Miss me with that shit 
#pvp
light crystal
candid sluice
Lmao
Does frontier medal also boost dmg from carriers skills? Or is it just their airstrikes
jovial sedge
Must really like that voa
elder crane
Does frontier medal also boost dmg from carriers skills? Or is it just their air...
it just boost the dmg they do period
candid sluice
light crystal
radiant brook
Why do ppl put a tough defense fleet when tryhards will just save scum and win, rendering it useless anyways?
sacred heath
they're either jerks, or think it helps them by slowing down opponents, or both
or they want to give others a good defense fleet to experiment against 
radiant brook
Sure but they are all the same cookie cutter nanoryuu fleet
If you want to test it, it surely has been tested enough
sacred heath
nah, there's nanoryuu fleets, and then there's proper nanoryuu fleets
candid sluice
It prevents extreme sandbaggers from doing all their exers 5 mins before a reset
radiant brook
Now my defense fleet is just a LB0 Honolulu and a 120 monarch so CV users can have a free win
candid sluice
They try to stall for as long as possible
radiant brook
Seems useless though
candid sluice
You’d be surprised
radiant brook
Given that you could just reset and win, especially if you just do it an hour before resetb
sacred heath
idk how waiting to do all 5 right before does them any good
you'd only get bonus points on one of the five battles
candid sluice
Well you kinda can’t reset right before a reset lol
candid sluice
idk how waiting to do all 5 right before does them any good
you'd only get bonu...
I guess it prevents others from getting a +1 from them when they eventually rush
sacred heath
eh i guess
candid sluice
Of course they’d still be taking out free +1s
But even if you get three of em per reset it’s only +33 to your score
sacred heath
i dropped 3 this season so fkit, i'm rushing 
candid sluice
Two +1s per reset is not gonna give ppl matched up against u a +1 if u sandbag till last moment
Three maybe if they’re behind
light crystal
radiant brook
Be prepared to see nanoryuu fleets at rank 2k in avrora
candid sluice
And grind up another fleet? Don’t think so 
radiant brook
Inb4 nanoryuu is a requirement to play PvP in avrora
Otherwise the option is greyed out if you don't have the ships
candid sluice
Can’t be bothered to dev30 azuma in two servers 
trail temple
I'm actually levelling up a USN fleet to see how that goes
candid sluice
USS seems like it could actually do well
light crystal
shinaryuu/enty is actually nutty, ngl
candid sluice
I would test out PoW won’t show up 
Facts I’ve been using enty and stomping on nanoryuu
After vanguard gets owari da it’s gg
trail temple
Without warkai kicking her ass, Enty gets a bit of a reprieve
light crystal
if shinaryu/enty can snipe ur vg on first airstrike, its gg's
candid sluice
+12 helldiver is no joke
light crystal
radiant brook
Should I swap 
with 
now that divine marksman can't snipe CV anymore?
light crystal
That guy forced one reset one me earlier
trail temple
That or Hiryuu yeah
light crystal
Basically, on first attempt, his airstrike pretty much sniped my VG away, and I couldn't make a comeback later cuz his VG was sorta half alive
trail temple
But that Juneau in mid
light crystal
On second attempt, his airstrike wasn't as deadly, and I could curb-stomp him better
radiant brook
Should I swap <:WarBlank:753375682620555284> with <:OWARIDA:486878585169379338> ...
Bump
candid sluice
How often did E proc?
light crystal
But yes, that backline is solid. Also, still not using Noshi on my end cuz I can still get some mileage of YKKZ. If I start seeing more Azuma/Jun/Noshi's and they start being an issue, i might need to mirror back, gonna see
radiant brook
I don't remember
candid sluice
They’ve got jun squished between two tanks tho
Can’t u just torpmeme her
Azuma I mean
light crystal
Huh? No
First of all, I dont use torp meme, and I run same setup against everything, one of that switching girls around for a specific comp
Second, Azuma shouldn't die that easily against torps, can face tank with HP and medium armor + Noshiro
candid sluice
Use ur own enty to nuke 
light crystal
🤔
candid sluice
Do u have a +13 helldiver yet
light crystal
That woul require, like, putting FM on FS or something
Nuh
+11/12, sorta working on +12/+12
candid sluice
Oh u have two already?
light crystal
Getting a third gold helldiver gonna be a pain too, fucking experimental bp's
candid sluice
These secret plans aren’t dropping for me 
Yeah those are hard to find
My last r6 siren didn’t drop any lol
light crystal
I got the two I needed from a cat node on regular C6 map* and another from a stronghold a while ago iirc
trail temple
I just need more circuit boards and I can make another Helldiver
elder crane
ready for next month unless they give less gen prints in shop for whatever reason
elder crane
my cats might not give me rainbow prints much but so far 2/2 on plane ones 
+1 more from abyss
anyways time to see how terrifying Wyverns are on Shinano
candid sluice
I’m 2/2 but aa prints
leaden sky
is there a limit to UR prints obtainable from meowfficers?
candid sluice
Of course
elder crane
it gives higher dmg for that equip ye
or stats if it's aux equip
sacred heath
absolutely benefits
+11 is 104%
12 is 110
13 is 118
so +13 FCR and ryuusei will make a noticeable difference
elder crane
well roughly speaking but not exactly ye
aux equipment is ofc stats only since itself does no dmg
also note that planes only increase bomb/torp dmg, not crash dmg
unkempt nymph
would Yuki/Juneau/Helena or Yuki/Juneau/aurora be better?
thin cosmos
the question would be we gonna get more attacking power than defending power. So finally gonna similar situation with no WNT. I think this can cause balance change
3CV is more fragile vs BB decs, since no damage dispersion by nagato
unkempt nymph
would Yuki/Juneau/Helena or Yuki/Juneau/aurora be better?
I have a backline of hiryuu-warkai-enty atm
thin cosmos
would Yuki/Juneau/Helena or Yuki/Juneau/aurora be better?
depends on your win rate.
unkempt nymph
Decent for where I am. How does that change things? Not looking for max rankings, though.
