pvp

[coral wren]

what is this monstrosity?

[candid sluice]

[storm jewel]

feeling like perter strasser maybe something in pvp

[candid sluice]

10%

[radiant brook]

The "rank 69" makes it better

[mossy atlas]

i won a pvp match against someone who used shinano

said i lost and it even had shinano's defeat line

think they got a bit confused on who won cuz i still got +10 ranking pts lol

maybe i mustve been dreaming

[candid sluice]

[mossy atlas]

intrepid

she should really get a party dress

would love to see her in one

[high flume]

Is there any meta Eagle Union PvP comp that I can use? Went back after I stopped playing for a few months and my WASD-Enty still get clapped hard T.T

[radiant brook]

America sucks in pvp

Hell, anything that isn't Japan in pvp sucks (pls nerf nugget)

[candid sluice]

Maybe some double USS CV with PoW could work but haven’t personally tested it myself

[radiant brook]

Is perseus+ a legitimately good strat?

[thin cosmos]

what is your object in pvp?

stable win at offense?

[candid sluice]

No

[leaden solar]

i don't know why i'm chasing pvp, i just feel empty and a little stupid tryhard every day just for this

[thin cosmos]

For me, pvp is very challenging content since you have cover 20% damage reduction of attacker. That's why it's fun for me.

[sour oasis]

PvP is a bunch of pre-made puzzles made by other users. Unfortunately sometimes people have the same ideas.

[sour oasis]

Oh ho, at least you're not chasing the End of Season awards. A bunch of players take snapshots of the top-100 on each server about 10 minutes before the season ends, so the top runners tend to want to be on that.

Going for Admiral of the Navy is fairly practical. It's an extra 2500 toward getting that extra gold Purin a month. (Or any event ships you missed.) And as long as you don't lose too badly it's very much within grasp. (I managed to squeak in with 7 lost tickets this season; I would recommend 6 be the 'sane' limit though it's possible to capture it with as many as 11 lost tickets if you're both diligent in checking for match-up changes and lucky in getting them...)

[light crystal]

Honestly, I just want a better reward system. A persistent Ranking board in-game showing the EoS placements for last season would also go a long way.

Well, maybe with OS and the Guild update implemented, they can turn their attention to sprucing up a bit PvP as well

[cursive surge]

there any pvp tierlist of the ships?

[storm jewel]

there is one 1 pin but its outdated too hard into BB era

[thin cosmos]

@sour oasis Yes, it is. So after making puzzles, it's not so fun. But usually I'm the puzzle maker like at this update, so it's fun.

[thin cosmos]

About reward system, so many players hate ranking based real reward like items or gold. But I really want a ranking system which reflect power of dec, not reflecting patience. We can get very high end ranking with quite weak dec if he just have enough patience. Extra ranking in big events is very good ranking system which represent his own skill. Maybe adding pvp system without attacker buff and retreat, or just showing win late of defeding dec(include retreat) would be good for me.

[storm jewel]

make merit store juicier, nothing really juicy beside the bulin

[royal oyster]

you get less merit for doing end of season rankings than other methods

[light crystal]

Hmm, I was wondering if the Skypirate would be a good temporary Wyvern. Good AA and high HP to ensure consistent crash damage, 4x torps for VG, but the base Crash is pretty low, at 206. Wyvern is 420 (Cuda is 480, but Wyvern has much higher HP and AA to ensure the Crash dmg).

So perhaps just the one on my Shinano in the meantime, I guess.

Yikes

Yeah, Wyvern would take longer cuz u also need to get 9 gold plane BP's for the Firecrest in the tree.

[storm jewel]

oh still 0/9

gl in few hours bruh, shop rng bless

[light crystal]

It's not my fault Manjuu released a damn event after OS so soon, ok, can't focus both at once

[candid sluice]

The UR prints are the real problem

[storm jewel]

a lucky one can finish weyvern in 1 week just be lucky

[light crystal]

Meaning I'd ultimately need 18 gold plane BP's, if I want to make Skypirate first. I think I'm fucked either way, huh

[candid sluice]

Hoping for ur prints in port shops this reset

[light crystal]

Well, you'd need 12 gold plane BP's total for Wyvern. Alot of us have the Firebrand for free already, but if u want multiple Wyverns you'd have to build Firebrands first, and those take 3 gold plane BP's lol

[elder crane]

as if you're buying more than 1 Wyvern a month lol

or is firebrand out of core shop now?

[candid sluice]

It’s still there

Is the firecrest any good tho?

Worth upgrading to use before crafting wyvern or just there for craft purposes

[leaden solar]

at least I hope they add more rewards in the merit shop, I have thousands and the only one worth exchanging is sr bulin

[light crystal]

Oh, is it on Shop

Hmm, dunno if I wanna waste the points on it, given the Shells/Hulls/Etc else I might wanna get

RIP

[candid sluice]

That’s the thing lol

But if u craft it then your mats are poof

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

Naw just wyvern pre-req basically

[candid sluice]

Gotcha

[high flume]

@candid sluice What's the most recommended Eagle Union CV line-up? for now I have Enty and Essex and PoW = prince of wales right?

[thin cosmos]

I just hope I can get that update before you guys make it...

[candid sluice]

Yeah that’s basically it or you could replace enty with someone else and have eagle union vanguard ships

[next oxide]

Is swiftsure ok for pvp?

[storm jewel]

nahh

[sour oasis]

PvP vanguard is currently limited in 2.5 ways:
1a. Does it fit torpedo meme.
1b. Can it tank torpedo meme.
2. Can it quickly kill torpedo meme.

[uncut agate]

Azuma, Yuki, Juneau is more annoying than torpedo meme tbh

[elder crane]

PvP vanguard is currently limited 2.5 ways

1. Do you have Jun? GET HER YOU FOOL
2. Do you have Azuma? RESEARCH HER YOU FOOL
   3ish) Yukikaze? Well, Suzu then? What about Noshiro? Do you really have none of them smh?

[gritty cove]

Let's add submarines in pvp

[obsidian kite]

No

[light crystal]

I agree with this assessment more lol

[coral wren]

How well does a torp meme vanguard compliment a French BB backline

This what I’m using rn and it seems to be quite decent, especially against carrier backlines that aren’t detected

[thin cosmos]

what is retreat rate for that dec? I also tested BB back lines but quite often it just hit water

[coral wren]

I don’t know what the retreat rate was

[thin cosmos]

Do you always win?

[coral wren]

Oh

I don’t do that much pvp

I lost maybe one battle last month against a Japanese fleet, but then again I really don’t PVP much

[thin cosmos]

ok now I can see your point.Maybe what you want to say is torpedo vanguard +BB not so bad.

[coral wren]

Not necessarily

I was just asking if the French BBs with their explosive preload salvos compliment well with Japanese torpedo spam to delete the enemy frontline within the first 5 seconds of the battle

[hot creek]

Its not as good as you think and its very RNG reliant against any decent comp. Go ahead and use that if you happen to have them leveled and nothing else but don't go out of your way to level them for pvp.

