@light crystal just fought that team. Was fairly unremarkable 
#pvp
sacred heath
light crystal
It is as long as their torps dont hit jack shit. Theirs half HP'd my Hiryuu lol
The VG folds on first airstrike tho
magic crater
What are the best planes for pvp for each slot?
magic crater
Fighters: Sea Hornet > Reppuu = Shiden Kai 2?
Diver Bomber: Helldiver > Anything else? What about 831 Squadron, more than double crash dmg?
Torpedo Bomber: Barracuda. TBM Avenger for more dmg to BBs?
candid sluice
Between hiryuu enty and warkai who should take flag/wnt?
radiant brook
Either but not retrospite since you want her to take out the most dangerous target in the opposite team
candid sluice
Wardog can still snipe top ship in middle position tho
radiant brook
Honest question: how to make corgi snipe flag?
candid sluice
Can’t 
radiant brook
Ahh shit 
candid sluice
Wait... what’s the use of kashino in pvp? Am I just a massive forehead or is it just a meme 
elder crane
Honest question: how to make corgi snipe flag?
Wait until stealth releases then face a fleet with at least one CV in corner and a BB in flag
storm jewel
Fighters: Sea Hornet > Reppuu = Shiden Kai 2?
Diver Bomber: Helldiver > Anything...
no tbm, its damage bonus is not significant to compensate low crash. Other option would be occasionally ryuusei
candid sluice
How long does it take on average for a CV to launch an airstrike? Both with and without beacon
trail temple
Depending on the loadout, and the ship, I would say between 19 and 23 seconds
storm jewel
@candid sluice https://thebombzen.com/azur-lane/airstrike-reload.html
elder crane
Given no fleet tech in PvP, it's very tough to get sub 20 without taking shitty planes
midnight heron
k finally fought this yukice guy and his fleet sus af
how tf is he doing torpmemes dat dont get deleted by double airstrikes
im running full offense carriers btw aka beacon + fuel
and yet his backline presumably runs rudders and can wreck my vg
even tried using wnt and it doesnt make a diff
im calling bs
elder crane
Beacon+fuel, ehhhh
If not Nagato-IJN then yeah that doesn't really kill vanguard well
Also if no Azuma
midnight heron
im doing jun azuma noshi
elder crane
It's Nagato buff and Azuma that really punishes torps
elder crane
I'm personally running rudder+mic rn on mine
storm jewel
lol his Torp meme is lit lol, only torp meme is good so far i see
storm jewel
and its not torpmeme
?
midnight heron
hes doing classic torpmeme aka jint naga noshi
then backline is the same namano or w/e u wanna call it
elder crane
Nagato Shinano Hiryuu or Amagi?
midnight heron
former
elder crane
Ah probably 818 Hiryuu setup then
Yeah that puts a timer on your vanguard if 818 lands
storm jewel
?
midnight heron
my yukice is lvl 131 tho
storm jewel
this is like weeks ago
midnight heron
yea he changed his setup
storm jewel
sandy
midnight heron
its now shinano replacing amagi
elder crane
818 Hiryuu in Nagato-Shinano-Hiryuu is pretty much the best defense setup rn
818 landing will murder your vanguard
And you can't even really mirror it since landing 818 is really RNG
midnight heron
then dats just pure bs
so wat am i supposed to do
cant mirror
his vg deals huge dmg yet doesnt die on 1st round of airstrikes
its literally rng whether i win or not
and its <50%
storm jewel
yeah i can feel you lol
elder crane
Nagato-Shinano-Hiryuu in return with Jun Ykkz Azuma, WNT and DCP, works something like 90% of the time
Standardish loadout instead
midnight heron
my jun always has dcp
midnight heron
so noshi is useless?
storm jewel
~~he nuke my noshiro 
~~
midnight heron
its against torpmemes tho so idg y yuki is higher on priority
elder crane
Noshiro isn't that good anymore yeah
Unless you're torpmemes
midnight heron
once i get hit by 818 im dead either way
elder crane
Nah actually
midnight heron
i would rather ensure my jun has longer uptime
storm jewel
i fought couple time, and there 2 two time and yukikaze just got smoked 2 sec into the fight
elder crane
Oh no you defs don't want that
Juns needs to be DCP popped by Nagato 1st barrage or airstrike
Otherwise she'll outlive the rest lol
midnight heron
even with noshi around theres a high chance she gets popped within 5s into the fight
so she dies in 13s
rarely does she outlive tbh
elder crane
Dammit only one I can find on avrora currently is unoathed
Maybe I should run it myself and show how it's done smh
elder crane
The main annoyance is that it's not very good on offense
I suppose I could run Nagato Amagi Shinano instead for a while
storm jewel
sometime its just same comp, but the player is different and it matters 
proplier
midnight heron
they shud rly just let us inspect opponent gear just saying
elder crane
Anyways for torpmemes in particular you can try Richi against it
If Richi hits, she just pops those lil shits
midnight heron
idk man i dont like swapping nagameme out
wats more weird actually is even if naga procs
those lil shits dont get wiped
i know i know same complaint as months ago but it keeps happening against certain torpmemes
storm jewel
player level reduce the damage they take just saying
midnight heron
and then they STILL can survive the double airstrikes some times
its y i say its sus af
nothing adds up
not the entire vg but there will be 1 or 2 left
u cant just hav high dmg and high tankiness at the same time
elder crane
http://imgur.com/a/OoxymZj
My setup originally
midnight heron
how effective are the mics actually tho
midnight heron
and dat weird ass gun on jun
elder crane
Technically it's the best gun on her
An extreme waste, but shhh
light crystal
I just use 138mm on Juneau and Azuma 
elder crane
Azuma you really want 114 mm on though in current meta
For the AA + better practical DpS vs vanguard
If she makes it to enemy main fleet you've already won, whatever her aux gun is, pretty much
light crystal
🤔
teal basalt
ive been using this team for a while to good success
anyone have suggestions for different ships?