Not yet at that stage.
thin cosmos
you mean helena vs aurora?
abstract horizon
what is seasonal btw
sour oasis
@abstract horizon a season lasts two weeks
That is also a very low score given that we are on day 8 of 14.
abstract horizon
yeah i just did my exercises 4 days ago
sour oasis
Each day there are 15 tickets given out every six hours. Win them all, even if you have to fight lower ranked opponents.
uncut agate
Well, you can't move past captain this season, try next season
sour oasis
So that's 210 tickets a "season" (2 weeks).
abstract horizon
ok thanks
sour oasis
Each ticket gives you an exercise. Exercises give you ship experience (depending on how many total levels the defender has, you get all of it of you win and half of you lost), ladder points (they vary by rank and you only get them from winning), and merit (also vary by rank and you get half if you lost).
abstract horizon
i think ive lost 2 battles because i ran out of refreshes
sour oasis
You get bonus ladder points if you manage to fight someone at a much higher rank, you get a penalty depending how much lower rank your opponent is.
abstract horizon
oh
sour oasis
But do all 15 exercises a day. Most new players (and score hunters) fail because they miss an entire 5 tickets a day.
abstract horizon
so if im rank 3900 and i go for someone at rank 4000 i get a penalty of 100?
sour oasis
Not quite that harsh.
elder crane
Rank =/= score though it's determined by scores
-1 score usually for fighting someone below you
sour oasis
Let's say if you're rank 3900, and you fight a rank 3899, you would have gotten 12 ladder points. If you fight with a rank 4000, you would only get 11 ladder points. You fight a rank 5000 you would only win 10 ladder points
But like bluerendar says, the penalty (and bonus) would only be like 1 or 2 (barring a super extreme situation)
elder crane
It's actually determined by relative score not rank, though you can make some educated guesses about it
Also 3k vs 5k not so much score diff tbh, shouldn't be -2
abstract horizon
i see know
elder crane
Unless very early season
Around now til end of season, is fairly hard to get -2 unless you push to very top rankings
sour oasis
Yeah, early in your PvP career, it's better not to think of bonus points or penalties, just focus on winning 15 times a day. Use one of your daily 5 refresh if absolutely none of the 4 you get are beatable. Or failing that, eat a loss, just don't not use a ticket.
abstract horizon
ok thanks, do losses refresh the list ive only lost 2 times
sour oasis
Yes they do
abstract horizon
alright thanks again!
trail temple
Win/loss refresh the list and ofc pressing the refresh button
thin cosmos
Anyone has idea about upgrade unbalance? we can get very low defense stats with full 13upgrade, while more than 15% damage output with full 13upgrade.
So VG which could survive would more hard to survive, +faster reload would be much more important as I think.
I wonder this can impact dec balance also.
trail temple
No idea until we get actually get it.
elder crane
Ready for Wyvern next week(?)
gritty cove
Where'd you pull another print 
elder crane
My cats are god
3 UR prints, all 3 plane prints
gritty cove
What level are your cats
elder crane
Just lv20s
Gold slv3 with at least one rainbow talent each
No idea what matters and what doesn't
gritty cove
Rarity and level I believe
elder crane
Afaik no official statements on that so who knooooows
gritty cove
elder crane
Fair enough
gritty cove
And apparently the siren strongholds are hidden below the map coordinates with rewards, time to pray for more prints 
candid sluice
Strongholds don’t give rainbow prints
candid sluice
Check the rewards list
Stronghold rewards are kinda 🚮 to be honest
Last stronghold I did don’t even give me any golden prints 
gritty cove
Yeah it's pretty shite
thin cosmos
my cats are just 30level and 28 still shitty
so the start was awesome but after clearing all map really nothing I can get(((
thin cosmos
Rarity and level I believe
about this, rarity and level must effect the reward but I wonder are there only.
like the difficulty of map, combination of 2cats or only 1cats
gritty cove
Well the base rewards are always higher on higher difficulties
thin cosmos
if so it's not just cat problem
but that picture says about only cat's rarity and level
not about map
elder crane
ehh that was a c3 map though
so idk
currently most ppl think map level doesn't actually affect cat drops, just the spawn rate on cat nodes
elder crane
really hard to tell for anyone...
thin cosmos
and even some cat's place is fixed as 2nd slot or first slot to get full skill activation. So in that case should I put them at right place or ok for any place is also problem.
But I see what you are saying. it's hard to know
elder crane
it's pretty uncommon for someone to have really unbalanced cat levels/rarity anyways
so would be very hard to tell unless someone went out to specifically test it
but who would want to risk that
thin cosmos
only way is datamining with code
open peak
which aux' are good on shinano in pvp? 
sour oasis
@open peak Nothing specific: Catapults, Frontier Medal, Homing Beacon, Aviation Gas... Typical CV aux. Anything that boosts AVI or reload so you do more/faster damage within your minute (3-4 launches) window.
elder crane
and microphones for more dmg vs vanguard
sour oasis
I thought microphones only gave AA, or are those different ones
elder crane
Mics are AA and hit stat
At around 100 enemy eva, they start being more effective than catapults (ignoring crash)
And enemy vanguard ofc is 150-200 eva basically
sour oasis
So the trade-off is "do I want to hit vanguard" or "do I want to sink backline" earlier
elder crane
Ye
I'm a fan of it for Nano, but not for Hiryuu
light crystal
At around 100 enemy eva, they start being more effective than catapults (ignorin...
I think ur the only guy I see using Mikes and contemplating using Suiseis as DB's 
To be fair though, that's only as far as using Nagato is concerned, cuz Nagato buffs Hit so using Mikes is pointless. I suppose if running triple CV u could maybe use them.
iron knoll
thin cosmos
just put stats, then you can get how much damage increase
bluerender is over estimating mic. while battlecruiser is underestimating it.
candid sluice
safe zodiac
I'm sure it's here somewhere, so sorry for asking again, but I can't find it. What are you guys putting in Shinano's first slot?
candid sluice
Your choice of fighters or torp bombers
safe zodiac
So assuming I don't have Wyvern, it doesn't really matter whether I use Ryuusei or F7F Tigercat?
candid sluice
Depends whether u feel like you need fighters for interception
And ryuusei might be too inaccurate unless you throw something like 818 on another carrier
radiant brook
Is there a way to hard counter nanoryuu torp meme?
As in, use these ships and it's impossible to lose against them
elder crane
To be fair though, that's only as far as using Nagato is concerned, cuz Nagato b...
Nope I ran the numbers and Shinano with Nagato is still more effective on nonsuicide dmg vs 100 eva with mics
elder crane
As in, use these ships and it's impossible to lose against them
No, that's why it's the meta team
Well
You can use a near-mirror setup
And with offense advantagr it's high winrate
radiant brook
Nugget/noshiro is event locked
So mirror is not an option
elder crane
Then RIP, RNG it is for you
radiant brook
Attacker advantage is pointless when your ships will just hug torps and die
elder crane
Also you don't use Noshiro
Wait you mean torps vanguard
WNT+DCP Juneau+Azuma makes ez work of them
radiant brook
Yeah nanoryuu torp meme
light crystal
Nope I ran the numbers and Shinano *with* Nagato is still more effective on nons...