[coral wren]

I already have them leveled up just for normal stuff

I have meta ships, but it’s boring to use the same stuff

and I can always reroll my battles until I do end up deleting the frontline

[thin cosmos]

It's quite obvious you can win in some times. only matter is how often you win or lose

So many decs can bit the strongest dec but quite different winning rate between them

[coral wren]

Yes, this is pretty accurate. If I get lucky I can beat a meta fleet. Just takes some rerolls that’s all

[thin cosmos]

And we are trying to avoid that reroll with the best dec and settings

[coral wren]

Yes, I understand

[tender bay]

I should have been a bit more lucky and dont sleep 24/7

[sharp obsidian]

Can anyone give some tips on how to quickly Dev 30 Azuma / FDG? A lot of folks seem to be able to do that already

Are those guys doing the Cube researches? is that it? 😮

[proper sorrel]

#gameplay-help but yes. cube researches and a lot of RNG, should take around ~6 months if you're lucky, to max dev a DR ship

[gloomy lantern]

After the CV update my Akaga+Nagato fleet seems to be doing far better, Warspite doesn't ruin my Carriers anymore

I feel like Akaga is good again in pvp, is this true?

My vanguard is currently Baltimore, Laffey, San Diego. All 3 are maxed out and oathed with the best +10 equipment. Although I've been raising Azuma, Kitakaze and Yukikaze to take over in a few months.

I'm not sure if Kitakaze is actually good or not in pvp so i'm also raising Juneau

[candid sluice]

Season dead

Top 8 lmao

[light crystal]

[storm jewel]

[candid sluice]

Gamer

What server is that

[toxic knot]

Excield is on Washington

[uncut agate]

Dev20 Azuma or Dev30 Sanrui, who to pick?

[hot creek]

if you're using Nagato, probably Azuma.

[uncut agate]

I'm using warkai

with Shinano and Centy for now.

My Hiryuu is only lvl 111, so it'll take some time to start using her

[midnight heron]

everytime when i have to reset pvp

[thin cosmos]

Does anyone know about Peter's 2nd skill? I wonder that 7second cooldown is include counting, also just after start of skill or end of skill

[elder crane]

It's much better than before but still fails vs Juneau-Azuma teams, just not quite enough dmg to compete

Also should foxes start becoming an issue, just tech Jeanne d'Arc in and that ruins them

[candid sluice]

JdA belfast and wnt

[empty owl]

Um are these 3 the ones who make up the sakura torpedo meta

[candid sluice]

Indeed

[sour oasis]

@empty owl as a backup, there's also Ibuki PRY (double preload), Ayanami DD (low HP and slow reload, but highest potential damage per salvo), and Yukikaze DD (best survival ability, but no buffs).

[empty owl]

Ah thank you

[sour oasis]

Noshiro, Naganami, Jintsu are the priority; Noshiro provides critical damage buff and torpedo defense, Jintsu provides a 2nd bigger torpedo buff, and Naganami has the fastest firing rate (her ability gives a bonus salvo almost exactly between regular salvos) while having a high torpedo rating.

[coral wren]

How do you beat Juneau Azuma frontlines

[elder crane]

your own
but probably torpmemes is your best bet to RNG a win if you don't have them in return
Or french preloads, and maybe 3CV lineups vs certain setups

[coral wren]

I use French preloads + torp meme

Except I don’t have Jintsuu so I use Ayanami and hope for the best

[elder crane]

Well
the best setup is the best one for a reason
if it was so easy to consistently beat, it wouldn't be the best setup after all

and AL is not a game where there's hard counters, for the most part

[coral wren]

True, RNG is a bitch

[thin cosmos]

torpedo team without Jintsuu is just crab

[buoyant parrot]

one thing is true. You cannot torpedo meme without Jintsu. It is not effective compare to when you have her on it.

@elder crane do you have Wyvern yet? I'm 5 plates away from it

[storm jewel]

wonder if anyone 5 designs yet

3 fixed from shop

already

[sour oasis]

Do you have Ibuki? If you're lacking in buffs, you can compensate with sheer volume (two preloaded torpedo salvos). You're hoping to melt Juneau in <10s and do the same to Azuma after Juneau wastes her heal.

[elder crane]

Still 4/8 on designs
Also 4/8 on gold designs because drop RNG hates me

[thin cosmos]

it seems quite easy to make wyvern. It's less than 2week and you are already half

[elder crane]

3/4 of them are shop generals though

Unknown if this is normal rates or we've been lucky so far

If shop dries up,
Only 2 rainbow print drops so far and it's randomly split into 4 (or 5?) categories

[thin cosmos]

So it's even better cause main source is shop and you can pick at there

[storm jewel]

at least to be the next cycle of ops wyvern can be crafted

[coral wren]

Nah

[candid sluice]

It’s 3 prints per month on shop so it still takes a while just from there

Also a kick in the nuts when the only rainbow print I’ve gotten is AA

[storm jewel]

u have 27 days before next ops reset

so plenty of time to clean the shop

[elder crane]

Do you know what the rates are on shop?

[thin cosmos]

nope

[candid sluice]

The shop is restricted to a pool of 150 items per month, when you buy something from shop it won’t appear again

That’s why half of my port shops are empty

[mint hornet]

How do we know about the 150 item pool limit? Was it datamined by someone?

[tender bay]

Pinned message in #gameplay-help but i guess it still didnt confirmed. Just info from CN

[candid sluice]

Confirmed on CN servers and also explains why some port shops are completely empty

[tender bay]

So it's confirmed Sadge

[candid sluice]

Yep

Just pure rng for the next 6 prints

[mint hornet]

ah, I see
thanks @tender bay and @candid sluice

[candid sluice]

[mint hornet]

guess I'm ahead of the curve since my cats got me 2 plane prints

[candid sluice]

Lucky

[naive dome]

what's the best aux for CV ?

[coral wren]

Steam catapult and homing beacon, maybe aviation fuel tank

Probably something else that I’m missing

[candid sluice]

Avgas over catapult imo

[coral wren]

I forgot about that. Thanks for adding that too

[elder crane]

Avgas + microphone obvs smh

[candid sluice]

No beacon

[light crystal]

Imagine using Mikes over Beacons.

[sour oasis]

The AA mics?

[thin cosmos]

I can't say it's better than beacon

it just decreases dispersion

[keen obsidian]

if my current matches are all afk, I should just do all 5 quickly before reset?

[mint hornet]

yea
in theory some other sandbagger can have you on their list and you can give them a bonus. Given an adequate amount of time

in reality if you got no bonuses, just remember to use your tickets at some point and you're good to go

[light crystal]

What is a priority PvP aux to level up I wonder

Perhaps WNT?

Past +10*

[thin cosmos]

I think rudder or WNT

[coral wren]

i equip WNT, defender equipd Frontier Medal

what happens

[midnight heron]

game explodes

[sour oasis]

BBs will cry.

[thin cosmos]

Just both work, isn't it?

[elder crane]

Both work if on opposite sides, yea

[candid sluice]

Missed theee exers because of school

[proper sorrel]

just do pvp during class 🧠

pvp > grades afterall,

[candid sluice]

I completely forgot abt them

Season dead

[proper sorrel]

only 3 right?

[sacred heath]

you can still aotn after 3 drops

[proper sorrel]

^

i was able to get aotn with 15 missed attacks

had to rush suuupper early though

[sacred heath]

[candid sluice]

No end of season for me

Guess I’ll just rush the rest of my tickets

[proper sorrel]

what

sand bag until the very end

and rush at the end

[sour oasis]

I hit AotN reliably last season with 7 missed exercises. Had to play within an hour of refresh on day 13.

But EoS rank-100 score took a nosedive last season.

It's partially because players are leaving PvP, but those that join/stay just drag anchor until just before refresh. We need more rusher at other hours.

[elder crane]

I miss matches many more seasons than I don't yet still almost always hit AotN

Especially early missed matches are a bit whatever

Week2 is oof though

[candid sluice]

Right so sandbag week 1 then rush second week

[last cosmos]

What aux gear does noshiro run in a Yukikaze/Juneau/Noshiro frontline?