enty i kinda want to replace she hasn't done that much compared to the rest but no idea who to replace her with
elder crane
Hiryuu or Amagi or Shinano is always good
Since it's warkai setup, maybe for now you can take a Howe or Monarch to decent effect
Or JB to take more advantage of Richi buff and really try to kill vanguard
Of the BB options though with op siren release and the new CV stealth mechanic, I think JB probably by far the best
but you're probably better off partially pivoting to CV still and replace warkai
teal basalt
i really like warspite since her and richeliu can destroy enty and such before they become a threat
elder crane
Yeah that's not possible with stealth mechanic, which is probably coming next patch
CV start in stealth, which makes them untargetable, and gives effectively a ~30% dmg boost if it's still active when they launch
you can spot them with your own planes or by killing their vanguard before yours dies
teal basalt
damn they keep buffing carriers, battleship buff when
elder crane
hey 2-3 BB has been meta since game release basically
with a short interlude for Akagi+Kaga after amagi released but before lv 110 uncap
this is the first time it looks like we'll have a fairly long-term CV-dominated meta for PvP
frail orbit
Hate WNT smh
No reason to get another copy of 457
When u could just fck it with 2CV
elder crane
idk while 1 min+ fights is a bit annoying, very small price to pay to have torpteams go back into the hole they crawled out of smh
frail orbit
Koz crash dmg saikou
But ye
At least derp ass torpmeme just got outfarted nowadays
radiant brook
Is nugget fleets still cancer to fight against? Like nanoryuu/nakaga
candid sluice
Always has been
candid sluice
With attacker advantage you should still be able to win consistently
Tho with new stealth mechanic hiryuu will be even more 
to go against since warkai can’t pick her off
radiant brook
I mean, nanoryuu with the typical torpmeme vanguard requires good rng to just not die
candid sluice
Use wnt if you struggle against torpmeme
radiant brook
Isn't that like final counter but 8s and auto sinks once timer runs out?
radiant brook
Oh I must be mistook it for something different
trail temple
DCP is USS only equip and does what you described
candid sluice
And with dcm jun can eat the torps and live
trail temple
Torp meme is really not much of an issue, 99.9% of the time
radiant brook
Mag torp though
If your vanguards dodge it, the backlines will eat the torps
radiant brook
How can I make a fleet from these to make a nanoryuu hard counter?
trail temple
Get a Juneau and level her is probably your first objective
radiant brook
Where can I get her?
trail temple
If you're a 7-2 gold runner, you'll get her there
radiant brook
Ouch
trail temple
Otherwise there's a chapter 5 node that drops her
She drops pretty frequently in 7-2
elder crane
How can I make a fleet from these to make a nanoryuu hard counter?
The reason why it's good is that there is no hard counter
radiant brook
mint hornet
she's in a bunch of stages, dunno where you're at rn though
radiant brook
Can't wait to refresh and see 4x nanoryuu 5/5 times
elder crane
more or less your first priority will be trying to do something where you can RNG a win somehow
radiant brook
I'm at 10-4 but those specific stages aren't Safe yet
elder crane
I mean with those lv 120s anything not ch13 should be a steamroll
wait nvm I misread
candid sluice
Your level disadvantage is probably what’s causing you to struggle
elder crane
you should still be able to clear ch 10 easily and ch 11 with a not-weird team setup
yeah, that's the thing with what you have right now
aiming to beat lv120 Nanoryuu is not your first priority right now
candid sluice
Get your backline to 120 you’ll see improvements
Otherwise you’re gonna struggle against everything
elder crane
you should aim to get stuff to lv110+ and be able to farm ch 11 or ch 12
those will be the best maps to farm for XP
then use that to level what you need
which sadly is going to be tough for you until we get some more events/event reruns
Shinano+Hiryuu+torpteam is probably your best bet for a team that can somehow RNG a win vs anything, with what you have
radiant brook
Time to stop 1200 fuel comm and rush chapters I guess
Will come back here once I got my shit together
By the meantime I'll just put a meme defense and let others have an easy win
elder crane
in any case meta will possibly see some very large shifts soon, so planning that far in the future is probably not useful
wait on leveling ships for specifically PvP after op siren releases soon (tm) and the meta settles down with stealth mode
or maybe take advantage of the uncertainty by running more CVs, which is defs what seems like stealth should favor
candid sluice
Yeah I would wait before making any major commitments (except maybe shinano)
radiant brook
It will be around 2 weeks before I reach 12-4 anyways
I also need 12-4 to level up other pve ships too
elder crane
yeah, so come back then to see what's being used before you commit to leveling them
the stuff that's good for PvE anyways ofc you can level now
sour oasis
Yeah I would wait before making any major commitments (except maybe shinano)
Yukikaze and Juneau probably remain useful forever.
candid sluice
Yeah I was mainly referring to backline ships
light crystal
Ez
novel drift
gratz
sacred heath
candid sluice
Congrats 
deep glacier
dapper island
When's the best time to attack, I'm not trying to be #1 just get the most possible merit I can, any tips are welcome. Thanks 
storm jewel
When's the best time to attack, I'm not trying to be #1 just get the most possi...
tldr: attack the left most guy down to 5/10 before every reset till friday of second week and u have enough point to get aotn
royal oyster
the most important thing in pvp is to not let your attempts overcap, don't lose, and don't just do all of them right after a reset
granite flame
empty owl
Um sorry to interrupt but does anyone have CV equipment advice?
storm jewel
there are plenty of good advices in #gameplay-help , but i would say that god tier item on perseus if not a waste, maybe 2 more catapult for dps or just slap toolbox/rudder messer and shiet torp plane if she steals your mvp so much
storm jewel
what do you plan for it ?
empty owl
For her to spot for warspite and monarch
storm jewel
good one
empty owl
I will switch her in when needed but she’s already good
elder crane
Well if you don't want warkai+Monarch to be completely irrelevant, percy it is, pretty much
Even if that's still pretty bad
shy hazel
proper sorrel
wb
royal oyster
we'll all find out tomorrow or the day after when the servers come back up
elder crane
But can perseus *spot* enemy cvs super early for monarch and ws?
Yes, being spotted is perma in PvP since the spotting bar apparently doesn't decay like it does in PvE
elder crane
for easy sniping?
...define "easy" lol
crude jetty
I typed it wrong .. meant ez 😄
elder crane
anyways the problem will be
in one corner is Hiryuu, who stalls for time with final counter, or will murder you with it if you don't focus her
in the other corner is Shinano, who stalls by sheer bulk, or will murder you if you don't focus her
pick your poison 
not like warkai setup wins vanguard fight particularly well either
storm jewel
just bring that percy comp and fight w a meta fleet now, if that comp cant fight now it wouldnt make much difference tmr
elder crane
Sadly, she doesn't actually do that much
midnight heron
game totally balanced 
empty owl
Well if you don't want warkai+Monarch to be completely irrelevant, percy it is, ...
@elder crane um what do you mean by this?
sorry
sacred heath
fingers crossed 🤞
light crystal
Yes, being spotted is perma in PvP since the spotting bar apparently doesn't dec...
Interesting
So basically the strat if u want to use BB's only is: Use Barrage heavy BB's, hope to snipe VG asap, so ur VG can spot the CV's on enemy side and u can begin working on them...
candid sluice
Delete vanguards asap
elder crane
<@430396894993186816> um what do you mean by this?
