So Nagato remains relatively unscathed
#pvp
light crystal
light crystal
Yes, sadly
Still, Lead ship is the one that tends to take the most torp dmg anyway
granite flame
Would make to much sense for devs to make a item that fixes torpedo cancer I guess
light crystal
So not the end of the world
granite flame
And true I just throw torp Bulge on lead ship
light crystal
Gotta see how well it fares against sweaty torp Defenses in average, but Manjuu/Bulge on Lead Juneau + Nagato using Nelson Flags + WNT should hold up.
storm jewel
damn its a pretty good juneau item then
stalling for 8s help other 2 vg and fuck up airstrikes bombing
prime panther
can anyone confirm that the new pvp auxs are working?
storm jewel
@light crystal who you use beaver on in your current fleet?
round tide
light crystal
Oh. Beaver/VH Hiryuu, Rudder/Beacon Shinano. Juneau Manjuu/Bulge, Azuma Heels/Gyro, YKKZ Pyoko/Rudder (Pyoko mostly for memes, but hey its working).
slender atlas
amagi or fdg better to snipe with warkai?
elder crane
Symmetric effect technically supposed to be even, but it weakens anything preloaded and makes for more consistent victory for better team (usually the offense team due to offense advantage)
Also some interactions with additive stacking
In any case, even just the +20 eva +30 hit statline is extremely good for any main fleet ship, especially CVs
Nagato CV dmg boost for example is additive stacking with it, which means it becomes an even stronger boost
silent ocean
hey blue have you messed around with muse fleet in pvp?
elder crane
Why?
silent ocean
mean was wonderin how much an akagi muse could do with muse buffs and the new pvp item
elder crane
But why
light crystal
But fun
elder crane
Resetting very fun yes
granite flame
resetting very painful
slender atlas
what actually front tier medal does? it say increase own 10% dmg and decrease own 10% dmg, it mean nothing happen? ( except it increase enemy CV dmg and reduce enemy BB dmg)
elder crane
what actually front tier medal does? it say increase own 10% dmg and decrease ow...
It boosts CV/L dmg on both sides and reduces BB/C dmg on both sides
Notably, this is additive stacking with other dmg mods, like the basic -20% dmg penalty on almost all main fleet units in PvP
this means that, if no other effects, it's actually a +12.5%/-12.5% relative to the dmg dealt if you're not running it
light crystal
Too much for muh bren. Can u just said if it's good or bad, or don't really change much lol
light crystal
Well, at a glance, it's an equipment meant to easier enable u to run full CV backline, cuz it nerfs all BB dmg while buffing all CV dmg. The main issue is full CV backline is a bit iffy, cuz not only squishy, cant really support fire against enemy VG, nor defend themselves if ur VG goes down.
elder crane
additionally the issue with 3 CV was never the dmg output or being able to out-trade BBs
Once they get to their strike, the good setups nuke stuff pretty well
the issue is getting to that point before torps/BBarragers ruin things, especially since as Excield says, 3CV has almost 0 way of dealing with a vanguard in their face
which means that imo the -15% dmg for all of WNT aux is actually better, even for CV
it also has the better set of stat bonuses too, +20 eva +30 hit is great
light crystal
Well, too bad u can't equip WNT and FM at once, cuz both require to be on Flagship, but they can't be equipped on the same ship at once
Would've been interesting. Imagine running Shinano, with Hiryuu/Souryuu combo lol
elder crane
Anyways my opinion on FM is
"oh hey thanks fren for buffing my Shinano/hiryuu for me"
light crystal
Do u put Shinano/Hiryuu on FS? 🤔
elder crane
Nagato comp, so uh, no
Nagato buff is really good under WNT scenario due to additive stacking
light crystal
But FM can only be equipped on CV's, and on FS only....
But if have Nagato middle, how the fuck do u use FM lol
elder crane
yeah and I don't use FM, I'm saying it's nice of the other team to use FM to buff mine
elder crane
exactly
and you underestimate ppl being bad
anyways idk if I'll even spend the aux plates on that 
I have enough gold catas already
light crystal
I feel u need both WNT and FM to cancel out the demerits and open up the full CV meta experience
I imagine they specifically wanted to avoid CV cancer lol
elder crane
for 3CV? yeah, I think so too, but maybe there's some way of making that work now
but for now I'll just be taking Shinano/Hiryuu from 65% mod to 85% mod for +30% dmg relative to no-Nagato
and accuracy buff
light crystal
We went from BB meta, to pseudo-torp meta, to almost full CV meta. Full circle. Would've been an adventure
elder crane
Enty on defense could be interesting due to lucky-E also additively stacking
she ofc doesn't want FM since it barely buffs her at all
light crystal
I feel that unless a strong USN BB FS faction booster, like Iowa/MO comes out, Enty will be relegated to exotic comps, or meme
elder crane
I don't really see how to build around her, but maybe it works
yeah that's the issue
what do you use around her
light crystal
Make Merica Great Again, release the Iowa/MO, bring back Enterprise, the original cancer of PvP 
leaden solar
expectation: juneau become tank for 8s
fact:
light crystal
Torp Meme? Bah. Just bring the fight to them, with your BB at the front. 
round tide
light crystal
There is a weakness of using WNT, and that is overall slower fights in the long run, due to the nature of the effect. So gotta be a bit more mindful about the clock with the sandbagging into the last second 
midnight heron
i can see def using it during rush hour to slow ppl down lul
light crystal
Hmm, I never cared much about speedy games (Never even used Akaga when had them all ready even). But I value is consistency and the lack of needing to reset 
elder crane
Needing to reset screws rushing more than taking potentially a bit longer in matches, the latter of which is easier to plan around
jovial sedge
Huh those new items ingame already?
Fitlhy zoo azuma
But the 10% cv item is not there
ornate river
do the new items make ships that can heal more prevalent at all?
ornate river
what about old backline comps like wash/sd/enty?
snow snow
afaik thats still pretty dead
candid sluice
Didn’t the hiryuu aux have a weird effect with jun where martyr would pop before she actually sunk?
snow snow
tho you could maybe pull off some interesting things with the dmg reduction and such
that's what got patched
martyr pops after the 8 sec now
candid sluice
Ahh nice nice
So how exactly do these new items affect pvp? I haven’t gotten the chance to use em yet
snow snow
well basically
you can't insta-proc juneau with torp fleets anymore
and she'll heal any dmg the preloads did once she sinks after
if she even gets sunk by the preloads anymore lol
candid sluice
Dang so torpmemes got shafted
I always love seeing jun get deleted by torps in the first three secs of a match
What about the cv and dmg reduction aux? Those seem kinda wack
snow snow
the CV aux can only be equipped by CVs which makes it pretty dead
the dmg reduction is pog tho
makes it so juneau might actually survive the preloads
candid sluice
What would be a fleet that could benefit from using these aux?