[hot creek]

bulge/shoe or boiler/shoe

[last cosmos]

bulge/shoe when fighting torpedo cancer i assume?

[midnight heron]

and today i find more evidence that the game just bullshits u as and when it likes to

a single shinano dealing more crash dmg than hiryuu+shinano combined

seems legit dude

[hot creek]

maybe he got +13 wyverns

[midnight heron]

no

[storm jewel]

can CV AA reduce their crash damage taken ?

just +10 2 mics today

[midnight heron]

bruh im using mics myself

it makes no sense how hes able to do that much dmg

and its with both our vg standing

either theres some 🍝 code going on or its hax

[elder crane]

Yep

[midnight heron]

oh and hes using 818s

so again fking bs

2 cvs with cudas cant do more dmg than 1 cv with 818

seems reasonable 👍

/S

[storm jewel]

818 peter strasser w be the rng meta ?

[mossy atlas]

why does his lucky E proc but mine doesnt 🤦 🤦

ahhhh EvE

[sour oasis]

RNG hates you. Go sacrifice a raptor.

[candid sluice]

Enty in pvp is always frustrating

Gonna replace mine with some other cv soon

[dull hollow]

[storm jewel]

too stinky

[upper cove]

launch many planes = good

incredible

[hot creek]

Iriya is back?

[somber granite]

Is that with any muse equipments for the skill?

[tender bay]

Who is better Amagi or Hiryuu with Nagato+Shinano?

[uncut agate]

Hiryuu imo

[candid sluice]

Hiryuu

[dull hollow]

no i just slapped some generic shit on her cuz im leveling her to 120 slowly

just didnt expect her to consistently take mvp all the time despite shinano's enomous plane count

esp since her pve performance is like giga shit

12-4 actually so annoying with her

[sour oasis]

Taiho muse better than Taiho vanilla?

[thin cosmos]

imo, highly because of your item setting. shinano must be slower reload so taiho just kill before.

[elder crane]

First CV to launch gets a lot of extra dmg from splashing mob spawns

And from getting final kill/full dmg on final strike wave

[rare zephyr]

Anyome can help me build exercise team? Ill level non levelef ship if needed

[sacred heath]

[rare zephyr]

Is something wrong

[sacred heath]

just a lot of pics

[rare zephyr]

Well i cut out purple units idk how else to show dock

[sacred heath]

you don't really have many of the meta ships, but that doesn't matter as much in the midpack (edit: i found some of them)

but backline should be nagato, shinano, aaaand

[rare zephyr]

Nagato middle right?

[sacred heath]

yess

[rare zephyr]

I do pve good with my teams but i always get rekt exercise

What else to put

[sacred heath]

is there a hiryuu hiding somewhere in the list?

if so, nagato shinano hiryuu

otherwise nagato shinano amagi

[rare zephyr]

Oh no perse?

[sacred heath]

nope, percy no good in pvp unless you get super lucky and wipe their vanguard fast

but that's super unlikely

[rare zephyr]

No hiryu isint she hard

To get

I came back to game recentlly

Before that just summoned

Alright i placed them

[sacred heath]

she's not too hard, but is drop-only from 3-1, 3-2, and 3-3

vanguard is more difficult with your ships

[rare zephyr]

What should i do with front

Oh thought shes from event

Missunderstood names probbably with diff bunny

[sacred heath]

do you have juneau?

USS CL, blue

[rare zephyr]

Looked for it

Sadly no

[sacred heath]

unfortunate

[rare zephyr]

I mightve fed her early on

Since in the begining i fed many blues

[sacred heath]

without noshiro, azuma, or juneau i'm not too sure what to do with your vanguard

you could try to make like yukikaze, jeanne d'arc, suzutsuki work

but i'm at a loss

[rare zephyr]

Took pics of all vanguards

So my acc is mainlly pve units?

[sacred heath]

no, it's just that pvp meta is extremely restricted lol

i mean on attack it's probably a good idea to prioritize the higher-leveled ships over "meta"

so like your 120 tashkent will be better than a 100 suzu

[rare zephyr]

Ye but idm raising them

Tjats why i askef

To make team and slowly work on it

Since pve seems quite chill and ez to progress

Tho i bet i made mistakes building that too lol

Hmm

[sacred heath]

noshiro is out of reach until they rerun SCB

but just using juneau + pearl will be a big improvement to your winrate

[rare zephyr]

Maybe i should work on some pr

Im almost done on cherishe

Or w.e shes called

[sacred heath]

saint louis used to be pretty good as a pvp vanguard but idk about nowadays

[rare zephyr]

I wish i could use idols or malin anywhere

Also isint belfast decent at pvp

[sacred heath]

used to be, when akagi/kaga was the meta

[rare zephyr]

Eh well

Ty for trying ill just wait for smth

And avoid pvp

[sacred heath]

i mean use whatever you have on attack

worst case scenario you have to fight a lower level person

[rare zephyr]

I hope i wont get stuck in pve in the future tho! XD

Do i have atleast decent meta vanguards for pve?

Tho i bet cant ask that question here

/join pve

[coral wren]

No such club exists.

[sacred heath]

[crude mortar]

anybody had max rushing table?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/750595027746422864/737658088160493638.gif

[candid sluice]

Not max tho

[sacred heath]

that for 0/10 rushing?

[crude mortar]

thats max sandbag

i need max rushing table

[delicate owl]

there is a table here but idk if it's accurate or not
https://youtu.be/0Kd-isT5Jac?t=650

[thin cosmos]

How is it going about VG? Are you guys still using yuki or changed?

[candid sluice]

I’m still using her for now, but I’m gonna try out suzutsuki when I have her leveled

[sour oasis]

Juneau and 2 IJN, or 3 IJN?

[thin cosmos]

due to manjuu, 1 USS is much better than 0 USS

[storm jewel]

not much torp threat on pvp anymore, bulge juneau would do fine all day

helena gets manju 24/7 now

[candid sluice]

Helena in pvp?

[storm jewel]

did u not see eriiiikaaa here using her

nah i just use her in bb fleet in pve, what i said is juneau really dont need that manju anymore, not much torp cancer in the beginning now the end

only 1 guy worthy of using that comp so far for me

[thin cosmos]

manjuu helena is quite good if you are weak

but like all other chance skill, she is quite useless when SG didn't activated. So no reason to use her if you are strong enough.

There are so many chance based barrage ships, but they can do some damage without barrage also and have good stats+BB(can survive much longer).

[candid sluice]

Especially with wnt the manjuu aux on juneau is just another middle finger to torpmeme comps

[storm jewel]

[next garden]

Would kii or monarch be better for pvp? I assume neither are very good but i'll take what I can

[uncut agate]

Monarch

[frail orbit]

20s kii timed

Is derp

2021 and still asking this

Just run CV with huge TB slot

For crash

[safe meteor]

is there a new best dive bomber?

also, is there any place where i can check crash dmg of these planes?