With the patch coming tonight, if they keep it from the latest test version, CV in PvP will benefit from the new stealth mechanic
This means they start untargetable, so Warkai won't work against them (and BB in general will not aim at them at all)
To spot them, you need planes or ships to be within a certain distance, with ships instaspotting but planes needing a few to fully spot
The only way you can spot enemy CV before warkai first barrage is by using the preloaded strikes on Perseus
sacred heath
i guess that means nagato is getting the warkai snipe?
probably gonna pull off that pennant, then, at least against warkai
empty owl
@elder crane Ah ok but that is what I’m doing
radiant brook
So they are indirectly nerfing retrospite and buffing nugget
elder crane
Buffing Richi since you want her to shoot at vanguard in the first place
But yeah unless you have some sort of French preload setup, bringing your own planes is essential
The other part of it is the 10% air resist pen
sacred heath
🇫🇷 french 🇫🇷 meta 🇫🇷 time🇫🇷
elder crane
Which is ~30% more dmg
radiant brook
But how often do you see richy in pvp besides meme fleets?
Nugget and corgi are way more common
sacred heath
...for now
elder crane
It's actually a pretty good team that isn't quite there
Part of the problem being what richi aims at is RNG
light crystal
I used richy/jeanne, and it worked really well. Ot stopped after shinano came into the mix
elder crane
Anyways Richelieu and Akagi/Kaga (not in same team ofc) are the ones to keep an eye out for with next patch
sacred heath
ehhh idk if the fast airstrike is enough to dethrone shanaenae hiryuu
elder crane
If you can nuke their vanguard, it is
light crystal
Imma try juenau/reno/sandi i think
sacred heath
i can't remember the last time my vanguard got nuked by nakaga
radiant brook
Yeah idk if anything can dethrone nanoryuu with bel/juneau/azuma
elder crane
Yes and they're going to be doing much more dmg
sacred heath
i suppose we'll have to wait and see
i really don't want to raise my akaga though
elder crane
+30% ish from stealth then another +30% ish from +13
And then even more from possible new plane options
light crystal
I got akaga 120/200, but never used in pvp kek
elder crane
You're looking at 70% or more dmg over what they're currently capable of
light crystal
Getting wyvern and the plates to +13 shit will take a long time to get for ppl tho tbf
elder crane
Yeah so it might not appear immediately
You'll want to keep an eye on it though
light crystal
Fair enough
elder crane
If it does appear immediately that's a really bad sign since no +13 yet
Even if it's quite marginal
Since +13 maybe takes it over the margin
It'd be kinda interestingish if we get a return to a modified 2k18 meta though lol
Went full circle
sacred heath
we need a non-healer preload carrier 
elder crane
Look I'll take 4/6 pls
Akaga has been irrelevant for almost two years now
Or, well actually two years if you are from CN/JP servers
candid sluice
If akaga resurfaces then wouldn’t belfast still come in and stop them?
light crystal
sacred heath
not if you can just use your own, better akaga
light crystal
candid sluice
Guess it’s just an arms race at that point to see who can max their equips fastest
I really don’t want to raise akaga
sacred heath
rip
candid sluice
Feelsbad
teal basalt
oh hey now that I think about it, with the new mechanic around carriers and wanting to beat the vanguard quickly would that make odin a lot more useful? since she's closer to the front and can help the vanguard more than most other back row ships
hollow spindle
candid sluice
Does avgas affect planes sent out by skills? Like hiryuu shangrila and shinano?
mossy atlas
it should
knotty raft
what are the most points you gain from a single pvp fight
light crystal
The highest I've gotten is 35 several times 
mossy atlas
thats a bit variable cuz you get less as you rank up
keen obsidian
Fuk I lost twice....entered with bigger fleet number and looked away
royal oyster
there's a cap on how many points you can get, like double the base amount or something. only happens if you drop a lot of fights
elder crane
If akaga resurfaces then wouldn’t belfast still come in and stop them?
For all my hype about foxes in PvP post-patch I just realized something obvious
JdA just hard counters them lol
literally makes their strike do no dmg vs vanguard
candid sluice
Now that you mention it yeah lmao
JdA and Eldridge memes making vanguard immune
Protecting the vanguard is going to be so important now
leaden solar
I guess I should use all my exercise just in case the game get full of bugs
rip sandbag
elder crane
if vanguard setup becomes JdA+Eld I will laugh my head off
or maybe you actually need to swap between those two
also JdA+Eld sounds like it just instantly dies to Richelieu cause no speed
candid sluice
Eldridge skill procs 20secs into a match so could be used to meme against CVs
Also should I drop to 0/10 before maint? I know it says only 8hrs but I don’t trust that
elder crane
If you're not gonna hard sandbag just drop to 0/10
If you run eld you're gonna need to protect her somehow or Azuma can turn her into food
candid sluice
Hm yea need to figure out vanguard comps that aren’t just tossing azuma noshiro jun ykk together
I don’t think I’m sandbagging this season, I actually want to rush and test out backline comps
royal oyster
legit you can push to 0 this reset and still get top spot end of season, due to it being the first day
late heath
Just run Suzu against Richelieu preload 
light crystal
Just run Suzu against Richelieu preload <:araheh:692147138515173390>
Hmm, you're also unto something here
How about... Juneau/Belfast/Suzutzuki? Counters both Akaga and Richelieu 
late heath
Yea but then Azuma peek at the vanguard and they basically die
I’m thinking more about running Juneau/Azuma/Belfast with Juneau lead
Haven’t had much trouble against Richelieu preload
Can always swap Azuma out for Saint Louis too who counter the preload really well cause good evasion
While still being able to tank/DPS
But that mean no 4 IJN ship bonus for Shinano
So I think Juneau/Belfast/Suzu could work well if you run 3 IJN back line, say, Nagato Shinano Hiryuu
I think we just need to do a lot of testing lol
See what works and what not
light crystal
Pick your poison: Getting annihilated by Akaga/Richy at the start of the battle basically, or getting whittled down by Azuma for 30s.
late heath
If we are going into a CV meta I’m thinking about running US fleet tbh
Shinano Essex Enterprise Juneau Helena Seattle/Sandy
light crystal
Helena. Eww.
late heath
I discovered how broken Seattle AA was the other day
Glad mine about to hit dev 30 lol
Seattle also have huge HP pool
Like 5.3k at 120 100
And 2X main gun
light crystal
If I was gonna go the USN route, I'd go Juneau/Reno/Sandi. But then Richy users would become a problem.
late heath
On top of high AA stat + 175% AA efficiency
Also take -15% dmg
While on the rear
On top of CL bonus in pvp
- Helena evasion buff
light crystal
Well, I still need to see just how devastating pre-loaded Richy with her barrage aiming at the VG will be. Depending on the actual level of threat she presents will dictate how much you have to try counter Richy users, specifically. Otherwise, your main worry would be Akaga, at that point.
late heath
Can probably drop Helena for Suzu if that’s the case
Who also have good AA
Boom, US fleet counter both Richelieu + foxes
Lol
Then you can probably kill Azuma in 1 air strike cause she’s not really good against it
While minimizing the damage you take from planes
radiant brook
So full AA in pvp is going to be viable?
