards and rush whenever u can top the top10 scores

[radiant brook]

What if you are around rank 1k after refresh?

[sacred heath]

at the end of season? you might not be able to get it

you have to be within 100 points of the person ranked #10 right before refresh

and rush immediately after refresh

[trail temple]

@elder crane I ran into your fleet

It was definitely amusing to watch. Sadly I didn't have time to really get some trials through

[elder crane]

It's pretty fun ye

At least for now

Up until we start getting tired of it and get frustrated by the RNG

[elder crane]

For week 1 misses, I've hit temp rank 1 during AotN rushing with 9 matches missed before

So ye, don't worry too much about it
You usually make most things up with bonuses on week 2

[thin cosmos]

I gonna make some minmaxing

[trail temple]

I wasn't running bulges but I would have done 10 with and 10 without to see what happened

[radiant brook]

@elder crane was it avrora?

[elder crane]

Yep

[sacred heath]

[thin cosmos]

still I can't accept that unstable.

[radiant brook]

Yeah because I thought avrora is competitive to a fault, to the point of not getting that +1 could lock you out of AoTN

[elder crane]

Week 1 missed matches don't matter too much even with just a bit of sandbag

Avrora too competitive

So no one rushes

[thin cosmos]

But thinking about just magnetic vs HMS torp

[elder crane]

Too busy sandbagging for EoS rank

[radiant brook]

Wdym "too competitive so no one rushes"?

[trail temple]

#morerushersonavroraplz

[elder crane]

HMS torps miles better for offense
tight spread means it doesn't just fly off the screen
Well, ofc if enemy baits magnetic effect it still can, but a lot better than without

[elder crane]

Best score players all compete with each other on end of season ranking
So they don't rush since that decreases end score

That means during rush timings, there's not many ppl w very high scores rushing, so it's not too bad

[thin cosmos]

my plan is just put 2 HMS torp without oxy

[elder crane]

Oh that
Could be interesting if it means you can kill a main early occasionally, and that vanguard still wins/trades out, I guess

[thin cosmos]

in bad situation, it would just do nothing and I can fight with gun+air strike

in good situation, I can cut off about half HP

and since most strong decs use manjuu at there juneau

juneau wouldn't die at first air strike

and half hp main ship can be killed by 1 air strike

ibuki+azuma+juneau is best for this plan, but it's too slow as I think

so for now, just changing 2torp for suzu and juneau is my plan

with 2 13 torp+wyvern, it could kill 1 back line in quite high chance I think

[trail temple]

Might see a return of the torp bulge

[light crystal]

Ok guys, just in case some of happen to shit ur pants over sweaty torp memes with HMS torps, consider the following meme fleet to counter torp meme fleets:

Richy(WNT/Nelson)/Littorio/Amagi, Juneau/Algerie/Noshiro (Buldges on all 3)

[thin cosmos]

you can't save your BB when bad RNG

and BB has no stealth, so if 1salvo avoid VG and heading to BB surely dead

bulge on BB+yuki might can be a solution

then you would lose to other decs

[trail temple]

Ok guys, just in case some of happen to shit ur pants over sweaty torp memes with HMS torps, consider the following meme fleet to counter torp meme fleets:
Pretty sure Quyet showed us what happened with a similiarish fleet. It didn't end well that's for sure

I wonder if Avrorans who are sandbagging will eventually get sick of waiting forever and go back to rushing or if other, not-approved by yostar, methods will start to surface more

[light crystal]

I mean, sure. Triple BB is gonna be at a disadvantage against CV's

But u do it cuz ur scared shitless of torp memes and u don't care about anything else

[trail temple]

💨

[thin cosmos]

I can't get your point

[trail temple]

He's being facetious

[thin cosmos]

BB is weaker vs HMS torp than CV...

[trail temple]

The premise is Richi, debuffs damage, Amagi also debuffs damage and Littorio provides shields to try and counteract the initial damage

[somber axle]

Wot is sandbag? 👀

[trail temple]

And you're hoping RNG is in your favour so that the frontline intercepts and that your shields take it

Wot is sandbag? 👀
@somber axle being an uncultured degenerate

[candid sluice]

Has it really come to a point where running littorio is necessary

[trail temple]

Bittorio new meta when

[radiant brook]

Aritorrio

Amagi/Richy/litt

[light crystal]

Well, pretty sure your VG would be immune against torpedoes too. The amount of anti-torp stacks on it are through the moon at that point (WNT/Nelson/Noshiro/Algerie/Bulges/Amagi/Littorio/Richy). Like bruh, they can facetank all the torps all day, literally gobble them up lmao

[trail temple]

LGBTQIttorio

[light crystal]

EMBRACE THE COUNTER TORP MEME

[candid sluice]

That fleet gonna get wiped by CV backline

[light crystal]

FUCK CV's, COUNTER THE TORPS

[trail temple]

Just use mics and radar

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

GG EZ

[candid sluice]

Dang u right

Bulge aa radar meta

[light crystal]

Yes, Mics and Radar. There u go

[thin cosmos]

there can be semi torp also

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

Ultimate anti meta

[radiant brook]

Add sandy and Cheshire to make it even better

[light crystal]

But then u don't counter the torp

[trail temple]

We're focusing on torps

[candid sluice]

But torps wipe u

[trail temple]

Torps are the issue!

[light crystal]

U counter the torp, CV's are an after thought

[candid sluice]

Just use +13 sexybofors on all ships ez

Planes can’t drop bombs if they’re shot down before

[thin cosmos]

ibuki alone can kill any back line with good rng

[trail temple]

That's why Juneau goes and says: "YOU SHALL NOT, PASS!"

[light crystal]

But then wut do they do against the VG? Nothing, cuz they're all on the torp meme. So ur VG will then roll over them

[trail temple]

and gobbles them up and dying

[light crystal]

[trail temple]

Excield, you have convinced me

[light crystal]

Now go young padawan. You got the power.