[upper cove]

the wiki

[elder crane]

naw you lead Manjuu Juneau to absorb Shinano/Hiryuu airstrikes, and then heal up most of the crash dmg that was dealt (and boost other two vanguard HP)
manjuu makes the timing of the heal very consistent, also means she absorbs extra dmg your other vanguards would otherwise take

[storm jewel]

yeah i let my vanguard take it anytime

just see how casual pvp is in sandy, no big threat

[midnight heron]

tested a few more times and i find more bs inconsistencies

carrier detection mechanic is supposed to give bonus dmg to undetected carriers right

yet somehow if the enemy gets detected while im not

i deal significantly less dmg

[sacred heath]

🍝

[midnight heron]

enemy gets to nuke my backline especially with crash dmg

which doesnt even make any fking sense

and keep in mind im running every "AA + hit" aux in possession on ALL my ships except jun and noshi

theres no fking excuse

[thin cosmos]

so what you want to say?

[midnight heron]

fix the bloody game

[thin cosmos]

just make better dec and everything ok

it's definitly more RNG before CV patch, but still quite low lose rate if you have good attacking dec

[midnight heron]

bs

im using good equips

yet still getting ridiculously nonsensical results

[sacred heath]

i nearly lost to a weird entyfleet yesterday

i wasn't even paying attention

shouldn't have been close

i look over and hiryuu is all that's left, already having procced fc

fought again and only lost juneau

[thin cosmos]

so you guys think it's wrong? I can't see why it's wrong.

[sacred heath]

i think weird stuff is happening that i can't explain

[midnight heron]

didnt i just say

i have hidden carriers

enemy doesnt

yet im doing significantly less dmg than them for some reason

[thin cosmos]

oh now I see

I thought the detection was opposite

so you are talking about bug like situation

[midnight heron]

yes

[thin cosmos]

I think that bug isn't exist in here

so same game has a bug at some server and not at some server))

[midnight heron]

after first carrier trade

how tf does this even make sense

just look at backline hp

hidden carriers do more dmg?

does it look that way?

what a load of nonsense

[thin cosmos]

seems enemy CV has a bug about detection

it's similar damage with none detection

if both none detected, that's right cause attacker backline take more damage

[midnight heron]

yea but u can clearly see

im undetected before first strike

yet enemy is

i still take more dmg

tf

[thin cosmos]

so should be bug

[midnight heron]

and keeping in mind im using aa gear

it makes even less sense

[thin cosmos]

AA gear isn't that good as you think

just calculate

[midnight heron]

idk about specifics

but if im running aa gear i expect to take less air dmg regardless

[thin cosmos]

ofcourse and you do less damage

[midnight heron]

sure

but again

attacker advantage supposedly has 20% dmg reduction

how does it not work in my advantage

either way i should have the upper hand

yet as shown in the screenshots

i take more dmg

20% dmg reduction IN ADDITION to undetected carriers

[elder crane]

aren't they running ykkz and you're running Noshiro?

[midnight heron]

doesnt rly change much

8% dmg reduction compared to 20%?

[thin cosmos]

yuki is really important

[elder crane]

also +35 AA is less dmg reduction than +100 Avi is dmg boost

and +30 hit doesn't boost crash

it's just better for killing vanguard

[midnight heron]

idk how ykkz is supposed to change the results that much

[thin cosmos]

the most critical is VG position

[midnight heron]

like i said

attacker 20% vs ykkz 8%

still works in my favour

[elder crane]

you are running sex bofors on Juneau, right?

[thin cosmos]

defender CV has advantage more than that 20%

[midnight heron]

i dont have pr3 gear if thats what u referring to

[elder crane]

oh, well that makes some difference

it's the PR3 AA gun yea

[midnight heron]

still using 113

[thin cosmos]

2000lb bombing attack backline also, while attacker can't

So it's very normal if damage dealing for back line is similar, but in that case you aren't detected, they are detected, so seems bug

I could make attacker to try about 20~30% chance

if it were BB mirror, highly will be not that high rate

here's no bug about CV at all

[midnight heron]

i tested again using beacon instead of aa gear

no diff

for some reason pic didnt get copied

[crude jetty]

yuki heal maybe? <.<

[midnight heron]

buddy she heals 10% of 1 ship

no amount of 10% is gonna make this much diff

something doesnt add up

[crude jetty]

if it makes Hiryuu proc later?

[midnight heron]

why does it matter

im comparing airstrike dmg

not win rate

ive already listed out all the inconsistencies ive found in my test

things dont add up

i cant do anything about it

and thats what pisses me off

if a concealed cv fleet isnt gonna have any benefits like its supposed to

why even introduce that mechanic

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im fking done

[crude jetty]

then they have to fix this... if there is really something ..odd

[midnight heron]

UNLESS the cv bonus gets removed THE INSTANT i get detected

theres rly no explaining how my backline is taking more dmg

cuz then it would make sense

i dont get a bonus anymore cuz this guy launches a tad bit faster to detect my cv before my planes reach his

but who even knows if the mechanic works that way

[sacred heath]

there was some discussion of that earlier in gph

the current thought is the game snapshots your stealth status on airstrike launch, just like other buffs

so if you get detected after you launch but before the airstrike hits, it should still get the buff

[midnight heron]

either way no one can say for sure

just adds fuel to the fire tbh

[light crystal]

I made a gold Helldiver, +11'd and put it on Shinano.

I've also switched to using triple Cuda, up from using 818/Cuda/Ryusei.

I plan to upgrade Shinano's third slot Cuda to a Wyvern asap. Or maybe Hiryu first since she's 150% Eff over 130%? We'll see.

[sacred heath]

so in like 4 months

[light crystal]

Is it hat hard? I think I'm at 4 UR Plane BP's so far, u need 9...

[candid sluice]

You get three ur prints from port shops every reset

It depends on your luck getting extra plane bps

[sacred heath]

okay so 2 more months i guess

[light crystal]

I mean, just do ur Abysses/Strongholds/Cat-Nodes and hope for the best

[thin cosmos]

better fighter

[candid sluice]

Watch them give me more aa prints

[storm jewel]

the first wyvern will be like

in next ops cycle so 1-1.5months

[light crystal]

Against mirrors, maybe going Fighter instead of TB might be better, hmm 🤔

I honestly don't know wut's the best general plane lodout with Shin/Hiryu

[thin cosmos]

fighter infact do 2times attack vs hiryuu or other barrage CV. So quite good even for bomb damage

500lb×4

[candid sluice]

How well does the 818 ryuusei combo with shin hiryuu perform?

[sacred heath]

total RNG

when it hits, it hits

[light crystal]

The reason I'm asking this, I went against a YKKZ/Suzu user that was annoying. Same mainline, but I swear, on the first airstrike exchange he came out on top somehow. Both my Cv's got exposed, and his were barely half filled with their bars

[sacred heath]

otherwise, <sadtrombone>

[light crystal]

The other guy WAS using 818

I saw the slow

But I think he was running Fighters on his Shinano tho

[storm jewel]

hiry fighter not enough ?

[light crystal]

Cuz I dunno how both my CV's are spotted after first strike, but his were only filled half way

Now I know that Defense VG has the advantage with their stupid positioning

They RNG cross ur blue line more often then u do theirs

But I think my planes were also getting intercepted more as well

[storm jewel]

interesting about vg there, gotta check that

[light crystal]

It's a fact, pay attention

[storm jewel]

but after first airstrike usually both side got spotted tho

[alpine finch]

hey it's that guy

[light crystal]

Look

[storm jewel]

it takes like few intercepts early game and the other backline already got spotted
but after airstrike and still unspotted, thats weird

[light crystal]

Fpr some reason ur VG plays ont he blue line, whil theirs are actually half way in

The RNG is pretty eh, all things considered.