late heath
Think it probably will be yea
radiant brook
late heath
Actually got guildies to put up an AA fleet the other day to test again and their Seattle literally popped no fly zone buff in the first air strike
light crystal
Sandi was definitely usable, at least on Attack, last year. Talking about 98% WR here for whole season straight.
radiant brook
How can you even fight your guild mate in pvp?
radiant brook
That's some biggus brainus strat right there
late heath
And he didn’t even run full US
Was Shinano Hiryuu Enterprise Seattle Juneau Yukikaze and was able to shot down aviation fuel Shinano + Hiryuu
Can’t shoot down planes in pvp is a myth
Think it’ll be even better with +13
And if we ended up having a CV meta
Whoever have better Enterprise rng win
radiant brook
What if, both sides are full CV and their vanguards died together?
late heath
Their CV will still discover one another with air strike
Also, Suzu doesn’t fully counter French fleet if you run swordfish Perseus JB Richelieu
Because JB shoot AFTER Richelieu
radiant brook
Will they launch though? Since they can't see each other
late heath
By the time smoke gone, you gonna get hit by JB
Yea they will
It’s like auto mode
They’ll auto launch it
radiant brook
Oh so there is a timer for concealment in pvp
radiant brook
Vanguards? Especially if the opposite team runs ykkz
serene saddle
So cv meta is coming soon?
Bcoz the detection meter prevent em from getting sniped by warkai early on?
storm jewel
was thinking the nuking vanguard strat to enable bb, but then manju exists so
cursive leaf
so for the first time i'm tracking my match scores and total scores, dunno why but i felt like putting extra effort in since i missed like 20 exercises last season.
comparing to the sandbagging reference though, i'm like a full 50 points off in comparison though.
and by off, i mean i have less points
keen obsidian
next to the match tracker you can also put the build tracker
candid sluice
was thinking the nuking vanguard strat to enable bb, but then manju exists so <:...
Jun can’t heal dead ships
late heath
Didn’t they screw up maintenance once before? Forgot which event it was lol
candid sluice
Micro Medley I think it was
uncut agate
Microlayer Medley
uncut agate
Same
light crystal
Specially when u can trade Merits for Guild Points or w/e now
sour oasis
Microlayer Medley
Wasn't there another one that was 10h? It was bad, but not terrible?
stable dawn
storm jewel
ay shinano and hiryuu barrrage revealed them quite fast
ancient skiff
yeah... akaga, hiryuu and shinano detects them quickly
wonder if BB barrages do too
sacred heath
so...business as usual?
ancient skiff
if you can detect them quickly, yeah
i wonder... if both vgs die out and one is triple cv (undetected) and the other is triple BB, will BB just stop firing?
sacred heath
poor nugget takes a pounding against triple BB fleets >_<
grim ember
I was wondering why my warspite wasn't targetting the top and bottom cvs...
coral wren
My WarKai is still getting mvp in exerciese
But she's one-shotting vanguards now if the enemy has a triple CV backline
elder crane
i wonder... if both vgs die out and one is triple cv (undetected) and the other ...
Yeaaaap
midnight heron
how do u 1 shot vg with ap 
crude mortar
laugh at warspite patch
elder crane
how do u 1 shot vg with ap <:Thinkpitz:470795614246928384>
*how do you 1-shot vanguard period
I expect some weird 3 CA shit
candid sluice
Maybe a slow from formi followed by a nuke from other CVs?
elder crane
No I mean with warkai
midnight heron
we talking about ws barrage hitting vg lul
dat shit doesnt even hurt normally on vg
candid sluice
Or it just misses entirely
light crystal
Do barrages spot a mainline?
I just fought a tirple BB comp with my double CV, and Hiryuu's meter kept increasing a bit
elder crane
barrages add to detection yes
crude mortar
yes?
elder crane
yes and yes
light crystal
I was under the impression barrages didn't add to the counter 🤔
Ok, fair enough then
So for those that want to use triple BB no matter wut, the strat is to use barrage heavy BB's and/or hope to kill enemy VG asap, then
crude mortar
perseus warspite
elder crane
Basically either french or (lol) Perseus
well 10 s stuff spots for normal BB stuff
crude mortar
elder crane
someone needs to make art of percy with a spyglass directing warspite
crude mortar
perseus detect then warspite shoot
light crystal
Was fighting an FDG that was facing my Hiryuu, so their unaimed barrage was hitting her depleting her bar, whereas Shinano's bar was untouched lol
elder crane
fires add ~1/3 to the bar when applied
not really impactful at all tbh
light crystal
So unaimed barrages that cause ignition is a possible strat for BB-only comps then?
elder crane
it's a nice WoWS reference though for dem dev fanbois
actually hmm 1 thing
Richi barrage is special fire, right?
light crystal
Richy is an aimed one, tho?
elder crane
does it stack with FdG barrage for +2/3 detection meter?
still doesn't really help, but it would be nice
Richi barrage is unaimed
elder crane
+2/3 detection is neither here nor there sadly
not really sure what that's supposed to be good for
I suppose FdG will spot 1 CV by 20 s in?
due to a new fire
if it hits and sets fire that is
sometimes the barrage doesn't set fire and then,
sacred heath
everyone playing opsi and no one rushing 😦
light crystal
Well, due to the guild thing, more ppl should start doing their peeveepees over time
Everything so new right now, so the new added incentives are not gonna kick in right away
kindred frigate
did they accidentally make Lucky E a 100% activation or something?
mossy atlas
is it normal for essex's extra TBD avengers to drop 4 torpedos
instead of 3 per plane
maybe im just seeing things
sacred heath
still makes me wonder about doing triple CV
mossy atlas
i think 1 bb 2 cv is better
gritty cove
My poor torp squad not homing in anymore at the start
mossy atlas
nvm it was always like that
rustic ridge
Any thoughts on graf? With introduction of new german cvs, will there be a chance of them+bisco to become a thing?
ancient skiff
It could be possible imo, we'll just have to see how the new IB CV goes
waxen reef
I'm guessing there'll be a massive update to the PVP tierlist?