Well no, I meant IF you're running 3 CV's, u dont get Nagato's Hit bonus, so running Mikes might be ok then. Other than that, running them is pretty Pepega.
elder crane
WNT to cut down their burst
DCP Juneau lead absorbs any torps vanguard takes then after 8 s heals back torp dmg dealt
And Azuma is both hard to take down and smacks their vanguard hard in return, with your main fleet
elder crane
Well no, I meant IF you're running 3 CV's, u dont get Nagato's Hit bonus, so run...
No I mean like
Literally compared to catas with Nagato buff around vs 100 Eva, Mics are still somewhat better ignoring crash dmg
radiant brook
Just got Juneau, not enough bulins to get WNT/DCP
Although enty is MLB so I don't have to concern about purins
light crystal
Huh? I dont get where ur going with this lol
light crystal
Bottomline is, I wouldn't use Mikes anyway, like at all. But I could justify using them if not running Nagato is wut I meant.
elder crane
No it doesn't, run the numbers
Mics are still almost equally favorable
light crystal
OK mike guy, enjoy running them on ur CV's :v
elder crane
hold on lemme pull out some numbers
candid sluice
Is the hit from mic really that noticeable 
light crystal
he thinks they r lol
elder crane
vs 150 eva 50 luck
with Nagato buff active
49.12% hitrate increased to 57.16% hitrate, +8.04%
Without Nagato buff
45.31% hitrate increased to 53.17% hitrate, +7.86%
for 1.164 and 1.173 multiplier on hitrate/dmg
radiant brook
Is it me or does every opposing Nagato had 100% barrage rate?
elder crane
+3.14% and +3.90% eDpS relative to catapult
light crystal
Who was even using Catapults, I use Beacon/JetFuel kek
elder crane
I mean if you compare to beacon it's more subjective since strike timing things
but ofc raw dmg numbers even more favorable
light crystal
Just kill other dude faster than, Pepega
candid sluice
Just use aurora
elder crane
I'll take my +8.39% dmg over beacons on Shinano tyvm
candid sluice
light crystal
Aight, kewl :v
elder crane
and also 6.9% (kek) less aviation dmg taken 🤷
candid sluice
Up to personal preference then ig 
light crystal
More practical to get 2 Sex Bofors +13 and put one on Juneau and the other on YKKZ/Noshi
candid sluice
Sexbofors on jun is no joke
She takes out planes from the initial fighter interceptions and sometimes prevents my backline from getting detected
safe meteor
what plane do you put on Shinano 1st slot?
sacred heath
I'm running a skypirate for wider coverage but that's just me
safe meteor
but the crash dmg of it is pretty bad?
sacred heath
Like I said, that's just me
I haven't done much experimentation
thin cosmos
Attacker advantage is pointless when your ships will just hug torps and die
just become full 120 and say again.
radiant brook
2/3 of my vanguards are 120 and then still die from torp hugging
One wave of torps and they are already attacking my main fleelt
elder crane
what's your vanguard again?
thin cosmos
Lemme take an SS
we already had discussions about this. you keep say about IJN is invincible but it's just obvious that it isn't.
elder crane
Ye you really want torpbulges on that kind of vanguard
Also Jun has been permanently in the meta for good reason
radiant brook
You mean that it's just absurdly bad rng in:
Nugget always proc barrage
My monarch never proc barrage
My vanguard eats torps like breakfast
thin cosmos
it's just your fleet is too weak and that's it.
elder crane
Anyways meta is meta for a reason
if any rando team could beat it then it wouldn't be meta
radiant brook
So what fleet to build with these then? Ignore lvls
candid sluice
You really can’t ignore lvls for pvp
That’s why you’re losing
If bad rng then reset
elder crane
mmm you're literally lacking most of the top meta choices, so idk
will probably have to be Shinano core, maybe Shinano Enty Hiryuu
Juneau indispensible, then ykkz and something
and ye levels needed for all of that
radiant brook
Hiryuu/juneau at LB0 
candid sluice
And without jun your winrate will plummet
radiant brook
HP is useless when torp memes could just instant kill my vanguard anyways
elder crane
DCP lead Juneau
and Azuma can actually just eat a good amount of torps without too much issue
candid sluice
Jun with manjuu
Washington naval treaty
Torpedo bulge
Idk what else to tell you
elder crane
for now probably best to find some rando high level USN to lead with Manjuu tbh
radiant brook
Still working on those, not enough bulins
thin cosmos
oh man!
elder crane
oh geez literally just Helena for high level USN
candid sluice
Then it’s a problem of ships and equipment, not of a specific fleet comp thats impossible to beat
elder crane
ye situation is kinda scuffed rn, not much you can do about it in the short term
you just don't really have the right ships leveled to begin to consistently beat top meta unfortunately, it's honestly not that bad already if you can at least RNG wins sometimes
thin cosmos
If you says IJN is invincible for you, I agree. And it can't be anyprolem of game. just find another opponent
radiant brook
Forget it with the rng
I gave up when a 40% proc multiple times in a row and the 70% proc'd 0/3 times
elder crane
tbh kinda surprised you haven't seen a fleet that actually hard walls you, as in unbeatable
I suppose RNG enough with Helena Shinano and can pull off bs wins?
candid sluice
For now the only way you can pick up wins are from rng with helena enty monarch procs
radiant brook
Resetting never worked for me, I just keep fighting 1:1 fleets to get wins
candid sluice
Just keep resetting until it works
elder crane
ehh better off spending that time farming tbh
candid sluice
Unless you put in work leveling ships that are great in pvp then that’s the only way you’re gonna pick up wins
radiant brook
I don't even have azuma unlocked atm (not even the tech point requirement for Kita)
candid sluice
So before you go and do that then don’t complain about your bad rng and fleets you can’t beat
elder crane
well, not vs top meta at least
thin cosmos
btw I never saw pvp system like azur lane. It gives huge attacker buff. Most games fight in same or worse situation.
it's really newbie friendly system
radiant brook
So you mean I'm boned if I keep seeing torp meme nanoryuu teams 20/20 times?
elder crane
well
that's how ranking is supposed to work ye
even with the scuffed ladder that is AL PvP
radiant brook
Starting in avrora was a mistake
candid sluice
Amagi pvp is much easier compared to other servers
elder crane
this is like going to a chess tourney, getting wrecked by the masters, then asking "what's the trick to beating them"
candid sluice
That’s why I’m still hitting EoS top10 even with missed exers
That’s how it is with any competitive ladder lol you’re gonna get crushed by stronger opponents
thin cosmos
so with mic about 40 increase?
thin cosmos
then why battlecruiser keep say it's trash? It's just obvious it has some power
elder crane
cause he's unwilling to admit he dismissed it out of hand without taking a closer look
it depends on breakpoints really
hard to say rn since we're still only just starting to +13 some stuff
and missing wyverns
in the long long run too
beacon can only be +11 for +5 more Avi
while mics can +13 for +6 hit and +9 AA
thin cosmos
that's also I expected. beacon would be replaced in the end
but cata vs mic still depends on future test
elder crane
I ran the numbers for +13 too btw, seems like mics and catas keep on par
guess catas only being +18 Avi is kinda shit too
+6 hit is pretty bad ngl, SG radar can +9 hit...
seems like it just missed the breakpoint between +30 and +35 stat for +3 per level
Wait a sec
apparently Manjuu gets +110 HP total for +13?
why does it in particular get diff stat scaling 
or is that wiki typo
the +550 HP aux (at +10) only get +90
elder crane
Ye it just randomly has +110 HP apparently
thin cosmos
anyway will not upgrade it cause already feeling too late for Juneau death
elder crane
rather than the +90 all other 500/550 HP aux get
Heck even VH armor at 650 HP only gets +90 total
thin cosmos
Heck even VH armor at 650 HP only gets +90 total
omg quite random increase)
light crystal
It's an Owarida Item. Special Treatment.