[storm jewel]

im just wondering the reason why you planes cant spot enemy after first airstrike, so many planes and cant kill them all

[light crystal]

Maybe mobility is better overall, I dunno

Oh no, it isn't an issue in general

Just against this particular guy

Tiel

[storm jewel]

interesting, gonna camp here abit to see the talks

[thin cosmos]

well is this talk about 10s barrage or 20s air strike?

[light crystal]

I think it was his loadout or something, I dunno

20s air strike.

[candid sluice]

Are u using the exact same plane loadouts or is he using other planes

[light crystal]

Shinano

[candid sluice]

Also like you said earlier, the opp vanguard is more forward than yours and have more space to run around and intercept planes

[light crystal]

Hiryuu

Gets affected by Nagato's 20% Reload

[thin cosmos]

no matter what he use, stealth should be removed after air strike exchange

[candid sluice]

Then he might be running fighters on his shin too

[thin cosmos]

if not, it's just a bug

[storm jewel]

u got so much torp going to their vg face, why not adding 5%aa bonus instead of bigger bomb

[light crystal]

Thats wut Ive been saying

I have contemplated using VF17. Second best DPS (surface), and faster Reload, as well as the 5% extra AA

Maybe I should, tbh

[thin cosmos]

so still we are dealing with after air strike? or barrage?

fighters just much better for 10s barrage exchange that's why it's better than cuda

[light crystal]

This would be Hiryuu's strike timers, with my current kit (Sea Hornet)

This is with VF17*

[thin cosmos]

Still we are talking about different thing

[light crystal]

It's not much. DPS would go down (cuz of the bomb loadout), but maybe the 5% extra AA may help with interception

Then I could run Sea hornet on Shinano instead

[candid sluice]

Are your CVs detected during first hiryuu interception or when air strikes actually launch?

[light crystal]

After the strike

[thin cosmos]

👍

[light crystal]

VG's still alive

So it's a plane issue

Tbh, I wish I could've tested more against Tiel

But I got the matchmaking like 10mins before Refresh

So no time

But yeah, maybe AA is the way to go

[thin cosmos]

what I tested is this

[light crystal]

I'm running Sex Bofor on Juneau

[thin cosmos]

at 10s barrage exchange, you have to detect opponent while you aren't.

agree?

[light crystal]

So these are base values, before all the buffs/debuffs (From Skills and Exercise mode) are taken into consideration

[thin cosmos]

very hard to save your CVs from detection without fighters

also more hard to detect opponent cause you launch 2less planes

that's what I got from more than 50times test

5%AA ofcourse very good but it's rather hornet vs vf17

About AA gun, I used 6th bofos and now charged to 113

[thin cosmos]

I use this

[candid sluice]

The initial launches from hiryuu retro skill is also rng the number of planes that are launched

[light crystal]

Oh nice, got a 3 guys on my current MM. They got some good varied, strong CV line ups I can test against

[elder crane]

Until you get wyvern the mirror will be very RNG on detection

[thin cosmos]

yes and that's why you need fighters

[elder crane]

That's why I'm running Namano instead

No fighters at all

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

@elder crane Wut dod u do against Hiryuu users tho

[elder crane]

Push vanguard through

[light crystal]

Thats y I dont wanna run Amagi

But how the fuck u do with a neutered airstrike

Wuts ur VG anyway

[thin cosmos]

you should meet suzu azuma Juneau

[elder crane]

Shinano isn't spotted though
No fighters means it's just Hiryuu barrage, which can't spot

Avoid fighter RNG by just not having it happen in the first place

[thin cosmos]

it's true that there would be no sporting rng if you use tb at 1st slot

[elder crane]

If their vg dies and Nagato dies before my vanguard does, Shinano and Hiryuu are just sitting ducks

And ofc also Shinano strike wave can spot both enemy CV, so they don't get two boosted strikes

[light crystal]

I dont get ur logic at all

[thin cosmos]

think some more😋

[light crystal]

Get rid of the "rng" barrage. But wut stops from them getting their barrage in? The lack of mirror barrage does not mean he won't barrage u at all

[elder crane]

Yes their barrage happens
It's 2-4 planes
So what

It's not enough to spot Shinano

If no fighters on my team, their fighters don't launch either

[light crystal]

And wuts the benefit of urs not going through?

It's the same whether u got a barrage in or not, right?

[thin cosmos]

nope

[elder crane]

The issue in the first place is that shinanoyuu mirror is RNG who is spotted and who is not

Defense even has slight advantage due to VG positioning

[light crystal]

Right

[elder crane]

No fighter Namamo just has everyone not spotted until after first strike wave

Which turns out to work just fine on offense

[light crystal]

Hmm

[elder crane]

Margins too tight to work on defense though, as you can see in my screencaps

[light crystal]

If ur VG folds, ur fucked against Hiryuu alive and Shinano being alive on ur side

[elder crane]

Basically you rely on Amagi+offense advantage making it that your Shinano kills their vanguard harder than their Shinano+Hiryuu kills your vanguard

[radiant brook]

So it's worth bringing fighters on shinano for spotting?

[elder crane]

I haven't lost a vanguard fight period yet somehow

Maybe cause +13 rudder on Azuma

[light crystal]

The issue is that Amagi doesn't actively helpw ith killing the Vg tho

[elder crane]

Shinano alone can wipe in two strikes
Well, with Azuma

[delicate owl]

so for offense, namano is better while for defense, nanoryuu is more preferred?

[elder crane]

Amagi also barrages enemy Hiryuu which probably helps?

Seems like it for now
Possibly 3CV better for offense than Nanoryuu rn just cause of the stupid mirror and spotting RNG
Can't wait for wyvern

[light crystal]

Wyvern is gonna be game changer

[thin cosmos]

not about 3cv

they launch slower so even with stealth advantages, worse

[light crystal]

Higher plane interception, higher crash dmg (With higher HP for bigger crash dmg), and 4x torps for doing damage against VG

[elder crane]

Literally over 3x the crash dmg of cudas, probably, yeah

[light crystal]

If only I had 5 more of those UR BP's

[elder crane]

Cause intercept at 10 s, intercept with strike wave, and bigger HP

[thin cosmos]

It's just shocked that already 13 rudder

too much gap between servers

I have to wait Monday to get 12 gun

[light crystal]

@elder crane Wuts ur Azuma Aux

[candid sluice]

What vanguards are u using to wipe their vang blue?

[light crystal]

Actually, I can guess. Juneau(Manjuu/Boiler), Azuma(Rudder/Gyro), and either YKKZ or Suzu with (Tears/Boiler).

[elder crane]

Rudder shoes duh

[light crystal]

And like u said, u have a +13 Rudder

[elder crane]

yes on the rest

[light crystal]

Huh??

Ur giving up alot of accuracy and 3 speed, for more tanking?

Does it even help?

[elder crane]

128 on Jun, 114 on ykkz and Azuma

[light crystal]

128 wut?

[elder crane]

the new AP gun

[light crystal]

Why AP???

I'm running 138mm on my Juneau

[elder crane]

trying it out, seems to do okay

between pens and higher velocity

[light crystal]

But anyway, does stacking EVA actually help with mitigating airstrikes?