Just noticed my foxes seem to be doing better than normal, but has hard counters it looks like
mossy atlas
i was kinda worried akaga would be very strong
but my essex and enty killed them
and then theres the 20% dmg taken reduction for attackers
proper sorrel
just use jda 
candid sluice
JdA and bel completely cuck akaga
mossy atlas
unfortunately i did not join azur lane when jda was available
radiant brook
Does a full AA fleet (cheshire/sandy/brem) counter Akaga? Slapping their planes down like how they slap your shit
sacred heath
light crystal
Best BB.
candid sluice
mossy atlas
i agree
candid sluice
Yeah I missed out on iris event as well
mossy atlas
so bb-like that she could very well just be a bb lol
radiant brook
So a 4 BB team is a thing now
Dunno if it's viable in pvp
mossy atlas
you can definitely kill the enemy frontline quick
candid sluice
Azumama is just a BB for the vanguard
somber axle
everyone playing opsi and no one rushing 😦
I can confirm. 
rustic ridge
I love new aux for june, reduces the chance of her dying too quick down to zero
safe zodiac
This is probably a really dumb question, but I've done 0 math regarding this, is hiryuu still better than hiryuu META in PvP?
snow snow
ofc
hiryuu meta doesn't have final counter
nor does she have shinano levels of tankiness
as for dmg, she loses to a buffed hiryuu (nagato and shinano)
naive dome
does she receive buff from nagato ?
candid sluice
No she’s not sakura
cursive leaf
If I have both hiryuu kai and shinano, which should I use for tanking War Kai?
snow snow
imo, shinano
both can tank it but if you have shinano do it, hiryuu gets to save final counter
grim ember
Wow my BBs just gave up lmao
naive dome
can barrage like nagato's or amagi's hit unspotted CVL ?
ancient skiff
Wow that confirmed my speculations that BB will just not shoot anymore
cursive leaf
both can tank it but if you have shinano do it, hiryuu gets to save final counte...
Ahh I see. I was more thinking that I would use either hiryuu kai or shinano not both. Since I have Nagato and WarKai. But would taking out WarKai and just using Nagato, Shinano, Hiryuu Kai be a better comp?
ancient skiff
yes they can hit undetected CVs
ancient skiff
Rip Warkai
12-22-2020
cursive leaf
Oof
I've noticed that since off flags are usually CVs, WarKai will just snipe the flagship which is usually a BB. Makes Richelieu kinda easier to deal with.
I hate that ship so much for setting everything on fire.
late heath
Inb4 Richelieu JB comp and end up sniping JB
safe zodiac
What auxes are you guys putting on shinano/hiryuu?
candid sluice
Before update rudder beacon but now trying to replace rudder with gas
late heath
I’m using rudder beacon on Shinano, aviation fuel rudder on Hiryuu
Sync up with Hiryuu so her fighter can bait AA
radiant brook
Rip retrospite
Long live the overpowered nugget that will never be nerfed
The CV conceal + her CV buff just screams overpowered
Nanoryuu is already cancer to fight even without conceal
rustic ridge
well, amagi is out of meta as well i assume in that regard 🤡
candid sluice
Nuggets kinda discarded for shinano now to buff ijn CVs
safe zodiac
I thought you're supposed to run both?
sacred heath
abstract cove
Hmmm
I was trying out some PvP fleets for experimenting stuff and it seems like the new CV detection mechanic opens up some very interesting combos
Tried a triple CV backline to see what would happen to Warspite's ability and turns out it will target the vanguard instead of your backline ships
So that basically means that enemy battleships cannot target your backline with their shots, only their barrages hit
So that brings about the question, if you have a fleet that basically demolishes the enemy vanguard and the opponent has no CVs, you auto win?
Just like @light crystal's picture, if your opponent had that lineup and you destroyed the enemy vanguard first, do you basically just win?
Because if your vanguard dies to the triple BB backline, but your CVs aren't detected, that theoretically means the opposing BBs do not have a target to shoot at, so they are just sitting ducks?
late heath
Basically yea
light crystal
Basically, if you want to triple BB, your only way out is DPS the enemy VG ASAP, or you're fucked. One way is through torp meme. But we have WNT and Manjuu Juneau as a reliable counter against that. So yeah.
abstract cove
That doesn't work as well as you hope it does
Because even if you get discovered, by then it's already too late
Your vanguard is already dead
Especially if you use something like Twin Fox + Aurora and 2 other anti-vanguard ships
The first strike from the twin foxes will heavily damage, if not outright eradicate the vanguard, then your two other vanguard ships like Azuma or whoever can mop up the remainder
late heath
Just use Jeanne/Belfast against foxes 
abstract cove
Then the next CV launch will directly target the backline, meaning the enemy backline is f*cked
I've been using that combo in PvP, and it works rather well
Azuma/Aurora/Noshiro + Enty/Foxes
Even if you get discovered, it's already too late for the enemy backline
abstract cypress
ijn bs exist
candid sluice
The main goal with this new mechanic is definitely to evaporate enemy vg asap
JdA seems like a really solid vanguard ship atm with her invincibility shields and whatnot
coral wren
So now that cvs are basically the meta, what would the new best vanguard be?
mossy atlas
whoever has high AA or base HP if you want them to survive
so lets say seattle sandy azumom
storm jewel
that vanguard is juicy to torp
light crystal
Thats y I think Juneau with Manjuu and WNT is still good choice
U wanna cover ur bases against possible torp users
Besides, Juneau has good AA too
storm jewel
but i feel like juneau will be alone if other 2 get nuked and she a bit useless as no one to heal for
light crystal
Compromises need to be made
coral wren
So not aurora Belfast or Jda?
radiant brook
@candid sluice nugget barrage can reveal CV early though
light crystal
I mean, whether or not u can find some opportunities to reveal relatively quickly doesn't matter much tbh
Using all-out BB still puts you at a clear disadvantage. The most reliable BB as well, WK, is out of commission, as the all important first snipe cannot be executed reliably unless you use Perseus, and that brings other issues
candid sluice
^^
Unless their flag is a bb and u wanna snipe it
And persy isn’t worth bringing just for that initial snipe imo
light crystal
I was already running Nagato with WNT/Rudder, giving her plenty of EVA. Together with Juneau's heal, she's relatively surviveable. Besides, her main role is there to buff the double IJN CV's, and even if she dies, buff persists. And while WK is busy wasting time on the ship that's not there as the main source of DPS, the CV's will farm WK back.
Anyway, WK had her run. When was retro released? Feb 2019? I'd say almost 2 years of being the go-to staple in PvP was longer than any other ship has had, save for Juneau of course. She leaves behind a good legacy. In the meantime, she's a solid BB for PvE still, so she's not totally useless
candid sluice
I give my thanks to warkai for carrying me through four seasons
storm jewel
warkai got me first aotn
candid sluice
Same
storm jewel
interesting
rustic ridge
ye, manju june is insane
empty owl
Um how is this setup?
candid sluice
Could probably replace the AA for a hit gun
thin cosmos
hello guys I'm new here
candid sluice
empty owl
Um what guns are hit guns @candid sluice
thin cosmos
I'm playing korean server and waiting update. I really waiting it. I like PVP a lot. I hope I can find good discussion mates
candid sluice
Um what guns are hit guns <@!268021815316578304>
The AA guns that give hit stat aka Hazemeyer and STAAG
thin cosmos
Can anybody say how is the meta going?
candid sluice
So like this
I would keep barracuda but yea something like that (catapult could also be replaced)
candid sluice
Can anybody say how is the meta going?