Nevertheless, means tankier Juneau, so meh 
upper cove
wasde 
light crystal
You would make Donald Trump (the player) proud. He used WASD for a long time back in the day, even into Hiryuu meta iirc.
abstract cypress
figures my fleet still wasd one
but i rarely do pvp rn
i might try ib one when my peter done
light crystal
And this is just Sex Bofor +12. +13 gonna be pretty nutty.
slender atlas
i hate it when bb keep their salvo to front instead attack the backline,
unkempt nymph
you mean helena vs aurora?
Yeah
abstract cypress
its preference/whos the high lvl one, id go with helana
thin cosmos
if you need luck to beat opponents, use helena. otherwise use aurora.
sour oasis
If you have luck
upper cove
Nice minuses 
uncut agate
*Slaccington
light crystal
I have been consistently finding that I get the most gains on the last 2-3 days anyway. Thats how I've ended up 1st EOS 3 times in a row lately 🤔
candid sluice
The day when ppl rush aotn is where most of my points come from
Right now I’ve been hitting a cold streak
+0s the past eight resets 
radiant brook
@sacred heath AotN = top 10?
sacred heath
top10, score over 2200 i think
radiant brook
...sucks
sacred heath
and if you happen to do any fights while you're AotN, you get 100 merit instead of 90
but that's pretty useless
radiant brook
Feel like only the most optimized and meta fleets can get AotN merit mail
Even then you have to reset a lot
somber axle
You're on avrora? Then yes, too many IJN meta. You'll need 120s. Other servers, EZ
candid sluice
You can get it if you rush at the proper time
somber axle
I'd suggest looking at the current top 100. You can see what defence fleets they're using. You'll get a good idea of how good your chances are.
radiant brook
Used up all my exercise attempts, now 3/4 are IJN cancer and the last one (left most) is a 1:3
sacred heath
yeah i've only had to reset like twice this season so far
except today when i got lazy and lost a fight to a fluke
trail temple
I am still levelling up my budget US fleet, will see how that goes soon
Doesn't even have Seattle either
candid sluice
I don’t remember the last time I reset this season
Even with abysmal luck I still somehow win
trail temple
I have been meming with a <120 Helena and even then my worst outcome is Hiryuu on her last legs
sour oasis
Used up all my exercise attempts, now 3/4 are IJN cancer and the last one (left ...
You'll find ways to beat the cancer. Enterprise is a fairly common solution.
radiant brook
I'm actually using her now
sour oasis
Eldridge and Enterprise are my bane even more than Hiryu and Nagato.
When did I time travel to 2018. PvP is a flat circle.
candid sluice
I agree, enty is more annoying than ijn
trail temple
Sits in the corner of not having this problem
radiant brook
When you use enty, she never procs
candid sluice
But most ppl on my server don’t have gold helldiver so it doesn’t hurt that much
trail temple
I just got my second, feels damage man
sour oasis
I'm barely at my 2nd 457, which is no longer meta
sacred heath
43/50 for a couple weeks now 😦
light crystal
Gotta +13 that Sex Bofor. They're sooo good.
candid sluice
42 plates away
toxic knot
radiant brook
Dammit I was so close
trail temple
Hey that's the same score as me
candid sluice
You’re 1919 at 0/10 too? 
candid sluice
I’m 1914 10/10
uncut agate
10k oil 
sour oasis
What did Noob and York start with this season (the first 5v exercises)?
unkempt nymph
its preference/whos the high lvl one, id go with helana
Helena is lvl 101, but got skill only at lvl 8. Aurora is 84 or so. Guess I'll just use Helena for now
waxen dawn
There's an option to reply without ping <:NimiPing:721896661017821196>
I do.
||So that they may never know||
thin cosmos
any suggestions about petter?
finally she is 120 so I gonna test some decs
thinking about Bismarck+graf, FDG+ graf, Bismarck+FDG but don't know what VG should use to make 4KMS
gritty cove
Bis, graf and mainz is what I'm aiming for
thin cosmos
the test result is somewhat insane...
thin cosmos
lost almost every times even with attacker buff
sacred heath
that's so surprising 
thin cosmos
y
candid sluice
Can I see it?
thin cosmos
It's 12.4GB...
candid sluice
Oh god nvm lol
thin cosmos
anyway it seems Hitler lost again vs IJN
candid sluice
As expected
trail temple
Major faction? kekw
@sour oasis I started pretty average this season again, 142ish or something
thin cosmos
well this result is just shock for me cause I expected at least 50% win rate
theoretically Bis has good buff, Graf has 15% damage reduction, Petter has normal stats with good debuff. And FDG is definitly very strong.
But just IJN damage is so hurt..
elder crane
theoretically Bis has good buff, Graf has 15% damage reduction, Petter has norma...
Not really too surprising tbh
Bis is just shitty Nagato, FdG mostly just worse Shinano, GZ mostly just worse Amagi
And you're missing Azuma buffs
More or less IJN has better individual ships (only KMS you'd run outside of KMS is FdG, while Shinano, Amagi, Hiryuu, Azuma, ykkz are worth running even w no IJN synergies) on top of better team synergy too (Nagato buff better than Bis buff, Amagi buff better than GZ buff)
thin cosmos
It's true but I thought attacker buff can bring even match
trail temple
Noshiro also brings utility towards non-torp meme teams
radiant brook
Can this team touch AotN briefly in avrora?
sour oasis
Not sure why Monarch is off flag, but it's totally possible. @radiant brook
radiant brook
It was to counter hiryuu on off flag, forgot to switch it back
sour oasis
You just need to fight in fights you can win.. which may involve some 🎲
radiant brook
Hiryuu is the closest thing to a hard counter, and everyone has it
Not even lucky E scumming could stop that
sour oasis
It's possible. I've been stopped by that as a Hiryu attacker.