In a meaningful way I mean

[elder crane]

Ye esp since no one runs +hit it seems

[light crystal]

Well, u run Gyro cuz while also giving Hit u get 8 Speed

Otherwise ud run Boiler, but 245 HP means jackshit fo Azuma

As opposed to 35 Hit

[elder crane]

yeah, I'm unsure about that, but then again, Azuma does seem to occasionally only narrowly survive

and it seems fine for Shinano to take two strikes to wipe vanguard, which she seems to overkill somewhat anyways

[light crystal]

Yeah, thats wut I meant

I dont think stacking Eva items really helps much against airstrikes

[elder crane]

it does though

+speed is only useful vs BBs these days cause 818

[light crystal]

I feel that if she gets hit by planes, she's getting bruised, and HARD

[elder crane]

818 lands = she gets hit anyways so might as well just accept it and make her survive

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

too little speed and BB shells start landing too though which is oof

[light crystal]

True, and Wyvern isn't gonna help much either

Cuz 4x torps, gonna be even harder to dodge that shit

Wuts Eva on +13 Rudder anyway?

[elder crane]

49

[light crystal]

I only have enough plates to +12, as I've been selecing to get plane BP's instead

[elder crane]

yes ikik
why isn't it +50 ffs

does that 1 really matter smh

so triggering

[light crystal]

Im going all in on Plane > Gun > everything else

[elder crane]

I'm going for aux first since that's in highest demand in long run as usual

[light crystal]

So it goes by +3 for every lv, then?

I see

So u got 28 + 49, so 77 EVA on ur Azuma, then?

If u were to max Heels, u'd get 34 + 49, so maxed EVA would be 83* then

[elder crane]

yeah Azuma base eva is seriously low

barely more than BB

[light crystal]

She has skill that buffs EVA tho

[elder crane]

gotta get the eva to buff though since it's %

[light crystal]

53 Base, with skill is 63.6(So 63, rounded down), and 83, it's 146 Eva.

8040 HP (With +13 Rudder), 146 Eva (If skill procs, otherwise 136), Medium armor, 0 Luck, and 32 Speed.

I guess I'll try to keep that in mind and go for Aux plates as well

So for gold, you'd need 120 gold plates per +13 stuff. Meaning, 240 Aux plates for the Rudder/Kicks

And assuming all 6 planes are +13, 720 plane BP's for 6 gold planes.

It's 360 to +13 a Rainbow/UR equip, so if running 1 Wyvern, 5 golds = 960 BP's needed. Or should u want to run double Wyvern and 4 golds = 1200 gold plane BP's.

Fun times are ahead

[storm jewel]

way too hardcore slow down boi

[light crystal]

@elder crane Have u +'d the Sex Bofor on ur Juneau, by any chance? Like, I really don't know wut's worth to Enhance for an AA mount, tbh

Might as well go for Juneau's Sex Bofor if anything

Maybe it helps...

[light crystal]

Well, looks like +13'ing a Sex Bofor for Juneau could actually be worth it. That's nice to know

[light crystal]

Also, going forward, I think I'll also do Rudder/Kicks. I found some more consistency. I tested it like 30-40 times or so against Kaine, with Gyro/Kicks and Rudder/Kicks.

[radiant brook]

The names though

[upper cove]

FFNF Hiryuu

[candid sluice]

Lol kaine and his baguette fleet

[elder crane]

Yeah +11, as you say nothing else to do anyways
it just increases AA dmg so pretty much just useful for sex bofors I suppose

[light crystal]

His VG is actually good too

They're all Light armored (So take less plane dmg), and their torps (Cuz Noshiro and Suzu combo) can hurt ur Juneau. Added the RNG smoke that can troll u around

And naturally fast cuz of 2 DD

I could actually run that same exact set-up, but I dunno.

[elder crane]

and you just know
if you ran that on offense
immediately hit by 818 and just dies

[light crystal]

Anyway, Rudder/Kicks is pretty good.

My main concern now is that Hornet/HDX3/Cuda is not too good in PvE, and I was using Shinano for PvE duty in OS as well.

Well, as they buffed Taiho, I guess I'll build Taiho for PvE on her instead.

[thin cosmos]

you have to buy aux or gun from shop

also if you need damage for azuma, just make her gun 13 and use shoes. It give more than 10%ehp vs CV.

about slow of 818, you guys just too over estimating it. I tried cento+formi bombing settings.

They could bomb on just stopped target and even that case, a lot of times vg could survive just with evasion.

[elder crane]

That's cause Shinano hits much harder... Esp with Nagato

There's not many ships that can survive that, esp if Nagato barraged too

[thin cosmos]

well it was with shinano with 3IJN ship(vg)+frontier medal. Also 3CV get stealth buff much more chances than nagato shinano hiryuu when fight each other. So I'm quite sure that dealing isn't that weak.

[elder crane]

you'd be surprised, running them in op siren(stronghold, abyss, Miryuu, Guild boss), Shinano without 3 IJN buff or Nagato buff deals something like twice the dmg of Centaur and 50% more than Formidable

[thin cosmos]

well as I said what I tested was shinano +cento+formi with frontier medal

[elder crane]

oh you mean on offense
yeah no it's not reliable on offense
but the fact it can 1-shot a decent amount of the time vs many vanguards means it's a really annoying defense team

also Nagato-boosted Shinano/Hiryuu/Azuma will hit harder than Shinano Cent Formi

[thin cosmos]

I agree with 818 defense team is more annoying than cuda.

What I want to say is when you fight vs 818 teams, still defensive VG items are good.

speed can do well incase you could avoid 818(really high chance)+bombing of hiryuu.

evasion works every case and quite a lot chance(near 30 in offense imo) you can survive after full hit.(If you think about just changing direction while bombing, you would understand)

So infact it wasn't opposite opinion from bluerender but battlecruiser

RNG is so huge and evasion can make a difference

[golden fable]

My gift to you, washington

[crude mortar]

[candid sluice]

I smell free points

[haughty flare]

lol

[radiant brook]

Why does meme fleets don't exist in avrora

[trail temple]

Because avrora too try-hard

[next garden]

Uh what’s the best team I can scrap together? Just who to throw on my team for now.

[elder crane]

Just take your highest level stuff pretty much

10 levels on a good ship >> teambuilding with how AL mechanics work

[next garden]

Oh.

[light crystal]

Portland, Helena, Suzu, Monarch, Kii and Shinano. Put some decent equips and call it a day.

[next garden]

Monarch and Kii? Wouldn't running just one barrage ship + hiryuu be better?

or does the level make up for off flag barrage/hiryuu's skill

[thin cosmos]

level is just everything 4 120 ships can win 6 110ships

[elder crane]

Not really such thing as off flag in PvP
Fixed barrages aim directly opposite and enemy team will have a ship directly opposite

[next garden]

oh.

[light crystal]

I personally would not use Hiryuu without Nagato. And if you want to use Hiryuu and Shinano at the same time, you need to use a third CV to go all in on CV. Wut I advised to use is wut I would use if I had your current roster, bar if I needed some other girls for PvE stuff as well

[candid sluice]

What equips are u guys prioritizing to +13?

[next garden]

Ok, thanks for the help

[thin cosmos]

me guns

[elder crane]

I'm going for the long game and therefore auxs, Azuma gun, and sexbofors

[candid sluice]

You skipping planes?

[elder crane]

Waiting on Wyvern and to see if helldiver or suiseis are better

[light crystal]

Me too, doing the same: Azumagun, Rudder/Kicks, and Sexbofors (Plan to +13 at least 2).

As for planes, I think the endgame meta will be the following: VF17/XSB3C/Wyvern (for Hiryuu), and Hornet/XSB3C/Wyvern (for Shinano), all 6 planes +13 (Which will cost 1200 gold plane BP's).