[thin cosmos]

well.... this isn't that easy situation

[light crystal]

COUNTER THE TORP MEME

[trail temple]

[thin cosmos]

azuma and Juneau can hold VG for long time like now

ibuki would fuck you in worst case for you

[trail temple]

I wouldn't mind if Ibuki did that tbh, she's hot

[thin cosmos]

anti torp dec can't win nanoryuu +azuma jeneau

[trail temple]

We're not countering non-torp meme teams though

It's all about torps

That's all we care about

[thin cosmos]

I will record some with that dec

also for against torp dec the topic is quite odd

it's not the issue of torp dec is stronger

but in bad rng anyway can lose by torp meme

[light crystal]

🚀

The Torp Meme has been stopped. It's deded.

[thin cosmos]

I don't think so for sure

https://youtu.be/k5TLCUh9j5U

watch and tell me what is your plan to save back line

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

Torp bulge on shinano and nagato obv

[light crystal]

Mics, Radars and sex bofors +13 will save the day, EZ. All u care about is countering the torp meme anyway. U care about nothing else but the torp meme. Rely on the mike and Radar, and the sex bofors +13 to take care of the CV, it's their job. But ur main focus is to take care of the torp menace:

🚀 ⛔

[somber axle]

[candid sluice]

🛫🛫🛫

[thin cosmos]

I had to be same server with you to give a retreat

[candid sluice]

Come over to EN servers

[thin cosmos]

go there and get my level account is different)))

[somber axle]

PVP too hard bye

[trail temple]

WTB rushers

[sour oasis]

I am a RUSH player. Running Underwhelming Squad of Hotties.
Ping me pay me.

http://pm1.narvii.com/5868/68c7b30fb78b24b1590240c6347a3411e3bb81b0_hq.jpg

[trail temple]

[frail orbit]

Thats lame
I like it

[radiant brook]

Welp lost my 3rd game just now from a dev 30 fdg that instant killed my backline

Nugget/Amagi/fdg, MLB/dev 30 at rank 4k on avrorra

Seems legit

Can't wait for the server to become so sandbaggy that losing one game can cost you AoTN

Rank 4k has a cancer team, idk if it's just early game or the server being very competitive

[candid sluice]

My condolences

[radiant brook]

Idk if that's a truthful one or a sarcastic remark tbh

[candid sluice]

If it doesn’t have a then in serious

[radiant brook]

TIL

[sour oasis]

It's Avrora. Also, why did you pick that team to fight if you knew you couldn't handle it? (And why didn't you restart if it looked like you were going to lose.)

If your goal is just the 2.5k AotN merit, just use all your exercises on easy to win fights.

If your goal is to have the highest EoS score... Either use a time machine or sink cubes and gold for specific Research, because you've got to try harder than the tryhards and be luckier then the luccsaccs.

[leaden sky]

and it's triple bb, use your triple cv backline

[trail temple]

You assume his vg can win the fight

[upper cove]

Doesn't need to win the fight

Just needs to be alive

[trail temple]

It won't

[sour oasis]

Just keep restarting until RNG is favorable

[trail temple]

You know, I complain a lot about the lack of newcomers into pvp, and how small the playerbase has become (i.e. less people for me to leech off of) and I do actually want Leon to eventually get better and successfully participate in PvP.

However, the fleet is underwhelming in its synergy, level and (probably) gearing, and I expect that for a newcomer. But instead of using the energy to pursue an endeavour such as this, it would be better if the time was spent putting together a proper team (it doesn't have to the best fleet, but one can that compete in the current environment), and getting the right gears. One can luccsacc themselves to a few victories here and there, but most of the time it's just sheer frustration of constantly having to reset if you're running a crap fleet.
/rant

[thin cosmos]

so what's your point?

[trail temple]

For you Novo, I will happily give you the tl;dr

Git gud

[thin cosmos]

tl;dr
Git gud?

[trail temple]

Yes

[thin cosmos]

sorry I don't know that word...

[trail temple]

A quick google search should help

[thin cosmos]

hmm

lack of newcomers into pvp is not only for azur lane

it should be fun or have reward but azur lane doesn't have both.

azur lane can't be control based pvp due to it's game structure, so must be dec based auto pvp

and dec based is totally depends on what he knows+what he has

we have solution for much more players play pvp, but that would cause so many dissatisfaction since the user propensity is more focused on collecting characters

[light crystal]

I have been asking for better rewards for a long time. Actual rewards other than Merits for Top X, and an actual scoreboard that shows Placement of people. That along would make it more interesting. Until then, just build good teams that win, or just have fun coming up with new teams with consistency for wins, that's about there is

[radiant brook]

@sour oasis I mistapped on the pause button right before enty dies

[thin cosmos]

some other games give reward for pvp rank and so many hate it.

[sour oasis]

Pause earlier. Were there no other easier fights?

[radiant brook]

Nope

[trail temple]

There is certainly a lack of incentives to do pvp. Aside from it being free exp and easiest way to get bulins, that will only gonna carry people for so long before they no longer need that

[radiant brook]

Refreshed 5/5 times and it's cancer fleets

I was waiting for lucky E to proc but didn't

By the time I see it I mistapped on the pause button and she died

[thin cosmos]

Most people don't act like "I should try hard and learn to get that reward"

[light crystal]

Well, here's the opposite. I see alot of ppl complaining the reward itself is not there. Perhaps over in Korea mentalities might be a bit different than elsewhere, who knows

[radiant brook]

Yeah asia has a very different mentality

[thin cosmos]

Instead they act like "Why operator give reward for stronger players! I don't want to do pvp and also don't want others get better reward than me"

[light crystal]

The main reward here is the Bulins. And that's it. U do get the occasional Cube or gold chest, like once or twice per week kek

[royal oyster]

the huge merit reward for aotn is 2.5k/season, which is one extra gold bulin every 3 months

[light crystal]

I have been doing PvP since November of 2018, and I've had fun with the actual battles. And later with trying to place high on Scoreboard (As temporary as it was). And then there the Merit shop. As of about a year or so they have nerfed it a great deal, with less Cubes and gold chests. They have instead added daily restocking Bulins, but more girls to take space from the pool of rewards.