(Bitch kept activating Lucky E just as my attack was about to hit, absorbed Final Counter like it was nothing)
radiant brook
Huh, guess my enty is a sham then
candid sluice
If u can time your rushing properly you could easily get aotn
radiant brook
Lucky E never proc, monarch's coercion never proc
And enemy nugget barrage proc'd 15 times in a row while resetting for a win against him
candid sluice
Get lucky with helena and E procs to pick up quick wins
sacred heath
silly question, but
you are at SL10, right?
radiant brook
Yup
sacred heath
k just making sure
radiant brook
All 6 ships have all skills at SL10
somber axle
Doable with that fleet
trail temple
Well, he'll be ~2119 by next reset (going off his ss), that means 2169 by the time people are capable of hitting AOTN, which includes gate keepers such as chibi goku. So he will need to hard, hard rush in ~23 hours if he wants aotn. If he takes too long, he won't have the attempts to get there
radiant brook
Current status if anyone is wondering
radiant brook
I had to pick the right half because the left half is always nanoryuu torp meme cancer
trail temple
I honestly think you're too far behind to crack it this season
radiant brook
Yikes
candid sluice
Are there ppl who block aotn rushers in avrora server?
Doesn’t look possible this season
candid sluice
Yep season is rip
trail temple
If he was that score but 5/10, possible
radiant brook
Huh and I thought I had to worry about cancer comps in avrora
But I had to worry about gatekeepers too
trail temple
Welcome to Avrora, we are the tryhard server
sacred heath
wait wait
how exactly does one gatekeep aotn
radiant brook
...goddamit
trail temple
Get to aotn with some exercises left, before you sink off of aotn you do another exercise until you run out
We got a few people who do that so it gatekeeps people out who I might have just barely made it otherwise
radiant brook
Among all 5 servers I just had to start from the harshest PvP server of them all
candid sluice
Unlucky
trail temple
I mean, I wasn't a day 1 player and I did the same thing
Late 2019 in fact
I just bided my time and went for aotn when I was ready
and even then, triple BB HMS wasn't the most optimised fleet (but it did what was needed)
trail temple
gl
radiant brook
Easy AotN in amagi
uncut agate
Lexington is pretty easy for aotn 
sour oasis
We got a few people who do that so it gatekeeps people out who I might have just barely made it otherwise
The only sensible thing to come out is eventually they'll tire of it and become more casual. Until then, they're a pain to newer players.
sour oasis
What day is optimal for aotn rushing
Also, depends on what your score is and your server.
On Avrora tryhard, if you're high up in score, day 12 2nd reset is dead (maybe 6 people will rush then) and you can calmly rush at any time and hit 2201.
If you've lost 5-10 tickets, day 13, immediately after a reset. The more you missed, the fewer rushers will be in the later resets.
If you've lost 11-14 you're in no-man's-land. You need to rush on all three of the final days to get bonus points on other rushers so you can squeeze in day 14.
Please rush more. When everyone sandbags, no one sandbags.
radiant brook
Please Rushmore
trail temple
Only a matter of time until someone breaks tos for pvp because of the lack of people doing pvp
slender atlas
i wish my bb can snipe one target backline. If so, my fdg can take down shinano with 1 salvo, she can deal 18k total if all hit shinano
light crystal
BB meta came and went friendo. Lasted for 1.5 years.
radiant brook
I feel like concealment kinda buffs hiryuu
Hiryuu was cancer even before CV stealth but holy shit
They need to stop buffing IJN in pvp
candid sluice
Uhh
gritty cove
Definitely isn't a fun addition to pvp
trail temple
Actually, I disagree. The previous meta used more defensive aux to the point where all ships had an evasion stat exceeding 100. With Juneau DCP and WNT, games were taking a minute on average to finish. Now, games are much faster on average and there are actually more good options outside of IJN (I will still say, for now, that IJN is the better pvp faction)
gritty cove
Mm yes, more options by making bbs worse 
radiant brook
BB isn't the problem, IJN is
gritty cove
I don't see it
candid sluice
Then you haven’t seen much
light crystal
It is better now tbh
Having to put Rudders on ur CV's to directly tank BB's was pretty stupid
And u can still use BB's, tho not full BB meta like before. Like, 2BB/1CV work fine
candid sluice
It’s not like BBs are complete garbage now
light crystal
Triple BB can work in Attack, as with most things Attack, as long as they got proper gear and solid VG.
But having one good CV and 2 BB's would improve the consistency further
thin cosmos
I like now cause weak attacker could win much stronger defender by killing Juneau or snipe a ship
now defender can fight much better.
unkempt nymph
no need to ping me
My bad.
trail temple
There are some perfectly logical reasons as to why most fleets are still IJN:
a) they still appear to be the best fleet;
b) why would people switch to something else when they already have an IJN fleet? Lastly
c) we are all secretly floof simps.
candid sluice
thin cosmos
I think better upgrade DD hp aux before
2 eva per upgrade too low compare to other aux
even upgrade wnt would be better
light crystal
Actually, I can do this in 8 days, forgot, oops
candid sluice
Where is your +13 helldiver
candid sluice
toxic knot
gg bois 
r1 dream is dead 
got a loss so I'm down to 2124 with 5/10 
somber axle
Who did you lose to
toxic knot
I used all 5 refreshes trying to find someone above me and panicked 
I lost to Gafalrion actually. Didn't realize my hiryuu procc'ed from torps early
He runs full torp on def 
which usually isn't an issue of course, but I didn't pay attention hahahhaa
somber axle
To be fair, you would not have been first anyways as of 2 rounds ago. Now it all balances out
toxic knot
haha wait, I thought Aurumai was the closest
oh wait nvm you were above Aurumai. I was at 2033, you were at 2031 two resets
ago
and then aurumai was at 2029
somber axle
Server booted a bunch of people off for 5 minutes right before reset
You would not have been first if not for that.
toxic knot
Ahhh, I wasn't sure if you got your match in or not because I think you were at 2073 last reset
when I saw it
that sucks 
Oh and you had a +2 as well before the server boot too, so that would have been a solid lead 
I thought I was the one who got shafted with the +49, damn didn't realize other people got even worse rng via server boot
clear briar
110 seconds later
sour oasis
Wow. You left Shinano to fend off against a vanguard by herself?
candid sluice
sour oasis
clear briar
Just before that
Encountered a similar situation with Algérie
This time Hiryuu survived to tell the tale
candid sluice
French op pls nerf
radiant brook
Is avrora the only server with gate keeping?
clear briar
candid sluice
There’s probably some in other servers too
thin cosmos
what I think is people quite similar in anyserver
just number difference
btw I never thought about gate keeping. It's very annoying for himself and can bother only newbie..
next burrow
Hi guys, just wanted to ask something here.