I haven’t played around with it much but BBs are falling off and CVs are coming in
thin cosmos
What I concern about is if I make fleet with 2CV or 3CV, vanguard can survive till the 2nd air raid vs 3BB? most of damages would go vanguard. If it's not possible 2nd CV attack might can't kill all enemy vanguard
next olive
nagato, shinano and hiryuu retro is the meta
radiant brook
Always has been, even without conceal
CV buff + conceal-breaking barrage just made her even more powerful
Just fucking nerf nugget in pvp already
thin cosmos
well I wonder conceal is really buff for nagato, shinano and hiryuu. nagato would be attacked main and would die quite fast. 3heals from vanguard can't be used for 2 CV cause they are concealed
shinano is very tough ship and this patch makes her hard to use it
what I can say for now is vanguard is key for now and old set isn't fit for that
old meta is designed for support main fleet not vanguard
eldritch can be a choice as I think.
thin cosmos
Do you really think so it's because of shinano?
She is very strong but not that strong compare to other UR specially vs FDG or Azuma
problem is rather IJN has definitly much more ships than other faction with nagato buff
safe zodiac
What is Manjuu Juneau?
thin cosmos
maybe elite repair kit juneau
river crest
does CV got buff in exercise or just a UI update?
thin cosmos
CV got buff in exercise
river crest
ic.. watching this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfl8XMioy8Y
thin cosmos
I already saw it
river crest
cool stuff.. they make it more historically accurate and balance the game better at the same time
late heath
We finally moving from BB meta to CV
mossy atlas
would you guys think gold helldiver and XTB2D would work on essex
i would sacrifice some good seconds but the armaments for both are just too good to avoid
may/may not matter since my seattle in the frontline can easily tank enemy airstrikes
mossy atlas
well it's definitely going to be a very long time before i get wyvern lol
so far right now it's a speed load or obliteration optimization
elder crane
Only 206 crash 🚮
mossy atlas
she can proc that AVI buff
mossy atlas
yeah i know
elder crane
Anyways shooting down more than a few planes is a pipe dream if enemy runs avgas
Which imo pretty much every CV should run post stealth
light crystal
avgas? The fuck is that
mossy atlas
100/150 aviation gasoline oil
elder crane
We're talking planes with near 4 k HP, glhf
light crystal
still have rudder on shinano btw kek
light crystal
rudder shin, beaver bunny
elder crane
Vs BB team right now is hilarious
light crystal
beacon on both
elder crane
My Shinano gets no heal from Juneau lol
Naw gotta get that hit stat
Make sure their vanguard dies
I'm currently using mic+avgas
Maybe with +13 beacon will be better tho
light crystal
so JetFuel/Beacon might be better?
mossy atlas
arent purples limited to +11
elder crane
No I mean +13 planes
mossy atlas
oh
elder crane
Rn dmg breakpoints means I think nonbeacon works better
light crystal
U said +13 beacon tho
elder crane
But +13 will shift dmg breakpoints
With +13, beacons will be better
Stupid phone keyboard smh
light crystal
u didnt even put a comma
mossy atlas
i never even noticed that lol
light crystal
Get new phone then
elder crane
Naw it's just KB is tiny ass shit on phone
light crystal
Use pinky then
light crystal
elder crane
It's accuracy issues on the size
It's not like phys kb where issue would be cross-key or whatnot with fat fingers
It's just finger accuracy on touchscreen
light crystal
light crystal
waxen reef
With the CV update is Amagi > Nagato now?
I prefer having my loli fox, but I'm thinking reducing damage might be good
light crystal
I feel Nagato is still better. Flat buff to AVI dmg, Accuracy and Reload buffs as well. Added benefit of Barrage for VG busting too.
waxen reef
I'm still running foxes (Kaga/Nagato/Akagi, Jintsu/Ayanami/Sendai) while I was leveling up some HMS BBs, but I guess the BB era is over now
storm jewel
FeelsBBadMan
waxen reef
I need to level up Shinano faster now me guesses. Wonder if her and Hiryuu META will be best CVs
candid sluice
Is golden helldiver just strictly better than the one we have right now?
rustic ridge
if new german cv will be good then maybe kms stops being a meme
candid sluice
Their frontline is also a problem
radiant brook
And their best frontline is PRoon/mainz/RooM
2/3 are PR and mainz requires tech points
candid sluice
Their best frontliners do absolutely nothing in pvp
Roon can’t ramp her reload and room is inconsistent
light crystal
Gotta see on Hienrich. Not expecting much for PvP, but who knows. No1 expected Noshiro to have been good, but ended up being so 
abstract cove
I've been having quite a lot of success with this fleet while attacking https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790648031757729812/791468909324271656/Screenshot_20201224_115427_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.jpg
Even against enemy sandy, I still win quite a lot of the time
crude mortar
thin cosmos
@waxen reef Amagi is quite bad vs CV she is good counter for BB
imo, beacon+oil is the best set. reload time is crazy important at CV vs CV(that's why IJN better cause of nagato reload buff). rudder is much better vsBB but now they can't see your CVs and it's not that good vsCV cause crash damage is major damage for back line.
Also for all faction set, azuma has no replacement. She has crazy hp with gun can attack 3 vanguard at once. Only option without her might be torpedo sets
radiant brook
And people still tell me that nugget isn't overpowered
Buffs 4/5 of the team, and 2 of them are hidden behind something and can yeet you if they get their airstrike off
Oh and one of them can launch another upon death
radiant brook
Is there a guaranteed way to stand a chance against nanoryuu without preload?
abstract cypress
use uss cv comp
sour oasis
Eldridge and Lusty back when?
thin cosmos
@radiant brook what is nugget?
radiant brook
Nugget = Nagato
IJN faction buffer
thin cosmos
@abstract cypress I really doubt akaga cause they lack damage vs really strong opponent
radiant brook
Not that Akaga can't deal dmg
But because if the opposite team can tank the strike, they are screwed
thin cosmos
yes with torpe it's good but they nerfed heavily with 2 new items
nagato has normal power as I think but there just so many good IJN ships
queen need upgrade and need more ships for france and german
+uss also need buffer
btw my goal is defeat opponent at defense
before conceal patch I could but after this patch I wonder I can
candid sluice
Akaga does negative damage
candid sluice
Yep those two completely cuck the foxes
light crystal
Please, just stop it. You should know better guys. Don't make her suffer any longer, stop putting her on Defense fleets. She's only being bullied
thin cosmos
All of us would know balti is not even close to any BB faction buffer
candid sluice
Perseus warkai in pvp is a meme
thin cosmos
I have an idea of testing FDG+Resul+Jean bart. If they can smash vanguard, they can win. enterprize instead of jean can be a solution too. if they can't, I can't see any good BB combo
mossy atlas
her buff to CV's is nice though
thin cosmos
quite a lot ships can give such amount of buff. Like graf or shinano. Nagato gives 20%damage+20%reload+20%accuracy. resul and queen, Bismarck also gives similar amount
elder crane
I wish Bismarck gave a similar amount lol
thin cosmos
if we calculate exatly only buff, queen>nagato>Rich>Bis yes but at least not that different compare to non flagship buffer
thin cosmos
I've tested eldritch and san diego and they are worse than privious combo
san diego can't stand long vs azuma and eldritch do almost nothing when the rainbow comes after air raid.