[thin cosmos]

Personally I'm very hard PvP tasty player. I like no attacker buff+no retreat+ranking based reward+defender strength based point per battle

And adding a skin or diamond reward would be perfect for me.

But what I want to say is player like me is very niche at least for Asian Azur lane players, specially for japan

[elder crane]

Personally I've been promoting a halfway thing

remove bonus based on relative rank
+2 pt per fight
-1 pt every time you enter a fight

[thin cosmos]

So we all knows how to make better PvP but so many hate better PvP system.

[royal oyster]

everyone can agree that bonus points based on relative score promotes a degenerate playstyle

[thin cosmos]

And mobile games goes as how the payer want. Skin collectors are major income source not pvp players for Azur lane, so PvP isn't just care for them)

So might surprizing for you guys, really a lot of players hate good PvP system

[trail temple]

A lot of players being the Asian market? Or the Asian market + everyone else?

[thin cosmos]

about 80% size is asia

[royal oyster]

anything changing the pvp system to be dependent on the strength of your offense/defense fleet will still shut out new players like the above, probably worse than it is now

so changes in that direction will still benefit those who invest into their pvp fleets

[trail temple]

The current system also encourages alt boosting which is a tos breach. It will only require some lunatic who's also dumb to have multiple alts and make it blatantly obvious that they're using multiple accounts for yostar to notice it

[royal oyster]

if someone wants to go to those lengths to win, I'll congratulate them for the effort

[sour oasis]

Well, the good news is you can fight the rightmost fight 210 times (the whole season, no bonus farming) and still have a great chance at getting AotN. A few losses can be made up by picking a few bonuses.

[sour oasis]

And profiting somehow.

[trail temple]

inb4 I am the lunatic

[light crystal]

My only problem with taking Reset away is that it will make it even more Meta than before. Ppl wont be able to use their waifu or half-cobbled 120 fleets to play and progress anymore. Also, there's gonna be those that cheat and will win every time someway I'm sure. Like, resetting hasn't been the issue. Perhaps if it stays u can get rid of the Attacker damage multiplier and such. Some may have to reset even more than others, but that may be the main way to dissuade them to try more consistent fleets rather than just give up entirely.

[sour oasis]

"Ping me pay me." - RUSH squad leader AL Snow ||pro-wrestling joke||

[light crystal]

Again, I have just been promoting a better reward system: Rewards for X placers, and a scoreboard that's more persistent rather than resetting right away when new season starts. That's it

[sour oasis]

So two tiers, one gives reward, other for flex?

[candid sluice]

I agree, the rewards for pvp is underwhelming

[trail temple]

Resetting also reduces the amount RNG has against the attacker. Can you imagine losing to some guy's enty proccing every time and their eldridge just keeping vg alive all the time?

[sour oasis]

Often Yes.

I wonder why defense fleet can't be rewarded. Like for everyone who beats them they get xp.

[thin cosmos]

Cause there are so many people hate that

[sour oasis]

Why

[light crystal]

I highly doubt is that. It's more that they just simply don't care lmao

So you know, hopefully they start caring more in the future

[sour oasis]

I leave my level 1 units on defense. If a bunch of players beat them up, they'll slowly level to level 10. The growth has to be less than dorm rate.

[thin cosmos]

Do you know Princess connect? It's also mobile game.

[light crystal]

We did get a bunch of new PvP items recently, so that's nice. At least their interest in making PvP-related updates isn't completely absent. They're just slow af

[thin cosmos]

oh that can be a good example

I see really so many many players hate new PvP itmes

main reason is "those items make defender can fight better"

[sour oasis]

No one on defense should use them. They could. And in specific instances it may help. But most of the time the items are to the attacker's benefit.

[thin cosmos]

nonono it's better for defender for sure

[sour oasis]

nonono it's better for attacker for sure

[thin cosmos]

point should be different

[sour oasis]

The two exercise items bolster CV damage/reduce BB damage or reduce overall damage.

[thin cosmos]

the weaker attacker could win much stronger defender before

now it's really hard

[sour oasis]

How. Show me your logic.

[thin cosmos]

major way to win much stronger defender was 2

snipe important ship by warkai

kill juneau while other ships in full hp

[sour oasis]

But also, what if Warkai snipe your important ship. Or your Juneau killed while everyone else was full HP.

Those items stop that from happening to YOU.

[thin cosmos]

attacker can change placement

also those 2 what I mentioned means more RNG

RNG always favor weaker

[sour oasis]

Those what you mentioned are more RNG. To hope you kill Juneau early is pretty RNG.

RNG never favors anyone. That's why it's RNG. It's why Eldredge isn't tier SS.

[thin cosmos]

absolutely not

without RNG, you can't win much stronger dec in anycase

with high RNG, you can win some times

[sour oasis]

A torpedo vanguard on offense isn't hurt as much by WNT as a torpedo vanguard on defense.

[thin cosmos]

yeah that's good example

that's why the weaker attacker now hard to win

[sour oasis]

You will have to give more examples. The only way a weaker attacker can't win is if they lack specific ships (which has always been a problem for newer players).

Just saying "weak attacker" and "strong defender" is very vague.

[thin cosmos]

just fact is this

I couldn't block some leveled player before

now I can

[sour oasis]

Which players. What fleets are fighting.