I mean it’s worth using just for the stat bonuses too right
snow snow
it basically just brings back the old juneau,ykk,azuma/noshiro comps
yeah the stats are pretty pog
snow snow
still BB
maybe if they rework the CV medal it'll change but rn backline meta prob won't change
light crystal
Running typical Namagi/Hiryuu, Juneau/Azu/YKKZ on Def now, and swapping Shin in for Amagi on Attack. Easy to do cuz of my current gear set up. As for the typical Def, it's reinforced by the fact of running WNT/Nelson on Nagato, and Manjuu on Juneau, to be extra turtle, while still pumping steady dmg on a dragged battle.
sour oasis
martyr pops after the 8 sec now
Whaaaa. That's... Kinda broken.
midnight heron
tried manjuu on juneau it delays her heal too long lul
turns out martyr only procs when the aux sinks her
by the time it procs my nagatoot already ded kek
storm jewel
after the patch its a sad juneau
the whole vanguard already dropped and 50% backlines but juneau still alive
light crystal
Yeah, might swap out Bulge and just put Manjuu/Pearls on her, instead of Bulge/Manjuu. Gonna see 🤔
crude mortar
rrrrrusher
storm jewel
sour oasis
the whole vanguard already dropped and 50% backlines but juneau still alive
What's killing your backline?
storm jewel
their backline 
their vanguard cant kill mine cuz juneau still alive running like mad lad around
rich escarp
Anyone else feel bad for Juneau for always getting beaten up and sacrificed?
sour oasis
their vanguard cant kill mine cuz juneau still alive running like mad lad around
Their backline should be aiming half their shots at your vanguard. Invest in evasion auxiliary for your main fleet?
storm jewel
Their backline should be aiming half their shots at your vanguard. Invest in eva...
i did, and it doesnt happen often, its just a case when juneau staying alive for too long makes it sound bad
midnight heron
also tried nelson's pennant and it definitely doesnt do well with manjuu juneau
it makes it more likely nagatoot dies while the heal gets delayed till kingdom come
light crystal
Try out Juneau lead, Manju/Tears. Like, if u need a heal no matter wut for ur Nagato sooner than 15s~ into a battle, u might need to rethink ur setup imo
midnight heron
??? the problem isnt 15s bruh naga can last till 20 but juneau tends to heal way later than dat
keep in mind not every enemy u fite uses torpmeme
my juneau is there to heal the burst dmg dat comes from airstrikes etc so if it gets delayed too much my naga is ded
pennant extends dis duration by leaving jun with more hp AND leaves naga with lower hp than normal at the 20s mark so its detrimental af
not to mention if u dont run bulge on jun, naga takes even more shared dmg
the setup just doesnt make any sense
light crystal
Hmmm. I haven't had any problems so far. And I've been using Namamagi/Hiryuu, and Nagato/Shin/Hiryu, and it works fine. Well, it worked perfect on release day
I wanna get more data from today onwards tho, see if I have any issues
storm jewel
juneau with tear+manju seem to be best
stay well alive until almost good moment to proc the heal
not dying in 8 sec plus like 8 more sec if not facing torp meme
into around 15+ secs is perfect
light crystal
If you're using Tear/Manjuu on Juneau, just make sure you're not using Nelson Flag on Flagship BB, while also running Noshiro on top, as that does make Juneau too tankey. I guess you do need to strike a balance on just how tankey your Juneau is (Note: I'm not using Noshiro)
storm jewel
im using nosh in middle and yuki leftmost
work pretty solid and heal very on time when fleet around 70-80%hp
thats with standard opponents
i assume it work well on torp meme too cuz that manju is just there to ruin them torps
edgy sparrow
is this good?
candid sluice
Which cvs are able to take flag?
waxen frigate
maybe shinano 
uncut agate
it says flag, not cv flag tho 
upper cove
but it can only be equipped by cvs probably
uncut agate
Oh
frail orbit
Only usable for CVs
sacred heath
I gave it to my ranger flagship for my meme fleet
frail orbit
And CVLs
If yer too big brane, Hiryuu flag just to annoy peeps
And 2 walls on left and right
sour oasis
Damn it i just want to be in the top 1k!
You're close and it's just week 1. Don't lose (even if it means fighting someone not on the far left) and you'll get there.
crude mortar
candid sluice
naive dome
low effort sandbagging is just doing pvp 15 minutes before exercise recover instead of 15 minutes after
stable dawn
Did they ninja nerf Juneau + Manjuu combo?
Seems like it only procs healing when juneau sinks now instead of when she takes lethal damage
candid sluice
well the budget hiryuu item just got patched
Ye that’s what they did here
Wouldn’t really call it a nerf tho
midnight heron
working as intended kek
royal oyster
you're about 80 points below where you should be even with no bonuses. before you worry about sandbagging you should try to not drop/lose so many attempts
somber axle
EZ top 1k
candid sluice
Smh just live in a timezone where exercise resets aren’t 3 am 
proper sorrel
moving to a new timezone just so you can do pvp more effectively sounds 🧠
storm jewel
seeing yukikaze tryhard keeping hiryuu out of death door then boom a mid-match heal from juneau out of 8s is nice
hiryuu finish the match but then realize its a testing match and u fighting lower rank opponent
candid sluice
tough dirge
zzz waiting 10h for someone to rank bc you got him before and he just skips his attempts. ok
candid sluice
🛫
light crystal
I'm beginning to think that it's rather difficult using Manjuu/Nelson post-change. Not that I'm needing to reset to win, but Heal is coming in a bit later than I would like, yes 
I'll try swapping Nelson out and keeping Manjuu in for now.
crude mortar
what nelson rofl
candid sluice
Nelson flag
somber axle
It only absorbs 1 slot in vanguard right? Not as good as I had hoped.
late heath
crude mortar
late heath
candid sluice
light crystal
I wonder how good Manjuu is on Eldridge, maybe she can make a comeback in some specialized comp 🤔
midnight heron
she needs to take dmg to work, and manjuu makes her invulnerable so lul
mortal idol
Is it bad to use both reppu avgas on nanoryuu?
light crystal
Sot it's not like Zara that any hit will proc the Skill then
proper sorrel
@mortal idol that's the ideal setup
light crystal
How about putting Manjuu on Sodak while running alongside WA? 
Fuck, we need Iowa/Mo to come out asap, to make WASD Great Again. Imagine that Wall that can tank and potentially deal damage thanks to a FS Iowa/Mo
mortal idol
I’m also trying something dumb by having hiryuu flagship with the new cv aux and it has been working so far
While using Nanoryuu against a warkai, should I have Shinano tank snipes?
If so, should I swap avgas for VH plate?
candid sluice
Shinano seems to me able to take warkai shots pretty well
mortal idol
without vh plate needed?
storm jewel
would be a waste
rudder+beacon for ryuusei/rudder+avgas for crash
she can take at least 2 snipes from defending warkai (idk about 457 or not tho) and after the first salvo snipe juneau could already proc her heal
i saw beacon+avgas plus 818 before but i guess the guy used it to support azuma frontline idk
sour oasis
she needs to take dmg to work, and manjuu makes her invulnerable so lul
She just needs to get hit.. after her start-up cool wears off. Manjuu & Nelson flag helps keep her alive to see that day. Illustrious activates shield, Jeanne d'Arc activates shield... And hopefully RNG takes care of the rest.