So I just got the manjuu DCP item and I’m wondering which ship I’m supposed to equip it on
Do I equip it on a main or vanguard ship?
thin cosmos
juneau
next burrow
Does it proc her skill twice?
thin cosmos
no
next burrow
But it’s still good to keep her alive for another 8s?
radiant brook
Yes
next burrow
I see, thanks
rich escarp
Her skill only activates when she falls and explodes, so no
"Do your best, girls! Except for you, Juneau. I'm going to need you to do as poorly as possible."
trail temple
Her doing poorly though is not soaking damage and doing no AA
candid sluice
Her AA can’t be taken lightly
radiant brook
Nah she still has to do her best
Dies at the best moment to let the rest of the team get healed the most
abstract cypress
jesus didnt die for ur sins
radiant brook
She is the antichrist, kill her!
trail temple
She saved the 5 brothers
clear briar
uncut agate
pvp rng bad 
candid sluice
Feelsbad
sour oasis
But it’s still good to keep her alive for another 8s?
Juneau is by far the best PvP ship to get it since it gives a guarantee she won't activate her healing too early. Other contenders to get it include Eldredge, Helena, and Enterprise, if only to get a last prayer to utilize their skills.
elder crane
Eldridge no
She needs to be hit for her skill to work and immunity means she can't get hit
If anything it's a downside since if she doesn't sink she drags down vanguard speed
Helena for sure ye
Enty tho, very questionable still
She dies even if she Lucky E active
You'll need something else to survive while last lucky E strike hits
radiant brook
No one uses manjuu on enty though
thin cosmos
there are quite a lot stupid using it at her))
mossy atlas
would putting it on seattle or balti be fine
elder crane
If no Jun/Helena sure
They don't mind +500 HP aux anyways and +8 s survival time is always nice
mossy atlas
alright my seattle will chill with the manjuus then
light crystal
Hmm, I think instead of doing Heels, I should do Beaver first
That way, in case I need/want to run triple CV, I can just put either FM/WNT+Beacon/JetFuel on FS CV, and Beacon/JetFuel on other two CV's. Then put Rudder/Beaver, both +13, on Azuma.
sour oasis
She needs to be hit for her skill to work and immunity means she can't get hit
Wait, the stay alive function of the aux isn't absorbing hits (like how Lusty field still lets Eld activate her skill)?
abstract cypress
its like final counter
the reason eld need lusty bcs she need to get tons of hit to get her skill active cuz low chance
without lusty shes dead b4 she could active it even once
and lusty shield is like makin vg eva down to 0 which make opp easier to hit
so theres no combo related with manjuu
just slap it on any uss vg for 8s immortality
thin cosmos
and lusty shield is like makin vg eva down to 0 which make opp easier to hit
are you sure that shield has 0 evasion?
elder crane
and lusty shield is like makin vg eva down to 0 which make opp easier to hit
That got changed a very long while ago
at very least by when JdA released
elder crane
Wait, the stay alive function of the aux isn't absorbing hits (like how Lusty fi...
Ye it's immunity, the hits don't even happen in the first place
and Eld skill only activates on actually being hit
Some skills like Cheshire or Birmingham or Marie Rose which activate "on being hit" actually only check if something physically hit them, before accounting for evasion or immunity
In the case of Cheshire and Birm this results in the hilarious situation where their evasion buff "on being hit" actually counts towards the evasion rate for the shot that activated the skill lol
(and also why Birm before her pre-release skill nerf was considered OP)
sour oasis
I fail math
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/805148302982250586/16120325163551_01.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/805148207889383444/16120325087330_01.jpg
upper cove
tf
trail temple
Thou shalt not sandbag
candid sluice
🍝
abstract cypress
That got changed a very long while ago
when
i remember its still there when E meta, but the combo long gone since amagi release
then they decided to fix it wtf
trail temple
If I fight someone who has the same rank score in me but lower rank, do I take a +9 or +10?
radiant brook
How can I make my ships stop eating up torps in pvp?
And how do I make the enemy team stop avoiding torps like they are controlled by a human?
candid sluice
Suzutsuki
crude jetty
use juneau and manjuu
radiant brook
Useless when the torps insta kill your vanguard while the enemy vanguard is barely scratched
They would just waltz up to your main fleet
candid sluice
Washington naval treaty
radiant brook
Does that actually help with the torp memes?
Since the sheer dmg could just kill your vanguard even with WNT
sour oasis
If I fight someone who has the same rank score in me but lower rank, do I take a...
Was that ever coded to give +10? (Gives +9 now)
candid sluice
Does that actually help with the torp memes?
It does
sour oasis
Does that actually help with the torp memes?
I will second that. It somehow cuts their damage by half (I'm exaggerating, but it does feel this way) for the trade of adding 10% to your exercise time.
radiant brook
I feel like it's going to be useless given how much my ships went out of their way to hug all enemy torps
candid sluice
The restart button is always there
candid sluice
Then use some other smokescreen ship idk man
Suzu + wnt literally butchers torpmeme
trail temple
Was that ever coded to give +10? (Gives +9 now)
No idea, hence the question 
and use bulges!
Yes it turns them into futa but less torp damage
radiant brook
Don't have suzu
Guess I'll just doomed to die to torp memes 10/10 times
trail temple
Can't be aotn if torp meme is your Achilles heel (I'm exaggerating but you get the picture)
candid sluice
Torpedo bulge lead vanguard
radiant brook
It's not really achilles heel but they keep eating all enemy toors
trail temple
My vg sometimes eats all the torps, but that's Juneau doing her job and my vg is still about 50%
radiant brook
Feels fake when you said your vanguards have 50% health when eating all torps
Mine just get slaughtered despite being 120
And evade stat just don't work so they got hit and die
trail temple
I mean, that's the difference between using a good comp at max level vs using everything else
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Juneau absorbs most of the torps and when DCP is in effect, she's just soaking damage for 8 seconds
candid sluice
Lead Juneau with manjuu aux, even if torpmeme deletes half of vanguards hp juneau will heal it all up
midnight heron
yea wnt doesnt help that much against proper torp memes
ive tried it it never works
end of the day its still rng whether u take bs amounts of dmg or almost none at all
u also make urself more vulnerable to burn dmg cuz fights last longer and burns arent affected by dmg reduction
and dats assuming u didnt get torpnuked in the 1st place
light crystal
I don't even encounter torp teams anymore
The issue now is having ur VG survive Airstrikes better lol
radiant brook
Still rng
Because they could just choose to eat the TB like breakfast or avoid it like hell
candid sluice
Astute observation
sour oasis
If torpedoes are still frightening after using Washington Naval Treaty, might I suggest Belfast smoke? (Or wait until a sponge like Azuma or JdA gets built up)
abstract cypress
bulge + noshiro +wnt
elder crane
tbf apparently
HMS torps + black oxy got patched
so now it's possible to get 11-15 homing torps in a line at you
which is pretty lethal if unlucky/don't have lead DCP Juneau
light crystal
🤔
elder crane
oh also pretty nice for offense since you don't have half your torps just aiming off the screen before they home on something
they instead home on something first, do a few loops, then go off the screen
thin cosmos
when we count total damage reduction from torp, they can't be a problem
bulge+WNT+flag
And as I always said, his VG just too weak.