[royal oyster]

I think the cv changes have more to do with that

beforehand you could in theory rely on shelling rng

[thin cosmos]

like full 120 unoathed nagato amagi hiryuu

[sour oasis]

You are using deductive reasoning from a limited pool.

[sour oasis]

Mirror fight?
I asked what fleets are fighting. Who is the defender, who is the attacker.

[thin cosmos]

my defender dec

[sour oasis]

If they use WNT, a torpedo attacker can still wipe out the vanguard. If they use FM, a torpedo attacker will definitely wipe out the vanguard.

But that is also a super hard defender for a new/lower powered player.

[thin cosmos]

no!

the problem is no matter you set, you have chance for retreat

[sour oasis]

Of course. Torpedoes are very RNG. Reset until vanguard (or flagship) dies in first/second salvo.

[thin cosmos]

and that's already painful

and before those 2 updates, you didn't have to do that.

Just mirror and could win almost every time

[sour oasis]

Well, a weaker or newer player won't have Azuma (or even Shinano) to mirror (and definitely no oaths)

[thin cosmos]

well

like full 120 unoathed nagato amagi hiryuu

I said this first

and they could win me before shinano

[sour oasis]

Not in that context. It's like saying I said 'win', just didn't say who would win.

[royal oyster]

it's more a shinano/cv problem than the new items

[thin cosmos]

there was time with shinano and no new items and I couldn't win nagato amagi hiryuu attacker

major reason is I can't save my juneau to get full heal and VG can't survived till the 2nd air strike

[sour oasis]

120 unoathed nagato amagi hiryuu... Not really. It would be very RNG that Shinano doesn't debuff vanguard. I would use Richelieu Amagi + Aurora for triple starting debuff as attacker.

The Elite Repair Manjuu does make it harder for attackers I will say.

[thin cosmos]

Do you change dec every time to make best counter?

[sour oasis]

Of course.

[thin cosmos]

omg

I never do that.

[sour oasis]

I'm poor and new, so I have to.

[thin cosmos]

It's bother thing

[sour oasis]

If I had oath rings and +11 equipment, maybe I wouldn't.

I am underdeveloped so I have to change.

[sour oasis]

Rich person problem

[thin cosmos]

And it's ok for me to force opponents change his dec

Anyway the point is harder to win than before due to lower RNG

[sour oasis]

I can't force you not to. You get no direct immediate incentives to encourage new players to play PvP.

You will make players like Noob thirsty for new players so their list moves more often

[thin cosmos]

new players can't win any 120 decs. So they are not my concern

[sour oasis]

Only if more people flex.

[sour oasis]

Why not

And where is "decs" from?

[royal oyster]

actually I think the new cv changes have made it easier for people to win just through airstrike rng

stacking a bunch of carriers and hoping for the best can work

[thin cosmos]

oh deck

[sour oasis]

Ranger Long Island and Lucky E until win. Fun times.

[thin cosmos]

my main goal is bothering "old stupid players" who don't want to know what is proper gear

[sour oasis]

What. You want them to flex harder.

Oh right, you treat PvP like a puzzle challenge.

But it's boring if all the defense fleets are the same.

[royal oyster]

in a meta sense, griping over having difficult fights in a pvp environment is a little odd

[sour oasis]

And most...

It's bother thing

If you are bothered, they are bothered

[royal oyster]

outside of the limited merit rewards, why wouldn't people want to go up against challenging stuff?

[sour oasis]

https://www.nerfnow.com/comic/1240

[trail temple]

You will make players like Noob thirsty for new players so their list moves more often
@sour oasis I am as thirsty for new players rushing on my list as the teacher from Nourin is for her male students

[sour oasis]

I actually do want a side mode that's all puzzles or mini games, like the event ones. (I just like puzzles and mini games.) Most players aren't puzzle-makers.

[thin cosmos]

I'm happy with I get retreat. It makes more tension and make feeling of some game not just killing easy meat.

[radiant brook]

Also retreat allows you an escape from the 20/20 cancer fleets

[trail temple]

What's a cancer fleet?

[thin cosmos]

So that's why not many plays pvp

[sour oasis]

Welcome to game-dev hell. How to attract casuals, but also turn them into a loyal hardcore base so they won't leave.

Not that I'm sour about gamedev ||I am so very ||

[thin cosmos]

you are chasing round triangle)))

[sour oasis]

https://www.nerfnow.com/comic/1240

[trail temple]

[thin cosmos]

simply they want reward not the process

They would ok with delete PvP at all and just give merit as attendance reward

[sour oasis]

I do miss Advance Wars. I liked making custom multi-player maps. But no one else did.

[thin cosmos]

Still there are player believe as "attacker can win anyway. So thinking about what is good teams and gear is meaningless"

My defense fleet is to teach them

[light crystal]

I do like the battle aspect and building up for it.

That's always been fun since day one for me

[sour oasis]

You should change the names of the ships in defense fleet. So it says a message. Like Donald Trump.

[thin cosmos]

I did in korean...

shinano name means"you said attacker always win"

[sour oasis]

Sorry, didn't pay attention to your screen cap.

[trail temple]

Trump's is better than most. Others are just generic slagging

There is the rick roll guy

[mint hornet]

Trumps Super duper rocket

[trail temple]

I remember that one!

[thin cosmos]

trump meme totally not famous in here

anyway I have to win who has most ships+gear but just stupid

players like keep refuse to use beaver is good example

[trail temple]

Dude's a chad. The hero we need

[light crystal]

Wow, only 78% collection. ~~ Does he only collect american ships or something lmao~~

Meanwhile, me

[proper sorrel]

probably missing retrofits

[trail temple]

That 100% though

💨

[candid sluice]

[sour oasis]

This guy again?

[abstract cypress]

just lose 5 tries, fuck pvp

[sour oasis]

[trail temple]

One of them is not like the others

[candid sluice]

[north vine]

wyvern shinano, perfectly balanced

[thin cosmos]

holy lucky guy!]

plz show me video!