[hot creek]

needs more wyverns

[candid sluice]

Double Wyvern shinano

[light crystal]

🤔

Hornet would help with interception tho

[candid sluice]

Wyvern can also intercept

[light crystal]

🤔

[thin cosmos]

the main reason for it's OPness is intercept

[light crystal]

Hah, nah. It's part of the package. 4x torps with higher alpha than Cuda, high crash damage and HP, and 20 extra AVI for good measure. Being good at AA is icing on the cake, a THICC cake.

[mossy atlas]

for real?

they can intercept?

[candid sluice]

Is it the torps with highest alpha?

Torp bomber wise

[light crystal]

Nope.

[candid sluice]

Ahh just barely

[light crystal]

I don't think a whole 2 damage lower matters when you got an extra torp anyway, on top of 20 extra AVI

[upper cove]

and especially the crash damage and the ability to intercept xd

[candid sluice]

Of course lol

[mossy atlas]

kinda wish skypirate can be able to intercept too now lol

[rich escarp]

wonder when we're getting actual kamikaze planes...

[light crystal]

I mean, we already have that? Wut do u think "Crash damage" is

[candid sluice]

I think they meant a plane that’s dedicated to crash dmg

Massive hp pool but no bombs

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[sour oasis]

I mean, we already have that? Wut do u think "Crash damage" is

"Couldn't intercept, dropped all my bombs, guess it's time to fly back reap the wind."

[leaden solar]

free +12

[thin cosmos]

how do you guys think about making a lot of 120 ships just for fleet stats buff?

It seems it work at pvp also cause I saw my power incresed by that.

If so, it would be quite huge gap.

[late heath]

Little bonuses add up over time so it could be good yea

I constantly leveling my ships too so that should be pretty much normal for me

Sitting on 24 120s rn, should have 5 more soon

[thin cosmos]

it just give 1 or 2boost but I found it lead to 10 aviation+10reload buff gap between 44 more 120ships

[late heath]

Some ships also give accuracy bonus at 120

Which is really good

[thin cosmos]

yes

But I found this too late...

cause I made beatiful ships as 120 like "young" series which don't give any buff

So now I'm quite delayed than other same duration players

the guy had 41 aviation, 28 reload, 9hit buffs for his CV

he has 174 120 ships

[candid sluice]

I thought fleet tech isn’t counted in pvp

[thin cosmos]

are you sure?

[candid sluice]

Pretty sure they don’t

[thin cosmos]

hmm where can I find such information?

[storm jewel]

wait fleet tech doesnt work in pvp

[thin cosmos]

thx a lot

now I found about that notice

[candid sluice]

Fleet tech not applied

[sour oasis]

We had an experiment here. Unless the latest patch changed things, fleet tech was never applied. Except in the case it boosted opponent's displayed fleet power numbers (that's been fixed now; opponent's fleet power shows their pre-tech numbers).

[thin cosmos]

thx for your detailed information to both York Bruh, Mr.F

[thin cosmos]

So this means displayed fleet power is different for own player and opponents although it do same in battle?

[thin cosmos]

I found these

first picture is seen by himself, second picture is seen by me

stats for first picture should be higher if it ignore fleet buff but it's lower. So I wonder what's going on here

Also I totally can't understand why back line is exactly same stats while front line isn't

[candid sluice]

Are u guys using beacon avgas on all your CVs or running something else?

[thin cosmos]

I do but there would be some other settings like mic.

[light crystal]

Beacon/JetFuel. Why run anything else? Before I ran Beacon/Rudder(Or Beaver) to tank BB's, but that's no longer needed, so might as well focus on offensive instead.

[candid sluice]

Right right

[leaden solar]

with hidden CV I think it's best to use beacon and gasoline. before i use washing machine just for warkai

[elder crane]

I prefer Avgas mic at least on Shinano
mic means you hit vanguard harder

@late heath @thin cosmos
For like three days after fleet tech was added, there was a bug where your fleet tech applied to enemy defense team but not yours
But yeah rn while your team and ship page shows fleet tech stats, it's not actually applied in battle

[uncut agate]

will I get bonus point if I attack rank 1? the difference is exactly 35

[sacred heath]

should

[uncut agate]

I did get 1 bonus, thanks

[kindred frigate]

Im scared

[sacred heath]

ezclap

[candid sluice]

Free win

[kindred frigate]

But I'm also full KMS

sweating

[sacred heath]

[proper sorrel]

why would you handicap yourself on offense

[elder crane]

Cause WAIFU/xp

[proper sorrel]

well that, but

[crude jetty]

Is it worth running sg radar on helena?.. what is generally a good setup for her?

[candid sluice]

SG on Helena is more for timing purposes, if you can take advantage of the shorter proc time why not

[crude mortar]

[sacred heath]

sg on helena generally requires using a 457 with boomer radar to get the timing even close to synced

[elder crane]

If we're talking PvP then pretty much always SG

she'll die before desync happens, and you don't want to risk her dying before she pops buff

[abstract cypress]

anyone tried peter in pvp?

i felt like shes juneau tier

[light crystal]

🤔

Probably not too good tbh, cuz Timestop is too RNG. Could try it for Def and let RNG potentially fuck up some attackers here and there

[candid sluice]

How noticeable is that 8% or however much that skill gives passive slow?

[thin cosmos]

I wonder is decrease speed stats or speed it self

anyway theoretically, it can't good as shinano hiryu in attack.

[candid sluice]

I’m pretty sure it slows speed itself

[thin cosmos]

my peter is 110 now so soon I can test her

but the problem is Korean server has no KMS TB so Graf would be weaker so all combo would be weaker

[candid sluice]

Your servers don’t have opsi yet?

[thin cosmos]

yes. I really can't understand why

they always take update as the slowest

[coarse hearth]

Wow
Dont worry, atleast you could learn from our mistake

[elder crane]

I suppose you could try to Hiryuu-Shinano-Strasser RNG it with Ryuuseis?

Stasser wording on the 8% btw is same as all the other slows, who only reduce movement speed

Her stop btw has a roughly 6% chance to line with with Ryuuseis, so ehh

idk about that lol
even just standard mirror has better chances than that, so she'd need to have a few % to take wins even if it doesn't proc

[trail temple]

If I am looking at damage potential during air strikes, would I be better off getting my gold helldiver to +13 asap or bring up both my hornet and hell diver at the same (I have enough to do +11 on both or +12 on the helldiver currently)?

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

Helldiver will be much more dmg
it's a % increase on the base bomb dmg and Helldiver has more bomb dmg to begin with

[candid sluice]

It’s a percent increase? I thought it was adding more dmg

Unless I’m missing something or there are hidden % increases that aren’t shown in upgrade screen

[sacred heath]

open up the cannon and bomb tabs; it will show you the increase.

[candid sluice]

It’s just a flat dmg increase tho not higher %

[gritty cove]

I didn't know it shows the dmg increase

fok

How fast does the F8F launch compared to the pirate squad

[candid sluice]

Is that bearcat

[gritty cove]

ya

[candid sluice]

Bearcat is 9.64 launch time while pirate is 10.20

But bearcat is a bad plane compared to other options

[gritty cove]

Isn't there also takeoff speed

Or do I just remember something wrong

[thin cosmos]

well the ratio per each upgrade isn't same for gun and plane

It's 4,7,7% like so better focus on 1tem, since it give 18% while 3 11 give only 12%

however you should remember true item power doesn't increase 18% cause it lack barrage, burn,end of screen

[elder crane]

burn actually scales with hidden coeff so it does increase

but yeah afaik suicide dmg remains the same, so

[elder crane]

the base value increases are approximately percent increases

that is more dmg = more increase roughly proportionally afaik

[candid sluice]

Ohhh icic

[elder crane]

given the only thing that increases afaik is bomb dmg, then it's strictly better to upgrade helldiver rather than upgrading fighters since more bomb dmg

if you're using the new comet though that's no longer true

when your DB does less dmg than your fighter but loads faster

[light crystal]

Wait a minute, surface damage aside, why is Wyvern's AA kinda bad? Thought it was much better than that

Yeah, I think the wiki messed up when putting the proper AA values on that table

[elder crane]

It's basically same shit as Firebrand/Firecrest

[light crystal]

Exactly, 4x 20mm T0, so should be the same as those two. I guess someone did a small mistake when putting data into the table.