sour oasis
Nelson Flag? People use that in PvP?
light crystal
Was good in the early days of release before Stealth, cuz you'd combine it with WNT on FS, and allowed Juneau to fully facetank torps better against torp meme
It's not like Nelson had bad stats as well for a BB Aux
thin cosmos
it's always good vs torp
and even vs not torp meme, better put it if you have 2 or 3BB
I will use flag even in nanoryuu, if I used yuki
light crystal
Sorta meh now, cuz running WNT + Beaver is better for Nagato now
thin cosmos
can't be 100%, cause there are quite a lot decs not only mirror
basically you don't need shoe for azuma
light crystal
Shoe gives speed and third best Eva Aux anyway
Other option is running Beaver + Rudder
thin cosmos
opportunity cost of shoe's 5 speed is quite high
light crystal
But that decreases overall net speed. Like wut else would u run on Nagato anyway? WNT and Rudder?
So yes, if running Azuma and Nagato, it's best to put Heels on Azuma*
thin cosmos
just think about vs french dec and torp meme
light crystal
You could run WNT + Nelson on Nagato, but that decreases overall Nagato tanking ability. Like she's gonna die anyway, and buffs persist, but the longer she's up, the better cuz she supports with AA/guns for longer
thin cosmos
better save your VG for sure
light crystal
Hense WNT/Beaver Nagato, Rudder/Heels Azuma
light crystal
Well, I like consistency across the board then trying to build for everything anyway
Might be boring to be less experimental, but it's my preferred style, as I'm lazy anyway
thin cosmos
man follow context
light crystal
Granted, I do level up many girls for experimental uses for PvP, but don't really end up using them. I like having the options, even if I don't actually use them
thin cosmos
the topic isn't what's best aux, but counter torp meme
light crystal
I was responding as to why Nelson was good
WNT+Manjuu/Juneau is good enough against torp meme
Torp meme is squishy, specially in defense. U tank the preloads, then u kill on first airstrike. Done.
thin cosmos
you still not following context
light crystal
Clearly not very contextual minded then, apparently.
thin cosmos
115/513 to Dev 30 Drake said his VG couldn't survive from torp meme.
So people said about how to survive from it
uncut agate
that reminds of this match I had earlier today
light crystal
So people said about how to survive from it
As did I. WNT + Lead Manjuu/Juneau
And then I showed how effective it is 👏
thin cosmos
your VG is the best VG not helena+swiftsure...
also you can't say your opponents had best setting or not
midnight heron
sure wouldve been nice if u can "recommend" pvp opponents to test against but fkin hell u cant cross server pvp even if its implemented
it would end my complaints in this channel if i could just see someone fight against fleets i have problems with and see how its dealt with
otherwise it remains a "he says, she says" issue
posting "numbers" here dont mean jack shit when in practice i experience completely different results than the supposed outcome
light crystal
The ultimate fuck u to torp meme would be: WNT/Nelson BB FS + Lead Juneau-Manjuu/Bulge + Noshiro. But like, u don't really need to do all that.
The main threat nowadays is from the sky
🛩️
candid sluice
🛫
trail temple
Instead the issue will end with people saying "Oh your RNG is just better than mine"
thin cosmos
we have perfect solution for test a dec.
Find someone who know like guild member.
Then ask to place a dec what you want to test.
So I would say just you guys didn't try to test
candid sluice
I’m the only one in my guild who actually does pvp
thin cosmos
you can add friends
radiant brook
Get a better guild
radiant brook
Is parallel > aimed in pvp for TB?
uncut agate
yes imo
sour oasis
My server doesn’t have very many pvp players
That's most servers today
proper sorrel
i like having parallel on shinano and converging on hiryuu
elder crane
Parallels on Hiryuu for torpmemes though
Also magnetized HMS torps are pretty lethal
Got two instant Nagato snipes and one instant Hiryuu snipe in 5 test matches lol
elder crane
RIP Amagi
DCP Jun final vanguard alive w Jun ykkz Azuma setup
Shinano getting chunked, not a kill tho sadly
Will make a vid after finding a fully proper enemy team
thin cosmos
what I wonder is hit rate
I mean reaching to enemy ship rate
torp has insane damage so if it's more than 50, would be very strong
light crystal
Manjuu-Juneau + Noshiro + WNT should be able to tank Torp Meme
thin cosmos
well that torp would kill back line
light crystal
Unlikely, cuz Juneau could heal back a chunk of it even if u get lucky and hit the Backline. U literally need to one shot one the girls on the back
thin cosmos
I will wait his video
also I will make it my self but problem is I have only 1 black oxy
it was only from event, right?
candid sluice
I’m at 3 from the guaranteed monthly ones
thin cosmos
you mean shop?
candid sluice
Yeah the ones from port shops
thin cosmos
but isn't it a general print?
candid sluice
Yes and I turned them all into plane ones
thin cosmos
I heard you had 2/2
elder crane
3 guaranteed generals, 1 from abyss, 3 from cats
for UR plane prints
+1 UR gun from abyss, + 1 UR AA from cats
thin cosmos
so I need 6 from not shop. seems just impossible((
thin cosmos
oh there still January?
candid sluice
Yeah server timezone is still in January
thin cosmos
kk
candid sluice
In about 9 hrs is the reset
elder crane
@thin cosmos you didn't clear out port shops?
candid sluice
Are your servers getting reset in feb also?
thin cosmos
no and that's problem)))))))
elder crane
ah you guys only got op si this month?
elder crane
anyways it's pretty impossible to 9 prints before first reset
so you only need 3
what happened to all the legit teams smh
anyways for now guess I'll just upload this one to showcase some sick snipes
and sometimes vanguard doing nothing with their torps
thin cosmos
we got op seiren at January 22
candid sluice
Wow thats really late
thin cosmos
and I can't find any reason for that
candid sluice
Are Korea servers always this late when in comes to updates?