Tomorrow, I will test vs this player. He is my friend so I can know his item sets.
but yukikaze->suzutsuki is much better. Now I'm levelling her so soon can test her too
elder crane
The one I'm interested in is if JdA can work
first shield does eat Nagato/Azuma barrage, the question is if that's useful/enough to survive until 30 s maybe
Ykkz probably much less helpful now that Hiryuu/Shinano are untargetable early on, and she probably dies before her dred/heal are all that useful
elder crane
idk if 818 lands I swear she dies before Jun half the time
hmm
was about to say, if anything, Nagato barrage is positive so Jun dies before ykkz can get smacked by Azuma second barrage in that case
but that's an argument against JdA
gritty cove
Any pvp guilds I can afk in? 
thin cosmos
@elder crane what is jdA?
@elder crane about 818, is it that helpful? in 2CV+nagato, only nagato+vanguard can attack while slowed.
also placement has big impact on survival of yuki.
with shinano buff at center, she is very tanky.
my favorite plane picks are baracuda but 2other options should be tested. they can't win if they can't make different at killing vanguard. even when they can bring similar attack at back line, they will lose due to 1second late air raid
candid sluice
JdA is Jeanne d’Arc
thin cosmos
If so I would pick another tanky unit her protection has very low hp. 2second invincible is very good but would not helpful if it goes more than 10second which is almost 0 chance.
sour oasis
Lucky E always evaded crash damage right? Between her and Hiryu, they were the only two who could "avoid" crashing planes.
@gritty cove there's PvP guilds? (If you were on Avrora, my guild is always empty/filled with afk)
candid sluice
If so I would pick another tanky unit her protection has very low hp. 2second in...
She’s the counter against akaga since her skill procs when they launch and prevent dmg to vanguard
mossy atlas
anyone using mainz rn? ik she has really similar hp to seattle but med armor kinda says she could take more dmg from airstrikes
thin cosmos
@candid sluice yes she is but as I think akaga can't be tier1 so can't be major concern. I'm searching for vanguard can protect vanguard from shinano nagato hyrue
@mossy atlas medium armor is weaker to air strike
mossy atlas
rip
thin cosmos
alway problem is azuma..
but if you need just a back up vanguard which can absorb some amount, she might can be used cause she has good hp with damage reduction
the reason I picked suzu is she is IJN destroyer so can get buff from shinano and nagato
thin cosmos
that patch isn't yet in korean server alone... so I don't know
mossy atlas
oh
thin cosmos
btw is there a way to show video more than 1GB? I always take video and video needed to show how it goes not just the result or left hp
late heath
Upload it somewhere like YouTube then link it here?
cursive leaf
The one I'm interested in is if JdA can work
first shield does eat Nagato/Azuma ...
You're telling me yukikaze is less useful now the I finally got her yesterday? Wow
elder crane
Less useful =/= not optimal still
Esp since what was originally her main competition, Noshiro, is also less useful now
elder crane
Tigercat is better by a slight margin
Wasn't tigercat a bit slower idk I forget
But iirc it was Hornet is a bit faster but twice as expensive to get
So tigercat is much better value
Since 1st priority is wyvern anyways so not that many res to spare
And you still have gold DBs to make
thin cosmos
yukikaze isn't good as before but still quite good cause of her tanking. not much options are better than her
late heath
I’m thinking about replacing Yukikaze with Sandy now that there’s more planes lol
Sandy/Seattle
thin cosmos
I already tested sandy and she is worse than yuki
very strong against air raid but can't stand against vanguard fire
seattle would be little better but would not much different
elder crane
Yep Azuma or Nagato are main issues for a lot of vanguard who would be resistant to airstrikes
thin cosmos
so something strong enough as at least roon or san lui needed
light crystal
You're telling me yukikaze is less useful now the I finally got her yesterday? W...
She works perfectly well for me. Gotta remember Bluerendar is the same guy that likes 818, but also says they're too RNG so can't make up his mind
elder crane
Literally very clear on that
818 amazing on defense since it half the time means you have good shot to kill their vanguard and therefore maybe win the match
818 shit on offense since half the time all you do is make sure Hiryuu final counter doesn't counter anything well
light crystal
I rather have 818 and its Slow, than Cuda and more crash damage
elder crane
No cuda, you take ryuus obviously smh
light crystal
Ryusei on my Hiryuu. Very cute,
You realize if u lose the VG fight with ur CV's it's pretty much GG's aight
elder crane
That's why you just don't lose 
elder crane
It was possible to make a team that consistently wins vanguard fight even if smacked by 818
light crystal
I plan to run Wyvern on Shinano
thin cosmos
818 is much better to kill vanguard but slower
light crystal
Wyvern/GoldHD/Ryusei on Shinano, Sea-Hornet/GoldHE/818 on Hiryuu.
elder crane
The main issue is half the time it whiff and then all you have is shitty cuda on Hiryuu
When Ryuu is better than cuda anyways
light crystal
But Ryuu would miss more on VG
Which is worse
So I don't get it why you would actively want to rely on even MORE RNG
To hit VG with
elder crane
You pop their FC earlier when you win/nuke their Shinano harder if your FC goes off first
You don't rely on it hitting at all
light crystal
Still doesn't square with me. But again, w/e you do on your Attack is ultimately up to u lol
Doesn't stop me from questioning it ofc
elder crane
It's like torpmemes vs torpmemes
Where torpmemes offense overall a bit better vs nontorpmemes before WNT
But the mirror is cancer since just torp RNG
And standard team offense does better vs torps defense lol (even before WNT/DCP)
Shinanoyuu is actually better off since it has almost no competition as the offense team except for the mirror
light crystal
I feel my current setup is the most rounded against everything rn: Akaga resurgences, triple BB's trying to snipe VG, triple CV, and 2BB1CV. Against mirrors, i.e., 2CV/1BB, usually fine.
elder crane
Hence why I actually run microphones
Anything not the mirror was almost a joke
Well, is a joke now with stealth it seems
light crystal
Nagato buffs Hit to be good enough. I dont see why I want to lose Beacon or JetFuel for some more hit and lol25AA.