[north vine]

i didnt record
i had her do 80k vs an fdg but forgot to sc

[meager valley]

holy shit nagato oudamaged juneau

what the hell did you do

[north vine]

her barrage proced
also thats lv 95 juneau

[meager valley]

what barrage

[north vine]

yeh

[thin cosmos]

does wyvern really intercept?

[elder crane]

yes

the crash dmg is pretty solid

[thin cosmos]

you also made?

[elder crane]

Yep

[thin cosmos]

oh plz upload video

[abstract cypress]

u need to be maso grinder to get that

[elder crane]

so far haven't seen such lopsided dmg since the rest of my team isn't garbage

[abstract cypress]

[elder crane]

well I did suffer through two 130% c6 abyss I guess?

for final print

[north vine]

just gotta get another wyvern
to fully make it balanced

[elder crane]

tbh it hasn't really been that overwhelming

nice boost in dmg though

[abstract cypress]

i cant even clear shop last month

grind never end

[elder crane]

tf did you do

[abstract cypress]

have life

[elder crane]

I ended with over 6k hexs and over 700k coin

[north vine]

as long as you bought 3 UR design from shop you are safe

[abstract cypress]

whats the 3 ur

only got 2 torp and 1 plane

[elder crane]

oof

[delicate owl]

general ur prints

[north vine]

big oof

[elder crane]

there's general UR prints from the shop ye

[abstract cypress]

sads

[elder crane]

three of them

that'll be your main source of UR plane prints unless you luccsacc

[radiant brook]

Can I use a lvl 70 LB0 Juneau in pvp with manjuu?

[abstract cypress]

thats suicidal

[north vine]

atleast mlb her

[elder crane]

honestly probably yes lol

cause manjuu

but ye at least MLB

[abstract cypress]

ur fleet hasnt even lost 10% and she will ded

[elder crane]

sammich her and it's fiiiine

[north vine]

you can get torp cheesed easily with a 0lb juneau

[elder crane]

ehh

happens regardless

or like you want jun to absorb all the torps

with Manjuu

instead of rest of fleet

[radiant brook]

Torp cheese

Well my vanguard will just die along with her

[north vine]

slap juneau if she lives

[thin cosmos]

so about wyvern does it drop torp when intercept?

[abstract cypress]

inb4 i make yuki tank

[elder crane]

no ofc

[north vine]

no

[abstract cypress]

[elder crane]

do fighters drop bombs when intercept?

[north vine]

that would be broken

[elder crane]

smh

[radiant brook]

Crucify Juneau if she lives

Ftfy, she isn't called Jesus for nothing

[elder crane]

the crash is quite nice though
takes like 15% avg off enemy main fleet

[abstract cypress]

only fighter can intercept rught?

[thin cosmos]

yes they do sometimes

[north vine]

and wyvern

[elder crane]

they... don't

[radiant brook]

Wyvern can intercept

[elder crane]

[abstract cypress]

broken

[radiant brook]

Well wyvern is rainbownt

[abstract cypress]

they dont

they crash tho

[thin cosmos]

fighters shouldn't drop bomb but sometimes they do

[elder crane]

they... don't

proof or you're just being weird

[radiant brook]

So the bombs they have is just a dummy

[abstract cypress]

they drop bomb when take off

not intercept

[trail temple]

Intercept planes basically fly over shoot planes and isekai themselves

[elder crane]

note that you get a spread of ghost bombs right after airstrike, which comes from the CV, before the main strike reaches
easy to mistake that for something else
or ofc barrages that you forget about

and ofc you get issues w visual desync on shells, which is easy to mistake too

[thin cosmos]

hiryuu has only TB at barrage, right?

[elder crane]

Ye, Souryuu is the one with DB barrage

[thin cosmos]

I saw red circle at barrage exchange

I have video

[elder crane]

you sure it's not Azuma/BB doing it?

or Cheshire etc

[thin cosmos]

faster than BB much bigger than azuma

let me find

[elder crane]

What's enemy vanguard?

[thin cosmos]

mirror

azuma yuki juneau

[uncut agate]

Looks like Azuma barrage targeting

[elder crane]

I'm more inclined to believe it's azuma visual bug ye

the clustering and timing are exactly right for it

[thin cosmos]

azuma gun effect seen as white

and smaller

so it's definitly 500lb bomb effect

now I'm searching about bomb it self and damage

[elder crane]

That's the splash effect, not the red targeting circle though?

also with barrage Azuma keeps firing for a good few seconds, so all the effects overlap in the middle

[thin cosmos]

ok I see

I couldn't find bomb drop

and it seems azuma barrage effect

it's funny that barrage have BB gun fire effect while main gun isn't

so I had misunderstanding about intercept

[candid sluice]

@elder crane do u think wyvern intercept is good enough to where first slot shinano fighter can be replaced with a tb?

[radiant brook]

Is it normal that I'm 134 points behind t10 with 5/10 exercises?

[uncut agate]

if you lost a few matches or missed some attempts, that's normal.

the gap will narrow in the 2nd week

[abstract horizon]

do i run dual divebomber or replace the other one with a fighter

[trail temple]

The gap will narrow, or widen depending on the number of losses he racks up

[frail orbit]

But why

Remember 2db being slow af

[radiant brook]

So far 3 losses, hope I don't get a 4/4 cancer torp meme

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

Am I locked out of AoTN?

[candid sluice]

No

[abstract cypress]

1 db (sb3c) 2 tb (wyvern)

[ebon kraken]

[elder crane]

Seems sketch if enemy runs AA imo
Cause if Hiryuu barrage gets shot down, idk about spotting situation

[elder crane]

[thin cosmos]

so still better fighters at shinano?

also the reload time gap is matter

should put wyvern at hiryuu for similar reload but 3planes on her while shinano 4

[elder crane]

shinano takes wyverns for sure, as you said, 4 slots and also she has higher AVI to back it up

also Hiryuu actually cares about launching fast for the mirror while Nano can kinda just do whatever

[thin cosmos]

Cause at the last both hiryuu stand alone? Acceptable.