But that's a huge weight to rely on Eldo as an anchor
🎰
midnight heron
yea but im talking about manjuu effects
those you listed are shields that can be dmged
being invulnerable = you dont take dmg
unless you mean to say within that 8s you're gonna get a shield AND get hit
naive dome
what ship is manjuu?
lime rivet
what ship is manjuu?
what do you mean?
naive dome
I'll try swapping Nelson out and keeping Manjuu in for now.
like this one
oh nvm he meant the aux.
I thought he was using the nickname of some ships
jovial sedge
When you want to casully do pvp but then
Etc
And all zoo filth : / its hard this pvp its like self torture
light crystal
That named his Azuma same as mine 
somber axle
That jun isn't even oathed, easy win.
naive dome
imagine oathing juneau just to torture people in pvp
candid sluice
Just play on amagi server smh
midnight heron
its funny how the only fleet that managed to even make me reset is a hms fleet with full ap shell backline
which didnt target vg at all
jovial sedge
How can full hms survive that even kek
Dunno i dont run filth ijn so those fights are hard... And its even stupid as u got that 20% buff
Amagi with yukikaze most broken bs
Word can express my rage sigh
candid sluice
Welcome to ijn meta 🔫
midnight heron
omae wa mou shindeiru
jovial sedge
Nai
Ill fight my destiny
With hard work adn effiort
Fitlhy overpriced gacha genshin
Those devs are full shit of cancer
Anyway haloist what team was that hms?... Anyway how can they ignore vg... As fat as i saw first shots go always to vg
hollow maple
You are complaining here but those guys are still earning more than most games with that system 
jovial sedge
And how that contradicts what i wrote
Their income tho will go down
Anyway i want to know thst hms secret....
hollow maple
I mean if it works, it works sadly that's how greedy world is rn
jovial sedge
I paid too but it was an early craze.. wont pay anymore.... I didnt get even the characters I wanted ... Stuck with somth i dont want to use and looking sadly on the mona's ass art everywhere and ingame and such
And i believe rightly thats how they got money so fast but people wont pay anymore seeing how bad it is
light crystal
Well, using Juneau can let u get away with most comps, so there's that. I used Richy/Jeanne, with Juneau/YKKZ and Amagi, and it worked just fine for me for 4+ months lol
lime rivet
@jovial sedge @hollow maple Please note that this channel has strict on-topic rules. Thanks.
slender atlas
🐧juneau so OP, put her lv98 and it help me to kill these hyryu shinano meta.lol
before that, i use noshiro max all and still fail often
naive dome
people talk about ykkz amagi without bringing up shinano ?
candid sluice
midnight heron
shinaNO
jovial sedge
illustirous disgust
but to that >< others can talk stuff : / off topic but I get warned this justice
golden fable
You were warned for using slurs. Though regardless, also keep this channel on-topic.
buoyant parrot
does anyone have the latest Tier List with new gears for Exercise in CN?
west ibex
Better use steam or oil tank for CV? Or use both?
vestal ferry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/782682088234287104/Screenshot_20201129-195653.jpg Stealing a point off from phoenixF cutting the reset close, whew 
elder crane
@west ibex
Use rudder + either drop tank or beacon
Alternatively can use the event equipment with +15 Eva +25 hit
+Evasion vs shelling/torps/bombs is very powerful when low on evasion
Just that's almost never useful in PvE, only in PvP will you see everyone running rudder on every main fleet ship usually
That and +hit is a lot more valuable when enemy has a lot of eva
Compare PvE where taihou 13-4 just has 75 eva while the average player CL has almost 150
hot creek
time to swap back to tryhard defense fleet 
olive yarrow
Oh hello there
tawdry juniper
is the washington treaty worth using?
crude mortar
very
hot creek
I dont see the point
like, I guess it might help you if you have issues against torp teams but meh
crude mortar
you just didn't do math
its too good
defend fleet had -20% penalty
you use flag
you had 15% penalty defense fleet 35% penalty
midnight heron
it doesnt rly benefit u if u using all out dps fleets
why waste more time when u can win faster
or if things go south reset earlier
crude mortar
elder crane
@crude mortar
Not how it works, offense has 20% extra dred which is multiplicative stacking with anything else, sadly
@hot creek
20 eva 30 hit is excellent stats, so on that alone it's worth
Also as you've noted it takes the current meta defense torp team and makes the preload worse off than before black oxy, and with semaphore and maybe Juneau+DCP means you don't need Noshiro or even Torpbulge anymore
Offense wants to minimize RNG, and RNG is less in a longer fight, so damage debuff is good
If you're using anything w dmg buff, that's additive, so they're less affected (Warkai, Nagato CV boost, Enty)
upper cove
enty's buff isn't even the same category as the attacker bonus
elder crane
@crude mortar
Again, attacker bonus is having extra 20% damage reduction. Normal damage reduction all stacks multiplicatively, completely separate from damage boosts
crude mortar
why cant it 35%
wait
does cv pendant
stack addictive or mult
with 20% penalty
on enemy bb
fast ember
Devs really love juneau cancer meta eh. Torp/dps comp is now pretty much dead.
They HAD to introduce not 1,not 2,but 3 fcking items simultaneously to destroy torp/dps comp lol
crude mortar
its just hidden msg of "stop using torp on defense"
true vale
Me, who took a break when torp meme was on the rise. 
Kinda happy about it though. Gotta be honest, I was too lazy to farm the black dildos, so I'm still stuck with the classic.
Which, apparently it's fine again now? 🤔
elder crane
@crude mortar
It is additive with the penalty, so both side main fleet will do 65% dmg mod if no other skill effects
Hence why Nagato will take IJN CV from 65% to 85%, Warkai takes first barrage to, erm, I think it's 65% to 185%? And Enty lucky E takes her to 165%
elder crane
No
Can you
Pls
Stop being EN
And read
Again, attacker bonus is having extra 20% damage reduction. Normal damage reduction all stacks multiplicatively, completely separate from damage boosts
There's no defense penalty ffs
And it's a completely different mechanic than dmg mod
crude mortar
but its en server
isn't it normal for en player to be bad at reading english?
does -15% ship dmg from threaty
stack addictiv ely
with 20% bb penalty?
storm jewel
so confusing dame dame
light crystal
I don't really get it myself, all I know WNT nerfs everyone's damage, which is a good thing overall as it tends to favor steady damage dealers instead rather than burst damage dealers 
tawdry juniper
sooo, are washington treaty, eagle union elite damage control and nelson´s pennant of victory worth using? if so in ofense or defense?
crude mortar
all of them are worth using if you know how to use them properly
tawdry juniper
can damage control work in juneau or it does not activate martyr?
crude mortar
it work
matyr work after jun sink after 8s
but your backline might dying before juneu sink
sacred heath
rodney flag + wnt + noshiro + damage control on juneau = juneau last man standing
sacred heath
sacred heath
petty antagonism
alpine summit
elder crane
with 20% bb penalty?