elder crane
Foxes seem like so far they still aren't that close to getting past Jun Azuma
And if they can't do that then RIP
30 hitis actually surprisingly impactful
I tried dropping for beacon on a slightly diff setup and their vanguard noticably took less dmg and died later
light crystal
elder crane
The AA is good for mirror too since it's like -7% aviation dmg
And technically probably also -7% plane AA dmg taken by your own planes
light crystal
If I wasn't a collector for rare junk, I'd have done this long ago 
elder crane
Rn I'm running avgas mic though
Since stealth means you don't really need rudder anymore
thin cosmos
hmm what is topic now, I can't follow
elder crane
Nagato Shinano Hiryuu equipment setup
thin cosmos
oil+beacon would be best
thin cosmos
15 hit=nealy 7% buff
elder crane
It's +30 hit at +10
light crystal
NGL, it is a bit scary not running rudder/beaver on CVL. On the cases where u need to tank BB shelling cuz of battle dragging on longer than 40s for w/e reason, or stray torps connecting, the extra EVA would help. Still, have opted for Jet Fuel for the increase dmg and utility for now. In the end, gotta go with wut's more consistent, as the BB threat is minimal, and torps are RNG as ever, and WNT helps with that anyway
light crystal
Hmm. I feel they might. I dunno
Hasn't fucked me yet, but sometimes I do feel they sorta track.
elder crane
What would even be able to threaten w shelling now
You'd need to run a CV to spot before
Well, before 40 s basically lol
light crystal
Fires, their VG crossing the Blue line alot cuz of RNG, etc etc
elder crane
And even then only percy will spot before like 15 s
Fire is only 1/3 bar
And vanguard at most adds around that pretty much
Stealth is all or nothing anyways, so
20 s is enough for Shinano to mess up any BB team anyways
And Hiryuu with FC is unlikely to not get three strikes off
thin cosmos
did you guys test in real?
light crystal
As it doesn't regenerate, u'd be surprised how RNG can cuck u out of Stealth. I haven't seen it been consistent issue, but still RNG will do its thing
thin cosmos
there's a lot of situation, so test would be needed
elder crane
Yeah, even with FdG barrage fire and vanguard spending some time, Shinano only spotted at 20 s by nonCV team at earliest (when she launches strike)
And without warkai barrage basically, which you need Percy for, she can't be focused down before first launch even without +eva
Same for Hiryuu, which means Hiryuu gets off min 3 launches
And ofc you can only focus one
Maybe if you run 818 that's not enough dmg but with just 2 strikes when vanguard is dead, Ryuusei Hiryuu esp with double offensive/semioffensive aux can easily nuke that kind of 3 BB from fairly high HP
thin cosmos
alright I've tested 3BB and seems almost 0 chance
now uploading on google drive
and if 3BB can't be a one of meta, nagato+shinano+hyrue would be single tier1 cause it's very strong vs 3CV
totally mirror with same item set
thin cosmos
they can but can't also due to luck
which means chance to lose
I don't have richy so I used nagato instead but quite no chance it was
FDG HE shell not go vanguard but concealed CV
candid sluice
Do those reveal CVs or na
late heath
Can richy and jb do that
For attack, Richie JB with sword fish Perseus
mint hornet
the barrage itself doesn't, but fires from them would. Such as richie's burn
thin cosmos
well perseus can reveal but very low deal
so hard to win even unconcealed
and as I think perseus attack slower than their first attack
air raid has some delay
timing
candid sluice
For attack, Richie JB with sword fish Perseus
Yeah something like this is what I’m going for
thin cosmos
slow nearly 4:55 but first shot is before that and targeting of 2nd shot near 4:55
candid sluice
Is there a way you could sync something like formi’s freeze with Bb shelling?
thin cosmos
formi?
thin cosmos
there are 2types of slow from air craft
1kind is slowed only if hitted
1kind is slowed when launch
candid sluice
Ye and if u could sync that with BB shelling and nuke vanguard
late heath
When launching an Airstrike: 50% (80%) chance to reduce the Speed of all enemies to 0 for 0.5 (1.5) seconds. After that, enemy ships will regain their Speed during the next 2.5 seconds. This skill always activates on the first airstrike of each battle. Would work really well in a 3 CV fleet if you can sync it
candid sluice
I know it works with triple CV but I want to see if two BBs beside it can do better
If going against triple CVs with formi + double BB
thin cosmos
problem is you can't boost CV reload without heavy damage lose
candid sluice
Delete opp vang and push your vang to their triple cv backline
thin cosmos
and basically they are slower than 406 twin
candid sluice
I mean BBs are gonna be doing the bulk of the dmg
late heath
If Ryuusei and Shinano is managed to get full damage on vanguard, you basically delete them
late heath
Yea
late heath
And you might delete them so hard that you can also damage backline lol
candid sluice
Yeah please do test
Sync to where formidable skill procs before shinano launches her double ryuusei
Just give formi a beacon that should do it
mossy atlas
Tigercat is better by a slight margin
it is faster? i thought sea hornet was the faster one
candid sluice
it is faster? i thought sea hornet was the faster one
I forgot which one exactly I’ll take a look in a sec
And apparently one is cheaper than the other to craft
mossy atlas
oh that def does make some difference
candid sluice
Yeah so it costs more to craft sea hornet because it requires another golden plane (seafire) which costs more golden mats and prints
From crafting menu it shows tigercat with lower reload but idk abt the +10 or +13 variants
light crystal
Wyvern is not here yet. Also I wonder if Skypirate may have its uses, cuz of the 4 torps. Might make it an interesting alternative to a Cuda on my Shinano 🤔
candid sluice
Only time will tell
thin cosmos
ok finally I tested that freeze combo
detailed item set can be fixed. I just focused on sync
snow snow
Wyvern is not here yet. Also I wonder if Skypirate may have its uses, cuz of the...
the crash dmg is trash so prob no
light crystal
Who cares about Crash Dmg. I care about killing the VG.
If you can basically snipe the VG faster than the other guy, crash damage becomes less relevant.
mossy atlas
i like those 7 guns
its like as if you made the pirate squad corsair on another slot
i may consider putting it on essex
thin cosmos
about that freeze combo, formi only was totally not enough
torpedo needed quite a lot time (3~4second) freeze
so both cento+swordfish nececerry
mossy atlas
even with avgas?
thin cosmos
you are not catching the point
mossy atlas
so like even with avgas where the planes can reach the enemy vanguard sooner and drop the torps quicker it wont likely hit the enemy vanguard because they regain their speed and such right
thin cosmos
the point is time between torp launch and hit the target
not time between launch and hit
targeting is made when launch torp not plane
thin cosmos
shinano+akaga
nagato+akaga
basically most of CV combos showed quite good performance different with my expectation
and even in mirror match, about 20% of retreat rate very high compare to before 2pvp patches(4items,CV conceal)
light crystal
I'm just thinking, if the current PoW always worked this way, WASD would've been relevant for much longer