I wonder about plane hp lose due to more exposure time to AA fire

[elder crane]

No chance for big numbers on Shinano

[thin cosmos]

looks fun)

[sour oasis]

Is it even worth it to have more AA for Shinano versus more surface damage? There's a very low probability of wiping out a meta backline before meta vanguard dies.

[thin cosmos]

I think the ratio matter

5% damage vs 5% AA would be absolutely damage

but I wonder 1%damage vs 10% AA

[elder crane]

You actually do more dmg to enemy vanguard with mic

[sour oasis]

?

My question was more along the lines of "do I give Shinano fighters at all for PvP"

Never mentioned mic. Though what aux would it be replacing

[elder crane]

Fighter AA doesn't really matter

I'm using avgas mic

You use fighter for spotting things

That's it

I don't think 4 wyvern+hiryuu 3 fighters enough to spot

And Hiryuu barrage actually can get shot down by Juneau if unlucky (or just shot down unless lucky if they have better AA ships)

Pretty sure

[sour oasis]

I've had my Hiryu final counter get snuffed by Sandy Helena and a well timed Lucky E intercept. The enemy's other CV took no damage.

[elder crane]

How did you get final counter but Sandy not ded, I suppose

[sour oasis]

I assume either lag or swarm was fly-swatted

[elder crane]

Also I assume avgas mounted?

Also how did lucky E into Hiryuu FC

[sour oasis]

The defense fleet was made to try and wipe backline before vanguard.

[elder crane]

With Hiryuu?

[sour oasis]

It didn't work so well in that regard, but it was heavy air and AA

[elder crane]

Wiping enemy main first?

Idk about that

Ye

[sour oasis]

No, it was USS defense fleet

My attack fleet was mainly IJN

[elder crane]

Ok now I'm confused
Cause how did Hiryuu FC get lucky-Ed by USN def team
Timing isn't right for that?

[sour oasis]

What do you mean, Hiryu FC happens on death damage. Lucky E activated at 22 seconds, 27 seconds, and 17 seconds. Regularly.

So every 1.06 I ate three blasts, supported by other USS CV barrages.

[elder crane]

Wat
Cause USN fleet should do burst around lucky E timing
So Hiryuu should pop FC in reply to lucky E

Which is why I'm confused, timings seem to be off

[sour oasis]

Yup. But there was just so much damage, it popped in between Lucky.

[elder crane]

Seems weird, idk

[sour oasis]

So... Very unlucky for me.

[elder crane]

Ye guess unlucky

[abstract cypress]

conversation about meta shit get wrecked

so refreshin

[sour oasis]

It was meta versus a different meta.

[abstract cypress]

tf u call rng reliant counter a meta

[sour oasis]

Meta is RNG

At some point in your PvP career, you may be cursed to have your 14k/14k attack fleet get stomped by a 3k/9k Eldredge+Enterprise defense fleet. Then you reconsider what meta is.

[abstract cypress]

its not like u cant lose with non meta, it applies on every game

the definition is always be the optimal way to win the game

basically just count the number of similiar fleets in pvp = meta

[sour oasis]

Isn't meta trying to out-think the other person? Tactics have been the same since forever: win by overpowering or out-numbering your opponent. Meta tactics would be sneak attacks or fighting for attrition.

So you see a bunch of "high efficiency" fleets... Nagato Hiryu Shinano Juneau Jintsu Yukikaze for example... That's not meta, that's just good planning.

Meta would be weird crap like torpedo memes.

[abstract cypress]

meta is more like overpowering all

[sour oasis]

That's just overpowering.

Meta is.. Different.

[abstract cypress]

thats meta

planning is more like counter-meta

[sour oasis]

The one true ring (Lord of the Rings) wasn't meta. It was cheats.

Counter overpowering is meta.

You will have to convince me with references on a consensus to the term "counter meta"

[abstract cypress]

its hard since AL is linear

not paper rock scissor

[sour oasis]

That is true too.

[abstract cypress]

so u could just put most overpowered ship to define meta

[sour oasis]

Damage surge are a supreme wild card though (torpedoes, lucky E, etc)

[abstract cypress]

so tldr shinano is what defines meta, since shes OP

then put her support/other good ship around him, thats meta fleet

[sour oasis]

She's a bar. But still, how do ships like Enterprise (extra damage), Warspite (precision sniping), and Belfast (CV protection) measure up is weird.

[abstract cypress]

thats counter meta

[sour oasis]

That's just meta.

You wouldn't say rock paper scissors was meta and counter meta. Just meta.

[abstract cypress]

u could call it meta too then

[sour oasis]

[abstract cypress]

ah it bcs i fcked up between defense meta and attack meta

at defense u dunno who to face, thus usin overpower ship is meta

at attack, just do what u want since 20% buff so

everythin meta

meta = Most Effective Tactical Approach

[sour oasis]

Meta transcendental knowledge: how to skirt the established rules of warfare.

What one believes is their one true strength becomes their greatest weakness.

Being able to win against perceived stacked odds because you know of a backdoor is meta.

[sacred heath]

[abstract cypress]

it should be meguSugoi, why u name it wat

[abstract cypress]

man i rank up fast, seems like peeps missin tries like me

[royal oyster]

a very small percentage of the playerbase finish the season with more than the baseline score of 2496

probably less than 10% on any given server

[sour oasis]

Considering the EoS tracker, the lowest scores tend to be 2510~2530. Looking at the list an hour earlier, at least on Avrora, you can see those who will be at rank 101-150 are about 20 points below that; it's a steep drop off from EoS top 100. Considering that there are about 10~12k players on each server (from Sandy that played only 1 PvP match), and about 6k who actively play win more than the base 3/daily (from Amagi)... The % might be higher than we think (only because there are fewer players that attempt all their exercise).