thin cosmos
well almost always late
like italian event for now
we got 1week later
yeah but 1month later isn't common
but I think we had several monthly late update
+we don't have pizza skin)
trail temple
what happened to all the legit teams smh
Gone to genshin
elder crane
https://youtu.be/k5TLCUh9j5U
well here's some rando shit
enjoy watching torps nuke shit or miss everything
proper sorrel
well she does increase fleet speed + be invisible for a few seconds
and i guess the cruiser buff
thin cosmos
yes but naganami would be better for torp for sure
oh I found reason at bottom of video
elder crane
Leip I find actually works pretty nicely on offense to keep mirror RNG from being
well
not as shit
also I'm still thinking about Naganami, sadly either 10 s torps aren't magnetic (is that even an issue tbh?) or she can't run linear torps (and fan torps on offense are )
thin cosmos
I'm rather considering using new torp for old combo
for juneau and suzu
basically now the goal is attacking back line
and cause the back line cv would be stealth, so even without black oxy, would do some damage
in luck
elder crane
meh the traditional combo doesn't ever win by killing main really
it wins by killing vanguard
and not having your own die
thin cosmos
I mean I'm thinking about using new torp at my azuma suzu juneau
just changing torp
even don't use black oxy
elder crane
I suppose if Shinanoyuu first strike can reliably kill vanguard anyways then sure
but rn it doesn't and you win by killing opposing vanguard and not having yours die
hitting opposing main for some dmg doesn't really help that much
Neither Jun nor Suzu really has enough torp dmg for even landing 5 linear torps to actually matter, pretty much
elder crane
would it even do that much? sounds sketch to me
thin cosmos
wide torp can hit at least some shots in most case
but linear torp just pass VG and just go to back line if placed far
elder crane
it also doesn't even hit main if vanguard goes too back
thin cosmos
if you put them in defense, that's not matter
so would be hurt
but in case you use usual torp meme and most torp gone to back line, it means you gonna lose VG fight
and that's dilemma as I think
ibuki azuma juneau can be a solution
it's semi torp dec and ibuki can do quite a lot damage as solo not like other torp meme(they need pair)
thin cosmos
or you can use them in BB decs
they don't have to win VG fight. If you cut 1 back line really fast, really high chance for win
light crystal
https://youtu.be/k5TLCUh9j5U
well here's some rando shit
enjoy watching torps nu...
The meme potential
Noice
elder crane
but seriously this is legit kinda scary since this is just +10 torps
means even def team could easily RNG snipe offense main 
light crystal
Then I will begin using Noshiro if I have to, and put a bulge on Juneau. Tho probably will be rare either way
elder crane
the scary part is it doesn't seem even that rare
like 1/5 or so I swear I nuke some main fleet
and defense should have better position for it
thin cosmos
new HMS torp is indeed worse to kill VG
main focus is killing back line and there's not much counter for that
elder crane
for killing vg if you magnetize it, it's more RNG on smacking vanguard but hits really had if it does (with higher chance than magnetized 610s)
also I feel like unmaged it hits more than 610s do, probably due to smaller spread + slower torp speed
ofc main thing about that is DCP Jun still just absorbs the shots usually if it goes that way
thin cosmos
so that's why I concern semi torp dec
it seems it has more damage output in normal but more rng
elder crane
ye the really tight pattern means it usually just rando nukes something
sour oasis
3 guaranteed generals, 1 from abyss, 3 from cats
"Guaranteed?"
elder crane
the 150 items in shop are fixed
which includes the three generals
so every month you can get 3 and only 3 from there
candid sluice
Three universal ur prints are in the pool of port shop items per month
sour oasis
That's a lot of grinding
proper thistle
Is this still about the most resilient def you can put together?
Nagato with WNT/Beaver, Juneau with Manjuu/Pearls, Azuma with Rudder/Heels. Not sure what to use on Yuki. Fire extinguisher and Boiler?
Also should any positions in vanguard be swapped?
abstract cypress
good enough, could swap front-back according to preference
proper thistle
Were the aux accurate?
candid sluice
Looks good yea
proper thistle
Haven't used shin for pvp yet, any tips on her loadout?
Assume it's fuel / etc for the aux
sour oasis
Is this still about the most resilient def you can put together?
Nagato with WN...
It takes most of the RNG out of it at least
elder crane
low RNG def good for walling newbies but not good vs the best players since low RNG = offense will consistently win with the offense advantage
for trolling good players you run more RNG defense setups
sacred heath
fkn shit i hate sandbagging
i looked down and it was 1 min before refresh and i was at 6/10
first day and i've already dropped one
candid sluice
sacred heath
screw this, i'm rushing from now on
proper thistle
i thought that ur fleet
It is mine but wasnt sure if her pvp loadout is different from pve 
sacred heath
you're welcome, washington
proper thistle
ah yes, washington
hope i wasnt on your list
sour oasis
But also please don't flex defense fleet for both weeks. It burns newbies from playing PvP and most servers ||high-score seekers|| need new blood to feed on. (Because if everyone sandbags no one sandbags)
radiant brook
How many games in avrora you can lose before being locked out from AoTN?
thin cosmos
it totally depends on when and how you sandbag
radiant brook
What's sandbagging?
And the conditions are: I always pick the left most opponent to fight, and my PvP times are 12am, 4pm and 7pm server time
trail temple
If you're not sandbagging, the answer is 0
radiant brook
What even is sandbagging?
trail temple
and given the current environment, if you just want to aotn, rushing works fine
proper sorrel
you just actively wait until someone on your list moves so they have at least 35 points more than you
radiant brook
So fight right before refresh
proper sorrel
if you can snatch +2s early onto the season, then great
radiant brook
How?
proper sorrel
by actively waiting until someone on your list moves so they have at least 35 points more than you (+1), or if they're 70-71 points more than you, +2
radiant brook
fight right before every refresh, got it
proper sorrel
what
not everyone attacks at the end
some people rush as soon as attacks reset
and that's a good time to grab an extra point or two
hollow valve
what the new setup fleet for pvp anyway since warkai can't do the usual cv snipe
is it back to nagato, hiryuu, and
proper sorrel
shinano
radiant brook
Oh ok I'm already doing that now, except the 12pm refresh because I was sleeping (GMT+8)
proper sorrel
no amagi
proper sorrel
she's still good, just less
hollow valve
ykkz, jun, azuma
proper sorrel
that won't fail you
hollow valve
proper sorrel
i like using torp memes with nagato shinanoryuu
proper sorrel
something like that, though i prefer naganami or some other buffers in this case
radiant brook
Noshi/jintsuu/naganami
hollow valve
i see
proper sorrel
ayanami doesn't buff anyone and ibuki wants buffs
hollow valve
oh so just full out buffing ibuki
how's the equip setup, anything different from usual equips?
proper sorrel
subjective topic
hollow valve
proper sorrel
I'm on team mic avigas
hollow valve
radiant brook
Is there a best "non event" PvP team?