It is additive with the penalty, so both side main fleet will do 65% dmg mod if no other skill effects
Hence why Nagato will take IJN CV from 65% to 85%, Warkai takes first barrage to, erm, I think it's 65% to 185%? And Enty lucky E takes her to 165%
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Why do I have to quote myself every 5 comments ffs 
elder crane
yukikaze refuse to die wtf
Yeah ykkz is a bitch to deal w in that team for some reason
I guess the nerf from WNT is coming into play
crude mortar
torp meme seems ded to me idk
wnt is like new player reset less and old player that know what to do dont reset at all
you should try jean d arc burn meme with wnt
i bet it gonna tilt many people hard
poor soul using wnt then got burn to death
elder crane
Torpmemes overall w WNT+semaphore looks like we don't even need torpbulge anymore
crude mortar
isn't burn meme getting better
elder crane
Also overall it seems Namano is now the best setup, Hiryuu doesn't seem to make the cut
crude mortar
since azuma and jean darc gonna live for forever
elder crane
Matches still aren't really long enough for burn memes to be that amazing
WNT means matches actually make it to 40 s now
crude mortar
yeah isn't burn meme better with that
it burn hard
fire
🔥
shh
nobody using fire supressor
they dont know how to switch equip
elder crane
Still isn't really enough time to work
Too RNG
If someone isn't burning by 5 s then
crude mortar
but if it is they tilting hard
elder crane
Not really
crude mortar
elder crane
If burns kinda almost mattered back when 1 min+ matches was standard
Then with sub 40 s it really doesn't that much
crude mortar
match 1min
elder crane
Almost mattered as in FE was almost as good as rudder, pretty much as good if vs nonwarkai 3 BB
elder crane
Idk at least for my team w all adjustments matches seem to only take <10 s more time
And that's with WNT and ykkz instead of Sirius
crude mortar
somebody will get cay'd
stall into next season
idk why they give eva and hit on treaty
throw sg radar to bin
or just use both radar and treaty!
stable dawn
so for namano do we run double ryuusei or actually use fighters?
elder crane
Before WNT meta had apparently actually been not even ryuus on slot 3, since barrage ryuus are enough and there was apparently too much overkill happening (ryuus aiming too much at one ship)
Either full crash or ryuus only on slot 1
But I think maybe with WNT everyone can rec ryuusei on slot 3 now, and fighter slot 1
Ofc you can still go full crash, which is either cuda or fighter in slot 1
elder crane
Fighter does crash dmg on intercept too
light crystal
Cuda helps killing the VG tho, and has high crash dmg too
light crystal
🤔
storm jewel
i dont have azuma ready to fill in this comp
so i took hiryuu out, swap in amagi and hope her barrage pierce thro the vanguard
abstract cypress
so we can only use 1 Naval Exercise Gear per fleet?
cant understand the wording
light crystal
If only we could put FM/WNT on same ship, that'd be gnarly. CV cancer meta would be interesting.
Shinano/Akaga, or Shinano/Bunnies.
Let's petition the Devs to make it happen. BB meta has had its stay for loner than a year now
candid sluice
I wanna try out shinanoakaga with the new aux
abstract cypress
so its the same fleet or same ship?
[Naval Exercise Gear; only 1 gear of this type will work if multiple are equipped]
candid sluice
Same fleet seems like
trail temple
Same fleet
light crystal
I only +10'd the Manjuu, WNT and Nelson. FM, I haven't touched.
trail temple
I haven't been able to test
light crystal
It was a mirror battle. Actually, at first I used Amagi instead of Shinano. I think I would've won, but I never like being at 1 HP on Final Counter with everyone else dead, and just the enemy alive (1 HP against a 1/4 Shinano, 1v1, oof). Switched back to Shinano, gets a better result.
slender atlas
which is meta team now after new aux release?
storm jewel
w/e with manju juneau in it
light crystal
Dont forget to use WNT too
candid sluice
When going against Hiryuu warkai using my own hiryuu warkai should I focus hiryuu or warkai with my wardog?
vestal ferry
@trail temple 
midnight heron
theres never a 1 size fit all answer lul
if enemy hiryuu is running full defense setup your warkai will be wasting shots on him
while enemy warkai snipes the shit outta u
but assuming mirror setups u can just snipe hiryuu ¯_(ツ)_/¯
leaden solar
i prefer snipe warkai, coz opponent get 20% dmg reduction
ezz win for your warkai
storm jewel
sometime u just want a good opponent like this lad here 
realize my noshiro+juneau is not good cuz nos delay the torp damage taken for too long, wish i had azuma ready to test azuma/juneau/yuki out
out of 10 matches got 1 badly beaten, 2~ barely win and 7 can say closed eyes
sweet venture
keen obsidian
What's the strategy to beat the enemies always in blue?
abstract cypress
use OP ship
light crystal
If I were to use this on YKKZ, would it change her Nation to Muse, and therefore disable the IJN buff from Nagato? Or still applies?
snow snow
muse isn't considered a faction, so she'd still get Nagato's buff
sour oasis
These items add a faction then replace iirc?
sour oasis
Akagi muse still syncs with Kaga? Muse doesn't get the early launch though?
storm jewel
so how does FDG burn barrage work in pvp
she shot the barrage then the burn applied with the damage/tick scaling with her fp ?
crude mortar
storm jewel
great
rich escarp
I have an amagi and a nagato, would Shinano or retrofit warspite be a better choice in the backline?
storm jewel
warspite is a no brain pick for attack, too stronk
sacred heath
either works. i used to use warkai, but have been playing with shinano lately and having good results
obviously not as fast to snipe an enemy backliner, of course.
rich escarp
yeah, I was just wonderin if having no carriers would gimp me or not
sacred heath
nah, triple BB has been (one of) the standard(s) for a while
elder crane
Akagi muse still syncs with Kaga? Muse doesn't get the early launch though?
Muse still gets -40% instead of -50%
elder crane
she shot the barrage then the burn applied with the damage/tick scaling with her...