I can't even begin to speculate how many players are going for a high score versus those who just to it to empty their exercises versus those who just want the merit.

[trail temple]

Something for the ALM statistics team

[thin cosmos]

there is some odd way to do excercise))

I try to rush at early days of season like newbies,

Then my team would give huge point when they attack. So it's really tasty meal like a bate.

But I I think still I could have more than 2500 at the end of season

[trail temple]

2500? Or do you mean 2600?

Unless the KR ladder is significantly lower than EN and TW

[thin cosmos]

I think 2500

[trail temple]

[thin cosmos]

our user size is tiny and my goal isn't rank 10 at the end

rank 1 would be near 2570 or 2580

[trail temple]

Yeah okay, it's sort of where Amagi is

[thin cosmos]

but if I send bag, my team would locate at right in most case so people don't need to attack me

I don't want that

[radiant brook]

Does lucky E double crash DMG?

[trail temple]

I folded this season so I am just gonna hope noobs run into my fleet and lose horribly

[sour oasis]

I'm 70% sure Lucky E doubles everything.

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

Yeah Amagi top10 is 2560+ I can verify

[thin cosmos]

no

[radiant brook]

TIL

[trail temple]

Use Lucky E to counter torp memes
||high key sarcasm||

[thin cosmos]

enterprize damage isn't that high in pvp. Main power of that skill is rather invincible

[trail temple]

Just don't get rammed

[candid sluice]

Hmmm my enty says otherwise

Maybe it’s the power of +13 helldiver but she’s been hitting hard way before that

[trail temple]

Regular enty doesn't hit hard, Futa Enty does though

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

Jokes aside

[thin cosmos]

also I see really few people using right gear at enterprise, specially beacon

[trail temple]

Helena proc into lucky E is always fun

Using beacon, or not using it?

[candid sluice]

60% into a 70% pain

[thin cosmos]

must use beacon

enterprize expecting damage is lower than even hiryuu

I mean if you count 1last strike

70% damage buff<<70% aviation buff

[sour oasis]

That sounds the same.

FC gets a little more crash damage, but it's a one time deal. The double boost, if 100%, does more.

[thin cosmos]

hiryuu is IJN while enty USS

that's really huge

[radiant brook]

And then Iowa comes

[late heath]

Enterprise averaging higher DPS than Hiryuu when I was doing calculation on an airstrike DPS calculator, just general DPS though so didn’t count final counter

She’s just behind Shinano

[thin cosmos]

that must not include buff of nagato and shinano

[late heath]

It doesn’t, just 1v1 comparison

[thin cosmos]

if so yes enty better but that's not normal case

[abstract cypress]

thats why fuck ijn

[late heath]

If US get a flag ship, it’d probably destroy IJN in a CV battle

US literally have both Seattle + Sandy

[abstract cypress]

US have 3CV combo + those AA vg

which notstrong enuff

[late heath]

And Seattle took 15% less dmg while at the rear on top of CL PvP buff + having good AA

[abstract cypress]

[candid sluice]

Use PoW as uss flag

[late heath]

Imagine Iowa give US RLD + dmg buff + AA buff

[candid sluice]

And give her a barrage with a 40% proc chance too

[abstract cypress]

pow was buffed, but aint good enuff

[late heath]

POW only buff herself though and is basically HMS

[thin cosmos]

nope

[late heath]

Well, and some buff to US ships

But that isn’t enough

Nagato RLD buff is pretty big

[thin cosmos]

yeah 20+15 hit buff is main

+damage also

[late heath]

Yea, accuracy & damage too

Hoping that we’ll get UR AA gun soon

[abstract cypress]

sexbofor already good

[late heath]

Can always be better

We even get UR AA print for some reason lol

[abstract cypress]

save plate or use it to sex bofor

[thin cosmos]

UR AA gun could have 30% more damage, who knows

[late heath]

Maybe they should just give Essex her jets

Could make her skill reduce crash dmg to 1 actually

Think it’ll help somewhat

[abstract cypress]

u mean increase chance to 70 % like owaridad

[radiant brook]

Welp lost my 4th exercise, was locked to a 4/4 cancer fleets with no more refreshes, so I had to lose and refresh

And this was what I feared about going to AotN

[uncut agate]

couldn't you just rng your way to a win with enough resets?

[radiant brook]

Nope everyone had oathed nanoryuu with proper torp memes

Every time I fight my vanguard gets melted right away

Mag torp torp memes

[uncut agate]

what's your fleet?

[radiant brook]

Hold on

[uncut agate]

put dcp on Helena and make her soak the dmg next time if you're really desperate.
I put dcp on Juneau and make her soak the dmg.

[radiant brook]

Still getting it, for some reason the game never gave me yorktown

[uncut agate]

Yorktown isn't relevant in pvp meta anyway.

[radiant brook]

She is key in getting the manjuu

[thin cosmos]

he mean collection

[uncut agate]

Ohh right

I forgot

[thin cosmos]

anyway 1way is use torp meme

it's massive rng so would win with luck

also don't need WNT and DCP

Tbh, swiftsure makes me sick

[radiant brook]

Yeah I have no 120 besides london that's not in the fleet

These are the options

[thin cosmos]

if so, you have to make better plan to attacking whom and when to refresh or just wait untill you are rdy

[candid sluice]

If you’re really really struggling to fight against defense fleets at this point in the season I don’t think you should be shooting for aotn yet

[radiant brook]

Literally everyone I come across are using very optimized cancer torp memes now

[elder crane]

If your vanguard is being deleted

I'd rather lead with Leipzig then

Though hmm

Lv98 nah

[candid sluice]

You may notice that the enemy vanguard consists of torpmemes/azuma which is out of you reach currently

[elder crane]

She'll just get 1-shot past her threshold

[thin cosmos]

no solution can be answer just due to no 120 ships

[radiant brook]

So it's like I'm locked out of AoTN because I don't have 120 event ships that won't come back in a year or so

[elder crane]

Nah you just lack 120s in general

[candid sluice]

It’s not about limited ships

[thin cosmos]

more problem is the good ship you have is low level

[radiant brook]

Which 120 I should prioritize at this point?