[trail temple]

Would you say it's roughly 2-3 seconds from an air strike commencing before it hits the backline?

[candid sluice]

Feels like 4 to me

With or without avgas?

[trail temple]

with avgas yeah, soz

[candid sluice]

Yeah feels like a bit over 3 secs to me

Can’t confirm it right now tho

[elder crane]

Pretty sure it's more

Even with Avgas if Enty strikes and procs Hiryuu return counter, lucky E (8s duration) wears off before the return strike hits

[candid sluice]

Really? I’ve never seen that

[elder crane]

was pretty common thing back in the day when ppl actually used Enty and she could actually proc final counter

now it's just
no one uses her
and even if they do, Enty dies before final counter anyways

[unkempt sparrow]

Is this correct gear for torp demon fleet ?

[elder crane]

no third black oxy?

[unkempt sparrow]

No

[candid sluice]

[unkempt sparrow]

Anything about my gears ?

[elder crane]

AA guns are somewhat scuffed but I assume nothing you can do about that?

and main guns too

[midnight heron]

shells can split now guys lmao what is this
https://youtu.be/X1GicycbCdA

[sacred heath]

lmao wat

[elder crane]

Yes the AL targeting system gets more pepega by the month

[sour oasis]

I.. what... Why? Is this a bug or a feature?

[upper cove]

oh that's always been like that lol

haven't seen it happen for main guns in pvp tho, so I guess they added a little extra 🍝 in targetting for pvp

[candid sluice]

Wtf hahahaha why did that split

I’ve never seen that happen before

[light crystal]

Neither have I ine ither PvE or PvP. It seems like a detriment in general tho lol

[trail temple]

I have gotten that quite infrequently

Both pve and pvp

Originally I thought it might be a misfire until I looked properly

[elder crane]

Meh I consider it mostly a positive
Less RNG gud
More fires gud

[proper sorrel]

sara with mic avigas is doing a lot better than i expected

ignore my shitty fleet, im just fascinated how well saratoga performs against enemy vanguards

or maybe its actually richelieu or both

[light crystal]

There seems to be this weird thing in the background on the PvP screen UI. Like a blue flame surrounded by some lines? Has it always been a thing and I'm slow to notice it, or is it new?

[proper sorrel]

i think that's new

[sacred heath]

they changed the results screen today

[proper sorrel]

im more used to the blue plated background

[sacred heath]

crappy comparison showing difference in PVE results screen

[proper sorrel]

wait

this is from august 2020

so i guess we're all blind

[sacred heath]

oh that

lol

[royal oyster]

if you see a top ranking player in the first 24 minutes of a season, you should probably press that refresh button

[light crystal]

So it was always like that, huh. Noted then

[proper sorrel]

yup

[light crystal]

Also, the Result screen. I dont like it now, too saturated now. Liked the sleek/transparent one before more

[proper sorrel]

subtle eye killer

[elder crane]

I'm telling ya guys, +30 hit is quite nice vs vanguards

[trail temple]

@elder crane So you're running mic + avgas on your cvs or mic + beacon?

[proper sorrel]

i prefer mic avigas

[trail temple]

Did someone say that hit affects the dispersion of an airstrike's bombardment? Or does it simply affect the hit rate when the bombs make contact with a ship? If the former, is there a mathematical logic behind it?

[elder crane]

no only the latter

but given player vanguards have well over 100 eva, it's a pretty significant average dmg boost

15% or more basically

[light crystal]

Nagato already boosts Hit anyway, no need to further min max it at the expense of not running either a Beacon or JetFuel, both which provide more bbenefits...

[thin cosmos]

I would say it's just preference.

[upper cove]

if you're already running fuel or beacon then the second slot is kinda preference ya

you either hit the enemy vg more consistently, or you hit the miss check with higher impact

choose your evil tbh

[thin cosmos]

btw I see some really odd result recenctly. I think the bug you said now also in here...

had to retreat 3times in a row in mirror even I could spot opponent stealth.

[elder crane]

meh esp on Shinano no point in beacon

her launch timing being earlier doesn't even matter

[crude mortar]

here we go

[light crystal]

I hope ur not on Washington

[upper cove]

he's not
and it's just a helldiver, hardly scary

[crude mortar]

from deleting 90% of their hp first 20s +15%

deleting 100% of their whole fleet at 20s

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/782543743672516608/tenor_klee.gif

[trail temple]

That does make sense. Thanks

[clear briar]

Anyone else seeing more non-IJN carriers?

[radiant brook]

No I don't, I'm still seeing IJN cancer all the time

[elder crane]

I'm seeing more which is nice cause no final counter means shorter fight
Also means I steamroll them even harder

[candid sluice]

I’ve been seeing all kinds of things on ladder, from your classic nanoryuu to uss memes to mutsuki

This guy is already using miryuu

[thin cosmos]

are there anyone can caculate probability graph of peter 2nd skill? If you set infinite time it should be about 6% but what we need is probability of near 20s.

And it's definitely not 6% if you think of 1s and 2s.

it's 10% and 9% if there's no starting cooldown.

I know how to solve this but it's too tricky without university level statistics.

I learned it and now totally forgot...

[candid sluice]

I’m not qualified to do that math

[elder crane]

Don't forget that you need the stop to last for the correct ~1.5 s to land ryuuseis

Overall it's like 6-7% ish
Which means I don't even wanna bother estimating it by code

[thin cosmos]

it's not code problem but math problem

And I don't have plan to use ryu, I will use cuda and helldiver

unlike formi, the chance you wouldn't get slow when you launch air srike is far more than you get slow

[elder crane]

the math is too annoying to do though

code is easier yet I still don't wanna bother
also 8% slow is pretty useless, it's like -1/2 a boiler for enemy which is ehh

[thin cosmos]

yes it's better make a code and simulate than solve the math. I agree with that. Just saying in principal. It seems strongly it can't be good as IJN but I just want to see it would have some chance like 15%

bombing doesn't need 3s after targeting, so we can mutiply chance for certain time with 2 or 3

[light crystal]

[sacred heath]

gimmie that rudder

[candid sluice]

That’s a phat azuma

[magic delta]

All level 1... like old collab ships but lvl 1

[elder crane]

Smh shitty flex, they should all be oathed

[radiant brook]

I think the devs really should do something about nugget fleets in pvp

[sacred heath]

But my nugget fleet works and I like it

[radiant brook]

That's the thing, they are too strong and has no hard counter

Unless you run an identical fleet with identical loadouts they are pretty much invincible

I feel like there should be a hard counter for nugget fleets like a PvP only item that disables faction buff for both sides

So we won't have to stare down 20 nugget fleets after running out of refreshes and have to reset scumming just for that 80 merit

[proper sorrel]

i haven't had any issues against hiryuu nagato shinano azuma juneau ykk fleets so idk about that

does the buff stay active after she dies?

[elder crane]

yes Nagato buff is perma