It even ignores all damage reductions
Like the -20% BBs get and the -20% taken offense gets and the -15%/-10% from the new aux
Basically everything that doesn't specifically mention fires
storm jewel
It even ignores all damage reductions
Like the -20% BBs get and the -20% taken o...
so straight up raw fire
but only reduced by 15% by amagi
elder crane
If they run Amagi, yeah
storm jewel
i see, cuz i was wondering why the number of fire damage doesnt match the barrage damage, then it must be different
my shinano got 787 damage fron burn of pr3gun fdg (with amagi)
raw would be 900~
elder crane
Standard fire dmg scales with 60% of shell dmg before armor mods and all dmg buff/debuff
Minus ofc fire-specific ones
elder crane
No it uses the barrage shell
If from barrage
457 does burn a bit more though from the extra FP
storm jewel
ohh okk
frail orbit
Barrage burn is a bit of a meme anyway even on the likes of FDG
But hey
At least closest to Nugget without being derpy on 40% drug demerit smh keks
storm jewel
Barrage burn is a bit of a meme anyway even on the likes of FDG
why u said its a meme?
im curious
frail orbit
Less base dmg than a full shot of salvo, mind u
For HE shells that is
But then keks with burn meme smh
storm jewel
idk man, some guy told me its deadly so i come here to confirm
didnt event notice she has that burn at first
sour oasis
457 does burn a bit more though from the extra FP
Wasn't burn calculated as a % of mHP?
storm jewel
just looked back at my recorded matches
her burn is pepelaugh
aome reason a guy w triple ap has more burn than both 457 fdgs
elder crane
Wasn't burn calculated as a % of mHP?
You're mixing AL with WoWS
sour oasis
🧓
light crystal
I'm currently using Nagato/Shin/Hiryu, Juneau/Azuma/YKKZ. I find that YKKZ is indeed dying too soon for my liking, she doesn't feel to fare that well in CV meta. If I were to swap out YKKZ tho, who would be a good third wheel? Noshiro, perhaps? (More AA, and perhaps better tanking CV airstrikes).
Hmm, I wonder if FM can be used strategically: FM on Hiryuu/Shin middle, Amagi on side, Juneau(W.Manjuu)/Azuma/Noshiro. @elder crane Wut u think dude
storm jewel
did u try sandwich yuki in the middle 
azuma prolly not dying fast offtank
vestal ferry
trail temple
It can work, but keep in mind that the other side gets the benefits too. Not too much a problem when you're the attacker, but if you use this for your defence fleet, the attacker may get your boost while also being able to get a boost from Nagato
midnight heron
lul just fought someone using full burn comp and it proved me right
using wnt against such comps will make u lose the match
esp if using nanaryu comps cuz u wont be able to proc burn as much as them
trail temple
How many trials did you do?
elder crane
Why isn't that comp running WNT in the first place
There's no "using WNT" if they use it....
safe meteor
how do you have the equipment setup for vangaurds now?
Juneau with Manjuu and what other aux?
Pearl tears?
naive dome
what is WNT?
uncut agate
Washington Naval Treaty
naive dome
burn damage isn't affected by WNT or something ?
midnight heron
burn is affected by shell base and fp so i doubt it gets reduced
storm jewel
i fought with 3 FDG and their 457
all burns different
big difference
ranging from as low as ~650 to as high as 787~
but their shellings are the same around 2k no crit into shinano, 2.5k no crit into nagato ( thats 2 of them, the other i didnt look back yet)
dire stream
humble geyser
Double final counter when
elder crane
ranging from as low as ~650 to as high as 787~
Are you sure they're all FdG burns
HE BB guns overwrite FdG burn, that one just has CA priority thankfully
Which is good since proper BB gun burns are higher dmg, unlike Howe who sets BB priority fires with her barrage
elder crane
burn damage isn't affected by WNT or something ?
Burn dmg is not affected by anything that directly modifies dmg, unless specifically mentioned
storm jewel
im pretty sure cuz early match fdg will fire her fire barrage
only fdg can do that
all 3 different player with 457 fdg
early barrage around 4:50+
burns on shinano all different
and this one from a player with pr triple ap
much higher burn
~~prolly he use shells but cant tell ~~
sacred heath
no one said jintsuu isn't good for torpmeme anymore
sacred heath
we were just discussing jintsuu in gph
trail temple
I heard it from some guy called Drak
elder crane
I mean WNT did kinda mess with Noshiro Naga Jint torp comp
It's still good though, just probably fallen out of the very top
And i really dk if there's a better build that is still torpmemes
slender atlas
amagi with wst radar and 457 not doingmuch dmg as i expect .:/ usually around 10k each fight
light crystal
CV Cancer incoming
ancient skiff
torp cvs go brrr
crude mortar
berracuda still better cuz crash dmg
elder crane
Parallel TB is all about crash which no info on
It also seems to be ~0.3 s slower than even VT-18
light crystal
I expect that if it has more torps per plane, it'd be easier to clip VG ships
elder crane
VT-18 already represents like, what, 20% more dmg than cuda?
And the 180 less crash+noticably slower launch kills it
And this one launches even slower
I wonder if they'll implement steath mechanic in PvP, could be pretty interesting
next oxide
Noob here, is eldrige a good def pvp team?
elder crane
Not completely meme but defs not good
PvP defense doesn't really matter anyways
your ranking depends only on points gained on offense, and you have infinite retries (can exit PvP match with no penalty)
next oxide
Well I want to make them suffer or time them out xD
light crystal
U can make nasty/cancerous defense fleets that annoy ppl with lots of resets, yes :v
But u need to use Meta ships n shit, ofc
I am curious if the stats of +13 items will be available on PvP too. It seems the effects will be OS-only, or so I'm led to believe. I thought +13 equips were gonna be useable everywhere, PvE/Exercises included, not just OS
naive dome
you need to be very competitive for defense fleet to matter, as in, you're on people's list of sandbaggers
you want your defense fleets to stall the top pvper who do their pvp in the last 5 min and against whom you want to compete for every +1, not noobs who can't sandbag and will never be a threat to you.
meager valley
Ngl, Nagato is kind of shit now.
trail temple
Oh? Please explain
snow snow
if anything, she should be better now since the meta reverted to stats she actually buffs instead of torps
there's also her carrier dmg buff, which is more significant now with the dmg reduction/debuffing items
fringe plover
what about warkai tho? is she still relevant in current meta?
meager valley
The thing is Nagato doesn't have a use anymore. On defense, Nagato isn't the best anymore, its Amagi/Hiryuu/Shinano to stall the battles for as long as possible. With the new Manjuu and the Washinton naval treaty, comps like that can stall for a while and its absolute cancer. Shinano or Hiryuu have to take flagship now to use the carrier buff.
FDG is also good for defense.
lime rivet
Actually ran into a rather interesting Hiryuu/Shinano/Formidable defense with damecon on Juneau.
snow snow
ah right, I forgot having a marginally better option makes a ship shit
you can't use both the WNT and the CV badge in the same fleet, and its the WNT that kills torp meta and makes Juneau more cancer
for stalling purposes its even better, cause it reduces dmg from all sources by a larger amount
so like, between Amagi and Nagato
one adds another debuff, and one has buffs and a dmg increase that offset the debuffs
for Amagi, her first skill affects stats so like
it rlly isn't that significant
her fire dmg decrease isn't as useful anymore, since meta fleets use Shinano + Hiryuu, with the BB running a barrage or AP gun
so the threat of fire dmg is pretty much just from their barrage or like a twin 381 (Azuma can cause burn but it gets overwritten by burn from BBs) both of which have pretty 
burn dmg
which just leaves the 10% evasion rate
which is obv good but Nagato buffs accuracy by 20%, and increases Damage Dealt (this is important) by carriers by 20%
which is just a lot more significant imo
even for stalling purposes, cuz like
if you force them to reset, they've spent a lot more time now compared to like dragging a single battle out for a bit longer
FdG... I feel like I'd get like mobbed or smth if I say anything bad about her so
I'll leave that argument to someone else
marble reef
snow snow
elder crane
The thing is Nagato doesn't have a use anymore. On defense, Nagato isn't the bes...