[elder crane]

Like I was about to rec Leip, whoc does fairly well vs torps

But then lv98 so naaaah

Get Juneau is first priority really

[radiant brook]

Yeah I'm currently leveling her up while grinding mainz

Oh yeah I have juneau too, at LB0

[candid sluice]

Get her mlb

[elder crane]

And also Hiryuu

[thin cosmos]

nagato is available always, right?

[radiant brook]

Will do her eventually when I start getting IJN tech points, no enough bulins to spend on anything

No nugget is still not available in EN

[elder crane]

She's not available yet in perma period

[thin cosmos]

if so shinano+ enty +hiryuu is the best

FDG also ok if 30level

VG would Juneau +yuki+something

would be totally ok to get your goal with collection itmes

[radiant brook]

Guess I have a long time before I can get AoTN, yikes

[thin cosmos]

btw here most defense fleet is just flex. so boring

about half like 70level ships, more than 30% are easy 120 decs

only about 5% nagato shinano hiryuu

[radiant brook]

Feels like it's lying, I see a 4/4 cancer fleet even at rank 4k

Had to Lucky E scum my way out

[thin cosmos]

that's culture difference as I think

[radiant brook]

Culture difference?

[elder crane]

For short term I'd rec you work towards Leip Helena Juneau

[radiant brook]

Oh you are in CN, no wonder I didn't get. It

[thin cosmos]

Korea

[elder crane]

Idk man

[radiant brook]

Font too small on my phone

You are in avrora too?

[elder crane]

Left and right aren't legit fleets either

Yep

[radiant brook]

Yikes why I keep bumping into cancer fleets then

I posted about getting 4/4 cancer fleets 2 days ago and york saw it

It was rank 4k

[thin cosmos]

yeah that should be normal))

[elder crane]

Yui has a meta fleet
Papi has a shitty torpmemes
Far right fleet is basically yours but actually lv120

[radiant brook]

My defense is just a 120 monarch with lvl 1 cara

[elder crane]

Actually
I'm not using my refreshes anyways
Lemme just burn them and get 20 more fleets

Yuki and Blue are meta tbf

For next one
Not really meta right?
And second guy (not screenshotted) is just showing off PR skins

[thin cosmos]

tasty for me but would be hard for him

1st can be killed

[elder crane]

This ain't really meta, riiiight

If so then 0/4 meta since other three are shit

[thin cosmos]

location of nagato)))))))

[elder crane]

First and last are just rando 120 s

[radiant brook]

And lost my 5th exercise just now because hiryuu proc'd 2 airstrikes at once and I didn't notice it

[elder crane]

So far 3/16 meta fleets in total

[radiant brook]

What kind of luck is this

I kept seeing 20/20 cancer fleets all the time

[elder crane]

Kalaso is meta but Luness is just running full KMS

Aka 🚮

So 4/20 meta fleets

[radiant brook]

Maybe it's just a fuhrerboo

[elder crane]

4/24

[radiant brook]

[elder crane]

So ye not so many meta really

[radiant brook]

And now all 4 opponents are less than 10k power on both front and back

Only when I ran out of exercises

[elder crane]

Of current leaderboard top 10

#1 and #10 are meta

And one more is kindaish meta

[radiant brook]

Wait what

[elder crane]

Other 7 are just waifu/meme

So ye
Ofc once gensui rush starts you'll see more meta at top, but even then is usually still at least 1/4 waifu/meme stuff

[radiant brook]

Huh maybe it's just me having extremely bad luck in pvp

[candid sluice]

Do legitimate defense fleets pop up week2 in avrora?

[radiant brook]

Most likely will

[unkempt nymph]

Which server? Sandy is giving me no chance with 13k-12k and up fleets.

[leaden sky]

The general idea is that, first week usually people put up meme defense fleet to let others rush to sandbag, around 2nd week tho some would start putting troublesome fleet to prevent rusher going up

[sour oasis]

But you're also very new and don't have access to the advanced resources. (Bigger dock, Elite Repair Manjuu, Naval Treaty, Juneau, maxed Yukikaze...) You should shoot for all the merit rewards that aren't AotN until you get more level 115 ships and +10 or higher equipment. RNG always hurts the most. More power mitigates some of that. (Unless you can get lucky consistently)

[royal oyster]

players outside of the hardcore servers are less likely to micromanage their defense fleets so you'll find that they just leave their maxed out ones on all the time

[light crystal]

I tried doing it at one point, but I just said screwed it. I just mirror Defense with Attack

None of that shit of making it easier for ppl to climb. Either they win comfortably, or reset like 5-10 times to get a win. All the same shit. I don't care if it means less people to sand bag from lmao

I expect ppl to try hard defense, so I try hard defense myself

[gritty cove]

I just lost a match where my ships were still standing on the defeat screen

[candid sluice]

[sacred heath]

that's happened to me before

[candid sluice]

If you want easy pvp come to my server

[crude jetty]

I am on amagi server.. it is okay here too I guess

[trail temple]

He's also on Amagi

(Salty Arrow that is)

I do micromanage my fleets but if I'm feeling defeatist-chaotic-evil I just throw in my attack fleet

[abstract cypress]

inb4 lex just put meta shit since beginning

[radiant brook]

Lost my 6th exercise because enty launched at the last second and lucky E didn't proc, so she died immediately