Yeah, as was said, WNT is actually what you want for CV comps
One of the main issues with them was that torps and 457 and shit means that the match is almost over by the time thier first strike actually lands around 23 s in, and WNT works better vs that
It also has the better set of stats
Amagi vs Nagato is a question of what you're facing, I think
Amagi debuffs torps even more and more defensive buff vs BB team is nice (though you do lack fire DoT so idk if you want to drag out matches more)
Though I haven't had any issues with any BB-heavy team lately except Namaryuu or Namano
Nagato provides the stronger set of buff, especially vs other CV team
With -35% from both PvP modifier and WNT, Nagato boosts CV dmg from 65% to 85%, a 30% increase relative to no Nagato
And also further buffs hit and a bit of reload, and for Azuma and ykkz in vanguard too
meager valley
How does damage help me stall? 
elder crane
If they lose ships they can't do as much dmg
Also forcing more reset = stall
If you want to wall BB team tho, Amagi is I thinkfor sure better
meager valley
My opponent is going to be winning 100% of game with 5/6 ships surviving no matter what comp I use if they are a threat to my rush
Attacker advantage does wonders
elder crane
Lol
Nah
Set up a good defense team and you can still force occasional resets
There are no teams with 90% winrate vs all defense
Heck if you mean just literally worst matchup (assuming no replacing ships/equipment, repositioning is fine), 85% in the absolute worst matchup is probably only just barely possible
Ofc 90% of defense setups even in highest ranks are just trash relative to the best offense fleets, so it feels like you win almost 100%
But vs the others, you'd be surprised maybe if you did the testing
meager valley
I have done the testing
I haven't lost a match during my rush for the last 3 seasons
elder crane
Doesn't mean anything especially since you're supposed to be looking for weak teams to steamroll fast during a hard rush
I haven't needed to reset during any rush either even ignoring that
Well, minus the times I was testing out subpar teams
meager valley
Most of the teams I face during the rush are going to be identical since im on avrora so I save resets for when I get really high and need to match with someone below me.
magic crater
Does the new PVP gear work on defense fleets?
crude mortar
light crystal
The new TB's don't seem to be too viable for PvP. Mostly, on the grounds of lower Crash Damage to begin with... As you can see Blackburn having near identical stats, but 420 instead of Cuda's 480 Crash Damage. And then there's the Skyraider. 65% less crash damage than Cuda (168 instead of 480), almost 2s slower reload... While trying to offset with 4 torps per plane rather than 3. I feel it could maybe deal more reliable dmg to VG cuz of larger torp volume, but then you're gonna likely do less damage on backline cuz of the lower Crash Damage.
Pretty iffy all around. The new gold Helldiver is a straight up upgrade to the purple, at least (Higher Crash Damage, more Avi, more plane HP, and only slightly slower reload).
light crystal
Higher Crash Damage (200 instead of 180), and higher AVI. If in theory you can further enhance them to +13 over the +11 purple ones, that's another plus.
crude mortar
0.1s slower than normal hell driver?
I wish it doesn't had 0.1s slower reload than purple
light crystal
+13'ing stuff apparently buffs Coefficients and adds some effects or something, it's no longer straight buff in damage. And doing it on Planes is even harder, cuz their damage is mostly dictated in their loadout, not like guns, where you can just buff base shell DMG and/or coefficients. Other than buffing Crash Damage further, dunno how +13'ing stuff would be like for planes
So for PvP, it might not even be necessary to +13 your planes tbh, and guns/torps would be the priority over them. Well gotta wait n see I guess
midnight heron
keen obsidian
how do I know if the other dude has the new equips on? took a lot of resets but a JB and 3 sets of torp could oneshot entire vanguard
elder crane
It should pop up a skill tag at start of battle
trail temple
^
meager valley
Are you sure thats intended? From what I heard, the new CV mechanics aren't supposed to work in exercises.
Looks like spaghetti code to me
upper cove
I'm not sure where you heard that
but that's how it is right now in the beta
we'll see if it stays
meager valley
What I heard exactly is that the CV hiding system is operation siren only to replace ACV
Its safe enough to assume that that shouldn't work in exercises if ACV doesn't work either imo
midnight heron
nice man breaking the game
light crystal
imo, it should be a thing. Would make it mandatory to at least field one CV on your fleets lol
naive dome
what is preventing warspite shot in that bili video ?
upper cove
New opsiren mechanic
naive dome
does it stop BB shelling in general or just warspite's skill?
meager valley
I just was told that that mechanic is global for all game modes 
upper cove
Not enough info on it and it might just be a bug to begin with
meager valley
I thought it was a glitch at first but the enemy has a new UI around them so it might be intended
When you scroll over to the enemy, the heal bar changes too
light crystal
I mean, it's fine if it's a thing. Just bring at least one CV along. Namagi/BB is dead, so you'd have to improvise and be creative if you want to use something other than the same fleets. I say this is a good thing, it forces you to try new shit out. I hope it's a thing.
meager valley
I think this + the frontier medal + Washington naval treaty will make CVs too dominant. It depends on how the system works ig. There's no reason to use BBs anymore because the enemy wouldnt be reavealed until the first airstrike so your first salvo is wasted no matter what.
somber axle
Those are mutually exclusive.
light crystal
Sadly, FM and WNT cannot be used on the same ship at once, and they're required to be on FS. So yeah, maybe they did it like that in anticipation of the spotting mechanic making it into PvP. Would make sense tbh
light crystal
Heh, maybe this could be the comeback on the good ol Namagihyuga I used early last year
sour oasis
Richie's salvo looks different, but it is made up of the same normal shots as Nagato spread right?
meager valley
Those are mutually exclusive.
They aren't. If your opponent runs the naval treaty on defense and you run the frontier medal on offense, they stack.
somber axle
Sure, have fun controlling that. Don't @ me 👀
meager valley
??? A lot of fleets I have faced recently have it and this number is only gonna get bigger as more people get it. It stalls the battle for about a minute and its cancer. It's almost guaranteed that the enemy will have it on avrora lol.
elder crane
@sour oasis Nope it's its own thing
sour oasis
Too many things are their own thing. 
So Richie's barrage use modified normal bullets for damage or is it just damaging through burn?
elder crane
Modified HE actually
100/80/60 on large shots
Was about to say "isn't this on wiki?" but the wiki doesn't give full details on barrages lol
sour oasis
Yeah. Thanks blue.
keen obsidian
What does manjuu do? Mine requires a mlb Enterprise but I don’t have it
keen obsidian
Does that means owarida and that stack?
crude mortar
no
slender atlas
is noshiro skill stack with anti-torp aux?
upper cove
yes
slender atlas
is it reduce dmg of torpeido bomber from CV?
meager valley
It only reduces damage from things that scale damage with torpedo stat
CV Torps scale with AVI so it doesn't reduce the damage taken
leaden solar
no. u cant kick me like that
I have 2 attempt i have to do
granite flame
Y’all ever have torpedo cancer obliterate two backline ships at once
First time I’ve ever lost 2 back line ships at the startof the fight/5 seconds in
hot creek
nah, thats pretty unlucky.
granite flame
If only I had recorded it, took out my Amagi and Riche with first torp salvo, skunk jintsu and noshiro hurts
coral wren
Does NGA forum have a karma system like reddit ?
light crystal
Earlier today I found out that Nagato/Shin/Hiryuu mirrors that have their Hiryuu use an 818 will destroy your VG due to Slow, unless you happen to have an 818 yourself to also destroy theirs in turn as well to cancel out the blapping.
Also, I've been finding ppl keep using more and more CV's in general than full BB meta 🤔
somber axle
I'm still using bulin.
meager valley
Shinano and Hiryuu are just really good
Luckily Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu is really easy if you snipe Shinano because her damage reduction skill doesn't nerf barrages and no amagi means she melts.
uncut agate
Noshiro, Naganami, Jintsuu.
Jesus Juneau can counter it easily 
trail temple
Why have I never seen this comp before?
Is it like, a good comp? If it's good I should have definitely run into a few
upper cove
Are you at high ranks
trail temple
How high is high?
upper cove
Currently, top 500 I guess
uncut agate
If you're in Amagi, you won't see Noshiro anyway
trail temple
I guess rank 39 is high then
sour oasis
I expected this to go like Laurel and Hardy "who's on first".
elder crane
Earlier today I found out that Nagato/Shin/Hiryuu mirrors that have their Hiryuu...
Too bad fricken hitting 818 is so RNG aaaaaa
Fine for defense
Annoying af for offense when you miss 818 like half the time aaaaa
sour oasis
There's always the crash damage 
buoyant parrot
does anyone here have access to JP's OS Beta? Do the Aircraft Carrier hidden mechanics applies to Exercise?
crude mortar
*cn
elder crane
Currently it does apply in PvP, unknown if intended/will keep
rich escarp
Anyone ever go out into an exercise like "Alright! You all do your best! Except you, Juneau. I want you to do as horribly as possible. The rest of you feel free to aim for her too while you're out there."
ancient skiff
its more of a pain if she dies too early than what you want it to die at
light crystal
its more of a pain if she dies too early than what you want it to die at
Manjuu fixes that tho lmao
light crystal
Too bad *fricken hitting 818 is so RNG* aaaaaa
Fine for defense
Annoying af for ...
The thing tho, if enemy mirror backline uses 818 n u dont, ur fucked
hot creek
nah dude, cudas all day every day
light crystal
Have fun getting ur VG destroyed then 
light crystal
I don't think lead Manjuu Juneau is gonna save the other two from getting ass blasted by TB/DB's 
elder crane
She does though
Then heals back after
light crystal
And that's a detriment actually, cuz then while your Juneau might survive, the other two will be low HP, and will certainly be needing the heal that's now delayed
elder crane
Nah she eats a lot of the torps instead of the rest
light crystal
So it's better to avoid that with just using 818 yourself 
elder crane
I've rarely lost to not wiping vanguard enough, but I have a few times lost cause 818 Hiryuu FC doesn't do enough dmg after 818 misses
light crystal
Eh, I dunno. It works for me, but if u dont wanna use it it's on u
elder crane
It's an annoying team for defense but just too reliant on hitting 818 for offense
I personally find it better to take consistency
light crystal
Btw, stopped using VH on Hiryuu now. Was using it cuz of the perceived BB threat, but with more ppl using more CV's, it's really not as worth. Running Beacon/Beaver Hiryuu now.
elder crane
I always thought VH was a bit questionable, and was actively against it once torpmemes showed up
light crystal
Being Heavy rather than Medium also means taking more CV damage aight?
elder crane
Bombs and torps only
Suicide dmg remains the same
And since it bypasses eva, technically vs suicide VH > rudder since it at least provides a chunk of HP
light crystal
Yup, a detriment in CV meta.
elder crane
You take around +20% dmg for only +10% HP yea, vs CV bombs/torps
And evasion helps vs bombs/torps
Tbh I don't think it really matters much for CV vs CV, but given pretty much no benefit there, why risk taking torps
And ever since Shinano, FdG and/or warkai team is no longer toppest tier
And now we got WNT and soon (?) stealth mechanic too
light crystal
I feel Meta Hiryuu was made with Stealth mechanic in mind, with all those constant plane barrages lol
I forsee new Meta being Shinano, double Hiryuu once Stealth meta makes it in
elder crane
Too bad she's kinda shit anyways due to squish
Unless ships restealth fast, maaaaybe
upper cove
VH was always just the thing I put on hiryuu to help with tanking warspite, otherwise it didn't actually have a purpose imo
elder crane
Vs warkai it's not even that great unless you also run rudder or badge
Evasion gets you almost the same mileage basically
upper cove
ye rudder/VH
elder crane
It's mostly vs Amagi barrage back when that mattered
Since 70% vs 130% mod for heavy/med armor
upper cove
oh ya amagi barrage gets pretty fucked on heavy too
light crystal
I ran VH/Beaver on Hiryuu spcifically for WK. But they're seeing less use, and Hiryuu has Last Counter anyway, together with Manjuu Juneau and WNT, it's not as needed anymore
elder crane
Oh yeah WNT is for sure last nail in coffin
It basically boost eHP just as much
Anyways especially if you're facing CV team, pretty sure Meta Ryuu is kinda shit
Too squish
Unless there's more details on the stealth mechanic/any other PvP rebalance
Her dmg taken debuff is even at the wrong timeslot lol
Shinano is hard pressed to launch by 22 s in lol
And even Hiryuu won't have easy time hitting before 22 s
Though who knows, maybe stealth comes with reload buff
Actually, hmm
Is the design of that skill hinting that stealth has reload buff?
Also, I was testing some stuff on planes
Shinano 3 s barrage plane sadly gets instasniped
Also fighters are on CD at start so they don't scramble
Hiryuu 10 s barrage more often than not gets killed, but causes both sides to scramble fighters
Normal setup can't kill fighters
Adding Sandyret for Jun Sandy Azuma means you can usually kill 3 fighters, but more is sketch
Adding 2 dedicated AA vanguard to kill off (and not Guaranteed either) scrambled fighters to try to maintain stealth sounds sketch
Also maybe can force fighters through anyways with avgas
light crystal
So AA VG, and Barrage plane CV's the way of the future then. Me liking this. Time to dust off the Sandi for Peeveepee. Shame I don't have have the Cat Maid Dev 30.
elder crane
Nah I think the test invalidates AA vanguard as option tbh
Can only stop 1 CV from destealthing with AA VG, 2 is pretty much impossible?
And even if possible (and probably not very reliable) you'd need 2 AA ships so idk, do you drop Azuma or drop Juneau
Actually you need to drop Azuma period probably, Jun AA dmg is contributing
But 1 CV will be sketch if you do come across AA setup, so probably want 2 CVs
meager valley
Both of Meta Hiryuu's barrages do the same damage as Shinano's butterflies 
I gotta hope the datamined stats where only level one or something
light crystal
Well, hard to test* stuff atm, need to know how Stealth actually works in Live. We don't know how easy a CV gets detected, and how long it takes to become Unspotted again afterwards
elder crane
Yep, details on how stealth work and if there is any other rebalance
Meta Hiryuu just looks really dissapointing regardless
For PvP
meager valley
new izumo 
elder crane
Squish and dmg isn't even that good
Buff only will work if stealth comes with significant reload buff
Doesn't count as IJN for Shinano or Nagato buffs
light crystal
Do Stealthed CV's also get a Reload buff? I thought it was only damage that got buffed
elder crane
Who knoooows
But better hope they do if you want Meta Hiryuu to be actually good
Her dmg boost window is just a bit off with current situation
10-22 s, 30-42 s
meager valley
Also her swords likely stick around for 1-2s like most barrages
We're probably looking at closer to 11-23, 31-43 in practice so still shit
elder crane
Well I suppose the swords could travel slowly
Then maybe the window is actually right
23 s is doable for Hiryuu, probably
Shinano can barely launch before 23 s, much less hit
Especially without Nagato buff
meager valley
Centuar is cool
She can reveal enemies before a BB fires depending on gear and only gets -15% damage
2 Fighters is kind of bad though
meager valley
I mean 2 fighter slots
elder crane
Fighter slot is good thing though
For more destealth
meager valley
Did we get stats on destealth yet?
elder crane
Afaik no
meager valley
Torpedo bombers are still better for crash damage and dive bombers have better damage
Fighters just don't hold up in PvP
Its kind of funny that when I forgot to swap Shinano's fighters for torp bombers, she did hardly any damage and It took a lot of resets to win.
elder crane
Fighter crash if you add scrambles is actually fairly similar arguably
It's actually more base, but they do also take more AA fire
meager valley
Sorry im confused on what you mean. Torpedo bombers generally have 200-500 crash damage but fighters don't reach 200. HP is comparable.
elder crane
Fighters also do crash dmg when they intercept too
And can intercept every ~10s, though you won't reach that freq in practice, probably
elder crane
triggered
That stuuuupid time I spent almost 3 mins watching "OWARIDA" until my fighters chipped his Enty down
hot creek
shoulda just used HMS 
past egret
https://youtu.be/jetcQQRR6a4 despite being completely dead this season found another person using torp cancer 
managed to record this time
tis' funny watching my flagship get sunk in under 5 seconds of the match starting
fast ember
Pick your poison
buoyant parrot
Currently it does apply in PvP, unknown if intended/will keep
thanks
vestal ferry
The first one 
candid sluice
Reminder to rush if you’re going for EoS
royal oyster
@fathom drift what was your final score? I might have opened the leaderboard a little early
deep glacier
fathom drift
<@!294996966738493444> what was your final score? I might have opened the leader...
2585, i was out of refresh before the reset
royal oyster
I stole the win at the last minute. that's how it goes i guess
trail temple
A yeet is a yeet
royal oyster
here's lexington if anyone's curious
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749898857567223848/785400616372928542/Screenshot_20201206-225946.png
trail temple
#rip avrora
royal oyster
rip discord
vestal ferry
And Sandy with the usual phoenixF at first place
trail temple
I know how you feel
edgy sparrow
Where should I put Juneau? Frontline or midline?
edgy sparrow
-_-
keen obsidian
tfw 3rd fight in and I get matched with a 15k fleet
delicate egret
Where should I put Juneau? Frontline or midline?
ideally frontline bc you dont want her to live right?
knotty raft
how does beat Amagi/Nagato/Shinano + Azuma/Noshiro/Yukikaze?? First time in my life I had to reset for like half an hour straight
I always flub Amagi/Azuma whoops
uncut agate
what are you using?
knotty raft
I tried a few different comps, Monarch/Warspite/Formidable + Noshiro/Juneau/Yukikaze did the best of them
with warspite aimed at Amagi ofc
uncut agate
might be a equipment problem, I can beat that with a weaker team in 1 or 2 tries
uncut agate
gotta wait for the experts to answer 
edgy sparrow
ideally frontline bc you dont want her to live right?
wdym
knotty raft
Juneau dying first is generally preferable, so putting her front of vanguard facilitates that
but if she overheals when you do that, middle or back is better
I tried a rudder on Formi too but double catapults did better
so like, a few suboptimal picks but generally that shouldn't make or break this is my understanding? I've used this loadout vs. every other comp no issue so I'm mad confused.
I guess no FCRs either but I'm no boomer
Juneau always died first as well and got max heals off. Yukikaze always died second and before main fleet
knotty raft
coolguy
crude mortar
gl
crude mortar
using double steam cata in pvp
using toolbox over fe in pvp especially vs azuma
not using beaver on flagship vs nagato
also rudder on vg doesn't mean jack shit vs that comp
knotty raft
wow, you could've just said all that instead but also Capp already covered it without being a dick about it
chill the fuck out
asks question
gets flamed for no reason
dude ups the toxicity instead of actually helping
neat
uncut agate
delicate egret
crude mortar
delicate egret
humble geyser
iirc for CVs youd want aviation fuel to up your plane life
and pearl works much better on Juneau cause her skill goes with it
I run double cats on my hiryuu cause I use her in pve
delicate egret
do a pepega move and put her mid vg
knotty raft
I did, lol
delicate egret
knotty raft
Don't actually have fuels but if I need it to deal with this comp fine
delicate egret
well if juneau is overheal then you just need to take more damage 4head
problem solved
humble geyser
Juneau mid is usually the play so she doesnt die right off the bat
crude mortar
all I see is vg issue
crude mortar
tool box in pvp is stupid most of the time
delicate egret
put manju on juneau and make her main tank
make juneau the reverse martyr
delicate egret
storm jewel
crude mortar
@golden fable work time bois
storm jewel
delicate egret
🏅
late heath
*asks question*
*gets flamed for no reason*
*dude ups the toxicity instead of ac...
Expect edgy people with the mentality of a young teenager in the pvp ch lol
knotty raft
not a great attitude to have imo
hollow dawn
@crude mortar @knotty raft both of you stop
take it to DMs if you want
crude mortar
I didn't do anything he just blaming on me
delicate egret
who needs backread when you have online mods 
crude mortar
wdym
knotty raft
my DMs closed and I'm still tryna figure my situation out. Just letting a dude know I'm not gonna read messages from toxic people.
crude mortar
he just suddenly mad and take it personally
tough dirge
pvp moment
crude mortar
idk
humble geyser
tough dirge
against generic IJN fleet